The U.S. Is Entangled in Ukraine for the Long Haul
Accountability, diplomacy, and planning are essential for preventing a forever proxy war.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine was expected to be quick. It would take a few weeks, maybe, or even mere days for forces from Moscow to sweep into Kyiv. But Ukraine's dogged self-defense soon upset those expectations, and, nine months into the conflict, U.S. military and financial aid to Ukraine appears to be an open-ended commitment. Even with Russia retreating from Kherson City and other areas of Ukraine, American guns and money will keep flowing to the nation for the foreseeable future.
President Joe Biden has already put some limits on what that commitment will entail. "So long as the United States or our allies are not attacked," he wrote in The New York Times this past summer, "we will not be directly engaged in this conflict, either by sending American troops to fight in Ukraine or by attacking Russian forces." Biden also wrote that U.S. aims stop well short of ousting Russian President Vladimir Putin, "encouraging or enabling Ukraine to strike beyond its borders," or "prolong[ing] the war just to inflict pain on Russia."
Those constraints are welcome, but they aren't enough to keep America from repeating foreign policy mistakes of the recent past. If the U.S.-Ukraine relationship is to continue as is, we need transparent documentation of how U.S. aid is used, a consistent effort to facilitate diplomacy, and serious consideration of when and why the U.S. role might have to change.
On the first count, we already have a model for the type of documentation needed. As Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) proposed in May, American humanitarian and military aid to Ukraine should be supervised by an inspector general, much like the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR). The SIGAR office was formed in 2008 and tasked with auditing reconstruction work in Afghanistan by investigating allegations of waste, fraud, and abuse; and taking on ad hoc inspection projects as needed.
SIGAR work did not always lead to accountability—on the contrary, The Washington Post's Afghanistan Papers, published after a multiyear legal fight in 2019, revealed just how often "senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable." Still, those papers were SIGAR documents. SIGAR is the reason the Post was able to expose these deceptions. We need a similar record-keeper in Ukraine to document similar lies and fiascos.
Facilitating diplomacy between Kyiv and Moscow is a less straightforward task. Both Putin's regime and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy have made clear their complete disinterest in negotiations. That disinterest will continue as long as each government can map a plausible path to military victory. We might justly wish for the Russian military in full retreat, even from Crimea, offering repentance and restitution and whatever else Ukraine demands, but it's a wish unlikely to be granted.
Yet war conditions change, sometimes very suddenly, and either party may come to see the merits of a deal which secures peace, if not total triumph. Diplomacy isn't wanted now, but one day, hopefully soon, it might be.
Washington should use its diplomatic infrastructure, influence, and communication with both sides to prepare for that moment. The Biden administration should urge Ukraine and Russia alike to "demonstrate openness to the prospect of eventual talks, and to moderate public expectations of a decisive victory," as political scientists Samuel Charap and Miranda Priebe recently argued in Foreign Affairs. That includes emphasizing that "a negotiated settlement would not be an act of capitulation." We can set the stage for talks before the players are ready to appear.
That preparation is closely linked to the third and most difficult project at hand, which is considering—at least internally, if not publicly—what would count as mission creep in this war. Are there strategic, geographic, or chronological boundaries we won't cross? For example, if Russia uses a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine, is that a red line? If the SIGAR analogue exposes major fraud or failure, what happens? Or if Russia leaves all Ukrainian land but "contest[s] a Ukrainian victory for years to come," perhaps via air war, as Charap and Priebe posit, does the U.S. posture remain unchanged?
In short: How will we keep Ukraine from becoming a forever proxy war and ensure an American president isn't still signing quarterly aid packages for Kyiv in 2045? It seems we're involved for the long haul, but surely we ought to be thinking about how long is long enough.
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"How will we keep Ukraine from becoming a forever proxy war and ensure an American president isn't still signing quarterly aid packages for Kyiv in 2045?"
Putin should be dead by 2045 but I don't know if that's better or worse from an American POV. If he died of a heart attack tomorrow who would take over?
The only solution is to import every single person from the Ukraine to the US, (whether they want to come or not), and let them work for Mr. Koch.
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The only solution is to import every single person from the Ukraine to the US, (whether they want to come or not)
We’re working on it in NorCal:
https://www.capradio.org/articles/2022/08/04/thousands-of-ukrainians-crossed-into-california-this-year-many-of-them-came-to-sacramento/
At least it’s through the support of private charities, families, and churches, so they have my support.
And many came through Mexico-- and lord knows how many other countries. Something something safe third country.
Guest Column.
The Ukraine war will continue for as long as the democrats are able to use it as a vehicle for laundering taxpayer money back to their own campaigns--that is to say, indefinitely.
Yes.
That’s been my question. My brother in law was a Navy Captain, and works for a defense contractor so he still has clearance. He says no one is all that sure who takes over, and it might not be an improvement over Putin. So right now he’s the devil we know.
Putin has both colorectal cancer and Parkinson's Disease. Sorry to bust your thug-crush.
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Accountability, diplomacy, and planning are essential for preventing a forever proxy war.
Because when I think of Washington, DC - especially of Joe Biden - I think of accountability, diplomacy, and planning. At least ever since Viet Nam, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia, and Syria among many other adventures.
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How about cutting Biden's college loan in half, and sending $200 billion in aid to Ukraine?
How about sending all the ex-students with loans in default to Ukraine?
OK that’s just mean spirited! The poor Ukrainian people have enough crap on their plates as it is!
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Is there any reason why American taxpayers should be forced at gunpoint to support that corrupt little shite hole?
It was a mistake in the first place to get involved but the democrats looked at it as a big money laundering scheme.
Sounds like another Disney movie about entering a black hole, which is exactly what Washington has got us into.
FJB
The plain fact is Ukraine is only going to sue for peace if it sees no way to regain its occupied territory, or if has regained them. Russia will only ask for peace if it has accomplished its war aims (especially so as the aggressor), or if it's ability to hold the territory it currently occupies proves impossible. What the rest of the world wants them to do is of secondary consideration to warring nations.
The US could always pull the plug. Ukriane's position would be weakened considerably if it had to rely on European assistance (or its own resources). The US effectively decides what happens to Ukarine.
Try being the politician who introduces such legislation. I can hear the wood chippers cranking up now.
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I can't really think of a way out of this war short of Russia leaving. That will weaken Putin and so it not likely to happen. Maybe the best that could happen is if the two side move to from a "hot war" to a "cold war". That is remain at war but stop fighting. Like N/S Korea or former E/W Germany. Not a good solution but perhaps doable.
You know, there were candidates in the last election that didn't want the U.S. getting bogged down in a pointless war against Russia. Reason insisted they were unacceptable.
But Bill, they were against grooming young children and favored returning abortion law to the states. We cannot have that.
Apparently, so did the voters.
Sure--if by "voters" you mean "Dominion."
Ah, the luxury of being judgment-proof.
Ten years in Viet Nam, twenty years in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Africa, Libya,....who cares anymore?
The arse holes in Washington will do what they will and they don't give a f*** about what you think.
The Biden administration should urge Ukraine and Russia alike to "demonstrate openness to the prospect of eventual talks, and to moderate public expectations of a decisive victory,"
This is utter bafflegab. The US is not remotely even in a position to be credible re negotiations. So stop with the bullshit. There is imo a reasonable semi-peacemongering role for the US to play but only if the US shuts the fuck up about it and stops trying to pretend that negotiation is a role for the US to play.
That role is to undermine the connection between the Putin regimes propaganda and the Russian people. Not for the purpose of a coup which would simply be a happy coinkydink. But for the purpose of letting Russians know that the US has no interest in killing off Russia or undermining or disprespecting their civilization or all that shit that the elites are trying to sell in order to resurrect their empire. Most Russians do not give a rat's shit about elitist dreams of empire. But we damn well shouldn't be leaving a vacuum for that propaganda to be repeated ad nauseum without being countered. We are back to a Cold War in many ways. The Putin path turns out to have been a very dangerous one but it is obviously not the only one for Russia's future. So get RFE/RL back up and start competing to sell a different positive narrative for Russians to see as a possible alternative.
Does anyone still own a radio?
Russia has basically shut down free internet (incl RFE and RL) so radio may be the only thing that can get through.
So stop with the bullshit. There is imo a reasonable semi-peacemongering role for the US to play but only if the US shuts the fuck up about it and stops trying to pretend that negotiation is a role for the US to play.
Providing Military aid IS a negotiating tactic.
Negotiating with Russia re military aid to Ukraine?
Perhaps if Ukraine weren't tied to Biden's coattails through some 'questionable' dealings, we could easily disentangle the US?
Well, it's not like we have a certain POTUS candidate caught on video bragging about this shady dealings with Ukraine. We need HARD evidence.
no court of law has found Brandon guilty. q.e.d.
He was not "caught"; he was very publicly bragging about it.
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>>Russia's invasion of Ukraine was expected to be quick.
Russia's history of week-long military victories is long and distinguished
Unlike the British, who won a war in 45 minutes.
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The war in Ukraine will take as long as necessary, i.e. to deflect any attention on the Biden clan involvement and promote other WEF priorities.
In that case, we all owe a debt of gratitude to Vladolph for conveniently invading Ukraine just in the nick of time.
The W.E.F. doesn't need The Russo-Ukrainian War to promote bug-eating. In fact, since Putin's Russia has an economy the size of Italy, it looks like Russia is already in the bug-eating phase.
Colonel Klink Klaus of the W.E.F. could make Putin's Russia the main clientele for Roach Borscht and Putin doesn't give a shit if the Russians are happy.
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was expected to be quick. It would take a few weeks, maybe, or even mere days for forces from Moscow to sweep into Kyiv.
You know, I know geopolitics isn’t really Reason’s bailiwick. But Russia had never planned to ‘sweep into [Kyifffffuh]’. Whatever one thinks of the Russia/Ukraine conflict (Pro Putin Shill, fight-Putin-down-to-the-last-Ukrainian, or somewhere inbetween), Russia’s plan was to secure the largely Russian speaking areas to the east. Any attacks on [Kyifffffuh] were or are designed as a distraction to keep the bulk of Ukrainian forces tied up defending the capitol. It appeared to be working early in the conflict but appears to have failed. But discussing the details and strategies on the ground is a separate, much longer (and more boringer) discussion which I would never expect Reason to touch.
I can’t personally say how much eleventy billion of American aid is helping the Ukraine army, because it wasn’t going well for them early in the conflict, with Ukraine’s own military leaders publicly saying they had already had most of their best troops killed or captured– and this was two or three months ago. But this idea that Russia’s goal was to simply swallow up the whole of Ukraine and fly the Soviet flag over the capitol is a Jr High level reading of the conflict.
" Any attacks on [Kyifffffuh] were or are designed as a distraction to keep the bulk of Ukrainian forces tied up defending the capitol. "
Possibly, yes, but maybe the Russians thought that a quick attack and occupation of the capital would be easy and followed by loss of resolve and surrender. But I agree that swallowing up the whole of Ukraine was probably never seriously contemplated.
Well, I think Russia thought swallowing up the Eastern Ukrainian regions was going to be a quick attack, and that has turned out to not be the case.
"Russia’s plan was to secure the largely Russian speaking areas to the east."
And secure approaches to Crimea, too. There used to be a lot of talk about how the Baltics, and even the rest of Europe was in danger of Russian invasion. I'm not seeing so much of this these days. Also Sweden and Finland joining up with NATO, I'm not sure if interest in this is being maintained or put on the back burner and on the way to being forgotten.
Putin's idea is to start a New Eurasian Empire encompassing the old Soviet Empire and do it in the name of his vile, evil God.
And Putin doesn't give a shit that he's lost more of his best and brightest troops in 10 months that the U.S. lost in 10 years in Southeast Asia, with more to come!
If you don't understand this, Diane (Paul), you are hopeless.
"Any attacks on [Kyifffffuh] were or are designed as a distraction to keep the bulk of Ukrainian forces tied up defending the capitol."
You have that on good authority, do you?
I assume this was an out-of-thread reply to me, but yes, every reasonable conclusion would suggest just that.
The eastern "pro-Russian" areas of Ukraine are the very focus of his invasion and have been so in previous conflicts, including the one in 2014 which produced the Minsk II agreements-- which Ukraine has ignored.
Let's try that again, dear:
“Any attacks on [Kyifffffuh] were or are designed as a distraction to keep the bulk of Ukrainian forces tied up defending the capitol.”
Your mission, should you choose to accept it (this time), is to explain why you believe THAT was the true goal of Putler's "special military operation" in the Kiev region. Hardly anyone not on the Kremlin payroll believes taking Kiev was just a feint--and the thousands of troops who died in the attempt were simply sacrificed so Russia could commit atrocities in Bucha and then safely retreat back to the parts of Ukraine they largely already controlled.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-battle-for-kyiv-dc559574ce9f6683668fa221af2d5340
Sieg, and, indeed, Heil. Heil Putin.
Fucking Nazi scum.
If the Russians have not won by 2045, and the Russians have not quit by 2045, then I would be perfectly happy to have the US continue supporting Ukraine in 2045, rather than letting the Russians have the opportunity to aim what would (by then) be proved to be a truly fanatical revanchism elsewhere.
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The U.S. Is Entangled in Ukraine for the Long Haul
Isn't that what reason writers voted for?
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Maybe with this new congress, we can get untangled from Ukraine.
Not keeping my hopes up.
The west is finished.
So, let's sum this up:
"Hi, my name's BONNIE KRISTIAN and I am paid to shill for the Kremlin."
Fuck off, traitor. Fuck off to your paymasters in Moscow.
More likely, Bonnie Kristain is a Cheek-Turning Christian who thinks that anybody and everybody can and should be your friend. Fuck off to that too!