Trump's Own Attorney General Says Indictment Is 'Very, Very Damning'
Plus: Mark Zuckerberg reacts to the Twitter Files, CNN's lockdown hypocrisy, and more...

Virtually all Republican senators and members of the House are defending former President Donald Trump, who was indicted on 37 counts relating to his storage of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. (One exception: Mitt Romney, who said that Trump "brought these charges on himself.") So too are many of Trump's rivals for the 2024 nomination; shedding crocodile tears, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis condemned the weaponization of federal law enforcement, while tech entrepreneur and long-shot candidate Vivek Ramaswamy vowed to pardon Trump if he wins the presidency.
But Trump's own attorney general, Bill Barr, thinks the indictment is "very, very damning." During an interview on Fox News Sunday, Barr said that he was shocked "by the degree of sensitivity of these documents, and how many there were, frankly." He said that federal authorities had every right to recover the documents, which included national security briefings prepared by government officials.
Trump's former AG Bill Barr to @ShannonBream: "I think the counts under the Espionage Act … are solid counts … If even half of it is true, then he's toast. It's a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning."
— Alex Thompson (@AlexThomp) June 11, 2023
Barr conceded that Democrats had unfairly target Trump in the past, but he said it's different this time.
"Yes, he's been a victim in the past, and yes, his adversaries have obsessively pursued him with phony claims, and I've been at his side defending him when he is a victim," said Barr. "But this is much different. He is not a victim here. He was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents."
Trump also could have easily avoided the current situation by simply returning the documents when asked. Even some of his most ardent backers in the Republican Party are frustrated that he would put himself in this position—and force them on the defensive—so incautiously. But the dynamics of the conservative movement are such that defending Trump at all costs is simply what the base demands.
Some commentators who have little personal love for Trump are nevertheless concerned at the thought of prosecuting him under the Espionage Act. Former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) tweeted that the Espionage Act has a history being abused by law enforcement. Writing for The Free Press, Eli Lake notes that the law "does not distinguish between actual spies—people who give or sell state secrets to a foreign power—and those who seek to inform the American people about their government's excesses and abuses."
"In this respect, the law is a loaded gun against modern journalism," Lake writes.
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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg appeared on Lex Fridman's podcast last week, fielding questions about artificial intelligence, free speech, and the impact of the Twitter Files. Zuckerberg tried—and seems to have failed—to reassure Fridman that social media companies rather than the government were ultimately in the driver's seat when it comes to moderating content.
"There's so much pressure from all sides that any specific thing that someone says isn't really adding that much more to the mix," said Zuckerberg. "There's obviously a lot of people who think that we should be censoring more content. There are a lot of people who think we should be censoring less content. There are all kinds of groups involved in these debates. There are elected officials, the agencies, the medias, activist groups."
The fact that different interest groups—both within the federal government and outside it—are all attempting to exert influence on the platforms means that they aren't captured by a specific entity, in Zuckerberg's view. But for people who worry about the pressure on the companies in general, regardless of which direction it's coming from, Zuckerberg's comments were hardly encouraging.
Zuckerberg also accused the government health officials of losing the trust of the American people by prematurely shutting off debate on COVID-19 topics—an implicit suggestion that the CEO perhaps regrets some of his company's moderation decisions.
"Just take some of the stuff around COVID earlier in the pandemic where there were real health implications, but there hadn't been time to fully vet a bunch of the scientific assumptions," said Zuckerberg. "Unfortunately, I think a lot of the kind of establishment on that kind of waffled on a bunch of facts and asked for a bunch of things to be censored that, in retrospect, ended up being more debatable or true. That stuff is really tough, right? It really undermines trust."
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Throughout the pandemic, CNN's on-air talent largely defended COVID-19 lockdowns as necessary for health and safety. But behind the scenes, a top executive at the network allegedly asked then-Gov. Andrew Cuomo to meet with an executive at CNN's parent company, Warner Bros. Discovery, about reopening movie theaters.
That's according to Semafor's Maxwell Tani, who reports that the legal dispute between CNN and former news anchor Chris Cuomo, the Democratic governor's brother, has produced revealing text messages. Editorially, CNN eagerly embraced the idea that opening up the economy was reckless in the face of COVID-19. But network executive Allison Gollust—herself involved in a secret romance with former CNN boss Jeff Zucker—sent the governor a message on September 22, 2020, asking him about movie theaters.
At the time, WarnerMedia was hoping for a big hit with the Christopher Nolan film, Tenet. Tani writes:
The September 22, 2020 texts are between Governor Cuomo and CNN's then-chief marketing officer, Allison Gollust. She had left his office years earlier for CNN but kept in frequent touch, helping to arrange appearances on CNN shows and smoothing over bumps when the governor was double-booked on other networks.
But while Gollust was assisting the network's programming side, that day she crossed over into advocating for the business interests of CNN's parent company, texting a request that the governor speak to WarnerMedia's studio chief, Ann Sarnoff.
"She's bummed you don't open theaters in NY, but perhaps you can hear her out," Gollust said in the message, which was read to Semafor by a person with firsthand access to the exchange.
The next day, Cuomo heeded Gollust's request and called Sarnoff, who lobbied the governor to loosen restrictions on movie theaters, according to a person familiar with the exchange.
Chris Cuomo has filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against CNN for $125 million.
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Virtually all Republican senators and members of the House are defending former President Donald Trump...
Trump always did invoke loyalty from his swamp creatures.
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…shedding crocodile tears, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis condemned the weaponization of federal law enforcement
“Crocodile Tears”?
WTF?
The minute Trump is successfully removed from the election, DeSantis becomes enemy #1 to the Democrats and their associates in “federal law enforcement”. I’d say DeSantis means what he says.
Yeah, EVERYBODY should be highly concerned. That he is moreso than Reason is sad.
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They're just useless idiots.
Barr conceded that Democrats had unfairly target Trump in the past, but he said it's different this time.
This time it's personal.
The reality is that there is give and take between Republicans and Democrats. Politicians know that and accept that as part of the job. It would be difficult to make the case that Trump was attacked any more than other modern Presidents, or even historical Presidents. The documents case, the Georgia vote fraud and January 6th had nothing to do with the Democrats, the former President brought this all on himself.
It would be difficult to make the case that Trump was attacked any more than other modern Presidents, or even historical Presidents. The documents case, the Georgia vote fraud and January 6th had nothing to do with the Democrats, the former President brought this all on himself.
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Clearly you are ignorant of American electoral history. Thomas Jefferson was mocked by rivals for his relationship with Sally Hemmings, Abraham Lincoln was compared to an ape, and after his election state seceded. Trump was not attacked any more than any other President, he simple whined more.
Yep, I recall all those impeachments, at least 2 or 3 for every president. And how federal security agencies actively undermined Jefferson and Lincoln.
Mocked is not the same as impeachments dumbass.
Trump was not attacked any more than any other President, he simple whined more.
Yeah, Lincoln and Jefferson had shrieking TDS addled 24/7 coverage "journalists" on 20 different networks.
Totes the same.
Well in Jefferson and Lincoln case it would not be TDS nor would there be 24/7 coverage, but there were newspapers and pamphlets. Are there 20 actual networks and does that count Fox?
Trump was not attacked any more than any other President, he simple whined more.
"Whined" past tense? Dude, he never stopped.
He had a more hostile media and more hostile executive branch than any president in my memory. Of course all presidents are subject to all kinds of smears and attacks on their character. But what happened with Trump really was unprecedented.
I say this as someone who dislikes Trump, believes he was mostly a failure as president and really wishes he would go away for 2024.
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I am always amazed at people who profess to not like the former President, but spend an inordinate amount of time defending him.
The press was no different for Trump than for other Presidents. The difference is he fought with the press and other administrations accepted the press and learned to deal with them. Let me remind you of President Kennedy's quote on the press, "Even though we never like it, and even though we wish they didn’t write it, and even though we disapprove, there isn’t any doubt that we could not do the job at all in a free society without a very, very active press.”
Same with the executive branch, Trump fought with the branch of government he headed rather than learn to use it effectively. I doubt that any Presidential historian would say that Trump was treated worse than any other President. His reaction was designed to make people think it was worse.
I never voted for him either, but I call out BS when I see it.
There are many of us like Zeb, who, because of some of the crazy bullshit lies and gaslighting and outright falsehoods coming from the left, find ourselves in line with the guy or his defenders sometimes.
The press was completely different with Trump. They still are. Don't sit there and say that Obama and Biden were or are treated the same by the media. We know that's a lie. YOU know that's a lie.
The press was no different for Trump than for other Presidents. The difference is he fought with the press and other administrations accepted the press and learned to deal with them.
So which is it? The press didn't treat him any differently, or they did and he brought it on himself?
I am always amazed at people who profess to not like the former President, but spend an inordinate amount of time defending him.
So no one should be concerned about the truth or about calling out abuses of power if the lies and abuse are directed at someone unpleasant?
"I am always amazed at people who profess to not like the former President, but spend an inordinate amount of time defending him."
Maybe there are just people out there like me who don't like the guy at all, but also feel truth and honesty are more important than political allegiance.
Yeah, the 2 minutes it took me to respond to your comment was a big drain on my productive energies.
It's just fucking laughable to suggest that the press treated Trump the same as, say, Obama. You really can't be serious, can you? Many people in media and government were open about it. They were "the resistance". They were going to do whatever it takes to interfere with his agenda or bring him down. This was not some secret hidden thing.
Hell, just look at the press with Biden. This is a guy who openly mocks them as much as Trump did, and is walled off to the point that WaPo had to remind him that they were allies and he needed to be available to them.
Was it that much different with Bush the warmongering chimp?
That was more the leftwingosphere at places like DU and Kos. You didn’t start seeing that kind of stuff crop up in mainstream publications at the time because the Boomer and older Gen-X editors were still following basic editorial standards.
Most of the changes we see now have come about since the advent of digital media in the mid-2000s and Obama’s election later on. These were heavily influenced by snark outlets like Gawker, which were explicitly rad-left in their politics, as well as the evolution of journalism schools in colleges becoming blatant training programs for left-wing activism.
Same shit, different technology?
And I think they just hate Trump more. Social media and online news certainly helped.
Nope. Maybe they were too young to remember how the press treated "dubbaya" during his entire 8 years (except maybe for a few months after 9/11).
Of course they didn't treat Obama the same way--he was their boy!
Remember 'Land of Confusion' by Genesis?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7FKO5DlV0
The press was no different for Trump than for other Presidents.
That statement alone tells you all you need to know about this fool.
Do not recall federal intel agencies working with political rivals to handcuff the President for almost his entire term for any others. Maybe you can.
I don't recall any other former presidents taking active steps to prevent a grand jury from seeing documents that were subpoenaed. Maybe you can.
Clinton hid documents, notoriously.
From a grand jury?
Yes, I distinctly recall the 2+ years of bogus investigations of Lincoln, Jefferson, Kennedy, and FDR. Trump’s abuse ain’t nothing special.
Is that an actual quote? If so, doesn't the person quoted need an assistant to remind the ignoramus to breathe?
Yes. Moderation4Ever is indeed that dim witted.
Slit your wrists
"It would be difficult to make the case that Trump was attacked any more than other modern Presidents"
Well, there's an insane lie that I'm pretty sure you know was a lie.
How many other modern presidents had the FBI use a fraudulent file bought by his opponents campaign to deliberately mislead a judge so it could spy on him for the other party and then pressure a huge probe after victory?
How many other modern presidents were impeached based on evidence that explicitly exonerated him, for urging an investigation into criminality by a former VP who really was guilty? And while the impeachment was going on the FBI deliberately hid documents and testimony showing that?
How many other modern presidents were impeached a second time for incitement, when 1. they literally told the crowd to "go home in love and peace", 2. the riot started with a different crowd before the speech had ended, 3. the opposition speaker witheld video evidence showing that most of the accused rioters weren't, 4. that recordings show FBI agents and even the MPD were in plainclothes inciting the crowd?
You're just scratching the surface
There is nothing moderate about Moderation4Ever.
Moderation4Ever is just a dripping of the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton)
…and January 6th had nothing to do with the Democrats, the former President brought this all on himself
Disgusting, given the amount of Federal and DC law enforcement involved in inciting that crowd.
Perhaps it’s the Leftist Libertarian position that federal law enforcement isn’t aligned with the fucking Democrats.
It would be difficult to make the case that Trump was attacked any more than other modern Presidents, or even historical Presidents.
This doesn't even pass the sniff test. Even Jimmy-freakin'-Carter, who knows him a thing or two about negative press coverage, remarked that he's never see the media treat a president the way Trump was treated.
I personally despise the man, but to claim that he's been treated fairly and just like any other politician is completely ridiculous.
Good point. I can't stand the guy either and do not want to see him run this time or ever again. But I love liberty more than I hate Trump. I'm not even saying that I think he is innocent of everything. But Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton's national security advisor; Hillary with deleted files and a server in a closet; Biden with documents in his garage and even Pence with classified documents. Without stretching, these are different?
What left leaners should think about is this: do you really thing that this isn't going to backfire? The standard for persecution by those in power of those you really hate is being set. It is not good.
One thing that Trump was right about was the swamp. It appears he was being too kind calling it the swamp.
Yeah, it's more like Chernobyl after the meltdown.
Of course, anyone who behaves the way Trump allegedly has should be treated the same by the authorities.
But that's not what you want, is it?
Trump was clearly attacked more. To claim otherwise is Mt. Everest levels of disingenuous.
Hasta la vista, baby.
"I think the counts under the Espionage Act ... are solid counts ... If even half of it is true, then he's toast. It's a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning."
When Fatass Donnie loses his attorney toadies like Barr and Jonathan Turley you can be sure he is in deep legal trump-shit.
But it’s cool if joe has papers in his garage.
If he gives them back without a hassle, then yes.
LOL
How about scanning them and keeping them on a private server?
His right to have any of them is...what?
But he didn't 'give them back without a hassle'.
He didn't give them back at all.
He's been illegally taking classified documents since he was a senator and keeping them wherever he wanted.
He did not have the power to de-classify any of them. He can do it now, and may have--AFTER he was made to admit he had them.
But he's been holding classified documents for decades illegally.
Prosecute him, if you think there's actually a case.
Why should Trump get a pass?
It's not cool. Biden should also be in trouble. This is the secondary problem with Trumpism (the primary being a tolerance for "alternative facts"), when they see someone behaving badly, rather than deciding "that's not right" all they can think about is "I should be able to do that too". It is the complete opposite of morality.
Biden should also be in trouble.
But he’s not. And won’t be. Because he gave them back “without a hassle”.
Dumbest take ever.
Trumpocrats are madly scrambling for talking points.
This is the essence of populism, the Strong Man is never wrong. Conservatives are no longer conservative, but populist.
And this is the essence of partisan authoritarians: the state is never wrong (as long as the target is "wrong").
Are you this inflicted with TDS Brandy? The only excuse making is leftist media saying why this is different and you seemingly but into it wholesale.
It’s not cool. Biden should also be in trouble.
If there was one thing that became apparent 2017-2021 is that a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted.
The Mueller report said yes, Fatass Donnie obstructed justice now impeach him or get over it.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
"The Mueller report said yes"
The Mueller report exonerated Trump. As did subsequent inquiries. Stop telling lies.
"...Stop telling lies..."
Uh, that's turd you're addressing. Might just as well tell water to run up-hill.
Did you write that before or after climaxing due to spanking it to kiddie porn?
https://ethicsalarms.com/2023/05/17/assorted-ethics-observations-on-the-durham-report-part-ii-the-substance/
It's pretty damning. Everyone involved in the Russiagate Hoax should be facing long prison sentences, IMHO. Hillary Clinton is perhaps the most manipulative, narcissistic, conniving, amoral, power-hungry, meanest, nastiest politician, let alone person in this country. The damage Nixon wrought by trying to coverup Watergate is mere child's play compared to the damage Mrs. Clinton has wrought.
Here's more from the source of your quote: https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/05/durham-report-proves-what-a-destructive-vicious-damaging-person-hillary-clinton-is-to-our-political-process/
I’m not sure there’s anything that legally can be done. And I think that Jonathan Turley points out what to me is takeaway number three is the media. The media so hated Trump that they interfered in our election. They manipulated our political process and they did it as a group with only a handful of exceptions. And those handful of exceptions were demonized and ostracized and deplatformed. So you have Hillary Clinton, you have the federal government, and you have the mainstream corporate media, completely manipulating our process. And I think you put those three things together, that’s the most depressing side, which is that what the Russia collusion hoax has exposed is a deep corruption in our political process. One that really shattered a lot of people’s faith in the political process. And that really, I think is why you have the toxic politics that we have….
So I think the damage that’s been done is long lasting it tears at the fabric of our society. And it was caused by Hillary Clinton, the federal government and the mainstream corporate media all acting in unison….
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You need to realize what time it is.
Tool time?
Fuck you. You actively ignore the bad behavior of one side and hypocritically call out others for your enabling of misdeeds. You're just pissed others are calling out your preferred two tiered justice system.
I think you replied to the wrong post. Have a nice day though.
This is the secondary problem with Trumpism (the primary being a tolerance for “alternative facts”), when they see someone behaving badly, rather than deciding “that’s not right” all they can think about is “I should be able to do that too”. It is the complete opposite of morality.
So you’re complaining that the Dems’ political opponents see a system of double standards in place, and decide that acting on “principles,” when the other side ignores such things with impunity because they have top cover from their media allies, isn't the way to go?
Like Overt’s brought up before, people like you are far more agitated about the reaction than the action that provoked it in the first place. Prevent the first from happening, and the second won’t be an issue.
There’s no question that, in a normal environment, Trump absolutely should get cornholed for this, because any other person with a security clearance who was that brazenly careless would certainly be. All this shit happened after he no longer had the privilege and protections associated with being President. The reality is that this would have all been moot if Comey had possessed the balls to not let Hillary off the hook for doing the same shit.
Sure... except...
Hillary did not do the same thing.
Hillary set up her own email server and funneled secure state communications through that. Not just secrets, but also stuff illegally copied from secure systems on her orders. But the underlying problem is that she set up the server for one purpose... so she could avoid the open records act and redact any documents she did not want archived. Which means she risked actual state secrets in order to protect herself from having her bad acts revealed.
All of that is much, much worse. The evidence suggests that her server was indeed compromised as well.
And on the creepy president's side? Careless? You sure about that? He had documents he was well within his rights to have, locked in a secure location under surveillance by the secret service. There is pretty much zero chance they were compromised, even if there was anything sensitive there. (lots of former officials get classified briefings after leaving office - to this day. They have stuff that actually is of value, and they use it to serve their corporate clients)
The only "careless" thing Trump did was offer up legal resistance to the Archivist who was pushing to keep everything and anything. One wonders why the urgency? With Obama they just said "sure, your warehouse is now a national archive site."
So your analysis isn't harsh enough.
Can they prove letter of the law violations? Perhaps. But if they can, every prior white house official is probably guilty of worse. They even call consulting with your lawyer about how to get what you want from your case "conspiracy". The indictment is pretty brazen. Which is par for the course for the Feds. So the legal analysts looking at it from that point of view are not wrong. They surely would do the same thing to you or anyone else they wanted to.
But they wouldn't do it to John Sununu. Or hillary Or Joe. Or Barak. Or Bush or Podesta or anyone else who plays nice with the establishment.
This is 100% because they are afraid of him actually trying to drain the swamp if he wins. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. I doubt he could do it. But they are worried he will try, which is why the swamp creatures on the right are on their side.
"...All of that is much, much worse. The evidence suggests that her server was indeed compromised as well..."
Any gov't intell agency in the world that hadn't copied the entire contents of that server within a week of it going on line was run by the drunken nephew of the dictator of that particular country.
Principles matter to the extent that we demand that they matter. I do not want a government of unprincipled people so I do not vote for unprincipled people. The idea that we must stop demanding principled behavior because this is not a “normal environment” is exactly the reason that the “abnormal environment” exists. It is the lack of principles which makes the environment abnormal. Demand principled leaders, even (and especially) when your opponents take the low road. You might not win every time, but when you win it will actually mean something. The country is not automatically better if the man in the oval office caucuses with Team Red, nor is the country automatically worse if the man caucuses with Team Blue. What matters is the principles the man carries.
Support people who take policy positions you agree with, regardless of their party.
Support people who exercise power judiciously and fairly even with those they disagree with, regardless of their party.
Support people who are respectful, honest, faithful, regardless of their party.
Reject people who take policy positions you disagree with, regardless of their party.
Reject people who exercise power capriciously and unfairly, especially with those they disagree with, regardless of their party.
Reject people who are crass, dishonest, and corrupt, regardless of their party.
Oh, you sweet summer child
Principles matter to the extent that we demand that they matter.
No, they don't. This isn't a "speak your desires into being" situation. "Demanding" that principles need to be followed when a large portion of the political class and their supporters said 50 years ago, and as recently as last year, that principles don't matter because our post-fascist period is one of "clear and present danger," renders the entire statement as nothing more than an exercise in impotent rhetoric. Appealing to "the better angels of our nature," as the center-right loves to do, isn't equipped to deal with an ideology that possesses an insane level of will to power. Anyone trying that tack will simply be martyrs.
When the choice becomes "principle" or "self-preservation," the latter will beat out the former time after time after time. Anyone who has read history will understand this.
Prevent the action, and the reaction won't take place. It's really that simple, and really that hard, because it requires work and risk that most of the right has mostly been allergic to since the 1930s.
In short, "principles" is a luxury of a high-trust, culturally homogenous society. That's not the type of country we live in now.
Is there any way to get something more like that?
Wouldn't principles be something that an individual has, independent of their culture?
I mean I'm not unrealistic, I understand how natural it is to adopt your contemporary historical contextual narratives, and how influential that is on your thinking and thus your principles. At the same time, I would say every wonderful individual in America that fights against the mainstream culture and votes libertarian are the most principled of Americans. I think libertarian policy is closer to the intention of the constitution than any other.
At the same time, I would say every wonderful individual in America that fights against the mainstream culture and votes libertarian are the most principled of Americans.
Understood. But that's not what's driving the country's socio-political evolution right now.
By all means, there is absolutely nothing inherently wrong with exercising a principled stance that adopting your opponents' tactics is verboten if they violate those principles. But at the same time, it's important to understand that this is a different animal than what was in place in, say, the 80s and 90s. It's a lot closer to what it was like in the late 60s-early 70s, when the country was in an undeclared civil war and the left was bombing everything. The only real difference between now and then is that they are in charge of the nation's cultural and media institutions now in a way that they never were even in 1968. And they are acting this way specifically because they feel that they've taken control of the demiurge that they railed against for decades, and thus feel entitled to use it for their own purposes.
The closest historical equivalent I can think of is Spain in the 1930s, and that kicked off specifically because the far-left decided to go accelerationist and provoked the right into finally punching back.
So you're just applying the Alinsky rules, got it.
Bidet will be taken down for bribery instead.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Barr was never a toadie.
Not to Trump.
But he was the deep state's mole
I mean, clearly. Utterly proven by what he said. There could be no other explanation!
ENB must be on vacation. There's nothing in the Roundup about sex workers or abortion. 😉
Or weed, ass sex, and open borders.
Get it right. "pot, Mexicans and ass-sex"
Yep, today's was written by Soave. With Trump's latest indictment being announced, she's probably still recovering from becoming dehydrated over the weekend.
*sploosh*
Which makes me wonder if we'll see a Sullum column before 3 pm. That must be a hell of a weekend bender/hangover for him.
Update, 3:30 pm CDT: No Sullum article to be found. Must be a hell of a hangover.
But this is much different. He is not a victim here. He was totally wrong that he had the right to have those documents.
BUT HIS EMAILS.
I’m told if you just give it back “without a hassle”, there is no crime.
Had the former President given the document back when asked by the NARA nothing would have happened. The public would not even know that the documents had been taken.
If the bank robber gave back the money “without a hassle”, he wouldn’t be in jail.
FE - False Equivalency.
It’s not.
How the ever loving fuck is that false equivalancy?
And Trump at least was still President with the power to declassify when he took the documents to Mar-a-Lago. So was Obama when he took classified documents (which he didn't give back either).
But Biden wasn't. Hillary wasn't either. Nor was Pence. Which makes it worse.
There is nothing moderate about Moderation4Ever.
By this logic, Brian Mitchell would not have been guilty of kidnapping if he had just given back Elizabeth Smart...
If the bank robber was a member of the Democratic Party, he wouldn't be in jail.
FIFY
Validated by the history of the BLM riots crimes murders and urban destruction
Anybody that thinks this isn't political persecution needs to kill themselves
Perhaps you should have said, "he wouldn't have been indicted".
Throughout the pandemic, CNN's on-air talent largely defended COVID-19 lockdowns as necessary for health and safety.
"Largely."
Don't forget they also fully supported defamatory hatespeach against the unvaccinated.
Hey, entirely is a type of largely.
The Unabomber is dead! Long live the Unabomber!
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/12/everyones-as-bonkers-as-the-unabomber-now/
The Unabomber is dead, but his deranged ideology lives. Rereading Ted Kaczynski’s cranky manifesto, the most unsettling thing about it is how mainstream it sounds. Oh for the early 1990s when conspiratorial screeds against the evils of the Industrial Revolution were the preserve of murderous hippies in wood cabins. Now they’re 10 a penny. You can’t open a newspaper, switch on a news show or even walk down the street – hello, Just Stop Oil – without encountering a noisy Kaczynski-style lamentation about how the Industrial Revolution ruined everything. Everyone’s as batshit as the Unabomber now.
It is tempting to write Kaczynski off as just another hippy who went off the rails. Another Helter Skelter type: part Charlie Manson, part Weather Underground, all hysteria about The Man and his techno-stranglehold over the masses. There’s just one problem with this dismissiveness: Kaczynski’s hate for modernity is everywhere now. We’re all in the Helter Skelter. Take the Washington Post. It had to be ‘encouraged’ by the attorney general to publish the Unabomber’s tedious rant against industrial society. Now it publishes rants like that every day. ‘World has nine years to avert catastrophic warming’, ‘Should you not have kids because of climate change?’, ‘Avoiding a climate-change apocalypse’, etc etc. All of these are recent headlines from the Post. I’m convinced that had Kaczynski been born a few decades later, and had he trimmed the bits about violent revolution from his scribblings, the Post would happily have given him a column.
Today’s fashionable disdain for the Industrial Revolution is such an irritating luxury belief. Oh I’m sorry that the liberation of humankind from grinding poverty birthed a world in which you spend your every waking hour doom-scrolling on your phone in a big city where you have no friends. But maybe that’s your fault, not the fault of the Spinning Jenny? How awful that the industrious freeing of humanity from feudal oppression, bondage to the land and early death from entirely curable diseases means you sometimes cough as you walk through a park in a gleaming city whose conveniences and liberties our ancestors could only have dreamed of.
Isn’t that what climate-change alarmism really represents? A political veneer for the narcissistic frustrations of the upper-middle classes who cannot believe they have to live with the tiny nuisances that spring from yesteryear’s revolutionary liberation of the peasantry from slavery and ignorance?
Remember when they did quizzes to see if people could tell whether a passage was from The Unabomber Manifesto or An Inconvenient Truth?
It would be amusing if the test included some pull-quotes from "The Population Bomb"
Let's run a test.
A) "The day may come when the obese people of the world must give up diets, since metabolizing their fat deposits will lead to DDT poisoning. But, on the bright side, it is clear that fewer and fewer people in the future will be obese!"
B) "The system is currently engaged in a desperate struggle to overcome certain problems that threaten its survival, among which the problems of human behavior are the most important. If the system succeeds in acquiring sufficient control over human behavior quickly enough, it will probably survive. Otherwise it will break down. We think the issue will most likely be resolved within the next several decades, say 40 to 100 years."
Which is which?
B is Ted k.
Yes. It's actually far less crazy and more readable than Paul Ehrlich's screed.
Whatever else you might say about him, he was a very smart guy. His analysis of the left that I saw the other day was pretty spot on.
Well, I read "Pop-Bomb" in the '70s, (admission; took a year or so to dismiss it); never read the Unabomber crap.
Between those two quotes, I could only flip a coin.
A is most likely The Population Bomb. The hand-wringing over DDT is very 1970's.
B, I'm not as sure about. I'm gonna go with An Inconvenient Truth but it could just as easily be The Unabomber Manifesto.
A - "The Population Bomb"
B - "The Unabomber Manifesto"
The best thing we can do for anti-industrial luddites is give them what they want. Let's exile them to a designated pre-industrial homeland, and make sure they can live pure lives, uncontaminated by the toxicity of modern technology.
Well, that's what Ted did to himself and he still couldn't help himself and had to blow some people up.
Technically, he wasn't even able to do that. He literally wanted to be nothing more than a mountain hermit, and what set him off was industrial encroachment on his shack.
I guess the article author is just going to gloss over the fact that Uncle Ted was abused by the government as part of MK Ultra, and might have had a damn good reason for developing his hatred of industrialization and its dehumanizing results.
Not to mention the ignorance of the flip side of that coin, which has been the creation of weapons of mass destruction, justification of genocide, and the rise of globalist technocracy that's more sinister and authoritarian than even the Gaia-worshippers could manage to be (leaving aside the fact that the oligarchs have co-opted this movement for their own half-baked authoritarian purposes).
And lets not think that the Unabomber's manifesto is all that radical in its warnings about the dehumanizing effects of technology and its influence on government systems. Take this statement, for example:
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been over shadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.
This wasn't the ranting of some technophobic crank; it was the warning of someone who'd seen the dark side of rapid technological advancement on industrial society first-hand.
The point is that rapid technological advancement can lead to evils of their own kind that may not necessarily be canceled out by the good they engender. While its philosophical roots predate the Industrial Revolution, it was the event itself and the socio-economic dysfunctions that it caused which led Marx to create his theological system of gnostic apocalypticism that's led to well over 100 million or more deaths. It's led to a global nuclear arsenal that's only prevented from being let off the hook by the fact that the people in charge of them have something to lose if they do. For all the possibilities and information advancements, that DARPA letting the internet into the wild has done, it's counter-balanced by the social maladaptions that it has caused that have increased atomization and decreased the high-trust environment needed to maintain social stability.
The author really needs to get off his high horse and acknowledge that not everything about the Industrial Revolution has been a blessing. His perspective is just as blinkered as Uncle Ted's was.
No one was as blinkered as Uncle Ted when he drove off Chappaquiddick.
I think "knackered" is the term you're searching for there.
War, Genocide, and Tyranny all pre-dated the Industrial Revolution. It was just slow-motion, hand-crafted, artesanal, and local.
An out-of-control Government does not negate the benefits of microwaves, smart-ass, and steel-belted radials. If anything, the benefits of the latter make limiting Government all the more pressing for Human Florishing.
As for Unabomber apple-polishers, I say do as he did, and I say it from the same electronic media:
"Go to bed, Spotty!" 🙂
https://youtu.be/CmSL41CAR6o
Correction: Smartpads, not smart ass, though smart-asses are what we can be with today's technology. 🙂
"Don't ask questions, just consume product, then get excited for next products."
Isn’t that what climate-change alarmism really represents?
No.
Yeah, it's affluent limousine liberals who can afford to care and have the free time to do all the virtue signaling they want. They didn't work for what they have and now they feel guilty about it and have embraced Marxism and all of its pet causes as a way to atone.
Watermelons: Green on the outside, pinko/red to the core.
Today’s fashionable disdain for the Industrial Revolution is such an irritating luxury belief.
This, 100%. Environmentalism, or at least the Anti-Carbon Cult that it's devolved into, is the ultimate "first world problem."
This is obviously true, given that only the first world gives any fucks about it whatsoever. It's clearly a luxury concern.
India, China, Russia, and basically the entire planet outside the United States and Europe don't care about climate change outside the massive transfer payments we send to them for token actions on their part.
Labeling CO2 a serious threat to the planet was the clue that they were going after industry just for existing. It's been several thousand PPM higher than today in just the past few million years, making this such an obvious con that it takes true believer religious types to actually swallow the lie.
Notice they go after trace gasses instead of actual pollution. That's another clue.
Notice they go after trace gasses instead of actual pollution. That’s another clue.
Yeah, these people always have to find some new dragon to slay. It's hardly a coincidence that "greenhouse gases" started becoming a bugaboo after stuff like the Clean Air Act mostly led to actual industrial pollution being reduced in the west by the late 80s.
It’s been several thousand PPM higher than today in just the past few million years,
A lie. See, for example.
https://today.tamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/66millionYears-CO2_1200w.png
By implication, you're saying that CO2 levels in the thousands wouldn't be appreciably different from the current environment.
It had been over 2000 ppm - with 100% humidity, very high temperatures and no ice caps - hence high sea levels, and overall an environment not conducive to human life.
He needs a Fleet Enema and a matchbox casket and set right next to Pat Robertson’s and Jerry Falwell’s matchbox caskets.
The most delicious irony was that the Unabomber died while getting modern medical care and not leeches and Witch-Doctor treatments from his beloved “Golden Age.”
No, you moron, he died from hanging himself. That might be "modern medicine" in Canada now, but it's not actually medical care.
Republican candidates are making a foolish mistake. Supporting the former President now will get them nothing from the base. It only costs them in the general election should they get the nomination.
Follow the regime, not your conscience.
Republican candidates are making a foolish mistake.
It's the Cult of Donnie.
Cult leaders enjoy loyalty until death. But the David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Bagwan Shree Rajneesh types always leave a void when they meet their end.
Speak for yourself with the Cult of Obama, the Messiah who will heal the Earth and single-handedly stop the rise of the oceans.
I thought that was Gore?
You forgot he invented the internet.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Imagine if Nixon had this Republican Party. Ford pardoned him to prevent a crisis, but otherwise they all pretty much admitted he was in the wrong. Forward to today, and they would defend Trump no matter what. The very notion of whether he is right or wrong doesn't even enter into their calculus. No one is defending what he did, everyone is screaming that Biden did the same. That's not a defense. It's childish because that's literally what children do. "But he did it too, dad, he did it too!"
It's worth noting if prosecution is one-sided even if you happen to not like the person they're prosecuting.
You can certainly view it as people making excuses for Trump, but it's just as easy to imagine it's demands for Biden to face the same consequences.
Which, of course, will never happen which is basically the entire point.
You can certainly view it as people making excuses for Trump, but it’s just as easy to imagine it’s demands for Biden to face the same consequences.
^
Trump stands accused of being a careless jackass who's more concerned with puffing up his ego than with keeping state secrets.
Biden (and HRC) stand accused of taking bribes from foreign interests to use their positions to influence US policy to the benefit of said foreign interests.
Both things are crimes, but the second one is worse. Far worse.
Not to mention there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Trump's ham-fisted handling of classified documents, and what Biden or Hillary have done by putting that shit in their garage or spilling it across digital domains. All three were done in a careless manner and for their own self-interest.
I would even go so far as to suggest that Trump's behavior implies no particularly ill intent besides the obvious "look at me and how important I am." Which is not to say that he hasn't potentially put sensitive information dangerously at risk in a way that makes me not want him to have access to that information, but I would think if he intended actual crimes he wouldn't be so careless. He would behave more like Biden and HRC, who have shown much more deliberate efforts to conceal what they've been doing.
That's fair, because everything Trump does is certianly in service of puffing himself up. I think he's honestly flabbergasted that he's had his status as a made man revoked and that he's not able to get away with the sort of stuff that he used to 15 years ago, while Biden and Hillary retain that same privilege.
Sure, if there were actually credible evidence those things happened. Prosecute all you want!
And I agree that this case is not really important. Yes, it involves federal crimes, but it involves nothing exactly "democracy threatening". The only reason it has progressed this far is because Trump's mental derangement caused him to allegedly obstruct justice to protect his "precious" trophy documents...
But it is Trump's alleged attempt to steal an election victory in Georgia which I'm most looking forward to reading more about. That would be evidence of one of the highest forms of corruption a politician can hope to attain.
Senators can keep classified documents?
Imagine if Nixon had this Republican Party. Ford pardoned him to prevent a crisis, but otherwise they all pretty much admitted he was in the wrong. Forward to today, and they would defend Trump no matter what.
Here's the thing--Nixon wasn't doing anything that LBJ or Kennedy hadn't done before him. He simply got the hook because he wasn't a Democrat, and because the Republican leaders in Congress were trying to mitigate their inevitable losses (i.e., save their own asses) in the next two election cycles.
The lesson that came out of that was that, and several subsequent election cycles after Reagan left office, was that you might as well double down when the press and the left-liberal establishment goes after you, because they're going to do it anyway no matter how nice the guy might be. Trump is the logical result of a special pleading press corps and a statist leviathan designed to go full-bore after anyone that might threaten its sinecures, in a country where, pretensions about "centrism" and "independence" notwithstanding, is actually divided roughly 45%-40% for both sides.
You are literally defending a corrupt weaponization of the state brandy. That is the issue. Youre too dumb to see it.
It doesn't matter who the Republican nominee is. Republicans will not be permitted to win a presidential election.
No point in voting, then!
For sound economic perspective go to https://honesteconomics.substack.com/
Nothing honest about that website.
shedding crocodile tears, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis condemned the weaponization of federal law enforcement
In his case, wouldn't that be alligator tears?
How about Crocodilia tears?
Apologists for the five finger discount.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/12/apologists-for-shoplifting/
‘Every little helps.’ That’s the famous slogan of the UK’s largest supermarket, Tesco. Now it has been appropriated by one middle-class journalist to justify ‘cheeky’ shoplifting sprees. Apparently, the cost-of-living crisis is an excuse for thieving. According to the anonymous author writing in the Telegraph earlier this month, it is all the supermarkets’ fault anyway. They are the ones making thievery so easy, by replacing cashiers with self-service checkouts and mobile self-scanning apps.
Now, as the cost-of-living crisis continues to bite, we see middle-class radicals once again attempting to reframe petty crime as justified, or even moral. Last year, shoplifting rose by 22 per cent in England and Wales. And some have defended it as an understandable act of despair by the poor. As Guardian commentator Owen Jones put it last year, the ‘real crime’ is that the government lets people live in poverty.
Meanwhile, others argue that shoplifting is the greedy supermarkets’ fault, for ‘profiteering’ during the inflation crisis. This ignores the fact that the big supermarkets’ profit rates have actually fallen as inflation has risen. Besides, since when did profit margins become a justification for lowlife criminality?
Despite what the woke say, shoplifting is not a harmless, victimless crime. Retail workers are often harassed, abused and physically injured in the process. It is often forgotten that during the 2011 London riots, five people were killed by looters on the rampage – three of whom were attempting to protect their neighbourhoods and businesses.
Eh, it won't last. Prices will go up to compensate, or anti-shop lifting measures will be put in place in hot spots. Like that pharmacy that does the shopping for you in California.
Time for a field trip to SFC.
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1668244488517570560?t=7ej0yIM8qN_fmJ6QvCkneA&s=19
The court files related to Trump’s lawsuit seeking a special master offer far more info than Smith’s indictment. Be wary of those commenting on classified docs case who didn’t follow that lawsuit or aren’t getting up to speed on the timeline and events.
To me, Trump’s biggest mistake was not fighting the ridiculously broad subpoena for all documents with “classified markings.” (Another Beryl Howell dandy.) NO president would’ve willingly complied the way Trump did (of course no former president would’ve faced such a subpoena.)
In less than a month, he and his team conducted searches for request docs. Trump delayed moving to Bedminster for the summer to greet Jay Bratt (DOJ counterintelligence chief) and FBI investigators at MAL. He offered his cooperation. They produced more documents.
Were mistakes made? Probably. But Smith’s accusation that there was a “willful” attempt to hide national defense docs (not part of May 2022 subpoena BTW) is false on its face.
And Smith’s investigative coup is WHOLLY reliant on Obama judge Beryl Howell, which is why Garland then Smith conducted all its work in DC then switched to FLA at the last minute.
Anyone insisting this process and indictment are legit is either uninformed or spinning for political purposes.
Everyone knows that Smith has Merrick Garland's hand up his ass and is acting as his puppet.
The fact that Smiths primary aide as SP had to be forcefully removed as a prosecutor due to misconduct, just like Mullers attack dog, speaks to the purpose of this.
"The Supreme Court is expected to rule on race-based admissions for colleges any day now."
If I had to guess, I think racial preferences will survive. The SC might not have the backbone to withstand another "crippling blow to its legitimacy" (IOW progs whining about any outcome they don't like).
#DiversityAboveAll
I really hope that isn't true, but I suspect it is. AA is built into every level of society now. The pajamas would be extreme.
Skin color is the most important thing
Marxism is the most important thing; skin color is just a tactic.
Forgive me if this sounds harsh.
At a certain point I just have to shrug when people get exactly what they voted for. As long as Asian Americans overwhelmingly vote Democrat I won't lose sleep about the way racial preferences impact them.
I never get what I vote for.
Pretty sure a tax increase I voted against last election didn't pass, so there's that/
The irony of Democrats constantly claiming that Republicans "vote against their own self-interest" is that the exact same observation can be made about them when they end up being a political monoculture as they are on the west coast and New York.
The "voting against self interest" thing is so dumb. Do these people also go and harangue rich Democrats for voting against their self interests?
Ots just one of their shibboleths to prop up their false sense of smug superiority
According to some, racial discrimination has always been built into every aspect of society. AA is just white people getting their comeuppance.
We can only be equally if everyone is suffering.
I think racial preferences will survive.
With the new precedent set by the overturning of Roe, we would have heard by now if they weren’t.
Trump's Own Attorney General Says Indictment Is 'Very, Very Damning'
You misspelled "man who hates Trump"
I first read the title as "Trump’s Own Attorney Says Indictment Is ‘Very, Very Damning’"
Then I saw it was Barr, the guy that was gaslighting Trump.
Geez Robby, enough of us know who's who and what they were up to.
Everyone who turns against Trump (and it’s quite a long list, for some reason) turns out to have been someone Trump “didn’t know well”, or did know, but because Trump was such an astute judge of character, had no fucking clue who they really were when he chose them.
https://twitter.com/hemingquay/status/1668083397908938752?t=PXEPy7Tu4LE1hIa3KQJgTA&s=19
I’ll never get over the fact that a trans person shot a bunch of Christians, and every American institution spent the next week asking if trans people were ok.
They hate you. They want you dead. It’s very important that you be clear-eyed about that.
Yeah, tiny bit fucked up, but predictable.
And they got so upset if anyone deadnamed or misgendered the shooter.
Worse than bullets!
LOL. The media was the one dead naming the shooter, didn't want to give trannies a bad name.
They're still doing it. And Reason says "everyone else is, so we will too."
The People's Democratic Republic of Illinois as run by the CTU.
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-teachers-union-repeatedly-pushes-for-tax-hikes-in-springfield/
The Chicago Teachers Union registered its opinion on legislation more than 1,360 times in just six legislative sessions. Its legislative priorities would drive up taxes and make government more expensive, no matter where you live in Illinois.
In addition to policies that could hurt kids and families, CTU advocated for many bills that could hurt taxpayers. Some policies would directly raise taxes, while others would make government more expensive and leave taxpayers to pay the bill.
For example, CTU filed a witness slip in favor of multiple bills creating a progressive income tax on Illinoisans. Billed as a “fair tax,” a progressive income tax would have placed new taxes on businesses and individuals and opened the door to taxing retirement income in Illinois. It could also allow creation of municipal income taxes.
Illinois currently does not allow for municipal income taxes and has a flat income tax.
CTU also slipped in favor of at least two bills imposing a “privilege tax” of 20%, in addition to other already existing taxes, on partnerships and S corporations engaged in investment management services.
The union also slipped in favor of at least two bills creating a tax on financial transactions. A transaction tax, which is a tax on buying and selling financial assets such as stocks and bonds, could make it impossible for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange to continue doing business in Illinois. CTU’s former lobbyist, Johnson, wants to impose that tax in Chicago.
But grocery stores are “greedy”.
Nobody needs 23 kinds of freedom.
Or 23 kinds of schools.
https://twitter.com/Styx666Official/status/1668165728791322624?t=fwazuj0WPuQiEmHh_4Nhvw&s=19
Let's play a game of... "GUESS THE DEMOGRAPHICS!"
[Headline: A third of young men in Germany think violence against women is 'acceptable' study finds]
Equal rights, equal fights.
Well, if equality means equal access to good pussy, then they might be right.
The third of young men in Germany named Mohammed would be my guess.
Or now identify as women.
It's Germany, so the answer's Nazi's, right? /sarc
"Chevron admits it took down public art project that criticized the oil giant"
[...]
"The mystery of who removed the colorful wooden slats of a Richmond public art project criticizing Chevron has been solved.
It was Chevron, a spokesman for the oil company admitted on Wednesday.
Fencelines, a public art display consisting of colorful wooden slats inserted into the openings of a chain link fence between North Richmond neighborhoods and Chevron’s refinery, was a community project, conceived, created and installed over three years as an environmental justice message..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/chevron-admits-it-took-down-public-art-project-that-criticized-the-oil-giant/ar-AA1cgqUQ#:~:text=The%20mystery%20of%20who%20removed%20the%20colorful%20wooden,spokesman%20for%20the%20oil%20company%20admitted%20on%20Wednesday.
It was anti-oil propaganda inserted into Chevron's fence.
Colorful slats of wood are an “environmental message “.
They cut down trees to send a message to an oil company. Smart.
And moved those sticks from the forest to the Bay Area on the backs of Unicorns!
And probably painted them with oil based paint.
In rainbow colors.
That's wood slats of color, bigot
Wow, Chevron removed the anti-Chevron message that was put on Chevron's property? How utterly expected.
And fascist, right?
BTW:
"...a community project, conceived, created and installed over three years as an environmental justice message…”
The refinery was there first and then people moved in next to it. But Chevron is guilty of 'environmental injustice'!
And by "community" they mean an architect from Oakland with a Masters in Landscape Architecture from UPenn and a museum curator with degrees from UCSD and JFK. I'm guessing the "public" part comes from the Richmond Progressive Alliance, which has a supermajority on the Richmond city council at the moment.
My guess is that exactly zero members of the actual "community" of North Richmond sobered up long enough to participate in any of this.
I've noticed that progressives have been employing the word "community" quite a bit as a buzzphrase to imply that their actions are some sort of grassroots initiative rather than a typical grift or plain old anarchism. It appears to be part of the "Unity-Criticism-Unity" strategy they use these days as neo-Maoists.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1667699405384720384?t=T7m3W77c9oDV2aD5q5f7Ug&s=19
US flag code decrees that the American flag must always be in the dominant, not subservient position.
Joe Biden “Commander and Chief” defaced the American flag by flanking the alphabet cult flag at the White House today.
The enemy is inside the castle walls.
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If I were to create a flag that repesented everybody but straight white people, what would that look like?
It would sort of look like the GhostBuster's logo, but with a generic looking white guy and girl kissing.
Black with a skull and crossed bones?
Glad to see they used the Hugo Boss-like version. That's my favorite Pride Flag.
Microsoft created some fucked-up mishmash of every single sexual wierdo "community"'s flag that looked like something designed to induce seizures.
Why did it occur to anyone to fly this rainbiow flag above the American flag?
Would they do this for the Scientology flag?
Or the Knights of Columbus flag?
Yes, and yes.
Wrong. We Knights are patriots and would never put our flag above the U.S. Flag.
Have they?
I find it hard to believe you actually think they would fly the Scientology flag as equal to the American flag.
The amount of assumptions brandy has that are wrong are legion.
Er, what happened to the big flag on top of the White House?
Did Biden have it taken down, so that the pride flag could be flanked at the same level as the two American flags next to it?
Or did you just fall for another social media hoax?
Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has died.
The first of the post-financial crisis populists soon followed by Duterte, Bolsonaro, Modi, Trump et al.
Yes, people die at some point.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Even evil like George Soros must die too.
I hope like some corrupt pharaoh Soros takes his most ardent supporters to the afterlife with him.
The thought of Shrike entombed alive in a mausoleum with his master's corpse, makes me chuckle.
I imagine something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxjWIFNQRV8
I immediately thought of this
That's a good one too, LOL!
Yeah, but that's going to require a wooden stake, decapitation, immersion of the remains in a barrel of holy water, and sanctification of the burial site to actually accomplish it.
Was he vaxxed? (:
Don't forget Putin...
Don't ever forget Putin.
Audacity and criminality.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/11/biden-laughs-off-fbi-bribery-claims-as-evidence-against-him-and-hunter-mounts/
When the walls are closing in, he laughs in your face and dares you to come after him.
He did it last week when he laughed at a question about “damning evidence in an FBI file” that he allegedly took a $5 million bribe from a Ukrainian energy company in return for a policy decision when he was vice president.
But his cockiness in the face of mounting evidence before the House Oversight Committee of shady foreign millions flowing into Biden family bank accounts needs to be understood, not only in terms of his personality, but in the context of whistleblower claims about an FBI cover-up.
Most disturbing are claims by two IRS whistleblowers that the Department of Justice has sabotaged the investigation into Hunter’s foreign business dealings that has been conducted by Delaware US Attorney David Weiss since 2018.
Those claims were compounded last week when James Comer (R-Ky.), the House Oversight chairman, forced the FBI, under threat of contempt charges, to show him an unclassified document, known as an FD-1023, dated June 30, 2020, detailing allegations by a trusted, paid, long-term FBI informant that Joe and Hunter Biden received $5 million apiece as a bribe during his vice presidency.
Thanks to two senior IRS whistleblowers, we have insight into the internal conflict that has plagued Weiss’ investigation into Hunter, at least since early 2020, amid claims of interference from “main Justice,” the Justice Department’s headquarters in Washington, DC, where the attorney general and other top political appointees work.
Last week, a second IRS whistleblower from Weiss’ team, who had worked on the Hunter case since it was opened in 2018, also testified to Congress, accusing the DOJ of “acting inappropriately” and alleging he was removed from the case for doing the “right thing.”
According to the Brady source and three congressional sources who viewed the new FD-1023 last week, the document is very detailed, referring to multiple meetings and phone calls with Zlochevsky with other people present.
It details a bribery scheme in which Zlochevsky said he had to pay Hunter and Joe Biden $5 million each to make sure there were “no problems” for Burisma, including in a potential acquisition of an American oil and gas company.
Out of fairness to everyone involved, the American people need an explanation. Gone are the days when the American people take the FBI or the DOJ — or the president, for that matter — at their word.
But if he gives back the money “without a hassle”, all is well.
Is it out in his garage?
Locked up with the corvette, so you know it’s safe.
Why not have a nice snap impeachment and find out?
The only reason I can figure that they are fighting the disclosure so hard is it is too far out from the election, they had planned to release it too close to the election for a serious primary challenge to mounted then they would replace him at the convention with who they really want to run….Michelle Obama. If he is forced out to early, then there will be a challenge and someone may actually win the Primary they cannot control.
The "only reason you can figure" is that Democrats wanted to release the damning information closer to the primaries to sabotage Biden and install their "chosen girl" to lead the fight against The Donald?
Why couldn't these scheming Democrats just nominate someone else? Biden's awesome popularity?
Pro Publica and rank hypocrisy.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/11/propublicas-rank-hypocrisy-exposes-it-as-just-another-lefty-weapon/
How about that: Lefty “public interest” journalism nonprofit ProPublica is guilty of one of the very “sins” it’s been scourging some righties over.
Specifically, a Post exposé reveals that ProPublica gets millions from donors it refuses to name.
Such “non-transparency” was the basis of its recent slams at the likes of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and legal activist Leonard Leo.
Per its 2022 documents, almost $10 million in funding came from two donors whose names went undisclosed — accounting for a quarter of the site’s revenues.
The outfit’s leaders pal around with (and presumably get bucks from) boldface names like Charles Rockefeller, venture capitalist Joy Marcus and other elites. Why don’t these fatcats get the treatment extended to Thomas’ friend Harlan Crow, or the donors who fund Leo’s efforts?
Indeed, some donors we do know about are working to make society worse, like crime-loving billionaire George Soros. (And now “more political” son Alex Soros is taking over his empire.)
But it’s damning that ProPublica refuses to live by the transparency gospel it preaches: For all its pretense to be a righteous gadfly, it’s just one more institution weaponized by the big-bucks left.
Don't you understand "elite"?
Yes, but “liberating tolerance” consists of toleration of movements from the left, and intoleration of movements from the right, you see. So it’s completely okay for them to excoriate their opponents for supposedly doing what they’re already indulging in.
And guys like noob above, or neocon prigs like the Dispatch crowd such as Jonah Goldberg, Allahpundit, Patrick Frey, and Kevin Williamson, wonder why the right decides that this whole devotion to “principles” thing isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.
How would the Espionage Act distinguish between “actual spies” and “those who seek to inform the American people” as if there were an obvious bright line difference between the two rather than a difference of alleged intent rather than action?
If you could use one definition to "get Trump", why, anyone could see the difference.
Wouldn't "actual spies" be in the employ of a foreign government?
They could just be shopping them around or leaving them accessible through a venture owned by the alleged spy and funded by a foreign power.
"How would the Espionage Act distinguish between “actual spies” and “those who seek to inform the American people”"
How do they like their martinis?
"S.F. puts the brakes on new retail pot-seller permits. Here’s why"
[...]
"San Francisco supervisors on Tuesday unanimously voted to halt applications for cannabis retail permits, citing a [...] saturated marketplace
[...]
Local pot entrepreneurs and their supporters said that businesses are buffeted by challenges in recent years: crushing federal and state taxes, a lack of access to traditional capital.
In San Francisco, they are also dealing with commercial burglaries and a flood of cheap, illegal pot on the unregulated market...
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/s-f-supervisors-halt-cannabis-permits-18138747.php#:~:text=San%20Francisco%20supervisors%20on%20Tuesday%20unanimously%20voted%20to,of%20many%20extant%20pot%20shops%20in%20the%20city.
If the 'market' were 'saturated', there would be no reason to halt permits; no one would want one.
And the rest is just an admission of how CA (and SF) have screwed the pooch when it comes to 'legalizing' weed.
Is there anything SFC government can't fuck up?
Ya know how some quotes stick to your mind like gum to your shoe sole?
Gerald Weinberg, "World at Arms" (V good overall WWII book), regarding the surrender of the Italian gov't in '43:
'If there was anything the Italian government did not screw up in the surrender process, it has not yet come to light'.
SF gov't, too.
This is the liberation we demanded.
So let me get this straight.
In order to stem the "flood of cheap, illegal pot on the unregulated market" we're going to deny permits to legal, regulated vendors?
https://twitter.com/Hrstyyy/status/1668042442807934980?t=yEeN2G0yg8YZMmM-NnNGbA&s=19
Who's the definition of a 'stupid person's idea of a clever person'
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Someone had to finally point that out.
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And people keep forgetting how unbelievably horrible he was for his last few years. Colbert levels of not funny.
Check out his early appearances on Ed Sullivan.
Google "you tube george carlin ed sullivan"
Cringeworthy.
My favorite good comedian stinking it up on Ed Sullivan was Richard Pryor. When he was forced to clean up his act for 60s TV it was hard to watch!
Robby's ilk...
https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1668083952039362561?t=bEHv1355fdKfEyUQKjFjKQ&s=19
How Ukraine's dam collapse could become the country's 'Chernobyl'
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2nd Chernobyl?
Proof again that Journalism is overcrowded with zoomers and millennials that literally have no idea what the fuck is going on.
Not even a year and a half ago the "Russians blowing up chernobyl again" was a mass media talking point...
Looks like a Gen-Xer or Boomer noticed the headline and fixed it. The headline now reads: "How Ukraine's Dam Collapse Could Have 'Generational' Consequences"
How Ukraine’s dam collapse could become the country’s ‘Chernobyl’
It doesn’t take 10,000 years for water to evaporate.
Editorially, CNN eagerly embraced the idea that opening up the economy was reckless in the face of COVID-19. But network executive Allison Gollust—herself involved in a secret romance with former CNN boss Jeff Zucker—sent the governor a message on September 22, 2020, asking him about movie theaters.
Democracy Dies in Synergy.
Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has died.
Angela Merkel hardest hit.
Not hard enough.
The Sith Lord and his Apprentice.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/george-soros-skips-former-heir-apparent-hands-reins-empire-more-political-son-alex
George Soros is handing control of his $25 billion empire to his son Alex - who in recent years has been seen flying around the world to conduct business on behalf of his family's Open Society Foundation.
In doing so, the 92-year-old Soros is passing over the family's one-time 'heir apparent,' Jonathan Soros, 52 - the third child from George's first marriage, and a Harvard-trained lawyer who stabilized the Soros investment firm after a tumultuous period saw several investment chiefs come and go.
Enter Alex - the oldest of two sons from George's 2nd wife, Susan Weber, who was elected chairman of the Open Society Foundation in December and is now responsible for directing political activity as president of Soros' super PAC.
"I’m more political" said Alex, who recently met with officials from the Biden administration, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and heads of state such as Brazil’s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to discuss affairs related to the Open Society Foundation - which donates roughly $1.5 billion per year to various causes and groups around the world.
According to Alex, he's concerned about the prospect of Donald Trump retaking the White House in 2024 - and has suggested a 'significant financial role' for the Soros organization in the effort to defeat him.
According to Elon Musk - who recently compared George Soros to supervillain Magneto, the selection of Alex was "just a formality," as "Alex has been de facto in charge for several years."
Passed the business man over for the activist. Makes sense for Soros.
With any luck he will bankrupt the organization in short order.
With the amount of money and assets Soros has, it would be extremely hard to do. Momentum on those types of fortunes will keep it going for a couple generations.
Alex doesn't have George's mastery of investing/currency/capital.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
You did see where his other son saved the organization, right?
A silver spoon billionaire plans to spend part of daddy's fortune promoting open borders and soft-on-crime policies?
#IveHeardThisOneBefore
Open Society priorities:
End the Drug War
End Police Brutality
End overzealous prosecutors
End authoritarian governments
Support Democracy and right to vote
encourage Freedom of Movement/Migration
Yeah, I can see why you wingnuts hate Open Society.
And who they fund...
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/open-society-foundations/
In the United States, OSF’s U.S. Programs have given hundreds of millions to left-wing political organizations, including multi-million dollar gifts to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Planned Parenthood, the Robin Hood Foundation, the Tides Foundation, the Brennan Center for Justice, and Alliance for Citizenship, among numerous others. Confidential documents (available here) indicate that the OSF’s U.S. Programs agenda prioritizes a number of liberal issue prerogatives and funds left-wing organizations to carry out these policies. Some of these prerogatives include enacting liberal comprehensive immigration reform (including a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants), cutting the number of prison inmates by 50 percent, increasing welfare handouts, and raising taxes to redistribute wealth. OSF has also been criticized for “compromising” American foreign policy.
There's a whole list there, detailed as to who got what. Below is just the top ten.
Grantee Name Amount $
1 Drug Policy Alliance 62.0M
2 Robin Hood Foundation 50.0M
3 State of New York’s Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance 35.0M
4 American Civil Liberties Union Foundation, Inc. 27.7M
5 The Fund for Public Schools, Inc. 22.2M
6 Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc. 20.0M
7 Fund for the City of New York 12.5M
8 Tides Foundation 10.1M
9 The Mayor’s Fund to Advance New York City 8.6M
10 ABT Associates Inc. 8.0M
9 The Mayor’s Fund to Advance New York City 8.6M
?!!
not only does turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lie; it’s all he ever does. He further promotes lefty propaganda wherever he finds it.
Make no mistake, turd does not do this as a conscious effort; turd is far too stupid to do so. turd is simply too stupid to comprehend the notion of "propaganda"! turd is one STUPID fuck!
If anything turd posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"End authoritarian governments"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
this is pollyanna high-school level planning of a "great society" and not for serious people. "Support democracy and right to vote" and yet "End the Drug War" which is overwhelmingly supported by all democratic societies lol
Just childish
It's just a bunch of words anyway, because their actions demonstrate the opposite.
What they say:
End the Drug War
End Police Brutality
End overzealous prosecutors
End authoritarian governments
Support Democracy and right to vote
encourage Freedom of Movement/Migration
What they do:
Create open sewers of homeless drug addicts
Prevent prosecutions of crimes
Release violent criminals back into society
Promote left-wing authoritarianism
Support ballot stuffing
Encourage submission to global technocracy
Yeah, it's not hard to see why the hicklib pederast shills for them.
who recently met with officials from the Biden administration, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and heads of state such as Brazil’s President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to discuss affairs related to the Open Society Foundation – which donates roughly $1.5 billion per year to various causes and groups around the world.
He just donates to political causes, you know, like any other normie would.
...Ajit Pai looks back at the end of Net Neutrality and notes that the internet is still here.
BARELY.
But it turned into a hellscape.
Cause and effect?
The Supreme Court is expected to rule on race-based admissions for colleges any day now.
We're about to see how white Asian kids really are.
Did not the Supreme Court already rule on race-based admissions for public schools way back in the 1950's?
A major highway collapsed in Philadelphia due to a tanker fire underneath it.
Unfortunately Filthacrapia is still accessible.
I thought fuel couldn’t melt steel beams?
Tennis star Novak Djokovic, who was denied entry to the U.S. because of his unvaccinated status, won the French Open.
A victory for Pure Bloods everywhere.
Seriously, this and the Atlanta Braves winning the World Series are two of the biggest "fuck you"s that the left-liberal establishment has received in the last couple of years.
The best thing he could do is tell the media, "I really don't need to go to this year's US Open; one Serbian dominating your athletes is humiliating enough."
(referring to Nikola Jokic, for anyone confused by the statement)
This is a great example of how disingenuous the media is:
At the French Open last week, the 36-year-old Serb courted controversy when, after his victory over Aleksandar Kovacevic, he grabbed a pen and wrote (in Serbian) on the lens of a TV camera: ‘Kosovo is at the heart of Serbia, stop the violence’ — a nationalist message at odds with Kosovo’s claim as an independent state and on the very same day that Serbians clashed with Kosovo’s police and NATO-led peacekeepers in northern Kosovo.
This is the same class of people who think it’s stupid for red counties to split off from the deep blue dysfunctional city-states controlling them.
And the same who say killing people in the Donbas and Crimea is Ukraine fighting to save democracy
That's good colonialism.
But Trump's own attorney general, Bill Barr, thinks the indictment is "very, very damning."
Remember that he was George Bush's attorney general first, proof that Trump doesn't know how to pick the very best. Trump has always been a one-man show, he doesn't know the first damn thing about picking lieutenants beyond judging how much they kiss his ass. But like many people with deficiencies, he is supremely confident he's not deficient.
Seek treatment; it isn't a death sentence.
Yep.
Forget bears in trunks, it's bears in trunks!
https://www.cnn.com/travel/travel-bear-swimming-florida-beach/index.html
Three words a crowd of Florida beachgoers didn’t expect to hear during their Sunday in the sun: “It’s a bear!”
A bear was spotted splashing through the Gulf of Mexico before running up the shore at Destin, a coastal city in northwestern Florida’s Panhandle region, just before noon local time on June 11.
“I guess he’s on vacation too,” Saddler joked. She said the bear safely made it to the shore and then ran off.
Is Jeff in Florida?
She said the bear safely made it to the shore and then ran off.
Without mauling a soul. I guess this was not one of Jeff's Trunk bears, just a bear without trunks going for a swim.
NAP non-violation.
Even the bears are fleeing California for Florida.
Well, they do support the right to arm bears.
Are picnic basket thefts up?
The schools reject those claims. They have said race is determinative in only a small number of cases
Exactly! Like hate is determinative in only a small number of cases of murder!
I know to a metaphysical certainty that this is a lie.
Watching my neices and nephews applying to college put the lie to this. They all watched minority kids who finished well behind them in every objective criteria get scholarship offers to schools to which they did not even get accepted. Race is the primary factor at most top schools.
The top schoola all get plenty of qualified applicants. They can afford to to trim off 30% of their white applicants and still get top candidates. They probably prune 60% of their Asian applicants.
'Writing for The Free Press, Eli Lake notes that the law "does not distinguish between actual spies—people who give or sell state secrets to a foreign power—and those who seek to inform the American people about their government's excesses and abuses."'
Yeah, those seditious informers are much worse.
https://twitter.com/realism_fan/status/1668049641076842496?t=o9wH7-EpWopkCAG3u25aQQ&s=19
Pro-Russians response to news they don’t like is usually to take a “wait and see” approach, or to claim that the news is being spun in a dishonest way.
Eventually, if true, their own side will report it.
Pro-Ukrainians believe all news they don’t like is made up, that the people reporting it are paid by the Kremlin regardless of how absurd such a claim is, and their people never eventually report the bad news, ever.
It’s very much like leftist politics. Facts that are inconvenient or problematic must never be said, because saying them is giving aid and comfort to the far right. The same is true of any news that is bad for Ukraine or good for Russia.
it's like QAnon but for Ukraine war
Except mass media is part of it.
More like devout branch covidians
Your perspective is very much the opposite of reality.
"Cops and aliens."
Is that the one with James Bond?
“Cowboys and Aliens” was a disappointment.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1668248969812606982?t=FhxIR3hwwL-6YcTCQDbe_g&s=19
White supremacy is about to get a good ESG score thanks to its diversity
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So now we have people outsourcing their white supremacy to others? Man, the economy really is in shambles.
Nothing more White Supremacist than Black people opposing the Democrats.
When your racism is inclusive and diverse.
This is the best breakdown of the Trump indictment I've heard.
Lawyer goes nuclear on it. As he explains, the President has authority to declassify any document under Article II. People who complained or said "what about" with Clinton or Obama are missing the point. If the President DIDN'T have authority to declassify any document he (or xe) wished, then our government could rule by Secret Declared by the Deep State. The constitution demands that an elected official has a right to reveal to the American public any secret at his sole discretion. Otherwise, the Government could simply classify whatever it wanted by unelected bureaucrat. Listen to the argument, it's important.
The asshole SRG was claiming Trump didn't declassify those documents, since he didn't say so! Are there three magic words a POTUS must state with a finger in the air?
No; clearly by logic, the action of treating the documents as declassified declassifies them.
No, it’s more like saying “Bloody Mary “ or “Betelgeuse “ three times in the mirror sort of thing.
Or "Biggie Smalls"?
Pretty sure team blue is all in on rule by bureaucracy right now, because most bureaucrats are team blue. So this arguement won't hold a lot of water for them.
Why is there even an argument of who did what regarding classified info ?
My point being, isn’t there a written set of instruction in say … a large book of policy and/or procedures that explain in detail what the instructions are for declassifying something ? That way people wouldn’t have to guess and/or speculate what is or is not declassified ? How is this even an argument, either procedure was followed and everything is kosher or it wasn’t and everyone involved is guilty. How are we still at the 6 y/o argument stage of “nuh uh” vs. “yeah, too” ?
And who wrote this policy?
Santa Claus?
The Easter Bunny?
Batman?
Son Goku?
That would be all 118 cumulative Congresses that have ever been , since that is their job.
It's classified.
"My point being, isn’t there a written set of instruction in say … a large book of policy and/or procedures that explain in detail what the instructions are for declassifying something?..."
There isn't, and therein lies a lot of the problems. There's precedents but no protocol or policy they have to follow.
That's why both Trump and Obama could say that by taking their respective documents while still President they were effectively declassified.
Note that Hillary, Pence and Biden were not President when they took the classified documents they had.
Also, an 11-year-old court ruling, issued by a federal judge, ruled that the National Archives and Records Administration had no power to take official records from a president because simply by taking them they declare the records as part of their personal records.
This is the ruling Obama's lawyers quoted regarding the classified material he was keeping in a Chicago warehouse.
Here's an article from 2012 on it: https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/03/judge-wont-seize-bill-clinton-taylor-branch-audiotapes-116074
Thanks for that, it was an informative read. I agree with Judicial Watch , though ... the idea that the Presidential Records Act doesn't do what it very clearly says it does is nonsense. Now I could see the legalese that having the discretion to, but not acting on, is what they did; but saying PRA doesn't give them the auth in the first place is bs.
"I agree with Judicial Watch, though"
Maybe that was the intent of the PRA writers, but the ruling and the federal court's interpretation legally stands and hasn't been overruled. Obama also used this ruling to justify the Chicago warehouse records.
This is what makes Garland's actions through Smith so egregious.
Because lying, dishonest cunts like you refuse to accept any explanation that does not give beauracrats ultimate control no matter how many times it is explained.
No.
The president declassifies a document by the simple act of taking it out or showing it to somebody.
It is de jure declassified thus.
No.
If there are "rules", it means the President is not in charge of declassification, which leads to the problem, again, of the establishment controlling it instead.
Your point is a fiction. The president is not bound by any specific procedure.
But recall that a senior Republican is, according to a transcript, on tape saying that Trump did not declassify the documents before he left the WH, so any authority he might have had is irrelevant to the actual case.
"But recall that a senior Republican is, according to a transcript, on tape saying that Trump did not declassify the documents before he left the WH,..."
"A senior Republican"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck off and die, cherry-picker.
By taking the documents home, they were declassified. Listen to the argument.
The senior Republican was Trump himself. He concedes that he had not declassified the docs.
What makes your youtuber an authority on this? I am not going to spend 50 mins watching a youtube clip. Care to summarise?
It doesn't matter what Trump thought about declassification. The constitution gives him the authority whether he understood that or not.
The Constitution is silent on the subject. But I agree that Trump did have the authority while he was president. However Trump himself said that he did not declassify the docs, nor is there any evidence that he did. And once he left the WH, he could not declassify. Even you will agree, surely, that once Trump was no longer president, he no longer had the "constitutional" authority to declassify docs (though no doubt there are drooling cretins who will argue that as the election was supposedly stolen, Trump was still technically president).
It's a specious argument. A process needs to be followed, merely taking them home does not meet the bare minimum of a legal process. It's on the level of "because I said so". Again, childish.
You think there should be a process and pointing out that there isn't is somehow childish? Watch the video idiot.
I watch enough idiots in my day job; I don't need to watch a video idiot on my own time...
Since you've said you've studied law you may be interested in this decade old ruling regarding Clinton possessing classified information without issuing a memo declassifying it:
https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2010cv1834-13
It says according to the Presidential Records Act, a president can remove official recordings and documents out of the White House without notice regardless of classification level.
I said I studied law because I did study law - though relatively ineffectively, I will cheerfully concede.
It says according to the Presidential Records Act, a president can remove official recordings and documents out of the White House without notice regardless of classification level.
That isn't the issue. The issue is whether he can retain these documents after he ceases to be president.
FWIW the ruling references the White House but once, in an irrelevant context, so I wonder on what basis you claim that this ruling permits the president to remove records from the WH.
“That isn’t the issue. The issue is whether he can retain these documents after he ceases to be president.”
The ruling I cited was based on Bill Clinton retaining records twelve years after leaving the presidency. So obviously they can.
(I mean seriously, why would there be a ruling about a president accessing confidential documents AS president. Think about it)
Now this ruling is controversial and problematic and does leave things open to abuse. However, as I said earlier today, the ruling and the federal court’s interpretation legally stands and hasn’t been overruled.
“so I wonder on what basis you claim that this ruling permits the president to remove records from the WH.”
Obama also used this ruling to justify the Chicago warehouse records.
I guarantee you that Garland knows all this, but decided to go ahead anyway.
Garland has an ax to grind with Republicans, seeing as how they denied him his rightful place on the SC.
You should have read the actual decision, not Politico's nor Judicial Watch's comments on it.
The argument was about what was to be done when a president determined that records were personal rather than Presidential, and key to the actual decision was what the remedy was. As on the facts of the case NARA could not remedy JW's complaint, the case was dismissed.
Nowhere in the entire decision is there anything that says that a president can keep classified documents after he's left office. It might have been a heavier lift for a prosecutor if Trump had previously categorised the records as personal, but we can be sure he didn't.
You only read the last page, didn't you? I read the actual decision.
1. Contrary to your claim, those records weren't just personal. In fact most of them were actual presidential business and even national security discussions. They were retained by Clinton because of the personal discussions, but the personal portions were only a small fraction of the recordings.
2. The ruling encapsulates the retention of records as a whole.
3. From the ruling: "1. The Court Cannot Compel the Archivist To Reclassify or Retrieve the Audiotapes Because the PRA Does Not Mandate It. Plaintiff’s entire APA claim is predicated on the notion that the Archivist of the United States has a statutory duty to make his own classification decision and “to assume custody and control” of all Presidential records. There are a number of flaws with this argument. To begin with, the plain language of section 2203(f) of the PRA does not say what plaintiff claims it does – that the Archivist must assume custody and control of all materials that fall within the definition of Presidential records...
Presidential records are defined as those “documentary materials . . . which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the . . . official or ceremonial duties of the President,” 44 U.S.C. § 2201(2), and the statute defines personal records as those materials which do not, id. § 2201(3). Plaintiff’s suggestion that a verbatim recording of the President carrying out his duties “relates to” his carrying out of those duties has some force. But that is not the end of the inquiry. Section 2201(3)(A) goes on to specify that diaries or their functional equivalent, “which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business” are personal. Id. § 2201(3)(A). So the classification depends not upon what the tapes contain, but what the President prepared them for and what he did with them.
Plaintiff has alleged no facts that would suggest that the tapes were circulated to anyone beyond the former President and the historian, or that they were used (as opposed to generated) in the course of transacting official business. More important, as plaintiff acknowledged at the hearing, we lack any information about what President Clinton had in mind:
THE COURT: How can I make that decision without the information that would really only be in the [P]resident’s head, what they were created and utilized for?
[PLAINTIFF’S COUNSEL]: Well, that’s the problem.
this responsibility is left solely to the President. 44 U.S.C. § 2203(a)–(b). While the plaintiff casts this lawsuit as a challenge to a decision made by the National Archives, the PRA makes it clear that this is not a decision the Archivist can make, and in this particular case, it is not a decision the Archivist did make because President Clinton’s term ended in 2000, and the tapes were not provided to the Archives at that time. To the extent that there was a subsequent classification decision the Archivist purported to make, see supra note 2, or to be more accurate, a decision to decline to revisit the President’s classification decision, any injury plaintiff claims it suffered as a result would not be redressable because there is nothing under the statute that the Court can compel the Archivist to do.
4. Outside this immediate topic but regarding the seizure. From the ruling: "Because the audiotapes are not physically in the government’s possession, defendant submits that it would be required to seize them directly from President Clinton in order to assume custody and control over them. Def.’s Mem. in Support of Mot. to dismiss at 1, 15–18. Defendant considers this to be an “extraordinary request” that is “unfounded, contrary to the PRA’s express terms, and contrary to traditional principles of administrative law.”
The Court agrees."
You only read the last page, didn’t you? I read the actual decision.
I read the entire decision. The decision of the court did not rest on the personal or Presidential nature of the recordings.
It's clear that you're not actually capable of understanding the opinion, regardless of your having read it through. In fact, your entire argument, from the moment you posted about the case, reads as though you had come across it in some right-wing website, and you unthinkingly picked up on it and posted about it as though the case had the probative value the article you read had assigned to it.
Not one word in that angry little rant actually argued against anything I said.
You cried "Right-wing!!!" even though the link I gave you was from Politico... in 2012. And although I posted complete, unedited excerpts from the court ruling as my argument, you also insisted that somehow it reads like "some right-wing website".
You really are a joke, British Shrike, Jeff, DOL or whoever you are behind the sock.
"'I wonder on what basis you claim that this ruling permits the president to remove records from the WH.""
It does not have to explicitly say that. Where else do you think the president would receive the documents? A pizza shop?
Had to watch that in several segments because I'm working today but I encourage everyone here to watch the whole thing. The constitutional aspects of this have been, for some reason, sitting in the background while guys like Sullum become fascinated by shiny objects like plucking gestures and the sound of folding paper. I have never heard anyone articulate the case like this guy. Hope he ends up on Trump's team. Also very glad to hear that the SP might have ended up in the wrong courtroom because he's a fuckup. Thanks for the link.
If he's that smart, he'd want to get paid in advance...
Of course, it's a video.
—to reassure Fridman that social media companies rather than the government were ultimately in the driver’s seat when it comes to moderating content.
That’s a relief. I’m glad it wasn’t Zuckerberg’s College buddy, The Federal Government, shouting directions from the back seat.
More importantly, why would Zuckerberg know what and how Twitter was making decisions-- or more specifically, how decisions were made AT Twitter? He makes it sound like there was a very collusive atmosphere in Silicon Valley...
More like in the driver’s seat with a gun to their head.
Yeah, government "suggestions" are like that.
"Tennis star Novak Djokovic, who was denied entry to the U.S. because of his unvaccinated status, won the French Open."
Didn't swear allegiance to "The Science"!
How is he not dead from Covid?
Probably necromancy. Dark forces are at work.
But the dynamics of the conservative movement are such that defending Trump at all costs is simply what the base demands.
Ain't that the fucking truth.
Now do Biden.
Not to mention the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton).
railroad jobs are railroad jobs regardless of the target.
False charges without evidence. Yeah. Sure, buddy. Defend your boy at all costs.
I write in plain English.
This is why people give you shit. It’s not “defending Trump at all costs”, it’s recognizing the establishment has been after him since mid 2016 and citing where the reasoning comes from of why they’re wrong, again.
That you continue to conflate recognizing this as support is a you problem.
I agree that they’ve been after him. However it looks like he legitimately fucked up this time. That's why it looks like "defending at all costs."
That’s fine that you think so, but it’s seemed like he legitimately fucked up plenty of times before.
I just don’t think giving him the benefit of the doubt rises to “all costs”. YMMV
also assumes all railroad jobs lack evidence. but I parse ...
https://twitter.com/lone_rides/status/1668261301905137665?t=TMaIrjGwK5nhgQb1Q_rDjw&s=19
Democrat pol vets saying they served and bled for the LGBTQ flag and not the American flag is quite remarkably honest.
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Sounds so totally believable. Not possibly propaganda.
Does the president of LGBTQville know about these brave heroes fighting for his nation?
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Pretty sure the US Federal regime is aware
https://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1668021994200395778?t=Y47lxgWLhqBelrPcrdWqjA&s=19
Dark Triad personality traits correlate with victim-signaling (e.g., "Expressed how people like me are underrepresented in the media and leadership.").
Psychopathy (r = .58), Machiavellianism (r = .43) and narcissism (r = .30)
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A major highway collapsed in Philadelphia due to a tanker fire underneath it.
Pete Buttigieg is busy picking out the right construction vest for the occasion.
I-95 was the most racist of all.
Interstate travel has a history of white supremacy.
this morning there was a boygirl on Accuweather crying about how it is afraid it can't chase storms in the Midwest because of the mean peeps it might come across
Here's a tip: stop dressing like a clown. Put on jeans and a t-shirt and a baseball cap and no one will give you a second glance.
That's their biggest fear.
Given the choice of where the freeways were built and whose neighbourhoods were seized under eminent domain, you're not entirely wrong, though this was hardly your intention.
Then obviously they were racist against poor whites as well. News flash: the roads were built were the land was cheap and people were more willing to sell.
In some cases, they just blasted through the landscape to build the road, too. You go out west, and you see multiple areas where the interstate was cut straight through a bluff or hill (leading to a comical view of two separate formations bisected by a road) when it would have been just as easy to build around the damn thing.
You’re assuming that the government was making a good offer for the land seized. This is not evidently a reasonable assumption.
Meanwhile, if you look around, you'll find plenty of evidence for my general proposition. Here's just one link, from that hotbed of Marxism, the American Society of Civil Engineers.
https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/07/how-the-interstate-highway-system-connected--and-in-some-cases-segregated--america
You do realize that there's a lot more land in the US outside of New York City, right? The vast majority of interstate miles don't even touch an urban area.
Urban renewal schemes did far more to rip those neighborhoods up than the interstates ever did in their entire construction history. Indeed, for a lot of small towns in the US, their development was an economic disaster not because it tore neighborhoods to rubble, but because they pulled traffic away from the main streets and left businesses with no customers. This wasn't just on Route 66, this was nationwide, and you see it every time you drive across the country on the old US highways.
I am sure that is a conclusion the grievance studies people would also reach. They see white supremacy under every bed and behind every corner.
Well it's black now.
Lemme guess--rainbow?
Just a standard construction vest. But if he wore the same one he did in East Palestine, that would be like soooooo embarrassing.
Pete Buttigieg is busy picking out the right construction vest for the occasion.
and matching shoes?
"But Trump's own attorney general, Bill Barr, thinks the indictment is "very, very damning.""
Wait ... one politician throwing another politician under the bus is now a hot news item? Whether Trump still has a political career at this point or not, Barr certainly has hopes of being appointed to some lucrative public feather bed over the next decade or two, so this statement should surprise no one.
"Water is wet!"
Funny they're so "damming" when Reason already reported Biden had more than twice as many thrown around his garage.
As the "witch-hunt" continues on........ ENDLESSLY......
The Nazi-Empire is on a mission to LOCK-UP anyone who believes in De-Regulating their Nazi-Empire at any angle they can muster up.
There have been doubts raised about whether or not FJB was culpable for mishandling documents.
Here is a brilliant idea.
Why not have a nice snap impeachment and find out?
Would McCarthy have the votes?
"Keep everything shut down... except for stuff that directly impacts our bottom line!"
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to learn that a CNN network exec is a fucking hypocrite.
Not a CNN exec?!
the case against the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) was very damning.
It did not stop James Comey from saying no reasonable prosecutor would bring the case.
https://twitter.com/upstatefederlst/status/1667744459411300353?t=V1FWyT2O1H5e4k0-IStiKQ&s=19
Conquered nations have their statues removed and their flags replaced.
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Usually, they have their statues pulled down by the people, or an invading army.
A city government removing its own statue from in front of City Hall--by a mayor who had been re-elected with 70% of the vote at the last election--isn't really the same thing...
So what was The Donald going to do, blackmail the country?
>>Barr conceded that Democrats had unfairly target Trump in the past, but he said it's different this time.
different butter for Bill's toast this time.
For all I know, Trump could be guilty – I’m not attaching myself to his kite.
I would note, though, as food for thought, that the prosecutor previously lost a case, unanimously, in the Supreme Court because the prosecution theory of the case made noncriminal activities into crimes. There was no retrial. Oops!
Also, this same prosecutor worked for the International Criminal Court, the same organization which the U. S. is pledged to fight if it causes American soldiers to be arrested. Maybe we should reconsider permitting Americans to serve on such a body.
In any case, if this is the beginning of a brave new era when politicians stop being above the law, when criminals (like Clapper, for example) get prosecuted, and corruption law get tightened by Congress to specifically prevent Presidential relative and buddies from using their connections to get foreign money.
And that will happen…any time now, I guess…
Why should US war criminals be exempt from prosecution internationally?
You’re skipping a step – these are suspects and accused, not necessarily war criminals.
Do you trust an American soldier to get a fair trial at a distant tribunal, without a jury, and no assurance of impartial judges (who substitute for jurors), who may share fashionable anti-American prejudice?
Don’t brand an American soldier a war criminal unless an American jury – civil or military – has found him to be such.
However, I do appreciate you making the case for American withdrawal from countries which claim the right to put them in prison.
If an American soldier commits a crime in a foreign country, should the US withdraw from that country in protest?
I'm afraid you are creatively rephrasing the issue.
Americans shouldn't work for an an international organization which claims the power to lock up American soldiers.
That's a completely separate issue. "War crimes" is a strange concept in many ways and open to a lot of manipulation.
I'm not missing a step. Someone may be factually a war criminal before they're legally a war criminal.
Do you trust an American soldier to get a fair trial at a distant tribunal, without a jury, and no assurance of impartial judges (who substitute for jurors), who may share fashionable anti-American prejudice?
Not particularly. But the US itself does not have a stellar record of prosecuting and punishing war criminals - and seems to be all too willing to let criminals off the hook post=conviction, whether Calley or the Blackwater mercenaries, and the threat of an external prosecution may encourage a more just process in the US.
Don’t brand an American soldier a war criminal unless an American jury – civil or military – has found him to be such.
"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal concept to be applied at trial. It is not a binding presumption outside of that, in regular discourse.
When the US fails to prosecute soldiers or their commanders of crimes that we may be confident were committed, we have no need to retreat behind the principle.
"“Innocent until proven guilty” is a legal concept to be applied at trial. It is not a binding presumption outside of that, in regular discourse."
Regular discourse? Like the court of public opinion?
So as far as whether you think the ICC can give a fair trial to an American soldier, you reply "Not particularly." Which aligns with my own view.
Yet you seem to allow for ICC authority anyway.
Because I don't regard the US system as any better than the ICC and is in many respects worse. The ICC is unlikely to pardon US war criminals, for example, nor be affected by public pressure not to indict in many cases.
Aren't US expats punished enough without you trying to limit their job prospects for no good reason?
>>Tennis star Novak Djokovic, who was denied entry to the U.S. because of his unvaccinated status, won the French Open.
fake news? ATP led me to believe Novak would be dead long before the '22 Australian
Should Trump get special snowflake treatment (no handcuffs, for example) tomorrow, or should he be treated the same as every other person charged with crimes against his country?
You're an hour late and a hundred dollars short there, Artie. Your betters have all been here before you.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
How about treating him the same as Clinton and Obama, who both possessed documents they hadn't "officially" declassified after they left office?
Let him off, "too", rather than "lock him up"... Pathetic.
Latest reporting on the Wuhan lab leak:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0
What this story adds to previous reporting is interviews with anonymous sources who investigated Chinese military activity at the lab:
“Investigators who scrutinised top-secret intercepted communications and scientific research believe Chinese scientists were running a covert project of dangerous experiments, which caused a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and started the Covid-19 outbreak.”
A rehearsal for *The Stand*?
A decent novel and movie, even if King borrowed Gollum from Tolkien's work.
At least he stole the most interesting character.
Normies from 2020 just now realizing this stuff?
It's okay to blame the Chinese now, it wasn't back then. Another five years till Mike notes Fauci's role in it though.
One interesting bit near the end of the article: it is rumored the Chinese military's vaccine specialist, Zhou Yusen, at the center of the alleged secret military research at the lab, died when he "fell from the roof of the Wuhan institute."
Suicide, died trying to escape, hunger strike, who's going to notice or care?
Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has died
Has gone to the great bunga bunga in the sky
If he wore a mask and got poked, he'd still be here, right chicken little?
The weaponized deep state going after trump on a technicality is a wonder to behold.
They have crossed the rubicon with this and if the pendulum swings on them slightly the wailing and whining will be 10x as loud.
Believe!
And Trump's own FBI Director is targeting Catholics and Libertarians. Does that make him right? For a publication that has historically railed against the Espionage Act and the piling on of charges, Reason sure has been fast to toss those principles aside when the target is somebody they don't like. Also, as AG, Barr was a big fan of drug war policies and an opponent of criminal justice reform, opinions that Reason took serious issue with. Funny how all of a sudden his legal opinion seems to be gospel to you, now that it's helping you attack Trump. I don't even like Trump, but I'm sick of seeing people throw out their integrity just to get at him. It's pathetic.
All Soave did was quote Barr.
But using the word "integrity" in a lament about Trump's "persecution" surely deserves a dishonorable mention?
I'm no Trump fan and think he's a danger to the country. But to overcome the obvious appearance of partisan prosecution, the case has to be so strong that any prosecutor would've brought it. Like, shooting-someone-on-5th-Ave strong. Or, the matter must be so important -- like Trump's pressuring of Georgia election officials to "find" votes -- that the case should be brought, appearances be damned. Hoarding documents for vanity doesn't fit the latter scenario. Does it fit the former?
Had he given these docs to an adversary, then send him to Leavenworth. But it appears to be another in a series of dick measuring contests between Trump and anyone who asks him to do something he doesn't like.
I agree he shouldn’t be prosecuted on this matter. Still, it is in the realm of possibility, though, Trump did share the sensitive documents and that will come out in more detail.
He shouldn't have been prosecuted if all he did was abscond with some documents he shouldn't have. But half of the indictment is about what he did in the years afterwards. It is very hard to ignore that kind of utter contempt for the rule of law.
I thought Reason would have learned something from Russiagate, but no -- here we are back in 2018 with "the walls closing in."
The day they axe the comment section is the day I never come back.
Huh? Soave gave a roundup of various public figures’ opinions and didn’t state an opinion of his own. Quoting people isn’t endorsement of what is quoted.
Just like they were only giving a roundup of various opinions about Russiagate FOR FOUR FUCKING YEARS, right lyin' Mike?
Like I’ve said before, I was swamped with work during Russiagate and had no time to spend here. I’m not qualified to comment on Reason’s coverage.
Wow, you're really got Reason over the barrel with that threat!
I think almost none of the commenters would return if they closed comments. Reason's content has been garbage for a long time.
There are several news outlets that I've stopped visiting because they closed comments. Even when I like the content of the articles it is still valuable to see opinions and information shared that furthers the discussion.
According to Wikipedia the USA is now a totalitarian state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police
Secret police (or political police)[3] are police, intelligence, or security agencies that engage in covert operations against a government's political, religious, or social opponents and dissidents. Secret police organizations are characteristic of authoritarian and totalitarian regimes.[4] They protect the political power of a dictator or regime and often operate outside the law to repress dissidents and weaken political opposition, frequently using violence
If he broke felonious laws...then go get him. I applaud the action if this is to be the new norm. However they will have to prove this is the new norm then by going back and charging Hillary for destroying the email evidence. Then they can go after Hunter Biden for lying on the ATF form when he bought a gun (this fact is Indisputable) and should result in him being unable to ever own a gun again as well as fines and possible jail time. Then they need to investigate Joe Biden and the various theories that have been floating around for years. Then they need to go after any other Republican or Democrat that breaks laws that the rest of us would be arrested for.
It would be hard to re-visit the Trump-era decision not to prosecute Hillary for the private email server, but "they" certainly are doing the other things you mention.
Glad to have you onboard (whoever you are)!
People seem to for Barr was also the Democrats choice for Atty. General under Trump and fully supported by them. What did they know about Barr we are only finding out? Barr was a never Trump-er member of the swamp.
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People seem to for Barr was also the Democrats choice for Atty. General under Trump and fully supported by them. What did they know about Barr we are only finding out? Barr was a never Trump-er member of the swamp.
Quit harassing Trump, let him run, and let the American people decide if Trump should be President again or not. These targeted prosecutions, over charging crimes, creating new laws to get Trump (NYC Rape lawsuit), and ignoring the same cases of others all bear credence to Trumps claims.
Meanwhile the American people have to suffer with a senile brain damaged corrupt old skiver who never accomplished anything in his sordid career. A lying, corrupt old pants shitter whose son is a drug addicted child molester and whore monger, dealing in international bribery schemes for "the big guy" who receives more than $5 million in bribes from Ukraine. Now get the picture? $5 million in bribes from Ukraine and $200 billion in aid and war material back to them. How much of that money was then sent back to SBF and his phony ponzi scheme and then to the corrupt and disgraced democrat party?
As for Bill Barr, he needs to face plant the sidewalk from twenty or thirty stories.
Thanks to dementia Joe and the communist run democrat party, America is now a banana republic. Where political enemies are rounded up and persecuted.
Just beware all you dems, the pendulum swings both ways.
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Moron - I said "the overall environment", not just "predatory animals". I'm talking about 100% humidity, harmfully high CO2 levels, very high temperatures.
Still, it does show that you have no genuine argument - if you had, you'd have provided it, not the crass and puerile garbage you actually posted.