Is Javier Milei a 'Doctrinaire Hayekian' and a Secret Reason Science Project?
Sohrab Ahmari denounces Argentina's new president as a faux populist. Good for Milei.

With critics like Sohrab Ahmari, the sourpuss cofounder of the conservative social democrat* journal Compact, Argentina's new president, Javier Milei, is looking better and better even before doing a damn thing.
Writing in The New Statesman, Ahmari bemoans "Maga's foolish embrace" of Milei, whom too many are mistaking for a real populist—you know, the sort of strongman who embodies the volk, punishes certain businessmen, rewards certain labor unions, appeals to tradition and hierarchy, and generally bosses people around. Indeed, even Donald Trump—whom Ahmari slags for doing "precious little to implement a more solidaristic agenda"—congratulated Milei.
Milei, clucks Ahmari, "rejects nearly everything 'Maga' populists in the United States, and analogue movements across the developed world, claim to stand for…. [He] is a doctrinaire Hayekian seemingly grown in a secret laboratory funded by the Koch brothers, with the editorial staff of Reason, the extremist libertarian magazine based in Washington, serving as the scientists."
That's flattering, really. Milei's perfidious agenda includes such horribles as reducing tariffs in a country that is battling 140 percent annual inflation and has seen poverty climb from 5 percent a decade ago to over 40 percent. Milei—who does indeed quote libertarian economists such as Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises, and Murray Rothbard—also wants to "dollarize" the economy as a way of hemming in an incompetent central bank and spendthrift government. This is bad, Ahmari says, because it "would leave the country without its own central bank and at the mercy of the US Federal Reserve System." Maybe, but such a complaint simply ignores the existing reality, which is beyond untenable.
Ahmari is aghast that Milei, who was called a "Trump-like radical" by The Washington Post, has said he supports markets for organs (which are always in short supply) and the use of cryptocurrencies that escape the state's machinations. Despite being a practicing Catholic, Milei has had sharp words for the Pope, Ahmari reminds us, calling Francis, a "son of a bitch preaching communism" and "the representative of evil on Earth." Though a surrogate spoke of severing ties with the Vatican, Milei has, says the National Catholic Reporter, walked back such comments after victory.
Whether Milei's agenda has any chance of being implemented, much less finding any success, is far from clear. As Arturo C. Porzecanski has written, his party holds just 37 seats in the House (out of 257) and a mere eight out of 72 in the Senate. Assuming he is able to take a figurative chainsaw to various agencies, it is uncertain whether his policies will yield quick and decisive results.
But Milei represents a break from Argentina's past, which for a century has been ruled by a series of left-wing and right-wing authoritarians who crush opposition and initiative in the name of the people they abuse.
That's a start, in and of itself. There are reasons to be worried about Milei, not least of which is his predilection to downplaying past governmental violence, but to the extent that he confounds proponents of "real" populism, he might just be exactly what his country needs.
CORRECTION: After publication, Sohrab Ahmari reached out to say: "I've repeatedly said I'm not a 'national conservative.' Nowhere in COMPACT's 'About Us' page or in our pages generally will you find celebration of national conservatism. And I've personally written numerous pieces on why I'm not a nationalist." The description of Compact has been adjusted.
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How do millennials on the Malvinas view him?
I remember when Reason published a lot of ‘what do millennials think’ articles. Nice homage.
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The Most Interesting Man in Latin America will be the article... kind of like the one they did on Rand Paul when he was cool for a few weeks.
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"He] is a doctrinaire Hayekian seemingly grown in a secret laboratory funded by the Koch brothers, with the editorial staff of Reason,"
Tell me you haven't read reason in a decade, without telling me you haven't read reason in a decade.
Yeah if he thinks Reason is an "extremist libertarian magazine" he might want to check out some of Sullum's screeds.
I agree. I particularly liked Ahmari inadvertently trashing the Fed, it's Milie Derangement Syndromd (MDS).
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I thought the last hope was in year 2258, the place Babylon 5
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Ahmari only opposes the Fed because they don’t issue his preferred currency of perpetual sack-cloth and ashes as penitence for Original Sin.
As for Ancient Astronaut visitors, those have no more archaeological or anthropological evidence than The Great Flood and Sodom and Gommorah or anything in The Holy Bible from Adam and Eve to David and Solomon.
Whether we live or die as a species is up to us and us alone.
Meteors, or nukes?
Two angels (or forward air controllers) show up and instruct Lot to leave quickly and not to look back. It sounds like a military operation to me.
I was gonna say, "Dude hasn't been around here much lately, has he?"
While he's likely to turn out to be a clown that'll be quietly sidelined by cooler heads in a year or two, he does get leftists agitated. Anything that annoys my enemies without damaging me has my support. I'll count that as a win.
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Got a cite for that?
Yeah. That guy doesn't even recognize the constitution unlike Biden.
The only way Biden recognizes the Constitution is if he’s using it instead of Depends.
I have bad news for you, he probably ISN'T a "faux populist".
I dunno if the "secret Reason science project" accusation has any merit, Nick, but there has been some speculation in the comments that he might be your own South American clone . . .
Either way, at least the "extremist libertarian" foundation is doing something worthwhile with my donations.
Actually Milei has done something.
BREAKING: Argentina’s new ‘Trump-like’ President Javier Milei keeps his promise and has announced that the Argentinian Ministry of Women, Gender, and Equality will close in 21 days.
https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status/1726804943343153610
If Trump is re-elected I hope he's more 'Milei-like' than he was during his first term.
Fine by me.
I’ll go with that.
Of course if Trump had done anything like that Gillespie would be screaming his head off about populist authoritarianism. But right now he's jazzed up because some guy actually acknowledged that Reason even exists and gave him an opportunity to warn us, once again, about that terrifying populism thing that's always lurking.
Of course if Trump had done anything like that Gillespie would be screaming his head off about populist authoritarianism.
The leftist caricature you cling to in your mind would do that, but The Jacket would likely give praise where praise is due.
Wait'll you hear about the caricature Trump voters are painted with.
They would be screaming culture wars.
Reason editors wake up screaming after nightmares of zombie like hoards of Republicans pouncing.
They had to close it. No one dared define what a woman is these days.
Beautiful.
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It is amazing watching the same people who despise the MC do everything they can to claim credit for Milei while having ignored his entire campaign.
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Well they endorsed Biden without bothering to read the Democratic party platform.
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Are you an AI that's been asked to post kooky responses? Nothing you say makes any sense, and your use of caps is almost surreal.
But, how could they possibly have found it? It was so deeply hidden from us that even crack investigative reporters couldn't suss it out.
You know from the Democrat's and Joe Biden's websites. Where nobody would ever think to look, I guess.
Reluctantly and strategically. To keep someone like Milei from staying in office.
"Is Javier Milei a 'Doctrinaire Hayekian' and a Secret Reason Science Project?
Catholic New Dealer* Sohrab Ahmari denounces Argentina's new president as a faux populist. Good for Milei."
Grandpa, the rest of Reason thinks he's a 'real' populist. Our era of Reason is over.
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With or without the National Congress, the President of Argentina almost certainly has the power to close government agencies and lay off their officials and employees. He certainly does have the authority to stop enforcing their regulations and stop operating their programs. If the National Congress of Argentina is anything like the Congress of the United States of America, they will make a lot of noise and do nothing constructive or obstructive in response.
Ahmari has a curious definition of populist. But the even more curious bit is what Gillespie seems to have inserted between Ahmari’s quotes Sounds an awful lot like Hugo Chavez or other Socialists that have gutted economies for their own personal gains.
So, he’s basically framing his entire criticism on the True Scotsman fallacy with his own rather ridiculous definition of those he deems the True Scotsmen here. Not that Ahmari isn’t doing the same, either through stupidity or willful ignorance, assuming anyone “embracing” Milei to be MAGA and assuming that that’s actually a thing… fuck man, True Scotsman or Strawman? Maybe hit a few more of the internet’s favorite logical fallacies while you’re at it, see if you can squeeze at least one into every 100 words.
Anyway, the “embrace” of this guy is pretty obviously cheering for anyone who doesn’t see the ever increasing stranglehold of overregulation as a good thing. Who at least hopes more economic and individual liberty is possible, and a good thing. Or a dozen other things, any one of which might make you think the incumbent party isn’t the one to vote for.
Is this shit done on purpose? I assume it is, just to brand everyone “Maga” to make sure Democrat voters know they’re evil. Or am I wrong? Do “journalists” like this dude really think anyone not Democrat is a uniform block with a single identity and political bent?
Most of these elections that we've seen over the last ~7 or 8 years is largely a reaction to the complete failure of the left-liberal globalists and managerialists to maintain any kind of social trust or order within their own countries, and subsuming everything to some grand utopian scheme hatched in the UN or at Davos by oligarchs and bureaucrats with a god complex, too many degrees, and too few brain cells.
I always assumed their grand plan was, specifically, to subvert social trust and order.
Sure feels that way. Like, you don't want to be a Soros conspiracy theorist, yet every time you turn around you see money pouring into organizations, campaigns, and anyplace else it can be used specifically to destroy social cohesion.
What's the grand plan? Like a fireman arsonist, burn it all down then run to us to save you? Other interlopers are definitely god complex types, hit it lucky at the right time where a startup makes them a billion, suddenly they're the one telling you how to live your life because you're too stupid to make your own decisions.
OK, just thinking out loud, or out type, I guess. Whatever, they've got to be so deeply up their own asses to genuinely believe that the "fuck you" response in these elections isn't a reaction to their own incessant meddling... whatever. It could be true. Rectal-cranial inversion disorder is a thing.
That's not really their intent; they very much believe, like Soros does, that you can stop prosecuting crimes by PeeOhhSees and society will maintain its previous trust and standard of living. Or that you can run a top-down green carbon reduction scheme without requiring India and China to reduce their own emissions. And the reason for that is because they see western society as an inherently sinful institution that only can be redeemed by their programs.
It's very much a religious belief system, but one in which man becomes his own god.
Libertarian Pilgrims Set Sail For Argentina In Search Of A Better Life
https://babylonbee.com/news/libertarian-pilgrims-set-sail-for-argentina-in-search-of-a-better-life
They leave with enough Argentinian currency to buy a house, and arrive with enough to buy lunch.
God I love the Bee.
https://babylonbee.com/news/president-that-just-gave-hamas-100-million-denounces-elon-musk-as-antisemite
Shit, apparently it's over already.
https://babylonbee.com/news/1-billion-argentinians-already-dead-after-libertarian-elected
1 billion dead? Its not over - they're just getting started.
the sort of strongman who embodies the volk,
This sort of so ought to be beneath Gillespie, but I guess he's continuing Reason's race to the bottom. It will make it fun listening to his next complaint left wingers engage in spurious slime tactics against libertarians though.
Odd how Reason is all over this right wing populist, but not so much over the right wing populist closer to home.
Yeah sure, it's the descriptions that are odious...
Ahmari makes this claim:
“[Milei] has also mused about setting up a market exchange for children; asked if parents should be allowed to sell their own kids, he replied, “It depends.””
I don’t know if this is true, but maybe Reason could rebut the claim if it’s false.
Also, I don’t know if Milei is a libertarian extremist, but establishment U. S. Republicans certainly aren’t – unless you listen to their rhetoric and ignore their actions, as Ahmari seems to do.
U. S. establishment “libertarianism” is “we get to do the stuff we want, while jacking up the national debt and regulating the &^%$ out of anyone who isn’t us.”
I think Hayek wouldn't get the nomination of the Mises Caucus (maybe Mises wouldn't either) – in the sense that Rothbard hated him for selling out. Hayek acknowledged the existence of economic as well as physical coercion, and he supported a version of social insurance.
The inherent contradiction of "do what thou wilt" is ultimately self-defeating because it inevitably assumes that anyone or anything that doesn't let them do what they feel like is inherently oppressive. That's why this subculture of pedophilia on the left is constantly trying to normalize their disgusting predatory behavior as a "marginalized" community.
"he supported a version of social insurance"
Correct. It is right in "The Road to Serfdom". The founder of Libertarian economics would not be considered a Libertarian today.
Reason used to publish a lot of 'what do millennials think' articles . Very nice tribute.
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There aren't very many Libertarians in Argentina, none of the governors or others in position of power are Libertarians. Milei talks a good game, but he is going to find it nearly impossible to pass any items on his agenda. We will see if he turns out like Reagan and Trump both who supported big and bigger government deregulation. People forget, it was Trump who gave America inflation. He started it all with his obscene Covid relief bill and all Pelosi did was keep it going.
This Argentinian writer points out that Milei's economic plan has already been tried in Argentina. Twice. With catastrophic results both times.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/25/argentina-milei-libertarian-agenda-history/
Oh, goody! charliehall offers a cite to a WaPo opinion piece as 'evidence'!
charliehall is an ignorant piece of work, ain't he?
"...People forget, it was Trump who gave America inflation..."
It seems TDS-addled shit-piles like this hope to be taken seriously.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
I'm surprised that Reason is even supportive of Milei. From what I see, he's not for open borders. Wikipedia says he supports deporting "Criminal immigrants". This is the kind of candidate the Mises LP would nominate. Any you look at it, Milei is a nationalist. But soon enough he'll get the Elon Musk treatment the minute he deviates from party platform.
Know this - Milei would not have won if Argentina's demographic was anything like America's. Whatever harsh treatment he received from leftists there would be a 100 times worse in America.
A nation cannot be libertarian if it imports millions of leftists from abroad. And the only chance an open border society would ever work is if libertarians ran the economy. Meaning no free money, controlled entitlement spending, market choices on healthcare, housing, education, etc.
White women, Marxist minorities, and the college crowd would have voted massively against Milei in America. MAGA would have voted mostly for Milei. And then Reason would have said "See he was too much of a populist". The lesson to be learned is on this side, not conservatives.
Just to be clear... you DON'T deny being a scientist in a Koch-built lab that's working to create doctrinaire Hayekian dictators?
Ahmari is quite thin-skinned. I made one mildly negative comment on one if his Milei tweets and he blocked me.
Reason 'extremist'?
Has this guy been around these parts in the last, I don't know, eight years or so?