The Contradictions of 'Queers for Palestine'
Gay and transgender people—both in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank—face an extraordinary level of persecution.

The Israel-Hamas war has made political allies out of some unusual bedfellows. Yet the strangest pairing on display thus far is probably "Queers for Palestine," most notably because those protesters would risk summary execution should they take their demonstration to the Gaza Strip.
The movement isn't new. But following the terrorist attacks launched against Israel by Hamas, the Palestinian group that controls Gaza, it has seen a sort of reemergence at various protests. "Queer rights! Trans rights!" protesters are heard chanting in a video taken in New York City. "We say no to genocide!"
That protesters appear to be blaming Israel for those attacks—which have included, among other things, Hamas militants murdering people, filming those acts, and putting the videos on social media for the victims' families and friends to see—is perverse. But to marry that cause to LGBT rights is simply unhinged from reality.
Indeed, gay and transgender people—both in Gaza and the West Bank—face an extraordinary level of persecution, persecution that may result in a yearslong prison sentence or even death.
In 2016, Hamas militants executed one of their own commanders, Mahmoud Ishtiwi, for allegedly having sex with another man. Ishtiwi's allegiance to the group was clear: Just two years prior, he had overseen 1,000 soldiers and an assortment of attack tunnels. But not even his loyalty could save him after they lodged accusations he had engaged in homosexual activity. Prior to executing him with three bullets to the chest, Hamas reportedly tortured him by whipping him, hanging him from a ceiling for hours, and cranking loud music into his cell in order to deprive him of sleep.
Last year, in the West Bank, 25-year-old Ahmed Abu Marhia's severed head was found on the side of the road after he was murdered for being gay. The killer videoed the execution and shared it on social media.
When it comes to "Queers for Palestine," what's richly ironic is that many LGBT Palestinians seek asylum in Israel—the same country these stateside protesters are rallying against.
At the heart of this contradiction is the tendency within social justice movements to pick a clear protagonist and antagonist, the oppressed and the oppressor, and to proceed from there in one-size-fits-all fashion. Some progressives decided long ago that Palestine is the former and Israel is the latter, which is the seed from which everything must grow. Palestine, then, stands not only for anti-colonialism but also LGBT rights and reproductive rights, despite that those rights, in any meaningful sense of the word, do not actually exist there.
Meanwhile, this orthodoxy requires that Israel symbolize a weed and everything that comes with it. The country, then, must typify genocide, regardless of the fact that it has been the victim of relentless terror attacks this month. And it has to represent a hostility toward minorities, including gay and transgender people, notwithstanding that it is one of the most tolerant societies for those very people.
To be sure, Israel's government isn't perfect. There are aspects of the Israel-Palestine debate, and the territorial disputes, that are more complex than many would probably like to admit. This aspect? Not so much, because "Queers for Palestine" is about as convincing as "minks for fur coats."
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Reality has never been a major consideration for the left.
Or the right. What could be more unhinged from reality than basing an entire nation's laws on a book of fiction translated and re-edited many times over three thousand years, believed by a religious cult to be the word of a supernatural being as transcribed during a probably schizophrenic hallucination?
Three thousand? But the Quran is less than 1400 years old. 😉
Al-Qu'ran cribs major portions of The Torah and The Holy Bible., including their shared anti-LGBTQ passages.
...except the New Testament, the relevant part for Christians, says to love the sinner even if you dislike the sin.
The Jews are committing genocide with our help while we turn a blind eye to their atrocities.
Why do we support a xenophobic apartheid stolen state threatening to use nukes it doesn’t admit to having?
The idea of Israel and our century of dealing with lying waste of skin Zionists has been nothing but trouble costing millions of lives for the Satan worshipping self proclaimed chosen people.
The constitution is based on the Bible? Get your head examined.
MWAocdoc doesn't name the nation. If it is the U.S., its Constitution prescribes the scope and limits of government actions and for the most part not the scope and limits of citizen actions (I'm aware of the possible exceptions.) Laws have accrued over the years in the U.S. and most western nations and it is difficult to see how the authors would find any basis for their construction in any religious text for most laws. Did Jesus really set the speed limit on roads? Do legislators even consult, say, the Code of Hammurabi, which is of non-religious origin?
So you’re saying that the wars on gays, people of color, witches, drugs, prostitution, gambling, alcohol, fornication, working on the sabbath and spitting on sidewalks were NOT based on a Judeo-Christian moral code with the excuse of someone's interpretation of the Judeo-Christian bible (mostly by right wingers)? Seriously?
Never-mind over half of your examples were from the LEFT not the right.
The other half are either stretched ( i.e. 'war on gays' = not seeing a Constitutional *entitlement* for a government issued status symbol??? ) or just down right LYING BS ( can't work on Sunday law? ). Vulgar is right; your head is not reasonable.
Vaguely. It was Christian theology that led to the Enlightenment, from which the basis for the Constitution was derived. I can admit that, even as someone who is firmly areligious.
The constitution exists in part to protect us from religion.
It does, and the Christian philosophical view that in some sense, all men were equal and had free will, was a contributor to the Enlightenment. Islam ("Submission") would not have come up with it.
Christianity holds that all humans are equally pieces of shit born sinners and suspended like spiders over the fires of Hell like in Jonathan Edwards' sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God."
The Enlightenment held that all humans were equal in their rights and dignity by virtue of their rational faculty and were not inherently evil. Totally opposite philosophical worldviews.
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Well, that's certainly one way to interpret history although most would disagree given the men who were the philosophical basis of the enlightenment.
One key fact is Christianity went through a major period of reformation, whereas Islam backslid into the middle ages.
The men of The Enlightenment came from a Christian society, of course, but rejected the fundamental tenets of Christianity. Hence, you can't really say that The Enlightenment came from Christianity, any more than you could say the light bulb came from the dark.
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Another thing: The Christian Reformation was about replacing the authority of a Pope with the authority of a Book. Islam was always about the authority of a Book which it claimed Muhammed transcribed from Archangel Jibril reciting the word of Allah. Hence, Islam was alway at the same state as Christianity was after Reformation. What he Islamic Ummqh needs is it's own Enlightenment.
It protects you from state based religion based on the political and religious history of Europe. It doesn't protect you from religion though. People are free to act in alignment with their beliefs.
People are indeed free to act on their religious beliefs. Have fun in Belfast though.
What's Belfast got to do with the US?
I’m thinking the founders had an idea about that.
A hundred years before The Troubles? Which was about Irish independence and nationalism, BTW, and not religion.
I think many of the Founders knew about Belfast, because many of them were descended from Ulster Protestants, especially Presbyterians. Fortunately, they showed themselves, in some cases, willing to move, for a time, away from the "Croppies Go Down" attitude.
"The constitution exists in part to protect us from religion."
No. It protects you from the state establishment of religion (Basically the Church of England), and with "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." it protects religious people from you.
This is middle school stuff.
“The constitution exists in part to protect us from religion.”
Sure it does! 51% of the voters are religious whack jobs who want to force their religion down our collective throats, using their votes, and the likes of Ron DeSatan? The constitution MIGHT help protect us from DeSatan, if the Legal High Priests will restrain themselves, meaning that the SCROTUS does NOT have too many religious whack jobs on it, wearing their Magical Vulture-Black Robes!
Actually it protects you from the federal government establishing a national church . Several states had a state church and could tax non members to support it. The last, Massachusetts abandoned its state support for Congregationalism in 1833.
And to protect religion, and everybody else, from the government.
It protects the rights of individuals, nor religious or any other ideas.
The constitution exists in part to protect us from religion.
And to protect religion from the government.
It didn't just lead to the Enlightenment. It was one of the ONLY things to emerge from the Dark Ages more or less unscathed and as meaningful to Western Culture, despite all the ruin and rot and death that touched virtually everything else.
Christian Theology led to The Enlightenment like a deadly Winter leads to fire-building. They are both anathema and occur together only because men thought, worked, and fought to make and sustain the fire.
The Enlightenment owes nothing to Christianity. You can get off your knees now.
Your blind hatred has made you an imbecile
It was Christian theology that led to the Enlightenment,
No, it was the Rennaisance and Scientific Revolution of the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries that led to the Enlightenment, often with the opposition of the Christian church (recall Galileo).
Exactly. And the civilization and culture that was reborn in the Renaissance were the best elements of Greco-Roman society, not Christianity.
LOL, yeah, Renaissance artists NEVER did any Christian-themed artwork.
I don’t think you really understand what it meant to do artwork in that time period. They were (majority if not all artists) commissioned by nobility or similarly wealthy people, perhaps even the church themselves. Artists have to eat, after all.
These people wanted artwork for a similar reason as rich people nowadays— to show off their status. Perhaps to show that they “understand something deep”— and showing their “piety” through commissioning an expensive Christianity-themed piece was one of many ways they could throw money at something called religion and make society (or at least themselves) think they were morally upright people for it.
And you also have to consider— just because the ideas of this period diverged from some fundamental Christian beliefs doesn’t mean that those creating those theories and artworks themselves weren’t Christian to a degree (if not because they just were, then because… well, you couldn’t casually go around declaring yourself not a Christian when the church ran so many things and expect nothing to change).
Lastly: the subject matter of art doesn’t really mean much. It could be that this is a time period where people realize that the Bible consists of… stories. Just like Greek and Roman mythology. Creating art inspired from a well known story doesn’t mean you literally, wholly believe in its principles as people who once created Christian artwork once did. I mean, your comment suggests that, for example, if the majority of artwork was Twilight (sorry, using it because many know of it) fanfiction and fanart, then Twilight was a pivotal influence on art styles, techniques, and a fundamental part of people’s beliefs in the 21st century. Just because something is used as the subject matter doesn’t mean it’s a “gotcha” moment. There are many reasons for choosing a subject. It’s not like Christianity as a concept disappeared from people’s lives overnight, because some people challenged parts of it. But the divergence from allowing Christianity to dictate every little thing about life for general society started to fall apart as early as then.
So no, artwork is not simply about the subject matter. It’s also about the technique— which I think is what the previous person meant by it being about the best elements of Greco-Roman society. They applied this technique to a different subject matter (in terms of art). They applied philosophical principles and structures to other forms. It wasn’t a complete elimination of Christianity, but a loosening of restrictions.
Absolutely nothing you wrote in this essay refuted what I wrote. In fact, it's mostly a bunch of red herrings, speculation, and false analogies.
Who was funding the arts and sciences and for what purpose?
Irrelevant. We don't owe them shit as far as allegiance to ideas.
LOL at not knowing the history of the Renaissance and scientific revolution!
Leonardo, Newton, Galileo, Shakespeare, Kant and literally EVERY figure from those periods/movements are rolling over in their graves laughing their asses off at your idiotic belief that Christian theology had nothing to do with their insights and discoveries.
often with the opposition of the Christian church (recall Galileo).
Yeah, that story didn't actually happen the way you think it did.
Galileo wasn't attack over science (though he frequently got himself kicked around for being ahead of what he could prove) he got in trouble for attacking the pope in public. Many of the foremost Natural Philosophers of that day (ie that era's scientists) were members of the Christian clergy.
No, it was the Rennaisance and Scientific Revolution of the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries that led to the Enlightenment, often with the opposition of the Christian church (recall Galileo).
If anything, Christian theology would be responsible for the Dark Ages.
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Such a stupid and ignorant point the dimwit thought he'd make it twice!
If anything, Christian theology would be responsible for the Dark Ages.
Well, that's the Gibbon thesis, but it doesn't fall in line with the studies done by Christopher Whickam in "The Inheritance of Rome."
Have you read Descartes by any chance? What would you say was the central fallacy of his work?
>It was Christian theology that led to the Enlightenment
Bit of a stretch. Christian theology was the driving motivation of the Crusades, but the enlightenment was due to the re-discovery of Greek and Roman philosophy by Crusaders.
-jcr
Obviously, he was talking about Israel and the Old Testament.
"translated and re-edited many times over three thousand years"
Oh no! They translated and re-edited it!
I swear, these fucking idiots expect us to believe something nominal is bad because they sound incensed when they say it?
"a book of fiction"
66 to 81 books depending on your denomination, actually. Spanning a period of as long as 1500 years, and covering law, poetry, philosophy, mythology and history. Some events like the Babylonian Captivity are archaeologically validated.
But please, don't let those facts interfere with your little rant.
"believed by a religious cult to be the word of a supernatural being as transcribed during a probably schizophrenic hallucination?"
Yeah, that's the Koran, not the Bible. Those awful Xtians actually believe that scripture was written and composed by men but inspired by God. It's Islam where they believe that Allah dictated the Koran.
It never fails to surprise me how ignorant anti-theists and Reddit-tier atheists are of the religious beliefs of the cultural milieu they were raised in.
Delusional behavior is delusional behavior. Doesn't matter if the delusion is that you belong to one of a hundred genders or that you belong to the one of hundreds of religions that has a real god. Either way you belong on medication and require therapy. Also basing government on either delusion is not a recipie for healthy law making.
You have a low IQ
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Who's delusional? The guy who doesn't know what the fuck he's ranting against, or everyone else?
Useless jackass.
That’s all you got? Personal insult? He’s right.
God COMMANDS us to kill EVERYONE!
Our that them thar VALUES of society outta come from that them thar HOLY BIBLE, and if ya read it right, it actually says that God wants us to KILL EVERYBODY!!! Follow me through now: No one is righteous, NONE (Romans 3:10). Therefore, ALL must have done at least one thing bad, since they’d be righteous, had they never done anything bad. Well, maybe they haven’t actually DONE evil, maybe they THOUGHT something bad (Matt. 5:28, thoughts can be sins). In any case, they must’ve broken SOME commandment, in thinking or acting, or else they'd be righteous. James 2:10 tells us that if we've broken ANY commandment, we broke them ALL. Now we can’t weasel out of this by saying that the New Testament has replaced the Old Testament, because Christ said that he’s come to fulfill the old law, not to destroy it (Matt. 5:17). So we MUST conclude that all are guilty of everything. And the Old Testament lists many capital offenses! There’s working on Sunday. There’s also making sacrifices to, or worshipping, the wrong God (Exodus 22:20, Deut. 17:2-5), or even showing contempt for the Lord’s priests or judges (Deut. 17:12). All are guilty of everything, including the capital offenses. OK, so now we’re finally there... God’s Word COMMANDS us such that we’ve got to kill EVERYBODY!!!
(I am still looking for that special exception clause for me & my friends & family… I am sure that I will find it soon!)
A curious statement since all government forms the world over grew out of religion. I suppose one can argue that communism and socialism stand in opposition to religion, but only because they trade religion for worship of men.
What IS religion, precisely, anyway?
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I think you're reversing cause and effect. Government grew out of plunder, and religion grew out of the plunderer's need to maintain their victims' obedience after becoming old and feeble and subject to revenge.
-jcr
So you’re saying that the bible thumpers are thumping 66 to 81 books all at once? Or could it be that the Nicaea Council handed them the approved interpretation for the next thirty generations to thump? Of course you have to ignore the Dead Sea Scrolls and the much more accurate translation we have now and pretend that the ecumenical movement wasn’t a cult with the inclusion of the Old Testament and later perversions in the Arab world and the cults that spawned … and on and on and on … but by all means ignore the meaning of my sarcastic though admittedly oversimplified post! I wasn’t trying to write a scholarly tract, just trying to heap scorn on a partisan anti-left comment.
So the part they said about “translated and re-edited many times over three thousand years” And your response: “Oh no! They translated and re-edited it!”
… you don’t seem to be getting the point. It’s not a crime to do any of that in itself. But have you ever done the old time-wasting joke of putting a phrase through Google Translate through many languages and then finally translating it back to your language, only to find out that it became something completely different from what you put in? It’s not a complete analogy, but it’s a simple way to get an idea of what can go wrong with translating and editing, over and over again.
In other words, the person who pointed this out likely meant that the Bible’s (and the Quran, and any large religion’s text, really) translations and edits over the years have more or less created something that is very different from what it was in the beginning.
Now, we have people who hang on to these books’ teachings word-by-word. When you consider the translating and editing, whose words are they holding onto? If they believe that the Bible (for example) is the word of God or this prophet or this saint or whoever, then what happens once it’s eventually translated and edited beyond recognition? Whose words are they hanging onto then?
Well, some arbitrary church guy who decided to change a few words to make it coherent. But he’s human, he can make mistakes. Maybe he changes the word “goat” to “pig” in the story because those aren’t really common in that area and people won’t know what a goat is (kind of the essence of localization, and a completely random example that may or may not have happened. I didn’t write the Bible, so don’t take my examples literally). Translate, edit, rinse, repeat. The text over the years becomes a patchwork of what it used to be.
So the many people who believe what these books say literally and analyze it down to the word— they look like fools. If they believe the general principles of a book, then that makes more sense, because those are more likely to have been consistent throughout history. But analyzing line three word one of this section? You think God picked and chose that word himself? No. It was another human being, who is as prone to mistakes as you are. You’re worshipping the words of another human.
That’s what’s wrong with literally believing books that have been translated and edited and warped over centuries, perhaps millennia. THAT is the “Oh no!!” This time, not as sarcastic as you meant it. And to say “but obviously people realize it”—- yeah, no. This guy I’m replying to had it fly over his head even when someone pointed out that it had been translated and edited. He didn’t understand the implications— or didn’t care to. The majority of people who obsessively believe in a book of any sort likely haven’t realized it either and will respond the same way, and will probably throw a fit and blame anyone who points out this incongruity.
Another idiot who thinks this about religion. It’s about land and power, as are almost all wars.
Yeah, Israel certainly has some choice land. It’s almost as good as Arizona.
Just because you don’t like Arizona doesn’t mean there isn’t someone willing to fight over it.
I mean, Gaza is essentially just a huge chunk of Mediterranean beaches. It could be a heck of a resort if the locals worked on that instead of the extermination of the Jews.
It used to be a resort. The same as Beirut.
The Paris of the Mideast. Before it got “decolonized”.
If you look at what Mexico has done on the Yucatan Peninsula over the last 20 years building a tourist economy, Gaza should be a prime destination. But Hamas squandered a golden opportunity because they pissed everything away on tunnels and missiles.
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See what we mean about reality having never been a major consideration of the Left?
You still think everyone - even a majority - of people 'on the Right' GAF about what it says in the Bible. Or the Torah. Or the Koran.
And also that you think these books are singular objects, written by a single person.
Or that they were originally written. The Old Testament was clearly based on oral tradition that only later were compiled into written form. That neither adds nor detracts from them being true or not. Many oral traditions have a high standard of accuracy.
Dead Sea Scrolls. Nuff said ...
No, I don’t think these “books” are singular objects. The Bible became a singular book through multiple opportunistic translations and several editorial revisions over more than a thousand years. The basis for the war on drugs, homosexuality, prostitution, alcohol, gambling, fornication, etc … etc … etc, were based on someone’s interpretation of “The Bible,” which is full of fiction, myths, legends, pornographic trash and hallucinations. “The Koran” likewise. I don’t know why I bother.
And yet the text is barely changed from the version found in the Dead Sea scrolls, 2,000 years later.
Our laws, including the current Constitution ate based upon the organizing principles contaoned in the Declaration of Independence.
Your may be ignorant but you certainly dont hide it.
The word "God" only appears once in the U.S. founding documents, in the first sentence of the Declaration - "Nature's God" - not the god of Abraham, not the god of Jesus, not the god of Muhammad, rather the god of nature.
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Adult-onset superstition is a pathetic affliction.
Choose reason*. Every time. Be an adult.
Or, at least, please try.
* This mockery is inapplicable to those 12 or younger, especially if the victim of childhood indoctrination by substandard, delusional parents who teach that fairy tales are true.
Sort of like the fairy tale that real communism has never been tried.
But Muhammad was alive circa 600 or so, not 3000 years ago.
Once retard status is achieved in any one area, it tends to distort all efforts at thinking.
“Once your faith persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life…. Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”—Voltaire
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The Contradictions of 'Queers for Palestine'
Speaking as an Atheist Libertarian Pansexual, I know which side my falafel balls and bagels are buttered on!
These suicidal Nihilistic assholes called Queers for Palestine do not speak for me! If they stand with Hamas, Hezbollah, and other Islamofascists , they can all get firebombed right next to Hamas for all I care!
Everything on the left is a contradiction.
This conjures visions of a "Jews for Hitler" rally. I'm of big supporter of "Native Americans for Columbus" and "Hindus for prime rib".
When will local chapters of "Capitalists for Communism," "Baptists for Drunkenness" and "Procrastinators Demand Immediate Action" be marching in our streets?
I’ve known a few baptists, and I think they’re there already.
That's why you always take two baptists (or mormons) with you on a fishing trip.
If you bring only one, he'll drink all your beer.
Indeed. The whole Baptist/Pentecostal/Evangelical mindset on alcohol is either Teatotaller or shit-faced-let-it-all-hang-out. To their credit, Jews and Catholics are much more sane on that subject.
In the small town I grew up in, they said that the liquor store had two doors for a reason:
The front door was for the Pentecostals and the back door was for the Baptists.
I thought that is what they meant by "baptized in the spirit".
That’s, um, something else entirely.
So, not gin?
You need to go to a black church.
Can't get in anymore due to all the secret service around Joe.
"So, not gin?"
In the Church of The Anti-VooDoo Doll, they say, "No pin, no gin!"
Capitalists are known for supporting communists, unfortunately. Russian bolsheviks were funded by some of the richest Russian capitalists in the 1900-s
"Capitalists for Communism."
At least, many of them support the neo version of Marxism. The version which lets them keep their money so long as they spend part of it on racist woke organizations and harass their white (including Jewish) employees.
There are plenty of suicidal Jews who are still Marxists. Don't forget that commies the world over, on Stalin's orders, supported Hitler until the day Barbarossa was launched.
-jcr
Because it's not about supporting those who might support you, it's about tearing down Western Civilization, of which Israel is a part, and Gaza is not (being as it is a part of Islamic Civilization).
The end.
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If it were about tearing down Western civilization, they'd be supporting Russia. Which many leftists do (leaders of Mexico and Brazil most notably, and South Africa) , but not so much in the US or Europe.
This is about white people. They consider Jews to be white, therefore they cannot be oppressed.
You're a moron
This falls under "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Israel is increasingly being supported by right-wing religious wingnuts here in the US, so many politically-minded (and mostly left-leaning) LGBTQs immediately take the other side. I'm not saying they're right (as a Libertarian - even though I'm gay myself, my position is that it's none of the US' business) but that's the mindset.
Sounds like a cult!
Sure the Muslims want us dead but the hoi polloi are so uncouth and obstinate.
This falls under “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
If it were that thoughtful, I'd give it a pass. But it's not. There's a no-shit actual belief that Islam is better for gays and women.
As Douglas Murray (gay as the day he was born) once said, "I'm less concerned with someone who doesn't want let me get married than I am about someone who wants to throw me off a building".
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. Nothing more.
Has nothing to do with enemies. Has everything to do with college indoctrination and unicultures. Why all the gays keep talking the same Marxist buzz words like colonization and apartheid.
Hamas will stop throwing gays off tall buildings soon - when they have no more tall buildings.
I think that part of it is also due to years and years of being told that colonialism is bad by teachers who forgot to say "...unless it's Israel."
"Siding with people who will kill me to own people I dislike" is quite the take.
And to think...some think college educated folks are mind-bogglingly stupid.
Living in a coddled abstract world will do that.
This “movement” is literally a Soros front group.
Clozapine prescription run out, I see.
Did it? You better order more, Pluggo. Your boss has been busy.
Oh, So That's Who Funded the Pro-Hamas 'Insurrectionists' on Capitol Hill
Fuck off MoLa, you lying cunt - calling me Pluggo rather than shrike is still lying.
And Townhall, right-wing fringe site and evident promoter of anti-Semitism, as evidence?
Since nobody knows who you are for sure, it’s not lying, it’s just an insult.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Actually I posted documentary evidence a while back on who I am as well as providing other evidence. So it's both an insult and a lie.
Your TED talk sucks.
Really? Post it again.
"And Townhall, right-wing fringe site"
So fucking what? It's all properly cited and the receipts are there and are as clear as day. Soros funded the protests.
"and evident promoter of anti-Semitism"
Alright you greasy piece-of-shit human smear shop, I'm not going to let this one go. Explain how Townhall, run by the very Jewish Dennis Prager promotes anti-Semitism.
Just one example.
Every time I think you couldn't possibly be more dishonest you prove me wrong.
"calling me Pluggo rather than shrike is still lying."
Then Jeff or DOL. You just didn't wriggle out of the ether in the past year, asshole. You make too many old references for that. You're definitely one of those sockpuppeting, fifty-centing fucks.
The opening line is the giveaway: "Pull back the curtain, and you'll invariably find that all roads lead to Soros."
This is one of the all-time classic anti-Semitic tropes.
And what a moron you are. You think having a Jew on board exempts you from anti-Semitism. Dennis Prager is an arrogant and dishonest right-wing clown who no doubt thinks like he's the right kind of Jew so he's in the clear - just as some left-wing Jews thought that they were OK in their left-wing groups until the last couple of weeks. He's a Court Jew.
And clearly you and the author of that piece think it right to call the Open Society Foundation left-wing and anti-capitalist, when the work it did in the ex-Soviet states was the very opposite - indeed, I think Soros was the only American billionaire to provide major support for democratic capitalist groups in the post USSR states.
Now fuck off to Stormfront.com. I'm sure you'll be welcome.
You think a reference to wizard of oz is an anti Semitic claim? Youre a fucking idiot shrike.
Soros has a long career of funding global discord. That is not anti Semitic. That is the fucking truth. People don’t attack him for being Jewish. He himself has attacked more jews than people who have attacked him for being Jewish. You can’t be this much an acolyte. Soros helped the fucking nazis for fucks sake.
He is attacked for his politics and who he fucking funds. He is the number one funder of democrats in the US. He funds so many groups that promote political discord such as BLM and such.
You hide behind false claims of any criticism of Soros is anti Semitic because youre a nazi worshipping piece of shit. The same problem shrike has.
And by the way shrike. This is the same rant you use as SPB. Your weird soros fetish is the tell.
"The opening line is the giveaway: “Pull back the curtain, and you’ll invariably find that all roads lead to Soros.”
This is one of the all-time classic anti-Semitic tropes."
Yes, Soros is ALL Jewish people. How silly for others to not notice. Soros IS Judaism.
Like it or not, he funds A LOT of left-wing groups with some rather loathsome aims.
He also assisted Nazis when he was younger, so there's that.
"And clearly you and the author of that piece think it right to call the Open Society Foundation left-wing and anti-capitalist, when the work it did in the ex-Soviet states was the very opposite"
Take up your beef with them.
Soros isn’t really Jewish, so being against Soros isn’t anti semitic. Being a democrat and supporting Soros is anti semitic, and racist in general.
Filth like you should stop commenting here.
You're the kind of person who brays about how criticism of Israel is not antisemitism all while claiming any critique of a massively influential global funder and his concerning aims is automatically antisemitism, aren't you?
The opening line is the giveaway: “Pull back the curtain, and you’ll invariably find that all roads lead to Soros.”
This is one of the all-time classic anti-Semitic tropes.
Fuckin' LOL--way to prove my point about the "anti-semite" strawman I made yesterday.
People would stop accusing you of being shriek if you didn't parrot his rhetoric every time his pro-criminal boo gets criticized.
Oh, fuck right off. Soros doesn't get a pass on the shit he pulls because you lefturd cunts toss of that knee-jerk "antisemitism" claim. Shove it up your collectivist ass.
-jcr
Indeed, gay and transgender people—both in Gaza and the West Bank—face an extraordinary level of persecution, persecution that may result in a yearslong prison sentence or even death.
While in the United States, both gay and transgender people face an essentially negative level of persecution, depending on how high up the victim stack they can claw.
Yup. They are an oppressed minority, until cops show up. Then they are white.
Yes!
Saying they face an "extraordinary level of persecution" implies they face an ordinary one elsewhere.
In the Western world they enjoy protections normal people do not.
What protections do gay people have that 'normal' (non-gay) people do not? They are allowed to marry now. I thought hetero people can do that too.
I don't think they 'enjoy protections' as much as they have a group of progressive sympathizers who like to virtue-signal.
https://revolver.news/2023/10/this-is-so-fishy-and-darren-beattie-is-all-over-it/
Furthermore, Vignarajah has close ties with the current administration and is ideally positioned to place pro-Hamas radicals in neighborhoods across the country. The Revolver piece continues:
See, this is conspiracy theorizing a bridge too far. We don't need to import and 'place' pro-Hamas radicals via our immigration system. We can grow them here right at home just fine.
While in the United States, both gay and transgender people face an essentially negative level of persecution,
Doesn't mean they're not victims of hate crimes.
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/hate-crime
Those cakes unbaked...
Murder is a crime. It isn't worse because the person who committed the crime hated the victim. Dead is dead. Same with the rest of the crimes. If a criminal is ambivalent to the person they beat up and rob is that better than if the criminal was emotional about the crime?
I hate you. Is that a crime? If not, do you wish it was?
The largest perpetrators of those hate crimes? Their drug dealers and their in groups. By far.
To be fair, isn’t that true of most violent crime statistics?
Probably. One of the reasons hate crimes are largely made up destinations without a difference.
While we're at it, what do these idiots think genocide is? Because, seriously, there were only 1.1 million Palestinians in 1967, and now there are 5.1 million (per UN estimates).
Its that 'open-air' prison they supposedly live in. Conditions are so horrible all they have energy for is fucking.
The open air prison that borders on Egypt?
Why don't the Egyptians let them out?
Because they know better.
Side discussion: Why is Biden bombing Syria today?
Because reasons.
Because our bases in Syria (yea, i know) have been getting rocked, and Israel reportedly started the invasion of Gaza a couple hours ago?
He thinks that's where Cornpop lives these day.
He is a mean dude.
Because Iranian proxies are attacking U.S. Forces, causing one death (albeit by heart attack)
Hey. That’s all it takes to be a victim of terrorism. See, for example, the people killed at the 1/6 ‘riot’.
She was shot.
Where in the USA is Syria located?
Can’t bomb Syria if you don’t know what a leppo is!
Cats for Dogs!
Fish for hooks and All-You-Can-Eat Fish Frydays!
Astronauts for hostile aliens!
Hmmm, ???? What else.
Because he's running a Chamberlainesque foreign policy, he's weak, he's a coward, and 2024.
And I do think he's a coward. From "don't kill bin laden" to the spy balloon to the ammo dump last night. Hit a barracks and leave a meal for the dogs.
Why is Biden bombing Syria today?
"Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up"
-- POTUS Barack Obama
For similar reasons as Trump had for waxing Soleimani, I'd guess. At least, that's what the US claimed.
Better question. Why do we have military bases in Syria?
And most other bases, too. Why?
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https://twitter.com/swunion_uk/status/1717612611452162488?t=82mGh-KYenffl8Cfxp8PyA&s=19
Our statement of solidarity with Palestine: [link]
I have it on good authority that the Palestinian authority is also uncomfortable with gratuitous sex in entertainment.
To support the Sex Worker's Union, here are a list of OnlyFans stars you can donate to.
We live in insane clown world. But that's what Marxist education does to people's brains.
I will gladly run my credit cards out to the stops to buy all of these people one way tickets to Gaza.
They can walk in front of the tanks.
I thought hookers had better sense.
We stand with our Jewish members and condemn antisemitism.
Then they close with From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free. Exactly what do they think that phrase means?
And they think they're the smart ones and educated. I've yet to hear any state how Israeli's are colonizers in their own native land. How gays can support a group that makes the Westboro Baptist Church look like a founding member of GLAAD. Now sex workers and feminists speaking on behalf of a group that makes Ralph Kramdon look like the perfect male partner for NOW. Wherever they got their education from they need to ask for their money back.
Whaddya think a statement like that runs? $100? $150?
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1718031496219377795?t=RCSp1Hf1yryHZA9VNVJyRA&s=19
Israeli Media is reporting that Thousands of Israeli Troops alongside Hundreds of Tanks and Armored Vehicles have entered the Northern Gaza Strip tonight near the City of Beit Hanoun with Heavy and Difficult Fighting against Terrorist Forces ongoing.
https://twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1717940542418399440?t=b3h5LYNT5MNzsZxhRdZv2A&s=19
The iconic faces of the 2023 zeitgeist
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Caring about the lives of people who might not like them? The horror!
If they, as people, think the Palestinians are some how morally superior to Isralies then let them say that and add their voices to that side without trying to use their sexual delusions as a taller podium to say the same thing. They may as well call themselves Homos for Homo Hate.
Maybe they really do hate themselves.
We're not talking about people who 'might not like them' though, are we?
First they came for the...
You fit somewhere in this spectrum moron. After Hamas kills all the Jews who do you think they'll go after next? Hitler killed twelve million people in his camps, only 6 million of those were Jews. Do you really think the Muslim fundamentalists are going to stop after they kill all the Jews? If so, you are a special kind of stupid.
So we're back to domino theory...
I could go far down that rabbit hole, but I'll just mention that they literally attacked the United States on 9/11 and it had little to do with how many Jews happened to be in the World Trade Center that day.
I'm just trying to figure out how the existence of Israel keeps Muslim fundamentalists from conquering western Europe or the US.
Sounds a lot like "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" which is a curious case to make when malice toward the US from mideast nations has always been predicated on either communism or support of Israel, Israel has done absolutely nothing to protect its "allies", we have been fighting them over there for 3 decades, and we're mass importing millions of Muslims and other 3rd worlders into our society with varying degrees (ranging from some to none whatsoever) of vetting.
"It is noble for Jews to support Nazis. It shows they care more"
Supporting people who want to kill you is, AT BEST, fucking idiotic.
The idea that anyone can manage to delude themselves that there is a morally superior side to this never ending dispute is disturbing enough.
Trying to get lower than cutting off babies heads. Cutting off their arms and legs in front of parents. Raping women until their pelvis break... is pretty damn hard.
Moral equivalency makes evil people feel justified. So you do you.
Israel are the good guys. Case closed.
Israel, the right-wing theocracy that engages in annexation, dispossession, collective punishment, and immoral brutality?
The country that by aligning with right-wingers is destined to lose American support, and learn about trying to operate without American political, military, and economic skirts to hide behind?
I hope Israel turns away from Likud's disgusting right-wing belligerence and superstition-laced government soon and completely -- or, if not, that America ditches the Israelis and Saudis simultaneously. No violent right-wing religious kook is better than any other.
the right-wing theocracy
LOL, Israel is the San Francisco of the Middle East. The fuck you think you're kidding, you slack-jawed, slope-foreheaded hicklib?
Maybe you can do us a favor and slag your fellow Democrats in Maine again.
I think Hamas made it patently clear who is the morally inferior side. Anyone who still supports them should search his or her soul and try to find whatever humanity is left there, and try to start over.
Forgive them, for they know nothing.
Oh, Israel is superior to Hamas morally, but still quite condemnable for its obvious war crimes.
Which war crimes?
Name them.
Sure. Starter for 10:
"During its assault, on Black Saturday, Hamas broke numerous laws of war, starting with its rocket fire into Israel, which made no attempt to discriminate between military and civilian targets, breaking article 13 of protocol II of the Geneva conventions. Its fighters murdered, tortured and raped, breaking common article 3 of the Geneva conventions and articles 27 and 32 of the fourth convention. They also engaged in pillage and terrorism (33, fourth convention) and the taking of hostages (34, fourth, and article 8 of the Rome statute). Hamas clearly intends to use these hostages as bargaining chips, exacerbating the crime.
Though this is harder to prove, these acts might have been motivated by genocidal intent, arguably also putting Hamas in breach of the genocide convention. Any of the people responsible who are captured should be tried for crimes against humanity.
In responding to this attack, Israel has also broken several laws of war. These crimes begin with the use of collective penalties against the people of Gaza (article 33 of the fourth convention and article 4 of protocol II). One aspect of this punishment appears to be the pattern of Israel’s bombing and shelling of Gaza. “The emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy,” a spokesperson for the Israel Defence Forces announced, which looks to me like stated intent to commit a war crime. The war crime in this case is the damage to property: article 50 of the first Geneva convention, article 51 of the second Geneva convention and article 147 of the fourth Geneva convention.
Many of the buildings hit, including numerous schools and health facilities, do not appear to qualify as military targets, despite Israeli claims that Hamas uses people as human shields. Such indiscriminate attacks contravene article 13, protocol II and article 53, fourth convention. The bombing of mosques breaks article 16 of protocol II.
Human Rights Watch claims that Israel has fired white phosphorus shells at Gaza and Lebanon in the course of its counterattack, although this has been denied. White phosphorus munitions can legally be used on battlefields to make smokescreens, mark targets or burn buildings, but it is considered an indiscriminate and terrible weapon, whose use in such cases might constitute a breach of the chemicals weapon convention.
'Bring my baby back home': mother of Hamas hostage pleads for her release – video
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'Bring my baby back home': mother of Hamas hostage pleads for her release – video
The Israeli government has admitted cutting off essential supplies to Gaza. On 9 October, the defence minister, Yoav Gallant, stated: “I ordered a full siege on the Gaza Strip. No power, no food, no gas – everything is closed.” This too looks like collective punishment. The energy minister, Israel Katz, appeared to confirm this when he wrote: “No electrical switch will be turned on, no water hydrant will be opened and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home.” The siege also appears to breach articles 55, 56 and 59 of the fourth convention and article 14 of protocol II, which protects “objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population”.
While the Israeli government could argue that instructing the people of Gaza City to leave is an attempt to protect them from bombardment, this directive might constitute a breach of article 17 of protocol II, forbidding the forced movement of civilians, and of article 49 of the fourth convention on deportations and evacuations. Again, to judge by the statements of some officials, in the siege and attacks on Gaza there could be evidence of genocidal intent. The current fighting, of course, takes place in the context of Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian land, and the many subsidiary crimes associated with it."
I know this is hard for certain types of people to understand, but their war crimes do not justify your war crimes.
Congratulations, you've managed to thoroughly demonstrate that you have no fucking idea what is or is not a war crime.
1) Collective punishment does not include the ordinary privations of war, it refers to judicial and quasi-judicial sanctions inflicted on unrelated civilians to try to control guerillas and saboteurs, as was common military practice in the 19th and first half of the 20th centuries.
2) There is no minimum accuracy requirement anywhere in the laws of war.
3) Any facility used by enemy forces is a legitimate target of war; the use of otherwise-prohibited targets for the sheltering of troops and war materiel is a war crime by the side using them as shelter, while the destruction of such is entirely lawful.
4) White phosphorous is an entirely legal weapon of war, despite decades of lies. It in particular is not banned by the Chemical Weapons Convention, to which Israel, in any case, is not a party.
5) Again, not collective punishment, ordinary privations of war.
6) Israel is not an Occupying Power in Gaza, which means a power actually occupying and exercising governmental (police and judicial) powers in a territory, and so articles 55, 56, and 59 of the Fourth Geneva Convention are completely and utterly irrelevant.
7) Israel, like the United States, India, Mexico, Turkey, etc. is not a party to the utter pile of shit that is Protocol II.
8) The claim that Israel illegally occupies a single square millimeter of "Palestinian land" is utter nonsense. The portions of the West Bank (not Gaza, Israel has not occupied Gaza since 2005) Israel occupies were lawfully taken in war.
Seriously, if that laundry list of nonsense is the best argument you have, you've managed to demonstrate that Israel is not committing any war crimes at all.
The rest of the world is damn grateful for #2 there - the US, Canada, and Western Europe are about the only nations that routinely even pay lip-service to 'precision guided' weapons and 'reducing civilian causalties.
Think the Russians, pushing bombs out the back of helicopters, care about that? The Chinese? Anyone in Africa?
Certainly no one in the ME *outside of Israel* cares about civilian casualties among the enemy population.
Hell, if #2 were a requirement then every country that has ever existed - especially the United States - has been committing war crimes all the way up until Desert Storm
Look, if they actually understood the things they were protesting, they wouldn't be protesting.
If they actually understood the way their brains worked, and what reality looks like, they would probably kill themselves.
Queers for Palestine?
Someone in the Palestine Marketing Department is taking cues from Bud Light
This has nothing to do with sexuality. This particular group of giblets (GBLTs) are hardcore leftists hell bent on destroying western civilization. And they're stupid enough to think they can settle up with the Islamists at the end.
They can settle up. In front of a wall, or on top of a building.
https://twitter.com/JacquiHeinrich/status/1718042624802640157?t=_HrbYx12NkAvwzN8sP6q8wLynn.
THREAD:
Per my conversations with two US officials, this is how we should understand the last 7 hours:
Today’s barrage of intensified Israeli strikes ahead of an imminent ground invasion - coupled with US calling again for a humanitarian pause - was a negotiating tool to push for hostage releases.
Basically, one last big push to get hostages out before ground invasion begins.
As of this AM, Israel’s plan was to send a division into Gaza as strikes intensified– beginning around noon eastern.
For the last several hours, Israel held off large-scale ground offensive, instead sending more limited force as US stepped up calls for pause to get hostages out.
This was designed to allow one last chance for Hamas to be convinced that now is the time to trade // seriously discuss concessions.
As of now, there is no progress on hostage discussions to announce.
That said, this time did allow for Israel to learn more about the environment, gather intel, as they prepare to do more.
I asked about ABC report that US/Israeli officials have indicated tonight’s ground incursion is not a large-scale offensive – and if that is an indication the pressure plan is working...
...The response didn’t directly answer the question, but I’m told Israel “has heard our concerns” – ie. about the need to take every possible step to mitigate civilian casualties.
The US continues to express support for humanitarian pauses if hostage releases would be successful.
I suggest that if hamass wants this war to end, they surrender.
Gaza must be resubjugated. There is no 2 state solution. And in the long run the pali's will be better off.
As the allies expected invasion of France draws closer, Sweden's call for an humanitarian pause is seen as a way....
Nah doesn't work.
The Palestinians could have stopped the invasion at any time, by rounding up Hamas and turning them over to Israel to face justice for their crimes. No decent person would want to be associated with Hamas after what they did.
Should be a rather simple process for the citizens of Gaza to "round up" the Hamas leaders and police and militias.
What the hell are they waiting for?!?
Except for the fact that the only armed people in Gaza are Hamassholes. Oops.
Like it or not, the only people who 1) can and 2) will destroy Hamas are the IDF. The Palestinians are helpless to even attempt it.
-jcr
There likely is no long term for Israel, because in the medium term America is going to withdraw its support for Israel's right-wing asshole government.
Most Americans -- especially educated, successful, younger, modern Americans -- do not support right-wing belligerence or superstition-laced government at home. Why would any sane person expect mainstream America to continue to subsidize that shit -- at great and varied cost -- anywhere else.
I hope Israel changes course quickly and comprehensively, earning continuing American support. If not, who gives a fuck what happens to it? No violent right-wing religious kook is better than any other, and neither Israel nor Saudi Arabia deserves subsidies from Americans.
Hamas doesn't want this war to end. They're a death cult, and they aspire to go out in spectacular fashion with as many of their own women and children as possible, so that the demon they worship will reward them with concubine slaves for eternity.
-jcr
Speaker Mike Johnson being for Israel and against Hamas is a contradiction too since he agrees with Hamas on most issues, and disagrees with Israel which has abortion rights, gay rights, evolution..... Contradictions from both the left and the right it seems.
You are the weakest link. Good Bye.
BTW, what do you think the phrase 'from the river to the sea' means? I'd really like to hear what you 'enlightened, educated' morons think it means?
"They don't really mean it, they're just passionate. Besides, it was their land..."
It fits the rhyme scheme; don’t make them analyze the meaning of words.
On that day, the Lord made a covenant with Abraham, saying "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates". Genesis 15:18
Now, which descendants; through Isaac or through Ishmael?
Yeah, and Republicans should be much more welcoming to immigrants from south of the border, who tend to be Christian, pro-family, pro-life, and anti-woke. But they aren't, so Democrats try to claim them instead.
You might want to consider the percentage of South and Central Americans who are Catholic, and review their basic tenants.
Wow, this is weak, even by "drive-by bot" standards.
Sure bitch. Got any other insightful nuggets you want to share?
Maine shooter found dead.
Convenient
Not for 32 of his victims. Sadly, he didn't do it the other way 'round.
Guys, he's just fucking with us now;)
Queers for Palestine is the epitome of champagne socialism.
People ONLY ever stand for and support this kind of idiocy from the comfort of places/positions that both protect idiots and encourage idiocy.
When the GLBT takes their proselytizing to the rooftops of the Arab world to make their case for tolerance and acceptance, I'll know they're serious about their fight for... whatever it is they're fighting for (I don't even know, and I don't think they do either). Until then, they're just the spoiled children of a decadent culture in an overly indulgent society petulantly demanding one-way tolerance/acceptance.
Hell, Palestinian imams have already said they'd never permit a homosexual to enter Gaza.
Siding with people who LITERALLY want you dead is the single most asinine thing in the history of man.
I suspect the useful idiots are lining up where they're told.
Republicans speak out against Islamic terrorists and don't want them to immigrate to the US, so Democrats try to appeal to other Islamic immigrants in the continual positioning for voting blocs. Democrats had already positioned themselves as the party to protect LGBTQ voters from the Republicans who would commit genocide against them by refusing to sexualize second graders, so now Hamas supporters and trans activists are in the same party. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, even if he's really a much worse enemy.
Queers for Palestine = Shit For Brains
XY, Joe Biden would ike you to worry about the plight of the Palestinians. Except the ones in East Palestine Ohio. He still thinks they can go fuck themselves
I just shake my head, Unicorn.
The truth is stranger than fiction = Trannies for Hamas
Trannies for Hamas
Yeah, "to marry that cause to LGBT rights is simply unhinged from reality" is accurate for any cause and trans rights.
That's kinda funny, in a sad way. :-/
East Palestine, Ohio, is populated mostly by white women on public assistance.
Are you suggesting that they were asking to have a train run on them? (too soon?)
LOL, "Queers For Palestine*"
*but not Buttigieg for E. Palestine, OH.
"what's richly ironic is that many LGBT Palestinians seek asylum in Israel"
I'll trade these queers for those queers and the hostages. Deal?
“But to marry that cause to LGBT rights is simply unhinged from reality.”
Ok, this line made me laugh.
Little Billy dancing dangerously close to the truth of the matter. Is an epiphany immanent? Is it a sort of Morse code blinked message to the wider world? Maybe a subtle tell that he has been play acting the closeted progressive all the time.
Kind of sad really, a common denominator clue literally reaching out for the poor child and all he can do is face plant over it.
Why didn't Billy think to ask them why they support Hamas?
Their answers would, at least, have been entertaining.
That is an excellent idea. If none of them turn out able to speak a word of English beyond "ballyhoo snackbar," that bit of information alone would be way more valuable than Billy's beating around the bush.
*yawn*
This is a symptom of a suicidal tendency in current day Western intellectuals.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/mbd-lets-face-it-israels-haters-consider-it-white/
"National Review senior writer Michael Brendan Dougherty said on Friday’s episode of The Editors that the response by sympathizers in the West to Hamas’s atrocities reflects a twisted worldview — and one that’s being taught in colleges and universities."
"Dougherty argued that one important factor is that academic literature “is being used to teach young people that Israelis are just whites. And white is basically reduced in . . . the pages of Ta-Nehisi Coates into a devil-kind of figure. . . . It is a political construct that justifies oppression for its own sake.”"
"He continued, “This kind of ignorant trash is everywhere. But like I said in the previous Editors, it is fundamentally serving a purpose, which is this patricidal impulse in Western culture, that the only way we’re going to get to freedom is by destroying ourselves and destroying what was handed on to us. And for that, the kind of all-consuming, violent jihadism preached by Hamas is a natural ally.”"
Why worry about left-elitist nihilism? Something about never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
I don't think you quite understand who National Review's enemy actually is.
Sophists, not intellectuals.
-jcr
But to marry that cause to LGBT rights is simply unhinged from reality.
Welcome to the conversation. Finally. These people aren't even reality adjacent.
Get woke! The concept of an objective reality is archaic white patriarchal thinking, and disproved by post-modernist philosophers.
Really. This is what they think.
They aren't even saying that, since they rely on an alternative objective reality that is disproven every day in every way. Their reality might be unhinged from even the most basic scientific observations of the reality we live in, but I guess that's a feature not a bug.
Just because we have a limited understanding of what objective reality is doesn't disprove that there is an objective reality. The universe works by a set of rules that are much more complicated and operate on timeframes incomprehensible to the human mind.
Humanity is perhaps the most irrational thing in nature.
I'm not surprised. The Libertarian Party was barely starting out when communist anarchist Murray Rottbutt butted in and claimed to speak for us. Christian national socialists attacked us for arguing against the enslavement of women. Then child molesters invaded the platform committee with idiotic planks. So what's to stop a bunch of derangees and cross-dressing suicide hijackers from infiltrating another bunch the LP platform said not to bully and coerce? If it makes them look like fools, that's a win for mystical whackjobs.
*yawn*
This is the funniest thing that I've read in a long time. When you have the Liberal Socialists here hyping how much danger the Queers and the Alphabet crowd is in because of Conservatives and then you show how much ACTUAL danger that they are in, in other Countries, it shows how much of a joke the Liberal Socialists actually are. Over there they are killed and imprisoned. Here there might be a "mean tweet from some twit. Freaking hilarious.
Here there might be a “mean tweet from some twit.
Words are violence now. Did you not get the memo?
Silence is also violence.
Actual violence, by leftists, is 'mostly peaceful'.
Socialists aren't liberal.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1718348273369411717?t=JUGuqWA4ARpzOPnUrkWBpg&s=19
Nikki Haley proved to be the far more effective neocon
Have no fear, the "protect any border but the American border" wing of the party will still be well represented
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There is no "contradiction". "Queers" and "LGBTQ+ organizations" do not represent gays or transgender people, they represent the radical left. Oh, some of those people may incidentally be homosexual as well, but they are primarily leftists.
And the left has had the same burning hatred for Jews, Christians, homosexuals, and liberalism as the Muslims. That's why the left and Muslims march together.
That guy got so lathered up he forget that America's superstitious, gay-bashing bigots are the conservatives and Republicans.
There have been plenty of superstitious, gay-bashing bigots among conservatives and Republicans.
But the biggest threat to gays and lesbians today comes from progressives and Democrats.
Of course, ignoramuses and bigots like you wouldn't know anything about that, Kirkland.
What organization does represent the gays?
And why don't we ever hear from them?
What organization represents heterosexual men who like women with big tits ("breast men")? None. Because none is needed.
Just like that, no organization for gay men has been needed since the legalization of gay sex and the widespread acceptance of gay men throughout society.
Most gay men have better things to do than to form/run organizations that serve no purpose.
You do, all the time. We simply don't usually talk about what we do in the bedroom, just like you presumably don't. Being gay is not an identity, except for radical leftists and ignorant conservatives.
But feel free to prefix YOUR future political arguments by "as a heterosexual breast man, I ..." or "as a heterosexual butt man, I ...".
Correct. It's also why you don't see "breast men" don't gather en masse in order to celebrate pride months and march in parades; or demand "representation" in commerce, media, and entertainment; or claim "discrimination" against their non-normal sexual peccadilloes; or groom children into anti-biology beliefs (with a thinly veiled ulterior motive); or brand themselves with a flag; or invent little sub-cultures out of whole cloth to define themselves while still couching themselves in said flag.
You don't see ANY of that with breast men. You see it with gays. Constantly. Obnoxiously.
It's actually not that widespread. Mostly just in overly-decadent western Dorian Gray societies that have way too much time on their hands.
As the article points out - good luck with this kind of crap in the Arab world. (Or Africa, Russia, India, Asia both north and south, and large swaths of Latin and South America.)
Really? Because rare are the counterpoints being raised against homosexual activism coming from homosexuals.
YOU may not have crafted your identity around your homosexuality, but what are gays doing about the extreme majority of homosexuals that do? Or their leftist enablers?
I see lots of breast men "gather en masse in order to celebrate pride months and march in parades; or demand “representation” in commerce, media, and entertainment": the majority of men in the "LGBTQ+ movement" are heterosexual breast men. Gays are a small fraction of the "LGBTQ+ movement".
It's good enough for me and 99% of gays and lesbians.
And how do you know whether the "counterpoints being raised" are coming from homosexuals or heterosexuals? I mean, in this entire discussion, you have not even identified your own sexuality. For all we know, you are a flaming faggot.
Why should I do anything about them? They are bigoted, ignorant ideologues. You have more in common with them than I do.
Has anyone told the LGBTP that?
Have you? If so, can you point to an example of you (or someone like-minded) doing so?
Of course it is. Because homosexuals only exist in the aforementioned overly-decadent western Dorian Gray societies that have way too much time on their hands.
Anywhere else, they're like, "My weird kink ain't worth getting chucked off a rooftop."
Well, you're a self-confessed homosexual. Are YOU raising them? Have you been vocal in dismantling groups like the LGBTP? Has anyone sharing your fetish done so, that you can name?
You, as a homosexual, seem to be asserting some marked difference between and distinction from the rest of your rainbow crowd. What is it, and how are you taking the homosexual community to task by it?
Are you OK with bigoted, ignorant ideologues?
Are you OK with them defining the stereotypes that end up becoming presumptions about you?
Because I'm not. Hence why I go fangs-bared against MAGA for corrupting Conservatism. I fight them just as hard as I do any other Leftist punk.
As a homosexual, do you do the same with LGBTP?
They know. You obviously don't know. That's why I'm telling you.
It's also only the "aforementioned overly-decadent western Dorian Gray societies" that tolerate Christians, atheists, and American conservatives.
There is no more of a "homosexual community" than there is a "heterosexual community".
I despise progressives and leftists, but if they have one redeeming quality, it is that they destroy everything people like you hold dear.
That's not even a little bit true. A) Western society is openly hostile to both Christianity (and Judaism) and Conservatism these days - about the only two groups of whom the leftist social/political/media machine will actually advocate intolerance, hate, and persecution; and B) Christianity and Conservatism can be found in abundance in large parts of Central/Southern Africa, Latin/South America, even Russia and parts of South Asia. (Heck, all the best priests are coming out of Africa and the Philippines these days.)
Have you told the homosexuals that? Like, literally - where are all the homosexuals trying to bring down the LGBTP (which literally calls itself the gay community), counter their message, and shatter their social/political/cultural influence? Shouldn't be too hard, if they're as few in number as you assert.
As for the "heterosexual community," why would that require a term? It's like the word "cisgender." It serves NO purpose whatsoever in language. It's like saying "flightless emu." That's stupid. They're all flightless. And if by some oddity one started to fly, we'd refer to IT as the "flying emu" - qualifying IT to point out its obvious deviation from what's normal.
Which is why "homosexual community" is a thing. It refers to the fact that "homosexual" is a deviation from the rest of the community.
You don't know what things I hold dear. I'm willing to bet you share more than a few of them.
Which must mean you enjoy shooting yourself in the foot. A little S&M to go along with your same sex kink, perhaps?
You're a pre-MAGA conservative, you said so yourself: Hence why I go fangs-bared against MAGA for corrupting Conservatism
Leftists have already destroyed the cities and communities I care about, so I really don't have anything to lose in that department.
Pre-MAGA Conservatives like you have always hated me and continue to do so, as you keep making abundantly clear. So, when leftists attack and destroy your communities and draft your kids into their cult, I can only say: serves you right.
Interesting. You've now pivoted completely away from anything we've been discussing, and instead focused your reply exclusively on me personally. Can I take that as a concession as to the points regarding homosexuals, Christianity, and conservatism?
(Also, I don't hate you. Don't know how or why you could have possibly come to such a conclusion. That's the exact opposite of what I advocate.)
I reject the terminology and premises that you start with, so as far as I'm concerned, you have no coherent "points".
That's because I reject your terminology and premises.
Well, you just keep telling yourself that. However, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that I hate pre-MAGA conservatives, almost as much as I hate socialists and progressives.
You can reject reality until you're blue in the face, it's not going to change reality.
But we both know that's a lame cop-out response in the first place though - because if you actually did, you'd articulate what you reject and why. Instead, you seem to keep touting yourself and your own beliefs as the standard for all homosexuals - when homosexuals clearly evidence the contrary on a daily basis all across the Western world.
And even if it wasn't, it's still pretty brazenly disingenuous because anytime I ask what you do to help bring down what appears to be a common enemy - the LGBTP and their insidious influence on society - you quickly try to change the subject.
Hatred isn't healthy, Noyb.
Also, I'm now wondering if you have some sort of cognitive dissonance going on. Because MAGA conservatives (which is an oxymoron, btw), are near indistinguishable from socialists and progressives.
Different color hat. That's about it.
The radical leftist ideology you have adopted as your framework for viewing the world is not “reality”.
No doubt you believe such platitudes. In fact, hatred of socialists and totalitarians was quite healthy growing up under socialism.
Saying that I hate pre-MAGA conservatives says nothing about how I feel about MAGA conservatives or anything else for that matter.
Pre-MAGA conservatives (people like Bush, McCain, Cheney, Buckley, Romney, etc.) are war mongering anti-free market neocon globalists and authoritarians; that makes them indistinguishable from progressives as far as I’m concerned.
The Roman Catholic Church
No, they've made it pretty clear that homosexuals - Catholic or otherwise - are looking at perdition unless they curb their unnatural/deviant desires, ultimately overcome them, and otherwise get right with the world.
Unless they join the clergy.
Even then.
I see your argument and will raise you another: environmentalism isn't about the environment.
Similarly, it is the leftists who have departed the communism and anti-nuclear "movements" of yesteryear and simply found a new cause to exploit. They didn't all just become shopkeepers after the fall of the Soviet Union...
Critical Theory always requires something to be critical of. There is never any happiness or satisfaction to its advocates. You can give them literally everything they want, and they'll always find something new to complain about.
Well, I see little difference between neo-Marxists and "conservatives" like you: both of you divide the world into identity groups and foam at your respective mouths about what those identity groups should or should not do.
You can go to hell together for all I care.
Have you considered seeing an optometrist for your vision problems?
Well, I note that you have failed to address my point.
At least progressives have an original ideology, wrong but original; you're just a useful idiot for them, the kind of political foil they need to gain power.
There was no point. You said you see "little difference between neo-Marxists and conservatives."
If you can't see that, you are clearly suffering problems with your sight (or possibly your brain, not interpreting your sensory data correctly). Go get that checked out. Optometrist and Neurologist.
BSTS.
Yes, and I explained why I see little difference between neo-Marxists and conservatives like you: conservatives like you have already adopted the neo-Marxist world view of identity groups and grievance. You keep demonstrating that by your absolutely unshakable belief that just because someone is a homosexual, he has something to do with the "LGBTP movement" (as you call it).
It's not like you've said or done anything to shake that belief. I've asked you repeatedly what you've done to repudiate the LGBTP. You never offer even a scintilla of a hint to suggest what you to do curb their toxic and destructive influence on society.
As I said: where are all the homosexuals trying to bring down the LGBTP (which literally calls itself the gay community), counter their message, and shatter their social/political/cultural influence? What are you doing to combat their neo-Marxist worldview of identity groups and grievance?
And why do you appear so hostile towards someone like me, who seems to want the same thing you do when it comes to combating such things?
Well, a simple Google search finds lots of results for keywords like “LGB not T”. But homosexuals who voice that opinion are censored by big tech, denounced as “haters”, and often ostracized and canceled.
As I was saying, the "LGBT... organizations" have already done pretty much all the damage they can to things I care about, so fighting them really isn't very high on my list of priorities. They are attacking things that people like you care about, so they are your problem.
Says the guy who keeps using the acronym “LGBTP”.
Whoop-di-do. Where are the results for keywords like "anti-LGBT gays."
Not here you're not. So, by all means, articulate your argument - as a gay man - against the LGBTP and why it should be dismantled, destroyed, those identifying with it ostracized, and why America (if not the world) would be better for it.
I've asked you this a bunch of times, and you always dance around it.
So, you've resigned to them? Accepted your place on the Reservation (or the slave pen perhaps) and now wait for someone else to deal with a common enemy?
Like France rolling over for the Nazis, if you don't like the indian/slave examples?
What IS your problem with that, exactly? ''
I’m a wealthy, older, masculine gay man. The “LGBT…” movement simply doesn’t affect me: I’m not a member and I don’t identify as “LGBT…”. None of my gay friends identify with it. The conservative backlash to the “LGBT…” movement doesn’t affect me either. Even if stupid, nasty people like you come back into power and pass all the anti-gay legislation you want, it doesn’t affect me.
That is what “LGB not T” means!
It's a fabricated acronym that doesn't stand for any actual group or movement; using it shows that you are a dishonest and manipulative debater.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lgbtp-adding-letter/
Yet you're apparently entirely content to let it misrepresent you and your friends? Why is that? Why not stand against them, especially knowing how destructive they are?
That just means gay not trans. So does that mean you're part of a LGB movement instead? Isn't that kind of splitting hairs?
The whole thing is a fabricated acronym. It's why they keep adding letters for every new thing they come up with. Why not add P? It's a sexual deviancy, after all. No different than the rest.
For that matter, if what you said above is consistent - it doesn't affect you. You don't identify with it anyway, and neither do your friends. What do you care if there's a P on the acronym or not?
Gay, Trans, Pedo, Queer, Two-Spirit - it all falls under the same umbrella at the end of the day. It's the Flying Emu. The Emu is the norm; the Flying is the deviancy from the it.
(Also, citing snopes as an authority on anything? Really? And you're calling me dishonest and manipulative? Projection much? )
Nobody can be part of an "LGB movement" because there is no such thing.
As I was saying: you and progressives think the same way, you are cut from the same cloth.
They don't represent me. It's only people like you who think they do, and people like you despise me anyway no matter what I say or do.
Really, it makes no practical difference to me what they or you believe or do. I don't parade around my sexuality, so you can't even tell; if you say something anti-gay around me, I'll make you quietly pay for it and you won't even know what hit you. And if straight parents castrate their kids because radical leftists tell them to, that's not my problem.
You did here, in this conversation. Multiple times. Like most other people who choose to live a lifestyle alternative to and deviating from the norm, their most common shared trait is an obsession with making sure other people know about it. Like a flying emu would certainly garner attention – which, ultimately, is what your type craves more than anything else.
And I’ve said nothing anti-gay. Not one word to such an effect. Again, hate isn’t healthy. Homosexuals, transgenders, even pedophiles aren’t evil. They’re just lost. Like children scrabbling helplessly in a dark forest unable to find the right path – and they need compassion and care to help them find their way. Before they give up and resign themselves to it, and ultimately harm themselves or others.
Oh, and ps.
And, by extension, I suppose its not your problem if someone (weird that you'd qualify it with sexual orientation and parentage) abused, molested, or even killed children.
This is why the P belongs with the LGBT. Your indifference is what empowers them to grow more secure in their deviancy and more brazen in their deviant lifestyle.
The rise of the radical left is due to the abject failure of "pre-MAGA conservatives" like you: you have had lots of political power for nearly a century and you have pissed it all away.
Gay men like myself have had almost no political power, ever, neither against a--holes like you nor against the radical left. You two just keep using us as political footballs.
Feel free to stick whatever letters you want on "LGBT"; since I don't identify as "LGBT-anything", it doesn't mean anything to me. I simply pointed out that your desire to create this fake acronym is another indication of your ignorance and hostility.
Most gay men, like most racial and ethnic minorities, are going to look at guys like you and are going to say "I may not like the radical left, but I'm not going to help a--holes like that guy". You seem to want something. I'm just telling you: you aren't going to get it this way.
So, like, you don't even remotely operate in reality, do you.
It's not about how you identify. It's about the fact homosexuality, transgenderism, pedophilia, and all the other aberrant deviancies from the norm all fall under the exact same umbrella.
And this is the proof of it:
Because you'd rather see a child get castrated, mutilated, and raped if it means spiting folks "like me."
What "way" would get you to stand against folks in your own minority (in your case gay/trans/pedo/queer/etc)?
No contradictions. Just commies being commies. Blame it on the dialectic.
Basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRAw7iEPB_E
When you have the mind of a child you don't realize that you are clueless.
There has always been a subset of gays who are basically suicidal. I remember hearing a few years ago about "bug hunting" which is having unprotected sex with the purpose of getting infected with HIV.
-jcr
This could be fixed if the gay/transgender folks would just reach out to Hamas and other Islamic terror groups. I would like to see teams of gays/transgender hop planes to Gaza, there to put on some event so the locals can see that they are really just nice humans like the islamists are. Maybe some transgender story hours at local schools/libraries or some parades like they have in the Castro district in SF every year. I guarantee the locals would find such things very stimulating attention getters! It’s a way to improve the world!.
POP QUIZ! Who said: "The problem is the human heart. It's not guns..."
a) A Hamas mystical jihadist?
b) A MAGA mystical girl-bullier?
*yawn*