J.D. Vance Seized His Chance, but the New Right Had a Bad Night
Big-government conservatives underperformed across the country.

Author and venture capitalist J.D. Vance cruised to victory in Ohio's U.S. Senate contest on Tuesday night. The race looked to be a test of whether combative campaign tactics in defense of nationalist policies can find success at a high level when practiced by someone other than former President Donald Trump. Yet the failure of a predicted "red tsunami" to materialize makes it hard to draw sweeping conclusions from the Ohio outcome.
Viewed in isolation, Vance's win would seem to augur well for both Trump and the national conservative agenda of which the senator-elect has been a high-profile proponent. His victory will make him the third natcon-friendly member of the U.S. Senate, alongside Marco Rubio of Florida and Josh Hawley of Missouri.
A number of other races across the country were too close to call as of Wednesday morning, however, with control of both the House and the Senate hanging in the balance. Vance also badly underperformed a fellow Republican and onetime Trump critic in what has become an increasingly bright red state. Ohio incumbent Gov. Mike DeWine secured a second term by a 25-point margin; in that context, Vance's six-point victory looks less impressive.
This was supposed to be a very good night for the GOP, with both structural factors and economic fundamentals working in Republicans' favor. The party of the sitting president has historically done poorly in midterm elections: As the Republican pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson put it yesterday, "with the exception of 1998 and 2002, this has been true through my lifetime." Meanwhile, amid a slagging economy and high inflation, surveys have consistently found that the cost of living is voters' top concern, and that voters trust Republicans more than Democrats on that issue.
Despite those headwinds, Democrat John Fetterman managed to flip the Pennsylvania Senate seat being vacated by Republican Pat Toomey, defeating celebrity doctor Mehmet Oz, and Democrat Josh Shapiro won the Pennsylvania governor's race against Republican (and vocal 2020 election denier) Doug Mastriano. In Arizona, Republican Senate hopeful Blake Masters—whose candidacy, like Vance's, was bankrolled by the Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel—is currently trailing. Far more surprising is that Kari Lake, a Trumpy local TV celebrity who was expected to easily claim the Arizona governor's mansion, is also behind.
The decidedly non-Trumpy Republican Gov. Brian Kemp won reelection in Georgia. And although Trump threw his weight behind the former football star Herschel Walker for the Peach State's U.S. Senate seat, that race looks poised to go to a runoff. If Walker loses, it will be a blow for the perception, fostered in the wake of the 2016 Access Hollywood tape, that Trump-like fame and fortune outweigh personal sexual transgressions with voters.
The story in Florida, where Republican incumbents Rubio and Gov. Ron DeSantis cleaned up, is more ambiguous.
Rubio has been a fellow traveler of the national conservatives, speaking regularly at their conferences, laying out a case for what he calls "common-good capitalism," and generally embracing more government intervention in the economy than Republicans in the past have tended to be comfortable with. But in the last year he has returned to speaking eloquently about the importance of individual freedom, something many on the New Right consider passé or even naive. And unlike Vance and some others in the natcon movement, he has resisted going all in on what I call will-to-power conservatism: the demand that Republicans use state coercion to reward their friends and punish their enemies, rule of law be damned.
DeSantis, on the other hand, has been an active practitioner of will-to-power politics. He went after Disney for voicing objections to a state education law. He has tried to control social media platforms' moderation policies. And during COVID, he did not stop at rejecting statewide lockdown measures and reopening the public schools; he used government power to preempt the right of local governments to set their own pandemic policies and prohibited private businesses from implementing vaccine requirements. Voters rewarded him with an almost 20-point victory over party-switching former Gov. Charlie Crist, which would seem to offer evidence for the idea that "muscular," big-government conservatism is the Republican Party's future.
At the same time, DeSantis' success on an otherwise disappointing night for the GOP represents a challenge to Trump himself. DeSantis is a much smarter and more serious candidate than the former president, far and away the top alternative for the Republican Party's 2024 presidential nomination. What's more, Trump knows it: He came out swinging against the Florida governor, whom he tried to brand "Ron DeSanctimonious," in the week before the midterms. This unprompted attack against a member of his own party removed any doubt whether Trump sees DeSantis as a threat. The latter's runaway win on Tuesday night suggests the former president's power over the Republican Party may indeed be waning.
Vance, who admits to being a "flip-flop-flipper" on Trump, may seem like a counterexample to this narrative. In 2016, he tweeted that the then–presidential candidate "makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, etc. Because of this I find him reprehensible." Responding to the Access Hollywood tape, he lamented, "Fellow Christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man." He deleted those tweets, and others critical of the 45th president, while bidding for Trump's endorsement in the Senate primary, which he eventually received. (Trump then publicly joked that Vance had "kiss[ed] my ass" to get his support, proving that no act of abject fealty goes unpunished.)
It wasn't long before Vance had warmed to a Trumpy blend of hatemongering and authoritarian braggadocio. My personal favorite example is a tweet from the Senate hopeful last year asking just how "disgusting and violent" it is in New York City—as if Vance, a Yale Law graduate and founder of a multimillion-dollar venture capital firm, required tutoring on such questions from Ohio voters.
In the end, his pandering to Trump's supporters paid off for the author of Hillbilly Elegy. What that experience suggests about the future of his party, and of the New Right, is less clear.
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New Right Pounces!
New Right 2.0. The Religious Right was using that term in the Eighties.
"Nat-Cs" is a much more appropriate nickname for the self-described nationalist conservative movement.
That's not how you pronounce Nazi, shreek. It's not like NAMBLA. (See, that's a dig about the time you got your Sarah Palin's Buttplug account banned for posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com)
I get paid over 190$ per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..
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NAMBLA's pet republican mild cholestee put The Intellectual Activist on the map and into bankruptcy and got the acronym into South Park. Class act, that one, but to be fair, a reading of the infiltrated 1980 "LP" platform reveals abandonment of women voters and bald-faced endorsement of Massachusetts age-of-consent laws described by Lysander Spooner under 1875 Comstockism. Our vote growth stopped then and there for over 3 decades.
Good one...
No, they weren't. Since you've been obsessed with them for 30 years, why would you pick such a blatantly false and stupid thing to lie about?
Here’s the Wiki page on it. New Right–Wikipediahttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Right
There were several New Right movements in multiple nations, the second New Right in the U.S. had the Religious Right as a faction, and Ackshuyally, the Nat-Cons are on New Right 3.0 in the U.S.
Not a falsehood and not a lie, you Petti dickhead!
Oh, and since I knew of the Religious Right and opposed the Religious Right since the Eighties, that makes 40 years, not 30. 40 is a frequently recurring number in The Holy Bible. Is math hard for the Religious Right too? ?
I get paid over 190$ per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I’d be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I’ve been doing..
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https://twitter.com/BradWilcoxIFS/status/1590409234818420737?t=xheNtBeApUOEYuAaj7s7Yg&s=19
Married men broke Republican by 20 pts
Married women broke R by 14 pts
Unmarried men broke R by 7 pts
But *unmarried women* broke D "by whopping 37 pts"
Democrats are the #AbortionAboveAll party, and although I dislike abortion I admit it's entirely rational for them to emphasize that. Especially with Roe gone.
The stance doesn't even make sense though. But the democrats strategy of saying gop was for no abortion no exceptions was repeated so loudly many uninformed voters believed it.
Majority of state bills are in the range of 15-20 weeks with exceptions. Most gop candidates ran on those. And it aligns with actual polling on the abortion issue. But the media was able to lie to people about those stances. Pretty amazing.
The Democrats and the media were able to frame the issue as "abortion bans" versus "the ability to have an abortion" even though the Democrats are actually more extreme by wanting abortion up until birth. As we've stated in the other thread, it's all about how one frames the issue. The GOP needs candidates who can get out in front of the media (instead of the media out in front of them) and get their message out. DeSantis was rather good at this with the parental rights and notification bill.
Problem is they were overshadowed by places like Louisiana and Idaho with draconian laws, and the push in many conservative corners for full bans along with trigger laws that took effect.
It looked very clearly like Repubs were employing snowball positions to get 15 week bans on the books only so that they later could get further bans on the books since so many prominent conservatives were professing pro-life positions.
These were electoral problems created by Repubs and seized upon be Dems.
What made that pretty clear? That it was a bait and switch? They settled on public polling. So need you to defend the assertion.
The fact that Inquisitive Squirrel is a really stupid garden variety suburban wine mom, and literally nothing else.
Wow, things must be bad for you to abandon the bit.
It's a real shame, because her actual persona is painfully fucking dull and stupid.
As are so many. OBL was interesting and provocative.
Why are you fat-shaming?
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1590377686358450177?t=ccfsORwp0GecsYxSB1Tdpw&s=19
A biological male won “Miss Greater Derry” which is a beauty pageant in New Hampshire under the “Miss America” organization.
Men are better than women at everything, including being girls.
Up against other men he's just a fat, loser plug, but pit him against some of New Hampshire's cutest gals and he kicks their asses.
If I was drinking when I read your comment, I would be drying off my keyboard now...thanks for the laugh!
Having seen the pic of the "winner"...those girls must have been hideous. That dude winning would be insulting to any woman/girl.
Oh boy! I’m sure the pageant wasn’t worried at all about incurring the wrath of the woke twitter mob if they had said no, and probably next year the entire pageant would be trannies. So they let “her” enter, hoping it won’t attract much attention.
Looks more like Miss Greater Dairy, but not Miss Too Many Meals.
Are they Democrats because they are unmarried? Or are they unmarried because they are Democrats? It makes one wonder.
They are democrats because they are unhappy and want to make others unhappy. They are unmarried because they are unhappy and make their SOs unhappy.
Agreed. When I was single between marriages, the progressive leaning women were less fun and definitely less happy. Just my experience.
As I've found on a few of the online dating apps, they're also quite ideologically bigoted. They actually state in their profiles that if you (heavens forbid) voted for Trump, they won't date you whatsoever. My feelings? Plonk! You wouldn't have been fun to date and marry anyway. Hope you wind up as a lonely spinster with five dogs.
What could be a more efficient way to weed out the drunk morons?
The anti-Republican bigots? Yes, they use alcohol most often according to their profiles. I don't drink the stuff.
Thanks for playing, Tony. Have a nice day.
"No faggots named Tony"
Tony's sexuality is not an issue. His blinkered Philistine pig-ignorance is, and it looks like you share that trait of his. Get a room, you two. 🙂
There was a study a few years back that women who vote R enjoy sex more, which could explain a lot (and also is consistent with my own experience-most of the women I’ve dated have been D but there was one R who remains very memorable, and not because of how she voted)
More mental illness too.
The conservative brain is constituted to fear change, foreigners, and cultural traditions they weren't taught as children.
Marriage, to my mind, is a silly relic of absolute patriarchy, a 50/50 proposition for maximum financial and personal anxiety. People who are comfortable learning new things as they become teens and adults may find it rather useless.
I wonder if conservatives could try this exercise: Remember when you stopped believing in the Easter Bunny? Just do that, but apply it to the other things you learned as children but that you steadfastly refuse to reconsider.
That goes for the gooberist goober to supreme court justices.
Tony, I learned as a child to not hit other kids or take their stuff.
A lesson ignored, as far as I can tell, by politicians with a D (or R, let's be fair) after their name.
But of course I just explained that the things you learned as a child were lies, and you should grow out of them by the time you're in late middle age.
creech - I learned as a child to not hit other kids or take their stuff.
Tony - [T]he things you learned as a child were lies, and you should grow out of them.
So, you're okay with creech beating the shit out of you and stealing your wallet?
When he's using that as a metaphor for taxes, of course.
He wasn't. So post your address and lube up, faggot.
Ah, so you two are starting to click! Will you post your hotel video on Xhamster or Thumbzilla? 🙂
Tony, that’s genius. I once believed government was a benefit to the people, but life taught me it is a necessary evil that should be caged, starved, and whipped frequently.
You only thought you learned that. In reality, you're just repeating nonsense someone told you that barely makes linguistic sense let alone logical.
You are the definition of Love-Gov aren't you lol...
It's sickening how in love you are with Gov-GUNS...
This would be funny if you were actually intelligent enough to understand where the term "false consciousness" comes from, and were an intentional rather than accidental parody.
Marriage is an institution for raising children. Being a faggot it doesn't apply to you. However, it's curious that you so loathe the institution now after spending the last 20 years squealing like a stuck pig about how you were being denied your human rights because you couldn't go marry another faggot. Were you lying then or now?
I'd pity your young that your marriage might produce, though I will concede that some kind of institution would be right for both you and Tony. 🙂
Hey, remember how you spent 2 and a half years with a piece of mucus-encrusted, bacteria-laden cotton strapped to your mouth to prevent infection by a respiratory virus 3 orders of magnitude smaller than the pores in the cotton? It's no wonder you ended up with AIDS, Tony.
"I wonder if conservatives could try this exercise: Remember when you stopped believing in the Easter Bunny? Just do that, but apply it to the other things you learned as children but that you steadfastly refuse to reconsider."
OK. Will do.
"Human are causing the Earth to warm and it will lead to catastrophic damage. OK, not ALL people. Just the West. China is totally cool"
Yeah, it DOES seem like unmitigated bullshit that only a certified moron would believe.
The lack of self-awareness is astounding. Well done Tony.
Vance was a not-so-great candidate--someone not savvy enough to deal with the 10 year old rape victim abortion issue isn't a good candidate, and given the news media's general anti-GOP tenor, mistakes like that get amplified.
It's nice to be a Democrat. Raphael Warnock is a seriously flawed human being, and yet everyone's focused on Walker's foibles.
Long-term, the GOP needs to learn how to deal with the news media. The answer isn't strictly Kari Lake, but the steady pressure of calling out biased/mistaken pieces and figuring out how to get the message out.
"Long-term, the GOP needs to learn how to deal with the news media. The answer isn’t strictly Kari Lake"
Could the answer be Ricki Lake?
Lake is down only 10k votes with 30% left to count.
The fact that they didn't extend voting hours after 25% of machines had problems is mind boggling. The same courts extended mail ballots for up to 2 weeks.
Agreed. Lake should win out. Masters gets eff'd though.
"25% of machines had problems"
Paper ballots, purple fingers, public counting. It's the only solution.
someone not savvy enough to deal with the 10 year old rape victim abortion issue isn’t a good candidate
No such issue actually existed or does exist outside of the fevered imaginings of MSNBC talk show hosts.
Trump did so brilliantly by not just telling them to fuck off, but turning them into his loudest spokesmen, and you went into apoplexy about how rude and mean he was. Fuck off and die, DNC shill.
To much of the country, volunteering to pay for abortions for your side chicks is a sign of good moral character.
"In the end, [Vance's] pandering to Trump's supporters paid off for the author of Hillbilly Elegy."
Wait.
J. D. Vance wrote the book that was made into that Netflix movie I didn't watch? No way!
Yep. That's the one! Cue Rev. Artie! 🙂
The only reason Arizona and Pennsylvania didn't go hard red is that the postal employees unions and the election officials in both states are partisan Democrat socialists who cheat to win. God willing the election officials and postal union chiefs in the affected counties get theirs on the Day of the Rope.
I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I'm working online! My work didn't exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new… after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn't be happier.
Here’s what I do...............>>> onlinecareer1
^This guy gets it
If either of you try to pull off a "Day of the Rope," that should be written in the future tense, followed by the past tense for both of you.
How will you send out your mail-order copies of The Turner Diaries without The Postal Monopoly? You Aryan Pure Supermen don't have the brain cells to rub together to develop a drone network to do the delivery.
And your so-called "Day of the Rope" will be the day you push rope. See if you can do that without pushing rope out of your ass, Mister Aryan Pure Superman.
Fuck Off, Nerdy Nazi!
You can make over $30,000 a minute selling and making demos of my patented tear-harvester Schadenfrisbee. The hole in the center comes in your choice of .357, .44 Magnum, Colt 45 or nine millie. Set it over a cold mug in front of a Ghawd-fearin' Trumpanzee and harvest the heartfelt sobbing against voter reaction to faith-based Long Dong/Palito girl-bulling AND Texas slave-catching. Remember the name: SCHADENFRISBEE!
If *checks article* Big Government conservatives had a bad night, who had a good night?
I did. All of us who support gridlock did. Congress will be completely dysfunctional.
What, you posted more kiddie porn on the dark web?
This is a very good point. The gridlock that will come is pretty sweet.
ya for about a year while it's principles! over principals ... then re-election campaigns happen
Cementing in place the status quo with perhaps some unintended economic crises is hardly the ideal system.
Wow; So FDR, Obama and Bidens (D-Run across the boards) economic crashes weren't unintended?
I've heard others say that (Democrats destroy intentionally) but you really 'cement' it being the Gov-GUNS pimped boy and all.
Nor is electing crayon-chewing idiots yet Democrats seem on board with doing that.
The big government leftists Stephanie supports.
Right, I’m trying to think of a small-government Democrat right now, one that’s smaller government than any conservatives and one doesn’t pop to mind. I know that Reason likes to tout Jared Polis who literally forwarded all public welfare benefits to the third world… so if that’s ‘small government’, I’d hate to see Big Government.
The term Big Government Conservative seems to get thrown around a lot on the Reason pages, and increasingly, it seems that if a conservative isn’t a libertarian, then he gets branded “big government” or “authoritarian”. It would do well for people to remember that conservatives, both big C and little c are not libertarians. They are generally favorable to free markets… orders of magnitude more favorable than their Democratic counterparts. But they’re not libertarian. So I don’t know why libertarians get so mad when conservatives display their non-libertarian bona-fides.
The Democrats increased spending to $1232309823549812374 trillion!
Yeah, well the Republican mean-tweety-face increased it by $2349087 billion, so a pox on bowf their houses!
You would expect a libertarian magazine to touch on the points of bug vs small government, but this one doesn't. They only care about 9 month baby killing and smoking weed. Who cares if the rest of your life is taken over by government.
But they do seem to pay some lip service to criticizing big government.
“Oh Noes, Republicans are going to make it so InstaFaceChatTube can’t censor you as much! Or they're going to make it so mask mandates are banned! Freedumb of ‘sociation! Corporate rights! Moderate in good faif! Save the Communications Decency Act!”
Fair enough. But what Democrat is burning the midnight oil to leave you alone?
Why i keep saying Huxley was more correct. Sex and soma as an opiate to the masses under authoritarianism.
mdma over soma personally, but yes Huxley nailed it.
I remember the endless effort to get laid as a young man.
During a dry spell it would be easy to convince someone that security and a different beautiful woman every night was better than liberty.
Of course, when someone imagines that society they think they're Lenina or Helmholz, not someone who doesn't fit in like Bernard or some lowly Gamma or Delta. Which is also a lot like politicals clamoring for control, always assuming THEY are in with the elites, and that they'll never be the outsider being told what to do.
The "useful idiots" don't understand that tyrants cannot tolerate political activists, even those that supported them and their stated goals. After the revolution, the revolutionaries are the first to go to the gulag or the firing squad.
Their idea of leaving you alone is getting you "cancelled".
The problem is when people want to be left alone to legislate the banning of books.
The left has attempted banning many books as well as much speech.
Do you think your arguments through?
Jesse, he's been here for years. You know the answer to that question already.
You mean like The Bell Curve? Or any YA fiction that features characters of different racial makeup than the author? Or not enough Alphabet characters? Or white guys portrayed positively? Or anything by any author who doesn’t toe the proggy line? OrvHuck Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird disappearing out of school libraries and reading lists (this is what this fvckin simpleton means by “banning”)
"Bug" Government? Is that the kind of Government that's the bee's knees? 😉
I think it's the bad guys in Starship Troopers.
that brain bug sucked
Very good one! 🙂
You would think by this time, people would have figured out there's no such thing as "small government". Not once in our history, and to the best of my knowledge, anyone else's history, has a government reduced its size and scope voluntarily through anything but a revolution.
So where does that leave us? If you have any sense, you quit worrying about the size of government, and worry about what it's actually doing. Governments grow. That's what they do.
So having acknowledged that Big Government is going to be a fact of life, my most reasonable course of action is to try to ensure it's doing things I approve of, or at least don't disapprove of too strongly.
This is where the twinkletarians come in - attempting to use government powers to mitigate the damages caused by liberal misuse of them gets them on their feet crying, "Big Government Conservatives!". As if any other sort were even possible.
This is essentially a restatement of the gun control argument. When you take the guns away from the good guys, don't expect the bad guys to surrender theirs. You can, however, expect to be a sitting duck.
Pre wickard was fairly small.
So having acknowledged that Big Government is going to be a fact of life, my most reasonable course of action is to try to ensure it’s doing things I approve of, or at least don’t disapprove of too strongly.
Well, since you approve of burning Witches, it doesn’t sound like there’s too much of Government you would disapprove of towards that end, including outlawing books, pentagrams, costumes, broomsticks, crystal balls, Ouija Boards, “familiar” animals, potions, not to mention searches, arrests, and trials without warrants, rational rules of evidence or due process, bills of attainder, and forfeiture of the property of Witches.
This is essentially a restatement of the gun control argument. When you take the guns away from the good guys, don’t expect the bad guys to surrender theirs. You can, however, expect to be a sitting duck.
Rest assured, whether you call me good or bad, I’m not giving up my arms, nor my knowledge that the whole world is an arsenal if you know how to make it so.
Fuck Off, Witch-Burning Nazi! The Tomorrow you think belongs to you won’t if you come to take Life, Liberty, and Property!
^Well Said.... One just has to love how some try to sell 'The USA is conquered' just live with it (give-up) sales pitch. Any excuse, any excuse at all they'll use to get more Gov-GUN POWER....
Correction: For Witch-Burners, it's irrational rules of evidence, such a weighing the same as a duck means being made out of wood and therefore...
She's A Witch!
https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g
The libertarian fascination with leftists is not a new problem. I was in Murray Rothbard's apartment listening to him rant on and on about left-right alliances and wanting to work with the Black Panthers.They had seized a park and called it "People's Park". You would think that the name "People's Park" was a clue about their basic ideology. I couldn't believe that someone as intelligent and knowledgeable as Rothbard couldn't see that the Panthers were no more than a gang of thugs.
Since Reason moved to Washington they have been absorbing leftist thinking about the right by osmosis. How often have they praised Ron Wyden who hasn't got a libertarian bone in his body except about state surveillance about which he has been curiously silent when Republicans are the subject of FBI FISA warrants.
Ah, yes! Rothbard lost his marbles a while back. There at the end, he was endorsing Pat Buchanan and finally David Duke. Murray Rothbard was all over the map! Didn't do a damn thing for Libertarianism but give it a rotten name!
Big Government always has a good night, no matter which Big Government faction wins. It does some of it's best work at night.
Big-government conservatives underperformed across the country.
Bushism begat Trumpism. Nothing will ever change in the GOP. The new NatCons are just a pale imitation.
which would seem to offer evidence for the idea that "muscular," big-government conservatism is the Republican Party's future.
It was always going to be.
Yeah.... Cause a De-Regulation committee is so obviously 'big government'... Leftard propaganda at it's lowest points.
Aren't elephants chattel slaves and a source of fat in the rest of the world? Positive Christianity has already come to Italy, Spain, Germany, Austria and taken over Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, Norway, Lichtenstein and a hatful of other Youropean satrapies. Nobody loved Jesus more than Catholic boy Hitler--to judge by his speeches and platform... so why aren't America's women voters balloting themselves back into Eliza crossing the river to please the Trumpanzistas?
From CNN and the DHS - Cleanest election ever!
"Federal officials have not seen any evidence that any voting system used in the 8,800 jurisdictions across the US has been compromised, the Department of Homeland Security’s cybersecurity agency said Wednesday afternoon.
“We have seen no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was any way compromised in any race in the country,” US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Director Jen Easterly said in a statement."
Without a fully auditable, traceable system one can never be sure elections are fair.
BUT…. NO-ONE can disconnect the vote counters from the WWW! They require mid-election counting “updates” because 'correct' way to count changes?… ?
Which reminds me of the congressional hearing from a firmware programmer of these 'counters' who confessed he was paid big $ to setup back-doors... Course that was like 10-years ago.. All forgotten now.
A bit weird how quickly it went from "It could take several days to weeks for PA to count their votes" to "Nah, we good in these three hours"
"The latter's runaway win on Tuesday night suggests the former president's power over the Republican Party may indeed be waning."
I don't know. I wouldn't put it past Republican voters to essentially throw the 2024 election by nominating the game show host again.
Wow, the real you is quite cynical. Very nice.
I believe our worst problems have no solutions and any attempt to solve them will only make things worse.
Name it - water shortages in the Southwest, debt/deficits, climate change, immigration, energy production, you get it.
I'm coming around to this view that Trump entering politics in 2016, and immediately giving Dems the most humiliating defeat in history, might turn out in the long run to be the best thing that ever happened to the Democratic Party.
We'll need decades to know for sure though. Wasn't Bush supposed to have doomed the GOP for generations? Then he was barely out of office when Republicans did great in the 2010 midterms.
The problem was not fighting back as the left captured major institutions. They go into roles like publishing, university, government, media not to win on merits but to push policy and benefit from right think over merit. To undo the damage we currently see it means we have to break that capture.
Absolutely. The left has conquered the culture from the universities down to CNN. Conservatives don't, and probably will never, understand the the culture war is over and they lost. They wouldn't defend individualism and now collectivists rule.
Until that loss is accepted and the terms of the culture war changed, we are screwed.
Did Cultural Conservatives ever stand for Individualism? All I've ever seen of Cultural Conservatives is blind conformity to "God, Country, Family" tripe, without any explanations of the ideals of The Renaissance, The Enlightenment, and their antecedents in Greece and Rome that gave us Individualism.
Cultural conservatism is a lot of things, some are conflicting. It's kind of a useless term. A cultural conservative in the Dakotas is very different in a lot of ways from one in Alabama, Alaska or California.
Cultural Conservatism basically holds one's pet vision of culture in amber. Nothing about it is compatible with Libertarianism except by coincidence of the particular culture.
Yes. The entire protestant movement was individualized and promoted self sufficiency. It also had people learn religion on their own instead of strictly through preachers like the various government and catholic churches.
Except for Martin Luther being the first to support compulsory government schooling explicitly to indoctrinate religion and that whole bit about John Calvin"s little commune Geneva burning Michael Servetus for denying The Trinity and, of course, the Puritans exporting compulsory schooling and persecuting heretics to the British Colonies in America. Not Individualistic or self-reliant to me.
Yes. The US is a Christian nation in the sense that voluntary sacrifice for others (a Christian ideal) is the foundation as de Tocqueville noted. The Donkeys have turned that into FORCED sacrifice, which is, of course, not really sacrifice but authoritarianism.
Well, Free-Market Capitalism doesn't require sacrifice, only value-for-value exchange and the calculated risk of investment. And it produces enough surplus to have plenty for charity.
Oh, and check your Constitution. Christianity and no other religion is mentioned there, nor is sacrifice nor any sackcloth-and-ashes nonsense.
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" was not derived from sacrifices for the Lord, your community or even your family.
God and family are two words that do not appear in the founding documents of our country. What does appear are the words guaranteeing that Christians and all others are free to worship as they choose. That's more than enough to protect the rights of believers (and non-believers).
Progressives are the enemies of Christianity, but most atheists are not. I was outraged by the Covid shutdowns of churches when comparable meeting places were allowed to operate. You do not need to be a Christian to recognize how important churches are for Christians or that progressives hate any source of knowledge of morality that they don't control.
I share this concern. If they nominate Trump over Desantis, I'll stop voting in national elections.
Isn't there also the possibility DeSantis wins the (R) nomination, Trump tries to go 3rd party for spite, and Democrats yet again win an election "the fundamentals" predict they should lose?
Oh shit, then it's the election of 1912 all over again. That crap gave us Woodrow Wilson.
Fortification comes before fundamentals in the dictionary.
That's what I figure will scare the Republicans into running Trump again. Trump needs to be laughed out of the Republican party. He can't stand being laughed at, so that's the way to take him down.
like laughing at him during the correspondent's dinner kept him out of the 2016 election?
But you'll keep voting despite the blatant fortifications?
And wait a minute, I admit I really don't know what Q-Anon is, and I don't know who this Andrew Tate guy is and why everyone is so upset about him, but what's this term "The New Right". Have we moved on from Alt Right like so much Friendster and MySpace? Is "New Right" the Facebook of political terms to describe these Trump-backed (aka tea party) Republicans? What do we call the AOC/Sanders wing of the Democrats? Is there an alt-left? A New left (there was a New Left in the 60s if I recall). I'm just honestly trying to keep up here.
Derogatory political terms are only applied to the right at Reason. You'll never see terms like totalitarian/authoritarian left even when they are criticizing democrats for demonstrating totalitarian/authoritarian behavior.
Indeed. The coverage of the Parental Rights in Education Bill here constantly called it “Don’t Say Gay”, which is not in the bill nor was ever in the bill. Hell, as Tim Pool said, “You could just as truthfully say it was a ‘Don’t Say Straight’ bill”
The truth is that "Q Anon" doesn't truly exist as an actual real thing. It's more like an internet meme. that the media really picked up and ran with. The best analogy I can think of is that it has kind of become like the real life version of Emmanuel Goldstein, the fake "Enemy of the People" that was created by the state in George Orwell's "1984".
You can certainly find plenty of references to it in media stories, usually in conjunction with refrences to the "Pizzagate" incident, and Jeffrey Epstein of course. But no matter how many tens or hundreds of hours you spend looking, you will never click on a link that takes you to Q Anon's website, nor will you ever find an address, phone number, or even a Post Office Box that will allow to correspond with any members. Because none of these actually exist. Nor are you likely to ever meet and talk to an actual living, breathing, human being who will tell you they're a "member" or could you tell you anything more about it than I just did here.
Wrong. I've seen them in the store where I work with the big "Q" and "WWGOWGA" logos on their T-Shirts. I keep a safe distance from the cheese pizzas at the deli in case they start shooting.
I've also seen them wearing "Kill Your Local Pedophile" shirts.
No love for child abusers, of course, as my railing against the Roman Catholic Church, the Latter-Day Saints, and the Southern Baptists shows, but next time I see them, I want to ask them if they have a court order and remind them that executions typically take place in prisons, which is where they are probably heading anyway.
Moreover, Queen Romana Didulo is Qanon and has convinced some dumb, demented Canadian seniors that they don't have to pay utilities and now they're sitting in the cold and dark. The megamaniacal bitch!
Here's a more full list of her crimes:
Romana Didulo--Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romana_Didulo
I bet you think antifa doesn't exist.
Antifa exists and Qanon exist. Lost your bet.
I'm going to be frank: I don't even believe that you work in a store at all, much less the rest of your story you're telling in the first two paragraphs.
In the highly unlikely event that there is any truth to your story at all, you should go to the shift manager or even the store owner and formally complain about it, and explain to them why it's offensive if they don't get why you're complaining. That is exactly what I would I do if fellow employees at my workplace were wearing "Black Lives Matter" or "Fuck the Police" t-shirts. Because it's totally unprofessional and inappropriate in either direction.
And if you do formally complain and nothing happens at all, then you should go get a similar job at another store. I promise that you won't have any problem whatsoever finding work, employees are absolutely desperate to find and hire anyone who's actually willing to show up and work.
Well as Robert “Papa” Heinlein observed: The human mind is a wonderful thing. It can think anything it wants to think. Your “frank” feelz don’t change a speck of dust in space, Mister Smegma Catcher.
What wonderful reading comprehension you have. It’s not employees wearing the Qanon shirts, it’s customers…You know, the ones that Harry Gordon Selfridge said were “always right,” who then spawned the Karens and Chads and WorldStars and every other sociopath that makes retail into Hell for all concerned? (Obviously, Selfridge never witnessed Natural Childbirth or he never would have said that.)
And because customers can be of one “protected class” or another (Qanoners are most likely mentally infirm and under Psychiatric care,) we can’t do shit about them until they shoot somebody.
You really need to get out from under Weigel’s foreskin and experience a real world outside the Commentariat.
"No love for child abusers, of course, as my railing against the Roman Catholic Church, the Latter-Day Saints, and the Southern Baptists shows"
Any issues with public schools who have an exponentially larger problem with that than any church ever did?
Hasn't the purging of men from grade schools eliminated most of that problem?
Government Schools, of course aren't safe for children either and I know all too well from the bullying I recieved, but I'm not convinced from what people have said here that either Religious or Government Schools are safer.
Really, the drive-to-drink truth is that children are not 100 percent safe under any authority, but we have no other choice but to first take a chance with Nature's steward's called parents. But if they've been taught blind faith in Religion and State, or have delusions of grandeur, even those are dangerous.
"Who watches The Watchmen?". --Miguel Cervantes.
This guy says you're wrong.
https://ibb.co/pZQhHTM
I've seen those too. No word on whether they're following "bread crumbs," but as with all dangerous drivers, give wide berth!
I'm so angry that CTRL-Left never took off like ALT-Right
That's pretty funny, thanks.
Delete, Clean, Rebuild, Reboot is what Libertarians need to do. 🙂
Because it didn't specify any faction. The entire left is CTRL-left.
Go back and study your Cosmic Cube smartphone and come back to us.
And stop sealioning! You're sounding like Mike!
You need to stop sealioning. All these questions can be easily answered with a simple DuckDuckGo search and not doing so makes you look really pea-soup dense.
Deliberately rhyme-y headline?
“New Right Had a Bad Night Big-government conservatives underperformed”
Literally the opposite of big government, you lying shill.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1590450345893072897?t=SZt8SIQnfZypMMwTx1YnxA&s=19
Maricopa County, AZ has just 66% of the vote counted as of 4PM today
The entire state of Florida had 90% counted by 9PM last night
Nobody was fired for the election or recorder boards in 2020, none will be fired here.
Hell, the person in charge of the elections might be elected governor still. And never did recuse herself from the vote counting in her race.
Nevada had a flood of last minute mail in ballots. Laxalt will lose his lead.
The New York Times
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Election officials in Nevada say that they have been flooded by thousands of mail-in ballots, and that it may take several days to count the votes and upload results.
Gotta fortify Nevada.
Harry Reid on line 3 ... says "mission accomplished"
>>Yet the failure of a predicted “red tsunami” to materialize makes it hard to draw sweeping conclusions from the Ohio outcome.
try thinking on your own it can be fun.
EDIT: also to my detriment I read every word of this and walk away unaware of what THE NEW RIGHT!!! is
Reason has had a bunch of articles about MAGA and new right (or whatever term is being bandied about that given day.) It is always described disparagingly and fairly loosely. At the core, Reason defines and criticizes it as pro-American, anti-globalist, anti-woke. Their framing is much more negative and short of specifics, but frankly it just sounds like Reason hates them for being anti-progressive
Reason Editors are a bunch of far left progressives. So, this actually makes perfect sense.
Even where they don't think they are. They're hanging out with journalists in places like DC, so the overton window is so far toward progressive wackadoodle they thing being only mostly progressive is the libertarian option.
Don't forget "pro-Putin" and "pro-Orban".
The Nat-Cs love "strong man" leaders.
That’s funny, because throughout the pandemic, it was the CRTL-Left that loved themselves strongman dictators.
Quit lying, Shrike.
Don't see many on the Right praising dictators. Even Thomas Friedman bemoaned that the USA was not more like China.
Just sayin'.
With my patented medicinal Schadenfrisbee you can put those tears of reproach and wails of We Wuz Robbed to work selling Delicious Tears™ for Libertarian celebrations. Use the coupon code: 3845357
If you’re unfamiliar with a term reason uses… search a far left leaning website.
https://theintercept.com/2022/04/29/new-right-movement-peter-thiel/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets
ah! Peter Thiel of course.
"New Right . . . Big-government conservatives"
? The neocons are the big-government non-conservatives.
All evidence suggests that the American people are a center-left country if not all-in on Nordic socialism, and that fact of math is masked by all the affirmative action given to reactionaries in our system of government. Libertarians, it goes without saying, did not have a banner night either.
It was a really good run. The political worldview that serves the interests of truly a handful of very wealthy sociopaths actually managed to sell to a whole political party and a bunch of lower-middle-class dweebs who stopped reading books after Atlas Shrugged taught them all they need to know. Really, great propaganda effort.
But it's time to put childish things aside. The resources of this planet, and maybe one day the solar system, do not belong to anyone or any small group, and any rationale they offer you for why it does is an obvious self-serving lie. Every government everywhere decides how to distribute the resources under its jurisdiction, and if it refuses to feed starving children before it has cut the taxes of oil barons, that system is self-evidently corrupt and bad. The end.
nobody has a true concept of the resources of this planet
We can shave off enough to feed and house everyone and then go from there.
that was the design until Brandon full-stopped food and fuel for the world population.
I mean, it's one gallon of gas. What could it cost, ten dollars?
Why? Are you gonna set yourself on fire? 🙂
i'll have to slow down when it gets to $10
And you know this amount how? Needs change, Tony.
Not the need for food and shelter.
You live in a cave?
A bungalow, but close.
Mother's basement in a bungalow, there, Tony?
I haven't read anything this stupid in a long time.
It _is_ from Tony, after all, but even dumb for Tony.
Not even your mom's tramp stamp? I mean she couldn't even spell "holster" right.
She wouldn't need a holster for anything you have even if you were offering. Try a change purse embroidered with the name "Elaine Bobbitt"! 🙂
Fuck Off, Nihilist!
What's left of Free Market Capitalism produces enough food to feed the Goddamn Planet. It is Socialists/Communists/Collectivists like your buddies Putin, Xi, Kim, and the Kleptocracies of Africa, South America, and Sri Lanka who stop food from getting to the poor, Dummy!
Fuck Off, Nihilist!
See, this is the problem, fallaciously and disingenuously equating anything but laissez-faire capitalism with some cherry-picked dictatorships, all of which were never liberal socialist societies but mostly appropriated the once-popular socialist brand. Sort of how our fascists have appropriated capitalism even though they're out-and-out kleptocrats whose only government policy is to direct resources to their donor's pockets.
I like markets. Markets are cool. Setting prices is a useful thing in the context of scarce resources.
But I don't have to have a shred of ideological commitment to recognize which forms of society function best, meaning they promote the maximum amount of individual freedom. Call them whatever you want. Words are wind. We only have evidence to go by at the end of the day.
That is the problem? Not that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about beyond the academic bullshit you substitute for the reality of actually living in a place like Sweden? The half of my family that lives in Östersund would laugh your ass out of the room. "Evidence" indeed.
So why don't they move here?
I believe the right question is, "Why don't you, Tony, move to Sweden?" Rather than virtuously blubbering about the advantages of Nordic socialism, be an example for those who disagree with you and put your money where your mouth is, because as it stands, like any chimerical socialist, you are shilling for Product X when in fact you've only ever used Product Y.
Before you touch down in Stockholm, remind yourself that Scandinavians in general--and Swedes in particular--have a very robust work ethic, and blame government for a reckless immigration policy that has inevitably eroded the social safety net you so enthusiastically endorse. As both an unemployable immigrant and net drain on Sweden's economy, you can expect to be reviled by better men, so perhaps life in one of Malmö's crime ridden "no go zones" where you will never encounter one would be best.
Lycka till, rövhål!
News for you: Nordic ‘socialist’ countries are more laissez-faire than the US and only feed themselves by exploiting the worlds fish supply. B4 oil in the N Sea Norway was impoverished.
"Cherry-picked?" I just cited pretty much the whole Goddamn Ugly Tree!
And the evidence is clear from where the food is coming and which way it's going!
Stick with your "Wish"-Sammiches and Fuck Off, Nihilist!
Maybe we will Socialism right this time and it won't result in 100 million dead people! Probably not, though.
If you don't know by now that you've been duped into a mindless propagandistic conception of a word you don't understand, then hop in your time machine and go back to 1950 when it was obvious then too.
I don't want socialism. I don't want any -ism. -Isms are stupid names for utopian societies. These are, you're correct, disasters whenever enforced by brutal fiat, regardless of how well or poorly they adhere to any principle of socialism, which is why the organic qualities of a free market are essential to any flexible society that doesn't mass murder.
I want a free market in which the government acts as a buyer on behalf of the people, that's all. The people can be free to have their own collective interest. That's freedom. Forcing them to live according to the arbitrary outcomes of a market they have no control over is not freedom.
Tonys enlightenment, "Supply and Demand can be cheated with GUNS!"....
Yeah; do tell. What resource does GUNS create?
And the government will act as a buyer with *what money*? Government doesn't produce anything. They can't be 'just' a buyer, and once you have taxes, you have the threat of force against their population.
Also, please explain how government as a buyer works out given the knowledge problem Hayek identified. How does government know what to buy?
Finally, what is 'collective interest'? How do you know what it is? (People have individual interests. Sometimes those align with some other people, but the interests don't become collective, they become aligned individual interests).
Thank you, Squirroid! I was so absorbed in Tony’s stupidity that I failed to note your wise way of putting it. ?
The Government can’t be a “buyer on behalf of the people” without first, taxing and confiscating from the people!
And there is no “collective interest” because collectives have no existence outside their individual members! And individuals are not “forced to live according to the arbitrary outcomes of the market” because “the market” is the sum total of all economic decisions!
Fuck Off, You Big Dummy Nihilist!
If Tony had sense enough to differentiate a constant he'd be rubbing republican noses in their own "baby-killer" poo-poo and celebrating the discovery of individual rights by women voters. Or is Ceausescu's Romania also Tony's idea of the altruist paradise?
Tony, "Einstein was full of sh*t when he proved that E=mc^2.."
UR so polluted-minded you make my sheep look smart.
Who decides?
Narrator’s voice: and Tony never noticed that they never talk about actually feeding starving children.
The funniest part that they’re not telling you: how much this situation parallels the midterms of Jimmy Carter.
Why do you fucking idiots keep writing about DeSantis stopping local governments from coercing people? We get it, you like masks. That doesn't mean the libertarian position is "let any government smaller than you shit on peoples' rights even if you can stop them".
Reason still supports those amulets?
Welcome Rufus. Stick around.
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Meanwhile Sunny Hostin admits to voter fraud on national tv and Reason doesn't bat an eye.
Congratuations! You made me watch a video clip...
Whoever she is (I've never heard of her before), she isn't very articulate, and she did not clearly admit to doing anything obviously illegal. Is "handling" family members' ballots legal in her state?
But I doubt her son (whose text she had just read, on-air) was asking her if she'd been successful in stealing his vote.
She said "voted for her son". Her son is in college out of state. How was the ballot filled out. Why didn't he just mail it in.
Youre not very bright shrike.
You've introduced alleged information which was not in the video clip we're discussing. I'm happy to reserve judgement, but not with jumping to conclusions based on unverified allegations.
Is it beginning to look like General Ripper may have exceeded his authority?
I flagged someone accidentally, but since they don't seem to moderate, I hope the person wasn't harmed.
Bailey actually killed them.
I do it all the time. The site is awful to scroll on mobile. Accidental flags, mutes, and replies all the time. I apologize to everyone but the bots if something is ever done with those errant flags
Both parties had a bad night, and I am okay with that, divided government brings us less bad legislation. I would rather see nothing get done than the present destruction we have witnessed.
This headline sums up the 2022 mid-terms best:
Nation Unsure Whether To Support Party That Runs Brain-Damaged Candidates Or Party That Loses To Brain-Damaged Candidates
Bravo!
My personal favorite example is a tweet from the Senate hopeful last year asking just how "disgusting and violent" it is in New York City
9 people pushed to death in front of subway cars this year is disgusting and violent. Vance was right. NYC is reverting to an urban jungle.
'Big government' conservatives under-performed, would generally be considered a good thing by a libertarian magazine, because they support of big government. However there's not much analysis about candidates from both parties who voiced support for, or, if incumbents, historically voted for 'big government.' As in, there's none; Slade does her normal assertion, specious argument based on interpretation, and expects it to accepted as objective journalism.
“In the end, [Vance’s] pandering to Trump’s supporters paid off for the author of Hillbilly Elegy.”
So Trump support/supporters isn’t total political suicide? Make up your mind Reason.
Also, does anybody have the count of Trump endorsed candidates win/loss? I saw something on Twitter yesterday that he was actually like 170/10, something along those lines.
I'm starting to wonder if ANYONE underperformed.
If this dribbling aftermath is the result of the media and the left's new way of counting.
You don't get that stunning shocking 'wave' effect on election night anymore. Instead you get a steady drip of losses until the right has quietly taken the house and senate.
Defending individual rights is "'muscular,' big-government conservatism"?
Defending Individual Rights is precisely what Nat-Cons oppose.
Yet a stroke impaired radical that can't put together a sentence or thought did. That says a lot more about the American voter than the candidates.
It's entertaining to see Bundes Madschen Silver Shirt frau Steph pretend that the Dems top issue wasn't conversion into breeder dams because race suicide. Quackster Oz made clear his Dred Scott come-alongs position, repeating the slave-catcher demand that State gubmints are better suited to bully godless girls than the general government in Washington. Whatever happened to race suicide? Christianizing the Jezebels if it takes shooting them in the back to make them come to Jesus? Isn't coerced breeding God's Will anymore?