U.S. Faces Risks in Spreading Israel-Hamas Conflict
Americans are likely to be blamed no matter what happens.

If you suspect that, with Hamas's brutal attack on Israel added to the Ukraine war and other global conflicts, matters worldwide are heating up in unfortunate ways for all concerned including Americans, the U.S. State Department wants to tell you: You're right.
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Americans at Risk Everywhere
"Due to increased tensions in various locations around the world, the potential for terrorist attacks, demonstrations or violent actions against U.S. citizens and interests, the Department of State advises U.S. citizens overseas to exercise increased caution," warns a recent travel advisory.
Where should Americans "exercise increased caution?" Well, it's a worldwide advisory, so everywhere. That's understandable given that preexisting tensions with Russia and its allies almost pale in comparison to the growing stresses following Hamas's atrocities against Israeli citizens. As fighting rages, other nations are being drawn in, including traditional Israeli ally, the U.S.
"On Wednesday, the USS Carney, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, opened fire on four cruise missiles and 15 airborne drones for nine hours, far longer than the military first said," reports military news site Task & Purpose. "Citing an American official familiar with the matter, the path and trajectory of the missiles had them en route to Israel. The missiles were fired by the Houthi rebels in Yemen, according to the Department of Defense, and would be the first attempt by any group in Yemen to strike at Israel in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 terror attacks by Hamas two weeks ago."
There's a lot to unpack there. But it's not the full story.
The U.S. has two carrier strike groups, plus an amphibious ready group (basically a light aircraft carrier plus support ships and a Marine Expeditionary Unit) operating in the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf. Given the Iranian government's close connections to groups including Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, the possibility that it helped plan the October 7 attack, its praise for the day's bloodshed, and threats to directly intervene, the military presence could be taken as a warning that the U.S. will defend its partner against further aggression. It also necessarily puts Americans in harm's way.
"U.S. troops have been repeatedly attacked in Iraq and Syria in recent days, U.S. officials said on Thursday, as Washington is on heightened alert for activity by Iran-backed groups with regional tensions soaring during the Israel-Hamas war," notes Reuters.
A strong case can be made that military commitments to other countries are unwise—and has been made at least as far back as Thomas Jefferson's warning against "entangling alliances" in his 1801 inaugural address, and before him George Washington's caution against "permanent alliances" in his 1796 farewell address. But Washington added, "let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements," and the U.S. definitely has existing engagements with Israel.
America's Close Partnership with Israel
"U.S.-Israel security cooperation—a critical part of the bilateral relationship—is multifaceted," the Congressional Research Service noted in a report published last month. "U.S. law requires the executive branch to take certain actions to preserve Israel's 'qualitative military edge,' or QME, and expedites aid and arms sales to Israel in various ways."
That relationship does not include a mutual defense pact, though one has recently been a subject of discussions between the two countries. That means the U.S. has no obligation to put boots on the ground in Israel, though the death of a reported 32 Americans and abduction of roughly a dozen more at the hands of Hamas makes some presence inevitable, if only to attempt the rescue of those still being held hostage after the release of Judith and Natalie Raanan. While briefly visiting Israel last week, President Biden was photographed in the company of U.S. special forces.
No matter how large the U.S. presence when Israel enters Gaza to strike at Hamas, Americans are likely to suffer blowback for what is guaranteed to be a messy operation because the two countries are closely inked in reality and public perceptions around the world. That link is the result of personal ties, Israel's strategic position, and its status as a free-ish democracy in a region where that's unicorn-level rare.
Urban Warfare and a Bigger Mess to Come
Just how messy Gaza operations will be was illustrated when a rocket apparently launched at Israel by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a Hamas ally, went off course and hit a hospital parking lot in Gaza City. Much of the world was quick to blame Israel before the story was corrected, sparking protests around a world that is frequently hostile towards Israel when it's not explicitly directing hate at Jews—and motivating that global travel advisory.
Soon after, an actual Israeli airstrike collapsed St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church, killing civilians.
"With great sadness, I have now confirmed that several of my relatives…were killed at Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church in Gaza, where they had been sheltering, when part of the complex was destroyed as the result of an Israeli airstrike," former Libertarian congressman Justin Amash, himself of Palestinian descent, announced. "Give rest, O Lord, to their souls, and may their memories be eternal."
No war leaves the innocent untouched. That's especially true now that Israel understandably vows that, after a sneak attack that left more than 1,400 of its citizens dead and over 200 in captivity, Hamas and its allies need to be eliminated. That necessitates urban combat in an environment where the population is used by Hamas as human shields. More civilian casualties are bound to join the thousands already struck down in Gaza.
"If Israel does what it says it wants to do—toppling Hamas and destroying Hamas military capabilities—we are talking about a Mosul all over the Gaza Strip," private-sector intelligence expert Michael Horowitz told The Wall Street Journal, comparing operations in Gaza City to U.S. efforts against ISIS in Iraq's second-largest city. "And it means really extensive civilian casualties and really extensive damage."
Limiting Involvement Is Wise, But the U.S. Is Already Exposed
The U.S. government is well-advised to keep American troops out of that fight, other than whatever is required to help recover Americans among the hostages. U.S. forces already have extensive experience with thankless wars and don't need to join another, however necessary, fought by another nation.
But America's close partnership with Israel, its provision of weapons and materiel to the country, and the strong military presence in the region mean that Americans will take some measure of blame for what happens next. That's in addition to existing hostility towards Americans as a result of our country's support of Ukraine after Russia's invasion, stresses with China, and growing turmoil on a globe that seems to be entering a new and more chaotic period.
You might want to bookmark that State Department advisory about "worldwide caution" due to "increased tensions." It's likely to be applicable for quite some time to come.
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The United States is going to be blamed for not ordering Israel to surrender itself to the tender mercies of the Palestinians no matter what else we do.
Butt the Palestinians are an OPPRESSED MINORITY, so therefor, that ALWAYS makes ALL of them morally superior, and worthy of the support of ALL woke folk! And my Joker is woker than your folker, Batman, and Robin, all put together!
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The Jews are committing genocide with our help while we turn a blind eye to their atrocities.
Why do we support a xenophobic apartheid stolen state threatening to use nukes it doesn’t admit to having?
The idea of Israel and our century of dealing with lying waste of skin Zionists has been nothing but trouble costing millions of lives for the Satan worshipping self proclaimed chosen people.
Pretty sure we're all infidels no matter what.
Depicting Muhammed? That's a fatwa.
Viewing depictions of Muhammed? That's a fatwa.
Depicting Muslims poorly in cinema and fiction? That's a fatwa.
Eating pork? That's a fatwa.
Staring at my sandals? That's a fatwa.
Opposing fatwas? Oh, you better believe that's a fatwa.
beautiful.
If we're going to be blamed regardless, best to just nuke it from orbit.
I am torn here. Please help me out, O True Libertarians!
On the one hand, Dr. Ron Paul, esteemed libertarian icon, has taught us Blowback Theory, in which the US had it coming for the 9/11 attacks. Hence True Libertarians should side with the Palestinians for being the victims of oppression and justifiably lashing out at their oppressors.
On the other hand, President Donald Trump, the most libertarian president of all time, has declared that we must support Israel in their fight against the Palestinians.
Which libertarian leader should we True Libertarians follow? Ron Paul or Donald Trump?
Holy shit, you're a faggot.
You're not even trying.
Blowback Theory, in which the US had it coming for the 9/11 attacks
Keep trying and you might reach JesseAz's level of mendacity.
Sarc. We know this is you. For fucks sake.
You are right. Everyone knows that Blowback Theory only applies to Americans, not Muslims. Therefore we must support Donald Trump's position and support Israel.
More like "JesseCA".
Sarc, you call this parody? It's not even worthy of a Sunday night sitcom on the CW.
People weren’t paying enough attention to him so he’s trying to make it all about himself again. Some people are so utterly useless they need to create a victim narrative for themselves to give their lives meaning.
in which the US had it coming for the 9/11 attacks
That's not even remotely what Ron Paul said, nor is it what 'blowback' theory is, and 'blowback' theory actually originated with the CIA, not Ron Paul. Because the CIA has observed blowback related to its overseas operations.
Hence True Libertarians should side with the Palestinians for being the victims of oppression and justifiably lashing out at their oppressors.
Why wouldn't it lead to blowback against Hamas for their attack? Oh wait, it did. Because that's what Hamas wanted. Almost like they understand blowback.
Your understanding here is really, really thin. The cocky posturing isn't doing you any favors.
America is terrible. Does that mean people will stop trying to sneak in?
The US faces risks no matter what we do. Let's focus for a moment why we're even here. Tuccille, the moral relativist, evidently forgot. Dozens of Americans were ruthlessly, savagely slaughtered by Hamas, a terror group with significant support within Gaza society. Many more Americans were taken hostage.
The Simchat Torah pogrom made clear that this is an existential fight between Israel and Hamas. Israel's primary war aim is to physically obliterate Hamas within Gaza; I don't think I object to that as an American. We'll all be a little safer when Hamas is extinct.
Really, the question is what to do with a people who support Judeocide? Gazan society has been steeped and marinated in their schools and mosques that Judeocide is perfectly acceptable. That is the hard question.
Regarding Iran....I really hope our military people have something on the order of a 'Soleimeni Ginsu' planned for several people in Iran. That is the head of the serpent in this region of the world.
But we were told that giving billions in cash to Iran would fix things and definitely wasn't the literal definition of treason by the President who paid it.
Nevermind that the cash we gave them has literally financed terrorism and was certainly used to kill U.S. troops abroad.
"Literally financed terrorism".
You refer to cash which was not given. Not only wasn't it ours to "give", it wasn't released to Iran at all.
(And please don't bother trying to edusplain "fungible"; you can't even manage "literally".)
Hamas, a terror group with significant support within Gaza society
If they had significant support, they would hold elections.
Israel’s primary war aim is to physically obliterate Hamas within Gaza
Unfortunately, Hamas' leadership is in Qatar, not Gaza. But Israel can't attack Qatar, on account of the US military presence there. The US could wipe out Hamas' leadership this afternoon, if it wanted to.
No honest, intelligent person would see moral relativism in my piece. The word "atrocities" could have been a clue to you, had you cared. I'll do you the courtesy of assuming that you're not stupid. So we know that you're a lying sack of shit.
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I think the Biden administration is handling this about as best as it can be handled. Let the Israelis know we support them but tell them not to do anything stupid. Don't rush to react when the region is a powder keg ready to blow. Israel has a lot to do and should not rush things. There is more to be gained by letting things cool and regaining support from countries in the region. Get the hostages out, get Hamas but do it strategically rather than tactically. Find out what went wrong and why Hamas got as far as it did. Finally get some of the country's internal problem solved. The government was not doing its job and needs to be replaced and that might be a better place to start that a hot regional war.
Find out what went wrong and why Hamas got as far as it did.
They got as far as they did by promising to eradicate all the Jews in the region and give their stuff to their followers.
Reframing this in the context of World War 2 is inadvertently hilarious though since this could have been published in an American newspaper as the NAZI war machine rolled over Europe as well.
In fact, American newspapers did publish this exact same narrative at the time.
Weird, right?
Hamas is hardly rolling through Israel the way the German army went through Europe so I don't get your point. The analogy to WWII is don't get into a two front war if you can avoid it and line up support in the region.
The Israel government has a lot to answer for to its people. They were caught off guard and it might be well to figure that out first to avoid it happening again.
I'd say they figured out a pretty good way to make sure it doesn't happen again: kill the people responsible for doing it.
Given that the very existence of Jews in the region is enough to justify any atrocity Hamas can think up to these people, I think it's pretty clear that Israel is the lesser evil despite their numerous imperfections.
Notice that Hamas didn't say a single word before invading Israel and attacking literal civilians, yet Israel still gave Hamas (and the people who live in the region) warning that they were indeed coming and yes they are loading for bear.
“Soon after, an actual Israeli airstrike collapsed St. Porphyrius Greek Orthodox Church, killing civilians.”
Fake news. The Church stands. An annex, aka a building that is part of the Church, was destroyed.
Wonder why they targeted the annex of a church. Weapons cache?
It would be par for the course for HAMAS to do exactly that. They love using schools, hospitals, and other humanitarian buildings to cover their weapons stockpiles and training centers. They know quite well that if they do so the international journalist class will give them rhetorical cover if anyone dares to light them up with strikes.
Human shields are their MO. Make of that what you will.
It is terrible that Hamas uses human shields but the culpability for those deaths is on Hamas.
not quoting but Golda Meir said something like "we will forgive you for killing our children but will never forgive you for making us kill yours"
Her quote, "When peace comes, we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons."
Also, "When were Palestinians born? What was all of this area before the First World War when Britain got the Mandate over Palestine? What was Palestine, then? Palestine was then the area between the Mediterranean and the Iraqian border. Eastern West Bank was Palestine. I am a Palestinian, from 1921 to 1948, I carried a Palestinian passport. There was no such thing in this area as Jews, and Arabs, and Palestinians, There were Jews and Arabs."
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Invoking Thomas Jefferson in cautioning against military partnerships with other nations insinuates that Israel's interests, and not those of the US, are driving our decisions. The United States is the senior partner and we are watching the opening of a global conflict between the US and its allies and China-Iran-Russia. Israel is a regional bulwark and proxy against Iran, which is why solidifying and broadening that anti-Irianian lever vis-a-vis the Abraham Accords are a priority for us. With Ukraine and Israel in play, Taiwan will be next. It's not about Israel. Or, rather, Israel is the footnote. It's about the US jockeying for strategic position, global dominance, and shoring dollar primacy.
the US and its allies
What allies?
The United States, other NATO nations, SEATO nations, and some aligned, non-members of those organizations have been working together on Ukraine, are coming together on Israel, and have been talking about China-Taiwan and how to counter Chinese influence, both militarily and economically, for over a year now. That could, in very general terms, be called "The West." Yes, The United States has allies when the chips are down. Plenty of them. Its attitudes like yours, and Der Rumper Trump's, that make out allies think twice about *us.*
Our governments are actively at war with the American people, but your faggot ass wants to hold a gun to our head and take our resources.
Eat a bullet.
Ad hominem attacks and name-calling are the tactics of the intellectually vacuous and ethically inept. You can keep your bullet.
You must be new here. Let's review:
—You're wrong because you're a faggot.
Ad hominem.
—You're wrong AND you're a faggot.
Not ad hominem.
Israel doesn't do shit for Americans
The idea that America should be engaging in destroying monsters around the world is dangerous and wasteful.
Furthermore Washington has violated George Washington's warning about foreign entanglements. The progressive era did this and America has been doing this ever since.
It's high time to put an end to it. Israel- Hamas is not our fight. Neither is Ukraine- Russia. Nor China-Taiwan. In fact Washington needs to keep its nose out of other people's business or the result might be a black eye in the form of a mushroom cloud.
George Washington lived in a smaller, slower world in which engagement ranges with line-of-sight, munitions did not exceed muskets and canons, word took weeks or even months to travel, and economies were much more heavily agrarian and localized, ad in which all of the great powers were neighbors in Europe on the other side of the ocean, and who shared understood and similar motives. In other words, he did not live in a modern world with great powers in regions all-around the world whose weapons can travel thousands of miles and destroy cities, with instantaneous communications, interconnected economies, and violently opposed ways of living and seeing the world that are often misaligned. We live in a smaller, faster, and far more dangerous world than our revered first president did. His words are wise for their time and circumstances but have to be taken in that context. We can leave geopolitics alone, but geopolitics won't leave us alone. The same is true of our strategic competitors. We may want to cooperate and have peace, but they don't. So, we either see to our own interests or we have them override our interests for theirs. With all due respect to our beloved first president, being an isolationist and non-interventionist may have been the best course for our interests then, but it is not so now. World events have global reach that impacts us at home and are, as a result, definitively our business.
American hostages and American deaths make this our fight = physically obliterate Hamas within Gaza
As would American deaths at the hands of Israel in Gaza, the West Bank or Lebanon, by that logic.
>>Spreading Israel-Hamas Conflict
lol does paying for it count as "spreading"? also did you write this before the nice Jewish lady was murdered in front of her home in Rashida Tlaib's district? also, does Rashida Tlaib still have a district or did good Americans toss her out of Congress over the weekend?
So once again terrorists are trading hostages for a delay on Israel's ground invasion of Gaza. And the perennially wrong-headed American government is playing right into their hands with virtue signaling over "humanitarian disasters." Although I certainly sympathize with the few Palestinians who prefer peace and prosperity in the region and have no particular interest in obliterating the Jewish State of Israel or remaining impoverished refugees for the next few generations, but who nevertheless find themselves trapped in a terrorist governed region, this is a war by the original definition of war - not the "police action, making the world safe for democracy, protecting our vital national interests" version! Collateral damage and innocent victims always happen during modern wars, and nothing will change that despite the politicians wetting their pants.
Do libertarians care that the 2024 leading political candidate for POTUS is closer to being kept off the ballot in Colorado? Not that Trump has any chance in Colorado (the state makes taxpayer funded rent /water sewer payments to investors who build public housing projects for carjacking drug cartel baby mamas) Trump doesn’t have a chance in Colorado, the teachers unions, cartels, coyotes, smugglers, NGOs, public school interpreters/administrators , climate Thunbergs, mules and stash houses will vote for *more socialism* or Cornell West.
Do libertarians care that the 2024 leading political candidate for POTUS is closer to being kept off the ballot in Colorado?
Trump made his name by challenging the electoral qualifications of a Prez candidate. And now you want that strictly forbidden when done against Trump. That’s rich. Also CO isn't the only place of the lawsuits. Also MN and MI.
Considering that he's a decidedly autocratic self-declared cult of personality who talks out of both sides of his mouth on civil liberties? Probably not!
You do not believe in democracy.
Because a random troll on the Interwebs says I don't? Utter tosh.
No, it's because you're part of the cheering section for political prosecutions and criminalizing political differences. Go back to Salon or DU or whatever rock you crawled out from under.
"Considering that he’s a decidedly autocratic self-declared cult of personality who talks out of both sides of his mouth on civil liberties? Probably not!"
Yet one more lying TDS-addled pile of shit. Fuck off and die, asshole.
Colorado is the Minnesota of the west.
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An Israeli peace activist named Uri Avner once said something a long time ago (in his case it was right after the Sabra Shatila massacre) in an interview that I always remember when serious shit happens.
It would be nice to believe that people who have undergone suffering have been purified by suffering. But it’s the opposite, it makes them worse. It corrupts. There is something in suffering that creates a kind of egoism. Herzog [the Israeli president at the time] was speaking at the site of the concentration camp at Bergen-Belsen but he spoke only about the Jews. How could he not mention that others – many others – had suffered there? Sick people, when they are in pain, cannot speak about anyone but themselves. And when such monstrous things have happened to your people, you feel nothing can be compared to it. You get a moral “power of attorney”, a permit to do anything you want – because nothing can compare to what has happened to us. This is a moral immunity which is very clearly felt in Israel.
This really has nothing to do with the unique suffering mentioned here. Palestinians have the same phenomenon of suffering turning into egoism and moral immunity. Americans had the same thing post 9/11 where we demanded that everyone in the world be for us or against us.
It’s almost a Buddhist observation. When events of suffering make the headlines and begin to suck in all the oxygen of the world so that no one can pay attention to anything else, it always reminds me of that observation. And it is amazing how often these events begin to follow the same script in the aftermath.
"...Palestinians have the same phenomenon of suffering turning into egoism and moral immunity..."
What "suffering"? None.
"US faces risks in spreading of Israel-Hamas conflicts....Washington is counting on it.
Well, yea. Our porous borders for so many years is basically guaranteeing that Arab culture takes advantage of that.
If we are going to be blamed no matter what we do, we might as well do what is right.
Shouldn't we be doing that already?
To all the great Dems on here. You voted for Biden. A man who has been wrong on foreign policy for 40 years. At least with Trump, everyone was too afraid he would nuke them. Orange man bad!
It's great to see all the pride protests for Gaza since they would be so welcome there.
Agree with the article title. Just get the fudge out of that cheese hole
That's because Americans keep sticking their noses into overseas conflicts. We should return to the Monroe Doctrine and leave issues in Europe and the Middle East to Europeans. Fully and completely. Instead, the US MIC was eager to whore itself out to do Europe's dirty work at US taxpayer expense.
Nevertheless, the correct choice is to go cold turkey with the foreign military deployments. Set a schedule and withdraw almost all foreign troops within half a dozen years. Cut out all foreign military and development aid. Leave the UN.
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"US faces risk of spreading Israel-Hamas conflict."
Washington and the MIC are counting on it. They have German generals now spouting their rubbish. Telling the people to prepare for WAR whether you like it or not.
The west then commits suicide.
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