Review: Gangsters vs. Nazis Greenlights Meeting Speech With Violence
Praising violence as a response to speech we don't like is a hallmark not of admirable Americanism but of oppressive regimes like Hitler’s.

In Gangsters vs. Nazis, crime historian Michael Benson invites us to cheer for Jewish mobsters who attacked Hitler supporters and sympathizers in cities such as New York, Chicago, Newark, and Los Angeles during the 1930s. Benson credits New York Judge Nathan D. Perlman, who conspired with the legendary Jewish gangster Meyer Lansky to disrupt meetings of the German American Bund, with "thinking outside of the box and teaching anti-Semites that Jews were tough and it could be dangerous to be a Nazi."
Perlman's outside-the-box thinking, which led to violent confrontations with Bund members and fascist Silver Shirts across the country, involved many acts of aggression, including bloody beatings that stopped just short of murder. While Benson occasionally acknowledges that the campaign was entirely illegal and deliberately punished antisemites for exercising their First Amendment rights, he has little patience with such objections.
According to "the company line," Benson writes, "hate speech was protected by the freedom of speech." But in reality, he avers, "hate speech was equivalent to inciting a riot." Unfortunately, he says, "there was no such thing as illegal 'hate speech' back then."
Nor is there such a thing in the United States today. In Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving a klansman whose bigoted fulminations led to criminal charges, the Supreme Court ruled that the government could not punish such rhetoric unless it was both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.
As alarming as Bund and Silver Shirt speeches were against the background of what was happening in Germany, they plainly did not meet that test. And as emotionally satisfying as Benson's colorful tales of meeting offensive speech with violence might be, tolerating and praising such behavior are hallmarks not of admirable Americanism but of oppressive regimes like Hitler's.
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Words are violence if we disagree.
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"My violence is justified."
- Every human ever
It is when you’re being attacked. As an example, I would like to obliterate the left form existence. However, if they abandoned their evil beliefs and left everyone alone, I could go back to not giving a shit about them, and be perfectly happy leaving them alone.
Under American law, what they did was indeed wrong. But it was nonetheless morally defensible. The Nazis went to war against Jews after 1933 - more evidently after the Nuremberg Laws, later, of course, and actively supporting the Nazis was to be part of that war. And if we fight back in the only places we can fight back, then tough.
You are a collectivist then, and proud of it. Fuck off, slaver.
Those American Nazis did nothing but speak, correct? Doesn't matter what they spoke; if all they did was speak in praise of Hitler, it was only speech, not harm.
Try seeing people as individuals. You fucking collectivists are control freaks through and through. Fuck off.
They were being beaten up not for their speech but for their being Nazis, who were at war with Jews.
Talking about "collectivists" like this is just rhetorical bullshit. If you're a Nazi, you've chosen to be part of a collective, and you treat Jews as a collective. I merely recognise this. You clearly don't.
I'm surprised you're not pissed off at people using the term "Nazis" to denote Nazis. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf : "How can you say that Nazis are Nazis, you collectivist?"
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Collective punishment, you dimwit.
Individualism, perhaps you have heard of it. The Nazis who were beaten up had harmed no one. You approve of guilt by association? Then you deserve a beating for siding with collectivists.
You aren't even a clever disingenuous fuckwit.
Fuckhead, if you're a member of a voluntarily-joined group like the Nazis, you are part of a collective. If I had approved of beating up Germans you'd have a good point. But I didn't and so you don't.
Guilt by association is legit when the association you have voluntarily joined is, say, the Nazis.
I wonder, if we go back through your posts, will we find your distaste for collectivising individuals to be consistently held across the political spectrum?
Good. So when patriotic Americans come for you because you’re an associate of the Marxist democrats, you won’t resist. As they will be completely justified, by your own admission.
Democrats are fascistic, and hate Jews.
Those American Nazis did nothing but speak, correct?
No. Incorrect.
This still does not give the antifa the right to sucker punch some alt-right dude.
If some alt-right dude is directly insulting people in a blatantly offensive way, yeah, I might punch him too. But I would still confront him first before I through the blow. Sucker punches are still for suckers.
And I would expect to pay a hefty fine or even a night in jail for it. I'm not part of an honor culture that demands ever slight be met with violence lest shame fall upon me, but there are things that I think are excusable for individual actions. Everyone can get pushed too far and some of these assholes will try to push you there.
Still, does not give antifa the right to sucker punch some dude over a mere political affiliation.
This still does not give the antifa the right to sucker punch some alt-right dude.
Correct. The difference between alt-right and US Nazis, and Jews and antifa, then and now, make the contexts different.
Disagree. It was wrong then, it's wrong now.
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Everyone knows the real enemy today is the democrat party. And their thug operatives, antifa.
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What the fuck is an ‘alt-right dude’?
So, we can start kicking the shit out of commies now. That'll be OK with you?
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https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?lang=en
For those of you who aren't familiar with the HBO hit series Game of Thrones, the "Red Wedding" was a surprise massacre.
The fake, phony, fugazi libertarians of Reason: bullshitting and gaslighting people on the job, while simultaneously calling for political mass murder off the job.
There's also the massacre at Senegallia.
Fuck Welch. He’s just another gutless leftist.
Guy! It's always best, both strategically and from a Libertarian stance, to let your enemy exert all the time, effort, and trouble to come to you, and, of course, be ready for it.
That way, if the enemy wants to start a Final Solution or Year Zero within your domain, you can do anything you want to to the enemy without either hypocrisy or remorse.
Nathan Perlman, Meyer Lansky, & Company started shit.
The Brothers Bielski in the forests of Belarus and the fine folks in the Lódz Ghetto and the Sobibor death camp fought back and helped end shit. And little Israel at it's best is still fighting back and sending enemies with tails between legs!
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And the these "good guy" gangsters went back to extorting local Jewish businesses, running drugs, robbing immigrants, and the myriad other crimes that did far more harm to the Jewish community than some dumb-ass Nazis. Great work, fellas.
If the left manages to bring stuff like this into the modern day... well just remember who they call "nazis" now... pretty much EVERYBODY!
This is a really dark and dangerous road the modern left and elites and progs are pushing for. And it is not going to turn out at all how they think if they do get their way.
the Supreme Court ruled that the government could not punish such rhetoric unless it was both "directed" at inciting "imminent lawless action" and "likely" to do so.
You had to bring January 6 into this, didn't you.
Reason has endlessly given cover to violence from BLM and Antifa, but won’t speak up for the rights of J6 detainees. After two years.