John Oliver Grudgingly Accepts Homeschooling
The tut-tutting class has retreated from pushing for a ban on DIY education to fretting over regulation.

TV host John Oliver is essentially a court jester for people who consider themselves political and cultural elites; the topics he addresses reflect their concerns. So when he does an extended take on homeschooling, you can assume that, after years of innovation and growth, DIY education is on the radar of the tut-tutting class. And when he accepts homeschooling as a potentially beneficial practice, but one that needs more oversight from the right people, you know anti-homeschoolers are in retreat, fighting a rearguard action to maintain a degree of control because it's too late to abolish a practice they dislike.
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"Getting To Be Homeschooled Can Be Transformative"
"By one estimate, there are now around 2 million children being homeschooled in this country, and parents can choose that for all sorts of reasons," the host allowed on the October 8 episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. "Maybe their kids have social or health problems, or disabilities that aren't being accommodated. Maybe they're families with legitimate fears about school safety, or who are in the military and move around a lot. And there's also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums and zero-tolerance policies in schools that disproportionately criminalize their kids at an early age. So, there are a lot of reasons to do it. And the fact is, for some kids, getting to be homeschooled can be transformative."
That's quite a shift from a few years ago when Harvard Law School's Elizabeth Bartholet penned a sniffy Arizona Law Review piece favoring a "presumptive ban" on homeschooling.
Oliver showed a brief clip of Victoria, a Detroit girl who described switching to homeschooling as "just like a kind of like a sunshine, like the clouds opening a little bit."
But then we get the cautionary note.
Who Is In Charge Here?
"The ceiling of how good homeschooling can be is admittedly very high," Oliver added. "But the floor of how bad it can get is basically nonexistent. Because to an extent you may not realize, in many parts of the country, homeschooling is essentially unregulated."
"Let's start with the fact there's a lot we don't know about homeschooled kids—from exactly how many there are, to what they're learning," he added ominously.
Who is this "we" who doesn't know how many homeschooled kids there are or what they're learning? Because I'm pretty sure those kids' parents have a handle on things. I don't know where John Oliver sends his kids to school, but that doesn't keep me up at night. Of course, I may not be part of "we."
"In most states, there is no oversight, and no evaluation by anyone of the academic program and of students' progress," Oliver further frets. To show that's bad, he points to a clip of Michael Donnelly of the Home School Legal Defense Association describing his kids dissecting specimens in the kitchen.
"Are kitchens the best lab for this kind of thing?" Oliver asks in horror.
Hard counter surfaces that are easy to clean—sounds pretty sensible. Would he prefer to use the living room coffee table? This is silly. My homeschooled son used the kitchen counter for dissection, too, as well as for chemistry and other science lessons. Lots of families do, as evidenced by an industry selling homeschoolers lab equipment and dissection specimens.
Oliver continues from there, though the discourse never rises above the level of some people I don't like are choosing homeschooling for reasons with which I disagree. He points to the religious nature of some publishers of crappy textbooks (as well as a tiny group of Nazi parents who self-published teaching materials because there was so little demand for Hitler-themed readers), but families can take them or leave them, unlike the spun texts assigned in public schools.
"The books have the same publisher. They credit the same authors. But they are customized for students in different states, and their contents sometimes diverge in ways that reflect the nation's deepest partisan divides," The New York Times' Dana Goldstein wrote in 2020 of history textbooks produced for state-level buyers in California and Texas, "customized to satisfy policymakers with different priorities."
Then, Oliver huffs: "In many states parents don't ultimately have to teach their kids anything at all."
Apparently, Nobody Is in Charge of Public Schools, Either
Uh huh. A RAND Corporation survey of public school teachers finds that "since 2019–2020 it's become more common for math teachers to skip math content that's covered by their state's math standards." Test scores fell off a cliff in recent years, accelerated by public schools' failures during pandemic shutdowns ("a majority of states saw scores decline for fourth- and eighth-graders in mathematics and reading between 2019 and 2022," according to the U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics). Many schools (we're looking at you, Los Angeles Unified School District) promote underperforming kids anyway, with a nothing-to-see-here attitude. Who isn't teaching "anything at all?"
That public schools can be terrible is obvious from Oliver's joking allusion to his own misery in school, as well as the clip of Victoria, who was so delighted to find "sunshine" in exiting government offerings for DIY education. Victoria is in good company.
Families Stepped Up When the Pros Fumbled
"In the first full school year after the onset of the pandemic, K-12 public school enrollment in the U.S. fell by more than a million students," according to an Urban Institute report published in February of this year. "And these enrollment losses persisted through the 2021-22 school year." By contrast, private school enrollment increased by 4.3 percent and homeschool enrollment increased by 30 percent.
"To put this in perspective," adds the Urban Institute report, "in the 22 locations with homeschool data, K-12 public school enrollment fell by 710,513 students while private school enrollment increased by 102,847 students. The corresponding increase in homeschool enrollment was 184,047 students."
Who regulates education? Parents yanking kids from failing public schools and choosing alternatives, like homeschooling, have taken on that regulatory role. They clearly care more about the responsibility than "professional" educators neglecting standards and promoting kids they haven't taught.
The flood of families looking for something better is why John Oliver put on his concerned face over homeschooling. But the flood is also why he has to acknowledge the legitimate concerns of homeschoolers, because the ranks of DIY-educating families have grown beyond early adopters to include people of all sorts of backgrounds and motivations, including some who might watch his show.
That a court jester for self-appointed elites is reduced to fretting over worst-case scenarios among homeschoolers while glossing over public school failures shows just how far battle lines have shifted between families and control freaks who, just recently, pushed to ban the practice.
For an (admittedly aging until I update it) list of homeschooling resources, check here.
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The young man who I have contracted to mow my yard is 13 years old and is homeschooled. This summer, he also worked as my assistant, doing construction projects. School did not quit during the summer. I was going to have him help with some ladder work and so I had him take the Warner online ladder safety test. His parents made sure he did it and passed. He was very attentive and helpful.
Just an anecdote but I regret sending my own kids to public schools.
Conservatives are funny critters. On most subjects, they refuse anything new. Example: clinging to ICE vehicles. But on some subjects, notably schools, they can't wait to throw the baby out with the bathwater. This must harken to a primeval distaste for "socialist" endeavors. Oddly enough, the United States wouldn't have reached its power and stature without public schools. But that doesn't matter to conservatives.
Do you revel in the fact that you support "power and stature", e.g., military violence that invokes international fear?
All "empires" have destroyed themselves using violence/fear/fraud.
No coercive govt. is moral, constructive, humane, sustainable.
Public (govt.) school indoctrinates in obedience, servitude, conformity. This is child abuse.
Not all home schooling families are conservative -- in fact, the movement has roots in hippie culture, to a degree.
But to address your point, universal compulsory government schooling is actually a pretty new phenom. If you consider America almost 400 years old, this practice has only been in place for a bit over a quarter of our history. If you think of the continent as being populated for over 15,000 years, then Dewey-style public schooling has been in place for about 1% of our history. It's a new experiment that has is clearly currently failing.
Democrat sheep are funny critters. On most subjects, they jump on the new scam. Example: clinging to Green energy scam vehicles. But on some subjects, old fashion hard work, they can’t wait to throw the baby out with the bathwater. This must harken to a primeval distaste for real American family values. Oddly enough, the United States wouldn’t have reached its power and stature without old fashion hard work. But that doesn’t matter to Democrat sheep.
Did you go to a government school to learn how to be a snotty, pig-ignorant, condescending prick like John Oliver, or did you get it from your parents?
-jcr
First you create a straw man you call "conservatives" - then you attribute to them opinions that no one actually holds - then you blame your own failures on the straw man's failure to support your interventions - and then you veer off into never-never land with some random conclusion not supported by any facts currently in evidence. Wow! No wonder democratic socialism has failed so spectacularly and you're looking so hard for someone else to blame!
Yes public schools in the past were better. Now they are horrible. Hey did you read that only 13% of high school graduates in public schools in Baltimore can read?
Maybe that's a one off..let's look at CA overall - from their own reading site.
"Reading is the most fundamental skill children must learn to succeed in school and in life. But today, 58% of California's third-graders are below grade level in reading. What's worse, among low-income students of color, over 75% read below grade level (let that sink in - 75%). Few ever catch up."
CA, which spends more money per child in the nation is horrible.
Why are you against choice? Wait, I know you think you are smarter than everyone. That people need your guidence.
The current ration of public schools ain’t what it used to be. Now days it is teachers unions looking for political influence, and teachers salary contract and making sure that kindergartners are asked to state their gender. That is about it. There are good teachers that actually want to teach kids vital knowledge; they soon quit.
Parents are in charge of their children. That sticks in the craw of LGBTQIAWMPANS justice warrior teachers but that is the red line they dare not cross.
On the subject of ICE vehicles. You are welcome to spend your money on a marvelous electric car. You are not welcome to insist that I follow your folly.
A comprehensive discussion of home-schooling requires awareness of the potential dark side. Monstrous child abuse (even child homicide) can be hidden in places where home-schooling is unmonitored. The same is true for domestic violence and coercive control (such as when a spouse is not allowed to work and is required to stay home with the children). These are not reasons to prohibit home-schooling, but they are problems that should not be ignored or minimized.
“TV host John Oliver is essentially a court jester for people who consider themselves political and cultural elites…” but are brainlets.
So instead of dismissing homeschooling entirely, they intend to “regulate” it, which I expect means cramming the progressive curriculum they have been pushing on public schools into a requitred homeschooling standards.
How do they justify the change of heart? “…there’s also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums and zero-tolerance policies in schools that disproportionately criminalize their kids at an early age.”
Ah, of course, racism in some benighted corners of America.
It is nice that the Left may not be outright opposing homeschooling, but it seems now their strategy is to infiltrate and control the institutions supporting homeschooling.
there’s also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums and zero-tolerance policies in schools that disproportionately criminalize their kids at an early age
I'm sure that's the reason and not the abysmal state of public schooling, particularly in black neighborhoods.
White progs don’t really want Black kids to get a quality education and compete with their own kids for spots at Ivies.
That not only sounds dumb but is dumb. How do you little people come up with these crazy ideas?
Whose sock is this?
That not only sounds dumb but is dumb. How do you democrat sheep come up with these crazy ideas?
It is nice that the Left may not be outright opposing homeschooling, but it seems now their strategy is to infiltrate and control the institutions supporting homeschooling.
That's why it's important to remember, contrary to what the center-right claims, that there isn't really anywhere that the left will "leave you alone," especially in blue states. The only way to prevent their entryism is to aggressively gatekeep your institutions, or separate from them entirely and make the new place so uniformly hostile to their ideology, and never take anything they claim at face value, that they decide the effort to be activists just isn't worth it. But that's any ongoing thing because these people are social parasites.
They already fked up charter schools in a bunch of states.
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"How do they justify the change of heart? “…there’s also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums and zero-tolerance policies in schools that disproportionately criminalize their kids at an early age.”"
Ya, this is the most transparent gaslight.
- curriculums aren't white washed, in fact most of them blatantly focus on how whitey was bad. Slavery a prime example. If you told a kid in America that the transatlantic slave trade was not only the less significant one in terms of numbers, but also almost everywhere in the world was participating in slavery (all kinds, but also African slavery) and the tiny portion that ended up in America, while horrible, was nothing compared to the death and mutilation that occurred on massive scale in the arab slave trade. Oh also, the slaves didn't just nicely present on the shore for sale, there was a system, put in place by African blacks, to capture and sell their fellow man that made the slave trade possible in the first place, and they fought to the death to KEEP it in place.
- the blacks kids that are "disproportionately criminalized" are committing crimes in disproportionately high numbers. Usually to other black kids
- policies aren't zero tolerance at all, they are overly lenient and allow repeat offenders to keep ruining the time/learning of well behaved kids
Its hilarious, its just one sentence, but it is the perfect microcosm of white saviorism, gaslighting, and the soft bigotry of low expectations all rolled into one big fat lie. Really a chef's kiss of NPR/MSNBC style propaganda.
Ill add to this, the problem with growing the number of black kids in home school is the problem at the heart of black culture in the US, in general:
You need 2 involved, dedicated parents in a home, to home school. One to work steadily to free up the other, the other to make sure they are doing a good thorough job of making sure their kids are getting access to the right stuff, and learning how to teach them.
Part of the success of kids that get homeschooled is just that they are almost guaranteed to have the main ingredient for success of the child: 2 loving parents that are working together. And this is something, very sadly, that is absent in black families in a disproportionate manner.
Something im sure fuckface John Oliver missed in his diatribe.
Let's start with the fact there's a lot of things John Oliver doesn't know.
"You demand people KNOW things? I can't believe my ears. It's [current year], how can people still be trying to force knowledge on others in [current year]. This is so regressive. I mean it's [current year]."
John Oliver is a meme.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/come-on-its-2015-current-year
Nobody should listen to Oliver about anything, especially comedy.
I will give him credit, he's so bad that it is almost funny.
One of those is that John Oliver is the Americanized version of Lord Haw Haw. Haw Haw was the UK's male version of Tokyo Rose, hanged for treason despite having become a naturalized German Reich citizen. The guy is useful for ridiculing Republican usurpations unpopular with Democrats.
The Medical Lake Washington school district failed to educate my special needs child. We home schooled. He didn't go on to college, but his peers at work assume he has a masters degree.
Didn't you get the memo? "Education is too important to be left in the hands of amateurs. Only the government can be trusted to do education right. If public schools have failed to do it right it's because we weren't allowed to spend enough tax money on buildings, football stadiums, teacher salaries, teacher retirement funds, textbooks, the new NEA educational theory programs of the year or special education babysitters!" Your own experience may vary ...
John Oliver is no longer relevant, if indeed he ever was.
I actually looked up who he was, some Brit who used to play minor roles on ”Daily Show”, now he’s got his own half ass John Stewart show on HBO.
Talk about 3rd string.
He's the guy that programs the NPCs. You'll never hear an NPC say anything that he didn't hear John Oliver say first.
That's a good summation of his media role. It seems a lot of the white Gen-Xers and older Millennials who consumed The Daily Show religiously during Stewart's run migrated over to Oliver's show, as it's basically NPR with a British accent.
He's the new Jon Stewart for DNC normies. When John Oliver speaks, they all nod in unison.
"Are kitchens the best lab for this kind of thing?"
No, but not everyone has woods to perform experiments in, outside of the watchful eye of mom and dad.
And there's also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums and zero-tolerance policies in schools that disproportionately criminalize their kids at an early age.
I like getting my news from people that make shit up out of whole cloth.
Yeah, "And there's also a growing number of black parents opting to homeschool due to whitewashed curriculums" - says the whitest person you know talking to the faithful audience of the whitest person you know.
I'd try to refute that statement, but...
Well, my natural pallor is somewhere between "alabaster" and "whiter than albino monkey cum"
That caught my eye immediately, it's complete and utter bullshit, and blacks are a tiny fraction of homeschooling.
Even funnier, black parents overwhelmingly support school choice (voucher) proposals, which are vehemently opposed by Oliver and his audience (and those who tell both what to think).
It’s hilarious how progs hold up public schools as an example of a government service we should all support. It would be like libertarians using Afghanistan as an example of limited government .
Or federal demands for tech companies to censor content as "exercising their first amendment rights."
Don't make me think badly of homeschooling...
Oliver's point is that no matter what, a way must be found for bureaucrats with clipoards to get men with guns into coercive mode. He does this with the "u" word Unregulated. To socialist or even mixed-economy zealots, the difference between unregulated and bomb-throwing communo-fascist anarchism is a matter of degree. Deregulation is the gateway drug that leads to harder stuff--including the chilling specter of children NOT being brainwashed into religious fanaticism or coercive political zealotry as the only possible alternatives.
John Oliver is so remarkably dishonest, smug, condescending, and either purposefully or truly ignorant, that I'm amazed his show is still a thing.
John Oliver is so remarkably dishonest, smug, condescending, and either purposefully or truly ignorant, that I’m amazed his show is still a thing.
You’re overestimating the IQ of his audience, and underestimating the popularity of being told what one wants to hear.
The success of crap like The View must really have you scratching your head.
Sadly, there's a market for that. Ever hear about a show called "The View"?
-jcr
who cares what this smug douche thinks? He's an entertainer.
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A reasonable compromise would be that homeschooled kids need to do as well on standardized test as kids in Baltimore public schools.
Or here's an interesting proposal for Randi Weingarten: homeschooling parents need to join the AFT teachers union. As long as the dues checks clear Randi would probably suddenly be pro-homeschooling.
A reasonable compromise would be that homeschooled kids need to do as well on standardized test as kids in Baltimore public schools.
So not being in a coma or a persistent vegetative state is completely optional.
I think Mr. Oliver has hit a nerve with the Reason crowd. Lol. Notice how similar all the criticisms are in the comments? Many of them accuse progressives of not thinking for themselves! Wait, who thinks alike, and who are the sheep? lolz.
P.S. This quote exemplifies projection from J.D.
“TV host John Oliver is essentially a court jester for people who consider themselves political and cultural elites…”
Great stuff everyone!
It's the only crowd he's hitting a nerve with...
The third most beautiful girl in the room, depending on the room...
I'm shocked that the 3rd most popular show on HBO is so low overall.
Meanwhile Bill Marr: #1 most popular show on HBO and 188th overall on TV, watched by a total number of 686,000 people (0.22% rating, down -14% from April 28) as of the daily audience measurement on September 29, 2023.
Yikes. Why does HBO bother with these shows?
they must be aired or they won't be aired.
You could be a part time model.
Imagine simping for a retarded TV personality.
The kitchen line is a typical laugh line that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I observe that a LOT of kids homeschool for religious reasons, but they've developed an infrastructure of online resources and part time schools that benefits everyone.
I would bet that a reasonably motivated parent and child could get a solid education just by watching Khan Academy videos.
Translation:
John Oliver and smug know nothing progressives see something is catching on, and are worried they have zero marketshare, and are very worried that will interfere with their indoctrination program.
After all, how can we ensure kids will blindly trust "the science" if instead they are taught how to use the actual scientific method?
Critical thinking and independent thought it kryptonite to these progs, and they are sounding the alarm
Who is this "we" who doesn't know how many homeschooled kids there are or what they're learning? Because I'm pretty sure those kids' parents have a handle on things.
I read the rest of the article after this from Tuccille expecting that he would explain why he is "pretty sure" that all homeschooled kids are learning and that their parents have "a handle on things." To my surprise, he did not. I was disappointed that someone that so often advocates for alternatives to public schools would fail at a basic aspect of critical thinking: providing a rational basis for believing that something is true. Instead, he just makes the claim and leaves it at that.
Then again, maybe I should not be surprised. If his rationale for supporting homeschooling is simple faith that parents will do what is best for their children with no need for verification of that, then he would not need to support his claim with any evidence. He will view that faith alone as sufficient if it was always the primary justification for his belief.
Jason, well said. I think you are looking for a reasoned response with evidence along the line of what I provided below citing objective evidence of the failures of public schools (run by the so-called 'experts') and the superior performance of homeschooled children.
It's no one else's business anyway.
Doesnt matter if some third party is tsk-tsking the way a kid is homeschooled. None of their fucking business.
The right for a child to be educated belongs to the child. Children are not property of the parents that they can do with whatever they want. What parental rights mean is that the parent or legal guardian is presumed to be in the best position and is the most motivated to see to a child's basic needs and education and to provide them with the opportunity to develop their best life as an adult. But a child's welfare is only none of our fucking business if we don't give a shit about the child. We all have an obligation to intervene if we suspect that a child is being neglected or abused. So the question becomes: Do we have some basic assessment for homeschooled children to ensure that their education isn't being neglected, or are we going to completely trust all parents homeschooling their children without reservation?
This question becomes even more important in states like Florida, that are putting taxpayer funds behind the education of all children not in public schools. Parents homeschooling their children there are eligible to receive funds for materials and activities at home, including electronics, money for field trips (which can include the state's theme parks), and so on. Is it taxpayers' business when homeschooling includes their money?
Evaluation of different education methods can only be done in the aggregate. If you're going to compare home to public school outcomes you have to look at populations. So if students home educated (as a population) are doing better academically than students who are publicly schooled, the call for more oversight is unjustified..
That doesn't mean there aren't individual home schooled students that home education is failing -- in a population of 2 million there certainly are. But there are demonstrably also thousands if not tens of thousands of publicly schooled students that are failed by that system. On an individual basis we should try to fix all of those cases, but if there are fewer failures per capita with home than with public school, again, reform needs to prioritize the system that is doing the most harm.
The temptation is to compare the poorly educated home schooler to the highly educated public schooler (or vice versa, depending on what you are trying to prove). The reality is that it's only Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average.
That's a lot of words to say that you think kids belong to the state.
No, it is your belief that there is nothing in the middle between no one but parents having control over a child's education and the state having total control over every child's education. That is why you didn't think about what I wrote and just assigned it to one of those two categories.
I think the fundamental problem with your post comes from this sentence: "So the question becomes: Do we have some basic assessment for homeschooled children to ensure that their education isn’t being neglected, or are we going to completely trust all parents homeschooling their children without reservation?" The problem with it is that we DO have a basic assessment for PUBLIC schools and they are by and large failing; education of students in public schools - especially in the cities is being neglected so it us unreasonable to say "home schooling is bad without assessment" without also saying "public schooling is demonstrably bad as shown by assessment".
The problem with it is that we DO have a basic assessment for PUBLIC schools and they are by and large failing
And if those assessments are good for that purpose, why not use them universally for all children, including those in private schools or being homeschooled? You make it sound like I am the one trying to avoid data on education, but as school choice gets implemented more and more in Republican states, we are seeing that they are doing next to nothing to collect data on how it is functioning. Florida has expanded its voucher programs widely, and despite years of reporting on how little accountability there has been in its system, state legislators still won't do anything about it. They don't want accountability, and they don't want data to exist that might show that it isn't helping poor students do better than they would have in public schools.
If they had confidence that the data would support their policies, then there would be every reason to want to collect it.
I don't think the purpose of this article is to advance an argument about the benefits of home schooling but to criticize Oliver's assumptions.
If you want data, there's a lot out there, Google will bring it to you quickly. Pretty absolutely universally the studies show home schooled students as a population score as well or (usually) much better on standardized testing than publicly (and normally privately) schooled students, and that they graduate college at much higher levels (graduation from college being a better metric of competence than entering college).
I've never seen a study dispute this, the only criticisms I've seen are the claim that selection bias is corrupting the data or that those gathering the data are advocates for home schooling so might not be objective.
I’ve never seen a study dispute this, the only criticisms I’ve seen are the claim that selection bias is corrupting the data or that those gathering the data are advocates for home schooling so might not be objective.
Selection bias doesn't corrupt the data. What it does do is limit the conclusions that can be drawn from the data. If the populations of homeschooled students, students attending private schools, and students attending public schools have different characteristics, then it is not valid to conclude that differences in outcomes are due to the different methods or systems of education.
Advocates for school choice do have a tendency to try and conclude that higher average scores for students in private schools or that are homeschooled than public schools shows that public schools are bad and thus we need school choice. But there are many more variables than just whether a student is in a public school, private school, or is homeschooled that lead to those results. At a minimum, we would need to be looking at populations of students that match in basic demographics, such as household income, single vs. two parents, parent education level, disabilities, English as a second language, etc.
Would you expect students with learning disabilities in low-income, single parent households where the parent did not finish high school to do as well homeschooling as students in middle class, two-parent households where both have college degrees? I certainly would not.
Anti-homeschoolers shot themselves in the foot with the supposed COVID-19 mitigation school policies.
BOTTOM LINE: By every objective measure homeschooled children outperform public school children: in academics, ethics, morality, civics, and work readiness. Public schools by their own measures are a failure.
The majority of students do not reach grade-level basic proficiency in reading and math. Only 3% of recent public school graduates can pass the basic citizenship competency test, which is ridiculously easy. You have to answer only 6 of 10 questions correctly to pass, the questions are easy such as: Who was the first President of the United States? Plus the test is MULTIPLE CHOICE!
With this level of incompetence, 'the experts' have no business getting anywhere near homeschooling. The fact is they shouldn't have anything to do with our children's education in any venue.
Only 3% of recent public school graduates can pass the basic citizenship competency test, which is ridiculously easy.
I looked it up. The hit I got from the search (Duckduckgo, if it matters, I stopped using Google years ago) said that it came from Timothy Goegein's recent book. Goeglein is an executive at Focus on the Family, a highly conservative (arguably fundamentalist) Christian organization with involvement in many "culture war" issues. Specifically, the article at The Daily Signal (a digital media outlet run by conservative think-tank, The Heritage Foundation) said:
Americans’ lack of historical knowledge is crippling the nation, says Timothy Goeglein, a senior official with the Christian group Focus on the Family.
In his new book “Toward a More Perfect Union: The Moral and Cultural Case for Teaching the Great American Story,” Goeglein discusses a survey conducted among public high school students that revealed that only 3% could pass a U.S. citizenship test.
So, the evidence is one survey of some public high school students somewhere, and none of the details of who conducted the survey are given in that article. Presumably, you need to buy the book to find out more.
That is not how one looks for evidence under the scientific method. Something that those of us that are experts in science education understand.
Comparing public education to any education outside of the system is difficult and usually not an apples to apples comparison. They are not the same groups of children, statistically. Even public charter schools are not quite the same, as there is a high degree of self-selection for involved parents.
Take a public high school of 3000 kids and randomly select 300 to be homeschooled. Then you'd have the kind of randomized groups that would allow for comparison. But then both groups would need to be assessed in the same way. That is something that is not happening in any fashion now, and that was a main point of Oliver's segment.
Here you go, took me about three minutes. Went to my public library site, checked the book's preview out as an ebook, searched "citizenship" and found the paragraph reference, here is a news report on the study referenced, with info on who and how.
Not really controversial, actually as there have been a large number of cutesy news stories about how most Americans can't pass the citizenship test.
More concerning are stats (check Snopes) about literacy -- half of young people over 16 can't read past the 6th grade level. Over 80% of those in juvenile prison systems are functionally illiterate. By some counts a quarter of high school graduates (not dropouts) in the D.C. area can't read well enough to fill out a job application.
There's really very little doubt that the public school system is failing to educate well very, very large populations of American students. Give me one stat that shows it is overall doing a good job, I haven't seen one in years.
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There’s really very little doubt that the public school system is failing to educate well very, very large populations of American students. Give me one stat that shows it is overall doing a good job, I haven’t seen one in years.
I'm trying to stay focused here. I am not making arguments related to how good or bad public schools are. John Oliver's show on homeschooling was specifically claiming that homeschooling is not regulated much at all and that we don't know enough about how effective it is. Tuccille takes issue with that, but doesn't provide data to counter it. Sure, I could spend my time to research it myself, but Tuccille is the one that is the professional writer and gets his articles published by Reason. He should go first.
And when he accepts homeschooling as a potentially beneficial practice
Which is not at all what he did. Read the list of reasons that he claims people are choosing to homeschool (all of which are bullshit) and it's clear that he's just using the phenomenon as fabricated evidence for the parade of horribles he listed.
Oliver is a clown and a pathological liar.
Well, with such a strongly-supported argument such as yours, I can easily understand why people think you're retarded.
Have you seen how badly public schools in Baltimore are performing? He's right.
Fuck John Oliver. He should move back to England and their home dentistry.
Why are we accepting Oliver's premise here? Home education is actually regulated in every state, to one degree or another. Last I looked, the lowest regulatory bar was Texas, which I believe suggests some subjects and does not require parent inform the state about their choice. States like my own say families must give a written 14 day notice to home school and must evaluate their kids using a standardized test or outside approved evaluator every two years (and return to school if they don't hit a basic level of education). Some require families to teach a certain number of hours in the year and some require certain subjects to be covered. In the most stringent states, families have to actually submit plans and materials to their local schools and get approval to home school.
The only area home education falls short in oversight is in those cases where the label is a lie -- where families call themselves home schoolers to avoid scrutiny for abuse and neglect. This is not, however, something any kind of home school regulation can address as it is not a home school problem but a domestic abuse problem. Unfortunately, our systems for preventing and punishing domestic abuse are as broken as our school systems are.
"Snotty pseudo-intellectual bootlicking cunt sneers at parents who decline to obey government indoctrination orders, film at 11".
Fuck John Oliver, and fuck anyone who pretends he's funny.
-jcr
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