Americans Fear 'Disaster' From Both Biden and Trump
Voters deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess.

Americans see the next presidential election shaping up as a national trainwreck. When asked in recent weeks, majorities of respondents told pollsters that the election of either Joe Biden or Donald Trump as president would be a setback or a disaster for the United States. With majorities also considering it likely that the two White House veterans will be their party's respective nominees for a 2024 rematch it seems the public anticipate the inauguration of the next head of state with little enthusiasm.
Honestly, though, voters deserve a share of blame for this mess.
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It's Bad Whichever Retread Wins
In a poll conducted May 17-20 for CNN by SSRS and published late last week, respondents were asked about their reactions to a potential win in 2024 by either the current president or his predecessor.
"Thinking ahead to next year's election for president, if [INSERT NAME] won the election, would that be (a disaster for the country, a setback, a step forward, or a triumph for the country)?"
A potential Biden win was described by 41 percent of respondents as a disaster, with another 26 percent naming it a setback. All of 27 percent called it a step forward and 7 percent named it a triumph. That's a solid two-thirds calling a Biden win bad for the country.
A possible return to the White House by Trump was described by 44 percent of respondents as a disaster, while 12 percent saw it as a setback. Twenty-seven percent called it a step forward and 17 percent a triumph. A full 56 percent see a Trump win as hurting the United States.
Unloved But Inevitable
Unsurprisingly, neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump gets a lot of love from the public. Biden is viewed favorably by 35 percent of respondents, and unfavorably by 57 percent. Trump has a similar 37 percent favorable rating and 57 percent unfavorable.
A separate poll by NBC has 70 percent of respondents saying "Joe Biden should not run for president" in 2024, and 60 percent expressing the same opinion about Donald Trump. Another poll by the Marquette Law School put opposition to a Biden run at 76 percent and to a Trump run at 64 percent.
That should mean that Americans hope to move on and put somebody else in the presidency, right? They might be ready to put anybody else at the head of their respective political parties to avert "disaster," you'd think. Instead, though, Americans appear resigned to the prospect of these two heralds of political doom once again battling it out as leading contenders for the White House.
Asked "how likely do you think it is that Joe Biden will win the Democratic nomination for president?" 24 percent of Democrats and Democrat-leaning independents said that such an outcome is "extremely likely," with another 31 percent considering it "very likely." Similar results come from asking Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "how likely do you think it is that Donald Trump will win the Republican nomination for president?" Twenty-four percent said that such an outcome is "extremely likely," with another 28 percent considering it "very likely." That's a solid majority in both cases that expect these two to lead their parties once again, setting up a replay of the last election.
Given that Trump and Biden both enjoy comfortable leads in recent preference polls among their respective party faithful, that seems like a fair forecast for next year's contest, unless something changes. Granted, it's early days yet and Trump, in particular, faces strong challengers—especially in the form of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. Biden's rivals are less serious and it's difficult to displace a sitting president. But he's also a not especially well-preserved octogenarian; his party might be forced to pick an alternative by the simple progress of time.
Light at the End of the Tunnel—In a Way
But what a profoundly depressing view the polls offer of this country's politics. Americans consider a second term in office for either of these men as a net negative for the country, with strong pluralities describing the prospect as a "disaster," and yet describe one version or the other of that oncoming disaster as likely, if not entirely unavoidable. Here, truly, is an example of seeing a light at the end of the tunnel and knowing that it's an oncoming freight train.
For all of the inevitable talk about what is supposedly yet another "most important election ever" in the world's leading democracy, it's obvious that most people in this country feel like they have little say in the process. Americans fully anticipate that the country's two dominant political parties will offer up unpopular candidates who ought not be running for office, that one of these candidates will win the presidency, and that the consequences will be terrible.
At the very least, this is an indictment of a political system in which the dominant two political parties almost seems to delight in offering up Kang vs. Kodos-style non-choices between the worst possible options. After all, what are you going to do? Throw your vote away on other candidates like the voters in every other functioning democracy on the planet?
Voters Deserve Blame
The blame here is largely on Americans themselves. People consistently tell pollsters that they want other options on the ballot, and they do so in numbers that suggest success for rival efforts.
"More Americans say a third party is necessary (39%) than say the Democratic and Republican parties are enough to represent Americans (30%)," YouGov reported last summer.
"Sixty-two percent of U.S. adults say the 'parties do such a poor job representing the American people that a third party is needed,'" Gallup found in 2021.
"It would take at least five parties to capture the ideological aspirations of Americans," researchers noted for the Voter Study Group in 2018.
But when offered candidates who aren't Democrats or Republicans, voters rarely take advantage. Nor do they give much money or support to political entrepreneurs between elections in hopes of expanding the range of ballot options beyond those put up by the major parties. Political parties may come and go in most countries, but Americans remain stuck with two creaky organizations dating to the 19th century that offer candidates most people view with dread and whose seemingly inevitable victory is foreseen as "disaster" no matter which way the election goes.
As awful as the two major parties undoubtedly are, and as unpalatable as their likely candidates promise to be, the public needs to take a large share of the blame for this situation. If leading contenders for high office are so terrible, voters should choose somebody else. And if putting the government in the hands of politicians from either major party threatens disaster, it shouldn't have been allowed to accumulate enough power to do such harm. The country may face disaster, but it's self-inflicted.
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Ir's not personal. Republicans dislike Democrats and vice versa. Wouldn't matter who the nominees are. There's been an unusually (compared to US history during my lifetime) strong partisan segregation of preferences and opinions lately.
Seems like it might be more the party "leadership" groups spinning up divisions around the "culture war" as camouflage for the fact that they're actually not all that far apart in policy anymore.
Trump actually extended DACA by executive order, Biden extended Rule 42 and "stay in Mexico" policies as well as having the HHS Department reopen the "kids in cages" camps which Obama had set up and the MSM blamed trump for inventing.
No, that question was not asked. It's mostly different people who consider one a net negative and those who consider the other so.
You might as well poll the room on whether it was too hot or too cold, and conclude that the same people who thought it was too hot also thought it too cold.
“Voters deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess.”
I didn’t bother to read the article, but I’m guessing that the professed voting habits of Reason writers are not addressed.
That certainly makes most of your comments easier to understand. If all you're interested in is flinging shit, I suppose would be a waste of time to read actual articles.
Jerry Jr., you've just sooo badly misread the situation. It's not about candidates or a problem with parties. You could disintermediate it all and have direct democracy, and it'd just be that half the voters want things that are not just different from, but incompatible with, what the other half wants. The parties lately have been doing an uncommonly good job of reflecting voters' desires.
So, rank and file Democrats want:
1. An open border
2. Free rein for criminals in large cities
3. Fentanyl for everybody
4. A Biden kleptocracy
5. Chemical/Surgical castration of little boys, and similar procedures for little girls
6. Repeat items 1 through 5 endlessly
As soon as I hear someone blathering about the mythical "open border", I know they're either ignorant, a liar, or an ignorant liar. Our severely dysfunctional justice system is messed up in no small part because of decades of "tough on crime" Dems. The only reason we have a fentanyl crisis is because of the failed and immoral drug war, which is admittedly part of that "tough" crap. The rest is too dumb to even bother with.
Honestly, though, voters deserve a share of blame for this mess.
As though voters had anything to do with the 2020 election.
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"Honestly, though, voters deserve a share of blame for this mess."
Nope. Only the voters who voted Democratic or Republican or didn't vote.
Only "some" voters deserve the blame for this, those that vote based on party and emotions, as opposed to voting based on the issues and the necessary tradeoffs, because more time and effort is necessary to delve into the issues. Politicians of all stripes focus their messaging to appeal primarily to emotions, not intellect, and this is because that is the way to reach such voters, who are in the majority. Remember the crying scene at Hillary's election nite confab? And in subsequent days, those who very publicly screamed at the sky? These, and the far larger number who are less obnoxious, are largely to blame for the current calamity.
They sure acted like the German ultrarightwing circa 1919!
An d the Cunt®™ (legally known as Hillary Rodham Clinton) gave them their own Stab in the Back®™ conspiracy theory, with the FBI lending the illusion of credibility!
Only the voters who voted Democratic or Republican
or didn’t vote.Anyone who looked at the options available and concluded that none of them had earned their vote, and therefore didn’t vote, aren’t to blame for the shitshow before us now. IMO.
Edit: and to clarify further, only those voters who voted D or R out of blind party loyalty or because they fell for the MSM gas lighting, or just plain laziness are to blame. I'm sure there's a few people out there who vote D or R out of principle, but I suspect that's a very low number.
I'm starting a movement to Vote No for President, in the hope that if a majority votes No, we get a do-over in which the leading two candidates are banished to Devil's Island and we get to re-vote.
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Even Mencken would not believe how much stupid democracy has generated.
"Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."
H. L. Mencken
“Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.”
― H.L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy: A New Edition
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
“Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.”
― H.L. Mencken, A Little Book In C Major
Didn't he also call Democracy the rule of jackals over jackasses? Or was that someone else. 🙂
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
― H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe
Democracy is now perfected.
Now buy some popcorn and ask those voters to define 'disaster' or 'step forward' and enjoy the show. Until that happens the only 'disaster' around here is this article. PS: Voters think Trump would be a triumph or step forward, his 43% to Biden's 33% so clearly they think Biden is on par with the Titanic.
they think Biden is on par with the Titanic.
Wasn't Biden on the Titanic?
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks he was.
He saved the ship from Corn-Pop!
he identified as a dylan mulvaney like young girl to get on a life raft
His son Beau died tragically serving his country aboard the Titantic when it was viciously sunk by the dastardly Germans aboard the U-20 and its commander Kapitänleutnant Walther Schwieger.
Biden saved the Titanic! He says so!
He was, and he saved countless lives that night by handing out lifejackets and blankets. He rowed a lifeboat full of people to Halifax, NS and received the plaudits of the multitude (as much of a multitude as Halifax could muster.) He then took Amtrak to Washington and was at his Senate desk Monday morning, fresh as a daisy.
At least, that's the way I heard it.
And Trump has an 11 point lead in the disaster/setback question. These are significant numbers in a one on one contest but Tuccille frames the candidates as somehow equivalent. Of course he's right that viable third party options would be a threat to the uniparty but we haven't seen that since Ross Perot and it's much less likely to happen any time soon. What we have now are the Libertarians and the Greens who essentially cancel each other out on policy issues.
A viable third party candidate is more likely now, and more likely to succeed. A dozen or so billionaires are household names, and could self-fund ballot access.
If DeSantis manages to win the primary, I think we’ll see Trump go independent and split the conservative vote.
Normally, I’d say that’s a BIG if, but there’s always the potentiality of “fortification”.
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Teedy Rosenfeld and George Wallace did exactly that. The one got Manifesto Plank 2 into the Constitution, the other convinced the Klan to vote Republican.
Even though he knows that'd likely hand the election to Biden I'd be willing to bet he'd do it anyway...his ego is so enormous though that there's no way he'd accept anything other than a landslide victory as a valid election ????
What would really be different about any other candidate?
I think your point should be well taken. Candidates are really avatars for the parties positions. And so, it seem unlikely a different candidate would be much different.
They wouldn't be 80 years old and mentally unstable for starters.
"It would take at least five parties to capture the ideological aspirations of Americans," researchers noted for the Voter Study Group in 2018.
This is true since "Republican" and Democratic" don't have any intrinsic meaning.
Four party ideologies:
Christo-Fascist/Fundie-Nut/Aborto-Freak
Secular/Libertarian (minimum government - no fucking religion!)
Blue Collar/Labor/wealth redistribution
Progressive/Woke
Don't need a fifth.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You’re a Soros worshipping pedophile.
A brief but accurate description.
2 of 4 horsemen.
Citizen of Iowa. Not if the United States. I need to work on seceding. Seems to be one thing Lincoln was wrong on.
I think at heart the majority of Americans are centrists. Some bending to center left while other to center right. In most cases, people tend to vote for the center-most candidate and it is likely no different in 2024. President Biden can make a good case for being in the center. I think that left leaning Democrats are learning their lessons and the old "they both the same" menatlity is giving way to the practical. They can gripe about President Biden now, but they know they will have to back him come election day.
Any Republican candidate will likely have to move back to the center after nomination. The question is will the Republican nominee be too far out to get back to some center most position in time.
What case could FJB make for being in the center?
I don't have to make the case, it's pretty plain for those looking with an open mind. The fact is I don't think you could describe the center because you only see right and left.
So the race baiting, nuclear brinksman , who routinely tries to rule by EO, and supports a green leap forward that will destroy civilizations ability to feed or house itself has a good case for being the center?
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No, restoring the dignity of the Presidency, passing bipartisan legislation, working with state governors when disaster strikes, building a coalition of nations to oppose Russian's invasion of Ukraine, these are all marks of a moderate and center oriented President.
The extremes determine the center.
"President Biden can make a good case for being in the center."
Well sure if an openly corrupt authoritarian government fits your definition of the center.
and if you ignore that 'the center' has been redefined by all the captured cultural institutions [govt, education , media, journalism, science...yada yada] as anything left of Ernesto "Che" Guevara
That should be: Ernesto “Che”, child-murderer, Guevara
No it is not the definition of the center, and that is why the American people voted out the former administration and choice the center candidate.
I think they’re “centrists” only if examined by a poly-sci’s perspective where they get asked yes/no questions about specific issues of the pollster’s choice. In reality if you just gave respondents some liquor and reason to sit down and talk about their public policy interests, they’d be all over the map, including issues the examiner would never have thought of, and maybe not even think of as “issues”. Their summed vectors even as to those points that could be quantified and set into opposition would wind up in the center, yeah, but with very little ballast keeping it from veering in a great many different directions. Most wouldn’t fit anything you’d recognize as an ideology.
At least the “typology” cluster analysis that’d been in use the past 40 years by the Times-Mirror survey of the American electorate, and then whoever took over from them, has a better chance of capturing the situation than people who’d like to look at everything on a libertarian-authoritarian axis, or any other axis or set of axes. Cultural-sociologic connections need to be taken into account because that’s part of how/why the types cluster.
%50+ voters vote for one party. It's a disaster. So next election %50+ voters vote for the other party, but with a stronger candidate. It's a disaster. So next election %50+ voters vote for the other party, but with a strong man with a nicer haircut. It's a disaster. So next election %50+ voters vote for the other party, but with a serious and gravitas laden candidate. It's a disaster. So next election %50+ voters vote for the other party, but with a total joker. It's a disaster. So next election %50+ voters vote for the other party, but with a complete maroon.
It's like there's a pattern going on or something. But no matter what, no one will admit there's a problem with the system. the problem is always and everywhere "the other party".
And then there are the TDS-addled shits who vote for a party instead of actions and results, TDS-addled shit.
The error is in "the other," as if there are only two, as endpoints of a one-dementional line segment. This is like a painter calculating how many feet of paint (not square feet, not gallons) it takes to cover a wall.
New voting method:
Three candidates on final ballot.
Each voter gets to vote AGAINST one candidate.
Candidate with fewest votes wins.
That's how Biden got elected. People voted AGAINST Trump.
That is pretty much the 2020 election. The dominate issue was to fire Trump.
For the voters or for the media and the people actually in control?
For the voters.
No pussy, ballot harvesting derived from illegal 11th hour court decisions and voter fraud voted for Biden.
Now crawl back under your rock and hide from me.
And yet all your moronic arguments evaporated into thin air, with less substance than the dye trickling down Giuliani’s forehead, when actually tried in court.
Did you know that Trump’s attorneys specifically denied they were asserting fraud in court? Or that Trump-appointed judges wrote opinions highly critical of the quality of evidence provided? Sure, the majority of cases were decided on standing, not on the merits – a well-known talking point – but enough were decided on the merits for claims of fraud to be legitimately dismissed. What happened with actual audits – do you think that Cyber Ninjas were in the tank for Biden? Why didn't all those states join Texas's absurd Supreme Court attempt, instead filing amicus briefs?
Of course there will always be those who will argue on different grounds, that the electoral process was illegally manipulated in some places – and indeed it was. But even they cannot point to major examples of ineligible voters actually voting, or outright fraud in counting votes occurring – and AFAIC if as we know far more votes by US citizens were cast for Biden than for Trump, then that in some places processes were modified in the light of COVID to permit the exercise of the most fundamental constitutional right of all, then suck it up and stop whingeing. Find a candidate who appeals to the majority of voters, don’t try to stop citizens voting.
Well said. Probably a wasted effort, but again well said.
I don’t care what Trump’s lawyers asserted or not, you pedophilic neo Marxist faggot rotting pile of cuntshit. It was a bullshit election, with lefty of judicial decisions blatantly illegal on their face. This has all been litigated to death hear, and you’ve been proven a lying piece of shit every time you ducking ‘title bitch.
You’re a lying child rapist Marxist, and 2020 was a sham election. Case closed.
P.S. you should commit suicide. So do it.
If we were a rational species, and we knew our votes were meaningless, and we knew we had no influence in D.C., then we wouldn't be so polarized. We'd not expend the energy. So why do we?
We are like the Portland Subaru driver with a bunch of hopeless causes stickered to their hatch. Deep down we know we have no voice, so we speak-up in the only avenue left to us. Papering the innanets with our sad, irrelevant, opinions. Screaming our positions in empty chat rooms, and yawping like gibbons in the threaded jungles of comment sections.
We think we are Richard Saunders, but we are really Marion Crane.
And then we can't back up without hitting something.
The revolution can’t come too soon.
“ Americans Fear 'Disaster' From Both Biden and Trump -
Voters deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess.”
This appears to be a tautology, but only because the US elects their leaders.
>>the US elects their leaders.
questionable.
Well, on alternate would be a guy so authoritarian, he'd ban anyone from forcing you to take an experimental vaccine, or wear a magic ring on your finger to keep tigers away. That's the kind of brute-strong-man authoritarianism I just can't stomach.
Somebody like that might even cut taxes or limit some of the EPA's authority! Disaster to TDS-addled shits like Tuccille!
lol nobody fears disaster from T
>>Voters deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess.
the fortified voters or the rest of us chumps?
No, some people do fear disaster. They're in the same quarter as the song that goes, "Women of the world, take over...because if we don't, the world will come to an end...and we haven't got long." And that was 40 years ago.
some fish need bicycles.
Trump would be a disaster for the people who want to continue the democrat party fascist march thru our freedoms... metastasizing in the government agencies, govt - public companies like google, facebook et al ... etc
that those sociopath assholes fear T is a selling point.
Of course, the only disaster during Trump's presidency was COVID and that was hardly his disaster. Almost seemingly manufactured like much of the other outrage during his presidency...like BLM riots. Biden owns the disaster that is playing out now and has/gives no excuses...just lies that everything is going great (for the big guy).
Disasters are rarely the President's own fault, what they get credit or blame for is their reaction to the crisis/disaster and that was why Trump was shown the door.
And the disaster of more than 76 billion dollars of American taxpayers money and materiel being siphoned off to a former Soviet vassal state full of neo-nazis where his son was once paid millions of dollars for a job for which he was not remotely qualified just to piss off a nuclear state that no longer qualifies as a superpower is somehow not Biden's fault.
So many horrible things are completely Biden’s fault now. Along with his handlers, as he is senile and stupid.
Senile and stupid, but he got a pretty good deal on the debt ceiling. Did he not?
TDS-addled shits deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess.
Fixed.
"Voters deserve much of the blame for this unnecessary mess."
No, we really don't.
Well; Unless there is voter fraud - the people chose to elect treasonous politicians who cared more about 'socialist' [WE] mob rules than the US Constitution and their oath of office.
So; yeah. If there wasn't voter fraud it really is the voters electing Al'Capone, Mao, Stalan, Hitler type of people to take the reigns of the nation. For F'Sakes Bernie is a proud treasonous traitor and he's STILL getting elected.
"it really is the voters electing Al’Capone, Mao, Stalan, Hitler type of people to take the reigns of the nation."
I'm more in the "duopoly forces the scum to the top and voters have little recourse but to vote for shitty candidates" school.
So don't vote for them. Stop watching the non-binding popularity polls and vote for the candidate you think would make the best president. Show up at the primaries and stop the party fringes from choosing the nominees.
Iron-Clad truth; The voters were DUPED by Democratic [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] who sold them a USSA 'socialism' and burned their (The Peoples) Supreme Law (US Constitution) OVER their government. Now they live with a monarchy of tyrannical leaders with no law above themselves.
And even to the day; most voters and politicians are still duped-stupid into praising "our democracy" in the USA? (No; it's the USSA democracy) instead of correctly addressing the *REAL* USA which isn't a "democracy" at all; but a Constitutional Republic.
I consider the stupidity of the electorate to be pretty well established; though it usually plays a "gorilla in the room" role. It's nice to see a writer mention it.
If people were more rational and didn’t wallow in their ignorance then there wouldn’t be Marxists in government.
As if I have any influence on who gets to run for President... I've pissed away plenty of votes on third party candidates over many years. Never felt like I had any say on who ran, who got elected, or why we are in the current state we are in. It's all controlled by the 2 party machine and the media, period.
Like your vote for "the 2 party machine" matters either...
Unfortunately, the Libertarian Party is heading towards its own Mises-Trainwreck, and will nominate some inexperienced bomb-throwing blowhard who will lose us votes. The answer to our last mistake (Silent Jo the Librarian) is not to veer into the opposite ditch!
The LP suffered the same Anschluss the Democrats woke up to in Louisiana on 04JAN1875. Five disputed statehouse seats were on the agenda. After rollcall a White League Klansman offered a hatful of motions the Dems seconded and approved by acclamation. That Ku-kluxer had himself sworn in as Speaker and the Dems filled all five disputed seats with white supremacists. Republicans cried to the Governor who sent troops to expel the racial collectivist interlopers. The entire Dem/Klan contingent then marched out so no quorum could set things right. General Phil Sheridan then offered Prez Grant his services to arrest and hang the Dems. Except for this last part the scene was replayed by the Alabama Von Mises anarcho-bigots to Anschluss the LP. Yes, I blogged this with references yesterday.
Wow. Thanks for making it so easy to decide who to place on Mute.
Good thing we have third party and don't have to vote saggy old sacks. I'm voting Chase Oliver if he becomes nominee
Bottom line: in the 2016 federal election single votes sold for these donation prices:
Grabber Of Pussy: $7
East German Dem: $12
Libertarian: $3
Libertarian votes clearly cost half or 1/4 the going rate for looter votes; clearly a bargain. Since Libertarian votes pack on average 20x the equivalent law-changing clout of votes wasted on either half of the looter Kleptocracy. Clout per dollar for LP candidates cost about 15¢ per unit. Yes I am blogging these calculations.
You really have nothing coherent or of value to say, ever.
Did you know that?
How can voters be held responsible for the Byzantine, Kafkaesque inner workings of party magic that gave us Joe Biden (and Madame Word Salad as VP) instead of, say, Tulsi Gabbard? Imagine if the election reform bill introduced by Tulsi had been passed.
Was that a John Lennon song?
Oh Yoko?
Disaster is assured with Biden, and is only a possibility with Trump, but it is also a possibility with anyone else to, due to the Biden disasters this term. Biden's terrible legacy will last for decades.
Elections exist so the people can blame "they" the politicians for problems instead of taking responsibility for their own votes.
What if they didn't vote for Biden or Trump, but a independent or third party candidate? Should they take the blame for their vote then too?
Maybe the real problem is poor candidates given to the people by the DNC and RNC. Maybe the problem is the press going after candidates with the silliness like asking Tim Scott if he is a virgin. What does that have to do with anything? The problem like that is you get narcissist or sociopaths as the only people running for office. No normal person wants to put up with that shit.
What if they didn't vote for Biden or Trump, but a independent or third party candidate? Should they take the blame for their vote then too?
Maybe the real problem is poor candidates given to the people by the DNC and RNC. Maybe the problem is the press going after candidates with the silliness like asking Tim Scott if he is a virgin. What does that have to do with anything? The problem like that is you get narcissist or sociopaths as the only people running for office. No normal person wants to put up with that shit.
Will Reason ever print and article critical of Biden without bringing up Trump? I don't think they are capable of that.
I fear more of an arepa than both of them.
Democrats fear Trump will get elected again, fix the countries problems and show how stupid, insane, and destructive Biden's and the Democrat's polices have been.
MADNESS!
Nope. Only the voters who voted Democratic or Republican or didn’t vote.