Sexually Active Gay Men May Soon Be Able To Donate Blood in America
Men in monogamous relationships may get clearance to give.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is considering new rules that would allow gay men to donate blood without mandating that they abstain from sex for months on end.
Following the AIDS crisis of the 1980s, gay men were forbidden from donating blood under the logic that they posed a risk of infecting the supply with HIV, given the lower quality of HIV testing at the time.
In 2015, given the improved ability to detect HIV in blood donations, the FDA finally ended the ban—but only for gay and bisexual men who weren't actually having sex. They had to abstain from sex for a year before they could donate blood. It might as well have been a total ban for most of these men–and a scientifically illogical one.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDA permanently loosened the restrictions further so that gay and bisexual men only had to abstain from sex for three months, all to help address shortages in the blood supply during a crisis. At the time, the agency said it had determined that the relaxed rules wouldn't compromise the safety of the blood supply.
Now, The Wall Street Journal reports, the FDA is drafting guidelines that will allow gay and bisexual men who are in monogamous relationships to donate blood. A new questionnaire would ask all donors if they've had any new sexual partners in the past three months. If the answer is yes, they'd be asked if they've had anal sex (this includes heterosexual and homosexual anal sex) in the past three months. Those who say yes will be asked to wait three months to donate blood.
That delay is to ensure that those donors are not HIV-positive. While the quality of HIV testing has improved significantly, it still can't reliably pick up new infections. It can take up to 10 days before the latest HIV tests can catch it, The Wall Street Journal reports. So, a three-month delay would allow tests to pick up new infections.
This move would put America more in line with other countries—like Canada—and, most obviously, create a greater pool of safe donors and help prevent shortages. While the ban once made sense as a safety measure, it's absurd that seemingly discriminatory inertia caused it to continue for decades even as technology made it possible to dispel fears, protect the blood supply, and, thus, increase the number of people who can give life-saving blood.
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During the COVID-19 pandemic, the FDA permanently loosened the restrictions further so that gay and bisexual men only had to abstain from sex for three months
Seriously people, what were the metrics for proving any of this?
And ... what about bisexual women? What about non-monogamous straight men and women?
The whole thing is a fraud from the beginning.
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It's not a "proof" so much as a risk assessment versus not having blood.
Yeah. The whole point is that the dude bleeding out in the ER doesn't have the luxury of examining the metrics for proof the blood is HIV negative.
The notion of 'proving' also oversimplifies the issue. That is, blood isn't like gasoline or water where it can just sit in tanks for 6 mos. and get repurified or even just diluted if it gets contaminated. It's akin to saying "Prove the 1.1 yard play on 4th and 1 was actually a first down." except people are bleeding out while you review the play on the field.
To wit, the relaxing of the standards is actually a pretty clear reaction to the lack of intelligence based on "two weeks sans metrics".
Literally tens of thousands of blood drives cancelled over the course of two years but, relaxing the infectious disease standards will make it easier for us to sustain ourselves through another "two weeks sans metrics".
But what about Libertarians not bleeding out and who have time to consider and decide if they want this blood or not? Absurd logic to use a dying man in an ER as your 'proof of concept'.
what about Libertarians not bleeding out and who have time to consider and decide if they want this blood or not?
This is a direct transfusion, not an indirect transfusion or donation. You or a medical professional (or not) are relatively free (as in speech) to swap blood as you see fit. Admittedly, there is no clear white line, or not just one, between the two and the inability to distinguish is my point, thanks for the focus adjustment.
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I suspect the reason they have blood shortages are that:
1) lock downs and fear-mongering about contact with others reduced the supply 2020-2022
2) they don't pay donors.
Imagine a free market in blood. Think how much the blood of athletes, nuns, virgins, and people who have never had a disease would command. I suspect gay male blood would sell at a discount (and I'm gay).
As to "monagmous gay male couples" they will need to invent some test for people to prove that they are that unicorn.
A free market exists between donation centers, hospitals, and laboratories.
Donors cannot be paid because of the moral hazard. It is provable that they will lie for cash which adds risks to the phlebotomists and everyone in the production of blood products. .
There are also enough volunteers to supply the centers without payments. They’ve done fine without homosexuals all these years; their inclusion now is politically motivated, not based on necessity.
The United States used to pay blood donors, and it was a disaster. The problem wasn't "HIV" (which probably doesn't exist - see the work of the Perth Group on what exactly an HIV test is). The problem was Hepatitis B chronic carriers as well as what is known as "sticky blood" (blood where the immune system has been activated due to unhealthy lifestyle). Free Market bloodmobiles would go into skid row and junkies would line up to get paid to donate in order to fund their habit. Often, the blood had detectable amounts of impure street drugs. Other blood was imported from Haiti where it was collected from paid donors under very sketchy circumstances. When transfused, this "bad blood" would often cause post-transfusion hepatitis and autoimmune reactions.
US Medical centers started turning to volunteer-only blood banks ca. 1983 but large for-profit operations delayed until the mid 90's. In fact, much of what has been attributed to the decline in post-transfusion hepatitis testing (aka "Hepatitis C") was actually the result of improved donor screening.
Also, the American Red Cross is a big scam and fraud. They pay their executives million dollar salaries, get free donations, then sell them at $800 a unit while spending $5-$60 for about 10 tests which are a profit center for test kit companies, and at least 1 of the tests (HTLV-1) is totally unnecessary. After 9/11, the Red Cross took in millions of donated blood units, and then used recalled HIV tests to kick back an FDA fine to Abbott Labs and then threw all the blood out.
Plenty of gays, prostitutes, and junkies use blood donations as a free way to get an HIV test. That generates a lot of data.
I’m guessing that the FDA used Red Cross data from these screening tests to develop this policy.
Monkey pox?
Now, The Wall Street Journal reports, the FDA is drafting guidelines that will allow gay and bisexual men who are in monogamous relationships to donate blood.
Two things here.
1. I lived in a condo complex where I was the only straight man on premises, I'm not sure if there's such a thing as monogamous gay male relationships.
b: If you're bisexual and in a monogamous relationship, where does the 'BI' come into play?
Ask them. But if they are willing to lie, than it doesn’t really matter if its 1 year or a total ban (well maybe you can weed out the assless chap guy from the total ban).
That was for the one above
1. It's women that are the rate limiting factor in sleeping around. So your point should be mostly true. But "all my gay friends" are in long term relationships with adopted kids and shit. So I would predict they are as monogamous as heterosexuals.
b. I think it's the hair.
1. It’s women that are the rate limiting factor in sleeping around. So your point should be mostly true. But “all my gay friends” are in long term relationships with adopted kids and shit. So I would predict they are as monogamous as heterosexuals.
They are not.
At all.
As '2' notes, one cannot be 'bisexual' in a monogamous relationship.
Do you guys not know what bisexual means.
It means attraction to both sexes. It doesn't mean you're fucking both or have ever.
Otherwise heterosexual people couldn't be in monogamous relationships either - because we're still attracted to women.
My ex-wife didn't like that I was still attracted to women while we were married.
Stick in the mud.
I'm sure she wouldn't be a fan of that either. 🙂
What you said...as well as what I said elsewhere on the thread.
It’s women that are the rate limiting factor in sleeping around. So your point should be mostly true. But “all my gay friends” are in long term relationships with adopted kids and shit. So I would predict they are as monogamous as heterosexuals.
That's why I specified in my original comment "gay male" relationships.
b: If you’re bisexual and in a monogamous relationship, where does the ‘BI’ come into play?
Gorsuch, Bostock v. Clayton County
Got a lot of dinner invitations, did you?
b: they are 50% celibate.
I’m not sure if there’s such a thing as monogamous gay male relationships.
There are.
I can’t speak for your apartment neighbors, but Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, and Pansexual pertain to orientation of sexual attraction, not necessarily to the sexual relationship in which one is presently engaged.
Thus, one could be Bisexual or Pansexual, but in an exclusive relationship to a person of a specific gender or in no relationship at all.
Also, Homosexuals could be married to someone of the opposite sex or in no relationship at all, as members of the anti-Same-Sex Marriage Religious Right so notoriously wanted Homosexuals to be, when the Religious Right didn’t want them imprisoned or executed. (Jerry Falwell, Sr.’s ministry supported that, as do Christian Reconstructionists/Dominionists and the Christian Identity sect.)
So, I hope that answers at least one question.
Seeing as virgins can have sexualities (and trust me, I figured out I was gay years before I had sex) it's pretty obvious that sexuality is not dependent on behavior.
Sounds like a good way to reintroduce AIDS back into the blood supply.
Fauci swan song.
I do wonder how they will handle the many HIV+ men who are on any hookup website (ask your gay friend) who describe themselves as "undetectable." These are men taking Truvada and other AIDS medications. They believe because their viral load is so low they can't transmit the virus through unprotected sex. Will they believe they can't transmit the virus by blood donation?
These are men taking Truvada and other AIDS medications. They believe because their viral load is so low they can’t transmit the virus through unprotected sex.
There's a host of drugs you aren't supposed to donate if you're taking, anti-retrovirals are among the top.
However, to further this and other points, things with mRNA get really... interesting.
If you look at gay men on hookup websites, where maybe 15 or 20% have "partners," whose profile is often linked since they "play together" at least sometimes, it seems that at least 40% of gay men are HIV+ even if "undetectable" (I will now have to see if I can find any stats on this).
So if you have to be monogamous and also not taking retrovirals to donate your gay blood, the only blood that can be donated is from some elderly gay asexuals and widowers.
Looks like some outdated (2016) CDC document claims 1 out of 6 gay men in HIV+
They were likely lying on blood donor forms already.
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"the FDA is drafting guidelines that will allow gay and bisexual men who are in monogamous relationships to donate blood."
They both must be ecstatic.
Maybe there should be a reality TV show where gay male couples compete on who is most faithful. All of them put up for a month at some Costa Rican resort estate.
Some of them could scheme and plot to seduce a member of another couple into adultery, or perhaps there would be one fake couple in the mix tasked with this.
The last couple where neither broke down and sucked an errant dick would win a prize. And get to donate their blood.
Would last two episodes.
Gay dudes get more ass in a long weekend than straight dudes would their entire lives.
I donate regularly (again after they dropped the mask requirements) . This is stupid.
Does your husband know?
Does that guy at the gym in the steam room?
Where's the party?
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Monogamous gay male couples are so rare they will not make a significant addition to blood supplies. So it's not worth the risk of increasing the risk of infections from hepatitis etc.
Ooops. No sexual relationships with men so I can answer the questions honestly. Just clarifying.
I grew up near SF. I have never met any sexually monogamous gay males. NOT ONE. Many have "married" but none that I knew or know are actually monogamous. They might have fewer but none? nope.
Its is and was part of the lifestyle itself. By the way...by definition how can one be bisexual and in a monagomous relationship?
This defies all logic in itself!!!!
OH, and for how long? I can just see the guy thinking...I have been monogamous for THREE WEEKS....yup that makes me eligible.
How about guys like me and most...almost 40 years now. And....I quit after donating several gallons. They destroyed my veins!!!
Here's the deal Rusty - the FDA has already shot it's wad with it's rapid-fire performance of COVID and then the political crap around monkeypox.
No one is going to trust that these rules are 'the science's and not made to 'destigmatize' homosexuality.
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Homosexual men are about 3% of the population. This isn't about creating a larger pool of blood donors. It's pro-gay virtue-signaling.
^ This. It's absurd anyone thinks otherwise.
Does it suck that gay men in particular are such a minor portion of the overall population while also representing such a large portion of HIV positive individuals?
Yeah, it does, although gay men are well aware that their lifestyle choices directly lead there so it's not really a mystery to anyone involved.
Thanks for making it so easy for the rest of us to know who to put on Mute.
Yep -- the people who bring facts into the conversation.
True.
About 3% of the population donates blood each year.
When your pool is so small to start, making it unnecessarily smaller is an idiotic move.
It used to be (in 1994 but even in 2008) that Reason used to report that a significant number of highly credentialed scientists have gone on record stating HIV does not cause 'AIDS.' Moreover, anybody who has studied the history and details of HIV testing knows that HIV tests are not HIV tests. What's actually going on is with anal sex (heterosexual and homosexual) a group of proteins found in sperm called transglutamases are absorbed through the rectal lining raising general levels of antibodies in an autoimmune reaction, and this gets picked up on "HIV tests" as "reactive." The Government essentially developed a test to detect promiscuous bottoms and drug users who were then diagnosed as "infected" and offered AZT which killed them.
If you don't believe me HIV tests are not HIV tests, just read the package inserts, or watch this film on HIV testing limitations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OajiyoWmKiE
Every single human being is "HIV Positive" in the sense they have detectable antibodies. The blood serum in "HIV Tests" is diluted 400-fold, so "HIV Positives" have elevated levels of antibodies. There are 103 medical conditions that can cause "HIV tests" to turn positive including stuff like exposure to bovine calf serum and multiple pregnancies.
Also, some of the very judgmental comments here about gay people on a website that is supposed to be Libertarian leaning really show gay people do have a civil rights problem.
Blood Transfusions never transmitted 'AIDS.' The seminal cases establishing 'blood supply AIDS' were examined by a sociologist named Michelle Cochrane who debunked the CDC's claims in her 2004 book "When AIDS Began" published by Rutger's University Press.
Regarding Hemophiliacs: the Factor VIII AIDS-transmission myth was debunked in a series of articles by Neville Hodgkinson in the Sunday Times in 1993 and a 1994 review article by Eleni Papadapoulos-Eliopolous published in the journal Genetica. Even in 1989, UCSF Professor Jay Levy, "the Third Discoverer of HIV" wrote in his standard HIV textbook there was no proof of hemophiliac HIV. What happened was early Factor VIII was highly impure creating an "antigenic overload" for heavy users causing hemophilacs to get sick. The drug manufacturers decided to wash their hands of the liability by blaming a virus, and the government went along with the lie. High Purity Factor VIII came out in about 1987.
"Multiple Bood Transfusions" is a known cause of false positive "HIV tests" and blood transfusions are themselves immunosuppressive. Prior to organ transplants, surgeons will transfuse bloods specifically to suppress the immune system to prevent organ rejection. This is called "Antigen Overload."
The seminal study finding hemophiliac 'AIDS' was debunked in Joan Shenton's 1993 book, "Positively false" and the alternative explanation of transfusion associated immune deficiency can be found in Appendix 11 of the Lindsay Inquiry (the Scottish version of the British Infected Blood Inquiry).
Also, people who receive blood transfusions have underlying health issues - fewer than half are still alive after the transfusion. A notable case was Paul Gann, California's tax reformer.
So has everyone given up on the possibility of actually curing HIV/AIDS, perhaps through nanobots that fight the viruses in the bloodstream?
Well, this comment section is about what I expected.
Remember the Aids vaccine? We could all be vaccinated again it. I remember this being prophesied. That was one vaccine that I had no interest in getting. Fine for anyone who wants it.
A new pandemic is necessary to change the way we handle the next election.
Besides, if gay men have sex while 6 feet apart and wearing a mask, everything is ok.
Like Heterosexual blood "causes" pregnancy? Remind me not to frequent your practice.