The Government Won't Shut Down
Shutdowns don't meaningfully reduce the size or cost of government, but they also aren't the end of the world.

Asked last week about the possibility that the federal government could shut down, Pentagon press secretary Sabrina Singh described it as "the worst thing that could happen."
Coming from a flack for the part of the government that is supposed to plan for what to do in the event of a nuclear war, that description seems just a little hyperbolic.
Well, there's some good news for Singh: The federal government won't shut down after all.
At least not until November 15.
With the scheduled shutdown just hours away, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) pushed a 45-day continuing resolution through the House of Representatives on Saturday afternoon despite the opposition of 90 fellow Republicans (and one Democrat). The Senate passed the same bill in an 88-9 vote on Saturday night, and President Joe Biden has indicated he will sign it.
The continuing resolution keeps overall spending levels at 2023 levels, though it does not resolve the impasse over whether Congress will continue supplying military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine. That funding was left out of the final bill, but House Democrats released a statement Saturday saying they expected McCarthy to hold an up-or-down vote soon on a separate bill to fund the Ukrainian efforts.
In remarks to the media after the House vote, McCarthy criticized the group of Republicans who had blocked various attempts to pass spending bills.
"If you have members in your conference who won't let you vote for appropriations bills…and will not vote for a stop-gap measure so the only option is to shut down and not pay our troops—I don't want to be a part of that team," McCarthy said.
Others were less diplomatic. "We're tired of fucking around with these whack jobs," Rep. Don Bacon (R–Neb.) told Politico.
While governing 45 days at a time is pretty silly, the last-minute passage of the short-term continuing resolution was probably the least stupid way for this drama to end—for now.
It prevents the theatrics of a shutdown from distracting from the actual issue: the cost of the federal budget and the unsustainability of the government's borrowing. But it's also a short enough time period that it can keep those issues front and center in Washington.
For various reasons, a shutdown was not a particularly attractive option for meaningfully reducing the size or cost of government. As Reason's Liz Wolfe explained earlier this week, most of the government would actually have continued operating even without a budget bill or continuing resolution.
And we know from history that shutdowns don't really save money. After the record 35-day shutdown that ended in January 2019, the Congressional Budget Office found that about $18 billion in federal spending was delayed—less than half of one percent of the $4.4 trillion spent that year. The actual savings were even less, since half of that total was the result of not paying federal employees for five weeks, which means they were immediately wiped out when the government reopened and those workers got their back pay.
The Republican holdouts were hoping to use the threat of a shutdown to force some reductions in discretionary spending. But there was little indication from any side that the threat of a shutdown was going to address the entitlement costs that are driving the growing federal budget deficit.
"This crisis was the fault of House Republican leadership, who stalled on bringing up a passable package until today, forcing a last-minute scramble just hours before a potential shutdown. Such recklessness is no way to govern," Steve Ellis, president of Taxpayer for Common Sense, a fiscal conservative nonprofit, said in a statement. "The question now is whether legislators can put aside their differences to pass comprehensive spending bills in a timely manner."
If the government had shut down on Sunday morning, it wouldn't have been the dramatically disruptive event that so many in the media and bureaucracy wanted to portray it as. But it wouldn't have been a step toward solving America's fiscal problems either. What happens between now and November will be crucial.
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The government is like Jason, it can’t ever be killed.
Unfortunately, when governments fall it is generally not good. And I am not sure many want to go back to the pregovernment days when humans were hunter gatherers.
Stopping spending =/= falls.
At worst we’d be knocked back a hundred years or so.
Wrong . He was napping under Argo's stern when it collapsed and crushed him to death.
If only OSHA had been around back then.
Gay.
Shutdowns never solve the problem of too much government spending. That can only really be done by hard work and that is not something the Congress seems willing to do these days. Lots of talk about spending but few willing to really get down to looking at realistic cuts.
This round of the looming shutdown was particularly strange in that there did not seem to be a real focus on where the difficulties were, rather it just seemed like anarchists in Congress just wanted the government shutdown.
Shut downs literally stop government spending. At least for non essential. Which should be cut outright.
They literally don't stop government spending. They pause it and put federal employees on furlough, and everyone gets that money paid back once the funding bill gets passed. That money that isn't spent during the shutdown gets spent immediately when the shutdown ends.
I suppose there are a few tiny things that will be actually saved and not simply paid later, e.g. less toilet paper used in the Smithsonian restrooms.
However, every Smithsonian employee will eventually get all their paychecks, all the building upgrades will still done eventually, all the major equipment purchases will still be made, and the contracts will still be let. Some of it might even cost more than it would have otherwise, it’s like a car dealer offering “no payments for six months”. You will still pay full price for that car. At least.
However, the shutdown is not a bad thing. For a few weeks, regulators aren’t dreaming up regulations, busybodies aren’t making people miserable, and traffic is not as bad near federal buildings. At the margins, a few employees will quit because they hae no savings and need money right now, and we can hope their replacements will have less seniority and thus less pay.
The problem is out of control spending.
The “anarchists” diagnosed the problem completely.
…but Ukraine might suffer, so we have to spend more billions.
Start putting elected officials in prison for corruption and you’ll see government spending decrease.
What a disingenuous statement. What ‘hard work’ is going to get done when the democrats, and their RINO collaborators won’t budge one penny off of $6 trillion + budgets, while demanding massive spending increases every year?
If you want to see where the problem begins, go look in a mirror. Me, I’m for for gutting the budget.
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...it just seemed like anarchists in Congress just wanted the government shutdown.
So their heart was in the right place.
As Reason's Liz Wolfe explained earlier this week, most of the government would actually have continued operating even without a budget bill or continuing resolution.
Democracy is a fucking scam, why even bother to vote when your representatives don't do a damn thing.
Kings would be infinitely preferable.
Which is why the Democrats claim of "trying to save democracy" (by, of course, eliminating political rivals AND empowering utterly unaccountable bureaucrats) is utter bullshit.
Remove civil service protections and return to the spoils system where SOMEBODY is responsible for what the bureaucracy does. Challenge where Congress has the power to determine how a different branch employs its own employees.
Look in the collective mirror. We elect people to represent our interests. The second any cut affects us and “we” scream bloody murder.
Sounds like even more of a reason to ditch elections.
Sounds like even more of a reason to ditch elections.
Sure, that sounds great as long as you can be sure that you'll agree with whoever ends up with power.
When people talk about not liking democracy, they are being transparent that they really just don't like being on the losing side.
Not at all. Democracy's greatest weakness (which is unironically held up as a strength) is it's inertial-ness.
A system with fewer points of failure means easier change.
What kind of system do you envision then? Democracy has the easiest method of change of all. People vote for someone different. No need for violence, mass demonstrations, general strikes, or whatever else you see in unstable countries that cause the government to change.
If you wish to say that nothing really changes when people vote in a different government, then that's just cynical special pleading. It isn't an argument for any other system.
Let AI run the government. It can calculate your taxes (no IRS agents required), deduct what you owe from your accounts, send out checks/deposits to approved recipients (SS, etc.) Cutting federal employment by about 95% would save a lot of money.
We kinda of have that with Obama and Biden EOs (Trump somewhat).
I don't need Congress. My EO can do everything.
Others were less diplomatic. "We're tired of fucking around with these whack jobs," Rep. Don Bacon (R–Neb.) told Politico.
I'm with this guy. Except I mean all of them in Washington.
I tend to agree = all of them in DC
Don Bacon, protecting the pork. Seems the whack jobs want to cut spending.
The only factual information in this entire piece was some numbers from 2019. Even Reason called that a “shutdown” after giving the opinion that nothing much was actually shut down. The rest of the piece was someone’s opinion about the process, and after saying it wasn’t that big a deal it was then alleged that the next forty-five days would be crucial. Maybe I don’t understand what crucial means? In previous pieces Reason writers have claimed that Congress hasn’t passed comprehensive spending bills required by their own rules in a few decades, resorting to “continuing resolutions” to keep the pork barrel spending flowing. Other fake crises have included raising the debt ceiling (another artificial rule they created for themselves not required by the Constitution.) And somewhere in all this Reason seems to have lost sight of the threat by the few Republicans who seem to be at least trying to hold back the tide that they could vote McCarthy’s speakership up or down if he fails to keep his agreement with them. I’m interested in your opinions folks – but I’d much rather have a comprehensive recitation of the facts and a little less random unsupported opinion, m’kay?
Agreed. Overall I like McCarthy, but THIS should lead to his ouster.
And we need a President with the balls to tell Congress "If you send me an Omnibus bill to fund the government, I will veto it. You have dictated how you will pass budgets and you will abide by the law you created."
The problem is the reason Congress loves omnibus bills is that they include "must pass" appropriations as well enough pork for everyone, so they pass with near-unanimous consent. Meaning overriding a veto is a simple measure.
What we need are members of Congress with the balls to not vote for omnibus bills, even if it means the stuff they want doesn't pass on its own. But that won't happen, anyone who doesn't send home the pork doesn't get reelected.
McCarthy can fuck off back to Bakersfield for this one, he’s going to be lucky to retain his office, let alone his speakership.
Then him and Tom Mclintock can spend the rest of their careers as beacons of leadership in California’s Republican Party.
Wonderful. We’ll be so much better off with Hakeem Jeffries.
It's a question of whether you want to bankrupt the Federal government sooner while there's still something left to recover with; or later after the infrastructure has deteriorated so far that we have nothing left with which to rebuild. I'm not seeing much difference between the two otherwise.
Passage of it likely leads to a shutdown in November. His caucus is livid over his deal with Democrats over it and will be far less likely to support it next time.
It's like watching a gang of bank robbers divide up their fair-shares. The bigger the robbery the more fighting that goes on about it.
More like watching a bunch of spoiled children deciding how to spend an allowance they don't have.
"The Government Won't Shut Down"
Well, damn!
The fascist Democrats want a shutdown for political reasons. They want to be able to say that the Republicans are at fault because the Republicans didn't give the Democrats everything that they want. The fascist Democrats want a shutdown so much that one of them pulled a fire alarm to disrupt the House vote ( this is something the Democrats have claimed is an act of insurrection for the last three years.) So what will happen to Rep. Bowman for this criminal act?
The fascist Democrats want a shutdown for political reasons.
Then why did they vote against one, bozo?
The fascist Democrats were demanding delays on procedural grounds because a 71 page CR was too long to read in less than three days and then one of them was so desperate to delay the vote he pulled a fire alarm. Then there was the US Senator that delayed a vote in the Senate by putting a hold on it( apparently unhappy that it didn't include Ukraine funding) and only released the hold when promised a separate vote on Ukraine funding.
The Democrats want the shutdown but they want to be able to blame Republicans and that is kind of hard to do if it's your caucus that votes down the CR.
And how did the Democrats actually vote when push came to shove?
Did the fascist Democrats try to delay the vote? A simple yes or no please.
Did a Democratic senator place a hold on the House passed CR? Again a yes or no please.
And as I said in my previous post the Democrats want the shutdown but they don't want to be blamed for it. They tried to stop it, including pulling a fire alarm, but admitted defeat when it came time to be put on the record and voted for it.
Did the fascist Democrats try to delay the vote? A simple yes or no please.
No. A Democrat or two tried. But the Democrats didn't, nor are they fascists.
Did a Democratic senator place a hold on the House passed CR? Again a yes or no please.
Yes.
Did the majority of Senate Democrats vote for the bill. Yes or no?
Did the majority of House Democrats vote for the bill. Yes or no?
Was McCarthy forced to get Democratic support for the bill in the House because of right-wing members who were voting against it? Yes or no?
but evidently you're one of those partisan clowns who finds a way to blame everything on the Democrats regardless of facts, blaming the Democrats for letting the GOP fuck up.
Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffries gave an almost hour long speech to delay things and Democrats offered a resolution to shut the House down until Monday ( voted down).
And as I have said several times already the Democrats wanted a shutdown but they wanted to be able to blame the Republicans and when that became impossible they voted for the CR.
Edit to add a Democrat also pulled a fire alarm to disrupt the House vote.
Thanks for torpedoing pantomime Shreek’s bullshit talking points.
“Did the fascist Democrats try to delay the vote? A simple yes or no please.”
Not from Diet Shrike, you won’t.
He answered. Not honestly but he did answer.
I'd ask how what Bowman was, in any way, different than 1/6.
He sought to interfere with government proceedings illegally.
He will be protected by Democratic privilege.
Even the Constitution has its limits. You can't pull a fire alarm in a crowded theater.
We need to get rid of the establishment media. As in shutting them down and throwing most of them in prison. They’re a powerful weapon wielded by the Marxist democrats, and it has emboldened their ongoing treason.
Amd I don’t want to hear any bullshit about ‘freedom of the press’. In what universe are NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, CNN, network news, etc. ‘press’ anymore? They’re the fascistic version of Pravda, and have no right to exist.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/403166/americans-trust-media-remains-near-record-low.aspx
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- At 34%, Americans' trust in the mass media to report the news "fully, accurately and fairly" is essentially unchanged from last year and just two points higher than the lowest that Gallup has recorded, in 2016 during the presidential campaign.
Just 7% of Americans have "a great deal" of trust and confidence in the media, and 27% have "a fair amount." Meanwhile, 28% of U.S. adults say they do not have very much confidence and 38% have none at all in newspapers, TV and radio. Notably, this is the first time that the percentage of Americans with no trust at all in the media is higher than the percentage with a great deal or a fair amount combined.
As they are all propagandist surrogates for the democrat party, a legitimate case can be made for a multitude of criminal charges for violations of federal election laws. And given the recent use of the RICO statutes against Trump, perhaps aggressive prosecution under RICO is also in order.
The gloves have to come off. The leftist media has to go. Waiting for them to go out of business won’t work.
Btw shutdowns could lead to spending reforms if Republicans weren't so cowardly about being blamed for them and instead actually argued for why spending reforms were needed. So if instead of apologizing for shutdowns they actually made their case something might get accomplished.
As I said above, get rid of the media so democrats no longer have that weapon at their disposal.
We don't need spending reforms. We need to cut spending back to 2018 levels (just 5 years ago), which would balance the budget immediately.
Those clowns, who ‘represent us’ are going to take credit for fixing a problem they have created. All they have done is delay the problem for another round of “shutdown mania” in 45 days. The problem in Washington is the leeches that the populous vote into office and accepting their abuses of power.
Having such a short time before the next round may end up backfiring on them. Usually there's a few years between one of these charades, but if they start having them every few weeks many more people will notice that they're all fake and follow the same script every time.
People will notice! Hahahahahahaha
I bet we could solve this problem with enough grizzly bears.
Let’s round up Mike, Tony, Shreek, Sarc, and a few of their fellow travelers amongst the commentariat and put them all in a locked room with a bear. Then let nature take its course. I would throw Pedo Jeffy in too, but he might be seen as a potential mate.
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I have no objections to Jeff getting fucked by a grizzly bear.
I am somewhat skeptical the bear could get it up, given Jeffy’s annoying sophist droning. At least the bear could live off Jeffy’s blubber for a whole winter.
Thousands upon thousands of federal employees shout "Nooooooooo! We wanted a paid vacation!"
To those who naively believe that shutdowns save money, you're wrong.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/28/government-shutdown-financial-costs-money/
Though I assume anyone who disagrees will attack the Washington Post and ignore the article, followed by some personal attack. Who know who you are.
All of the ranting in the comments shows why this keeps happening. It all comes down to how much people hate the other side. If the legislative process is broken, then it is because people keep voting for candidates that will break it. Dan Crenshaw was right years ago when he talked about "performance artists" and "grifters" in Congress. (And he was talking about those in his own party on the right.) They look to get attention which they can translate into donations rather than to actually do any governing.
You democrats deserve all the hatred you’ve incurred, and so much more.
I don't think you could prove my point more strongly if you tried.
You're right that people vote for politicians who break the legislative process: Democrats who vote along party lines rather than for the good of their constituents or the country. It's only and always Republicans who are expected to cross the aisle to get bills passed. (Except for the rare renegade like Joe Manchin who gets cast as personally the second coming of Donald Trump.)
While I do agree that Dems are a problem in general, Republicans have been the party of voting lock-step along party lines for the last 50 odd years. Dems can't cooperate worth a bag of wet cats , which is why they lose. This is Manchin's whole shtick; Sinema is his mini-me.
You are getting your labels crossed.
I see. Party discipline is only a virtue when it is your side sticking together. When the other side holds firm in order to achieve the party's goals, it is at the expense of what is good for the country. John McCain bucks his party and he is a RINO that hates Trump. Manchin is sincere and is unfairly vilified by Democrats. Do you understand that there is a mirror image for every argument you can make about how the other side is the one that deserves scorn?
You are begging the question here. What is good for their constituents or their country is something reasonable people can and will disagree about. It is the purpose of representative government to debate that and make a decision. Sometimes one or both parties will be convinced that they have the right answer and the other side is wrong and they will stick together to try and implement their answer. Other times, the debate occurs within one or both parties as much as it does between them. We should focus on the merits of these debates and not which side is good or bad.
You’re the bad guy. How is that not clear to you?
I am saying that framing democratic debate as which side is good or bad isn't about trying to govern effectively for the benefit of the people. It is about picking a side and cheering it on and hating the opposition. How is that not clear to you?
Here's a thought. No more omnibus bills. One bill, one subject, one up/down vote. No more piling a lump of shit together consisting of 3500 pages of crap no one reads just so you can get your little pet project funded. Do your damn jobs Congresspeople.
The problem with that idea is that no one budgets that way. Not individuals, not businesses, and not governments. At least, no one with any intelligence budgets that way. Figuring out and sticking to a budget means weighing spending options against each other and deciding which ones are more important so that you don't end up spending more than you have. Thus, most government spending should be done in one package.
The problem with legislative spending in Congress is that the ability to borrow means that they don't enough care to do that last part.
Now, I would be in favor of legislative rules that say that no spending outside of the main budget and appropriations bill can be attached to another bill that isn't necessary to implement the goal of that bill. That is, you can't fund a library in district X of state Y in a bill about highway safety.
But even then, legislative rules only work if legislators have enough incentive to stick to them. Voters don't do enough to hold them to rules, though. Most voters are too busy voting against the other side to make sure that candidates on their side have any integrity.
Democrats in control - " basically you common people aren't smart enough to run your life. We, your government betters, will decide everything. Oh we do need more taxes. Debt isn't bad when we are in charge"
Republicans in control - "well now that people have free stuff/regs that Dems put in we can't take that away. Let's cut taxes but not spending. Let's go more in debt"
Middle of the road people - you both suck. Balance the budget.
you common people aren’t smart enough to run your life.
There's a lot of truth in that, but authoritarianism is a dreadful solution.
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