Adam Smith's Quiet Christianity
The Scottish thinker's famous friendship with David Hume demonstrates his liberalism, not his atheism.

Among Adam Smith's scant surviving papers, one can't find a flat statement such as "I attend every Sunday Old St. Paul's Scottish Episcopal Church on Jeffrey Street." The phrase "the invisible hand" had some theological resonance at the time. Yet it is grossly overquoted by people who have not actually read Smith and instead want a bumper sticker. Smith used it only three times in all his surviving writings, once in each of his two published books and once in an unpublished treatise on astronomy. In each, it is used in diverging senses.
But the Australian economist and Christian theologian Paul Oslington, who has read Smith, argues persuasively that numerous words and phrases in Smith's writings, such as "natural," and such rotundities as "the Author of nature" or "the invisible hand," stand for "the Christian doctrine of divine providential care for humanity." Adam Smith, in short, was a Christian.
Smith was continuing in secular matters the project of "natural theology," a theology dear to, say, Isaac Newton. In a phrase that goes back to Thomas Aquinas, God's "other book" was physical nature. But, said Smith, it was social nature too. The word nature and its compounds are extraordinarily frequent in Smith. The term appears 670 times in Wealth of Nations and 520 in The Theory of Moral Sentiments. Seldom does it refer, as after Darwin we would suppose, merely to the natural physical world. Overwhelmingly it is used in Wealth of Nations in an economic-psychological sense and in The Theory of Moral Sentiments in a social-theological sense.
Smith writes in The Theory of Moral Sentiments, for instance: "The happiness of mankind, as well as of all other rational creatures, seems to have been the original purpose intended by the Author of nature, when he brought them into existence. No other end seems worthy of that supreme wisdom and divine benignity which we necessarily ascribe to him." He continues, "By acting according to the dictates of our moral faculties, we necessarily pursue the most effectual means for promoting the happiness of mankind, and may therefore be said…to co-operate with the Deity, and to advance…the plan of Providence." This is Christian talk.
Smith's Christianity was not evangelical, and did not in the jargon of the time display an "enthusiastic" personal relationship with Our Lord and Savior. In neither book does he mention "Christ" or "Jesus." His faith was institutional, the polite version of Anglicanism usual in the Neoclassical Era, and nowadays called "mainstream Protestant," such as Lutheran or Episcopalian. You see a similar polite restraint a little later in Jane Austen. The economic historian Robert Higgs once observed to me that you can't spit in an Austen novel without hitting an Anglican priest. Austen herself was the daughter of one, the sister of another, and an object of romantic attention by several more. Yet God happens only in the village church, and both God and the church are deep in the background.
Smith wrote famously, in a letter describing the death in 1776 of his dear and notoriously atheistic friend David Hume, that Hume was "dying fast, but with more real cheerfulness and good humor and with more real resignation to the necessary course of things, than any whining Christian ever dyed with pretended resignation to the will of God." Hume postponed publishing until after his death the amiable but skeptical Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion. It was issued anonymously in 1779 and promptly put on the papal Index Librorum Prohibitorum. There it sat, as A.N. Wilson said in 1999 in God's Funeral, until in the 19th century earnest young Christian men found it and lost their faith.
Even in Enlightenment Scotland, Hume could not get the academic appointment that a fountainhead of modern philosophy deserved because he openly disavowed belief in even a Smithian "Author of nature." There were enough dogmatists even after John Knox brought the Reformation to Scotland to discourage the country's four excellent universities from appointing a suspected atheist, though no law required that he be barred. South of the border, the sleepy duo of Oxford and Cambridge, much inferior to Scotland's universities at the time, required by the English Test Act of 1673 all students and faculty to subscribe to each one of the Church of England's Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion. It is why nonconformists such as Quakers and Baptists and Congregationalists, not to speak of Jews, were forbidden to attend until 1871. Smith spent six years studying at Oxford—of which, by the way, he had a justified low opinion intellectually, as did Edward Gibbon and any other serious student in those days.
Smith afterward without controversy held academic appointments at the University of Glasgow and the University of Edinburgh, and from 1764 to 1766 he was personal tutor to the young and rich Duke of Buccleuch on his grand tour of the continent. In France on that tour, Smith met and was influenced by such barely Christian intellectuals as Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, and especially the pioneering physiocratic economists, such as Anne Robert Jacques Turgot. Yet the boards of appointment to scholarships and professorships at the universities, and the Duke and his family, would not have thought of engaging anyone for such offices unless he was an orthodox Anglican or Presbyterian. Nonbelievers need not apply.
The philosopher Dennis* Rasmussen and the economist Gavin Kennedy have argued against all this that Smith was merely being cautious and conventional in his "Christianity" to avoid making enemies bad for his career and for his ideas. Hume said on his own deathbed with characteristic good humor, "I have written on all sorts of subjects…yet I have no enemies, except indeed all the Whigs, all the Tories, and all the Christians." But the picture of a careerist Smith does not persuade, appealing though it may be to nonbelievers who admire Smith's science. Everyone wants her heroes to duplicate her own fancied consistencies.
Smith was no intellectual coward. He denounced mercantilism, and mercantilism was the easy and popular position. Still is. If you want to be a U.S. senator from Ohio, or even a president of the United States, you must be against imports and for exports. Trade deals, for example, are always expressed in mercantilist form: Give us access to your markets and we'll give you access to ours, because what we want is a positive balance of payments. Smith could have gone along to get along. But he didn't. Still less plausible is it to suppose that he would have lied when agreeing to the Thirty-Nine Articles, and would have achieved his academic chairs without scrutiny, and would have schemed to lead the young Duke into atheistic temptation.
Yes, Hume the atheist was Smith's "most excellent, and never to be forgotten friend." You have, I suppose, many dear friends with whom you disagree on perhaps the divinity of Jesus or the incidence of the corporate income tax. That Hume and Smith were bosom buds from first acquaintance in 1749 to Hume's death indicates deep love between two famously loveable men, not entire agreement.
So what? Here's what. Smith was of course a liberal, a courageous advocate for the then-shocking and unpopular notion that we should adopt "the obvious and simple system of natural liberty," "the liberal plan of equality, liberty, and justice." Note the first term in the liberal triad. Smith was a radical egalitarian. But his equality was not that of his frenemy Rousseau, at the headwaters of European socialism, a coerced equality of outcome. Nor was it that of the ancient Spartans so admired by 18th century conservatives and modern New Liberals, a coerced equality of opportunity. Equality among the Spartiate was achieved by ripping boys from their mothers at age 7 and training them together as warriors. Equality of opportunity is impossible without such utter enslavements to the state.
Equality of permission, by contrast, could be achieved in full this afternoon, with no coercion. Women can be permitted to become airline pilots, the state's occupational licensure can be disavowed, tariffs against imports abandoned. It's the full Smithian program. It's also the program of liberal Christianity. Liberty of the will, propounded for example by Erasmus in 1524 against Martin Luther, gives equal dignity to souls, chosen or not. In the 18th century, such liberalism began to be extended to all aspects of persons. The first achievement of liberalism was abolition of slavery. That is still its core. No human masters. We are slaves only in Christ Jesus.
Smith was a serious thinker. He did not think there was a serious contradiction between Christianity and liberalism. In the past century many progressive Christians, such as the otherwise persuasive theologian David Bentley Hart, have thought there was. They are gravely mistaken. As usual, the Blessed Adam Smith shows the way.
*CORRECTION: The original version of this article used an incorrect first name for Dennis Rasmussen.
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On that them thar atheism thang... Maybe one of ye atheists can help me out here...
About that them thar God v/s atheism v/s agnosticism thang…
I used to wonder a lot, but I had my agnostic friends convince me that God, if He does exist, does NOT want us to worship Him, because He does not believe in Himself (He needs self-esteem counseling, I was told. Else He’d make Himself FAR more visible). If God doesn't believe in Himself, then we obviously shouldn't, either. I was left to wonder, well then, WHO in the Hell is qualified to give self-esteem counseling to God Himself?!?! Never got an answer…
Then my devout atheist friends convinced me, that to get to Atheist Heaven, one had to NOT believe in God, and do that non-believing thing in JUST the EXACT right way… As for example, they'd say, "See, Madeline Murray O'Hair, SHE is the ONLY one who REALLY quite properly, understood EXACTLY how God does NOT believe in Himself, and only SHE in Her Divine (Anti-Divine?) Perfect Understanding, was fit to be "Ruptured" through the space-time vortex portal (rupture), straight to the Atheist Heaven that She deserved, and all the rest of us… Even the less-than-perfect atheists… Are "Left Behind" after the "Great Rupture" (rupture in the space-time continuum or some such thing, I guess). And since Madeline Murray's body was never found, I had to accept their argument. She was the PERFECT atheist, and only SHE, in Her Perfect Disbelief, had been Ruptured… Her and Her alone…
…BUT THEN THEY FOUND HER DEAD BODY!!! The arguments of my atheist friends were utterly crushed! I had just BARELY started to think that maybe they were correct! Now, I just dunno WHAT in blue blazes to think any more!!! What do y'all say, especially you atheists? PWEASE advise me, ah ams ignernt…
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You would think Reason could hire some AI squirrels to kill all the spam.
Forget Ms. O'Hair.
Much better:
Sam Harris
Chris Hitchens
George Carlin
Ayn Rand
Ricky Gervais
Thanks, I do read Sam Harris, his books a great!
yeah – he’s great! I especially trust his political acumen.
Short version:
— Sam Harris defends Twitter’s right to publish and edit as they please.
— Two internet gadflies horrified.
Going off on a tangent, these guys claim Twitter is not planning on paying their Google Cloud bill:
https://open.substack.com/pub/platformer/p/twitter-stiffs-google?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
“While Twitter hosts some services on its own servers, the company has long contracted with Google and Amazon to complement its infrastructure. Prior to Musk buying Twitter last year, the company signed a multi-year contract with Google to host services related to fighting spam, removing child sexual abuse material, and protecting accounts, among other things.”
Lol, you're still so mad at Musk for stealing your echo chamber.
It's a private company, er, public utility, er, branch of government, er, seditious MAGA snake den...
“Hunter Biden literally could have had the corpses of children in his basement, I would not have cared,” he said. “There’s nothing, it’s Hunter Biden, it’s not Joe Biden. Whatever the scope of Joe Biden’s corruption is…it is infinitesimal compared to the corruption we know Trump is involved in. It’s like a firefly to the sun.”
Glad he doesn’t care about child corpses aren’t you shrike.
He also has a defend democrats at all cost mentality.
All we have obtained from Hunter Biden's "laptop" (which no one has seen) are some lousy dick pics.
Yes, the alleged laptop had "all the earmarks of Russian disinformation".
Look, crazy cracker whore Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to proceed with impeachment. Go for it.
They have no evidence though. It will be far more productive for the GOP to just cry BENGHAZI until the election. Benghazi was also a vague allegation with no substance but useful as a political ploy.
But MTG doesn't understand how rat-fucking works.
I already mentioned your defend all costs mentality. For Joe's corruption we have: trusted CI, a former business partner of Hunter naming Joe, pictures, emails, bank accounts, etc.
But keep lying shrike.
Is it lying if he believes it?
trusted CI, a former business partner of Hunter naming Joe, pictures, emails, bank accounts,
Odd how the intelligence community is all on partisan witch-hunts EXCEPT your one unnamed guy who supports your partisan witch hunt despite any evidence.
A CI isn't a member of the IC retard. If it was just him and not all the other corroborated evidence you'd have a point.
"Hunter Biden’s “laptop” (which no one has seen)"
Thousands have seen it. Its entire contents were entered into the congressional record. The complete emails were released online, as are most of the pictures.
If you're going to try and lie at least make it plausible.
"Yes, the alleged laptop had “all the earmarks of Russian disinformation”."
Since it turned out in the end that every single bit of “Russian disinformation” was created by the Democratic Party, how the hell would you know?
Thousands have seen it.
But journalists were not allowed to examine it.
The NY Post has no integrity. So why believe any of this bullshit?
They’ve been allowed for ages now. And it was the Times, WaPo and the networks who refused to look at it, even though the Trump campaign was begging them to, so don’t try to peddle that bullshit here.
Also, the NYPost, as the nation’s oldest newspaper, has a fuck of a lot more credibility than the Media Matters links that you’ve been peddling.
Addendum: I know you don't like reading links, including your own, but browsing the two I just gave you would've saved you from looking like a fucking idiot with this response.
It is public retard. In the congressional record. Even the NYT admits it his laptop retard.
Shrike couldn’t identify Russian disinformation if it walked up and handed him a dosier that claimed Trump liked to get peed on.
Personally, I’ve never understood how someone can write an entire book about atheism, since atheism is so extremely simple a four-year-old can easily grasp the core ideas.
It’s religious belief that is endlessly complicated, in the same way that it takes a huge investment of time to keep up on the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
"since atheism is so extremely simple a four-year-old can easily grasp the core ideas.
It’s religious belief that is endlessly complicated, in the same way that it takes a huge investment of time to keep up on the Marvel Cinematic Universe."
Trigonometry and particle physics are complicated too. Anything a four-year-old can't easily grasp must be fantasy, right?
I wonder what Mike would post if he couldn't rely on sophistry?
The fact he thinks comic book movies are complicated says a lot.
There is a difference between atheism which is a lack of faith, and Atheism which is anti-religion.
Good point.
There is mere lack of belief in God, which is Atheism, and then there is active opposition to the idea of God and it's interrelated ideas, which is Anti-Theism.
Both have a capitalized name, just as do the various religious and philosophical schools of thought. And I am both too.
I disagree. Lower-case atheism isn't a belief. It's a lack of belief. Upper-case Atheism is a belief that there's nothing to believe in. And Anti-Theists tend to be jerks to people with faith. I'm neither an Atheists nor an Anti-Theist, though I think they both give atheists like me a bad rap.
You are correct that there is a distinction between mere lack of belief in a God (a.k.a. Negative Atheism or Soft Atheism) and positive assertion that there is no God (a.k.a. Positive Atheism or Hard Atheism.)
You are also correct that Atheist have differing temperaments, not all good.
Myself, I get most riled with religion when it attempts to make it's worldview a way to guide an entire society and when it proclaims itself a synonym for ethics and morality. Otherwise, I don't quibble with The Men's Prayer Breakfast or The Ladies' Quilting Bee.
Nevertheless, it is OK to use capital letters to describe your worldview. That's how I've always encountered philosophical ideas in my studies (e.g. Theism and Atheism, Empiricism and Rationalism, Volition and Determinism, Libertarianism and Totalitarianism, etc.)
Once upon a time I studied philosophy when I thought I wanted to be an Attorney and open a competitor to Jay Leno's Philosophy Shop (Fast forward to 5:00). 🙂
https://youtu.be/qvmQZ1jQjQk
Though crazy dreams came and went, Philosophy is still good for everyday critical thinking, a perfect supplement, but not substitute, for applied and skilled pursuits.
"since atheism is so extremely simple a four-year-old can easily grasp the core ideas."
Yes, most internet atheists I've encountered are juvenile and shallow in their reasoning.
Says the person with a grade school cheer for a name. 🙂
I thought you preferred Dwaine B Tinsley. You probably consider his work to be an inspiration for your pastime.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
It's the militant atheists that are the worst. Your list is mostly militant atheists. Those that think you're going to hell if you're not a Capital A Atheist. You won't need to ask them if they are atheist, they will tell you. Evangelical Atheists.
Meanwhile I have atheist friends who don't go around proselytizing like they are Witnessing for Jehovah. It's like a completely different belief system.
Atheist here! Ready to answer your questions, but I don’t understand what those questions are.
Well, just for starters, is the following true? God, if He does exist, does NOT want us to worship Him, because He does not believe in Himself (He needs self-esteem counseling, I was told. Else He’d make Himself FAR more visible). WHY is the invisible God so invisible, if He exists? Why hide so much?
If He does NOT exist, then why doesn't He non-existentially somehow paint a giant sign in the sky, with a simple "Message" for us all: "Hi, not-a-God here, and I do NOT exist"!??!? That would save us all a LOT of trouble and fighting!
God, if He does exist…
Right there, with the first five words of the question, it is not a question about atheism. That’s a theological question.
If He does NOT exist, then why doesn’t He…
Things that don’t exist cannot do things.
Then how can a vacuum attract a gas? How does a vacuum (non-existence) piss off Momma Nature soooo much? ("Nature abhors a vacuum".) Oh, and also, sustain a constant rain of creation of "virtual particles" that then immediately mutually self-destruct or cancel each other? The boffins tell us that there's a LOT going on in a vacuum!
(They are even trying to measure the mass of this rain of virtual particles. I read about it recently but can't find it.)
Vacuums don’t attract gas. Brownian motion of the gas particles diffuse into the empty space. If none of the particles has any energy (as when they are at absolute zero) they would just sit there and none would enter the vacuum region.
Anyway, if we are talking about the cosmological question of how something came from nothing, the best guess I have come up with is the universe is a system in which nothing divides into something and anti-something, and this system has always been oscillating between nothingness and something/anti-something-ness and always will be.
This cosmology, which I admit I just made up, has two nice properties: the something and anti-something always add up to zero, solving the problem of how something can arise from nothing (mathematically, at least); and if you think of time as another dimension, there is no necessity for it to have a beginning or end.
Recently, I’ve come across one source (maybe full of bullshit) that says Navajos have a similar cosmology.
(And my f’ing iPhone keeps wanting to turn “cosmological” into “cosmetically”. Sigh.)
This cosmology, which I admit I just made up, is so simple a 4 year old could come up with it.
On Divine hiddenness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YvXeLtdVBE
Why do atheists such as yourself put so much faith in governments and large institutions? Why is your atheism invested in simply a religious personification of big institutions?
As an Ayn Rand atheist myself I have to ask how did she put so much faith in government? I must have missed that part of her philosophy.
Jesse is incapable of arguing against what anyone actually says. He has to twist it into something else and argue against that.
Lol. Sarc does exactly what he accused me of.
Mike said to ask questions and I did. Sarc creates a retarded functional strawman.
As for Mike. Faith in the CDC. Faith in SV corporations. Faith in non corruption of regulators such as in the banking industry.
But please go on sarc.
Ayn Rand formed her own form of philosophy as Objectivism. She was indeed centered on the individual. But she also existed in a time of limited atheism. Oddly enough she also called put the atheism of soviet Russia and other authoritarian regimes.
Stop pretending you've actually read her writings. She knew atheism was pushed by authoritarians to destroy family and group structures. She talked about it often.
Ayn Rand hated conservatives. Funny that you left that out.
She hated progressives too.
But who doesn't?
I thought you hated Ayn Rand. Why the sudden change?
He has never read her but assumes if he name drops it gets him cred.
Fifteen years posting here I have always expressed nothing but admiration for Ayn Rand as a thinker and philosopher.
Her novels are didactic but they were meant to be.
Soros is a representation of every Rand villain from her books lol. Literally using government power to push his views.
Nobody believes you.
Hahahahahahahahaha
That is a bald faced lie.
Didn’t she kinda hate almost everyone?
Most people. She had to invent heroes - idealized versions of perfect men.
And the few real-world men in her life she tried to control as if they were characters in her stories.
Ayn Rand was a prime example of how a pretty darned messed-up person can still have valuable insights and lessons to teach. The trick is not to swallow her philosophy whole.
In the Founthead one of the people who many think is going to be a hero was the rich person funding Rourke even though he is using his money and wealth to modify the behaviors of others. He realizes at the end he is one of the villains. Yet you worship Soros who behaves in the same manner. Explain.
Yet she claimed to be influenced by no one other than Aristotle... despite the obvious notes of Nietzsche.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Whats with all your retarded non sequitur? I never made that claim retard. She hated socialists far more dumdum.
Nothing about you is Objectivist, you’re a neocon demfag.
Atheist Libertarians don't.
Careful you don’t turn your atheism into a religion.
Q: If there is no god, who performed the apotheosis on Ayn Rand? If there is no god, who is she sitting to the right of in Heaven? Also, please explain the Babel Fish.
If you ask her, she’s sitting at the right hand of Aristotle.
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numerous words and phrases in Smith’s writings, such as “natural,” and such rotundities as “the Author of nature” or “the invisible hand,”
You can’t sneak weasel words like these past us rationalists.
Anyway, Smith gets a pass since he was pre-Darwin.
Smith’s Christianity was not evangelical, and did not in the jargon of the time display an “enthusiastic” personal relationship with Our Lord and Savior.
Acceptable.
Even as an atheist I sometimes identify as a “Christian” much like atheist Jews still identify as Jewish.
It’s this “personal relationship” garbage that identifies a real Christian nutjob (or Fundie-Nut as I prefer). I don’t give a fuck who you are – you do not have a “personal relationship” with a Jew who has been dead for 2000 years – if in fact he did once exist in a historical context.
Good article.
Testing, is this thing broken now? Whoa, looks like some sort of content-blocking going on! I posted no links at all, but some (perhaps too?) critical comments about some Christians that I have known! It would be nice to know WHICH thoughts are the forbidden ones!
Might be the AI moderation CE asked for above.
Yeah man, agreed...
Sad to say, Reason or Reason-bot doesn't like my thoughts. Put on your tinfoil hat, as I put mine on, and I will be transmitting...
this post is still up:
About that them thar God v/s atheism v/s agnosticism thang…
I used to wonder a lot, but I had my agnostic friends convince me that God, if He does exist, does NOT want us to worship Him, because He does not believe in Himself (He needs self-esteem counseling, I was told. Else He’d make Himself FAR more visible). If God doesn’t believe in Himself, then we obviously shouldn’t, either. I was left to wonder, well then, WHO in the Hell is qualified to give self-esteem counseling to God Himself?!?! Never got an answer…
in full.
OK, in bits and pieces to discover just WHAT my sins are...
A high percentage of Christians that I've known will assert that Jesus was both human and divine.
Yet, for every 10,000 times that they mouth the slogans about "letting Jesus into your life", etc., do they ALSO squeeze in just a FEW words, for balance, from other benevolent thinkers? "Let MLK Junior into your life", "Let Gandhi into your life", etc.? Or Buddha? You EVER hear that from Christians? It puts the lie to Jesus being "human" in their minds! And their silly slogans do NO real good to people in need!
"Let Jesus into your life!" ... There, I've done my Good Deed for the day, saying that, and now I can walk away contented, and go back to screwing people in business deals, and yelling and screaming at them for no good reason!
(These people are frankly trying to kiss God's butt... The PROPER way to do that is to "love your neighbor"!)
I grew up in a born-again Christian household, so I’m deeply familiar with the subculture.
I said this here just a few days ago, but to understand American culture and politics, you have to understand the backslide-into-sin-on-Saturday-night, repent-and-re-invite-Jesus-into-your-heart dynamic that permeates evangelical Christianity.
For American evangelical Christians, the guy who has lived a humble, moderate life of quiet virtue is boring. They are fascinated by the guy whose Sunday morning testimony is full of stories of their former life of sex, drugs, etc.
They don’t really want to get rid of fornication, adultery, homosexuality, drinking and drugs, but they want them kept in the shadows where they are naughty.
The dynamic explains everything from the themes of country music to why Trump is more popular than Pence.
Good points! I had never thought about Trump v/s Pence in that way, but I think you’re correct! Pence needs to grow some balls, and screw Stormy Daniels, and THEN his ratings will go up with the Bible-banging crowd! Bible-banging and porn-star-banging are a LOT more closely related than one would think, at a casual slut! I mean, at a casual cunt! I mean, at a casually horny glance!
This part is important: after he has relations with Stormy Daniels, or equivalent act, he has to publicly repent for it.
Which he has not. Which is also why evangelicals will not admit that affair ever happened. My dear mother still says all that stuff was made up by the Democrats and Lamestream Media.
Sigh.
Yeah, the more I think about it Trump wasn’t the best example.
Many on the Evangelical Right justify their enthusiasm by dreaming up that Trump repented of his serial adultery in the recent mythic past prior to running for president. His manifest greed didn't seem to be a problem because so much of Evangelicalism is captivated by the word of faith "prosperity gospel" alongside the old "everything you possess, you deserve" Puritan conservatism.
Another key to understanding his popularity with that demographic is that Trump satisfies their resentful urge to "own the libs," saying things they want to say but feel it would be unchristian to say. They know they are to love their enemies and do good to those who hate them, but Trump can play dirty and humiliate their cultural opponents while they maintain their middle-class moral hygiene, to borrow a term from Saul Alinsky.
Yes, all good points.
As a kid I was once dragged to a meeting where the "Moral Majority" was kicking off. It was clearly a cultural, not a religious movement. And since that day modern evangelicalism has been cultural, not religious. This is why they are so friendly with the "prosperity gospel" and other heresies. Jesus was a Republican and you worship him by voting Republican. And it was Good to go to war in the Middle East because Bush was a Good Christian, plus it was close to Israel so was Good to be there kicking ass. Trump was saved during the campaign, and is now a new fledgling Christian and we need to cut him some slack because he is not part of the Culture the evangelicals hold dear.
Those Lutherans and Episcopalians that fly pride flags? Democrats! Bah! They won't make it into paradise.
Don't anyone interrupt them folks.
Let this evangelism between Sqrlsy and Shrike stand on it's own merits for posterity. We're given insight into what these two awful people actually believe and the depth of their thought. Like did you know that Ricky Gervais is an intellectual?
The below, Marxist Mammary-Fuhrer, I wrote with YOU in mind!
(These people are frankly trying to kiss God’s butt… The PROPER way to do that is to “love your neighbor”!)
Read and heed! Your Moist Fashionable Magic Beliefs, Perfect Purse, Perfect Hairstyle, and Perfect Whorestyle will NOT save Your Perfectly Ugly Ass from the inevitable consequences of Your Perfectly Evil thoughts and deeds!
Yeah, that gibberish made zero sense. Maybe ask one of the orderlies how to write what you're trying to say.
The PROPER way to do that ("kiss God's butt") is to “love your neighbor”!
Evil people COULD understand this, if they were NOT evil... But they are EVIL, and so it is gibberish that makes zero sense to them! Only EVIL (smug and often cruelly violent and destructive self-righteousness) makes sense to the Perfectly Evil Ones!
Remember, on weekends the ward staff is mostly temps and they don't enforce the medications that inmates get during the week.
Intellectually and morally bankrupted pussy-shits pile on to defend other intellectually and morally bankrupted pussy-shits, with grade-school-level insults! I am SHOCKED, I'm telling you, SHOCKED!!!
Would more jello help?
I am well fed, thanks!
Your brain could use more actual DATA-DRIVEN inputs, but, sad to say... You can lead a horse to water, but ye can NOT make it THINK!
Allow me to make a rebuttle to every sqwer argument. (granted I have him muted, but I’m guessing nothing has changed.
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Of course you’re an atheist. This is typical of narcissistic Marxist pedophiles, such as yourself.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit, a TDS addled asshole and a pederast besides.
Communism is a failed religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KqMzmuLw4
"Young Muslim kids in Canada stomping on the Pride Flag as their families cheer."
It happened on Friday at an "education over indoctrination" protest in Ottawa, Canada. Canadian governments have prosecuted leaving tire tracks on 2SLGBTQQIPAA+ rainbow crosswalks as
blasphemyhate crimes before, so I wonder what's going to happen here?Maybe like how George Zimmerman was declared a "white Hispanic" these people will become Christian Muslims.
Christian Muslims.
Same conservative ideology. Embrace your conservative Islamic brethren!
That must be some of the deep atheist intellectual thought that you picked up from reading Ricky Gervais.
I have to admit I enjoy watching your fellow Canuck conservative apologist Jordan Peterson debate Sam Harris. Harris trounces him of course.
But I respect Peterson for his intellectual-based attempt. He takes a losing position at the outset.
Peterson isn't a conservative just because conservatives like him. You would do well to explore his actual viewpoints and opinions a bit more.
As a teenager Peterson was once leader of the NDP's youth wing. For those not familiar with Canadian politics they're the farthest left of Canadian mainstream parties... to the left of Trudeau's liberals.
Peterson isn’t a conservative just because conservatives like him.
Which is probably why I respect his intellect.
Another admirable characteristic he has is his willingness to discuss his personal maladies.
What about your personal maladies? Pedophilia and nazi worship?
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey he is as conservative as such far right extrimests like
Matt taibbi
Glen greewals
Kat timf
Juilin assange
Bari weise
And nick fuentes(yep the gay Mexican is the poster child for right wing extremist hate)
That used to be true. I’m not sure it can be said anymore that Peterson is not a conservative.
Something happened during his long illness (maybe just a coincidence) that made him more cranky and less thoughtful.
It’s still true, but collectivist like you, Jeff, and shrike don’t understand how to not lump anyone who disagrees with you together.
How did Harris "trounce" him?
Shrike agreed with his narratives.
JP repeatedly cannot defend Christian dogma yet (poorly) attempts to defend the religion.
Like Buckley he thinks religion is good for the little people who lack a moral system of their own making.
It's that PHONE BOOK bullshit conservatives yap about all the time. "Give me random average assholes from the phone book as leaders over enlightened liberals" blah blah blah.
They're all full of shit.
Conservatism is a lie based on lies.
You just admitted you liked him 2 posts up for not being a conservative. How many drugs did you take today?
None.
He’s just incredibly incredibly stupid.
Yeah, exactly what I suspected.
You didn't actually watch the debate at all and now you're giving me a non-answer and trying to change the subject.
You're such a joke.
Humans are hard wired to believe in something. Leftist just replaced the church with the government and retarded seals like you clapped along.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Yeah, I've wondered if the radical far left Democrats have thought through their welcoming embrace of Muslim immigrants. I guess it's immigration uber alles.
Bill Maher asks the same question all the time. Why does the far-left coddle rabid conservative Muslims?
We real liberals denounce those zealots as often as possible.
You're as much a "real liberal" as Martin Bormann.
Or Chester the Molester.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
MAGA Muslims.
MAGA Communists. Look it up.
Yes, many of the Red Hats are indeed - RED.
MAGA Communists. Look it up.
Yes, that's good. Keep pushing that trope. Spread it around.
They call themselves "MAGA Communists" as Trump supporters, you moron.
I just found out about them recently.
turd lies. turd lies when he knows he’s lying. turd lies when we know he’s lying. turd lies when he knows that we know he’s lying.
turd lies. Turd is a lying pile of lefty shit and a pederast besides.
Teacher threatening students with saturday detention for not watching pride propaganda.
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1667885261953409025
Let's see what Jeff thinks.
Wow! Trump toadies Bill Barr and Jonathan Turley just said Donnie was toast on Fox News.
Da Meatball sees his 2024 stock skyrocket.
It is telling how our Trump Fans are avoiding this legally solid indictment by Special Prosecutor Jack Smith.
But their attacks on Woke Progressive Straw-Man are in full go mode.
WokeProgressiveStrawMan is a complete idiot for sure. Good Job, Trumpers.
Were you samefagging your troll post but forgot to switch socks?
If you were intelligent you’d recognize that this means they weren’t cultist.
Sadly, we’ll never be rid of your idiocy.
2020 Presidential Election Absentee Ballots Discovered in Genesee County Storage Unit
It's okay though. They were all "spoiled".
Were they disvotes or malvotes?
Backup votes.
Ballot fortification is just like taking vitamin supplements, right?
Remember the prog-baiting statements "It's alright to be white" and "Islam is right about women"?
Here's another question to ask:
What percentage of gun crimes are committed by Republicans?
After Rethugglicans commit gun crimes, they declare themselves to be Demon-Craps! The LEOs, courts, and the pollsters are easy to fool! ALWAYS blame the OTHER guy or gal! YOU (Oh Perfect One) obviously know that VERY well!
"After Rethugglicans commit gun crimes, they declare themselves to be Demon-Craps"
By George, you've got it all figured out, Shillsy.
"The Devil made me do it" was the older excuse, now worn out! The NEW version now is "Demon-Craps and their NASTY policies took over my mind, and MADE me pull that trigger"!
The CIA must be livid. Now how are they going to fund their Black ops?
Taliban successfully eradicates poppy cultivation: Report
Afghan poppy cultivation, which long provided most of the world’s heroin supply, flourished for decades due to US intervention in the country
Taliban successfully eradicates poppy cultivation
Taliban announced opening of world’s largest fentanyl factory on site of former poppy fields.
+1!
Actually wish this was true.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1667879010318032896?t=gZEWgG_PxY6EvsdsMKoy2Q&s=19
BREAKING: George Soros hands over control of his $25B empire to his son
Alexander vows to be even “more political” than his father
Needs the extra time getting ready for hellfire, I suppose. There's probably a lot of extermination camp victims waiting for him who want their stuff back.
He is already one of the largest donors to democrats and regularly meets with them all the way up to Biden.
https://www.influencewatch.org/person/alexander-soros/
And
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-soros-son-becomes-kingmaker-with-top-dems-makes-multiple-biden-wh-visits-meets-lawmakers
But shrike will tell us he is a classical liberal searching for freedoms.
I hope Mossad, or some group like that, eliminates the entire Soros family.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1667894858965475330?t=9tQ_xzikZA6lEyS496exbw&s=19
Defining photos of the Biden presidency
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https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1667722539617984513?t=ITmfs2PkGtHpjzXF_ea7dw&s=19
Took a walk around our nation’s capital tonight & noted some ironies:
- Flag Day is coming up this week yet the U.S. Treasury flies the trans flag
- The D.C. Mayor building is lit in Ukrainian yellow-&-blue
- The Dept of Justice building says: “where law ends, tyranny begins,” as if completely self-aware of the joke
- The National Archives is an ugly & corrupt institution yet its building is stunningly beautiful
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But what (anti)racist tripe does the Smithsonian have up this month?
A banner saying that the niggers don't care about family, religion, hard work, honesty, being on time, and knowledge?
Or did they take those down?
And as the Washington Post says, "Democracy dies in darkness. At least, that's the plan."
She was fired because she was late to work not once, not twice, but 47 times.
She said it was because she was black.
A jury awarded her over 11 million dollars.
Hey, "schedules" and "promptness" are white oppression, so the bitch was entitled to her race's approach to work (and to at least $11 million).
If the jury wasn’t so racist they would have given her $22 million.
New York jury. But we are supposed to pretend they are unbiased.
Anti-biased?
Bring back segregation, if for no other reason than to protect businesses from juries.
Being on time is playing the white man's game. She deserved every penny.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNerBxHdCmg
Ahhh cpt
It's the Cedric skit not the reno 911
It’s time to cleanse the left.
https://twitter.com/17cShyteposter/status/1667828537439690752?t=lMH2Igtha5aTgGlDgyHGiw&s=19
Daily reminder that California's had negative internal migration for 25 years
This means Americans have been abandoning it since before the turn of the century. California's population growth is entirely immigrant-based
He's not speaking to America. But to its replacement
It feels like it should be bigger news, that American citizens have been abandoning beautiful California for *a quarter of a century*
But of course it doesn't matter, because they hate their own citizens, they *want* them driven out, and replaced by vote banks
Btw California's governor knows it's a joke that his "28th Amendment," his annulment of the 2A, can never pass with 2/3 of the states' votes
*No* constitutional amendment will never pass again. Ever. That is proof there is no longer a single nation here. It's dead and gone
If no amendment to the Constitution can ever pass again—and try to tell me one that could—then the legal basis of the nation no longer exists
Because we are no longer an "us." The nation has been dissolved. Our laws are obsolete, and no longer apply. Just look at our cities.
The purpose of this "Californian" law, then, isn't to convince the states to adopt a new constitutional amendment. It will never happen, it's a joke
It's to coerce the new population to drop the last vestiges of republican constitutional law. And enforce something new instead.
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"He’s not speaking to America. But to its replacement"
Pretty sure that Mexicans like their guns too...
This is why the ruling to count illegal immigrants in the census was so fucking dangerous.
If the Constitution can't be effectively amended, then the Progs are stuck with the version we have now.
I am a citizen of Iowa. Had at one time been a biticen of Illinois and South Carolina. Need to work out a way to quit paying federal taxes. I guess if I stop working...
So what?
ESG Dystopia: Why Corporations Are Doubling Down On Woke Even As They Lose Billions
https://alt-market.us/esg-dystopia-why-corporations-are-doubling-down-on-woke-even-as-they-lose-billions/
"In the past, lenders would base their financing standards on good credit scores and the likelihood of return on investment. If you had a business with a history of solid returns and worthy collateral then you would probably get whatever loans you needed. Today, however, lenders are trying to set political and ideological terms for companies seeking to obtain financing. You must signal your virtue to get access to money, and this includes supporting climate and carbon initiatives, reorganizing your labor based on diversity and inclusion rules, even promoting LGBT activism might be a big factor in your next infusion of cash.
The higher your ESG score, the more likely it is that you will qualify for access to debt. This is part of the reason why a large array of corporations are increasingly jumping on the “pride month” bandwagon. All they have to do is slap some rainbows on some products or commercials or publicly defend the trans grooming of children and suddenly they are golden for another year of subsidized funds.
But what happens in a world where consumer loyalty is no longer a guarantee and the public stops buying from chains that promote woke concepts? What happens when going woke also means going broke? Is ESG cash really worth losing half your customers or more?
It seems like pure madness, but what if they know something we don’t? What if they are riding out an engineered economic crisis so that they can be rewarded later with “too woke to fail” riches? My theory is that while ESG lending appears to be dying today, tomorrow ESG lending will be the only way any company will be able to survive.
We need to start considering the future possibility of globally institutionalized ESG. The frightening notion of central bank ESG financing has been circulating ever since the early days of the covid pandemic. From the BIS to the Fed to the ECB, numerous programs began to surface with woke connotations. Most of them initially focused on climate change, with central banks suddenly taking an interest in “saving the planet” from a carbon threat that doesn’t exist. Now, there’s a rising chorus of DEI and social equity babble coming from central banks as well.
Maybe international banks are limited in how they engage in ESG lending, but what about central banks? What if they drop their facade of being “politically neutral” and come out full force in support of the woke mind virus? What if central banks become the foundation of ESG? Wouldn’t woke lending then become perpetual?
I believe that this is exactly what is intended to happen, but it would have to be tied directly to an economic crisis as well as the introduction of digital currencies (CBDCs). A debt crisis (along with stagflation) could force a majority of companies into a corner. With lack of funds, falling consumer spending and a tightening loan market, central banks and stimulus measures would once again become the only official mechanism for rebuilding the economy.
Governments would also be beholden to central banks as a means to stay afloat, and this means the bankers will have immense influence over how money is distributed (and how wealth is reallocated)."
Well worth a read. CBDCs are coming and the central bankers will have unprecedented control over who is allowed to survive.
This is why there can be no more democrats. Then all of this will be ended. We need a Red Scare orders of magnitude greater than the original.
The left has made this necessary. What happens will be on them.
Off topic, yet somehow much more on-topic:
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1667894028774387712?t=1FUcQ1gFL9pgmhVvO4E4Eg&s=19
You guys don't ever get to make fun of libertarian politicians again. Not knowing what Aleppo was isn't even a rounding error on voting tens of billions of dollars to fund a war in Ukraine while not having ever heard of Crimea or Donbas.
Aleppo was a thing for about 5 minutes, and probably only had import because it was amplified by the security state and the propaganda machine to drive mob support for more war on terror.
Crimea and Donbas are central to any understanding of Russia-Ukraine. Not knowing what they are would be fine if you had not already cast votes in favor of sending a hundred billion in military aid over there.
What is the point of electing representatives if this is the level of care they are going to demonstrate? Not reading the bill is bad enough, but not even bothering to get beyond "Putin is a madman" for your level of understanding? Dude, abstain if you are going to stick at the slogan level.
It won't matter, they want Ukraine to fight until they have no one left. The great war crime of our age.
Pretty incredible. It would take this reprobate idiot a couple of hours to understand the history of Ukraine if he's even literate. This would be a good start:
https://original.antiwar.com/david_stockman/2022/09/27/washingtons-pointless-war-on-behalf-of-a-fake-nation/
And again for the record, I don't love Putin or hate Ukranians. My wife is Ukranian.
And for your own record, they tell me there is no way to criticize the war in Ukraine without being a Putin lover. And probably MAGA. And definitely suspect.
but not even bothering to get beyond “Putin is a madman” for your level of understanding? Dude, abstain if you are going to stick at the slogan level.
That's precisely what makes him (and Biden) so valuable. When your elected leaders literally don't know what's going on, they become the most easily manipulated. To overuse a hackneyed phrase around here: Feature, not a bug.
Sadly, this is probably the observation that explains everything.
Vanneman unintentionally revealed that this is actually how things work. And the pols on the hill unintentionally confirmed it.
https://twitter.com/kyrieeleison60/status/1667914493807022080?t=JzzPtgMn0wjFQJlP5JGt8g&s=19
"America, it is said, is suffering from intolerance — it is not. It is suffering from tolerance. Tolerance of right and wrong, truth and error, virtue and evil, Christ and chaos. Our country is not nearly so overrun with the bigoted as it is overrun with the broadminded" - Ven. Fulton J. Sheen
Shackford smiles.
California Bill Would Punish Parents Who Don't 'Affirm' Their Child's Gender Identity
https://freebeacon.com/california/california-bill-would-punish-parents-who-dont-affirm-their-childs-gender-identity/
A newly revised California bill would treat parents' refusal to "affirm" their child’s gender identity as a violation of health, safety, and welfare in the context of custody disputes.
The bill, which has already passed the State Assembly, would require judges adjudicating such disputes over transgender-identifying children to favor the parent who "affirms" the child's preferred identity. Earlier this week the authors released an updated version that specifically defines "the health, safety, and welfare" of a child to include "a parent's affirmation of the child's gender identity"—a change that the bill's opponents worry will open the door to non-affirmation being treated as abuse.
While the updated language does not define what affirmation means, it tells judges to consider anything less by parents on par with the parents' history of drug and alcohol use, physical abuse, or neglect of a child. The bill makes no distinctions regarding the age of a child, how long a child has identified as transgender, or affirmation of social transition versus medical sex-change treatments.
WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP BITCHING ABOUT BAFFROOMS!
https://twitter.com/Fumshway/status/1667916745636454404?t=1TFAhtCFEcEuX62mLaTCsg&s=19
I think this meme and others like it have had the most effect on me. Everything this nation is, is a betrayal of what any of these men would have wanted it to be
That flag is there to piss on you. No one gives a shit about LGBT in reality. It’s just a social weapon. One of many
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"No one gives a shit about LGBT in reality. It’s just a social weapon."
It hasn't been about gays and lesbians since gay marriage was recognized by the state a decade ago.
The Great Culling can’t come soon enough.
I count several good friends among the ranks of Christianity and agree that "quiet Christians" are not incompatible with liberty. I've even had some neighbors and associates who were mildly evangelical but not obnoxiously so. I have no problem existing side by side with more extremist religious communities as long as they are otherwise good neighbors and tend to their own flocks. People who try to emulate the tradition of Jesus Christ in their own personal lives also tend to be good neighbors and colleagues. It is only when cults and sects gain control of government authority and try to impose an official religion or to sneak their religious moral code into the legal code that it becomes incompatible with a tolerant liberty.
"It is only when cults and sects gain control of government authority and try to impose an official religion or to sneak their religious moral code into the legal code that it becomes incompatible with a tolerant liberty."
Like these guys?
Reason and the SPLC, always on the lookout for right wing extremists and the power and influence they have over the government and the media...
“Reason and the SPLC”
Yeah, sure. They are as thick as thieves. That’s why Reason was criticizing SPLC only three days ago:
https://reason.com/2023/06/09/southern-poverty-law-center-moms-for-liberty-splc-hate-extremist-list/
FYI, you can be a street preacher and still be compatible with liberty.
Nowhere does God tell Christians to use force of arms to try to make other people moral. The mind virus of State worship - by far the largest religion in the world - is so strong that even people who call themselves "Christians" have a hard time fighting it!
Adam Smith got most of his best ideas from medieval Islam via Al-Ghazali (d.1111) and Tusi (d.1274). For example: his pin factory example actually comes directly from Imam Ghazali's needle factory.
Imam Ghazali, of course, was informed by Shari'a.
https://twitter.com/_titanslayer_/status/1624673660693893120
It always shocks lefties that medieval, renaissance and early modern European scholars were reading and exchanging ideas with Islamic world scholars for centuries. It flies in the face of their narratives.
They forget that the caliphates replaced the Eastern Roman empire which was once united with Europe as one nation from Britain to Egypt.
Had Smith been exchanging ideas with Islamic scholars, it would have resulted in some truly shocked lefties. The one in question had been dead for hundreds of years by the time Smith got wind of his works. Smug vindication is the phrase you're looking for. That's what lefties feel when a Muslim beats a Scotsman to the punch.
Smith also didn't live for the "centuries" encompassing the "medieval, renaissance and early modern" period that I specifically mentioned. He also wasn't all the "European scholars".
You sure showed me, genius. Good job.
We show each other. Life is beautiful.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
I am not sure how it necessarily fits lefty narratives, but your point about influences and exchange of ideas, etc. is a very good one. One can scarcely conceive of European science and mathematics without Islamic world influence. (I have argued elsewhere that one reason for the Islamic/Arab world's resentment of the West is that the former had a scientific advantage up to the Renaissance and that advantage has been dramatically squandered - and in the zero-sum thinking that has characterised the ME for centuries, that must be because of evildoing by the West, not the effects of a return to fundamentalism - and oppressing Jews has traditionally not been a forward move for scientific prowess.)
FWIW I don't think it's accurate to describe the Roman Empire as "one nation" and the Romans wouldn't have thought so either.
The Islamic world basically was riding out the remainder of the glories of Byzantium and Alexandria, and often erroneously get the credit for creating the intellectual climate of the world that they absorbed.
You're right that most of the empire's citizens wouldn't have been nationalistic regarding the empire as a whole, but it operated as a federal national polity in ways similar to the US and its constituent states.
The Islamic world basically was riding out the remainder of the glories of Byzantium and Alexandria, and often erroneously get the credit for creating the intellectual climate of the world that they absorbed.
That's possible, but at least they didn't initially suppress it - and certainly encouraged it in places like Moorish Spain. But regardless, I think we can agree that it all turned to shit-flavoured hummus.
"at least they didn’t initially suppress it"
Some did, some didn’t.
In 642 Alexandria was captured by the Muslim army of Amr ibn al-As. Caliph Omar then ordered the Great Library of Alexandria destroyed, saying: “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.”
That library was the biggest in the ancient world and had the equivalent of 100,000 books. Some writings dating as far back as 800 BC.
It was the seventh century version of destroying the internet.
I had forgotten that instance though I recall the line. (IIRC a similar line was later used by the Church when destroying literature of one of the Meso- or South American tribes). I am not sure however that either the event or the quote are historically validated - and the Library was in a pretty poor shape by that point - so I think that calling it the internet of its day is more than a little hyperbolic. It had been burned, and otherwise damaged and (probably) looted a few times before the Muslims got their paws on it.
"The Islamic world basically was riding out the remainder of the glories of Byzantium and Alexandria,"
I disagree. Advanced scientific knowledge and inquiry in the region predates the period of Islam. It predates the Romans. It goes back to the Babylonian times. They were the ones who first came up with Pythagorean mathematics, a thousand years before the Greeks came up to speed. And before Babylonians came the Sumerians. They also predated Islam and the Romans, and gave us our first cities and writing system. The roots of the genius of this region stretch much further than Rome or Islam.
Why did the region become subordinate to Europe? If you believe that Geography precedes History, you have to look at the climate and the land. The momentum the region enjoyed since the days of the Sumerians petered out with the hot and dry weather, hardly the Garden of Eden it was in biblical times.
There's also the curious of case of the movable type of Gutenberg. This is what propelled Europe's intellectual revolution. Parchment to paper. It took a lot longer to catch on in the Islamic world. Their script is continuous with all the letters joined together, and the original tech could only do separated letters, as in the Roman alphabet. Attempts were made to publish books in Arabic, but with disjointed script that readers rejected on aesthetic grounds. They continued with copying by hand in the traditional style that remains today. It was only many years later that tech developed to accommodate their preferred style.
"I disagree."
Yes, you're a fucking ignoramus.
The Islamic world certainly made contributions, largely under the influence of Aristotle, whose writings were preserved by the pagan Neoplatonists. Before the Reconquista, and subsequent birth of Scholasticism when his metaphysics were wed to high medieval Catholicism, the Latin West had access only to the logical works of the Organon. Aristotle's influence had been moderately felt in Eastern Christian theology up to that point.
Byzantine Christians were esteemed in the Islamic world for their education and cultural contributions, until they suffered violent backlashes across the Middle East in retaliation for the Latin Crusades, after which their numbers severely dwindled.
" largely under the influence of Aristotle, whose writings were preserved by the pagan Neoplatonists. "
It doesn't seem like Aristotle played much of a role in the economic theories of Muslims on the division of labor etc that preceded Smith. Smith and his potential Islamic sources take economics to a whole new level of analysis. Under them, economics becomes a social science. It was original stuff far surpassing Aristotle's contribution.
"Byzantine Christians were esteemed in the Islamic world "
Pity they weren't esteemed in the Christian world. One of the crusades put the finishing touches on the east-west schism, which echoes even today in Ukraine:
"In the course of the Fourth Crusade of 1202–1204 Latin crusaders and Venetian merchants sacked Constantinople itself (1204), looting the Church of Holy Wisdom and various other Orthodox holy sites, and converting them to Latin Catholic worship. The Norman Crusaders also destroyed the Imperial Library of Constantinople. Various holy artifacts from these Orthodox holy places were taken to the West. The crusaders also appointed a Latin Patriarch of Constantinople. The conquest of Constantinople and the final treaty established the Latin Empire of the East and the Latin Patriarch of Constantinople (with various other Crusader states). Later some religious artifacts were sold in Europe to finance or fund the Latin Empire in Byzantium – as when Emperor Baldwin II of Constantinople (r. 1228–1261) sold the relic of the Crown of Thorns while in France trying to raise new funds to maintain his hold on Byzantium. In 1261 the Byzantine emperor, Michael VIII Palaiologos brought the Latin Empire to an end. However, the Western attack on the heart of the Byzantine Empire is seen as a factor that led eventually to its conquest by Ottoman Muslims in the 15th century. Many scholars believe that the 1204 sacking of Constantinople contributed more to the schism than the events of 1054."
"and oppressing Jews has traditionally not been a forward move for scientific prowess.)"
It didn't stop Europe from moving forward. Or the States, for that matter.
"Harvard University’s websites proudly point to the fact that it awarded Albert Einstein an honorary SD degree in 1935. The university is making use of its honorary degree to Einstein even though as is well-known, the school at the time and for over a decade afterwards refused to hire Jews. However Einstein’s willingness to be used by Harvard is still something of a mystery on the 70th anniversary of his receiving the honor.
By then a world famous figure, Einstein arrived in the United States in 1933 to take a position at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Study, not Princeton University as so many people believe. The Institute had just been created and funded by wealthy Jewish businessmen for the express purpose of saving brilliant Jewish intellectuals such as Einstein from the ravages of Nazism. It is curious that when there were so many excellent universities in America, there was a need to create the institute to gather in these refugees. Schools such as Harvard, Princeton, and Yale were totally Judenfrei in their faculty ranks; they hired no Jews till the late 1940s. "
"...It didn’t stop Europe from moving forward. Or the States, for that matter..."
One of those is not like the other, you pathetic pile of shit, and you might, if you had the brains to do so, examine how Hitler's condemnation of "jewish physics" affected the Nazi war effort.
But, being the fucking ignoramus you are, that would be too much effort.
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
You should see where his numbers came from!
Why do you think you have to spell out the amount of your checks in words in English?
Only the middle east had needles according to noted scholar mtrueman.
Middle east -> needles
Far east -> noodles
trueman:
mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Eat shit and die, asshole.
https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/status/1667980077621977090?t=_tAV6lMu4LgaVkawie4TqA&s=19
President Biden will be deploying federal protective details for this. Accelerating awfully fast, huh?
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Perhaps the author of this article is unaware of the terms "theist" and "deist". When Smith excludes any reference to Jesus or Christ, and uses phrases like "Author of nature", and given his milieu, I think that he could well have been a deist, or more likely - given benevolent interference - a theist, rather than a Christian.
Perhaps the assholic, obnoxiously arrogant piece of shit is unaware of the term
"Pedant".
Fuck off and die, asshole.
But the Australian economist and Christian theologian Paul Oslington, who has read Smith, argues persuasively that numerous words and phrases in Smith's writings, such as "natural," and such rotundities as "the Author of nature" or "the invisible hand," stand for "the Christian doctrine of divine providential care for humanity." Adam Smith, in short, was a Christian.
Uh, no. "Natural" means "natural," not "Supernatural." Thus, using this word doesn't make Adam Smith a Christian.
And where was "providential care for humanity" in human history, especially in the impoverished pre-Capitalist, pre-Industrial times?
And just how can God be "rotund" without a belly? 🙂
There was a spectrum of Enlightenment "natural religion," from an irreligious or even antireligious deism, to a universal religion discoverable by public reason, to a kind of demythologized Protestantism. Many self-described Christians in the intelligentsia saw themselves as rescuing the essence of Christianity from pious folk belief in miracles, conceived of as chaos-inducing violations of divinely instituted natural laws. The Incarnation and Resurrection were a no-go, obviously, so Jesus' value became centrally located in his role as a revolutionary teacher of liberal egalitarian ethics.
Frankly, the (Banezian) Thomism that came to dominate European universities is largely to blame for introducing a two-storey universe of natural and supernatural goods into Western theology, supplanting the traditional view of grace as perfecting nature, not something alien or opposed to it. It became easy to dispose of the revelatory and the supernatural because nature could be thought of as a system self-contained, self-consistently rational, and sufficient for human fulfillment. The advent of Newtonian mechanics that admitted no final causes was the capstone.
All of these articles describing what Adam Smith was or wasn't is purely projection on the part of the authors. It is an ancient trope to claim that some revered figure of the past must have thought like us, because we are so obviously right that a great thinker of that stature surely came the same conclusions that we have.
If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants. - Sir Isaac Newton, in a letter to Robert Hooke (1676)
Newton was not the first to have used that phrase either, which is appropriate given the message of that phrase. The great thinkers of the past are always worth reading and considering, but none are so brilliant that they should be used as authorities. Nor is there any value in trying to project our own thoughts and values onto them. Let their own words be their legacy without trying to infer what they thought or would have thought about ideas or events centuries past their time.
OMG, the sorry return of the steaming pile of shit who proposes murder of the unarmed as a preventative measure for activities which this steaming pile of shit might later find objectionable:
"JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Imagine! Some of those people might have put their feet on the desks of the gods to which the asshole Jason prays!
Eat shit and die, you pathetic piece of shit.
Adam Smith was notoriously anti-Catholic and now we know that Locke counseled toleration for Catholics.
ANd what about Edmund Burke , who in no way shared Smith's religious views. Adam Smith has that cut-to-fit religion that so destroyed the Enlightenment in England. Guess where he would place himself
Adam Smith described the "two different schemes or systems of morality" that prevail in all civilized societies.
"In every civilized society, in every society where the distinction of ranks has once been completely established, there have been always two different schemes or systems of morality current at the same time; of which the one may be called the strict or austere; the other the liberal, or, if you will, the loose system. The former is generally admired and revered by the common people: the latter is commonly more esteemed and adopted by what are called people of fashion."
As Gertrude Himmelfarb has noted this does NOT apply in the revolutionary era America.
After this article I think I will always reply as John Henry Newman did
The best way of complimenting Adam Smith is to ignore what he says about money, and listen to what he says about the affections.
See my comment above about missing medications.
Stupid, ignorant (especially history-ignorant) troglodytes have NEVER studied up on the history of "false flag" operations!
So you're saying non-Republican gun crime is a Republican false flag operation?
The religious left replaced Satan with conservatives. All bad acts are theirs. See the KKK party switching that never happened as an example. Or the constant victim blaming to support censorship by government.
Well, they have told us that the mere existence of white people causes stress and corrupts the morals of all good POCs.
He’s so fucking stupid. Probably too focused on his kiddie porn to pay attention.