Brickbat: Good Golly!

In Essex, England, a half dozen police officers raided a pub and seized 15 golly dolls. The golly, also known as golliwog, is a cartoon character created in the 19th century based on blackface minstrel characters. The character was once widely used in advertising, and the dolls were popular children's toys but are now seen as racially offensive. The police department said a customer had complained about the dolls and they are investigating a possible hate crime.

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[Jerryskids]

Golliwogs used to represent blackface minstrels, now they represent Paki immigrants. Nothing could be worse than disrespecting Muslims.

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[Mickey Rat]

Offensive representations of Pakistanis are a hate crime that must be punished. Pakistanis making sex slaves out of white schoolgirls because that is what they deserve, that must be swept under the rug, lest it cause racial and cultural animosities.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

A bit like recognizing that COVID emanated from the lab in Wuhan…but somehow it was better if we were told it came from a wet market where people were eating bats and pangolins…wait, wait, it was those Raccoon Dogs!

[Adans smith]

Just tell them the dolls are trans and all will be forgiven.

[SQRLSY One]

Has anyone even bothered to ASK the Golliwogs what they identify as?!?! Sheesh!!!!

[mad.casual]

They’re Justin Trudeau dolls, I swear!

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Were they wearing turbans?

[Davedave]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/13/essex-police-investigating-golliwog-pub-display-examine-landlord-lynching-post

This is an open and shut case. The landlord is a neo-Nazi, and he has openly stated the intent is to offend.

[Adans smith]

So,being offended shouldn’t be a crime.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

I agree. The pub landlords are clearly bigoted arseholes, but that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) a police matter. The only thing better about the po-po in the UK is they are less likely to shoot you.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Being offensive IS an offense: the British constable need to “check your thinking”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/22/is-being-offensive-an-offence/

[InsaneTrollLogic]

So, that justifies this? Nice to know that you’re all for censoring speech there, Dumbdumb.

[Davedave]

It’s not speech, it’s action. It’s a hate crime, and only because the idiot was dumb enough to admit to motive. Otherwise, not a crime, and the only remedy would be what is in fact already on the way to happening, which is that the pub shuts down due to lack of business as decent people boycott it.

[Spiritus Mundi]

Words are violence, dolls are action. We are going to need stronger meds for you loons.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Tell you what DD; don’t go where you don’t like to go, get yourself a dirty thirty of Bud light and drink it all while soaking in your tub of rose petals amidst a bevy of candles.

I honestly do not care; but do not fucking tell me where to go, what to do, or how I should think or feel about something. That is my operational definition of “libertarian.”

[Mother's Lament]

It’s not a hate crime you disingenuous weasel.

As for your fucking link it’s as weasely as you are:

“Ryley uploaded a picture of golly dolls hanging from his bar with the comment “We have our golliwogs, yaay.” Commenting on the post his wife, Benice Ryley, asked: “Are you sure this is legal. lol.”
The landlord replied: “They used to hang them in Mississippi years ago.”

“In July last year he complained about the prospect of a Muslim prime minister”

In May 2021 Ryley complained about media coverage of the US police murder of George Floyd, writing: “Why are MSM dragging up George Floyd a year after he died? What about our own ppl who have died, Lee Rigby, why does he not get mentioned. Sorry, I forgot, he was white. That don’t count.”

That’s it folks, that’s ShrikeShrike’s “RACISM”.

[Jerryskids]

I’ve read the linked article twice and I still don’t see a reference to neo-Nazism or to the landlord admitting his intent is to offend. (Of course, they did refer to his being a ‘right-wing extremist’ but if you understand journalism-speak that just means he’s somewhat to the right of Karl Marx. Mitt Romney and John McCain were both right-wing extremists too,)

[Davedave]

I don’t know if that article reports specifically on him being a neo-Nazi. Other pieces have. It certainly reports multiple full-on far right statements he’s made, not that you would accept that obvious truth, since you’re one of his lot.

“John McCain”

You’re not just a traitor, you’re excrement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain

[mad.casual]

So you sought out and consumed articles calling him a neo-Nazi so that you could intentionally refer to him as a neo-Nazi. Sounds pretty open-and-shut “active perpetration of a hate crime” to me.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Another miserable little bitch, who is very brave behind its monitor and keyboard.

[Mother's Lament]

Another Shrike sockpuppet peddling lies. Quelle surprise.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The limeys have solved all other crime.

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[flag58]

In the US being offensive is not a crime.
In the UK not so much.

[Davedave]

It’s also a crime in the US. There are, and always have been, limits on the freedom of speech and action.

[Rossami]

No, it’s not. The mere fact that you’re still walking around and allowed to post your drivel is all the evidence anyone needs that being offensive is not a crime in the US.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Sure, roll out the trope of “you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater.”

That was penned by Oliver Wendall Holmes, in the case of US vs Schneck in 1919, as a justification to restrict his ability to hand out anti war leaflets during WWI.

It was a justification for suppression then, and hasn’t changed since.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/shouting-fire-crowded-theater-speech-regulation/621151/

[Idaho Bob]

In March 2016, in a Facebook post still online, Ryley uploaded a picture of golly dolls hanging from his bar with the comment “We have our golliwogs, yaay.” Commenting on the post his wife, Benice Ryley, asked: “Are you sure this is legal. lol.”

In July last year he complained about the prospect of a Muslim prime minister, in an apparent mistaken reference to Rishi Sunak, who is a Hindu.

Somebody, please show me the crime committed. Unless hanging dolls and mis-religioning are crimes that have actual victims.

[ObviouslyNotSpam]

In case you mean the statute the police were likely investigating when they seized the dolls from the pub, it may have been this one:

“Incitement to Racial Hatred – Part III Public Order Act 1986
For an offence to be committed under any of these sections of the Public Order Act 1986, there has to be one of the acts described therein: it has to be “threatening, abusive or insulting”, and it has to be intended to or likely in all the circumstances to stir up racial hatred.”

However, unless they charge someone, we’ll never know.

[Dillinger]

there are no hate crimes only crimes.

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[Unicorn Abattoir]

The golly, also known as golliwog

Fun fact – Before Creedence Clearwater Revival, John Fogerty was in the Golliwogs.

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