A Potted Plant Could Beat a Trump Republican
A cult following fails to attract voters dismayed by Democratic policies.

With a Democratic White House and Congress presiding over persistently high inflation, economic woes, and deep public dissatisfaction in the direction of the country, Americans turned in a muddled verdict at the ballot box.
While Republicans who offered a genuine alternative did well, the GOP put up a host of batty political cultists who struggled to attract votes. The victory in Pennsylvania of Democrat John Fetterman, the stroke-addled candidate who turned in a disastrous debate performance over Dr. Mehmet Oz, suggests that a potted plant could beat a Trump Republican.
Most forecasters didn't expect the midterm elections to go this way.
"A new CNN national poll paints a very grim portrait of the electorate for Democrats, with any number of warning signs that suggest the 2022 midterms are shaping up to be very tough for their side," Chris Cillizza wrote for CNN the week for the election.
"Independents, especially women, are swinging to the G.O.P. despite Democrats' focus on abortion rights. Disapproval of President Biden seems to be hurting his party," agreed the New York Times in assessing its polling.
On election day, some Republicans did perform well, including Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who crushed his Democratic opponent by almost 20 points and poised himself for a predicted presidential run in 2024. Likewise, Republicans in New York won congressional seats in what New York magazine called "the kind of sweep not seen in decades."
But the failure of New York's Trump-supporting GOP gubernatorial candidate, Lee Zeldin, foreshadowed similar disappointments for the party elsewhere. Despite abysmal approval numbers for Democrats and President Joe Biden, and sky-high dissatisfaction (79 percent according to Gallup) with the direction of the country, Trump-linked Republicans failed to gain much traction.
Fetterman's victory over Oz resulting in a Senate seat flipped for Democrats is a case in point. After a stroke in May, Fetterman had very obvious difficulty understanding what was said to him and in articulating his own thoughts. A debate performance described in terms such as "disastrous" and "shockingly bad" raised serious concerns about his ability to perform his duties, or to do anything other than try to recover. Yet voters still picked him over Trump-backed Dr. Mehmet Oz for the Senate.
Pennsylvania voters also nixed the gubernatorial aspirations of Doug Mastriano, who had Trump's backing and denied the legitimacy of the 2020 election. "Mastriano spent over $3,000 to bus over 100 Trump supporters to D.C. on Jan. 6," WHYY noted of the candidate who failed to gain traction beyond the party faithful.
The results were much the same elsewhere. In Arizona, Kari Lake, who closely aligned herself with former president Donald Trump and who led in polls through much of the state's gubernatorial race, is currently trailing in the vote count. She may well lose to her Democratic opponent, Katie Hobbs, an awkward non-entity who refused to debate and dodged the media. If Lake pulls it out, it will be by a squeaker over an opponent who ran a weak campaign. Right now, the only state-wide office Arizona Republicans appear likely to take is that of state treasurer.
Importantly, Trump-backed Blake Masters lost his race for the Senate to incumbent Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly, a performance echoed elsewhere as Democrats held on to bare control of the upper house of Congress. Republicans aren't even certain to claim a majority in the House of Representatives, despite basement-level approval for the Democrat-led Congress and Biden. Americans are remarkably unhappy with Democrats on issues including the economy and energy policy, and they were keen to support Republicans who ran actual campaigns based on ideas. But GOP candidates who kept up the tired drumbeat of election denialism and cultish fealty to Donald Trump drew minimal enthusiasm across the country.
Republican candidates "closely aligned with the past, those are the ones that underperformed," Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.) summed up over the weekend. "We as a party need to have a debate about ideas. In that debate, we need to explain to the American people exactly where we think our country should go."
"I think Donald Trump gives us problems, politically," commented Republican former speaker of the House Paul Ryan, of Wisconsin. "We lost the House, the Senate and the White House in two years when Trump was on the ballot, or in office. I think we just have some Trump hangover. I think he's a drag on our office, on our races."
Ohio's J.D. Vance was among the few populist Trumpists to score big victories on Tuesday.
It's important to emphasize here, again, that Democrats didn't win the midterms so much as fail to completely lose them, despite Biden's reality-defying post-election claim that "the overwhelming majority of the American people support the elements of my economic agenda." Polls of Americans strongly suggest otherwise, and successes by Ron DeSantis, New York Republicans, and non-crazy GOP candidates elsewhere demonstrate that there is a national appetite for a serious alternative. But Trump-ish populists didn't satisfy that appetite. Given a choice between hubristic Democratic incompetence and culty Republican lunacy, voters pretty much split the difference, giving neither party a clear advantage.
With a little luck, Republicans will claim a razor-thin majority in the House, giving Americans the respite from bad policies—either party's bad policies—offered by gridlock. Two years of stalled legislation leading up to the next round of elections won't actually resolve anything, especially given the executive authority wielded by an unrepentant White House. But a hobbled Congress has to be an improvement over what we've seen in recent years.
That will also give the major political factions, Republicans in particular, some time for reflection. Does the GOP want to be a political party based around ideas or will it continue on its path as a nutty cult of personality? Will Democrats get that they barely eked out a non-drubbing for their unpopularity courtesy of the bizarre disarray of their opposition?
Even less certain is whether either Democrats or Republicans will ultimately make any effort to court Americans who want more freedom and less interference with their ability to run their own lives. Recent political history hasn't been encouraging.
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Well...J D Vance?
Proof that a Trump Republican *can* win an election over a potted plant...if they are going for a seat that the previous Republican won by over 20 points, and have the evil establishment GOP dump in $30 Million to save them, rather than other competitive races.
This
As opposed to having corrupt establishment Republicans, Democrats, media and Democrat city fraud machines working against them?
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1592205977037987841?t=T3Y0U5Nu4A5XQ5I9KvuOsw&s=19
A conspiracy theorist might view the corporate press amplifying “the end of the Trump era” weeks ago, blood red Biden demonizing voters & dissent, the show trials, the perp walks, the subpoenas, the FBI raid, the treatment of the J6 political prisoners,
and the continued targeting of Trump endorsed candidates, a week after Election Day as all very organized and calculated to feign consensus, shift momentum, & serve the storyline the establishment needs to retain power.
But hey I’m in Florida.
Not my circus, not my clown show.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1592299512680579072?t=3fhCGR8KZk3lv-vI_RX7aw&s=19
This happened after Lee Zeldin gave a full defense of Trump on the debate stage when given the chance
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JD Vance was literally mocked by Trump at his own campaign event. And he sat there and smiled like the cuck he is. But hey, the dude won so selling his dirty little soul was 100% worth it.
I don't get this comment is it just some sort of smarmy hipster self congratulations pat on the back because I'm smart I watch the Simpsons?
No, this actually happened. If Mr. Vance sits and watches another man fuck his voters right in front of him, is he not a cuck?
Stop sockpuppeting, Shrike.
I’d like him to stop living.
I'd love for you to choke to death on the myriad cocks you suck
Not going to choke on the ones you suck. They're all too small. Leave the kids alone, Shrike.
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Go away, you small-minded plebe
Also,
"DeSantis isn't a Trump republican, unless we think it hurts his chances, then he is a Trump Republican and couldn't beat a potted plant." - Reason
Feels a lot like somebody's floundering for a narrative or a plan.
Reason has fully given into the leftist narrative without thought. Even in races mcconnel spent 10x more on the candidate than trump did, they blame trump. It is sad and quite frankly pathetic.
They ignore the true issues. In the remaining uncalled races we have seen a slow increase in dem votes even races where Republicans were far ahead. These long vote counts appear to always help the dems.
Plus the continued low signature verification and no actual validation of mail in votes remains. Even sunny hostin admitted to voting as her son who was away at college. There is no reason he would have mailed his ballot to her to turn in.
We are seeing a system rife with abuse and open to fraud. We also see captured media and election boards.
How a libertarian throws away criticism of democrats and chooses and utter contempt for an individual instead is mind boggling.
Blah blah blah, leftist narrative, blah blah blah.
We could program a bot to replace your stupid fucking commentary easily enough.
A bot would surely be more original though
Truth isn't "original" and new, it's just obvious.
Widespread election fraud is as empty of proof as interstellar space is empty of atmosphere.
No matter how many times facts remain stubbornly against this conspiracy theory, true believers just won’t accept reality.
Rs lost because they focused on the culture war issues that most people disagree with instead of the fiscal responsibility issues that people agree with.
In a pocketbook election, Rs chose to pick a culture fight. And, amazingly, when the Rs were shooting themselves in the foot, Ds managed to stay out of the line of fire.
Except that we're all watching it right now. Real time. You have to be delusional or a shill not to look at week long "counts" and say "This is normal".
You have to be delusional or a shill to ascribe a slow vote count to widespread voter fraud with no evidence except that you preferred candidate is getting overtaken. Do you have any proof? Or are you just butt-talking again?
Why don’t you two faggots go away somewhere and fuck? Oh wait, you only fuck little children.
You fucking incel scumbag. Qanon LOSER. Nice intelligence you show here. Are you capable of original thought or does Daddy Trump tell you what to think 24/7?
Fuck off you pedophile shitbag, and quit sockpuppeting.
Ban evading piece of shit.
We could program a bot to replace your stupid fucking commentary easily enough.
...
A bot would surely be more original though
OK, you and VoteQuimby claimed you could do it "easily enough". How long will it take for you to program a functioning JesseAz-bot? I wanna see it.
Im not an expert, but should be more functional than the current JesseAz-bot.
"He's a Bot!!"
Say's a fifty-centing, sockpuppeting Shrike.
Hey, cuntboy...you make stupid observations about your master and that's about all you got other than insults. You fucking lowlife troll. Go back to r/conspiracy and believe some more fantasy bullshit
Do you still get fifty-cents for flameouts, Shrike?
Anybody, including literal retards, can come up with specifications and talk smack about how well their program functions... or should function.
So where's the "JesseAz-bot brought to you by VoteQuimby and raspberrydinners"? Dinners said you could do it and you keep saying it would beat JesseAz. Where is this marvelous product of your brain trust?
Hell, for now I'll accept just an ETA. Do you guys even have a deadline or ETA you can commit to? How long will it take for you two to build a bot that's better than JesseAz? 6 hours? 12? 48? A week? How about a week? A month? 6 mos.? What?
Okay, Bot.
They’rve given up any semblance of a libertarian magazine.
Just gotta read the right places.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/surprise-nobodys-coming-to-save-us
When has anyone (including Reason) called DeSantis a "Trump republican" since, well, he stopped being a Trump Republican?
That is only evidence that JD Vance is a potted plant. Electoral choices between two potted plants can be quite confusing
DJ Lance? DJ Lance?
DJ Lance?
DJ Lance?
As a Nazi white supremacist racist extremist right-winger, I just want to know when we're supposed to start the rioting, looting, burning, and murdering over the results of the elections. I haven't heard from my leaders what they have planned but I know for sure it's coming, everybody says so.
It is interesting to note that since the Inauguration of President Biden we have not seen any real mass demonstrations and the often-accompanying riots. I think the American people know that they have a President that cares about them. That doesn't think Nazis are good people too. A President that does have concerns about the people no matter what their ethnicity, race or religion.
Or it could be that the mentally ill babies who riot when they dont get their way...got their way.
R's win something, and its tantrums, riots, looting. D's win and all of that goes away
Sounds like they are sending a clear, and consistent message. Democrats HAVE to win or 'democracy is dead' and we will burn your cities.
Let's see what happens if the student loans don't get forgiven.
Sure - they will blame Republicans, but never democrats. And they will certainly never blame themselves for taking out a loan that is completely unreconcilable with a gender studies degree and starbucks career.
Yeah, those losers at the Capital are definitely mentally ill. Good call!
Somehow the footprints on Pelosi's desk and selfies taken with Capitol Police dont really match up to the broken glass, burnt down buildings, and decimated city blocks the left was responsible for.
Uh huh. One group literally trying to stop the democratic process from taking place is nothing compared to busted up Targets and shoe stores. Both of these groups were horribly wrong in their actions. End of story.
I see you remain as retarded as ever shrike.
I see you knuckle-dragged yourself out of bed this morning. Nice work.
Ouch. Bet that took a lot of thought.
Fuck yourself, incel. Lord knows nobody else will. Partisan garbage peddler.
Hard talk coming from an actual Open Society fifty-center.
"One group literally trying to stop the democratic process"
I see your Jan 6 selfie debacle and raise you the Trump inauguration riots.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html
Still holding on to my Kavanagh confirmation attack on the senate card.
Pretty sure the difference between the 2 is obvious to anybody who isn't retarded so I'll just leave it at that.
No, go ahead. If the difference is so obvious then you shouldn’t have a problem pointing it out.
Unless, of course, you’re full of shit and don’t actually have an argument… are you full of shit, Shrike?
Our rioters were more respectable than their rioters, isn't exactly a great argument. It's true just again not a great argument.
More respectable, or just not as good at rioting? It might not be readily apparent...
Fuck off to Russia, you traitorous Nazi scumbag. A coup is a coup. A protest is a protest. Only an out and out fascist would pretend there is some equivalence to be drawn.
So the Democrats stage demonstrations and looting happens when they lose, and the Republicans cry "you cheated!" like a four year old and maybe storm the Capitol. Sounds like sane people shouldn't be supporting either of them.
This is correct
"Sounds like sane people shouldn’t be supporting either of them."
Amen.
For about the 835, 497th time, Trump SPECIFICALLY excluded the white supremacists from his "good people" thing. In, like the same sentence the "good people" line came from. He believed there were people who might disagree about taking down Confederate statues who weren't racists. I think that's true, too; even though I disagree with those people, it doesn't make them all evil.
Trump sucks, but so does lying about him.
"Trump sucks"
So why defend him, just move on.
Why do you defend a total potted plant in the Oval Office?
Stop defending him, just move on.
Trump does suck. And that's fine! He makes everyone in DC (and everyone in DC is a socialist) squirm, and so he's totally worth it. DC sucks way more than Trump. If the Russians nuked it, I would feel relieved! That's how bad DC sucks. So trolling the garbage in DC with Donald Trump is just... a pleasure really.
Because the truth is important, especially when it's unpopular. I imagine Emmet Till would have liked to have a few supporters, even when he was quite unpopular.
Yup. Because people need to be able to differentiate criticism of a message or narrative from defense of the target of that message or narrative.
Yes, the truth is important and if the person says, "Trump sucks" but then is defending him then I question the truth of the statement "Trump sucks".
And yet…Biden has been comparably as bad (on some different issues and some of the same) and Oh No! Joe is the best thing since sliced bread! so I too question just how sincere the Orange Man Bad critiques (and already DeSantis is Worse!) truly are. Perhaps just something objective instead of feelings would be nice.
I like to be reality based, not opinion based. I try very hard not to let my opinion of someone or something interfere with perceiving the truth about that person or thing. That shouldn't be hard to understand, or controversial.
Tell me that Hitler was an abomination because of all the blood on his hands, and I agree with you. Tell me Hitler was a lizard person and I'm going to point out that you are an idiot. Does that make me a Hitler sympathizer?
Maybe stop peddling fucking bullshit that even Snopes admits is false.
Support for the Confederacy, an armed uprising against the legitimate government of the United States in an attempt to protect the enslavement of black people, is an excellent indicator of sympathy for racism.
It's like saying you deny the Holocaust and believe the Rockefellers secretly control the world (or at least the US), but you aren't anti-semitic.
Wave a Confederate flag and you're admitting that, at the very least, you are racist-adjacent. Start spouting Lost Cause narratives about states rights as the reason for the Civil War and you are an apologist. Call the Civil War the "War of Northern Agression" and claim Lincoln was the bad guy and you are fully immersed in the racist delusions about the Civil War.
Follow that with beliefs about BLM being full of rioters, blacks being more criminally inclined than whites, and January 6th being no big deal compared to BLM and you have removed all doubt.
If you assume that pro-minority organizations are inherently (and dominantly) criminal, you are not only factually incorrect, you are letting your bias drive your beliefs.
Shorter--> tell me you're a racist without saying you're a racist.
The Biden cares is an interesting comment
I laughed out loud at the comment. It sounded like something OBL would've posted 3 weeks ago.
The left are the nazis. Full control. Attempted attacks on the Supreme Court. Mowing down conservatives in their cars.
The SS didn't kill their own people shrike.
Sounds like you have a baaaaaaad case of LDS. Which is a fitting acronym in a couple of ways as I assume you are a religious zealot
A bad case of being Mormon? Shrike, you are such a nitwit, and a bigot to boot.
Religion is great...as long as you keep that bullshit away from me.
So you can continue kiddie diddling, Shrike?
No, because people who believe in fake things aren't people I tend to surround myself with. You know; election deniers, God believers, Modern-Monetary Theorists
Whoa, whoa whoa! Is Stacy Abrams an election denier? Is Joe Biden a MMT (Debt is irrelevant, just print more money)? Is Warnock now an Atheist? Just asking for clarification.
Isn't becoming a reverend some sort of unwritten requirement for being a black Democratic leader? I'm not sure it matters much what your theology is or how many illegitimate children you have.
The entire Dem party were election deniers after Hillary lost. So? Does that make it any less stupid that the GOP tried the same shit 4 years later? You assume I care about Stacey Abrams, I do not because she is a lunatic. And how else can you explain Biden’s inflationary printing other than he was talked into by the progressive MMT believers in the party?
Biden’s inflationary printing is just business as usual. Doubt anyone needed any talking into it.
"Doubt anyone needed any talking into it."
Yup. We've run increasingly massive deficits since Reagan took office, with a very short breater during the Clinton administration.
Jesus, can we stop with the Nazi bullshit already? None of them are Nazis, except for the inbred dumbasses actually walking around with swastikas. All of them are fucking authoritarians.
You know who else dealt heavily in Nazi bullshit?
This article is correct about Trump, but to say that Biden is a president that “cares about them” is laughable. Biden has given them $5 gas and raging inflation and shrugs off the pain that has caused. Biden cares about progressives on Twitter and that’s all.
Biden “cares about them” like a pedophile cares about children.
Decided to pick up OBL's banner , eh?
Holy fuck are you stupid.
What does Biden's dick taste like? And do you have to shampoo first?
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Except for the 80M semi-fascists.
"President that cares about them"..
Wow; You left-leaners sure love GUNS against those 'icky' people for your own UN-EARNED benefit.
Gov-GUNS can't 'care' for people in any other aspect than to ensure the peoples Individual Liberty (freedom) and Justice for all ... because ... GUNS don't create resources.
And stop being so ignorant about the FACT that the only thing 'government' is; is a monopoly of GUN-Forces.
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None of that is necessary, because I’m informed by democrat media outlets that court challenges, and even just questions are now literal violence and insurrection.
"Stand back and stand by."
I think the 2022 midterm shows the desire for moderation. The people want two competing parties offering ideas on governing. It is hard to see the Fetterman/Oz race as one of moderation, but the winner was the candidate that offered ideas, even if the ideas are not best.
The strength of the reaction to Dobbs also supports the idea that freedom is important. The American people have shown a willingness to accept moderate abortion restrictions in the past but not a complete ban. The 2022 vote again showed this to be the case.
In 2016 the Trump message was "try me, what have you got to lose". and the American people said yes. In 2020 the American people responded saying "no thanks we are done". Republican have been ignoring that message and it cost them in 2022. Hopefully 2024 will bring the end of the Trump cult and instead two parties again with competing ideas on governing.
… the winner was the candidate that offered ideas, even if the ideas are not best.
Bad ideas are preferred.
Good intentions are way more important than actual outcomes. No one should pay a price for unintended consequences or naivete.
'Unicorns and blowjobs for all' utopia sounds like a great idea. The problem is the govt couldn't make a sign advertising said utopia without paying 5x the cost, with oversight by multiple bureaucrats, and said sign wouldn't be made until after the utopia was tried&failed.
So apparently 'ideas' that have no basis in reality but promise impossible free shit at no cost, that continue to fail, are preferable to 'leave people alone and cut taxes'
Also, you might regret BJs provided by the government. Especially when it's your turn to do your fair share.
2022 did not show that retard. They showed 70% of people having the oath the country was on but still voting for a party over their own beliefs. It shows an idiocy and a cult following to major media.
Major media was predicting a red wave, people did not really listen.
These kids today just don't listen. It's like they blame all the older people for the setting the country on fire and now they have to deal with it.
R+13 ages 65 & older
R+11 ages 45-64
D+2 ages 30-44
D+28 ages 18-29
This really isn't anything new. I am Gen X and we did the same thing when we were young. Now, we voted +11 for Republicans. Why? Because when you're young you don't have as many responsibilities. You're used to others taking care of you (you just left your parents house, may be in college, etc, where someone else is responsible for most of your daily life). At that time you tend to be more open to collectivists ideals. Around about 30 life starts hitting you in the mouth. Your priorities change. You have a spouse, kids, started building some equity. Notice that group is only +2 D. Then, you reach your 40s. You may own a house. Your kids are older, so your considering their prospects after they leave home. You've worked your way into a level of fiscal security and independence. And, we see that age bracket is +11 R. Why? Because you've realized that collectivists ideals do not actually benefit anyone. Independence is the key to success. You realize that the only way for government to make things fair is by taking away from one person to give to another, and you realize that you are the people they are going to take away from. You have earned some wealth. You have earned a steady paycheck. You've realized that credit isn't free and have worked to pay off the high credit you took in your youth. You want a world that rewards your kids for their work, not gives them something or punishes them, for something they can't control. You've developed pragmatism and cynicism. You've come to realize that happiness isn't only how much money you have. You've realized that spending more money doesn't fix what's broken in the system. You've dealt with the government enough that you realize it's more often than not, a detriment rather than a benefit to success. Basically, you've realized that collectivism is a Trojan horse. You realize that disagreement doesn't equal hate. That the world isn't black and white, but a spectrum of gray. You've realized that popular media is full of vapid idiots. You've realized that your parents aren't to blame for everything. You've realized everything has trade offs, that the activists never mention.
Now, add into this the social engineering that has gotten way worse over the years and is it any surprise that voting trends go the way they do?
I mean this is such an old paradigm that even Churchill spoke on it.
I am familiar with Churchill saying and note that Churchill was both brilliant and a retrograde at the same time. Depending on what side of the colonization line you were on.
I understand your point but would say that your explanation is a bit too convenient. I am a baby boomer and our generation benefited from many things the government provided. Many in my generation would now pull in the government ladder and say to the younger generation, you should make it on your own. It is natural to become more conservative as you age, but elements of your youth remain with you. I still like rock music, something my parents' generation did not like. I think little of living in a diverse community my parents would have found uncomfortable. Today's young people will age and become conservative, but in their own way and not just like the last generation did.
That's the problem right there. You think the government helped you, most people realize that any help from the government is more than offset by the harm the government causes.
"any help from the government is more than offset by the harm the government causes"
I am skeptical of government, but claiming that any government is more bad than good is advocating anarchy (literal anarchy, not figurative).
There is a point at which government does more harm than good, but it isn't the first moment government exists, nor the first moment it acts.
A government that protects the individual liberty of citizens while creating simple, basic rules of commerce, managing a non-agressive national defense, and refraining from elevating the religious over the secular would be ideal.
I would propose that protecting rights (especially speech) is more important than the others, but that's because I think that free speech and a free press are prerequisites for free people.
Sixty-eight percent of unmarried women favored Democrats in the U.S. House midterm elections compared to 31 percent who favored Republicans, according to exit poll data.
In comparison, 52 percent of unmarried men favored Republicans over 45 percent who favored Democrats.
For married men, 59 percent said they supported a Republican candidate compared to 39 percent who supported a Democrat, while 56 percent of married women supported a Republican candidate compared to 42 percent who supported a Democrat.
The strength of the reaction to Dobbs also supports the idea that freedom is important.
And yet, somehow, those governors who imposed the worst Covid lockdowns got rewarded. Obviously freedom isn't really important to those voters. Just a con job over abortion.
Difference being one is far more *PERSONAL* than the other.
I live in Delaware, less than 10 minutes from Maryland and Pennsylvania and 20 minutes from New Jersey. Those have to be four of the more strict states during the early days of Covid, but your hysterical description of "Covid lockdowns" bears no resemblence to my experiences.
Between work, shopping, and entertainment I regularly went to all 4 states (although Jersey the least, only once every couple months or so) and I never experienced the hellscape you are trying to portray.
Comparing abortion restrictions to Covid protocols is hyperbole. It is comparing mountains and molehills, vis-a-vis personal liberty. Covid restrictions were temporary, abortion bans are (if Rs get the choice) permanent. Covid restrictions eased over time (not so with abortion bans). Covid was an actual danger to people, abortion is not.
Abortion bans are a direct and intentional effort to restrict freedom, permanently. Covid restrictions were a temporary effort to mitigate a pandemic. Covid restrictions were virtually non-existant two years after the pandemic started. Abortion bans will not ease. They will not disappear. They are a permanent restriction on individual liberty.
And voters recognize the difference, even if the paleocon crowd doesn't. Which is why the red wave that should have been, wasn't.
Fighting the culture war in a pocketbook election was just begging to lose. Voters gave Rs what they asked for. And our fiscal future is bleaker because of it.
The winner was a brain damaged idiot that is to the left of a Bernie Sanders. But hey, Stalin had ideas too, right? And he was probably a ‘moderate’ in your eyes too.
"The victory in Pennsylvania of Democrat John Fetterman, the stroke-addled candidate who turned in a disastrous debate performance over Dr. Mehmet Oz, suggests that a potted plant could beat a Trump Republican."
True, but it also reinforces my longstanding view that Democratic voters are straight up lying when they claim to oppose rich privileged straight white cis-males. Which is why I always expected Hoodie McStrokebrain to win.
"With a little luck, Republicans will claim a razor-thin majority in the House"
This part, however, I wasn't expecting. A halfway competent opposition party would have secured a House majority large enough to be obvious by the next day. Can't believe it's been almost a week and the best the GOP can hope for is narrow control.
#Pathetic
Did the Pennsylvania Senate primary have any candidates that were not straight white males? It hard to pick a different candidate if they are not offered.
I mean, maybe I am profiling but it sure looks like a black man was running against Fetterman in the primaries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_Senate_election_in_Pennsylvania
My bad, I thought it was just Fetterman and Lamb.
Lamb would have been a much better candidate because he is a moderate. Kenyatta Johnson is a Philly City Council member and makes Fetterman look mainstream.
This is actually a case where the potted plant did win.
I think Fetterman could and should have dropped out at any time and replaced by someone that isn't a potted plant.
Fetterman's Dem primary opponent, Conor Lamb, is a centrist who would have easily beaten Oz. Lamb is better no question but the Senate makeup would not have changed.
Speaking of braid-dead plants Herschel Walker should drop out.
You'd love that, you racist.
Please, Shrike, tell us again how you managed to get back here after being banned for posting links to kiddie porn.
Now you're saying they were "links to"?
You might want to let AlphaBetaBoy know the new narrative!
How else would you post it?
How should I know? I was hoping to learn what had/had not happened from the "all the evidence" AlphaBetaBoy repeatedly alludes to, but as you know, that "rich depository of proof" completely fails to say anything substantive about it.
What he does say is, "posted kiddy porn to this site", which ITL has now taken to mean "posting links to" it (after eventually learning that it is impossible to post anything directly to this site).
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Don’t forget Kathy Barnett on the R side either. But just a Female POC, easy for the woke liberals to forget.
She was charging hard at the end. I feel like if her surge had started a couple weeks earlier she might have been the one neck-and-neck with Oz for the nomination, not McCormack.
The gop is leading most of the remaining races. But once again the slow count is slowly tipping it back to democrats as the media calls it all normal.
It's sad watching otherwise sane people completely embrace and support obviously illegitimate elections because Trump offends their delicate sensibilities
The people who bitched about Russia in 2016 were fuxking dupes. Just like you are now.
Oooo does this mean the media will run illegitimate election stories non-stop for the next 6 years? (Trump elected in 2016 and Russian interference stories still being put out). Asking for a friend.
Their ballot printers don't seem to be as fast as their money printers. 🙂
‘Election fortification’ rules make it exceedingly easy for the democrats to put their finger on the scale after the election as needed. Let’s not pretend that a large and growing number of races are legitimate anymore.
It takes time to fabricate enough ballots to ensure the win.
I'm no fan of Trump or Republicans, but this article greatly overstates the case. Quite a few "Trump Republicans" won House and Senate seats.
Won in non-competitive races. Also, if you are no fan of Trump, then why bother defending him? Just move on.
Because it is more important to get facts and narratives right than it is to soothe your ego, M4E.
If there is one thing about the failure of the GOP that annoys me most, it is the opportunistic lefties who suddenly feel emboldened to share their most vapid analysis like a bunch of "I told you so" kindergartners.
Not to mention from a “libertarian”magazine that has barely had an analysis or point of principle right since the mid-20teens.
Culturally? Maybe. Fiscally? Definitely right-of-center. So what do you call someone who is culturally "liberal" and fiscally "conservative"?
I'm sure I've heard the term before. Help me out here.
"Because it is more important to get facts and narratives right than it is to soothe your ego, M4E."
Thank you! If you're speaking the truth as a libertarian, you will be catching flack from left and right. I will gladly point out when someone distorts the truth to attack someone I loathe, but to the partisans that means I'm choosing one of their sides.
I hope you maintain that loyalty to the facts when talking about both sides.
You mean you hope I am better than you? Thanks. But how about not worrying about others, and trying to improve yourself. Why constantly attack other people instead of moving on?
Like in NY?
Republicans are going to win 4+% more votes nationally than Democrats. Zeldin lost but he had the best showing of any Republican for Governor in New York in over thirty years. Republicans lost Rhode Island but had their best showing in over two decades. The same plays out time and again across multiple districts that went Biden +10 in 2020. Republicans made big gains with minorities, married women, whites with college degrees etc. They made large gains in 30-40 year olds and 40-65 year olds, i.e. millennials and Gen X (outright won Gen X).
Basically, people are basing analysis on win loss, which is important but it's also important not to overanalyze win loss without looking at the underlying data. Republicans need to twerk some things, not throw out the playbook entirely. Their outreach is working. Now, it's a matter of changing their red zone offense. How to get it over the goal line.
As for Trump, I think he eats up to much oxygen. He, intentionally or not, makes it about him (I think it's a little of both, he loves the limelight while the media loves to focus on him). The party needs to move past him as the flag bearer. Not past him on policy or willingness to fight back (but do need to modify how they fight back, more strategically). The party also needs to move past McConnell and Graham. Find a way to unify more. They have plans, but need to have an unified message. Something like Newt's Contract with America in 1994. It was something concrete that the candidates could point to. That's important because it's a way of pushing back against opponents talking points (which the media is going to largely parrot). It is something to point to to say you're misrepresenting our plan. Make it available on line and have candidates link to it.
Another reason Trump and McConnell both need to go is because they both spent time and energy attacking Republican candidates instead of the Democrats.
Finally, have a strategy for early voting and mail in. It cannot be all about ending them either, because that is unlikely to happen. But they can chip away at the Democratic friendly rules.
When you can't win a map that favors your part,y in a midterm election where the other party holds the White House, in an economic environment that is caustic to the party in power, and with a deeply unpopular President, saying "we did better than before" is like telling a QB who threw 5 interceptions that his completion percentage outside the numbers between 10 and.20 yards was better than before.
Rs couldn't even hold all of the red-leaning districts. In four deep red districts (one each in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Missouri), the Republican didn't even reach 55%. One deep red district in Texas barely cleared 55%. The Ds didn't lose any lean-blue districts. And with the exception of a 1% margin by an incumbent in Wisconsin, every Senate candidate underperformed.
Republicans have good ideas in the fiscal realm. Run a campaign on deregulation, lower middle-class (less than $100k) taxes, and balancing the budget and they win going away. But the culture war is a loser.
The R's reaction to Dobbs gave the election away. Banning abortion will lose young people in numbers that will reverberate through the next decade or two.
And for God's sake, stop telling people that you didn't lose, the other side cheated. Voters get irked when they send a message and it is completely ignored.
I think there is a bit of spiking the football going on
I was sensing some bias in the article.
You mean because it used the word "cult" five times?
That's no way to refer to the "differently addled".
Even an unpotted plant can win when they have the Ds ready to cheat to win.
And the Ds are ready. And will continue to cheat until there are consequences for their actions.
Show some proof fuckhead.
All you idiots like to parrot this shit but we still have no proof.
Hell, if they were cheating don't you think they'd do better than narrowly scraping a majority in the senate and probably losing the house?
Can you follow 1+1 to 2 or is that too much logic? Because you're certainly not showing any here.
You mean like 186,000 votes coming in at 3:00 in the morning, without a single vote for anyone else , and then the vote trajectory resuming its previous trajectory?
Go back to r/conspiracy and criclejerk with the rest of the cultists.
That’s your rebuttal? Please work with more than feelings.
Show me anything that confirms 186K votes, all for a single candidate/party, came in as you stated.
Shitlunches rides again.
Do you consider the DNC funding undesirable Republican candidates to be cheating?
Hey, Democrats are too noble to do underhanded shit like that, unless they have to save democracy.
Do you?
Repiblicans voted for them. And the Dems didn't lie about the extreme candidates. They just highlighted the elements of each candidate that the "own-the-libs" base of the Republican party love and let the enthusiasm of the paleos do the work for them. Work smarter, not harder.
This is what happened when I played games with my son when he was a toddler: every time he lost, he'd accuse me of cheating. No basis, no actual cheating, losing was enough proof. Because he was a toddler. Get it?
It may be that the main reason Republicans had disappointing results in the last election is that, despite the many and significant flaws of the Democrats, they're sick of having toddlers be in charge of stuff.
Funny how all the malfunctioning tabulators were in conservative districts in Arizona when the person in charge of those tabulators is a liberal. No accusations merely observations.
Okay, see you in court.
Oh, wait...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Are there discrepancies? Sure. Could shenanigans take place? I suppose. But where is the evidence?
They have none. Never have. They are brainwashed
why do people like you want to defend the leftists democrats?
Saying Donald Trump is a vile piece of shit is not defending leftists. Donald Trump can be a vile piece of shit and progressive policy can suck at the same time. These are nit mutually exclusive.
apparently you can't separate his personality from his policies. i could not give one shit about his tweets or the things he may say as long as what he does --- the policy -- is good. is that too difficult for you?
Yeah, his policy sucked for the most part. Please do give a list of his accomplishments in office. Operation Warp Speed is one and his one people disavow that one. I will give him a great deal of credit for not embroiling us in a new war as Biden has done with Ukraine. Other than that...I thought his policy was garbage. Not a big fan of tariffs amd economic nationalism because I believe in free trade. Like actual free trade. He doesn't. He printed a shitload of money right after COVID too. I believe 4.5 trillion in stimulus? Not my kind of thing.
Then throw a citation up. "Not making accusations", "asking for a friend"....you coward
Right. So people who believe wrong ideas and say crude things are too immature to vote. Is that how you protect democracy?
Your obsession with Trump is going to cost us all. We’re living in progressive hell because y’all can quit a megalomaniacal loser.
Because Liz Cheney and co. would have prevented all of this?
What exactly do “Maga republicans” stand for that that conservatives shouldn’t? Heck, that libertarians shouldn’t, considering the alternative?
Trump and his tiresome election bullshit. And his constant bullying of other republicans. That’s what separates the MAGAs.
Independents - who may actually outnumber democrats Ind republicans these days - are tired of Trump’s petulant child behavior and unfiltered arrogance. His 15 minutes are over.
Y’all had a midterm election against the party lead by the most incompetent president ever against the backdrop of the results of his terrible policies and you barely broke even. The party needs a policy beyond “Trump wuz robbed” because people are tired of it. And him.
Maga Republicans stand for a loyalty to a leader rather than to principles. Conservatives left these ideas behind when Buckley and other broke with the John Birchers.
What was Coumo’s appeal to people? Stacy Abrams?
Stacey Abrams got her ass kicked twice. The second time worse than the first. She has no appeal to anyone.
Now do Black Jesus.
Can you list them? Or the potential conservative alternatives?
Or are you just saying conservatives shouldn’t actually be conservative?
Because from what I can tell, the populist backlash that swept trump into office was people in both parties being completely ignored by their own politicians.
MAGAs being “mean” to other republicans was often all about calling them out for their weakness and hypocrisy and holding them accountable.
Check out the Tories in the UK for an example of what happens to “conservatives” when they constantly bow to the leftward drifting Overton window.
They become Brexitloons?
Do you have a conservative argument for being in the EU?
And no, what the Tories did was take the mandate from the people and cockblock the transition in every conceivable manner they could. Whilst hastening the immigration and wokefication of every thing, and locking down good and hard. The only distinguishing feature between Tory and labor is they aren’t as openly communist.
You have quite a strange view of the Tories' priorities.
The Tories have always been more "liberal" than Republicans, but UKIP effectively usurped the old Conservative Party in December 2019 and has been "leading" the Brexit transition ever since.
(I hope you're not confused by the Conservatives' traditional colour being blue...)
I don’t think we can have honest elections until the left in this country is put down.
In before the incel cultists!
Wasn’t it married people who skewed Republican?
^ this.
The sad incels went heavily for Biden. They are pathetic lonely spinsters who ironically think abortion is the most important thing despite the fact that 1) no one wants to fuck them and 2) even if they did they are probably getting too old to get pregnant anyways.
Married folks that are actually fucking went heavy R
Fuck Biden voters too. Not a fan
Lol. The false cries of a democratic cosplaying as a libertarian. 99% of your posts are in one direction. Your defense of the left is in about 25% of them shrike.
You are correct, I only chose to start commenting here because you and you band of r/conspiracy Trump loyalists are so absolutely fucking annoying on EVERY.SINGLE.ARTICLE. I've already done the Obama cultists for over 8 yeaars, now it's you true believer weirdos that I want to focus on.
Sounds familiar! I've been a libertarian since 1991, and suddenly, in Reason comments, I'm a leftist because I won't suck Trump's cock.
It's always been enjoyable to watch the partisans freak out about it too. My 1st POTUS vote went for Harry Browne because Billy Clint was and is slime and Bobby D was an ancient, out-of-touch social conservative. It;'s fun confusing your friends too as you pivot from railing against Dubya straight into talking about how awful Obama is and pointing out that he emboldened some of Dubya's worst policies. People sure seem to like to choose something and stick with it no matter what.
Hey Shrike, are you and your sock done yet? I figure you need to take a break soon to watch more kiddie porn.
Incel
Working class voters voted nore Republican than they did four years ago.
https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/hispanic-and-working-class-voters
Hey, I'm trying to insult some people here. Sorry to imply that ALL GOPers are incels, it is the subset of r/conspiracy folks here that I am speaking of.
How can you be in before yourself shrike. Tell us about how great Biden is economically again.
Joe Biden is a pile of shit. He was a pile of shit in the 80's, 90's 2000's, 2010's and now the 2020's. If you want me to educate you on his many, many failings as a senator and what a fraud he was running his bullshit woke campaign, I have the goods. An 80 year old man getting ready to die and now pretending he cares about the poor people of the world after he spent his career sponsoring bills to lock them in jails or kill them overseas. Fuck Joe Biden. The guy only won his 1st race due to mafia help. He's a scumbag and always has been. Fuck Joe Biden. Just because I believe all those things does not make the current GOP a palatable alternative.
“Cheater Joe” also only barely graduated from law school (for various reasons)–which is the main historical reason I had always mocked him.
Of course, the very idea that cheating on university exams is somehow politically disqualifying is so pre-2016...
Not to mention the plagiarism!
Married men broke Republican by 20 pts
Married women broke R by 14 pts
Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts
But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"
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Is Zeldin a good example? I was under the impression that it was surprise that he was that close in the first place.
A cult following fails to attract voters dismayed by Democratic policies.
Hmmm. Vote for more “dismayed by Democratic policies” or a reality-dodging Cult of Trump?
When JD Tuccille calls you a cult it is time to get de-programmed. Looking at you, Peanuts.
edit - Not implying "Democratic policies" are worthy of your vote. They aren't. But Democratic policies are normal in the realm of bad politics (thanks for that PJ) and the Cult is fucking scary to your average voter.
Not implying “Democratic policies” are worthy of your vote. They aren’t.
Wrong! You said bad things about Trump and that means you're a Democrat! Liar! Liar! You support Democrat policies! You said so when you were mean to Trump! It's the same thing! Being mean to Trump is support for Biden! Liar! You voted for Biden! You wanted this! Liar! Don't say otherwise! Liar! Liar!
/JesseAZ, ML, R Mac, and the rest
Glad to see you’re oaks with Kiddie Raper now. This suits you. Maybe he can share some of his browser history with you.
If we're all peanuts, then that should make you a fucknut, Shrike.
Remember when Romney said you could write off 47% of the electorate because they were going to vote Democrat no matter what? I think that figure needs updated to about 51% of the electorate. Look at Florida and DeSantis' "bright spot" of a 20 point win. 40% of the Florida voters preferred Charlie Crist even after all they've seen out of both DeSantis and Crist. How the fuck do you explain that?
I think that can probably be true for a lot of voting both parties right now. As this article talks about Fetterman was a vote that was a no matter what to a lot of folks. I don't even know if I really care that's how they vote, I'm not a fan of OZ but I'm really embarrassed for the folks that voted fetterman didn't at least get a replacement that can speak if you're going to be unwavering on how you cast your ballot could we at least demand someone who can do the job?
I don't know, I think Congress now needs to pass the Fetterman rule to comply with the ADA. All bills must be available to read for 72 hours before a vote. Otherwise Congress is discriminating against Fetterman's disability.
If Fetterman doesn't recover, he will be replaced. It's no big deal.
That's been the plan all along, hasn't it?
President Biden raised eyebrows when he said that Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman's wife would be a "great lady in the Senate".
Rolling Stone reporter Kara Voght tweeted and deleted a post calling Gisele the "de facto candidate" for her husband's U.S. Senate campaign. Voght’s updated tweet changed the description of Mrs. Fetterman from "de facto candidate" to "key surrogate for her husband" in his campaign, seemingly to downplay the impression that John Fetterman is incapable of leading the campaign.
Biased media and low info voters. I think the Dobbs ruling and how the media attacked all republicans over it in a dishonest way was the biggest shift.
Well, it was an honest way. Saying that the decision was taken from the Federal courts and given to the states is dishonest.
The decision about abortion used to be an infividual's to make and now it's the government's.
Roe protected individual liberty. Dobbs allows government to coerce individuals.
Hopefully there will be a codification of the Roe structure legislated. Or at least a compromise at 20 weeks.
Government doesn't belong in between patients and their doctors. Government doesn't belong in the morality game, period.
Probably because Desantis is a fucking culture war fuckhead with no real ideas just like the rest of his party?
I think the better question is how much fucking in the ass Republican voters will take until they wake the fuck up and realize that they're useful idiots for the rich to amass ever more wealth.
Yes, yes...this is all true. Let's not forget to mention that DeSantis is completely fine with using his state government to interfere with private business if they do not support him 100% and publicly. Using your state's economic policy as a cudgel against opponents is about the least conservative thing I can imagine.
He won working-class voters by iver 30 points.
How is DeSantis' numbers a relevant reply to VoteQuimby's criticism of DeSantis' principles?
Don’t forget about his DOJ predawn raids on political opponents…or was that Biden?
Da fuq does that have to do with the governor using his state's economic clout to bludgeon his oppenents? Stay on topic. Maybe also address the fact that homeboy rolled all over FL SCREAMING about Biden's stimulus while doling out thise very same federal dollars to communities around Florida? Sure looked like a guy trying to buy votes with money that should never have been printed by his own admission.
You mean by taking away the one-off special tax privileges they had been granted before? Or is there something other than normalizing Disney's tax picture with all the other businesses in the state?
One-off? Disney had one of the 6 oldest special tax districts in Florida. That’s how DeSantis could target them (with only 5 other companies as collateral damage) while leaving the other 1838 soecial tax districts alone.
Yes, you read that right. There were 1844 special tax districts in Florida when DeSantis went after Disney for their speech. Now there are only 1838.
So “normalizing Disney’s tax picture with all the other businesses in the state” is a crock of shit.
Shitlunches. Your entire Marxist democrat party is lives and breathes ‘culture war’. You are the enemy within. Best you get out and never come back. Because whether it’s sooner or later, things are going to get real fucking bad for people like you.
Incel
Some slight faith in the American public returns.
Turns out bitching about problems while offering zero fucking solutions of your own isn't quite the vote getter Rs like to think it is.
It was a miss read on the part of the Republicans. They thought of the 2022 midterm election as a referendum and weren't prepared for a choice election.
It was a referendum, on abortion.
I'll give Reason a pass on this. They're probably not having a lot of sex. They didn't realize how important this was to Americans.
If the thesis of this article is true, then why did the Trump endorsed candidates win their primaries? Clearly Republican voters are tired of the "Republican Swamp." The traditional Romney, McCain, Mitch branch of the party has been underperforming for decades so let's be honest about that track record before we throw rocks at this crop of candidates. Until the party solves that problem, it will continue to underperform.
The predicted Red Wave induced numerous candidates to enter the GOP primaries in hopes they would win and reap the reward in the general election. Therefore, you had several non-Trump endorsed candidates splitting the anti-Trump vote, allowing the Trump endorsed candidate to prevail in the primary. This most certainly happened in Pennsylvania. Then the independents, who can't usually vote in party primaries, decided they had enough of Trump antics (even if they agreed with many of the Trump policies.)
The primaries largely exclude anyone but the Republicans from voting for Republican candidates, and they are not well attended, so the highly motivated Trump supporters are over-represented in the primaries and under-represented in the generals. Also, I believe the Dobbs decision came down between the primaries and the generals. I think that made some "pro-choice for me, but not for thee" types change their views on abortion since suddenly its availability went from a hypothetical, immune to voters' whims because of Roe, to an actual thing that could affect them, their wives, girlfriends, friends, and daughters.
A question to consider: Can you separate support for policies and the man? IOW, can you vigorously and enthusiastically champion Trump era policies, without supporting Trump for POTUS?
To me, this is the question Team R has to ask (and answer) in the aftermath of the midterm election.
Look at the polls of Republicans for their 2024 presidential preference. DeSantis votes are the enthusiasm for what you're describing.
What is strange to me is how Trump was and still is being tagged as the "far right." He moved the party to the left. The difference is that he stood and fought rather than the standard GOP policy of constantly ceding ground. It's ridiculous that they keep attacking Republicans as radicals while the left is exponentially shifting in a strange totalitatian direction.
"HE FIGHTS!"
Well, he loses.
If you think that Trump's MAGA army is to the left of pre-Trump Republicans, there's no help for you.
Yes. If they can get a candidate with populist policies without Trump's megalomania, they can win.
Trump himself is a non-starter. He'll always have the fanatics at his rallies, but he's lost too many others.
Question will a candidate with populist policies always be a megalomaniac? Populism usually centers on a divide and conquer strategy. The us against them. And, it is generally aimed at advancing the candidate rather than the people. Can you have populist who brings people together?
Any historic examples?
Unicorn, here is one 'X factor' to me. In the 2016 election, you knew that Trump could not be bought. He was a billionaire. He really did not give a shit.
Would a 'not-Trump Team R' candidate have the same wherewithal, and not be beholden to monied interests. Tough to say.
Does DeSantis have FU money?
Trump couldn't be "bought," but he would sell his grandmother for a quarter. I don't think being rich is a qualification, nor does it protect one from acting on one's self-interest, especially in the financial arena. In fact, lots of politicians are wealthy because they can't pass up a good grift. Trump would seem to fall into this category.
I’m fairly new to this site…what is with all these articles about the two ridiculous parties we have now and implying that one is better than the other. Or telling one party how to beat the other?
They are both atrocious and anti-liberty.
How about writing about some libertarian policy? Or writing about libertarian candidates to help spread their brand?
The majority of the writers here seem to have an axe to grind against one of the parties. What is libertarian about that? The articles are often as bad as the trite partisan drivel on Vox, Daily Caller, MSNBC, Fox, etc
You need to go to a libertarian website for that type of analysis. Reason is home to aspiring Salon writers.
Your analysis is incorrect. Reason is only mean to Republicans. Any article you see that is critical of Democrats or favorable of Republicans does not exist. If such articles existed then that would mean Reason is critical of both sides. But it is not. So ignore those articles. Everyone else does.
You’re such a fucking shrill shill.
I 100% believe you are new. Otherwise you'd have picked up on the partisanship here.
Consider, when Reason polled it's staff and management on their Presidential picks for 2020, only one person (Bob Poole) said he was voting for Trump, because Trump was (obviously) better for the country than Joe Biden. Most of the writers said they would vote Libertarian, but leaned Biden (who they voted for is between them and God I suppose), with a strong minority outright saying they would vote for Biden.
People who say they are with liberty were happily prepared to vote for JOE BIDEN. We all knew what a shitheel he was before he was elected. The fact he's a doddering, senile fool who drools on himself is just the icing on the cake.
Yeah, but...whose sock are you?
Stick around. Read more blog posts. Read the actual print magazine -- this blog isn't even Reason's main product; it's a side project.
Welcome to the comments. Wear a helmet.
There is a significant paleoconservative contingent here, mostly pro-Trump, but in the last week that unity has fractured.
There are some "classic" libertarians and independents/moderates. Those are usually labeled "leftists".
There are a few true liberals/Democrats, but not many.
There are a few sarcastic/parody accounts.
Sometimes there are substantive discussions, although a few of the better posters have shown up less and less often lately.
If you are an independent-minded, non-partisan, honest poster, please don't lose heart when the edgelords swarm. If you have a strongly-held position, keep putting it out there. The serious people will hopefully join you on a regular basis.
We also have a few international posters. It adds an interesting flavor to the casserole that is the Reason comment section.
Welcome to the jungle!
Oh, and don't be afraid to use the Mute feature. There are a few people who are either complete psychopaths, overly-enthusiastic trolls, or off their meds.
Also, we have an unabashed Holocaust-denying neo-Nazi. His name is Rob Misek and I recommend you mute him as soon as you see him post. Most people aren't that awful, though. I promise.
Subscribe to the magazine. It's about 100x better than this cesspool.
Well, this is a stupid take.
TDS does that.
I guess its plausible, or it could have been the nonstop ads they ran of masters in his own words saying "ban abortions and go after doctors" and "privatize social security"
Mark Kelly may vote with the communists 99% of the time but there's no video of him saying outright unelectable shit.
I'm sure mail-in voting had nothing to do with it and everything was 100% above board. 120% in some precincts.
A Potted Plant Could Beat a Trump Republican
Given that a potted plant could win a Democratic primary, fair.
Democrats have now elected one outright vegetable to national office now, amd previously installed one as president.
Not only Democrats--majorities of the voters.
Bullshit. The only possible explanation for Republicans losing is fraud.
A potted plant is far more intelligent than the TDS-addled pile of shit named tuccille.
Eat shit and die, asshole
Scato...you seem unusually pungent today.
SQUAWK!!!!
Clearly, it does attract working-class voters.
https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/hispanic-and-working-class-voters
So the issues and voting record dont matter to voters. It's so sad but true.
Can you imagine being such a tool of the current narrative that you made your vote based on "election deniers" being bad? Lol
Why did you put that in quotes?
no one denies that elections happen. there are no election deniers.
Lol, okay.
Pretty much spot-on assessment, which the Trump wing of the GOP will ignore at our common peril.
Massachusetts Republicans nominated a Trump-endorsed, solid conservative politician for governor, favoring him over a moderate businessman. As I sadly predicted the day after the nomination, the
Progressive SocialistDemocrat easily won.If we're going to move the country back to a bit more sanity, the true-believer conservatives are going to have to realize that politics is not about what would be perfect, but what is possible.
I am old enough to remember the last conservative governor Massachusetts had: Ed King, a Democrat who lost to Dukakis in 1982 primary. Since then, the republicans who’ve won have basically been blazer and khaki wearing Democrats. Anyone to the right of Mitt Romney has zero chance of winning Massachusetts, Trump or no Trump.
Agreed, but better Mitt or Charlie than Duval or Maura. Not much better, but at least not as bad.
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I am still trying to understand what the point of the litany of articles like this is? We get it, the entire staff wants the world to know how much they hate Donald Trump. That wasn't edgy in 2016 and it this point it is mind-numbingly boring. Hate is never going to drive change, it only stultifies the creativity and energy needed to solve problems. And this country has problems. The staff of Reason is slowly consuming the poison and hoping Trump dies.
Meanwhile the enemies of liberty could not be more obvious. Contemporary conservatives are unambiguously closer to libertarianism than liberals (orders of magnitude closer than progressives). The Democrat party is every bit as morally bankrupt and out of ideas as the Republicans. At what point does Reason grow the fuck up?
When the Republican voters do, presumably.
Getting the trains to run on time can be dealt with afterwards.
We're supposed to believe a Republican won AZ treasurer by 200,000 votes but Hobbs is winning over 50% of election day votes with a 16% Democrat election day turnout?
Yes, since the rest of the races agree, The Treasurer candidate must be unusually popular or had a bad opponent.
So literally every single independent voted for Hobbs on election day. I have a bridge to sell you.
I'd like to see this evidence
As people have been pointing out, the DNC campaign strategy has been to *collect ballots*, not get votes.
Fetterman won because by the time D's truly saw the extent of his incapacity they had already turned their ballot in.
These are election day votes!
it would help if you had ANY idea what the fuck you were talking about. in AZ, the first numbers you get are early ballots. the second number you get are day of ballots where tabulations are brought back from the precincts.... and the numbers are out there showing those in person voters were highly GOP. (the last numbers are the "late earlies" dropped off on election day or revived after the Friday before the election.)
so the whole premise of what you just said is complete BS.
It’s not about Pennsylvania, it’s about Philly. NYC, Chicago, Honolulu, Philadelphia, Portland are the top five cities that cannot pay their bills and on the verge of bankruptcy. Muni bond holders (usually in the suburbs) voted to delay the inevitable and keep getting paid. Same for NY Governor
Arizona has three counties/cities that cannot pay their bills, Phoenix is one of them.
Does anyone know what happens when defined benefit pensions cannot be funded?
Does anyone know what happens when defined benefit pensions cannot be funded?
[Looks at IL Amendment 1]
You turn control of the government over to the unions?
Correct!!!
Does anyone know what happens when the federal government cannot kick back *GRANT* cash to the unions that run the cities?
potted plant is ableist.
It leaves much to be desired as much bigotry stems from it. Time to uproot it from our public discourse.
Voters should have “no permanent allies, only permanent interests.”
When Trump was running on issues neglected by the establishment, then he was useful and voting for him made sense.
When Trump decided that appealing to voters on the issues was less interesting than a cult of personality, he became less and less useful and supporting alternatives makes sense.
I really like that maxim. I’m scribbling that down in my notes.
1. We'll ignore the Trump endorsed R's that got elected for a couple high profile ones that barely lost.
2. Because it's not the DNC that has been violating liberties, centralizing power in DC, and demonizing half the country. It's all Trump, all the time.
From the NY Post:
"Trump allowed Masters to send out a fundraising message to the former president’s donor list in late October. The split? For every dollar donated, 99 cents would go to Trump, 1 cent to Masters"
If this is true, then Masters is a fucking idiot who got what he deserved.
He was simping for Trump. He thought daddy would bring it home for him. He was wrong.
When they run a mainstream moderate establishment normie Republican never-Trumper in Arizona they lose both senate seats. See two-time loser Senator Martha McSally.
Was Blake Masters a "mainstream moderate establishment normie Republican never-Trumper"?
Right or wrong the independents have abandoned Trump and he's not getting them back.
You don't have to like it. You don't have to agree with their decision. But you do have to accept the reality.
There are candidates out there who understand the indictment delivered by voters in 2016 regarding the two major political parties and the permanent state.
Trump is not the be all and end all to continue delivering that message. And he is no longer a viable vehicle to use for that.
Unless you're a member of his cult, in which case, good luck.
Not sure what all the fuss is about, this election came out just about perfect.
1. The Democrats lost the House, so they can’t pass anything even if they go full “nuclear-constitutional” on filibusters and supermajority requirements.
2. The Republicans will only control the House by a single digit margin, so they’ll be at the mercy of people like Thomas Massie and Dan Crenshaw.
3. Trump’s botched two major elections in a row, which ought to him in the Beto-Stacey Club. But no, it’s even better: he’s got just enough strength left to lead a ruinous civil war in the Republican party.
4. The Democrats, on Nov. 7th, were preparing to replace Biden with someone more effective and therefore dangerous. This short-circuited the ambitions of their main players, and now they’ll likely run Biden in 2024 regardless of how few brain cells are left. Their downballot candidates will have to beclown themselves backing his senile ramblings the same way Republicans had to parrot Trump’s.
5. Libertarians earned a net gain in automatic ballot access for 2024, so we can spoil even better and harder next time.
It would have been nicer if the Republicans had got 51 in the Senate and thus a veto over judicial appointments. But the rest of it is pretty good. I’m looking forward to at least two years of republic-saving gridlock.
I’m less sanguine. A razor-thin House majority means you only need a few Republicans not seeking reelection to betray the party. We’ve seen it happen before and I am certain it will happen again. You cannot trust these morons.
As for Trump burning down the Republican party: what exactly do you think that accomplishes? Libertarians are not going to step in and fill the space. The Democrats will simply gain a bigger and perhaps insurmountable majority.
It’s true there could be some “betrayals”, but the only ones I would care about are something like allowing passage of the Green New Deal or another massive gimme program. That’s way less likely with McCarthy (or any other R) is charge, compared to Pelosi. Something like not getting enough votes to impeach Biden or investigate the laptop would not bother me.
There have been several times in US history when one of the major parties imploded. The result wasn’t decades of one party rule, instead there was a realignment of factions into effectively two new parties. I have no delusions that either one would be a libertarian party but things could be way better.
"a few Republicans not seeking reelection to betray the party"
That's how we got into this mess in the first place. Party uber alles. More people who choose party over constituents isn't the answer.
"As for Trump ... insurmountable majority."
Ah, yes. People should always choose who to vote against, not who to vote for. The "you can have principles when the bad guys aren't about to win" argument.
But there are always bad guys and they are always on the cusp of winning, right? So screw principles, vote for the guys that you agree with 51% of the time and against the ones you agree with 49% of the time or the whole world will implode.
Where is it written the Reps will control the House?
It’s not but it appears to be the most likely outcome.
Of course there is also the chance that they get to 218+ but there is so much infighting that they can’t agree on a speaker. It would be interesting to see the result if they (or the Democrats) get into a situation where they need crossover votes to elect a speaker. Israeli style politics where massive concessions get extracted in exchange for changing sides.
"3. Trump’s botched two major elections in a row, which ought to him in the Beto-Stacey Club. But no, it’s even better: he’s got just enough strength left to lead a ruinous civil war in the Republican party."
Yeah, the never-Trumpers will whine like hell. They can fuck off and die; worthless RINOs
At what point do you consider Trump a liability, instead of an asset? Is there a point for you, Sevo?
Still waiting Sevo.
You're asking Scato for a substantive response?
Is there any point where neocons/leftist democrats stop sending billions of taxpayer money to the most corrupt country in Europe?
That depends. Do you consider Russia to be in "Europe"?
"1. The Democrats lost the House ... filibusters and supermajority requirements."
Agreed. The 60 vote threshold is all that prevents us from ending up in a bloodmatch with legislation careening from one extreme to the other when each party gets one more vote than the other.
"2. The Republicans will only control the House by a single digit margin, so they’ll be at the mercy of people like Thomas Massie and Dan Crenshaw."
Or any other Representative who chooses their constituents over their party. Lauren Boebert barely held onto her lean-red district. If she's smart she'll start considering whether bomb-throwing is what her voters want. Anything that breaks the party-line voting is a good thing (see: Joe Manchin in the Senate).
"3. Trump’s ... got just enough strength left to lead a ruinous civil war in the Republican party."
I am interested to see how the Rs respond to the midterms. I think that they will largely shift seamlessly from Trump to DeSantis, who is a less megalomaniacal version of the same thing. I doubt it will end in a civil war. I think Rs are sick of Trump. But I don't think it will result in a reassessment of their priorities, so the culture war will remain front and center.
"4. The Democrats, on Nov. 7th, were preparing to replace Biden ... the same way Republicans had to parrot Trump’s."
I don't think Biden will run in 2024. An 80-something vs. a 40-something (Ron DeSantis) has an inevitable outcome. I think the Ds will have a choice between a moderate like Pete Buttigieg and a progressive like Gavin Newsome. I think the moderates continue to hold off the progressives, like Biden held off Bernie.
"5. Libertarians earned a net gain in automatic ballot access for 2024, so we can spoil even better and harder next time."
Anything that forces the two parties to tacj towards the center is welcome relief.
"I’m looking forward to at least two years of republic-saving gridlock."
I don't think it will be complete gridlock, since the House will be subject to turning either way based on the concerns of a small number of members in tight swing districts. But it will be much less activist. This is the ideal scenario, in my opinion. Not enough to grind everything to a halt, just enough to force both parties to convince members who have to listen to their voters, and not enough to cram extreme legislation down our throats.
I would love to see judicial appointments to go back to 60 votes once Thomas is replaced by a moderate. A 3-3 split between liberals and conservatives with x-factors like Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and another more libertarian-oriented justice would be ideal.
A Potted Plant Could Beat a Trump Republican
And yet over a hundred and forty of the hundred and seventy house seatse supported have won.
Out of 26 Senate endorsements, he's got 20
Overall, he's got an 80% success rate in the general and a 90ish success rate with primaries.
You think Trump is the problem?
How can you win with 'leaders like this--
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/us/politics/mcconnell-trump-primaries-midterms.html
On the general maybe not disastrously bad but not as good as you're making it out.
Remove all incumbents from the accounting, they are expected to have a 90+% re-election rate and even a badly wilted potted plant could pick those.
On the primaries, sure, he had a major influence. The claim is that's the problem.
Faggot never-Trumpers will support the hell out of election fraud because The Narrative of "orangemanbad's fault" validates their insecurities.
It's will vex me terribly to see that clown Fauci walk off with gold in his pockets and no accountability.
I love how the Dems and their media shills are touting the midterm results as a “big win!”. Getting a D instead of an F, and only by the skin of your teeth, is not success, and definitely not a mandate.
Well, it is a big win, when they were expected to get their clocks cleaned. It is appalling to see just how generously they were rewarded for their incompetence by the voters.
The midterms, if anything, confirmed my suspicions that Americans are a lost cause. We are too stupid, too tribalistic, and too in love with abortion. And the Democrats will run this country into the ground with no survivors.
Maybe the American people are slightly more sophisticated than you wish they were. You don't have to be "in love with abortion" to be against the government deciding for you whether you're allowed to have one.
Republicans are the party of big government now. There's no denying that unless you are willing to admit that this catch phrase was only ever about tax rates for zillionaires.
Er, the government had already decided "for you whether you’re allowed to have one", by virtue of Roe v. Wade: that answer was, "yes".
The Dobbs decision was actually the government NOT deciding "for you whether you’re allowed to have one".
that has to be the dumbest interpretation of Roe i have ever seen...... so, allowing states to completely ban abortion instead of only allowing bans after a certain point is your idea of the government "getting out of it?" a court ruling saying they can't ban it is them screwing with your freedom?
what a fucking joke you are for even saying something like that.
Apparently, the Trump-wingers aren't the only ones who are results-oriented.
I go by what's actually in the Constitution, and sometimes that's good for my interests and sometimes it's not. Roe v. Wade was utterly indefensible on Constitutional grounds--even if it was probably a good idea for other reasons.
it is valid that letting the whole thing ride on a judicial judgement and never actually codifying anything into law was wrong.
Yes, Roe did find that, and you're doing that weird thing again. Roe says government stays out of the decision. That's more freedom from government rather than less.
You seem to think that individual freedom means you get to use the government to punish people for private decisions you don't like.
These two things are not like each other!
Perhaps the Republicans should try having the face of their party be someone other than a raging asshole bully. Just a thought.
"It is appalling to see just how generously they were rewarded for their incompetence by the voters."
I don't think anyone was rewarding anything. In a balancing test between cultural restrictionists and fiscal fabulists, stopping moral self-righteousness was a more pressing priority for voters than fiscal responsibility.
As it usually is, which is why Rs push the culture war and don't get punished for fiscal irresponsibility when they have power. People prefer to wallow in the drama rather than be sensible and practical. It's the same reason that people who "play" the stock market tend to end up broke while those who invest in boring, long-term plans end up retiring early.
Americans love to play, not plan. We are the grasshopper, not the ant.
It’s about blank checks to Ukraine. We’ve switched from open borders, Covid, Climate(a bit) to the depressing fact that the U.S. taxpayer is responsible for the E.U.s security, and, has unlimited printing capability for Ukraine.
They hate the fact that Trump was right about Germany relying on Russian NG, the Paris Climate Accords. The EU should be responsible for a majority of their own security.
"A potted plant could bear a Trump Republican in jurisdictions where Democrats count the votes."
Fixed that for you.
Still going with the "stolen election" thing, I see...
“The victory in Pennsylvania of Democrat John Fetterman, the stroke-addled candidate who turned in a disastrous debate performance over Dr. Mehmet Oz, suggests that a potted plant could beat a Trump Republican”
wrong conclusion. there is no sane, breathing person with a room temperature iq who would vote for fetterman. the correct conclusion is that we have a serious problem with the electorate. the voting population is totally divided and there is virtually no voting movement between parties. democrats proved in this election that they are all complete morons. the gop should never count on getting any democrats to move and vote republican. it will never happen. this trend will continue and get worse as the government schools are cranking out loyal democrats every day. want more proof? ny and michican elected the 2 worst covid tyrants in the entire nation. that is really all the proof you need to know that democrats are mentally retarded, low iq, non-thinking morons. that’s it. the country is literally doomed. there is no hope.
But I keep hearing that we should expect a libertarian moment any day now!
yea that will never happen either.
We had the libertarian moment, it lasted for a moment. Too bad if you blinked and missed it.
But TV said to hate Trump, so it didn't count
The problematic part of the electorate is young voters and suburban single women, who are insulated from certain pandemic lockdowns (no kids of their own) and are more likely to vote on single issue topics. The GOP made gains on married people and parts of the immigrant population.
The 30-45 demo were more evenly split in the election. These people were Obama kids from the 2008 era. They were supposed to doom the GOP to minority status. The purple haired 20 year olds will be hit by reality soon, and it’ll be even uglier than the financial meltdown years.
The problem is that people increasingly see voting as voting "against" the "other" candidate, because the two major parties increasingly serve up hot garbage. We need to get to ranked choice or some other improved system if we're going to get out of this mess.
not choice ranked. that is a disaster. look at alaska and just see the mess it makes. i would not want that form of voting. i think we need to eliminate mail in ballots and early voting. we need to return to a single election day where all ballots are counted on the day of the election. mail in ballots should only be allowed under hardship like military service & the infirmed.
Gee, that doesn’t seem like it would eliminate a large swath of voters or anything. Everyone can get to the polls on voting day, after all. And if you can’t make it to the polls because you prefer to have a job or visit your relatives or be on a work trip or are disabled or any one of a thousand other valid reasons, your vote shouldn’t count anyway, right?
Of the people, by the people, and for the people doesn’t have an asterisk that says “as long as you can be at a specific place at a specific time”.
If a legal voter can cast their legal vote for the candidate of their choice, why is that a bad thing?
you sound like a lazy person. we know exactly when every election will be years in advance. if you can't manage to plan your life such that you can spare a few minutes to vote then you absolutely should not be voting.
So you should plan your entire life (and your employers’ lives, your customers’ lives, your vacations, and any other potential conflict that would bring you out of town around voting day) in anticipation of voting or you aren't worthy of having a voice?
You clearly think that the vote should be reserved for those who have the luxury, the savings, the opportunity, and the time to be at their polling place, often for hours on end.
So you don't like "the consent of the governed", but prefer the consent of the governed who can be at a specific place at a specific time.
Life rarely organizes itself around your voting schedule, so screw those people who can’t force it to, right?
"We need to get to ranked choice or some other improved system if we’re going to get out of this mess."
THIS! THIS! THIS!
Anything that forces the extremists to be answerable to the electorate is a good thing.
with the headline, i was expecting considerable butt-hurt on here.....
about what i expected.
Which was the bigger lie? The 2020 election was fraud, or January 6th was worse than 9-11?
well, the first is a flat out lie...... the second is just the type of hyperbole that has become common with partisan hacks on both sides. (not that i am aware of anyone actually making the claim that it was worse that 9-11, specifically.... so it kind of sounds like a straw man to begin with.)
so according to you it's not fraud when a state secretary of state changes election law when the us constitution states that only the state legislatures must make election law? all the resulting ballots are valid according to you? or did you sleep through the 2020 election shenanigans??
No, that's not fraud. You might want to look up the definition of fraud. You might be able to consider it cheating, if you squint and pretend a lot, but there is a difference between fraud and cheating.
Beyond that, yes, the ballots should be valid, because the people running the election said, "here's how you can vote," and the voters followed those rules. IF it turns out to be a violation of the Constitution, an appropriate remedy would be to sanction the people who made the decision, and to ensure that it's not done that way in the future, not to disenfranchise citizens who followed the rules they were given.
It seems like a lot of people are less worried about actual fraud and more about making it hard for the "wrong" kind of people to vote.
"It seems like a lot of people are less worried about actual fraud and more about making it hard for the “wrong” kind of people to vote."
ding, ding, ding...... funniest part.... they don't even know the changes resulted in more of the "wrong" people voting. it is just a red herring for them to throw out there after all the audits and investigations and lawsuits and insanity failed to find any actual fraud.
you're right it's not fraud. i used the wrong work. there were many illegal votes though because of the illegal rule changes. so wrong term used but same outcome as if there was actual fraud.
you might need to also learn the meaning of "illegal." people voting according to rules challenged and upheld by the courts, before the election even happened, are not illegal.
if the change is illegal then so are the votes. why do you hate the constitution?
if the supreme court of PA upholds the change and the supreme court of the US upholds that decision.... the rule is legal. why do YOU hate the constitution?
Statements by government officials are generally non-binding. It is your responsibility to follow the law.
Any other approach invites massive abuses of power by government officials, since they can simply go out and tell people what they want the policy to be, rather than what the law says. Which is, of course, just the abuse of power that happened in many states.
"It is your responsibility to follow the law."
the supreme court ruled they were.
I agree: people who can't be bothered to show up in person to vote on election day, to fill out their ballots correctly, and to comply with the law are "the wrong kind of people" to vote, and their votes should not be counted.
A functioning democracy relies on an active, informed citizenry, and ballot harvesting, mail-in voting, and ballot curing undermine this basic principle.
Wow. Just wow. So if you can't make it to your polling place because you are out of town, or can't take the day off to stand in line, or any one of a thousand other legitimate reasons, you shouldn't have your voice heard?
It's easy enough for me, now, because I am retired. But when I lived in Delaware and my company was based in Portland, should I have just told the CEO who flew in from Italy to postpone his trip because I had to vote? That I couldn't be in Portland because the only way I could vote was to be home?
The goal should be to have as many people as wish to vote be able to vote. Regardless of income, financial stability, work or family obligations, etc.
Legal voters casting legal votes for the candidates of their choice is the goal of democracy. As many as possible. That's the point of "one person, one vote". What possible justification is there for preventing voters from having their voice heard?
like the other guy points out..... you need to learn the definition of fraud.
there were no fraudulent ballots. there was no rigging of anything. there was no altering of counts. there were people who submitted ballots under the published rules. your weak ass winging about those rules doesn't make anything fraudulent.
you're a dumbass. the rules were invalid & illegal. in PA the secretary of state unilaterally changed the last day that votes could be received, for example. every vote that was received after the actual legal date was invalid and should not have been counted. you're right that according to the definition of the word fraud they weren't fraudulent, but they were illegal. same difference. it makes the election a joke and the outcome invalid.
"you’re right that according to the definition of the word fraud they weren’t fraudulent, but they were illegal. same difference. "
you are the dumb ass.... they are not the same thing. it is just you trying to move the goal posts when confronted with the fact that your claims of fraud are a bold faced lie.
you are also completely wrong. that change had multiple days in court and was upheld every time. no matter what your opinion is, that makes it legal. and it was all settled long before election day, so everyone voting under that rule was doing so in good faith and according to rules and laws that had been fully adjudicated in court.
there was nothing fraudulent, and there was nothing illegal. your butt hurt over the outcome of that election does not change that fact.
again you're a moron. not one of these cases concerning election law changes has ever been ruled on merit in any court. all court rulings were for standing.
are you not able to read the constitution? it clearly and unambiguously states that only the legislature can set election law. when a secretary of state makes a change, that is absolutely a violation of the supreme law of the land. are you really that much of a brick that you can't understand this?
"not one of these cases concerning election law changes has ever been ruled on merit in any court. all court rulings were for standing."
again.... YOU are the moron.
https://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-96-2020mo%20-%20104548450113066639.pdf?cb=1
the word "standing" does not exist anywhere in the court's ruling. it is a bit odd for you to hang your entire argument on a change you are so utterly clueless about.
the pa supreme court violated the us constitution just like the secretary of state. the state supreme court has no authority in setting election law.
why do you avoid my questions of constitutionality?
"the pa supreme court violated the us constitution just like the secretary of state."
not according to the supreme court, or PA election law. (I'm guessing you mean the provision that the legislatures determine how to do elections and you are too stupid to understand that the ruling was based on laws passed by that legislature.)
"the state supreme court has no authority in setting election law."
i'm not surprised you spent zero time trying to read or understand the ruling. the court did not set any election law. they interpreted existing law and determined that the proposed rule change was consistent with that law. there exists in the election law, as passed by the legislature, provisions for unforeseen and emergency situations. 2020 happened to be the first year PA allowed no justification mail in ballots. the primary that happened a few months prior proved that the increased demand for that due to the pandemic overloaded the postal system. the election administrators, USPS, and the court all agreed that the situation at the time warranted extending the time to receive ballots to prevent disenfranchising voters (something they knew would happen from the primary).... as allowed for by PA state law.
"why do you avoid my questions of constitutionality?"
i'm not avoiding shit..... you have at no point demonstrated that anything that happened was unconstitutional...... all you have demonstrated is that you have no idea what the laws in question actually are or what actually happened.
More women than men are registered voters. This was not true when Theodore "race-suicide" Roosevelt was calling women with fewer than 4 children "criminals." Criminals need coercion at gunpoint is mystical Revealed Faith, nevermind the purpose of laws. Now alluva sudden there's this 19th Amendment smack in the way of Make Amerika Gag Again Lebensborn and Hitler Mutterkreuz legislation. Every time Christian National Socialism grabs its guns to save Mankind for Jesus, something goes wrong. Too bad...
If you voted for Fetterman you are the potted plant
Why do so many Republicans think they need Trump to win? The basic conservative narrative is often quite defensible -- I say that as a moderate Democrat. There are many valid critiques of Democrats, especially of progressives. So why not just run on that? Why do so many Republicans think that's not enough to run on, and that they must pledge unquestioned fealty to Trump to win?
In my state (MA), our sane NeverTrump Republican governor Charles Baker decided not to seek re-election, though he could have won easily. I voted for him in the past to balance our Democratic legislature, and would've voted for someone like him again for the same reason. But no, our state GOP had to nominate a full-on Trumpist, who they had to know can't win in MA. What were they thinking? I'd partly understand if they thought Republicans have no chance in MA anyway, but that's provably false -- they've won statewide office more than once in recent times. Do they not want to govern?
Thinking and Believing are opposites. Grabbers Of Pussy have a hard time recognizing this and many other facts.
I need to see some evidence that a Mitt Romney knockoff would have pulled upsets in PA and the rust belt, which was mostly blue for decades until Trump pulled off one miracle. AZ is a purple state now and a woke weirdo beat a former fighter jet pilot for the other senate seat.
At the end of the debate Fetterman yelled at OZ that he was going to cut social security. "Why yes, we have to control government spending" OZ would have won if he said that? Reason yells at the GOP to have "ideas on policy agendas" but their idea of great policy is not necessarily a vote getter.
OZ outperformed the previous GOP candidate, and Lee Zedlin kept the race in NY historically close. He spearheaded a GOP sweep in some NY areas. The GOP failed to boost lesser known candidates like like Tudor Dixon and Blake Masters, who were political novices. In hindsight, they should have accounted for so many republicans fleeing to TX and FL.
Trump did cost the GOP several seats, especially in GA. But on the other hands, the GOP will lose if discontented supporters sit out elections. Any "non MAGA" candidate cannot be someone like Liz Cheney, and he or she would have to be diplomatic on Trump. Given Trump's current meltdowns a divorce is more than likely, but he delivered several demographics to the party. GOP needs more of someone like Desantis, that's the key takeaway.
This.
The GOP voters that chose these political novices in primaries sent a clear message to the party: either change or lose our votes.
It was the GOP establishment's responsibility (1) to put up better primary candidates, and (2) support the candidates they had better in the general election.
If the GOP goes back to putting up Romneys and Bushes, the GOP will lose.
In PA, a potted plant DID beat a Trump candidate.
I just don't get the Trump worshipers, no way can he win swing states. Impossible for him to win in 2024.
The only one's "worshiping" Trump are leftards "worshiping" their chicken-pecking gangland tactics. Course; That's rather a give-away being the party of [WE] mob RULES!
As entirely demonstrated by an 80% dis-satisfaction with government yet a majority voting for that dis-satisfaction. For Democratic voters it is ALL about Gang-Colors and GUNS / Gov-GUNS.
People aren't "worshiping Trump", they are expressing their disgust with the GOP establishment, people like Bush, Romney, McConnell, etc.
One problem with your theory; by the time of the OZ/Fetterman debate early voting had been going on for several days. Meaning it was too late for those people to realize what they had voted for.
About 650,000 mail in ballots were received before the debate.
Based on samples, registered Democrats sent in 3x more mail-in ballots than Republicans.
There it is.............
Either Democrats are wildly (3-Times) more LAZY than Republicans.
OR there is voter fraud going on.
Mystery Mail ballots should've never been a thing.
Mystery Voters should've never been a thing.
It's like trying to claim a vehicle robbery without any titles of ownership.
whenever you see someone claim there were "mystery ballots" it is dead give away that they have no idea WTF they are talking about. you have never been a poll observer, reached out to election offices for information, or been involved in any election in any way.
the reason they can publish things like "there were 3X more democrats in early ballots" is because they know where every single ballot came from because they know who every ballot belongs to when it comes in. there are no mysteries other than why people so ignorant of how things work will make so many claims not based on a single fact.
Sure, sure.. Idiot. An observation that 3-Times more democrat votes came on early ballots is all the information needed for a fair election... UR a F'En retard.
maybe if i type slowly, you will get it.......
the only reason they know there were ballots form 3X as many democrats is because
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they would not even be able to give you this information for you to pretend it means something it does not if they did not know where every ballot came from. that they can give you this number means there is no mystery. you are trying to say they don't know where the ballots came from because they can tell you exactly where the ballots came from..... that is how fucking stupid you are.
My mistake... "registered Democrats" I took as "Democrat votes".
Taking for granite it wasn't just a check-here on a questionnaire.
So you're consensus is they're 3-Times lazier than Republicans.
What exactly establishes a 'registered' Democrat Voter? I voted with nothing but a power-bill. Was I auto-registered as a Democrat or what? So don't get too smug about my mistake proving a fair election.
"What exactly establishes a ‘registered’ Democrat Voter? I voted with nothing but a power-bill. Was I auto-registered as a Democrat or what?"
i would need to know what state you are in. there are 20 states that allow voter registration on election day. PA is not one of them. PA registration deadline is 15 days before the election. when you register, one of the things you check is political party, and if you don't you are automatically unaffiliated or independent, depending on the state. nobody is ever automatically assigned to any party.
"one of the things you check". So the reason there are 3-Times the amount of checks for Democrats on early votes than Republicans is?
two parts.
first, brainwashed republicans who were once the majority of early ballots bought into the big lie and suddenly think mail in ballots are somehow evil and now they avoid doing it.
second, democrats who spent the last three years being irrationally terrified of crowds who see mail in voting as the safest way to participate in the election.
it really is pretty common sense to anyone not living in delusion and seeking nonsense narratives to pretend shit that ain't real is real.
See? I'd lay odds most were women voters. https://bit.ly/3E5X1QZ
Comstockist religious fanatics took over the Republican party by infiltrating from the Prohibition party. Job One to them is forcing women at gunpoint into forced labor of reproduction, as spelt out by Republicans Anthony Comstock, then Theodore Roosevelt, then copied by Mussolini, Franco, Hitler, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, BushBush and now Trump. Women voters, armed with the 9th, 10th, 13th and 14th Amendments reacted to Trump's Anschluss packing the Suprema Corte with girl-bullying mystics. Tuccille can't spell it out in those terms, but it's what went down.
Trump was Pro-Choice...
And I'll keep telling the truth every-time you LIE.
A U. of Texas in Austin, Hank the Hallucination--drawn by Sam Hurt--ran for Student Council. Hank is a morphing potted cactus visible only to Law Student Eyebeam in the 1980s. Debate over whether a candidate had to be real got heated, and a tsunami of bureaucratic pettifoggery washed over Hank's campaign. But I'd bet money old Hank could beat any Trumpanzee on the UT campus today, and leave them sobbing "We Wuz Robbed!"
Well, the people of Pennsylvania voted for and elected a 7 foot tall vegetable.
Hello everybody and good night.
It also proves one can get elected to office even if they're dead.
Voted for Trump. Tried to influence him, through email and Twitter, to calm down and be less crazy and offensive. Tired of his mouth.
Wait, the President of the United States didn't respond to you on Twitter?! What kind of world are we living in?
Jesus, this article has been promoted in the links and two separate emails. You're really pleased with yourself for the title, aren't you?
It is pretty funny, if a little bit of an overstatement.
Long live gridlock!
I'm not sure you are familiar with how US elections work, but these candidates were selected in so-called primaries. So, it wasn't the GOP but voters who put them there. Those voters were heavily influenced by Democrat-paid advertising promoting these candidates.
Furthermore, what was on voters' minds wasn't necessarily winning the general election, but foremost punishing the GOP establishment. That is a rational choice; the same voters who kicked out the GOP establishment candidates might well have simply stayed home during the general election had an establishment candidate run.
Hopefully, the message has been received by the GOP. If the GOP goes back to people like Bush, Cheney, and McCain, they are going to lose. They'll have to find candidates that appeal to "MAGA Republicans", traditional GOP voters, and new/young voters. If they can't do that, they're screwed.
".....but these candidates were selected in so-called primaries. So, it wasn’t the GOP but voters who put them there."
you do understand that the voters in a primary are almost entirely registered republicans (and therefor part of the GOP) don't you?
The lesson from these midterms is that when choosing the lesser of the two offered evils the difference is smaller than ever.
If you were talking about MTG, boebert, or even Kari Lake - ok. But Oz is not a "stop the steal" politician. He has never once made statements defending Jan 6th, or spoken about "draining the swamp" or the usual rhetoric. In fact, Oz, in my opinion, is barely a republican at all. Watch an episode of his show 10 years ago, and his statements are textbook liberal.
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Support Trump. Chuck a molotov Cocktail into DC and watch everyone squirm... again.
So Oz sounds a lot like Trump...celebrity opportunist who was a Democrat not that long ago.
It's true Oz is barely a Republican, as well as a horrible Senate candidate in general, but Trump backing him and dumping on his primary competition is the single reason he got as far as he did.
Well a potted plant could beat Abe Lincoln as long as it has Dominion in its pocket.....
But Oz isn't really MAGA, right? I mean, come on.
I don't think Oz was a good pick though. Maybe he represents a few % points of people in PA. But for the common man, particularly a wagecuck, Oz isn't going to understand their humble lifestyles, or even have a point of view / perspective on the matter. Oz came off as a rich celebrity carpetbagger. And the fetterman team did a good job labeling him as much. In my opinion, an "America First" working MAGA man, from PA, would have faired better.
Oz had two problems. First, he didn't live in PA. Second, the Republican candidate for governor, Mastriano, was a MAGA Republican and an election denier. He lost big, and might have been a drag on Oz.
Dude, anyone who runs as (R), or just opposes a (D) candidate is default MAGA.
I'm not saying he's necessarily MAGA, just pointing up the similarities with Trump. And the fact that he was backed by Trump couldn't have helped. As someone said downthread, it's likely he basked in the reflected fascism of Mastriano as well.
Oz is MAGA...if MAGA stands for "Make Ayuravedic Medicine Authoritarian." 🙂
"In my opinion, an “America First” working MAGA man, from PA, would have faired better."
That's who Oz beat in the primary. Well, he was from Connecticut and ran a hedge fund, but he was born in PA decades ago, so more PA than Oz. And virulently MAGA.
How long was Hillary Clinton a resident of New York before becoming a Senator there? Just asking for a comparison.
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Thus speak the Trump traitors. Time to start executing traitors, not pandering to them.
That's completely different, even though it's exactly the same.
Clinton woke up in her NY residence for the first time on Jan 6. 2000. On November 7, 2000, Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected to represent New York in the U.S. Senate.
Do summers and holidays at her Jewish grandma’s house count?
NY has been friendly to "carpetbagger" celebrity Senators, at least as far back as RFK in 1964. It may be because New Yorkers have considered their State, at least until very recently, the cultural capital of the USA, even of the World (eg UN), and warm to celebrities who recognize it.
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The 8 years before that she lived at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, so it's not like she lived anywhere. But no, she wasn't a born-and bred New Yorker like Fetterman is pure PA.
I think that part of Oz's problem was that he has 10 mansions all over the world, but never even bought a simple house in PA. He used his in-law's house as his address to run for office. It's not like he didn't have the money.
People probably saw that as evidence that he didn't want to be a Pennsylvanian, he just wanted their Senate seat. And Fetterman's team hammered that point.
The Clinton's still live in New York. When they left the White House they didn't have a home, so the one in New York was their one and only house.
It may have seemed, at the time, that the Clintons were just going through the motions. But Oz didn't even bother to own property in the state he ran in. That couldn't sit well with voters.
Not at all. There are plenty of non-MAGA Republicans. They just had to be very quiet about it for fear of being canceled.
Liz Cheney is about as complete a conservative as there is, by her voting record in the House. Look what happened to her.
But he wasn't Trump's first choice for the nomination, he was one of two identified as acceptable to DJT or his allies.
Oops! I was thinking of "Make America Meh Again." MAGA for Oz should be "Make Ayuravedic GURUs Authoritarian."
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Words have meanings. Look up "traitor."