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Election 2024

Nikki Haley's Presidential Bid Is an Unappealing Mix of MAGA and RINO

Is she an heir to Trump's throne? Is she a second coming for the pre-Trump Republican establishment? She doesn't even seem to know.

Eric Boehm | 2.14.2023 5:30 PM

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Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley campaigns for Georgia Republican candidate for U.S. Senate Hershel Walker in December 2022. | Robin Rayne/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom
Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley campaigns for Georgia Republican candidate for U.S. Senate Hershel Walker in December 2022. (Robin Rayne/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom)

Urging Americans to embrace "a new generation of leadership," former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley announced her candidacy for president in a campaign ad released online Tuesday. She is the first Republican to officially challenge former President Donald Trump for the 2024 GOP nomination.

Haley, 51, is more than a quarter century younger than Trump and President Joe Biden, so it makes sense to stress her relative youthfulness in a campaign that's likely to represent a long-overdue conversation about whether the country would benefit from having some younger people in charge. And she's piled up an impressive list of accomplishments during a political career that began by dethroning a 30-year incumbent member of the South Carolina state House in 2004. Haley was the first woman and the first Indian American elected as governor of South Carolina, an important and early primary state. She was America's ambassador to the United Nations for two years during the Trump administration. As such, she can arguably lay claim to having more experience across both domestic and foreign policy than possibly any other prospective candidate in the 2024 GOP field.

And yet, despite all the positives in terms of identity, politics, and career experience that would seem to make Haley a serious contender for the White House, her announcement on Tuesday was met by something like a collective shrug.

Take, for example, Sen. Mike Rounds' (R–S.D.) reaction. "Former governors can do a great job as president… I think Nikki is very, very capable," he told CNN. But when asked if he'd support her over Trump, Rounds immediately backed away from the idea. "I would just simply say that we're going to have other people getting into the race," he said, before mentioning another South Carolinian, Sen. Tim Scott, who he'd rather see in the race.

GOP Sen. Mike Rounds on Nikki Haley: "Former governors can do a great job as president. Ronald Reagan was a former governor. I think Nikki is very, very capable." Asked if he'd support her over Trump, "I would simply say we are going to have other people entering the race." pic.twitter.com/OIqJNG4XVP

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) February 14, 2023

Yikes.

How to explain the lack of enthusiasm for Haley's bid? Perhaps the answer is that she's just come along a decade too late. "Haley would be the frontrunner in a Republican party that no longer exists," writes Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark and a longtime GOP political consultant.

"While many Republican voters may be moving off Trump the man, the forces that he unleashed within the party—economic populism, isolationist foreign policy, election denialism, and above all, an unapologetic and vulgar focus on fighting culture war issues—remain incredibly popular with GOP voters," writes Longwell.

That's one possible explanation. But the Never Trumpers and the neocons who imagine that Haley would be a GOP primary favorite in the days before Trump are probably deluding themselves at least a little. Trump's rise, after all, was powered by a rejection of that very same Republican establishment by the party's own voters.

Still, there's no doubt that what it means to be a serious Republican presidential contender has changed in the past few years. And until the Republican Party demonstrates an ability to yank itself out of Trump's shadow, every prospective presidential candidate will be judged in part on how they handled the Trump years. That is perhaps somewhat unfair—it automatically centers Trump and forces his challengers to fight for space within his gravitational field. But it's also a more useful way of understanding candidates than judging what they may or may not have been a decade ago, in a political party that effectively no longer exists.

On this point, too, Haley faces some problems. She's not a believable heir to the Trump political movement but has deliberately tacked in that direction anyway.

That decision shows up in both personality and policy. In the announcement video posted Tuesday, Haley made an awkward pitch to the more pugilistic, Trumpian side of the GOP. "I don't put up with bullies. And when you kick back, it hurts them more if you're wearing heels," she said.

Trump has a gift for being faux low-brow in a way that's often funny even when it's obviously fake, but not everyone can pull it off. Most politicians shouldn't even try. Haley ran a state government for eight years and has been an ambassador to the United Nations. She's not literally kicking her political opponents. And if she were, isn't that kind of worse?

Those kinds of mixed signals surround Haley's candidacy. In 2021, Haley said she wouldn't run against Trump if he sought another term in 2024. Now, she's literally the first challenger out of the gate. She stepped away from the Trump administration in 2018 and correctly criticized the former president's handling of the aftermath of the 2020 election, but she's been careful to defend the bulk of the Trump years.

"Most of Mr. Trump's major policies were outstanding and made America stronger, safer, and more prosperous," she wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed in February 2021. "I will gladly defend the bulk of the Trump record and his determination to shake up the corrupt status quo in Washington."

When she has broken with Trump, it hasn't always made much sense. She resigned from Boeing's board of directors in 2020 after the company lobbied for a federal bailout that Trump supported. "I cannot support a move to lean on the federal government for a stimulus or bailout that prioritizes our company over others and relies on taxpayers to guarantee our financial position," she wrote in the resignation letter. That's good! But in 2013, as governor, she signed a bill giving Boeing a $120 million subsidy aimed at expanding its South Carolina manufacturing facilities. That's…not so good.

As Reason's Scott Shackford noted earlier this month, she's also fallen into the same populist logical fallacy as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by voicing support for school choice while calling for bans on what can be taught in some schools, including critical race theory. She's also copied Trump's protectionist economic policies to some extent, advocating for the U.S. to engage in less trade with China.

Haley's predicament, then, is that she's alienated what's left of the pre-Trump Republican establishment by embracing some of the personality and policies of her former boss. But she's been unwilling to fully commit to a Trumpian rebranding in the same way that DeSantis has. That leaves her stuck somewhere in the middle—not another Liz Cheney but a long way from being another Margorie Taylor Greene.

That might not be a terrible spot if there was some unifying principle or tangible reason for her candidacy. So far, she hasn't articulated one.

So Haley is stuck talking about the need for a "new generation of leadership." That's something the country needs, to be sure, but everything else about Haley suggests that as president she'd simply land somewhere between the failed Republican policies that preceded Trump and the failed policies that he enacted.

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  1. InsaneTrollLogic   2 years ago

    Mostly blah, blah, blah, something, something while trowing poop everywhere possible such as on DeSantis and quoting the Bullshit..er..Bullwark. All kind of pointless as Boehm "reluctantly" voted for Biden.

    Look, Haley isn't a great candidate, and I doubt she'll get anywhere in the 2024 primary season. It's also only February 2023, and we still have a long ways to go yet before New Hampshire.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Like I've pointed out before, Haley's an empty suit whose track record shows that she'll bend with wherever she thinks the wind is blowing. The leftist media will still call her Literally Hitler anyway if she gets the nomination; she's probably running for VP, not President, and her biggest appeal in that regard is that the NeverTrumpers will be a lot more likely to vote for whichever ticket she's attached to.

      1. Minadin   2 years ago

        But, she also does check a number of critical intersectional boxes.

        Though, the sort of people / voters who care about intersectional boxes are the same ones who will be screaming 'Literally Hitler'.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          The boxes only matter when it's a leftist. The neocons will pathetically go, "See? She's all these things, she's qualified!" and then remain ever baffled as to why they still aren't included in the club.

        2. NoVaNick   2 years ago

          South Asians (Indians) were considered White until 1980, and because they have been educationally and economically successful, are now White-adjacent, so Haley might as well be Wonder Bread White as far as leftists are concerned. The biggest strike against her for them is that she is an attractive woman for a white guy like me-not overweight and covered with tattoos.

          1. NoVaNick   2 years ago

            Appearing cis--gendered and lack of tattoos probably makes her also seem old.

            1. Flaco   2 years ago

              That's very true, but also sad

          2. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

            She converted to the Methodist church. Once she had her first Jell-o salad with Cool Whip and canned pineapple, she automatically became 100% white.

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              Jell-o salad with Cool Whip and canned pineapple

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            2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

              You got a problem with Cool hWhip?

            3. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

              That's what's known as Watergate Salad and is not confined to Methodism or any ethnicity.

              My Grandma said she loved it and didn't care how sneaky it sounded.
              🙂

    2. Johnathan Galt   2 years ago

      I agree she won't get anywhere. I disagree that it being only February 2023 has anything to do with it.

  2. Adans smith   2 years ago

    Haley yes I would.

    1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

      I assume you mean embrace, not necessarily vote?

      1. Adans smith   2 years ago

        Well, that's one way to put it.

        1. Truthteller1   2 years ago

          Move the gd reply button

    2. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

      Very would-able.

      1. TheReEncogitationer   2 years ago

        Sadly, here's a real dick-dropper about Darling Nikki. She wants to be like John Hagee when she grows up:

        Controversial Pastor Opens Nikki Haley’s First Presidential Campaign Rally
        Haley praised televangelist and pastor John Hagee, who has a history of making remarks denounced as anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic and anti-LGBT
        By Claire Hansen
        Feb. 15, 2023
        https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-02-15/controversial-pastor-opens-nikki-haleys-first-presidential-campaign-rally

  3. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

    Nikki Haley strongest point maybe her appeal to have a new generation of leaders. Her statement on looking to our similarities rather than differences goes out the window as she talks culture wars. And President Biden has not failed, rather he is successful in Presidential terms. So, she needs to talk not about his failures, but rather what she would do that is better. Mixing MAGA and Classic GOP will not work, pick a lane and work it. I think 2024 will be a tough year for the Republicans to win the Presidency, so candidates should be building their brand for 2028.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      And President Biden has not failed, rather he is successful in Presidential terms.

      His own party doesn't even want him running again, what are you smoking?

      1. Longtobefree   2 years ago

        The democrats want to destroy America, and he is doing that just fine.

      2. Roberta   2 years ago

        And yet look at the recent upward trend in his approval/disapproval percentage. I can't figure these things. He hit bottom this past summer; what's he done since then?

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 years ago

          Tried to give a lot more free shit to people.

      3. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago (edited)

        Mod is not allowed to call Biden a failure. His masters hath decreed it.

      4. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

        It is true that most people want a younger candidate in 2024, but President Biden is an incumbent, he has a been successful, and people will fall in line when he is the nominee.

        The Republicans have an old candidate, who lost in 2020, but will not step out of the way for another. Trump as the nominee cannot win and he will not support another nominee. It is a no-win scenario for the GOP.

        1. Zeb   2 years ago

          Successful in what sense? What has he succeeded at?

          1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

            Further weakening America and fanning the flames of civil war. It's a popular program.

            1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

              Domt forget sending us headlong into WW3. That’s a real winner.

          2. BigT   2 years ago

            Inflation's up. Masking continues. War is up. Illegal immigration is way, way up. Collusion with big tech is up. Chinese balloons are up as long as they need to be up to complete their mission. Deficit is up. Debt is up.

            Things are looking up under Demented Joe.

      5. mgm5790   2 years ago

        Exactly what I was thinking. In what way can Biden be said to be a successful president? Who can be said to be better off because he is president, even relative to the challenges he has had? He has been a complete failure in almost every way. Yeah if you are an illegal immigrant, a Ukrainian politician, a person on unemployment-- maybe you are doing better. If you are an American who works, how has Biden been successful? Definitely smoking crack. So probably friends with Hunter.

        1. Moderation4ever   2 years ago

          Midterms elections are generally considered a referendum on the President and his party. In 2020, the Republicans did poorly. The red wave failed to develop and ended in a red trickle. President Biden is not a weak as you and other Republicans want to believe. So, my point is that attacking President Biden will not be as effective as presenting a good agenda. This is the challenge for Republican Presidential candidates.

          1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            Correlation isn’t always causation. Biden is a failure. An abject failure.

          2. BigT   2 years ago

            The midterms were anomalous this year due to the Trump effect. His chosen candidates were largely abject failures. Even J D Vance, who won, did 20 points worse than the vanilla Ohio Gov. DeWine.

            I hope the Donkeys keep thinking like that. DeSantis will be the next prez.

        2. Truthteller1   2 years ago

          Move the reply button

    2. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      "Her statement on looking to our similarities rather than differences goes out the window as she talks culture wars."

      Based on the pernicious notion that the only "culture warriors" are those with the temerity to resist.

      1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago (edited)

        Don’t know if you’ve ever studied martial arts such as judo or aikido, contemplated the yin-yang symbol, or thought about the aphorism, “It takes two to tango.”

        The culture wars doesn’t have one side as the aggressors and the other as the resistance. That’s now how a do-dependent power struggle works.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          Nonsense. Almost all human conflict is between an aggressor and a victim. Two equals in a "tango" is the exception.

        2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

          Your entire socio political philosophy and that of your party, is that of victim and oppressor.

        3. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Is anyone surprised that Mike said something so ridiculous.

    3. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

      "And President Biden has not failed, rather he is successful in Presidential terms."

      This is sarcasm, right?

  4. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    Wake me up when she starts talking about eliminating cabinet level bureaucracies.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      Department of Redundancy Department must go.

  5. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

    The kindest interpretation is she's running to be somebody's VP pick.

    The cynical interpretation is she's yet another example of Republicans being dumb enough to do exactly what Democrats want them to do: split the "not Trump" vote and hand the nomination to the guy who already lost to Biden once.

    1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      No one was going to beat Biden. Not with all the phony votes, and bullshit illegal 11th hour court decision on swing states.

      1. Nardz   2 years ago

        Now, now, be nice- Sandra's entire identity is wrapped up in the belief that Biden was legitimately the most popular presidential candidate ever

        1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago (edited)

          Even without a shred of proof, which of course there is lots, it is absurd on it’s face that a party who is against being controlled by old, white, Christian, heterosexual men, elected an old, white, Christian, heterosexual man by record margins. Even eclipsing the historic turnout for the Lightbringer.

          Especially when he hid in his basement for the entire campaign.

          1. windycityattorney   2 years ago

            Sometimes people win NOT by having people enthusiastically support them. They just need to get enough of the party votes (party line D voters of which there are many). BUT THEN they need enough people to vote against the 'other guy.' That is, not voting 'for' Biden per se, but simply against Trump and they would have voted for anybody on the other side who simply fit the criteria: not Trump??

            Is it not so hard to believe that a lot of people did the latter and enough people did the former for the results to be what they were? There is evidence that Trump is not as popular as he once was (see Midterm elections). See also modern polls where among the registered GOP voter base Desantis has climbed neck and neck and in some polls eclipses Trump.

            Trump is a polarizing figure. He also has some pretty obvious psychological issues (what some professionals call narcissistic personality disorder) and frankly, a lot of times, speaks straight out of his ass on topics like he is an expert [nobody knows more about ....than me] and in reality sounds like a complete idiot. His company also has been found guilty of fraud since his last election loss along with a host of other embarrassing court losses and sanctions for frivolous revenge lawsuits against his political enemies. His time in the sun has come and gone and his giant sore loser cry baby ego will likely screw the GOP in the 2024 presidential elections. That's a fact, Jack! /Biden

  6. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

    “a long-overdue conversation about whether the country would benefit from having some younger people in charge”

    My god, yes! I mean not necessarily Haley, but let’s dump all the doddering old people!

    1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      So then who is the pick for your democrats?

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        Whoever they tell him to support.

    2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      I voted for Gary Johnson.

  7. Spiritus Mundi   2 years ago

    support for school choice while calling for bans on what can be taught in some schools, including critical race theory.

    Whoa, hold your horses. Nobody is teaching CRT in schools. Where did you hear such obvious misinformation?

    1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

      The culture warriors freely admit they're willing to lie and mislead, labeling anything they don't like as "CRT". They're all about parental choice... right up until parents make choices they don't like.

      1. Roberta   2 years ago

        No parent made that choice.

        1. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

          No sane parent (black or white) would make that choice. CRT is poison (for everyone).

          1. BigT   2 years ago

            Teaching racism is likely to be found illegal if approached properly.

      2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Look, we know you want it make it easier to rape children, so just stop with your lying Pedo democrat shit, ok?

      3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        "labeling anything they don’t like as “CRT”

        So what do you call CRT, Shrike?
        Because the stuff Nikole Hannah-Jones and Ibram X. Kendi are peddling sounds a lot like warmed over Nazi racial theory with "Jew" scratched out and "Whitey" penciled in.

        1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          It came home to roost—the Nazis formulated their racial policies by crossing out "Negro" and penciling in "Jew" in American laws and theories.

      4. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

        How dare someone suggest banning teaching racial essentialist bigotry.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      They aren't teaching CRT. They are applying it to how they teach all subjects, which is much worse.

      1. Inquisitive Squirrel   2 years ago

        This right here is the real issue. The obfuscation of "we aren't teaching a college level subject to you 12 year olds" is impressive. It's like no, you're not teaching it, you are using it to teach.

  8. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

    If you want to be cynical, here's my take: she's running to be a spoiler for Trump. There are already some polls showing that a Trump vs. DeSantis head-to-head leaves DeSantis in the lead, but a Trump vs. DeSantis vs. Haley puts Trump into the lead (Haley pulls more support from likely DeSantis voters then she does from likely Trump voters). So in this take, she's not serious about running for president, she's serious about giving a helping hand to her old boss.

    But hey, it's early. This time next year we'll have a better idea.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      There's no way either her or Trump are that machiavellian; Trump's a blunt instrument with no subtlety whatsoever, and Haley's a cipher who's positioning herself as the person who can help deliver the neocon vote for whomever nominates her for VP. She doesn't have any more loyalty to Trump than Pence does.

      It's also WAY too early to predict how the race will play out. The game didn't truly change for the GOP in 2016 until Jeb stupidly threw his hat in the ring and Trump declared the very next day.

      1. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

        I know it's popular around here to assume politicians you don't like are idiots, but that's not a vice I've ever felt inclined towards.

        The polls say that Haley is a spoiler in Trumps favor. Haley knows this. Trump knows this (he's very interested in polls). There's no reason to assume they're unaware of this. And given that Trump has been attackign DeSantis, but not Haley, there is reason to believe he does not feel threatened by her.

        Besides, this isn't "Machiavellian", it's "Poly Sci 101". And we have good reason to believe the GOP isn't above doing this (see Ye's 2020 presidential run, which had high-end Republican backers). So even if you don't want to think Haley or Trump came up with the idea, that someone *else* did and pitched it to them isn't wild at all.

        1. Roberta   2 years ago

          It's so basic in nomination-race politics, there's a name for it: stalking horse.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

          I know it’s popular around here to assume politicians you don’t like are idiots, but that’s not a vice I’ve ever felt inclined towards.

          I didn't say they were dumb, I said they weren't that machiavellian, and everything up to this point in their political careers doesn't indicate otherwise.

          You're simply projecting your own cynicism and devious thinking here. You think they would do it, because it's what you would do.

        3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago (edited)

          Besides, this isn’t “Machiavellian”, it’s “Poly Sci 101”.

          That’s a distinction without a difference.

          And we have good reason to believe the GOP isn’t above doing this (see Ye’s 2020 presidential run, which had high-end Republican backers).

          LOL, if that's your example of a serious presidential run, the rest of your post can be summarily dismissed.

          1. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

            LOL, if that’s your example of a serious presidential run, the rest of your post can be summarily dismissed.

            Yeah, how dare I point out a recent case where the GOP establishment did exactly what I'm saying they might be doing.

        4. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

          Ah, but Orange Hitler HAS been attacking Nikkita, just not to the point of calling her a Latter-Day Jewess or Bolshie. If you're gonna obsess over looters throwing faeces at _each other_, it helps to pay attention.

      2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        There’s some logic to that. Trump will need to bring the never Trumoers back into the fold. Similar to Reagan making HW Bush has running mate in 1980.

  9. Bill Dalasio   2 years ago

    She's not literally kicking her political opponents. And if she were, isn't that kind of worse?

    You’re pretty young. So, I’ll clue you in, rather than assume you’re an utter imbecile or a hack. Politicians have talked about fighting for their agenda long before Donald Trump was a gleam in Fred’s eye.

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  10. Chumby   2 years ago

    Counted twenty-six (26) iterations of Trump (including variations).

    Two (2) DeSantis.

    One (1) Biden.

  11. Longtobefree   2 years ago

    "Nikki Haley's Presidential Bid Is an Unappealing Mix of MAGA and RINO"

    That is way better than the democrat mix of communism and fascism.

    1. BigT   2 years ago

      You mean the mix of racism and fascism. With a bit of sexism tossed in.

  12. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    "As Reason's Scott Shackford noted earlier this month, she's also fallen into the same populist logical fallacy as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by voicing support for school choice while calling for bans on what can be taught in some schools, including critical race theory."
    So if you support school choice you have to be cool with kids being taught to racists. I guess you also have to accept teenage girls getting hysterectomies and mastectomies if their middle school counselors think they should. And what about the MAPs? They don't get any respect. Shouldn't a balanced curriculum teach kids tolerance for these poor souls? To accept Shackford's claim that Haley's position is a logical fallacy I also have to accept that his position is logical. It just isn't.

    1. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      The reasonmag staff really need to go back (?) to college and take a class in rhetoric and logic. Shackford was wrong, and boehm is repeating the same ignorant fantasy. There is no logical fallacy between supporting school choice and supporting Florida law that does not permit racist bs, but leave it to reasonmag staff to claim there is.

    2. Zeb   2 years ago

      So if you support school choice you have to be cool with kids being taught to racists.

      I mean, sort of, no? At least tolerate it. If parents can send their kids to whatever school they choose, or homeschool, then that is definitely an option.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

        I think the context is public schools. Sure if somebody wants to have a racist private school or parents want to teach racist home school curriculum I'm cool with that.

  13. I, Woodchipper   2 years ago

    DeSantis is going to destroy the electoral college. it's going to be a bloodbath.

    Everything else is just misdirection. Haley will get nowhere.

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      DeSantis needs to win the nomination first. That's not a given.

      And no Republican has won a true Electoral College landslide since, what, 1988?

    2. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      No Republican will ever win the presidency again unless the US goes back to paper ballots, purple fingers and picture ID.

      1. Wizard4169   2 years ago

        New day, same old lies.

        1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

          You're not even trying, Shrike. Hope you didn't get fifty-cents for that.

        2. DesigNate   2 years ago

          Man I haven’t seen this tired ass handle in a while.

      2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        If elections mean nothing than there is no more rule of law and we should wipe out the democrats and take everything away from them. Their lies and scheming won’t protect them from that.

        1. Nardz   2 years ago

          Correct

    3. mgm5790   2 years ago

      I actually was looking at the map the other day. If he can get the nomination, I agree. At this point in time I think he would could see a larger EC victory than we have seen in quite a while. Some states could go red for the first time in decades like MN and VA. West coast would be blue, the North East, and then Illinois of course.

      1. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago

        You think Minnesota is less "blue" than IL? Let me tell you -- it isn't (sadly).

  14. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    "Haley would be the frontrunner in a Republican party that no longer exists," writes Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark and a longtime GOP political consultant."

    Remember twenty years ago when libertarian magazines didn't truck with war-mongering neocons and treat them as the voice of measured prudence?

    1. Sandra (formerly OBL)   2 years ago

      No, but I remember Reason's editor in chief used to work with the ultimate warmongering neocon Bill Kristol at The Weekly Standard. 😛

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        ...and The New York Times.

        sigh

    2. EscherEnigma   2 years ago

      No. Reason has their online archives going back well over twenty years ago, so with a little effort, you can correct your misguided memory too.

      1. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

        I looked. I don't recall the Reason of that period being much of a Bush booster.

    3. Cyto   2 years ago

      It is almost as if the last 6 weeks never happened, and we didn't know about the depth of disinformation campaigns out there.

    4. Hank Ferrous   2 years ago

      And I thought greenhut was the only one who had pieces in reason who had a fetish for the bulwark. Odd that that rag didn't make GDI's list, could it be they both hate conservatives?

  15. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   2 years ago

    Tucker Carlson has already declared her candidacy dead for removing Confederate statues while Governor of SC.

    Tucker speaks for the MAGA Neo-Nazi majority in the GOP.

    Obviously what DeSantis should do is replace all the Mickey Mouse statues in FL with Stonewall Jackson ones.

    1. Chumby   2 years ago

      You should replace your Mickey Mouse costume for prison stripes.

    2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      Hey Kiddie Raper, why don’t you go Kill yourself?

    3. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

      "Tucker speaks for the MAGA Neo-Nazi majority in the GOP."

      "LOOK MOM! I posted it again."

    4. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Funny to hear of that. When the NY vice nazis were burning books and pushing Comstockism, Louisiana white Dems murdered 70+ blacks at the Grant Parish courthouse. Republicans promptly declared the 13th and 14th Amendments worthless to free the white rioters, the Klan took over the South and a monument obelisk was raised to honor the lynch mob. That Confederate monument was still there last I checked, and Texas sends bounty hunters to enslave suspected pregnant women, 13A be damned! See Colfax Massacre.

  16. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

    I don't think she's running for 2024. She's keeping her name relevant for future races because she's out of the news right now. Announcing a presidential run and spending two years campaigning and fundraising for it allows her to establish herself and keep her name relevant. Maybe she's really focused on a future presidential bid, but she might be a better for Lindsey Graham's seat in the Senate in 26.

  17. Gaear Grimsrud   2 years ago

    Whadaya think this is? Martha's fucking vineyard?
    Canada Tells NYC To 'Immediately' Stop Sending Illegal Aliens
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/canada-tells-nyc-immediately-stop-sending-illegal-aliens

    1. A Thinking Mind   2 years ago

      I’m waiting on Reason to cover this waste of taxpayer funds, the way did with Abbot and DeSantis.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Hahahaha

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

      Refugees welcome (as long as they didn't come through the US first)!

    3. Mickey Rat   2 years ago

      So Canada is now refusing refugees?

      I am sure there is a wave of condemnation coming from the extreme pro-immigration press.

    4. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      Did Trudeau have a zoom call with Hochul and Adams while wearing blackface?

  18. Nardz   2 years ago

    https://twitter.com/RepErinHealy/status/1625219121687437312?t=OZdhXfxEzgMVIWQle6J5yQ&s=19

    Extremist group Family Heritage Alliance said this morning that the safest place for kids are in families that have a married mom and dad. What a dangerous and un-American belief.

    1. Tony   2 years ago

      What's the point? Do you silly fucks want the government to force people to get married? Forbid divorce? What is the next step after dropping the platitude?

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 years ago

        The point is that you silly fucks hate nuclear families.

        1. Tony   2 years ago

          The so-called nuclear family is an arbitrary and historically specific construction that may or may not have anything to do with being a healthy modern human.

          What it is, however, is what you're used to. You conservatives have one political focus: you can't handle any description of the world you didn't learn about as a young child. It's exhausting.

          Answer my question. What do you want the government to do to enforce your preferred family structure? If nothing, good, people can just be free to do what they want, and you can quit your bitching.

          1. Muzzled Woodchipper   2 years ago

            Stop attacking it as un-American and the bastion of white supremacy would be a good place to start.

          2. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

            It’s a statistical fact that children raised by a mother and father are more better off than in any other family structure. Kids raised by single mothers have the greatest risk. This isn’t an emotional judgement, just a verifiable mathematical fact.

            And no one is proposing a law. But you can’t imagine not having your beliefs imposed by force, so the concept is alien to you.

            1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

              And no one is proposing a law.

              But we need changes to laws to help reverse the denigration of fatherhood. Much of the destruction of the family was "imposed by force", through the social welfare system and the practices of "family" law.

      2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

        What is the next step

        As I've commented here often, we need to stop subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women.

      3. The Laissez-Ferret   2 years ago

        We could start by not paying people to keep producing babies and for creating incentives where they get more for not being married. The welfare state as it was constructed was the most destructive force to the American family ever created, which was exactly why it was built that way.

      4. DesigNate   2 years ago

        Tony always sees issues as nails and the government is the hammer he would use to bash our heads in. Like most leftist, he assumes the same of everyone else.

  19. JeremyR   2 years ago

    I think she would make a great president, but there's no way she'd win the nomination.

    Trump people won't vote for her. People who hate Trump won't vote for her.

    DeSantis won't win over the hard core Trump worshippers (their big smear of him today was that his wife's real name isn't Casey, but Jill!), but he's every bit as much a fighter and is coherent

    1. ragebot   2 years ago

      I thought the current DeSantis dis was that he wore high heeled boots

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/dem-oppo-researcher-slams-desantis-wearing-high-heeled-boots-called-cowboy-boots

  20. Tony   2 years ago

    I'm sure Indian Americans are thrilled that the GOP base is being reminded that they exist.

    That's the thing about America. So many various minorities for the GOP base to harass and murder.

    Hey, happy Tuesday trans day, by the way!

    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      I'm sure if you looked at the stats, you would find that the people in the "GOP Base" are the least likely Americans to murder anyone.

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Yeah, it a lot of staunch republicans getting sent up for murder.

    2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Herbert Hoover's VP was nicknamed "The Injun." What mattered was that the looter piously back the murderous asset-forfeiture prohibition laws that caused WW1 and triggered The Crash & Great Depression. God's Own Prohibitionists got their wish. http://bit.ly/3XvqcDn
      Where, by the way, is the link to Tony's blog?

  21. mgm5790   2 years ago (edited)

    “While many Republican voters may be moving off Trump the man, the forces that he unleashed within the party—economic populism, isolationist foreign policy, election denialism, and above all, an unapologetic and vulgar focus on fighting culture war issues—remain incredibly popular with GOP voters,” writes Longwell.

    I think this paragraph pretty much summarizes everything we need to know. I’d say America first instead of isolation. I’d say fair and transparent elections instead of election denialism, but the point is made. Trump, for better or worst, taught us to stand up to the woke leftist mob. The journalist will tell you they made us comfortable with our racism and sexism other “isms” and phobias.” Not the case– it made us not care if we were falsely labeled as such. The average conservative didn’t feel like walking on eggshells as much (admittedly, the more radical elements were a bit more visible but not like the media made it seem.) Action was actually taken on the border, not just talk. It was okay to love America despite is faults. We were somehow able to have a good, even great economy and all despite a mad man being president. Despite more and more people becoming disillusioned with Trump, they don’t want to go back to being walked all over, personally and as a nation. They want a president with a spine. I doubt Trump can pull off a win (though we all said that in 2016) so the obvious choice is DeSantis who can stand up to non-sense but also be measured and reasonable. The most important thing is we get someone whether it is Trump, DeSantis, Haley, or anyone else, who can beat the far left. And at this point, that is every democrat in politics. Manchin seemed like the last reasonable democrat left. But that went out the window when he voted on the Inflation Increase Act.

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      So... either way: girl-bullying superstitious prohibitionist looter goood... Message received.

      1. DesigNate   2 years ago

        It’s cute you think Democrats aren’t just as superstitious or girl-bullying.

        Never change Hankie.

  22. Ragnarredbeard   2 years ago

    You can smell the desperation from Boehm. He's gotta push Trump even when its not about Trump.

  23. JimboJr   2 years ago

    Most likely she will be a VP. The Jeb! camp isnt going to be excited enough to come out for another neocon, albeit younger and with more intersectional points.

    She would be 'perfect' (political terms) for a VP...someone so they can counter the dems "POC female VP" schtick, so they cant brag about Kamala's diversity, and satisfy the neocons.

    Not a fan of her, but it seems like she falls right into the VP spot in current climate

  24. Use the Schwartz   2 years ago

    Dems need to remember that the Grim Reaper is the real spoiler.

    Oh and Nikki Haley, LOL, whatevs...

  25. Truthteller1   2 years ago

    Of course "MAGA" means nothing, it's just a virtue signal to the establishment.

    1. Mike Laursen   2 years ago

      It means nothing? So all the people walking around with hats that says "Making America Great Again" on them are expressing support for nothing? When Trump talked about "Making America Great Again" he was talking about nothing, as if he were George Costanza?

      1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

        Part of the MAGA appeal is that it brings you leftists such delicious agony. I’m fact, you would probably have a mini stroke if one of the beer companies introduced ‘MAGA Genuine Draft’ beer into the marketplace.

      2. windycityattorney   2 years ago

        Just ask them at what particular moment in history we are making "America great again" referring to. What are the responses? Post WWII? Pesky ol' de-segregation and civil rights fights. The 60s? Vietnam? Sometime after Nixon resigned but before Reagan? When Reagan was president and Iran Contra scandals and star wars were a thing? Certainly not 9/11 or anytime after that. WHAT IS THE REFERENCE POINT? The 'again' in MAGA is referencing a previous time in our collective history that was 'great.' Can you name it?

        Has Trump or any of his paid promoters ever answered this simple question?

        1. ragebot   2 years ago

          I can't speak for others but after I got a second place medal in the 1968 Southeast Asian War Games I was a changed man. The US Army taught me to get out of bed, shit, shower, and shave and face the day. Something that served me well in my undergrad and post grad studies. While I had the GI bill to help with my education with scholarships and part time jobs when I graduated I had almost $US14,000 in the bank and with my new job was able to get a loan to buy a condo. Same for my former roommate who was a Hispanic guy from PR. Of course it was a different time when going to college required reasonable scored on SAT and decent grades in high school and there always a chance you could flunk out if you failed tests.

          I look at kids today and wonder how they are able to afford to attend college not to mention the jobs they get may not even come close to paying the debts they accrued in college. Housing is basically unaffordable and the current inflation seems even worse than when Carter/Nixon were in office.

          I am not claiming there were not problems in the past but there always seemed to be a light at the end of the tunnel while today the economy sucks and I don't see a lot of hope it will get better.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

          at what particular moment in history

          I'm speculating here, but I'm basing it on what I hear Trump supporters say about that: it's not a particular moment in history they're reaching back to, but a moment in their own personal history. They remember a time when they felt pretty good about how their own lives were going, even though they might have had challenges to face, and when they felt optimistic about their future and the future of our country. Now they've lost that feeling of satisfaction and hope for the future, and blame that on people who have pushed changes they see as destructive. It's not so much that they think we've lost our greatness, but rather that we've left the path towards greatness.

  26. skunkman   2 years ago

    Haley would make a great President. The question is: can she win the nomination? For the GOP, the MAGA nuts are a problem. A big problem. Donald Trump can't win against any democrat candidate. But the MAGA types are completely sold on the his chances because they can't believe that other non-democrats won't vote for him. I think Haley is a better choice than DeSantis to beat the democrats but I don't think she gets the chance. I hope I'm wrong.

    1. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

      Uh huh.

    2. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      Observe that to this looter the purpose of government is to sign paychecks for its own gang of force-initiating robbers and murderers.

    3. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      The Republicans are self-destructively divided and will lose the presidential election, no matter who the Democrats nominate. It is impossible to please the voters going down with the ship for Trump and forward-looking GOP voters at the same time.

  27. wrwoodman   2 years ago

    Is she even eligible?
    http://www.usnaturalborncitizen.com/nikkihaley.html

  28. Think It Through   2 years ago

    "As Reason's Scott Shackford noted earlier this month, she's also fallen into the same populist logical fallacy as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by voicing support for school choice while calling for bans on what can be taught in some schools, including critical race theory."

    Would Shackford support a law that no school -- public or private -- can teach that all black babies should be put to death just after birth?

    1. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

      This is mystical lifeboat ethics. Rather than consider the definition and purpose of government, and state the standard of value on which individual rights are distinguished from collectivist enslavement, unbalanced aggressors spout fabricated suppositions--having nothing to do with reality--as tests of fealty to their Führerprinzip. I yawn in their general direction.

      1. Think It Through   2 years ago

        You're not much of a libertarian translator. More like a libertarian obfuscator.

        1. DesigNate   2 years ago

          He’s not much of a libertarian.

  29. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Nikkita is another mystical looter politician whose party whip spanks her into voting to make women who have sex liable to be declared Siamese twins and enslaved by the State as conscripts in a war against Teedy Rosenfeld's "race suicide" Comstockism. Wanna see it in their words? Abolish Abortion: (https://bit.ly/3gY2NLi)
    Compare the original LP platform: (https://bit.ly/3PPpvBW)

  30. ReginaHopson   2 years ago (edited)

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    1. Vernon Depner   2 years ago

      What was it like growing up with the name "Regina"?

  31. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 years ago

    Nikki Haley vs Joe Biden; Nikki Haley is preferred
    Nikki Haley vs Kamala Harris; Nikki Haley is preferred
    Nikki Haley vs Pete Buttigieg; Nikki Haley is preferred
    Nikki Haley vs Gretchen Whitmer; Nikki Haley is preferred
    Nikki Haley vs Gavin Newsom; Nikki Haley is preferred

    Nikki Haley may not be a great pick, but relative to potential Democrat Party candidates, she is preferred by a large percentage.

    Unfortunately, with elections the decision usually boils down to whom is the least disastrous and will do the least amount of damage. With Trump vs Clinton and Trump vs Biden, the choices were so bad that I could not stomach voting for either of the disastrous choices.

    In retrospect, Trump was a mediocre President and Biden is attempting to lock in the status of being the worst president in my lifetime. This is not an endorsement of Trump, but rather reflecting just how piss-poor Biden is.

    I would advocate impeaching Biden, but the threat of a President Harris is revolting. It is sad that the first woman vice president is such a poor excuse of a public official with serious disqualifications.

    I purposely do not to mention her political opinions which should not have any bearing on her eligibility. I oppose her actions, methods and lack of integrity.

  32. edbeau99   2 years ago

    That's the tiresome thing about Boehm. He won't come straight out and say he is eager for another Biden term in office, but anyone the Republicans put up against Biden, he slags.

    And if he doesn't think there is a culture war going on, why was Reason flagged as "highly unreliable" by a U.S. government funded media consultant? Boehm is like the soldier that stands up and strolls around during an artillery bombardment, refusing to believe anything bad is going on.

  33. Liberty Lover   2 years ago

    Eric jumps on the Don Lemon band wagon. Attack any woman Republican candidate. Of course they would never dare do that to Hillary.

  34. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   2 years ago

    One of the better responses to InsaneTrollLogic.

  35. THX1138   2 years ago

    +1 reluctant vote for Biden.

  36. Mother's Lament   2 years ago

    He's a piece of filth in the pay of an actual Nazi Party member, that lies for for amusement.

  37. Ed Grinberg   2 years ago (edited)

    they are throwing out all their credibility just so they can attack evil republicans.

    This is not new. They’ve been doing this, with the bulk of their articles, (at least) since 2016.

  38. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

    While whispering “my life for you……”

  39. Elmer Fudd the CHUD   2 years ago

    He’s employed by Misek?

  40. Libertariantranslator   2 years ago

    Wasted is the correct modifier. LP spoiler votes carry order-of-magnitude leverage and even elect good citizens to office here and there. The anarco-crippled LP just now earned 2/3 of the 3rd-party vote, thereby euchring out all the disguised communist and fascist parties and nullifying their influence. Then again, if having looters point guns at you is what you seek, voting looter has a good record of accomplishing THAT.

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