California Was Once a Land of Boundless Opportunity. That's No Longer True.
The state's population stagnation is likely to continue for decades as younger people flee for opportunities elsewhere.

After spending late summer in a picturesque town in the Pacific Northwest, I'm eager to get home to California and enjoy the sunshine and warm weather. But it's not just the climate that I miss. There's something fabulous about our varied scenery. The drive past Mount Shasta and into the Central Valley always stirs my heart. And I love the spirit of California, with its diversity of people, cuisine and cultures—as well as its fascinating Gold Rush history.
The state always beckoned me, so much so that when I was offered a job in Orange County in the 1990s I accepted it immediately and then had to break the news to my shell-shocked wife. Even then, the home prices were daunting compared to the rest of the country—an imbalance that only has gotten more pronounced in the ensuing 25 years as slow-growth regulations took hold and led to a consistent underbuilding of new housing units.
I still remember poring over The Orange County Register's classifieds (remember classified ads?) and finally found a house we could afford. We drove down the street. There were bars on most windows, sketchy characters hanging out and graffiti on buildings. Despite my wife's fears that we traded our serene Midwestern life for a scene from a crime drama, we eventually bought a home, raised three kids, and acclimated to the lifestyle.
And it is a pretty great lifestyle. I've since visited every one of the state's 58 counties and virtually every city and town of any note. My brain understands why so many friends and neighbors have moved to Texas, Arizona, and Florida, but my heart doesn't.
It's time for state policymakers to recognize what's going on and cop to their complicity in the continuing outmigration of people who, I suppose, mostly love the state as much as I do. "California has long beckoned with its coastal beauty and bustle—the magnetic pull of Hollywood, the power of Silicon Valley," explained a recent New York Times article. "That allure helped make it a cultural, economic and political force. For 170 years, growth was constant and expansion felt boundless."
The article centered on new population figures: By 2020, California officials expected our population to soon reach 40 million—and they expected another 10 million people in the coming decade. When I was born in 1960, California had a population of less than 16 million people. When I moved here, it had more than doubled to 33 million—having gained far more than the current total population of my home state of Pennsylvania.
California's rapid growth infused every policy discussion. It went hand in hand with the sense of opportunity that built our culture. As recently as 2017, the state had gained 300,000 people year over year, but the numbers were slowing. We were edging closer to the 40-million mark, but the state no longer was a magnet for other Americans. The growth came mostly from births and immigration.
Lawmakers dismissed the impact of the California Exodus, whereby many Californians—tired of the high taxes, unaffordable home prices, in-your-face progressive politics, and meddlesome regulations—moved to states with laissez-faire policies. Then after the 2020 Census the slowing growth turned to actual declines. Lawmakers blamed COVID deaths (as if other states hadn't experienced the same pandemic). Now the decline trend is obvious.
Per the Times, "The state lost more people than it gained in each of the last three years and shrank to less than 39 million people. Recent data released by the state Finance Department now offers a stunning prediction: The population could stagnate for the next four decades." Endless growth isn't necessarily a good thing in and of itself, but it toys with our self-esteem. I've lived in declining cities in the Midwest, and let's just say that optimism is in short supply there.
Sadly, this trend is entirely self-imposed. I'm not saying our leaders don't love California, too, but their zeal for expanding government, quashing entrepreneurship, and their focus on social engineering at the expense of basic governance has taken its toll.
They forget a key point: California's appeal had always been its blank-slate appeal to people who have new ideas and want to escape the stodgy, encrusted attitudes of the states and countries that they have fled. But you can't try new ideas in a place where overly powerful bureaucracies crush entrepreneurial ideas and regulate every aspect of our lives.
The population figures show that young, wealthy people are now fleeing California, too. Older people who own homes and are heading toward retirement mostly are staying, but the California Dream was never about turning this place into a giant retirement home. California was a land of boundless opportunity. That's no longer true. Barring some political disruption, I suspect the Times is right that this means decades of stagnation despite the state's inherent wonders.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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The weather is really fantastic, and the landscape beautiful.
Unfortunately that can't make up for the clown world that the people there made it.
The past few years, with the backdrop of COVID, in a nice little city in a mostly red state have been paradise. Ill take the hot summers and humidity for not having to deal with authoritarians purposefully ruining citizens' lives
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See? Doesn't matter if you're in California.
And that highlights the failure of the libertarian 'foot voting' approach to bad government. Yes, foot voting can be a viable way to better your own situation. If you don't like the oppressive policies in CA, move somewhere better. But 'foot voting' can be exploited to drive out all the troublemakers so the entrenched elites can enjoy those natural resources in peace.
Foot voting is a temporary solution. At some point, you have to stand up to totalitarians and rewater the Tree of Liberty.
Huh? The California government makes really awful economic decisions, but how in the world have they earned the label, “totalitarians”?
Throwing the word “totalitarians” around casually is an insult to all the people who suffer and have suffered in places like East Germany and North Korea.
Also, foot voting is incredibly effective because of brain drain. Enough brains and productive people drain away, there goes any peaceful prosperity to enjoy.
The results are the same, but we don’t want to insult people by using bad words.
"All within the state, none outside the state, none against the state" seems like a pretty good description of California.
As an immigrant who suffered in one of those places, your concern trolling on my behalf is touching: knock it off, you a--hole.
"your concern trolling on my behalf is touching"
Some people call Mike a one-trick pony, but he actually has two tricks, sealioning and concern trolling.
Passed in 2020, the law required companies to have from one to three board members who self-identify as a member of an "underrepresented community," which includes Asian, Black, Latino, Native American, and Pacific Islander individuals, as well as those who are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.A
That's one, tiny example of totalitarianism, Sam Harris. California government is authoritarian in the totality of everything they do. Or was that guy being arrested for paddleboarding alone during the lockdown just something that happened to other people?
Sam Harris
Apt.
It’s not cool to trivialize the word, totalitarian.
its also not cool to trivialize and normalize totalitarianism, but there CA govt is doing it every day
Uh huh. Whatever.
Noted.
The label comes from the suspicion that the people in charge would stop at nothing to get their way, but have not had to resort to totalitarianism only because they've gotten their way without it, so far. I hope that suspicion is not true. However, I think even most totalitarians in such a situation don't believe themselves to be totalitarian until they're confronted with the choice of being one or conceding on important matters. There's no way to tell how many of them are ruthless enough to act totalitarian.
Don’t agree. Look at someone like Putin, who came up through the East German secret police. He is clearly a sadist who enjoys dominating and destroying others.
Interesting how back in the 80s the left would have adored him for the things he did.
How is anyone supposed to "stand up to the totalitarians" once they've established a one-party system in which the party leadership prevents the "troublemakers" from getting onto the primary ballots except in the ghettos of the small number of districts where the "opposition" party has been allowed to keep a permanent super-minority of their own safe districts?
Ask the former owners of a restaurant called Tinhorn Flats in Burbank about the results of civil disobedience (they refused to stop patrons from eating at outdoor tables on their premises when the state re-instated a ban on outdoor dining at restaurants). Or check out the news coverage of the anti-mandate protests in Orange County; what chance has peaceful protest got if the rest of the world is told it's being done for the purpose of killing thousands (if not millions) just for killing's sake.
California would be lovely without the Californians. Though I suppose that applies to the rest of America as well.
I wonder what could have changed in California that could have caused all this, I mean we know the political parties are absolutely identical so that can’t be it.
The parties in CA aren't exactly identical, but it hardly matters now that the state has been firmly entrenched into a one-party system, and one in which the only two things that ever take anyone out of office in Sacramento are term limits death and either way, they're replaced by another ideological clone since the State Party leadership basically controls the primaries and the districts are gerrymandered to the point where the primary is the only hope of making any kind of change.
In general, the state has been regressing since the Dems consolidated absolute power, but the current version of the state GOP can hardly be said to be connected to anything like the solution to what's been made wrong with the governance of the state. Underbuilding of new housing has been pretty universally consistent through the State for decades longer than it's been under one-party rule; the plan to deliberately underbuild in Los Angeles in an attempt to slow down population growth began in 1972, and even Orange County (where the GOP actually has significant control of county/city governments) has been doing the same since at least the 1990s.
The most livable remaining part of the state might actually be the central coast, since they're able to somewhat fly under the radar of Sacramento and aren't subject to much control from either the "southern" leftists in L.A. or the "northern" leftists in the Bay Area/Sacramento area, so the actual liberalism that's somehow now come to be labelled as "alt-right" (or at least alt-right adjacent) hasn't been choked out at its roots.
The 60's hippies destroyed california and keep chewing on the bones to this day.
Charlie Manson approves.
As did the Beverley Hillbillies.
Those supposedly freewheeling, not stodgy people voted for this. The disconnect between what you think California was and what it has made itself to be is immense. The population of California chose those politicians. They made it an essentially one party state where elections for for offices like Senator are between different Democrats with no real difference between them
This is a self-inflicted wound, and California would impose its self-destructive behavior on the rest of the nation.
See, here's the thing that also many "libertarians" don't understand: living in a free society requires a lot of discipline.
E.g. drug legalization is possible when almost everybody simply wouldn't touch drugs. Private health insurance is possible when almost everybody is financially prudent and plans ahead.
People who simply reject "the man" will never be able to create a free society.
"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams.
It was one of Adams’ blind spots that he thought having religious beliefs necessarily makes people more ethical.
Our current social experiment suggests Adams was not wrong.
How so? How would more religious belief make our country better?
Look at you, or Buttplug, or Jeff… You cast off what you thought were restrictive religious beliefs only to adopt new, far worse ones.
"How would more religious belief"
I dunno, ask the COVIDians to explain that one to you. We have a bunch of Christians, a couple jews, and a mormon at work, and not a single one of them is devout or participates in as many silly religious rituals as the cult of Fauci or Gaia....and I that includes the guy with the magic underwear...
Huh? That didn't seem like an actual answer to my question.
Religious belief is basically just widely accepted secular moral theory packaged up in a way that is easy to communicate.
That is, Christianity packages up ideal observer theory, virtue ethics, and contractualist ethics and communicates it in a way in which people can relate to it.
Furthermore, it does so while largely rejecting any form of supernatural belief, except mythological stories from the distant past.
Any Westerner who rejects Christian ethics automatically rejects the foundations of human rights and liberty.
Uh, no on all counts. Start again.
Typical fascist: knows nothing and hates Christianity
I was a Christian once, so I know whatof I speak.
And I am no Fascist, as any of my brawls with Herr Misek. mtruman, Tony, and other Totalitarians can attest.
Look worldwide, and you'll see religious beliefs are no proof against oppression.
Religion isn't really a thing in itself. It's just one pot into which a society pours its product. If God tells the bosses something they don't like, they remake God.
Nothing is completely proof against oppression, but there is not much about irreligious belief and hedonsism s that provides much resistance against it. Having no standard of virtue makes for no firm ground to stand on to resist.
People without religious belief are not necessarily hedonists and there are plenty of religious hedonists. There are solid practical arguments against hedonism.
It’s much better to base one’s ethics on logical consideration of how one’s actions will affect other individuals and society, and deference to ethics that have evolved traditionally, than just following some moral code thoughtlessly based on “because I say so” from an old book or a religious authority figure.
I agree. And Christianity has two millennia of logical considerations of how one's actions will affect other individuals and society; that is what Christian ethics and morality is based on. That kind of logic and analysis forms the foundation of Western societies.
You thoughtlessly live in ignorance of this and reject it.
So why didn't Christianity create anything even vaguely resembling a free society 2000 years ago?
Get back to mowing your lawn in Stepford.
True, and religion has often been used as a tool of oppression and control.
Non-religious societies are really a very new thing in human history, so I think it's really hard to say at this point whether we're in some weird aberration, or a real shift in how people operate. And whether there really is a viable alternative.
It’s funny when people think they are smarter than people who made actual history.
You sure you want to go with that?
What do you mean? We're making history right now.
He was speaking statistically, not individually ("necessarily").
And the past half century has proven him right.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle.
Define "ethical".
I stole this from some website: "Derived from the Greek word 'ethos', which means 'way of living', ethics is a branch of philosophy that is concerned with human conduct, more specifically the behaviour of individuals in society."
relating to moral principles or the branch of knowledge dealing with these.
Now things are getting tricky. "Moral" principles.
As an atheist, I'm having an increasingly difficult time working those out.
It can be hard.
John Adams' wife agreed.
She agreed with her husband or with me?
With you.
Smart woman!
It certainly was true of Adolf Hitler. His actual speeches (unlike the cartoons) dripped more mystical Christian altruism than any three Murrican televangelists. True, the guy was by 1943 an ex-post facto embarrassment to Silvershirts, Bundists, Ku-kluxers, Firsters, Coughlinites, Republicans and Prohibition Party stalwarts. But look around and observe; the same mentality has again dominated the Gee-Oh-Pee since the day Black Satan defeated Johnny Torch and that dumb Tina Fey impersonator.
Speaking of morality, the breaking news is that South Dakota governor and champion of family values, Kristi Noam, has been having an affair since 2019 with Trump advisor, Corey Lewandowski:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12509093/Kristin-Noem-Corey-Lewandowski-secret-affair.html
Married South Dakota governor Kristi Noem, 51 – who stresses her belief in 'family values' – and Trump advisor Corey Lewandowski, who is also married, began carrying on in 2019, if not before.
I know, I know, that's the Daily Mail, so let's provide a second soure:
https://nypost.com/2023/09/15/kristi-noem-corey-lewandowski-affair-shakes-up-trump-running-mate-stakes/
A fourth source told The Post the dalliance has been widely known in Republican political circles for “years,” adding that Noem’s husband Bryon is said to have moved out of the governor’s mansion in Pierre roughly two years ago.
So maybe I do have a shot.
As Penn Gilette has pointed out, the fact that people say "God is Good" (when they fumble at the counter for their last Penny or their nearly void, faded-out, crumbling EBT card to pay for groceries,) that implies that Good is something distinct from God.
My area of NC has a house of worship on every corner, yet also has had a per capita murder rate rivaling Chicago. Clearly religion and morality are two different things.
Just wait until gruesome Newsom occupies the White House and the dems have buggered the entire voting process so that they have total control of both houses.
You won't be able to recognize America at that point. He will Californicate the rest of the nation.
Since he's with the Pelosi crowd, I suspect old Nancy will have a job at the White House.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
"Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."
H.L. Mencken
Unfortunately even if this doesn't hit the mark exactly, it comes very close. Historically a preponderance of "freedom loving" has come from people who don't really love freedom objectively, but who consider themselves (or even some group they don't belong to) oppressed by a boss of some kind, and are sure that freedom is a matter of getting people out from under those bosses. Then it turns out they like bossing others around as much as the next guy when they get the chance. It's why The Who concluded, "Meet the new boss, just the same as the old boss."
My brain understands why so many friends and neighbors have moved to Texas, Arizona, and Florida, but my heart doesn't.
Isn't this like the third or fourth "California Love: Ode to an abusive spouse from their battered facilitator" article from Greenhut in the last 6 mos.?
My brain understands why so many friends and neighbors have moved to Texas, Arizona, and Florida, but my heart doesn’t.
Decisions based on emotions are typically bad decisions.
You can be sure that Greenhut's gut urges him to leave California: it's not going to be a good place to retire, even with the gov handouts for being an old fart home owner.
But there are conflicting emotions that make him not want to leave. And it takes a lot of rationalizations to give in to those emotions.
Anyone who isn't more or less independently wealthy (net worth at least $10-20Mil with half of it liquid) would be an idiot to retire in CA. The exception might be anyone who's got no significant retirement savings and has lived in a rent-controlled apartment for 20+ years (meaning they're probably paying 25% of market rent) and can possibly get by on just social security, SNAP, and a handful of other public assistance benefits .
Those who have owned a home for 25+ years could sell their property and net enough to pay cash for a comparable or larger place in a no income tax state, even after the hit they'll take from capital gains tax (which might be avoided or mitigated by putting enough of the proceeds into the next house quickly enough), and being in a state without income tax will be equivalent to increasing the value of a 401k or IRA by about 10% as well as increasing the purchasing power of Social Security and Pension benefits. When it's also factored in that almost all of the non-income tax states also have significantly lower rates of sales tax, and many have a lot less regulation and business taxes, which both drive up retail prices and further reduce the purchasing power of what fraction of income the progressive leadership of CA deign to allow residents to hold on to.
"Isn’t this like the third or fourth “California Love..."
I can only assume we will see the same pattern with Colorado soon, potentially Arizona down the road.
These people clamor for the good ol' days, and don't have the insight to see that those days are gone specifically because they and others like them took a massive dump in CA.
"California was an absolute paradise, then *something* happened, and now its not the amazing place I remember"
Ironic, for people so notionally concerned about pollution.
OP: “California was an absolute paradise, then *something* happened, and now its not the amazing place I remember”
Person standing next to them thinking the same thing: "I bet it was those Republicans."
OP: [nodding to self] "Yeah... Republicans... "
Sorry, "I bet it was those Republicans."
The real pandemic is the people leaving California bring their disease (progressive politics) with them. I support California's desire to tax their citizens for ten years after they leave. Maybe it will incentivize them to stay out of red states and keep their progressivism in check.
True. They ruined Oregon and Colorado for sure.
The people who tend to move to red states are as conservative, or even more conservative, than the natives. It is a great sorting, not an invasion.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article257604363.html
“One distinct trend, according to a new survey released Friday, is that newcomers identify as having more conservative political beliefs than those who have lived here longer.”
Maybe not. Wife's friends - progs both - moved from Seattle area to Colorado front range. Then my friends - conservatives both - moved from front range to Texas to get away from prog trend in front range.
Seattle is now California? Since when?
It's in reference to migrants from blue states to red states tending to be more conservative. In that case it was someone from a far left enclave moving to a purple one and turning it far left.
I know that you are from California. And I am a native Californian who moved to a red state recently.
So, I’m sure we both have a more nuanced understanding of California’s politics.
Many people with only cartoonish understandings don’t realize how many conservative enclaves there are, the closet conservatism in ostensibly blue enclaves, and how the Democrats staged an electoral coup when they convinced voters to adopt open primaries. (OK, they might get that last one.)
Pretentious fuckstick.
And I am a native Californian who moved to a red state recently.
That explains everything that falls out of your mouth. Just another migrant prog.
Once again, please cite even one comment I have ever made promoting progressive politics. Just one.
"I am a native Californian who moved to a red state recently."
Didn't you move to Oregon? How is that red?
Also, you seem to have just rebutted your previous statement that "The people who tend to move to red states are as conservative, or even more conservative, than the natives".
You may have seemed red in San Francisco, but you're bright blue anywhere else.
Oregon is beautiful, but I can't stand it. Who the fk drives 55?
Or doesn't pump their own gas?
Greta?
Pampered little WEF princess is chauffeured everywhere. She even has nice cops carry her to her limo after protests. Doesn't even need to walk herself.
Since it was inundated with Californians. Just ask Seattle natives.
So you have a friend who uses Latinx (and I hear you have a black friend too!) and you're OK with it but you'll hassle someone you don't know fudging the lines between Seattle and California?
Fucking douchebag.
Politically, CA has caught up to Seattle since the Dems liberated voters from having to choose between leftist and non-leftist candidates. While it's not geographically part of the state, there's a lot of similarity in the political environment (especially the extent to which dissent from the ruling party is stigmatized by labels of bigotry and/or fascism).
Is the Colorado front range supposed to be a particularly conservative place? Have you heard about the long-standing political leanings of Boulder?
And doesn’t your anecdote about your conservative friends moving to Texas reinforce my argument?
Colorado will never be a red state ever again.
Slayer's "World Painted Blood" begs to disagree...
Unless somebody nukes Denver-Boulder.
Breckenridge...Aspen...I could go on. Those might be small enough for conventional destruction.
Is the Colorado front range supposed to be a particularly conservative place? Have you heard about the long-standing political leanings of Boulder?
Haha, other than Denver and parts of north Aurora, Boulder was an outlier in the entire Front Range up until the mid-2000s. The Denver metro suburbs were rather solid conservative, with a few moderate Democrats, up to that point. That changed with the rise of the tech industry and the Gay Millionaire Mafia that included Jared Polis, which drew a lot of rad-left dumbasses to the area after the 2006 mid-term wipeouts, and became fully ensconced after pot legalization made the state a honeypot for every drug addict bum in the country. Denver is basically East Portland now.
Even Colorado Springs is trending more purple now because these Denverite assholes are polluting that city with their infectious ideology, after Denver became too much of a Calhoun rat experiment for them.
Being the first to legalize was a mistake. Became a Mecca for all sorts of degenerates.
The poll of 1,000 people was conducted in November of 2021.
It is meaningless.
I provided a cite. You don’t like what it says so you dismiss it.
Please provide your own cite to back up your assertion.
The Seventh Annual Idaho Public Policy Survey was conducted November 13-21, 2021, and surveyed 1,000 adults who currently live in Idaho. The sample is representative of the state’s population, both geographically and demographically, with a simple random sampling margin of error of +/- 3.1%. The survey covered a wide variety of topics, including growth, housing, transportation, state budgeting, taxes, education, the environment, and COVID-19. GS Strategy Group conducted the survey by cell phone (43%), landline phone (17%), online (30%), and text message (10%).
"...surveyed 1,000 adults who currently live in Idaho."
Only 17% can be verified as Idahoans.
17% contacted by landline. 208 area code is verifiable.
53% by cell phone and text - residency is not verifiable
30% online, are you fucking kidding me?
https://www.boisestate.edu/sps/blog/2022/01/introduction/
Hmm, you are still not providing any cite to back up your assertion that “people leaving California bring their disease (progressive politics) with them”.
The old "moving the goal post" trick. I should've known.
I truly do not understand why anyone engages with him. He’s the fucking tarbaby of the comments section.
Well, one of them, anyway...
Yeah, just when I think he's going discuss in good faith, the disingenuous prick pops up.
You can call me names all you like. It doesn't change that I provided a cite to back up my assertion, but you have provided nothing to back yours.
It's still the same goal post: "Please provide your own cite to back up your assertion."
I don't know about 2021, but in the 1990s, 1000 individuals in Idaho might have constituted maybe 2% of the literate population of the State. Hopefully things have improved since the bigger "Aryan Nations" groups in the northern part of the state were broken up, but when I lived in Western MT in the late 80s and early 90s Idaho was largely the north's version of Mississippi.
If you are worried about a growing demographic of progressivism in Idaho, you need to keep an eye on young people. They tend to less religious and more tolerant of non-heterosexual lifestyles.
If you are worried about a growing demographic of progressivism in Idaho, you need to keep an eye on young people. They tend to less religious and more tolerant of non-heterosexual lifestyles.
You are talking about public schools taught by USC graduates influencing kids. Even rural Idaho isn't immune to that shit.
When my daughter was in 2nd grade, she had a teacher instructing kids about the benefits of a "vegan lifestyle". Me and a few other parents went to the teacher first and then the administration. The teacher was told to stick to the curriculum.
This was before the days of FBI investigating parents for having the audacity to be involved in their kids' education.
Teachers can, of course, influence kids. Unless kept isolated in a remote compound, they are subject to several other influences.
I support your rights as a parent to have a say in your local public schools, while at the same time it’s hard not to chuckle that you got so worked up over one teacher talking about veganism.
Veganism is an unnatural dietary religion. It has as much credence as Scientology and is just as cultish.
Vegans in nature are just food for everything else.
So, why is it such a threat that your kid’s teacher talked about it?
Couldn't you just share with your daughter why you think veganism is stupid while feeding her some tasty meat-based meal?
I think it's the progression of influence and the disassembly of boundaries. The teacher is there to teach the curriculum. As we have seen in the more 'progressive' states, allowing the teacher to wield influence in lifestyle, sexuality, gender flexibility etc. stretches the boundaries a little at a time until a curriculum becomes unrecognizable. You hand wave it away as stupid, but what comes after that.
I'm a vegan
I'm a vegan activist
Meat is bad
Ranchers are bad
Farmers that raise meat are destroying the planet
I'm gay too, non-binary, transgender
Here's what that means
Let's all try our pronouns
Pronouns are not to be made fun of
Pronouns are serious
Everyone must express their pronouns
You've upset someone by using the wrong pronouns
You're expelled for using the wrong pronouns
Let's celebrate diversity
Diversity makes us all special
Some of us are more special than others
The special ones are privileged
The privileged should apologize to the others for being special
See where it tends to go?
Sorry for the SQRLSY-esque rant. At least no caps.
Yep. Can you imagine if a teacher were to teach 7 year olds how to hunt and fur trap in a San Franciso elementary school? Teach them about conservationism, renewable resources, and self-sufficiency?
The allowed activist teachings only go one direction: LEFT
It's interesting that the program Outward Bound is designed to do just that with troubled kids. Takes them out into the woods, teaches them to rough it and learn the basics of survival and other skills.
I remember it from the late 70's. Still around today.
Most of the troubled youth come out with a sense of purpose, dignity, renewed confidence and self-reliance. Funny that.
7 year olds in San Francisco would have literally no context to comprehend the ideas of trapping and hunting. Most at that age (and many adults in the coastal cities) haven't got much comprehension of meat having existed in any container but a foam tray covered in cellophane.
A lot depends whether the teacher was making a few asides about veganism or spending significant time teaching about veganism instead of the curriculum she was supposed to be teaching.
Bob had a right to complain if it was the latter.
He has a right to complain if it is the former as well. It's his kid, his resources paying the teacher to teach.
she had a teacher instructing kids about the benefits of a “vegan lifestyle”
Sounds like more than just an aside. I'll restate another way. It seems like the teachers these days are more and more apt to reveal their own personal lifestyle choices as part of the curriculum. Kids don't need to be the teacher's friends, support partners and validation channels. Especially in the 2nd grade.
^ Doesn’t even realize how much his bias is exposed here.
Lol. Laursen: “less religious and more tolerant of non heterosexual lifestyles” = progressive.
Most people who don’t want their red or purple states californicated are probably more concerned with taxation, crime and insane climate policies than fags and trannies. But you know that.
Narrator: “here, laursen manages to sealion and virtue signal simultaneously.”
Bravo, little man.
Religiosity has little to do with tolerance of non-heterosexual lifestyles; some of the worst anti-gay groups have historically been anti-religious socialists and communists. Conversely, Christian churches have done a lot of work for the protection and tolerance of gays and lesbians.
And contrary to what you may think, the “TQIA+” folks in “LGBTQIA+” are the great majority, and they generally despise homosexuals.
Conversely, Christian churches have done a lot of work for the protection and tolerance of gays and lesbians.
Only when dragged kicking and screaming into modernity! You try being openly and actively Gay in a Southern Baptist, Pentecostal, or Roman Catholic Church and see how far you get! Dummy!
The real pandemic is the people leaving California bring their disease (progressive politics) with them.
No shit. God forbid that White Progressives ever admit they were wrong about something. We must progressive harder. Bad luck. Russia!
Newest Sign of California’s Decline: Pirates
https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55854
...Boat owners say they’re going to ban together to do whatever they must to protect themselves. “We don’t bother to call the police anymore. We’re going to handle it ourselves.”
How arrrr they going to do that?
Well, they can't use guns, or knives, or clubs, or mean words; I don't know what they are thinking.
If I had a boat there, I would just sail away.
(of course, it would have to be a big boat, because there is no where on that coast for a free man)
Well, they can’t use guns, or knives, or clubs, or mean words; I don’t know what they are thinking.
Can't get in trouble with the police if you don't report an attempted pirating to the police.
This is why I support just killing home invaders and dumping their bodies in the wilderness to feed the local wildlife. Why worry about where some woke DA decides to charge you for eliminating one of their foot soldiers?
Never report a non-crime.
Hang a few of them in Iron Maidens.
That will teach 'em!
make them listen to Iron Maiden.
The first part, sure.
The second part: I don’t know if anyone deserves that.
Sounds like a Gieco commercial.
Listening to Iron Maiden IN an Iron Maiden
Boat owners say they’re going to ban together
Californians subconsciously using the only weapon they know how to use: Californians that *band* together, ban together.
First they came for the gold (I am deliberately leaving out the initial wave of Mexicans).
Then they came for the sunshine to make films.
Now they no longer come.
The poor stay to live off the few remaining "rich".
They stupid or stubborn stay just because.
The fascists stay to enjoy their power.
> I am deliberately leaving out the initial wave of Mexicans
They were always here. California used to be... wait for it... wait... a part of Mexico!
They weren't always there. They came up from Mexico.
Which is why I said I would leave them out.
That's right continue to promote a mythical narrative.
This is a big reason why I was never on Team Donald.
He was building the wall on the wrong border.
California infects everything the Californian locusts invade. Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. As people flee to those greener pastures, apparently ignorant as to the fact that its decline is a result of their own doing, they try to bring it with them.
I am a live and let live kind of person. But if Lex Luthor said, "I'm going to nuke the San Andreas Fault and sink most of California into the Pacific," my reply to Superman would be, "Hey, how about you go save Lois, and then we just go get a drink and let what happens happen."
California is a cancer. Everyone who lives there and aims to flee knows it. Time to amputate. The cancer has already spread enough.
So walls work?
Only to keep people in, not out.
Like the magic one way masks?
And those magical masks, they magically work in whatever direction the political argument requires at the time!
Depends on the problem you're trying to solve.
"This is a big reason why I was never on Team Donald..."
TDS-addled shits will grasp at any straw.
you could be a not team donald and still vote for him if he is the choice…. it isnt a MUST BE TEAM A OR B thing
meaning: its not necessary for such to be evidence of TDS... could just be preference
Now the infection is spreading to Wyoming and Montana.
Movin' to Montana soon
Gonna be denile floss tycoon
Isn't Bozeman already pretty damn blue?
The key is to ban universities. Those turn everything culturally to shit.
Missoula certainly is quite blue. Bleah.
You mean Boz Angeles.
And yes, colleges are actual headquarters for progressive viral spread. The cultural Marxists actually told us they would do this. And they did.
California also used to be a Red State.
Yes, until mass illegal immigration followed by amnesty.
The game plan Democrats have for the entire US.
Enjoying all that nature is getting harder and harder due to regulations and restrictions, whether it's the beach or some state or national park. And if you're a successful white male, you have to remember that you're in a state where the majority of the population hates your guts and wants to drag you into the gutter just for being what you are.
Lots of political, economic and social shitholes have beautiful scenery, many of them far more beautiful than California. If nature and scenery is what you want, moving to one of those is probably a better idea because at least you'll be rich compared to the rest of the population; in a place like Costa Rica, you can live like Nancy Pelosi does in California.
And if you’re a successful white male, you have to remember that you’re in a state where the majority of the population hates your guts and wants to drag you into the gutter just for being what you are.
We're already seeing some of that awareness in the demographics of universities. No point in sending your son to an institution where they have to walk on eggshells to avoid having their life ruined over false rape accusations, false racism accusations, or simply sitting in class being preached to by the modern priesthood about why they're an inherently evil person because of the special combination of your skin color, gender, and wanting to have sex with women.
This is why I said the other day that the cancer of marxism will have to be cut out of the universities if functioning societies are to be made a thing again.
Unless you're a gay man: then you must desire sex with women, or else you are a transphobe.
Honestly, one of the funnier aspects of the tranny subculture are the MtFs complaining that they can't get any guys to be interested in them, or the ones claiming they're "lesbians" getting pissed off because gay women don't want to suck their girldick.
It is amazing how little other people's right to yheir own sexual identity matters to them if those people do not affirm their self image.
Trannyism is a fundamentally narcissistic ideology based on sexual fetishism (get most trannys, especially the MtFs, to talk long enough and they'll eventually admit this) and intensive stunted social capabilities. It's why people with autism make such rich targets for conversion, because they become convinced by people love-bombing them online that their sense of social disconnectedness is actually because they were "born in the wrong body," as opposed to simply having a basic developmental disorder that degrades their ability to pick up on social cues.
That's why the tranny cult screeches that laws preventing them from grooming kids into their cult is "literally killing" them, because like the Shakers, the only way they can reproduce is to convince new people to join the cult.
(get most trannys, especially the MtFs, to talk long enough and they’ll eventually admit this)
Why would I do that?
Perfect example of it:
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1702674126312268181
Once Governor Hair Gel gets elected God-Emperor of the USSA and turns the rest of the country into California, where are you going to flee to? Canada has its own Princess every bit as bad as Gavin (given that the Canadian Constitution is written in pencil) and that wall on our southern border is going to keep people in rather than out and the current flows the wrong way for you to float a raft to Cuba.
Get a second passport...
I hear El Salvador is actually pretty decent these days. Turns out throwing violent criminals in prison makes for a nicer society for the non-criminals.
Argentina?
Maybe we'll get lucky and someone will remove him from the candidacy pool permanently before that happens.
Mars?
That Trump idea to purchase Iceland is looking less and less crazy now.
Yup, Steven Greenhut nails it. California, the place and the people, is a great state. The government sucks. Okay, the peole, a little weird, but not fundamentally different from anywhere else I've been.
The kulturwarriors will disagree. They will place the blame on the people, all the immigrants, all the gays, all taco trucks. But the real problem is the governemnt. Voters, sure, because voters vote for them, but voters here are like voters everywhere else. They vote for the team not the policy package. I don't blame people for not voting libertarian. Or maybe they do, like everywhere else in the country, a third of voters just don't vote.
No, the real problem is government, and the two major parties the government has corrupted. The Democrats have always had a machine here, no doubt about it. And it's leadership has been taken over by identity and woke politics. But Republicans basically gave a supermajority to the Democrats by being idiots here. Two decades of culture war and voters just gave up on them. Constantly pushing English Language only measure in a state where the overwhelming majority of place names are Spanish, where half the state was once Mexico and the other half once Russian. Heck, there are families here that have been here since Spain was in charge. In short, the state GOP decided to be an old white men's party. A lot of good people in the party, but that doesn't make up for decades. They're currently engaged in outreach to younger generations, but it takes a generation to turn around.
But even so, the blame is not on the parties, it's on the government itself. Progressive. Identity/Woke driven. Wholly unrealistic economic policies. The only thing preventing the state from imploding is the Federal prohibition against printing its own money. California still has to balance the budget. And it's doing it with debt and taxes. And the people who pay the taxes are not the poor, and not the rich, but the working middle class. And that's who we see leaving the state.
I have a friend who started his own business. Making toys. Young guy in his thirties. Dyed mohawk haircut. Just the sort of guy you think belongs in California. But his first child convinced him to get out of the state. So he did. Employees are now in Tennessee not in California. So it's not just old fuddy duddy old white men leaving the state.
The government is taxing people out of the state. And even threatens to tax them after they leave! It regulates them out. It's pushing woke and identity politics that even the Democrat base doesn't want. So families are taking their children out.
The old saying goes, if it can't keep on like this, then it won't. Something is going to change in California. I'm already seeing signs of the Democrat party splitting between the fiscally sane Democrats and and the rest. GOP slowly making up for lost ground, actually having outreach to minorities and younger demographics. And state initiatives have most assuredly NOT gone according to Democrat's plans.
But will the state completely implode first? That's what scares the shit out of me. And the state could decide to leave the frying pan and leap into the fire with radical lefty populism.
Speaking as a gay immigrant and ex-Californian, the gays in California are mostly awful, and the so-called “immigrants” are mostly either illegal or anti-American.
Oh, I hope so! As a warning to others!
You've got it all backwards. See below. The get off my lawn crowd may be yelling at the clouds but they ain't leaving California. Nor are they ever selling their house. Though they are often buying second houses in other states and exporting their vileness to those states. They are the ones making life a toilet for everyone else who hasn't owned their house for 30+ years. And they are doing so via government. It ain't the newcomers or the young or brown people who are running California.
Either the electorate is responsible for the politicians they have enabled by putting into office or representative democracy with sovereignty iinvested n the voting public is meaningless sham.
Yeah, I hear this cognitive dissonance from the center-right quite frequently. They laud the preservation of "ARE DEMOKRASEEE" and the sanctity of voting in one breath, and then bitch that the problem with a dysfunctional society is the people who voted for the dumb politicians that made it dysfunctional.
A shitty society is the result of shitty people voting for shitty politicians to ensure that the society remains in a shitty state, while blaming various scapegoats of the moment for why the beautiful utopia hasn't been achieved. The true equitable society, like true marxism, is always somewhere over the rainbow.
About 10? 20? years ago the Democrats convinced the people of California to adopt open primaries. It was sold as something that would reduce partisanship, but anyone who actually read the text of the ballot initiative could plainly see it stacked the deck in favor of Democrats.
So, now, California has an electoral system that is rigged in the Democratic Party’s favor. It’s still good old American winner-takes-all elections but the wins for the Democrats now get sewn up during the primaries instead of the general elections.
the Democrats convinced the people of California to adopt open primaries.
Californians who moved to Colorado put a similar notion on the ballot here. To eliminate caucuses - move to primaries - and open up primaries to independents. It wasn't really a Dem-Rep thing. It was very much a topdown-bottomup thing.
It was Abel Maldonado (R) who was behind that. It was his personal issue, and he pushed it through. Definitely a huge mistake, and the party essentially disowned him, while the Democrats used him like a cheap whore.
Which is sad because I know Abel personally and he is not the traitor and socialist and whatever else his party calls him. His failing was naivete, and the state Democrats took advantage of it. Not the first time the state Dems took advantage of a freshman reformer.
Thanks. I didn't know that part of the story.
It’s a shame no one in CA has made it their issue to increase the size of the California Assembly.
The size (80) was put into the CA Constitution in 1880 when the state population was 800,000. Big mistake to do that (and probably a decision that was corrupt) but at least the folks back then came up with reasonable representation – 1 critter for every 10,000 peeps. Cmparable to what NH, Montana, Wyoming, Dakotas, Maine, Vermont are today.
Now it’s 1 for every 500,000 peeps. Not as bad as the US House. But – to use the common California comparison – If California were a country, our legislature would be less representative of the people than everyone except India, Afghanistan, US, Pakistan. If California were competent enough to run a legislature the size of New Hampshire (400), the representation would be 1 per 100,000. Which is very comparable to most big states and most real countries that aren't shit holes.
The people do have something to do with the government.
So you're saying it's your fault we have Biden/Harris. Got it.
The people elected the government, and keep reelecting it. The people are the problem
Californians made the choices long ago to pull up the drawbridge, cap the population, and make life wonderful for those who were already there then. That even within California, newcomers would be told to move somewhere else. Commute longer distances. But stay out of my neighborhood. If you new folks want houses, then build them in those new cities far away from me. We don't want any changes at all in my neighborhood. None of which was either new (Californians did not welcome Okies) or unique to CA (CO had the same thought process in rejecting the 76 Winter Olympics). All the implicit choices that drove Prop 13 and that Prop 13 reinforced.
What's mind boggling is that newcomers put up with the increasing amounts of that shit for - decades. The Californians who matter want a population of 25 million or so. And if/when the excess move it ain't gonna be the now-retirees who are that exodus. The more who leave, the 'better' California will be.
You really do envy successful people.
There is, of course, absolutely nothing wrong with California that taking the list of people who were registered to vote in the state as a Democrat at any point this century, and barring them from 1) voting, 2) serving on juries, 3) holding public office, 4) being hired for or promoted in the civil service, and 5) practicing law wouldn't rapidly fix.
California had more Trump voters than any other state in 2020.
This article feels like it was written by a normie.
There's "something going on here in California" and damnit, some policy tweaks can get it back on track. Where did it all go wrong? And... I think it might be over unless they turn it around.
This is where I would plug an EXCELLENT youtube channel called "California Insider"... it's a youtube channel that dug very deep into California's structural political problems, and for those of you who don't like to think about KuturWar hurr durr because it makes your head hurt, take heart! The channel remained very wonky, discussing business climate, taxes, crime, homelessness, immigration, housing costs, environmental regulations etc. Except... they got demonetized by Youtube and the channel just got shut. So, never mind, I guess.
Anyhoo, if you're interested in their past videos, they interviewed California politicians, current and former, and other state officials and California residents and natives who had insights into California politics and policy.
And note to Greenhut, when you got there in the 90s, the train throttle was already set to 'max', with most of the passengers thinking "Oh, how exciting this all is!"
I moved to LA in 1981 to go to music school. Had a ridiculous amount of fun. But it became clear very quickly that the cost of real estate was going to be beyond my reach for a very long time. Back then the conventional wisdom was if you didn't get there in the 60s you were fucked. Moved back to the great midwest 3 years later and bought a house for a third of the cost in CA.
I moved to the Bay Area for a dot-com job in early 2000. They sent me back to NM to open a branch office because I knew a pile of programmers here, and they couldn't find any there. Boy did I dodge a fucking bullet.
As you point out... demonetized. But they have a new channel.
California Outsider?
It's the land of opportunity for smash and grab and flash mob shoplifting. Not to worry, it's all perfectly legal.Oh yes and if you want to shit on the sidewalk, that's ok too.
And if you have kids, the state will come down on you like a load bricks if you question your child's pronouns.
The people running that state are out of their fucking minds.
Are you talking about California politicians, California government employees, crony capitalist corporations, or just the typical inhabitant of SF, LA, or Oakland?
I evacuated California from Sacramento. Other places in California you can still ignore the insane meddling. I was a business owner and year after year laws came out that made it harder and harder for my employees to not become my enemies. When the labor laws made me responsible for telling my employees they could not work through lunch and go home half hour early, saying it was the law was no help. Then over the years I saw the state pension system go from very good to extravagant. I was approaching 60 and all around me were government workers who had gamed the system to make more in retirement than any year they worked. This at 50 or 55. I was still going to be working till I was at least 70. They were laughing not a care in the world. And they did it by piling up PTO some of them who did little productive work during an 8 hour day anyway so why would they need to take the time off. Then they cashed it all in on the last year raising their last years pay on which the retirement was calculated. All the while taking home a full paycheck because they didn't need to save like a private sector person. I once was outside one of the big offices and the norm was a stream of people who went in and then back out 5 minutes later to go get morning coffee and hang around before going back to 'work'. I don't know but I bet more than a few spent the time figuring out where they were going out to lunch a couple of hours later. I am extremely glad I was not there during Covid. It was hard enough in a mostly free state. The hypocrite governor for California made it unbearable.
Yeah, the salaries and pensions of state employees are utterly disgusting. I’m glad I’m not paying a dime for that anymore, and I will make my voice heard when the California pension system is going to ask for a bailout.
I don't know if you're getting paid by the word, but next time, hon, could you try paragraphs?
I have traveled to CA on occasion for the last 40 years. I have seen it decline to the point that places in LA are worse than many third world countries. My son lives in LA and insists that people remove their shoes when they enter his condo, since they are likely tracking in human feces from the sidewalks with who knows what types of pathogens that have been brought here from actual third world countries.
He is a liberal, but he is starting to be quite successful in business, and as he earns more money, I can detect a concern that taxes are erasing an increasing slice of his future wellbeing.
I think that the current direction that the left has taken will either be a self limiting thing where people eventually see the damage and revolt... or it could head in a dystopian direction where those people living off the state manage to hold on to power and the population gradually degrades to the point where few are productive and the vast majority are dependent on the state... even as funds dry up...
The state government is already held captive by its own public employee unions, and by those who make a living on government-granted contracts after lengthy government-led permission seeking.
California is still the land of opportunity. The opportunity to buy a 50-year old, single story ranch house for 1.5 million dollars, and the opportunity to pay double-digit income taxes if you make a decent income, and the opportunity to pay near double-digit sales taxes at the same time. And the opportunity to provide needed cash aid directly to the poor on any street corner, and the opportunity to drive a windowless car on hot days, just by parking it on the street for 10 minutes.
California is the place where two next door neighbors – in identical houses – can easily identify which one is a serf and which one is a feudal lord. The one who just bought that house from someone unrelated will be paying 5x more in property taxes than the person who inherited the house from parents/etc.
That difference will only get worse over time. Generations. And it can only obliterate all social cohesion. Even the social cohesion that results from two neighbors complaining about property taxes and deciding to reduce govt spending. Because one of them doesn’t pay those.
It's true. Prop 13 should be extended to include recent purchasers. See what the lowest rate of the closest similar house is paying, and let the new purchaser pay that in property taxes.
Starve the beast.
Prop13 does apply to new buyers. Tax hikes are limited annually. But the property tax is calculated from the market value of the house (as set by the purchase price.) The tax rate is the same.
People who bought a long time ago have no incentive to sell, since they are paying much lower annual taxes. And that's a good thing, since you don't have to worry about the housing market swings pricing you out of your house. The loophole is they can pass the same tax advantage down to their children. You see a lot of way-below market sales to family members.
The author expresses a deep love for California and its diverse culture and history. However, they are concerned about the state's declining population and attribute it to high taxes, unaffordable housing, progressive politics, and excessive regulations. They believe that California's appeal as a place for new ideas and opportunities has been eroded by overbearing government policies, leading to an exodus of young, wealthy individuals. The author fears that without a change in direction, California may face decades of stagnation.
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Very few people leave a state of the politics of the governor and legislature. Yes, there are some, but never as overwhelming as people like to claim. The relative failure of the "Free State Project" demonstrates that clearly. While a number of tinfoil-hat-wearing nutballs have moved to New Hampshire, making themselves and the libertarian cause look foolish in the process, the FSP has never gotten anywhere near its numerical goal of movers.
What *is* clear is that economic factors drive the vast majority of folks leaving California. That's why AZ and NV have turned solidly purple - the vast numbers leaving the state are *not* reich-wing.
Is the average temperature of Namsha above or below freezing?
Lawmakers blamed COVID deaths (as if other states hadn't experienced the same pandemic).
The lawmakers were close -- they were right to blame COVID, but it was the COVID policies they enacted that drove many people away, not the disease.
Older people who own homes and are heading toward retirement mostly are staying…
Not likely. They can sell the house, pocket a million or two in equity, buy a nicer house for a third of the price in another state, and dodge California’s high taxes when they start to make 401k withdrawals.
At least that’s my plan. Maxing out the 401K with catch-up contributions (dodged a bullet on the feds wanting to make those taxable, at least for 2 more years) boosts my retirement earnings by an automatic 10%, in California income taxes permanently avoided..
California's state-wide YIMBY laws, solving a problem they no longer have, with a solution the cities don't want:
https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2023/09/15/city-urged-to-think-bigger-as-it-rezones-san-antonio-road-for-housing
This isn't a win for "freedom." It's not the state lifting local restrictions and letting the market decide. It's the state government mandating higher-density infill for mature cities, forcing cities to submit high-density housing addition plans, and then telling the cities whether the plans are good enough to pass muster in Sacramento.
To turn this vision into reality, city planners and consultants are proposing a revision of the zoning plan to allow 90 dwellings per acre, well above the current maximum of 40 dwellings per acre in existing residential and commercial zones. They are also looking to revise the city's "housing incentive program," which allows residential developers to claim density bonuses and other zoning exceptions when they propose projects in main commercial areas.
Both of these strategies, however, are now facing some blowback. The state Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD) has rejected the city's submitted Housing Element twice, including the version that the council formally approved last May. In its Aug. 3 letter, the state agency argued that the city has failed to prove that the non-vacant sites on its adopted housing inventory are actually suitable for housing.
Repealing all restrictions on recreational LSD could reverse CA decay. Gov. Ronnie Ray-Gun copied the Herbert Hoover Five and Ten law approach by banning the harmless potion. Crash and depression ever since. Tricky Milhous minions as a lynch mob worsened matters. Banning production and trade is not laissez faire but totalitarian.
Remember the Prague Spring revolt against communist bans on production and trade? Before Tricky's impeachment Czech chemists flooded world markets with acid-soaked aspirin. It was everywhere in Canada. Neighboring communized dictatorships began their revolt. Ukraine today could flood anarco-czarist Rooshia with the product and watch Pootin's army resign en masse. Dr Duncan Blewitt observed that phenomenon years ago. It is Ukraine's and the Golden State's opportunity to break free of cartels and aggressors.
https://www.governancefoundation.org.in/
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