Price Tag of NASA's Martian Rock Retrieval Mission Is Skyrocketing
The Mars Sample Retrieval program is now estimated to cost double than what was originally projected.

As NASA's chief of science programs, Thomas Zurbuchen oversaw missions like the James Webb telescope launch and the landing of the Mars Perseverance rover. When he stepped down from that post in 2022, he told The New York Times that the key to innovation was to take smart risks and not to panic when some of them don't pay out. It appears NASA itself is struggling to apply that wisdom.
Last week, according to reporting from Ars Technica, leaders at the space agency were told that the development cost for the Mars Sample Retrieval (MSR) program had doubled. Originally, the cost to collect rock samples from Mars was estimated at $4.4 billion; now, that number is north of $8 billion. And that's just for development. The estimate does not include launch costs, construction, or operating costs. The final tab could be north of $10 billion.
The plan is to send an unmanned sample retrieval lander to Mars in 2028. That vehicle would return to Earth with the rock and soil samples that the Perseverance rover has collected since it landed on Mars in 2021. However, there are concerns over whether Perseverance will still be operational in 2028, so NASA is creating backup plans that include sample recovery helicopters. If all of these steps go according to plan, the samples will return to Earth by 2033 at the earliest.
Understanding the geological makeup of other planets is a noble scientific endeavor, but not when taxpayers are footing the colossal bill. This is not the first time (or even the second) that NASA has run a delayed project over budget. Their flagship Artemis program has ballooned in price and will now cost over $93 billion by the end of 2025. And it's likely an astronaut won't return to the moon by then.
The news that this project had doubled really shouldn't come as much of a surprise. Back in April, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson told the Senate Appropriations Committee's Commerce, Justice, and Science Subcommittee that the MSR program would need an additional $250 million to stay on track in fiscal year 2023.
Even the science community has suggested that this price tag is simply not worth it. Planetary scientist Paul Byrne told Ars Technica that MSR risks becoming "the planetary community's James Webb Telescope," meaning that this project would eat up much of the budget allotted for planetary science, stifling other worthwhile projects in its wake.
There are many ways for NASA to cut costs on this project, but the most obvious answer is to turn to the budding private space industry. NASA is already relying heavily on SpaceX to complete the Artemis program; there is no reason why SpaceX or some other company couldn't pick up the venture. Even if the rocks were to prove life on Mars (and that's a big if), at some point, there needs to be a limit to how much public money NASA is willing to spend.
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I mean, 8 billion dollars... That a whole 125% of what the Pentagon decided they could afford to send to Ukraine. Last week.
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Originally, the cost to collect rock samples from Mars was estimated at $4.4 billion; now, that number is north of $8 billion.
Just take some rocks from the Nevada desert, throw some CGI around it, and call it a day. Just like the moon landings.
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The plan is to send an unmanned sample retrieval lander to Mars in 2028. That vehicle would return to Earth with the rock and soil samples that the Perseverance rover has collected since it landed on Mars in 2021.
Fuck the return trip bot. Drop a mass driver on the surface. Charge $1 mi. per shot. Think your $15K rifle that you spend $3/rd. in ammo to make 2 mi. shots is impressive? Try $142M per round to make a 142 million mile shot!
Last time I looked, over 250 meteorites ,from Mars had been collected identified and catalogued on Earth. Those so far found represent three different Martian rock types.
If NASA spent 1% of the MSR budget on setting 100 geologists to work prospecting the Sahara and the ice caps for more, they might end up with a broader sample spectrum in less time than an unmanned mission to Mars.
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-martian-chronicle-of-higher.html
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I can't wait for Biden to announce the railroad we're building to Mars.
Biden can use the train to induce Elon Musk to play nice with the Democrats. If he refuses, he won't get invited to bid on building the solar wind powered locomotives or the tunnel through the moon to get there.
Will it stop in Scranton ?
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Now do Illegal Immigration
We should illegally immigrate to Mars?
I thought Martians were immigrating here.
What is the fucking point? There will never be a self-perpetuating colony on Mars. Human anatomy is biomechanical and has evolved to take advantage of gravity. Spending any significant time at .38 G is not viable.
We need a protomolecule. And Cara Gee.
But think of the bachelor party/honey moon/Epstein-style getaway fun you might have in .38 G!
People will adapt. They will grow taller and thinner. And they will be unable to return to Earth.
People will adapt.
Lysenko would agree with you, but that sounds like the wishful thinking of sci-fi authors whose stories rely on people being able to tolerate such conditions. Individual organisms don't evolve, that takes a breeding population and multiple generations. Even then it would require a serious eugenics program.
I would bet on extremely lowered life expectancy and high incidence of strokes at lower-than-Earth gravity.
Even then it would
requirebe a serious eugenics program.FTFY. Any round-trip, non-self sustaining colony could maybe be considered non-eugenic, but once people start spending their lives there and we have to select who will go, it's *definitely* going to be eugenic.
I would bet on extremely lowered life expectancy and high incidence of strokes at lower-than-Earth gravity.
Lowered life expectancy in the background of phenomenally-lowered productivity output too. Unless we built all the toggle switches and levers to 60% less resistance, it's going to take just as much effort to throw them on Mars as it does on Earth and you're going to have 60% less gravity (or less muscle) helping you do it.
I would bet on extremely lowered life expectancy and high incidence of strokes at lower-than-Earth gravity.
It's entirely possible, but in case you didn't notice the basic theory of evolution is that nature is one giant endless self-perpetuating eugenics program. People will die, like they always have, and those who survive to have children will pass on genes, but life goes on. Every life form on Earth that exists is the result of some creature, somewhere, at some point, saying "Yeah, I can survive with that."
Why not, as the article leads to, offer a prize? "NASA will pay $100mm/kg (or whatever) for Martian rock up to a total of $2bn (or whatever)"
Dozens of bits of Mars, mostly Shergottites, are on offer at e-bay .
They cost a few times more than gold.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p3519243.m570.l2632&_nkw=shergottite+martian+meteorite&_sacat=3213
If we want to spend tax dollars to get Mars samples, just offer a bounty for the first 10 kg.
People will be on Mars in 10 years (supposedly). Why can't they just pick up some rocks to bring home?
Since gravity is less than half that of Earth and there's not much atmosphere to speak of, perhaps someone with a really really strong arm can just throw them back at the Earth.
The final tab could be north of $10 billion.
And Ukraine needs those billions more than NASA does!
What - you think you're getting a refund if they cancel this thing? Haha!
Get back to me when the cost is 10x. When it is similar to the cost overrun for a train.
Yeah, it's really hard to get mad at space exploration at a cost that looks like a rounding error compared to how much we pay farmers not to grow crops.
The cost over runs would suggest that this project is just not technically ready. I would guess the question is can you get a rocket off Mars. It worth noting that some of the first landings were failures, this project requires both a successful landing and a takeoff. I suggest it is time for some decisions about priorities. Better to go with projects that have a better chance of return of value. Give the rock return another ten years for development.
The cost over runs would suggest that NASA's just another government agency Money Pit. FTFY.
Hopefully, we can put these guys in charge of our National Healthcare system when it's finally put in place. They'll spare no expense!