Student Math and Reading Scores Have Dropped Significantly Since 2019
Plus: the internet's ultimate censors, a court hits pause on student loan forgiveness plan, and more...

New results from the National Assessment of Educational Progress offer more evidence that students fell significantly behind during school shutdowns. Across most states and demographic groups, 2022 math and reading scores are down relative to 2019—falling to their lowest levels since the 1990s in reading. But there's a small silver lining: the data suggest students began this year to recover from pandemic disruptions.
The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) is a test given to fourth and eighth graders. It bills itself as the "nation's report card." And the report this year isn't great.
"In 2022, the average fourth-grade mathematics score decreased by 5 points and was lower than all previous assessment years going back to 2005," the NAEP's report card says. "The average eighth-grade mathematics score decreased by 8 points compared to 2019 and was lower than all previous assessment years going back to 2003."
Average reading scores for fourth and eighth graders were down 3 points relative to 2019. "At fourth grade, the average reading score was lower than all previous assessment years going back to 2005 and was not significantly different in comparison to 1992," the report card says. "At eighth grade, the average reading score was lower compared to all previous assessment years going back to 1998 and was not significantly different compared to 1992."
The NAEP exams are "administered by federal officials and is considered more rigorous than many state tests," reports The New York Times. This year's test included almost 450,000 students from more than 10,000 schools.
These results are only the latest to suggest that students fell behind during the early parts of the pandemic, when schools shut down and many students went through long periods of remote instruction. In September, the National Center for Education Statistics "released new data showing a dramatic decline in test scores among American 9-year-olds since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic," as Reason's Emma Camp wrote at the time. And it's not just young children who seem to have suffered—ACT scores are also at their lowest point in three decades.
The latest evidence has kicked off a debate over how much of the decline can be attributed to school shutdowns and whether we're starting to see some student recovery in 2022. Chalkbeat reports:
Peggy Carr, head of the U.S. Department of Education center that administers the exams, said, "There is nothing in this data that tells us there is a measurable difference between states and districts based solely on how long schools were closed." The center did not provide any specific analysis on this issue, though.
A Chalkbeat analysis of the data found mixed evidence. In fourth grade math, states where schools were fully open for longer tended to see smaller declines in scores. In eighth grade math and fourth grade reading there was also a relationship, but it was very modest. In eighth grade reading, there was no correlation at all.
Overall, "correlation with state-level Covid policies is much weaker than I'd have thought," tweeted Matthew Yglesias. But if you look at just 2021 data, he added, the correlation is stronger. Such results suggest "that Zoom School was bad but also that some states have been much more effective than others in bouncing back," he said.
State-level test results also suggest "variation in recovery," according to the Brown University economist Emily Oster.
As for the NAEP data, more in-person schooling was generally consistent with less decline in NAEP math scores, wrote Oster. ("Interesting outliers: California, Hawaii.") In reading scores, there was "no relationship; overall smaller losses, as in the state-level data," she tweeted.
FREE MINDS
The internet's ultimate censors. Internet infrastructure companies—the backend services that keep websites humming—may be the next front in online culture/censorship wars, I suggest at Persuasion:
It was once pretty uncontroversial that the backend businesses of the digital sphere didn't—and shouldn't—exercise a sort of editorial discretion when choosing who they provide services to. Registering a domain was not an endorsement of that domain. Helping secure a site against malicious attacks didn't mean you were aligned with that site's message.
Unfortunately, the public—or at least the extremely online or political portions of it—seems to be moving away from this understanding. More and more, we see social, legal, and political pressure being applied to internet infrastructure companies, urging them to stop providing services for social media applications or websites because of content they publish, communication they permit, or users they allow. Sometimes, as with Kiwi Farms, 8chan, and Parler, these pressure campaigns are successful.
More here.
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A federal court has hit pause on Biden's student loan forgiveness plan. On Friday night, the court temporarily blocked the plan, issuing a stay on enforcement as judges review a legal challenge brought by six states. Here's more from Reason's Eric Boehm:
A day earlier, federal district Judge Henry Autrey had rejected a challenge brought by a group of Republican attorneys general from six states. Although the case raised "important and significant challenges" to Biden's student debt relief plan, Autrey ultimately ruled that the state governments lacked standing—that is, the right to bring a case based on a demonstration of harm and potential remedy.
That decision was immediately appealed to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals in St. Louis, which issued the administrative stay on Friday night. In the order, the court told the Biden administration to take no further action on the debt relief plan until full consideration of the case could occur.
ELECTION 2022
People always believe that current moment is uniquely momentous—and so it goes today, with a majority of voters in a recent NBC poll (57 percent) saying the 2022 midterm elections are more important than midterm elections past. This view makes more sense when you consider how many people believe that stopping their opponents from gaining power is essential for the fate of freedom/democracy/all-that-is-good. Eighty-one percent of Democrats surveyed and 79 percent of Republicans say the other side's agenda "will destroy America as we know it" if not checked. Fifty-four percent of independents agreed with regard to Republicans, and 43 percent agreed with regard to Democrats. The causes for this are probably myriad, but one overlooked fact is the extent to which government is now involved in seemingly all aspects of American lives.
See also:
- "Mutual Hatred Is All Democrats and Republicans Have to Offer"
- "Politics Is Seeping Into Our Daily Life and Ruining Everything"
- "It's Not Just Face Masks. Everything Is Now a Political Death Match."
QUICK HITS
The state of idaho is giving people a $300 tax rebate because of inflation but, like, isn't that just going to make inflation worse? pic.twitter.com/w57UjhOrvK
— Ben Dreyfuss (@bendreyfuss) October 23, 2022
• Rishi Sunak will be the next U.K. Prime Minister.
• Today marks the beginning of the Trump Organization's tax fraud trial.
• A California judge has ruled in favor of Cathy Miller of Tastries Bakery, which declined to make a same-sex wedding cake.
• Stop holding pregnant migrants in detention for longer than necessary, the American Civil Liberties Union and 136 other groups and/or medical professionals are urging Customs and Border Protection.
• "The Texas Department of Public Safety has fired an officer who was among the responders to the mass shooting in Uvalde amid intense scrutiny into how law enforcement reacted as the tragedy unfolded," reports Buzzfeed. "Sgt. Juan Maldonado is the first member of the state police force to be fired after the fallout of the shooting in May that killed 19 children and 2 teachers."
• An Ohio ballot initiative known as Issue 1 "is aimed not just at making safety a consideration for cash bail…but also at removing the Ohio Supreme Court from oversight of bail rules, effectively giving that power exclusively to lawmakers," warns the editorial board of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
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Biden claims in interview student loan giveaway was passed legislatively.
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Sounds like disinformation.
And Beau died in Iraq.
He done got cornpopped
Cornpop’s revenge.
And Fetterman's wife is goin to be Senator (actually, this one's true; Stroke-Addled STEVE SMITH sure won't be doing any of the work).
If you wrote a book with this sort of plot line, nobody would believe it.
They don't even hide it. Biden inviter her but not the husband onto AF1.
Biden's not gay! He only sniffs female hair. I guess he's a biologist.
I’m not sure of that. Since we know he molested his daughter Ashley as a preteen, he may have done so with the boys too. It would explain a lot about Hunter.
He's worse than Woodrow Wilson, who at least had the decency to have a severe enough stroke to not show his face in public again.
That ugly-ass, hunchbacked Lurch not showing his face in public would be doing everyone a favor. Someone needs to put a bag over that mug and that giant cyst growing on the back of his neck.
Just for my information, who's STEVE SMITH?
STEVE SMITH will make you know STEVE SMITH when STEVE SMITH is good and ready
Personally, I feel a lot safer now that the Reason forum is cruising around without a STEVE SMITH locked in the trunk.
STEVE SMITH is an ooooooollllldd inside joke among the long-time board members. Steve Smith's a bankruptcy lawyer from LA and one of Welch's lefty friends. I'll leave it to one of the board's most degenerate poasters, which is saying something, to explain:
Warty 11/18/2009
Flag Comment Mute User
A liberal troll named Steve Smith came around a few times and posted stupid gibberish. He had a link to his stupid blog, which includes photo evidence that he is a shaved sasquatch, and everyone knows sasquatches love rape.
I think I was the first to call him a shaved ape, but I don’t remember who gets credit for the rapist thing. Is this one yours, Xeones?
The whole thing was a running gag on this board for at least half a decade, although most of it died out after The Glibbening.
I wouldn't mind replacing STEVE SMITH with JOHN FETTERMAN if Fester actually wins, but his name just doesn't have the same snap that STEVE SMITH does.
I vaguely remember that. Not as memorable as some of the other nonsensical ravers we've had over the years (who shall remain nameless in case that they're like Beetlejuice and come back from the afterlife).
Too late my friend!
MARY STACK MARY STACK MARY STACK
It's not lying though since he believes it's true.
I don't think this is true, based on his history of lying. He may be aging, and losing his faculties, but overall, he can still manage a conversation. A lot of the speech issues the more right=leaning press try to inflate could be his 'stutter,' worsened w/ age. The guy has always been dishonest, bullying, ignorant, not very bright, and easily distracted. I could be wrong.
Well, look at all the lowlife politicos he’s been surrounded by his entire career. He’s just stealing a page from them.
Student Math and Reading Scores Have Dropped Significantly Since 2019
Long Covid.
CRT, sexualization of children, cutting off girls tits, gender fluidity, and victimization are all at new highs. Which is a good thing.
We need to test for CRT indoctrination and gender fluency, and drop math and reading scores. Math especially is racist anyway.
Low math scores? Where’s the problem?
Wokeness at all time high, math and reading competence on the decline.
Probably unrelated
Totally unrelated. But at least they are focusing on the correct priorities now, right?
Don't forget sel
Think of the lives we saved by making kids stupider.
And more woke.
How do you make school kids more woke? Easy: eliminate NAP time!
The woke are definitely anti-Non aggression principle.
If it saved just one life....
WARNING ⚠️ - Statistics can be deadly to your well being. Please move along now unless you are interested in arguing about nothing important
Is this your new defense for the covid hysteria?
You and the rest of the chicken littles own this, asshole.
He will never admit it.
If only those damn Wreckers had taken the fucking shot!!!
'You are interested in arguing about nothing important,' self-awareness not going to catch up w/ you anytime soon, is it? Statistics that don't support viewpoints you favor are not automatically wrong, and stupid hyperbole is always stupid.
If the democrats keep it up, most high school graduates will be as stupid and ignorant as Tony.
I'd be very interested to see that broken down between homeschooled kids and government institutionalized kids.
Government schools are child abuse.
Vaccine side effects?
If you thought energy rations were only in Europe, welcome to the north east, where companies are already rationing heating oil.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/ryanledendecker/2022/10/23/bidens-next-crisis-home-heating-oil-rationing-begins-in-northeast-and-its-not-even-winter-yet-n1639328
Suffering is a necessary part of all religious movements.
Wood stoves create self sufficiency.
Time to ban them!
(if they haven't already)
Well, you can have the wood stove, but you can't burn wood.
Like you can have a gun, but it has to be locked up and unloaded.
Where I live wood stoves are already mostly illegal due to EPA air quality regulations.
i burn wood anyway even though it's "spare the air" days half the time. Come and take it fuckers
"I, Woodchipper"
Truth in labeling.
American New Englanders should slaughter their democrat territorial resident neighbors and take whatever they need to get by. Since democrats voted for this.
Some top notch British entertainment
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/10/23/meanwhile-in-britain-transwoman-uses-her-penis-to-play-keyboard-on-live-television/
When drag queen story hour becomes too normal.
Russell Brand already did it (probably).
And teen girls swooned... are we really going to pretend we didn't see where all of this was headed after the Second British Invasion?
They robbed Zelenskyy
https://youtu.be/oua0Puihrkc
Not of much. EU agreed to 1.5 billion euro/month for Ukraine, if I recall. Zelensky is selling some serious snake oil.
A look at how the media coveted Rittenhouse crying at trial versus how the red SUV cried at trial.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DefiantLs/status/1583599025453817856
It's cunts all the way down.
somehow it was probably white people and white supremacy's fault that he mowed down and murdered a bunch of people.
Did I CRT right?
Red SUVs Matter.
Parades are oppression.
If he said this in his trial, I would acquit on all charges.
Not guilty by reason of insanity?
Not Guilty by Virtue Of Being Right About Parades
Actually that is the argument from a crt perspective.
The white people by the sole implication of being white are the perpetuates and benifitors of the racial power dynamic. In order to create a equal society, non whites have to be allowed to express themselves against whites.
This is seriously what they believe
This is what [postmodern nazism] looks like
also, a clear-cut case of self defense was obscured, demonized, and attempted to be rail-roaded by the MSM and fucking democratic establishment (and POTUS) because he was guilty of wrong-think while...
A clear-cut case of malicious murder / domestic terror, by a man who has a documented past of making race based threats, who made a conscious decision to kill a bunch of nice old people. This is first memory holed, and now he is getting simp from the MSM and democrat establishment because his ideology lines up with them.
Must be a warm cozy feeling to think you are on the right side of history to be able to have this level of disconnect from reality, while calling others 'fascists'
What man? A red SUV caused the murders.
Again, cunts all the way down.
Be nice, some of my favorite times involve cunts. This is excrement in human form.
Snatch power from the cunts via the ballot box!
(Do I have a bumper sticker here?)
It wasn't so much wrongthink as for having the audacity to make a couple of their stormtroopers suffer the consequences of their stupid actions, instead of laying down to be beaten to death like they think anyone who isn't a commie faggot should do.
"instead of laying down to be beaten to death"
Disagreeing with this attitude as a white cis man is wrong-think to them
the MSM is the prime enemy of the people and it's not even close.
Co-signed.
Edit - And to be 100% clear, Reason.com is part of the MSM.
These results are only the latest to suggest that students fell behind during the early parts of the pandemic, when schools shut down and many students went through long periods of remote instruction.
At least they weren't in school not really infecting overweight teaching staff.
My son just punched the ACT in the cock, this weekend. Of course, he went to a Florida school, which only had online teaching for a couple months, and I helped him in the math. I also directed him to interesting reading assignments (he devoured Larry Correia's books all summer.)
But if you morons in the northeast (where I hear they are still masking and doing online crap) want to make him look like a genius, with your ongoing failure, then keep voting Democrat. Vote early and often!
Weirdly stated
Well, fuck my son could kick your son's ass he just qualified with 120 mm cannon on the Abrams, just kidding. But no he did actually just finish weapons qualifications on the Abrams and this Friday will be fully MOS qualified to be a 19K, armoured crewman. Oh, and Fuck Joe Biden doubly so because of the danger he's putting my son in.
But did he excel in his sensitivity and over Sith training mandated by our tranny Surgeon General?
He's a good soldier, which means that he will say what he has to, without meaning it. It's what we did in my day when we had to do stupid diversity training.
"Today marks the beginning of the Trump Organization's tax fraud trial."
Another bombshell.
We've reached the tipping point.
The walls are closing in.
It's the beginning of the end.
#ItsMuellerTime
I can just imagine Donnie sitting at the kitchen table giggling while he is cheating on his taxes.
I don't suppose Trump does his own taxes any more than he cooks his own meals or does his own laundry. He probably hires the best - at avoiding taxes - firm to do them for him, then signs off without reading the form. His form is also probably a hundred pages long.
And probably bullet-proof.
Is Trump's pen solid gold or just gold-plated?
Probably. Though I always hate that construction of "avoiding taxes"
when that just means taking advantage of the existing tax system to get all the deductions legally allowed.
"...Though I always hate that construction of “avoiding taxes”..."
Yeah, "obeying the law" just doesn't provide the desired innuendo.
That is of course why they are pursuing it this way. Much easier to get their hate-filled marxist footsoldiers on a jury than into th he IRS.
The IRS performed a multi year audit of his taxes. They didn’t find anything. This whole thing is bullshit.
US sending troops to Eastern Europe for Ukrainian Russian War.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/ready-to-defend-every-inch-of-nato-soil-u-s-military-sends-elite-troops-to-eastern-europe-amid-russia-ukraine-war-report
We’ll show those russkies who’s boss.
They'll blind them with their new battle flag,
https://blogs.microsoft.com/wp-content/uploads/prod/2022/06/Pride-hero-art.png
vowing to fight alongside Ukrainian troops in the war against Russia, according to a report.
The Dailywire didn’t support their opening statement. No where in the original CBS story does it state that they are going to fight with Ukrainian troops [edit] against Russia [end].
Not that the sending of the 101s airborne isn’t news.
You are aware of the emergency request for Ukraine to join NATO right?
I know Zelensky is pushing for it and Ukraine's applied. I haven't seen any real discussion of actually allowing them to join.
Doesn't change the fact, that The Dailywire didn't do a good job writing up the story.
Why are they there if not to fight?
Officially, to defend NATO territory in case Russia rolls past the Romania/Ukraine border.
What Moonrock said, plus probably training and advising Ukrainian military. And like I said it is an important story that 101st is being deployed to Romania. Just the DW, didn't make their case for the very first sentence of their article.
JFK sent troops to Cuba (Bay of Pigs to train) because Russia was training and arming them. The US took action despite not being invaded. Do you think Russia thinks differently?
Think differently, no. But I doubt they'll act the same.
More likely the response they gave towards USA support of Afghanistan. Or USA response to Soviet support for Vietnam.
And Putin sent troops on actual invasions, and so did Clinton, Bushes, Reagan, Obama, and probably every President since the Mexican wars.
There is nothing extraordinary about this movement. To exaggerate it into "fighting alongside Ukrainian soldiers" is just typical political hogwash. You are better than that.
Rest assured they will see action.
Wouldn't surprise me, but the claim that they're vowing to fight alongside Ukrainian troops in the war against Russia is patently false. That's the kind of making-shit-up reporting I'd expect from the Washington Post.
This.
Also, I should point out that it's possible the original CBS report had something in there to that effect that was later scrubbed.
Remember that 90%(?) of ground combat is logistics. I can imagine US expertise managing a supply chain that hands over critical material at the border.
This isn't too much of a surprise, since we've been doing exercises in Poland ever since they joined NATO. It's just interesting that we're increasing troop presence if the Ukrainians are supposedly beating the Russians back anyway.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/us-military-rated-as-weak-may-not-be-able-to-win-one-war-as-tensions-grow-with-china-russia/
Code name "operation wolverine"
Please, given the top brass focus on diversity, inclusion and "white rage" there is no way they'd pick a cool, aggressive code name like that. They'd be more likely to go with "Eastern Pride" or a trans affirming, non-threatening code name.
Clearly you missed the second best Patrick swazy movie ever
Red dawn
1. Road house
2. Red dawn
3. Point break
4. Donny darko
5. Dirty dancing
6. Ghost
Haha, just watched that. Found out my wife never saw it, and I told her it’s a must see.
Shrike probably cried when Swayze’s character got outed as a child molester.
Did someone tell Biden the 1980s called and want their foreign policy back?
Laugh out loud. CBS is calling the puking buzzards an elite unit? Fuck, they don't even do airborne anymore that heliborne. Basically, they're what every infantry unit did in Vietnam and has done since Vietnam. They just get to wear the red beret because they used to be airborne. I suppose that means every Army infantry division is an elite division. Fuck, civilian media.
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"There is nothing in this data that tells us there is a measurable difference between states and districts based solely on how long schools were closed." The center did not provide any specific analysis on this issue, though.
I would assume if red states were the same or worse than blue we would be seeing that data front and center.
But the kids in red states are all dead.
Student test score fortification?
Just the fat ones.
I thought all MAGAs were fat.
Just the fat ones. And Jeff.
Jeffy probably consumes more calories in ice cream per day than the sum total of all food consumed in a month by an entire Ethiopian village.
It is noteworthy that a later quote from ENB discusses how California and Hawaii are outliers. As if you can determine policies at the state level.
It probably doesn't need to be said, but California is a massive state and had various responses to the pandemic depending on which county and district you lived in. Yes, the Governor's administration did their very, very best to keep everyone closed down hiding in their homes. But in my county, the schools were largely open starting around November 2020.
I would also note that if you corrected for demographics, you would probably see that California still did poorly...We just have a huge asian community that tends to do well on tests, and get tutoring and support outside the Public School system.
We can’t be sure about Crime and whether it really is going up or what caused it, but we can be sure about Reading….
We can’t be sure about Crime and whether it really is going up or what caused it,
Least week Reason was sure enough crime isn't going up to claim people who criticized wokeness for the increase are stupid. It turns out whether crime is provably increasing or not depends entirely on who is being criticized.
This greatly increases my confidence in libertarian articles. This used to be the place to come to get reliable information.
Whitemike, with his never ending support of teen reason, will tell you that they don’t journalism here, just give things to talk about over coffee.
"A federal court has hit pause on Biden's student loan forgiveness plan."
I have faith in Biden. He'll find a way to give me and my progressive friends that wealth transfer we've been expecting.
#LibertariansForBiden
With his sharp mind and quick intellect, I’m sure he already has a plan to override the activist judge .
A cunning plan, no doubt.
Just keep Biden your time OBL!
Unfortunately, the public—or at least the extremely online or political portions of it—seems to be moving away from this understanding.
How the extremely online came to so much power is beyond me.
Future historians will look back at 2022 in bewilderment at how a $300 check to a million potato farmers collapsed the world's largest economy.
… the public—or at least the extremely online…
Are the commentariat considered “extremely online “?
Is anyone that works at a computer for most of their work days not?
What differentiates "regular online" and "extremely online?"
Is it similar to regular right wing and right wing extremist (i.e. anyone not a Democrat)?
Nobody needs 23 kinds of numbers (or to count to 23).
How much did ancestry dot com pay you to post that?
Certainly not a non-number value, that’s for sure.
Ctrl+F "abort" = 0
Yikes. Somebody's off her game this morning. 😉
#AbortionAboveAll
She even skipped DeSantis eating thigh food.
There's something fishy about that story.
Fake meat = fake news
That’s the best piece of the chicken.
Just so he doesn't call duct, duck. That's what I look for in a politician.
Spelling and grammar are racist!
You say potato and I say potatoe.
Stop showing your “whiteness “.
... one overlooked fact is the extent to which government is now involved in seemingly all aspects of American lives.
The frogs enjoyed the rising water temperature.
"Just two more weeks"
Stop fighting back. Accept your cultural betters. Fighting back is what causes the culture war. Just submit.
Izzat chu, Rev. Artie? 😉
That’s Captain James T Kirkland to you! Carry on, Klingon!
+1
Full-grown frogs will jump out of any water at any temperature, silly. It's the tadpoles that live in water.
The state of idaho is giving people a $300 tax rebate because of inflation but, like, isn't that just going to make inflation worse?
The extent to which one who worked in journalism uses filler words such as "like" is remarkable.
When they use "super-" to emphasize the extent of something, its hard not to cringe
It’s super annoying.
I totally, like, get what you’re saying.
Uber is more uplyfting
The state of Idaho is refunding money from the Idaho budget. Idaho is not printing more fucking money.
If the state has the money , it’s good, if the people have the money, it’s bad.
I’m hopping the Twitter twat is being sarcastic, I fear he’s not.
“The state of Idaho is refunding money from the Idaho budget.”
As opposed to California’s “Inflation Relief Checks”.
Idaho certainly has their heads on straight, might deserve some coverage from Reason on Idaho’s red state (gasp) Libertarian solution to help people combat inflation.
Conservatives are yucky.
I just became aware of the existence of this Ben Dreyfuss guy a couple of days ago. (He's the son of Richard Dreyfuss.) He don't seem too bright.
Wokies rarely are.
Could you put that in twitter form, please?
#PutDreyfussOnTrial
(Got that one from Herr Misek)
Because all Jews are liars, or some such bullshit.
"Stop holding pregnant migrants in detention for longer than necessary, the American Civil Liberties Union and 136 other groups and/or medical professionals are urging Customs and Border Protection."
How long does it take for "free" abortions?
If an illegal migrant trans man cant get a taxpayer funded abortion, then literal fascism is happening
If we hold them longer than 9 months, they won’t be pregnant anymore.
I'm guessing there is no birthright citizenship if the kid drops while the mother is detained. That is why they want a quick release.
Corrwct
Today marks the beginning of the Trump Organization's tax fraud trial.
The Untouchables' moment to shine.
"Student Math and Reading Scores Have Dropped Significantly Since 2019"
Bad democrat policies everyone told them would be disastrous fail terribly.
Also, water...still wet
But what about teacher unions membership?
2-year paid leave.
ALSO— Raising a new generation of innumerates? Lizzie Warren smiles.
A California judge has ruled in favor of Cathy Miller of Tastries Bakery, which declined to make a same-sex wedding cake.
California really needs to have more than one bakery.
Or just two opposite-sex cakes.
Separate but equal bakeries.
We’ve got a new gay bakery down the street. They’re called “Check Out OUR Cakes!”
(Personally, I don’t get it…)
Not to worry. Cali will soon allow only gender-fluid cakes (baked with solar power).
But the one oven to be small enough to be powered by solar is an easy bake oven, which requires an incandescent bulb, which has been banned
It takes forever to bake a gay cake with an led bulb.
Gender fluid is needed to make the icing.
How the fuck did this end up under a judge in California that ended up not being some wokel yokel?
Looks like the bakery is in Bakersfield. Which means inland empire, which means very, very different politics than what California is known for.
It's easy to forget that California is 70% liberal, but that still means like 12 million conservatives are there.
Good point. Especially in that part of California; I think the northern counties are the only ones in the state that are more conservative.
I think the northern counties are the only ones in the state that are more conservative.
The divide is East-West - Bakersfield is technically So Cal, but everything east of the Coastal Ranges tends to be pretty conservative, even the Sacramento area (outside of the city center).
I have cousins in Merced. That area is still heavily conservative
That 70% is also largely in a tiny strip along much of the coast and not much outside that.
It's always fun to point out when local lefties want to break of from the US as if they believe they would keep the rural interior.
Looks like the bakery is in Bakersfield. Which means inland empire, which means very, very different politics than what California is known for.
^
A bakery in Bakersfield? Eh fuck it. This one’s too easy…
This article gives some more details of what happened. It sounds like other same-sex couples have gotten cakes there, but only because the employees hid it from the owners. The two same-sex couples who were refused tried to attend cake tastings (and, it looks like, the lesbian couple at the heart of this case never got as far as the selection of a cake):
https://www.bakersfield.com/news/lesbian-couple-rejected-by-tastries-bakery-says-they-will-pursue-legal-action/article_95655990-8ead-11e7-9474-5bf5c8d0d082.html
That read like propaganda.
If Mike linked to it, it is propaganda.
GIANT DISCLAIMER (because I know many commenters here will willfully misinterpret anything I say): I don’t support any law that compels a baker to bake a cake for someone if they don’t want to do so.
One subtlety here is the baker and the lesbian couple never got to the point in the process where the couple ordered a cake. So, there was no request for any words written on the cake or little plastic lesbian cake toppers. Which means it is not clear this case qualifies as being about free speech issues. At the point where they were at in the process, it was purely about refusing service.
The article ENB linked to says "The decision was welcomed as a First Amendment victory by Miller and her pro-bono attorneys with the conservative Thomas More Society."
It would be interesting, though, to be able to see the decision. Did the judge rule on First Amendment grounds?
I can't find the decision online. Does anybody have a link?
You do know the 1A covers other topics than speech don't you? It was ruled the government of California was punishing her for her religious choices (during the interview they even grilled her for hours on her religious convictions, her knowledge of the Bible, and tried to imply that she didn't actually believe what she said she believed). Additionally, she says she has sold to homosexuals and done business with them but won't participate in weddings, she even referred the couple to another bakery. The ironic thing was, the law California cited to punish her under was specifically written to protect people from being punished for their religious beliefs and convictions. The judge cited that and the way over the board questioning of the baker, including bible quizzing, in his decision. I unmuted you so I could point this out and show how fucking stupid you are. Yes, it's a 1A case because it deals with freedom of religion, idiot. Try reading the 1A. And try finding better sources for your information that actually address the facts, not twist them to push a false narrative.
Thank you for your informative and civil reply. It was so pleasant to hear from you.
You are absolutely correct, the First Amendment can mean religious freedom, not just speech. I should have thought of that. I'm sure that makes me an "idiot".
Would you be so kind as to link to wherever you heard about all of these details?
Look it up yourself, because I'm sure the article I read you'll dismiss for being biased, despite it actually stating the facts from the court transcripts.
Oh, and yes it does make you look like an idiot. Really, by writing a whole paragraph about it not being a 1A case because it wasn't speech, when it was a religious freedom case does make you look like an uninformed idiot, sorry, but if the shoe fits.
OK. You know what, not being afraid to ask questions and look foolish served me well in school and career.
You really can’t make me feel ashamed on that front. Yeah, I didn’t think of the religious aspect of the First Amendment.
In a non-hostile conversation that would be no big deal. Hey, but you are all about the hostility.
No, again it's not about hostility it's about you rendering opinions on things you lack facts about and could easily discover for yourself. And because of your lack of curiosity and your narrow mindedness you looked like an idiot. Asking a simple question doesn't take a while fucking paragraph. Also, this is the second time this couple has lost, but they keep appealing it and the courts keep sending it back down and the decision remains the same. It took me a while ten seconds with one hand typing to find the story and read it from multiple sources. Rather than doing the work yourself, you cry for citations, and it's blatantly obvious it's a tactic of yours to imply we're lying. You do it all the time and it's so blatantly obvious it's not funny. If I have hostility towards you, it's because you're so intellectually dishonest and or lazy when anything runs contrary to your preferred narrative.
Not sure why you are calling a conversational observation an “opinion”.
Oh, well, putting you back on mute. Thought you might want to engage in civil conversation as you once did long ago before you decided to join the Mean Girls clique.
Oh well, if you look, I tend to be hostile to only people who are disingenuous. And I've always done that. It's not something new. Maybe you might want to consider how I became hostile to you? Was it because you called me a liar right after I gave you a citation you asked for? Hmmm, gee I wonder.
“Was it because you called me a liar right after I gave you a citation you asked for?”
I don’t remember doing that, and doubt that I did. I do vaguely recall that I used to have decent conversations with you, then you started acting strange and accusing me of saying things I never said.
Gee, did you just call me a liar again? Why yes you did, by saying you doubt you ever did. Thanks for proving my point.
Nice bitchslap Soldier.
“Gee, did you just call me a liar again?”
“Hey, I’m just gonna sit her and insult you with vague accusations. If you defend yourself, you are the bad guy.”
You do not believe in the 1st Amendment, Mike.
Even a small hint as to where you looked or what you searched on? I’m genuinely curious about learning more about this case.
I just gave you the facts that your citation missed. But here is one article, and it also appears the fact that the couple wanted her to design a cake for them crossed into artistic expression as well as freedom of religion. She also offered to sell them a premade cake and referred them to another bakery when they declined.
This is not the story I referred to but was easily found on DuckDuckGo.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-court-rules-favor-christian-baker-refused-bake-cake-lesbian-wedding because it's FNC, I'm sure you'll nitpick it.
Thank you.
Why would I nitpick? I’m on the side of the bakery having control of whom they do business with.
See above.
So, I read the article and have no nits to pick. It was informative.
PrIvAtE cOmPaNy
They can get lesbian wedding cake online,
https://tinyurl.com/fkjzwhfb
Tastes like home.
"will destroy America as we know it"
WEF GLOBALIST SOROS PEDOPHILE JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!
Walke is no four points up on Warnock. It is got to kill you to see that uppity coon going to the Senate. Life as an old time Democratic racist is really hard, isn't it?
Soros was literally a Nazi party member and Hitler Youth. When other kids his age joined the resistance, he raided Jewish homes.
The same can be said of Klaus Schwab's family history.
Criticizing actual fascists will never be antisemitic, you deranged fuck.
Give him a break. He is just angry and lashing out because an uppity negro is going to win the Georgia Senate seat. Life is hard when you are a racist piece of shit like Shreek is.
the worst kind of black person to a dem is one that tries to get off the woke plantation
Why even have darkies around if they don't do your bidding?
How many Tiki torches do you three own total?
Why don't you complain about Clearance Thomas having a white wife some more. You bitched about that for years.
You are the most disgusting racist I have ever encountered.
In addition to being racist, Buttplug is also a pedophile.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled shit-pile and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"How many Tiki torches do you three own total?"
Didn't the Tiki Torch racists turn out to be Democrat-supporting NeverTrumpers?
Let's see: Lincoln Project members pose as white supremacists at Virginia GOP event
Yup.
How many Tiki torches do you own, Pluggo?
Also, let's not impugn tiki torches either way. Throwing a Luau for friends and family is a good time to be had.
And the smoke keeps the mosquitos down.
This. We’ve got our fire pit surrounded by tiki torches with citronella and cedarwood oil. Works great.
How many links to child pornography do you have bookmarked on your computer?
100% of his bookmarks
The Lincoln Project bought up all the Tiki torches. They’d love for you to join, your pedophilia is an A+.
https://tinyurl.com/3xssvrhk
I wouldn't be surprised if that got him a platinum, lifetime membership and a free ticket to Kristol's annual cruise.
How do we even know that guy is black? Did he vote for Biden?
Why else would he think Soros is one of the good ones?
A real example of “whiteness”.
You were the one calling walker a house N at his press conference, weren't you.
So the child molester supports a nazi.
Your classy you pedo fag
But GWAR told me America Must Be Destroyed
I’m not aware Soros fucks kids. We know YOU fuck kids, but until I see something indicating otherwise. I’ll give Soros the benefit of the doubt that he personally doesn’t rape children. Unlike you.
Soros’ Judaism is also not at issue here. I’m not even sure he is really a practicing Jew. Also, most conservative like Jews and are pro Israeli. We just don’t like wokie leftists. Unfortunately, many American Jews are wokie leftists. It’s the leftist part that’s the problem, not their religion.
But since you’re a goddamned sleazy lying pederastic leftist, you will keep repeating your lies.
"Eighty-one percent of Democrats surveyed and 79 percent of Republicans say the other side's agenda "will destroy America as we know it" if not checked. Fifty-four percent of independents agreed with regard to Republicans, and 43 percent agreed with regard to Democrats. The causes for this are probably myriad, but one overlooked fact is the extent to which government is now involved in seemingly all aspects of American lives."
But 100% of Democrats and Republicans demanded MOAR GOVERNMENT!
But the democrats have literally said they want to dimantal America. How is it wrong to take them at their word?
Stop holding pregnant migrants in detention for longer than necessary...
Anchors away?
No one is held in an immigration detention center. Every single person in there, can leave any time they want. They just have to agree to go back to the country they came from.
BOOO
If they are given 'free' abortions, can they be held within the terms of the law? This being the only issue other than motherhood-related and sex work about which enb seems concerned.
The Texas Department of Public Safety has fired an officer who was among the responders to the mass shooting in Uvalde...
Surprised it wasn't the cop trying to get in to save his wife.
Should really call them non-responders.
First desponders.
First aiders and abetters.
First accessories.
These results are only the latest to suggest that students fell behind during the early parts of the pandemic, when schools shut down and many students went through long periods of remote instruction.
That doesn't suggest it. It shows it with hard data, you fucking silly cow. There really is an IQ test you have to fail to get hired by reason.
Reason Rundown
New California Laws Will Create ‘Ideological Purity Test’ for Police by Banning Ties to ‘Hate’ and ‘Bias,’ Critics Say.
legit wondering when they will come out with the "anti-wrongthink law" in california. I am almost certain we see a version this decade
Right after the “anti whiteness “ test.
Just one drop.
My mother did a genetic ancestry and it turns out she is 1/16th German Jew, which would have made her Grandmother 1/4 Jewish and if her Grandparents hadn't immigrated to the US, it probably wouldn't have turned out so well for her (or us). It's been extremely interesting as my families done this. Found out we're slightly Jewish on my Mom's side and slightly Saamish from my Dad's Norwegian grandparents. Considering how both we're treated by their governments in the 20th century, I thank God they immigrated to the US in the 19th Century.
That is well worth pondering. Thanks for sharing.
Oh yeah, and….
Fuck Herr Misek
they already have for doctors so now cops already teachers then, soon do you want a drivers license must think correctly
They already did. It's illegal for doctors to disagree with the political narrative
Like several experts have pointed out , if this had been the law in the past, and they lived in California, Jenner, Pasteur and Lister would have lost their medical licenses. Gee, dieing from smallpox, rabies, food born illnesses and nosocomial infections would be worth not questioning The Science ™ and trusting The Experts™.
Dr Leonard Wood would also have lost his license, but dieing of yellow fever and malaria is also worth it.
Next news story: CA cannot understand why they're unable to find people to become police officers. Mass chaos ensues.
Reason Rundown
Watch: U.S. 101st Airborne Division deployed near Ukraine’s border.
Absolute insanity
Remember when we were all assured that that lunatic Trump was going to start a nuclear war if he ever got into the White House? Good times.
Good thing we put "the adults back in charge".
If by adults you mean neocons, establishment Democrats, and corporate arms dealers, then OK.
They don't seem very "adult" do they?
Remember when we were all assured that that lunatic Trump was going to start a nuclear war if he ever got into the White House?
I think the most surprising thing is that they got a white guy to play Reagan in their re-imagining of the Cold War for the modern era.
Look at it this way: it’s the best way to get your mind off the collapsing economy.
So, like Wag The Dog except the war isn't fake?
You’re not going to fool anyone with a fake war. We have a serious problem, and we need a real war to divert attention.
Will it be on Netflix?
no but CNN will carry every second of it
Even the parts that don't happen!
Those are the most interesting parts.
You act like Hillary helicopter wasn't shot down
Was that before or after she had to dodge those bullets?
Democrats are the underpants gnomes of geopolitics.
Step one: Start a war with Russia
Step two: ???
Step three: Win election
Step 3 is still profit. The democrats and Atlantic council all have money in Ukraine.
I wonder how much China paid Hunter to get Joe to start a war with Russia?
I prefer Canadian Bacon. John Candy was a national treasure and even if he is a dipshit proggies, Alan Alda is a great actor.
Alan Alda has a limited range. A great actor can play anything from Shakespeare to Slapstick.
Maybe you're right and my opinion is based on growing up watching MASH.
I would state his character in Canadian Bacon was far removed from Hawkeye Pierce, though.
The hospital scene with the candy stripers was priceless! I couldn’t believe that got in to a Hollywood flick
quickest way to get America involved is to put American troops in risky spots so they can be killed like the good little pawns they will be.
these people have a war boner that they can put their name to until its time to pull out
No sooner than November 2024.
Worked for FDR, moving the Pacific Fleet was opposed by the entire Naval High Command, Pearl Harbor didn't have the support facilities to supply and service the fleet, and was considered to insecure compared to our continental Pacific coast bases, also studies showed due to Pearl Harbor's deficiencies in facilities, that it was actually quicker to sortie the fleet from California and Washington than from Pearl if it was needed in the West Pacific. FDR and his hand picked Chief of Naval Ops and SecNavy, ordered it anyhow. It was probably a blessing in disguise (except for the casualties) as the destruction of the Battleship Fleet made the Navy higher ups rely on the aircraft carriers, when their prior war plan relied on the battleship and saw aircraft carriers as auxillary vessels.
Since I can't use the edit feature I should say it was opposed by almost the entire Naval High Command.
isn't it also how we got involved in Vietnam put a ship to close so they would hit it
And when they didn't play along, faked it. Yes.
US Airborne Division Deployed to Ukraine Border
Possible “Hail Mary” for the election if needed, or for the bigger election coming up.
Was there a senate vote on this?
Funny
thank god that loose cannon Trump isn't in office or we might have some international conflicts brewing....
I cannot emphasize this enough. If you want neocon foreign policy, if you want the US military to police the entire globe — you must vote Democrat.
Here's how Democratic Senate candidates attack their Republican opponents: JD Vance doesn't "really care what happens to Ukraine."
Doesn't. Care. About. Ukraine. Absolutely shameful.
It's like, helloooooooooo? Ukraine is a member of NATO. That means Russia might as well have invaded New York.
Or, fine, maybe Ukraine isn't technically a member. Whatever. They might as well be. Look, the point is Biden is 100% right to wage proxy war against the country that cheated Hillary Clinton in 2016. Please vote Democrat in the midterms so the billions of dollars keep flowing to Ukraine uninterrupted.
#LibertariansForProxyWars
Besides, we need to use those nukes before they go past their expiration dates.
Just like vaccines.
Not sure how we're going to fight as we've dramatically cut into our supply of munitions, especially artillery and anti-armor, by giving them to Ukraine and the latest projections are that it will take a decade to rebuild adequate stockpiles. But hey, who needs enough 155mm artillery shells for a land war in Europe? Tony assured us that the days of needing infantry and other ground troops are numbered. The same as has been said for every year since the 1919, sooner or later they'll be proven right.
Remember folks, that forcing the Germans to sign on the dotted line in June of 1919, and disarm, as well as the Naval Treaties negotiated in the 1920s insured we never had to fight another major war ever again.
If you use up all your supplies you are left with only the ultimate weapon. Lats go Nucklear had no choice since we had nothing left to defend our selves with
People laugh and stuff at it but this is really why the US and the Soviets never getting end up in a third world war. Because sooner or later someone was going to conclude that it was time to go nuclear if they were fighting.
Actually, I was all pumped and ready for this coming war, and then it hit me—-What is the typical level of CO2 emissions caused by a large-scale war like that?? Does anyone know?
Ohio is asking voters if law makers should have control of the bail rules, what could go wrong here? It might be good if they spent some time and really addressed problems with bail. I think it more likely that they will get tough and just make the problem worse. If people cannot get bail the courts and jail will get bogged down and police will compensate by not arresting people for minor offenses. Police on street will be making calls that should be made in court.
I think it more likely that they will get tough and just make the problem worse.
When people trusted to exercise judgement instead based their decisions on ideologically driven wishful thinking voters will take that discretion away. An adult would focus on ensuring people trusted to exercise good judgment actually do so. A propagandist tries to refocus attention on literally anything else.
If people cannot get bail the courts and jail will get bogged down and police will compensate by not arresting people for minor offenses.
People not getting bail will not clog the courts up any more than they already are. Not getting bail doesn't mean you get extra hearings or are any more of a burden on the courts.
As far as clogging the jails up, we had cash bail for literally over a century and we have seen the results of getting rid of it. It made matters much worse. Gee, letting criminals out of jail causes more crime. Who knew?
"Gee, letting criminals out of jail causes more crime"
They not convicted of crimes and so the state has a limited right to hold someone. There are cases where cash bail is appropriate and others where it is not. I think judges even when making bad calls are the best place to decide on bail not at the state legislative level.
There are cases where cash bail is appropriate and others where it is not.
Which is the system we had before leftist assholes enacted cashless bail. Thanks for playing.
So, you're argument is because the pendulum swung way to far fucking left, and now people are upset, your worried it will swing to far right? Gee, no one warned you idiot leftists, that this was going to happen. Oh wait a minute, yes we did multiple times.
Democrat election officials continue to try and deny poll watchers. Judges are striking down the illegal guidance ahead of elections this time.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/24/judge-strikes-down-michigan-secretary-of-states-restrictions-on-poll-challengers/
I think the election is going to be beyond the margin of fraud in most places. I don't think even the Philadelphia fraud machine is saving Uncle Fester in Pennsylvania for example.
I think were going to see electoral fraud on the level of ballot boxes being burned in public and replaced with stacks of photocopies.
And the bureaucrats and courts will ignore it, and the press will call you racist for bringing it up, and social media will deplatform you, and if you legally challenge them you'll lose your bank account, credit cards and Paypal.
Maybe but I doubt it. That stuff already happens and has for a very long time in places like Philadelphia. I don't think they can steal this one. We will see.
Uncle Fester or Dr. Frankenstein, what a choice! What were the Primary voters thinking?
Oz seems okay. I don't quite get why people are so down on him. Given the clowns that currently inhabit the Senate, I really can't see how he is any worse than what we have. And he is certainly a lot better than Fetterman.
HE CROSSED STATE LINES!
Oz is just another empty suit that's cashing in on his celebrity to run for office. He'd be better than Fetterman just because he's not Fetterman, but that's damning with faint praise.
I think he will be better than at least a quarter of the Republicans already there. Yes, that is damning with faint praise.
Oz was a sensationalists on his TV show but seems decent enough on his campaign. It remains to be seen how good a senator he'll be, but Fetterman has a long history as a politician and elected official to see what he does. And his hometown he was mayor of is evidence enough that even an empty suit will be better than him.
This the kind of poll watcher you want;
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3700336-arizona-officials-deeply-concerned-by-armed-vigilantes-at-ballot-drop-box/
Oh no, run for the hills, armed vigilantes. Do you need a fainting couch?
Eric Holder was fine with Black Panthers armed with batons outside of polling stations? What is your concern?
Open carry is legal in Arizona. So is concealed. It isnt strange here to see it. Sorry youre so scared.
"Eric Holder was fine with Black Panthers armed with batons outside of polling stations?"
Come on Jesse. That was different, for uh, reasons. STFU!
Good to see Reason's alt-text game making a comeback.
Rather see lobster girl than alt-text.
You know you can look it up anytime you can’t draw on the spank bank.
Looks like Lobster Girls will bake a gay wedding cake even if you have three grooms.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/vintageroadside/6169565335
"The Texas Department of Public Safety has fired an officer who was among the responders to the mass shooting in Uvalde amid intense scrutiny into how law enforcement reacted as the tragedy unfolded," reports Buzzfeed. "Sgt. Juan Maldonado is the first member of the state police force to be fired after the fallout of the shooting in May that killed 19 children and 2 teachers."
There's a vid of this guy who was kind enough to hold the door open for other cops, who didn't do a lot more than he did.
“This year's test included almost 450,000 schools from more than 10,000 schools.”
?♂️
Reading scores are so bad they're affecting the journalist pool.
Math is racist.
How do you figure?
"...But there's a small silver lining: the data suggest students began this year to recover from pandemic disruptions."
Seems ENB doesn't know what the phrase "silver lining" means.
It certainly doesn't mean 'we *might* recover from the disaster visited upon us by tin-pot dictator wannbes'
I fell and broke my leg last week, but the silver lining is that it is healing now.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Hey, just feel lucky you didn’t break two legs!
See, silver linings everywhere!
You just have to want to see them.
Silver lining? Yeah, we'll see.
Broke my right hand three weeks ago. It fucking sucks as I'm really right handed. Can't fence, can't hunt, texting and typing are more difficult (that's why I've not commented much lately), can't write a check, barely use a fork, can't use chopsticks at all, fuck even jerking off is hard and taking a piss, opening a beer is difficult. Can't wait until November 14th when I get this fucking thing off.
I cut my right hand badly back in my 20s. I had to have my thumb immobilized for six weeks. It drove me nuts.
I notice little mention, so far, in the mainstream news about the US having 25 days of diesel supply left. Maybe 24, 23 now. Or maybe that's the amount in reserve after the current production/use is determined. I imagine that the number is fishy anyway, can't be bothered to chase it down and test its accuracy, or even be terrifically bothered by the collusion between the mainstream press and gov't to sideline this news until after the midterms. BUT ...
Just sayin, a single east coast refinery doing some "scheduled maintenance" on the diesel/kerosene stacks could turn this election into a rout, you know?
I don't trust the right-wing media much more than I do the major media. The right-wing media can make mountains out of mole hills too. The problem with that story is that the doofuses writing it, as far as I can tell, refuse to give any context to it. They say it is the "lowest since 2008". That is a long time, but I don't recall the world coming to an end in 2008 over a diesel shortage either.
Maybe this is a ticking time bomb ready to destroy the economy and leave us all splitting into biker gangs fighting to the death over the remaining cans of tuna fish or maybe not. Without more explanation and context, it is impossible to tell. What exactly is the proper supply of diesel for the economy? I don't know. Do you?
but I don’t recall the world coming to an end in 2008 over a diesel shortage either.
Everything was just peachy in 2008.
But you are correct to have a healthy bit of skepticism.
At the same time, you don't have to be a genius to recognize the stupidity of running the tank on E and declaring your supply dangerously low while the price of refined petroleum products are at an all-time high because your administration is subsidizing EVs and destabilizing energy prices by fighting a proxy war.
It seems pretty stupid. Again, without context of how much of a supply the country normally has and why it is at 25 days and if it is going to get worse and why, there is no way to judge it. The mere fact that we are down to 25 days alone doesn't mean much.
Meh. Who needs diesel anyway?
From what I can see, it looks like we have about half the diesel fuel inventory we had 2 years ago.
That helps some. The question is how did it get that low and is it going to go any lower? It clearly isn't good. The question is how bad it is. And I can't tell.
The question is how did it get that low
Wait, seriously?
It was all just freak accidents and crazy one time only events that nobody could have predicted and could easily be cured by draining more of our strategic petroleum reserve and selling it to the Chinese.
Petroleum is not diesel. I don't think we depended upon our petroleum reserve for our current supply of diesel.
Maybe this is the worst thing ever, but I need a better explanation for why than I am getting.
Doctor: Mr. Cunningham! You need to lie back down. You've got a racist cancer that's spreading internally. It's damaged most of your vital organs, fucking up your reproductive system, and is preventing you from returning to work. We've prescribed a mask and administered a vaccine to help, but apparently that's making you stupider. There's a Russian at the door who says he's going to shoot you if you try and get out of bed because he thinks you blew up one of his blood banks and the Saudi Princes who usually cover a portion of your medical bills and/or donate a little blood for you in these situation have said they aren't going to help you this time because you've been actively denouncing them for the last 2 yrs.... also, on that note, most people's blood turns over every 30 days to maintain vitality and viability but, because of all the other stress, your isn't turning over at the normal rate. I can't say whether you'll be dead in the next 2 weeks, or 6 months, or 6 yrs., but things aren't good.
Briggs Cunningham: I don't understand. Exactly how bad is it that my blood isn't turning over normally? If I get fresh blood in the next 30 days, I'll be good, right?
Do you have any evidence that the reserve of diesel is going to continue to go down? Unless it gets to zero, who cares what it is? You can't just point to some random ass number and say, "all is lost". Stop being so fucking stupid. This is the kind of dumb shit chemjeff and Mike Laurson pull.
Unless it gets to zero, who cares what it is?
It will never get to zero because when it gets low enough to make suppliers nervous, they're going to raise prices. So until there's a major price hike I figure the supply is just fine.
For those who don't know, petroleum is not diesel, but all diesel is petroleum. The Strategic Petroleum Reserves largely hold their petroleum as sweet and sour crude.
As to why the diesel supply is dwindling, several important refineries have recently gone offline. See: American oil refineries shutter amid Biden's hostile fossil fuel policies
You can’t just point to some random ass number and say, “all is lost”. Stop being so fucking stupid.
Patrolman: We pulled the body out of the river with a half-dozen 9mm holes in it, through and through, center mass.
Det. Cunningham: Hmmm... 9mm? That number seems kinda random. I'm gonna need to know the average number of 9mm holes in the human chest cavity before I can form a reasonable opinion about this.
Patrolman: Detective, this man was a known associate of several...
Det. Cunningham: Look, patrolman. We don't know what's going on around here and until we find out exactly what the normal number of 9mm holes in the human torso is. Until then, we can't jump to any conclusions. There's nothing to see here.
Petroleum is not diesel.
Where the fuck do you think diesel comes from?
Mother's Lament becomes the first person who has said anything intelligent about this. Yes, we are shutting down refineries. That is bad. But, are we shutting down so many we are going to run out of diesel? I don't know. You are least give some evidence that might be true. And that is a start.
As to why the diesel supply is dwindling, several important refineries have recently gone offline. See: American oil refineries shutter amid Biden’s hostile fossil fuel policies
Exactly what is the right number of American oil refineries for an administration to shutter via policy in any given election cycle? I'm going to need to see more context.
The folks running the US refineries were talking about this last week. I don't have the link on hand. ML is correct of course, petroleum is refined into a variety of fuels, diesel being one. Diesel is not the primary product, petrol is. From what I recall, the specific quotes from the refinery exec did not paint a sunny picture on the short term. Diesel has a particularly bad rep w/ the green movement, based on out of date pollution figures. This 'common wisdom' ignores not just major improvements in technology, but the fact that rail, trucking, and sea freight are diesel-driven. The second part of my argument is not tied to your question, and may be something that you know, but it bears repeating, often.
But, are we shutting down so many we are going to run out of diesel?
Maybe. Refineries weren't closed down in the past due to pandemics and government hostility to fossil fuels. We're in unknown territory.
"We removed the following refineries from total U.S. operable capacity after they closed:
The Philadelphia Energy Solutions refinery in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: 335,000 b/cd
The Shell refinery in Convent, Louisiana: 211,146 b/cd
The Tesoro (Marathon) refinery in Martinez, California: 161,000 b/cd
The HollyFrontier refinery in Cheyenne, Wyoming: 48,000 b/cd
The Western Refining refinery in Gallup, New Mexico: 27,000 b/cd
The Dakota Prairie refinery in Dickinson, North Dakota: 19,000 b/cd"
There are new refineries being built but they're smaller and are doing different tasks, not always with fuel.
"Although U.S. refining capacity decreased in 2021, the number of operable refineries in the United States increased from 129 refineries to 130 refineries. Two new facilities came online in 2021, but a much larger refinery shut down. The new facilities are the Texas International Terminals facility in Galveston, Texas, where a 45,000 b/cd atmospheric distillation unit was built at a refined products terminal, and the Talley Asphalt Products facility in Kern, California, where a 1,700 b/cd distillation unit was reported as part of an asphalt plant.
The Phillips 66 refinery in Belle Chasse, Louisiana, (also called the Alliance refinery) stopped refining operations following substantial flooding related to Hurricane Ida in late 2021. This refinery had an operating capacity of 255,600 b/cd." - U.S. refinery capacity decreased during 2021 for second consecutive year
Sorry if I wasn't clear. You're being generously acontextual. You're actively having tourniquets applied and being stabbed to death. Is the appropriate question "Exactly how little blood can the human body survive on?" or "Whom do I have to kill to make the bleeding stop?"
We have a 25-day supply. So, we are not out of it. I would need more information to conclude that a 25-day supply is insufficient much less catastrophically so.
So, with a 50 day supply, you'd be OK with Biden and Harris having a contest over who would end fracking, subsidize green energy, and condemn the Saudis and Nord Stream pipeline harder? After all, people recover from COVID, get a job rebuilding their burned down businesses, and fight proxy wars with 2L of blood all the time, right?
You need to lay off the Reason koolaid.
I am not okay with any of that. But all that being banned doesn't make a 25 day supply any better or worse than what it is. I will ask you again, what should the reserve supply be? I have no idea. And no one seems to be able to explain what it should be or why 25 days is so bad.
I'm with you BC. A number like that without context is meaningless.
I’m with you BC. A number like that without context is meaningless.
1, 6mm projectile at 400 fps: 19+1, 9mm projectiles at 1,100 fps... it's just numbers.
Without knowing what a "normal" supply is, 25 days means nothing.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Without knowing what a “normal” supply is, 25 days means nothing.
Were you guys not around for 'New Normal'?
JFC, "Really, I'd have to read 1985 to know exactly how bad 1984 was. Without that, I've got no frame of reference."
Without knowing what a “normal” supply is, 25 days means nothing.
There may be some reason why only 25 days is a bad thing. If I knew anything about how diesel supplies worked, I could answer that question. I don't, so I can't. Moreover, this story has been around for four or five days. If the reserve is going down, the story should be 20 days or 22 days or something like that. Yet, it is still 25 days. So, I have a hard time believing it is headed for zero.
Again, you have to do more than point at a number without any context.
Again, you have to do more than point at a number without any context.
Tree Hugger: I can't understand the significance of this random tree without a forest for context.
Me: You're standing in the middle of a 6-lane highway that's had logging trucks rolling up and down it for the last several years.
Tree Hugger: I'm gonna need more trees for context.
Hey, we only have half a gallon of milk left.
So what? I need more context before I start worrying about milk inventories. I’m not buying more milk without more information. We aren’t out of milk yet.
“Without knowing what a “normal” supply is, 25 days means nothing.”
sarc, look at the article I linked to below. It has a chart that shows historical supply levels. It has been this low before, in 2008.
We aren’t out of milk yet.
*Gestures at dead cows, explicit policies of reducing the number of cows, decades-longstanding opposition to rBGH, promises to end the udder-to-table pipelines, alienation of milk producing people and nations, global speculation of dairy shortages, open competitive debates about ending factory farming betterer, slanted and one-sided academic debates of the future ecological impact of dairy farming, RICO investigations into dairy corruption, selective reinterpretation of rights and subsidies slanted against dairy farmers, subsidized replacement of “milk” with modern “eco-friendly” alternatives, dairy-focused proxy wars…*
Don’t look at me!: I’m going to need more context. ?
I don’t think you know what the word ‘context’ means.
Yeah, I have no idea. Gasoline does spoil as well, which a lot of people forget. Diesel is a longer shelf-life (about a year I think someone who knows more correct me). So, there might be a reason why there is a narrow window of stored diesel that accounts for ultimate time for transportation and consumption.
I don't know. I understand your point Briggs.
sarc, look at the article I linked to below. It has a chart that shows historical supply levels. It has been this low before, in 2008.
And the next thing it says is that prices are rising.
So it looks like the law of supply and demand is causing the price to go up, which will make some people think twice about buying the stuff while encouraging production, economics 101, blah blah blah.
Unless the government steps in and does something stupid like set prices, this should take care of itself.
Hey, we only have half a gallon of milk left.
So what? I need more context before I start worrying about milk inventories. I’m not buying more milk without more information. We aren’t out of milk yet.
Wow. That was exceptionally stupid. Even for you.
“Hey I’ve got a half a tank of diesel. Maybe I should get more. Do I need to know about inventories and such? Nope. That is communicated to me via the price system. Oh look, prices are going up. Guess I’ll fill up my tank before they go up more. Or maybe I'll put it off because I don't need it that badly.”
25 day supply w/ no means or plan to replenish. The lack of plan is par for the course, but the lack of means will factor in soon enough I suspect. The fact that biden keeps authorizing releases from the SPR says much more than merely trying to control the recession to buy votes. To give you some more information: The regional (fuel) reserve has 700,000 barrels of gasoline located in the New York Harbor area, 200,000 barrels positioned in the Boston area, and 100,000 in South Portland, Maine. Unless something has changed, only a million barrels are diesel, and I will admit that doesn't seem correct.
Stop trying to learn the facts and embrace the hate you assfuck.
If war breaks out or other emergency 25 day supply would be gone in far less than 25 days.
OT: Districts cancels girls volleyball games against school with trans player, cites safety concerns
Briggs: I'm going to need more context about the average number of concussions a HS volleyball player suffers before I can form an opinion or come to a conclusion on this.
You think you are being clever here but you just keep repeating the same stupid point. It is embarassing. Numbers without context are meaningless. Take you milk example. "We only have a half gallon of milk left". If I am a restaurant using 10 gallons a day and it is only noon, that is a problem. If it is my house where I use a gallon every two weeks, then not so much. The number alone means nothing.
In this case, why is it important that we only have 25 days of diesel? The only way that is important is if it is a sign that we are running out. If that is true, then say so. Say "we are going to be out of diesel in a month" or whatever. That means something. "We only have 25 days left" means nothing. I haven't seen anyone explain when or how we are going to run out of diesel. The best I have seen is "our reserves are unacceptably low" and various other vagaries like that.
I don't know how to put that any more clearly. None of these reports have given any concrete facts to show why we are going to run out of diesel or when that is going to happen or explain why no one is doing anything about it. If such an article exists, link to it. Otherwise, stop wasting my time with meaningless bullshit.
Dude, you're smarter than this.
25 day supply. Ok. That doesn't mean anything by itself.
What is the average supply?
What is the average production?
How is replenished? Domestic production, tankers, pipelines...?
How much will raising prices effect demand?
If refining and production are offline, why? Can they come back online? Why and why not?
A little more information would help.
You will see how important it is when there isn’t enough fuel or it’s too expensive to bother making deliveries to the liquor stores in the middle of nowhere in Maine.
Adults in charge.
The problem I've read (and even the NYT has published this) is that in 2008 we had more than double the refining capacity so we could build inventory a lot quicker. With current refining capacity we can't rebuild inventory, so we have to restrict exports to meet domestic needs. UE exports, however, are the major source of refined diesel for Latin America and western Europe, which means a decrease in US diesel exports are likely to cause major damage to Mexico and western Europe, both of which have major implications for the US economy and the world economy. It's also likely to drive up domestic diesel prices nationwide, as inventory is projected to remain tight through winter, especially in the Northeast, we're diesel is a major heating source, in addition to transportation, even if we restrict exports. This is likely to lead to more inflation and probably a worsening recession. I read several sources, both right and left who all said basically the same thing. Also, the new EPA regulations pushed by Biden, on refiners has accelerated refinery closings, we have about 50% of the refining capacity that we did in 2008.
So, it isn't the US that will run out of diesel, but the steps we will take to offset tight inventories to meet domestic needs that will lead to major pain with our trading partners that is the real worry.
That makes perfect sense. It would be nice if the media outlets reporting this would make that point rather than just putting the number out there implying that the economy is going to shut down for lack of diesel.
It's out there, but you've really got to go to the economic reporting to get the information. I did a deep dive on it yesterday (as a rancher it's pretty important even though I don't use diesel myself, almost everyone I buy from or contract for does).
Another story you won't see is how what really destroyed Truss was that her plan was so bad it lead to a crash in government bond sales, and that we're seeing similar warning signs in the US T bonds sales. And we're worse off than the UK, which has a debt to GDP ratio of 98% while ours is 138%.
It wasn't her tax cuts that were unpopular it was her refusal to cut spending (and even expand it) that led to the bond sales issue. But you'll only get that by reading the financial sections.
It wasn’t her tax cuts that were unpopular it was her refusal to cut spending (and even expand it) that led to the bond sales issue. But you’ll only get that by reading the financial sections.
Again, IDK. It's the sort of thing where there is no one cause for everybody to point to definitively, but if you survey 20 mainstream articles and manage to collect 60 reasons (or 40, or 30...), you get "Tax cuts too deep", "Not enough spending cuts", and "Economic plan to cost billions overall" as the top 1, 2, and 3, reasons. Virtually nobody is ever going to (be able to) lay out dollar-for-dollar where she went wrong.
If you cut taxes and increase spending, the loss in revenue can only be made up by selling bonds. If you can't sell the bonds you can't fund the budget. Yeah there's multiple factors but all relate to her budget and the fact it couldn't be met because they couldn't sell bonds. So the lack of selling bonds is what destroyed her budget which is what led her party to request her to resign and that is why she resigned.
I would note that her refusal to cut the budget and to cut spending was because it didn't poll very well. So the case can also be made that it was the voters demanding their cake and wanted to eat it too. Gee that doesn't happen anywhere else.
Merry Old California raising her hand
The problem I’ve read (and even the NYT has published this) is that in 2008 we had more than double the refining capacity so we could build inventory a lot quicker.
It would be nice if the media outlets reporting this would make that point rather than just putting the number out there
Seriously. Get yourself to a hospital or someone who can test your cognition. I think you may’ve had a stroke. In the first sentence he says, “The media has covered this.” and the second sentence in your reply is “It would be nice if the media outlets reporting this would make that point”.
My ‘Wait, really?” point above was in regard to the fact that, I agree, the actual number is immaterial. 25 days, 26 days, even 30. The point is that in an unstable and increasingly hostile (to the US) global energy economy, our energy reserves are not getting more stable. You don’t have to know exactly from where and to where for the phrase “The market is down.” to be meaningful to you, especially if the government locked the country down two weeks ago. The reason you didn’t hear “OMG 25 days!” in 2008 is because we weren’t talking about the Nord Stream pipeline getting blown up and half of Europe rationing energy as a result (of that and everything else specific to the context that you asked for and were given).
Seriously, take a cognitive test, maybe lay off the volleyball games against HS trannies or something.
Seriously, go fuck yourself. I could lose half my IQ points and still be smarter than you. And all Medic did here is give the context and explanation I asked you for, but you couldn't give. It is not my job to do your fucking research or inform your opinions. You didn't know any of this stuff or you would have mentioned it when I asked for an explanation. And now you are going to act like you knew it all along when someone else bothers to answer the question.
You need to take a cognition test if you think I or anyone for that matter is so fucking stupid they would let you get away with that. Just thank Soldier Medic for informing your dumb ass and move on.
It’s out there, but you’ve really got to go to the economic reporting to get the information. I did a deep dive on it yesterday (as a rancher it’s pretty important even though I don’t use diesel myself, almost everyone I buy from or contract for does).
The media outlets reporting this are not talking about this. Only the economic trade publications are. Now go away before I step on your face more.
To be fair, it didn't take me long to find those stories, but there were also many stories that didn't get into the details.
It is not my job to do your fucking research or inform your opinions.
You asked for more context, dumbass. Figure out how to inform yourself.
You didn’t know any of this stuff or you would have mentioned it when I asked for an explanation.
You seriously don’t know the administration’s policy on petroleum production? You do know he begged the Saudi’s for oil, right? Do you think he did that because he really likes them and, even though we have a enough oil he’d just throw them some business? You know he tapped into the strategic reserve repeatedly since March, right? You think he’s doing that because he’s got too much inventory and just likes to save people money by keeping prices low, low, low? You were around for the "gas prices are now under $2.99 in 41 states", lie, right?
You asked for context, I gave you context and because you didn’t like or understand the context, I shouldn’t have been asking you to do my research for me? You’re really beginning to seem like Brandon himself.
The media outlets reporting this are not talking about this.
and even the NYT has published this
Now go away before I step on your face more.
The ‘Size 4’ on your shoe may not tell you anything without your mom to give you more context, but it tells me all I need to know.
Like that.
I disagree. He says "about 50%" but, without context, the number is meaningless.
Do you guys seriously not know that US production is down (which is why we're begging the Saudis for oil) and there's a worldwide energy crunch going on?
Do you really read OBL's satire of SPBP2 "Rig count is up!" comments and think "Well, our energy future is secure!"?
Do you guys seriously not know that US production is down (which is why we’re begging the Saudis for oil) and there’s a worldwide energy crunch going on?
yeah production is down. No shit, that is why prices are up. Just shut the fuck up. You had no idea what was going on. You just read a hack article and thought you did. You got called on it. And you still have no idea what is going on. Soldier medic does but you don't.
Actually if you read the whole sentence it says about 50% less than 2008 that would be context.
Additionally I also stated that to address our little inventory we will have to we will have to reduce exports to maintain inventory because we do not have to refining capacity we did in 2008. In 2008 we had the refining capacity to both export refined Diesel and rebuild our own inventory. I'm pretty sure that is also context.
Actually if you read the whole sentence it says about 50% less than 2008 that would be context.
That comment was sarcasm. If you don't want my opinion, read the whole tread. Otherwise, as near as I can tell Briggs needed his context delivered to him in a waffle cone by someone who isn't a dog-faced pony soldier.
I don't know. By his reaction I really think he was looking for more context. I don't think he was pulling a Mikey.
I don't think he was being disingenuous like Mikey, I just think he was looking for someone to tell him what to think the right way.
How "about 50% less than 2008" is relevant context but Biden (who almost certainly won't do what Bush did in 2008) isn't is beyond me.
Maybe, but I've also asked for more information before rather than look it up. I'm happy to provide it if it's really an honest question. Even when Mikey asks honestly, based on his history, I conclude it's out of dishonesty. Sometimes I will give it just to show others his false narrative, full well knowing his usual tactics. Briggs seemed curious, and because it impacts me, I did a lot of research yesterday, so I had the information fresh.
Still don't have edit privileges. Should read US exports not UE.
Surely you don't expect "journalists" to ask followup and probing questions, do you?
That’s not good.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-19/a-25-day-diesel-supply-and-surging-demand-are-a-worry-for-biden
Hope these two ships have a protective naval escort:
“Some relief is on the way. At least two vessels carrying around 1 million barrels of diesel are due to arrive in New York after being diverted from their original destinations in Europe.”
Quick! Somebody divert those ships again, and protect the people in NY from evil fossil fuels!
^. Quick! Somebody vandalize a painting!
And a wax statue and cause a major traffic jam that prevents timely EMS responses to a crash caused by your traffic jam that results in the death of a young mother.
See above. This is why the diminished inventory is so dangerous. Much of our trading partners rely on US diesel exports, and the world economy runs on diesel (more so than gas). So restricting diesel exports is going to have serious ramifications for the entire globe, but especially Europe and Latin America (Mexico especially, one of our largest trading partners). This is also a reason that inflation is high in Europe, cutting off Russia, and the decreased refined oil products from the US. So, in fact, even the European inflation is partly Biden's fault. His policies have caused a dramatic decrease in refining capacity for the US which has hurt our trading partners that have come to rely on US refined petroleum exports.
So the next time some idiot like SPB spouts off about European inflation (and Central American) point out how much they rely on us refined petroleum products and how Biden has decreased the amount of refining capacity the US has.
People in Europe will freeze to death so Joe Sixpack can save 5¢ on his next fill up.
People in Europe will freeze to death because their governments adopted suicidal green energy policies.
I notice little mention, so far, in the mainstream news about the US having 25 days of diesel supply left. Maybe 24, 23 now. Or maybe that’s the amount in reserve after the current production/use is determined
Biden administration/shitlib WEF thrall response: "This shortage means it's more critical than ever to accelerate our incredible transition to EV semitrucks!"
Incidentally, it may be a generational thing, but I've never understood the hype about Brando's acting ability. He was great in the Godfather, sure, but everything else I've seen him in has mostly been bog-standard acting that anyone with normal skill could pull off. Same with Richard Burton--maybe he was just simply an incredible stage actor, and managed to a have a movie career because he had such a distinctive voice. Personally, I think Richard Harris was better than either of them, even if he was a drunken louse.
Crap, this was supposed to go under the Sacheen Littlefeather post below.
Oh sure we got an edit button , now you want relocating abilities? C’mon man!
I never got the love for Brando either. That said, a lot of people who know a lot more about the craft of acting than I ever will, think he is the greatest thing ever. So, I have hard time saying he was a bad actor, despite my not thinking much of most of his movies.
As far as Burton goes, he was fantastic. Come on watch Where Eagles Dare, Becket, and Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe and tell me Burton is overrated or not great. Sorry but I can't go with your opinion there.
I’m going to need more context before I can agree with your assessment.
Damn.
I’ll try and check those out. I’ve seen him in The Robe (a performance that he clearly sandbagged because he was an atheist, thank goodness Jean Simmons was there to lift him up), The Longest Day, Cleopatra, and The Wild Geese, and wasn’t particularly impressed with those. He was also a fucking commie sympathizer, so he had that going against him, too.
Where Eagles Dare is Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton conducting the most awesome commando raid in the history of cinema. It is great.
He's excellent in "The Taming of the Shrew".
That doesn't surprise me. You can clearly see his Shakesperean theater training in his performances. Same thing with guys like Derek Jacobi, even in popcorn movies like "Gladiator." That stuff gets ingrained and just becomes a natural part of their acting method.
Reason Rundown
“Two-spirit” celebration replaces Columbus Day at UVA
More and more, we see social, legal, and political pressure being applied to internet infrastructure companies, urging them to stop providing services for social media applications or websites because of content they publish, communication they permit, or users they allow.
Pressure applied by whom, I wonder?
Likely by those who continually misspell "protest" as "insurrection"
Wut wut wut?
Whatever happened to "Muh Free Market" ENB, who used to cheer corporate carveouts to liability law for internet social media to ban the WrongThinkers?
Twitter can do it, but internet backbone companies can't?
Now it's just naked picking of winners and losers. Apparently, some corporate censorship is more equal than others.
It's so jarring to come back to the cesspool of Reason for a visit and see just who Reason has always been at war with today.
Berenson’s legal discovery unearthed internal Twitter documents and Slack conversations showing Biden administration officials instructed the social media company to de-platform him because he was dissenting from the official line on school lockdowns and the efficacy of vaccines.
He was viciously attacked for tweeting that schools should be opened: “people called me a ghoul a lot. [But] Twitter and Facebook prevented a real debate and discussion about the value of school closures … Is there anyone who thought we did the right thing in fall of 2020 and 2021 by allowing teacher unions and Democrats to keep schools closed?”
His evidence-backed view that school lockdowns were being driven by teacher unions, not data, and would do long-term harm to children, has been proven correct. Similarly, his view was correct that vaccines were not stopping the transmission of COVID and thus mandates were pointless. Yet he was silenced, and no debate was allowed.
Berenson identifies as the final blow a public statement by Biden on July 16, 2021, that social media companies were “killing people” by encouraging vaccine hesitancy.
“A few hours after Biden’s comment, Twitter suspended my account for the first time. On August 28, 2021 … Twitter banned me — for a tweet that it has now acknowledged should not have led to my suspension,” he said. “My argument is that the White House turned these companies into extensions of the state. By putting explicit pressure on Twitter, they made it an extension of the state, whether willingly or not.
“The Biden administration … violated my First Amendment rights.”
https://nypost.com/2022/10/23/lawsuit-reveals-vast-censorship-scheme-by-big-tech-and-the-federal-government/
Seems like this should be a big deal to a "libertarian" magazine like reason. Oddly, they don't seem interested in this at all.
Reason supported it at the time. Hard to cover it now.
And acted like it was just impossible that the government could have had anything to do with it. Nope. It was just Twitter exercising their property rights. If you don't like it, "build your own Twitter" as they say.
Fascism is great just so long as it comes wrapped in the veneer of it being the private sector.
Which is literally fascism. Goverment control of corporate power
Bingo!
NO MEAN TWEETS!!!
WrongThinker!
Reason has always been at war with Eastasia!
Well, this point is moot because the newest talking point is that lockdowns didn't even happen. We will probably be seeing full on articles in the next few weeks correcting our misconceptions of what lockdowns are and why we didn't *really* have them in the US.
This has already started. No surprise, Birx, fauci , team blue governors did not push, create, or enforce lockdowns.
Totalitarianism is never having to say you were wrong.
That's how totalitarians roll. They lie lies that everyone knows are lies, and everyone knows everyone knows are lies, then make you swallow them and regurgitate them.
The lies aren't meant to be believed. They're meant to demoralize you and humiliate you.
'Too local'/'private company.' Private company working at the behest of big pharma, elements of the last admin whom reason staffers hate, and this admin, whom reason staffers verbally fellate. For a libertarian site, they miss the mark pretty damned often.
Reason has become a hollowed out skinsuit of libertarian thinking for statists pushing the regime on us. It's Conquests third law in action.
You're being too kind.
You know the Long March Through the Institutions is complete when they bother to take over a nothing like Reason.
You gotta be pretty low on the Wokem Pole to get stationed here.
I'm reading the rise and fall of the third Reich right now and it's extremely disconcerting how much it seems to apply to certain individuals in this country who shall remain nameless. here's a hint they're the ones calling everybody else fascist.
I really hope there end up being hearings on this. Mind you, in my Libertopia such hearings would focus on uncovering all the facts, with political grandstanding kept to a minimum. Topia, to be sure.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/ryanledendecker/2022/10/23/bidens-next-crisis-home-heating-oil-rationing-begins-in-northeast-and-its-not-even-winter-yet-n1639328
Heating oil is being rationed in the Northeast and it is not even winter. Remember, never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up.
The implementation of the democrat party platform is not "fucking up".
It is the expected result of the democrats taking control of the legislature and the executive branch.
It is the result of them taking control. No question about that. They are, however, fucking up. You give them too much credit if you think this is some grand plan to destroy the country. No, they are just that stupid.
Why not both? Anyone besides a partisan moron can see how stated Democrat policy goals will make life worse for many people. I say give them credit for fucking over and fucking up.
It is mass psychosis. These people were taught in school that there isn't anything as objective truth and actually believed it.
A few years ago, I remember Hugo Chavez doing a publicity stunt of dropping off a shipment of Venezuelan heating oil in the northeast. Too bat the commie vermin nationalized the country's oil industry, or Biden might have been able to beg for some more juice, the way he begged the Saudis to cut oil prices before they teabagged him.
" Too bat the commie vermin nationalized the country’s oil industry,"
Venezuela's oil industry was nationalized in the 1970s long before Chavez appeared on the scene.
Venezuela nationalize the oil in this tree in a 1970s. Yes it did, however, they still sold the drilling right to private companies. What Hugo Chavez did was to confiscate the drilling rigs of those private companies and nationalize them. Tell the whole story.
He also nationalized the refiners, which were privately ran on contract. Gee, why do your narratives always backfire when the whole story is told?
You think that's the whole story? What about the part where Americans are preparing to buy this nationalized Venezuelan oil once again after Trump and Biden sanctions? Seems that it's not quite the evil it's made out to be.
We're buying the oil because Biden has restricted US production and refining to the point we have to find alternatives and OPEC+ just dickslapped Biden. So, again, you're talking points are destroyed by telling the whole story.
Which means even this plan of his is likely doomed since Venezuela is a member of OPEC+ and also a major ally of Putin. So, they're even less likely to play nice than the Saudis were. Fuck, educate yourself. Also, I'm pretty sure those sanctions started under Obama because of Human Rights Abuses conducted by the Venezuelan government.
Oil is a dirty business and whether Venezuelan oil is nationalized or not matters little. Look at the Canadian tar sands, and the price paid by those lives are affected by its exploitation. Or Saudi Arabia, now apparently preparing to give up on our 'strategic partnership' and destined to be another country on the growing list of enemies.
" and also a major ally of Putin."
More like China. Putin has no use for Venezuelan oil. China buys it though, even though the US has tried to stop this trade due to the evilness of Venezuela's nationalized oil. Iran is apparently shipping oil to Venezuela for refining, a surprising distance in my opinion.
Russia is the largest arms dealer to Venezuela. Their military is Russian trained. The Russian navy had ports in Venezuela. I said Venezuela and Russia are allies not that Russia buys Venezuelan oil, your entire post is completely stupid because it doesn't address a single thing I stated. Yes, oil is a dirty business, my point is Venezuela is not going to sell us oil even if we ask for it because of their own strategic needs (i.e. allied to Russia and China like you mentioned, and membership in OPEC+ which just cut production over Biden's objections). Really are you to fucking dumb to read what I actually wrote?
"Venezuela is not going to sell us oil even if we ask for it because of their own strategic needs"
I'm not sure what will happen. I'm pretty sure that China's buying oil will bring them money even if it's spent on evil Russian weapons instead of gods guns of the USA..
Allies btw doesn't mean Russia buys or needs their oil, it means they are allies. Oil prices are hurting us more than Putin, he's made up the lost trade in the west by selling to China and India, so why would his allies help us by selling their oil (most of which they can still sell to China without hurting their allies Russia)? Fuck, are you even capable of tying your own shoes, or does someone have to explain that to you too?
Is there an alliance? NATO is an alliance, where members promise to help each other out in case one is attacked. I don't think any such formal arrangement exists between Venezuela and Russia or any other country.
"are you even capable of tying your own shoes,"
Yes, though I have long become a slip on kind of guy after many years in the East where one is expected to remove shoes on entering the home.
Yes, they actually have a alliance treaty. And you know what's better than China buying the oil or us buying the oil? We produce our own and increase refining capacity (reopen the refineries that Biden has forced to close) so we don't have to buy Venezuelan or Russian oil. And I'd rather buy Canadian tar sand than either Venezuelan or Russian, too.
"And I’d rather buy Canadian tar sand than either Venezuelan or Russian, too."
I believe there is at least some measure of nationalization, or provincialization in tar sands exploitation. And the treatment of the Indians there and their sacred hunting grounds has been execrable. Oil is a dirty business no matter how you cut it. Don't let those nice maple leaves fool you. That goes for the maple leafs, too.
My favorite nationalized oil industry story has to be the Anglo-Persian oil company. (now BP) British PM Atlee managed to persuade Americans to remove the Iranian government via coup d'etat by exploiting perennial fears of communism and evil. Atlee, though, had nationalized his own mining, transportation, communication, gas and steel industries in an orgy of communistic government acquisitions and expansion Britain had never seen before or since.
Canada is still a fuck ton better than Venezuela or Russia, and additionally pumping oil from Canada uses far less energy than shipping it from either of those countries, which makes it better for the environment and cheaper. Canada also has far stricter environmental standards than either of those countries and we have a trade agreement and an alliance with them to boot. So, in every sense it's far better for us and the environment to buy from Canada rather than overseas.
"Canada is still a fuck ton better than Venezuela or Russia"
I'm not sure if that's true. I thought that Athabasca tar sands and Venezuelan were very similar. Isn't the Canadian product to be piped down to Houston to be refined at facilities built to handle Venezuelan crude? Piped over yet to be built pipelines. Wouldn't there be less of an environmental impact if we stopped this hand wringing over Venezuela's evil nationalized oil and used the already existing infrastructure as it was intended to be used, refining Venezuela's oil in Houston, rather than building entirely new infrastructure to get the oil down there from Canada's sub arctic?
And even if you had a point with your incomplete story, the fact still remains that Biden has restricted drilling, punished refineries to the point many have closed, and is now threatening tighter emissions on private property wells that will force many to close, and that is why he is asking Venezuela for oil. No matter how you cut it, his policies have hurt US energy consumers and rather than shifting gears, he's doubling down while asking for more foreign oil (which has a much higher carbon footprint than domestic production and refining).
"And even if you had a point with your incomplete story"
I should have thought it was clear. Chavez didn't nationalize Venezuela's oil industry, as what's his name mistakenly claimed.
" and is now threatening tighter emissions "
A cleaner oil industry? The horror! I've written many times in these pages of the perils of relying on oil and now the chickens are coming home to roost. And whinging of domestic consumers is far from the worst of it, I predict.
Fuck, that's the stupidest thing you've said yet. First, the new regulations really don't result in it being any greener by most independent studies but does make it a fuck ton more expensive. Second how are you going to run industry without petroleum? Electric batteries don't scale well enough to run heavy equipment, long haul rigs, trains, agricultural equipment, maritime shipping, transportation aircraft etc. They also don't have nearly enough battery life to meet the needs of any of those industries. Finally, how are you going to make enough electricity for all that new demand? If I remember right,you also oppose nuclear. So, I guess we shut down all interstate and international trade, well if you live on the east coast sucks to be you, because almost none of your food, clothing, etc is produced locally. We'll do pretty good here in the west and Midwest, since we grow almost all the food (and we can grow flax for linen for clothing, which we already do) may have to give up cotton, but we'll have food, linen and leather clothing, lumber for building, Warming our houses might be a problem, but the Amerindians managed to survive as did the settlers, so I'm sure it'll work out. Have fun trying to plow central park with an electric tractor.
"First, the new regulations really don’t result in it being any greener "
I'm not surprised. Being greener would be costly and call for a reordering of priorities, sacrifice and change of habits. A big no no. A capitalist system doesn't have the wherewithal to make it happen. Socialism worldwide might - shared resources, shared agenda, shared sacrifices.
"Second how are you going to run industry without petroleum?"
Americans simply aren't ready to answer this question. Perhaps they never will, such is the depth of attachment to burning fossil fuels. I've written before, look to places like China and India for leadership on the issue. They've got a proven track record of civilizational survival going back 5000 years, are both forward looking with research into a technological solution to your question, and have a cultural affinity to social solutions like veganism as part of their cultural heritage.
"If I remember right,you also oppose nuclear. "
Personally, yes, but it won't be my decision. Both China and India have active nuclear programs. As for concerns over international trade breaking down and home heating, it's already happening, when we rely almost entirely on burning fossil fuels. Your notion that these problems lie far off in a future where we've foolishly abandoned oil and gas is clearly wrong. Today, fossil fuels reign supreme, yet industry stagnates, supply chains break down and a cold winter looms over the horizon.
Digital currencies continue to be the poisoned chalice anyone who had any sense said they would be.
The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has said that central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) could potentially allow a government to control what people spend their hard-earned cash on.
Speaking at the IMF-World Bank annual meeting on Oct. 15, Deputy Managing Director Bo Li said that a CBDC could improve “financial inclusion” through programmability.
“A CBDC can allow government agencies and private sector players to program, to create smart contracts, to allow targeted policy functions,” Li explained. “For example, welfare payments, for example, consumption coupons, for example, food stamps.”
“By programming CBDC, that money can be precisely targeted for what kind of people can own [CBDC] and for what kind of use this money can be utilized, for example for food.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/central-bank-digital-currencies-would-let-governments-control-what-people-spend-money-on-imf-official_4800749.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport
Christ what a cunt. Doesn't she know only Senators can do this?
In an explosive new interview, the sisters of Sacheen Littlefeather have claimed the late activist was a liar and a fraud — and not Native at all.
Speaking separately to the San Francisco Chronicle, Trudy Orlandi and Rosalind Cruz shared that they are not ethnically Native American and that they identify as "Spanish." Littlefeather, the sisters said, was born Marie Louise Cruz but changed her name after rediscovering what she purportedly believed was her Native American heritage and becoming active in protests as a young woman.
Orlandi said, "It's a lie. … My father was who he was. His family came from Mexico, and my dad was born in Oxnard."
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/activist-sacheen-littlefeather-exposed-sisters-reported-fraudulent-native-american-identity-lie?dicbo=v2-a22d1ac73d8ebfc4f3d27be4414b19a2
That's fine and all, but why didn't these bitches say anything before she kicked the bucket? Even Rachel Dolezal's parents had the decency to narc that cunt out before she made a career out of pretending to be a black woman.
Good question. Worse than this is that they say that she slandered their deaf, hardworking father as a drunk and abuser. You would have thought they would have stood up for their father if nothing else.
Exactly. They could have tagged her 50 years ago after she ended up on the Academy Awards, or any time since then.
Part of me suspects that once her 15 minutes was up, they didn't see the need to say anything at that point because she wasn't getting any attention. When she passed, they decided to Correct The Record after the dumb obituaries about how Stunning and Brave she was.
It's also elegant proof that she was just one of Brando's concubines, and they did the whole thing as a lark because Brando was a fucking psychotic.
He really was psychotic. It would have been one thing if Brando was getting an Oscer for a movie that had anything to do with American Indians and their cause. Then, it would have sort of made sense. He was winning for a gangster movie. It made no sense at all. He was really fucking nuts.
I’m going to need more information and context before I can agree with your assessment.
You think you are being clever here, but you just keep repeating the same stupid point. It is embarrassing. Numbers without context are meaningless. Take you milk example. “We only have a half gallon of milk left”. If I am a restaurant using 10 gallons a day and it is only noon, that is a problem. If it is my house where I use a gallon every two weeks, then not so much. The number alone means nothing.
If we are going to run out diesel, say so and say why and when it is going to happen. Otherwise, stop wasting everyone's time.
Sarcasmic's girls have got a wide on for you now. Prepare to be harangued daily.
Oh well. I don't buy bullshit; I don't care which side it is coming from. Maybe we are running out of diesel and the who economy is going to come to a standstill. If we are, I would think there would be a lot more evidence of that then just "our reserves are low".
It’s always a good idea to ignore the warning signs.
No one is ignoring anything. Saying "what is going on?" is not ignoring it. It is exactly the opposite.
Briggs seems to be reasonable when more context was given. We're not really in danger currently to run out, but our low inventory is likely further stress on global supplies right when they're needed (we're going to have to curtail exports to meet domestic needs), and could become more problematic if we have some sort of major disruption. The big problem is the decrease in refining capacity as a result of EPA rulings under Biden, makes it nearly impossible to build up inventory like we did in 2008. I wonder if Biden will reverse those rules to reopen refineries that he forced to close as a result of his policies if we do go to war, or if he'll just implement rationing? Why do I need to wonder, of course it'll be the latter.
I should say more rationing because rationing already started in the Northeast.
It's quite possible they tried to speak out on the subject but no one in the media was interested in what they had to say until well after the fact. If no one will publish what they had to say, why would they interrupt their own lives and invite public criticism by sticking their necks out?
That's entirely possible as well, although I'm skeptical about that considering the time period. Brando's stunt pissed off a lot of people in the industry, and the newsrooms hadn't entirely been taken over by New Left J-school graduates yet. Most journalists are really nothing more than glorified gossip queens, and a lot of them at the time would have LOVED that kind of juicy information.
Cool. I thought only deranged white upper-middle class women did this.
"His family came from Mexico"
You can't be all Mexican. It's like being all mongrel.
No, that's not even close to being true. Not all Mexicans are interracial, a sizable number are exclusively of Spanish descent. The majority are interracial, but not 100%. Generalize much.
It's fiction. A quote from Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian.
http://library.lol/fiction/111DD8CF80E99366DF58B293C36CCFF6
"a sizable number are exclusively of Spanish descent."
Exclusively? Many of those coming from Spain were Jewish or Muslim 'conversos' escaping the inquisition.
Which still isn't Indian.
You're forgiven. I've given the link and the title of the book. Read it if you're up for a good laugh, though that seems a bit much to expect of you. You are a clearly a smart and knowledgeable person but a little too literal minded and slavishly conventional for my refined tastes.
"Which still isn’t Indian."
Not sure what you mean, but a word to the wise: All those 'Indians' in Hollywood westerns? Jews.
And based on the history of what you called fact, forgive me if I didn't recognize when you're quoting fiction. It's kinda hard in your case to distinguish between the two.
The internet's ultimate censors. Internet infrastructure companies—the backend services that keep websites humming—may be the next front in online culture/censorship wars, I suggest at Persuasion:
Oh Reason, have you been reading my comments?
*blushes*
Unfortunately, the public—or at least the extremely online or political portions of it—seems to be moving away from this understanding. More and more, we see social, legal, and political pressure being applied to internet infrastructure companies, urging them to stop providing services for social media applications or websites because of content they publish, communication they permit, or users they allow. Sometimes, as with Kiwi Farms, 8chan, and Parler, these pressure campaigns are successful.
Welcome to 2017-2017! You're finally catching up, Reason.
It was warned a jillion times in the comments that it's not so easy to just go "build your own ___________" when the backbone provider can be squeezed.
As I said so many times, no matter what business you try to get into-- especially when that business is information, there are people burning the midnight oil identifying the single-points-of-failure where pressure can be applied.
And every couple of years we hear about some beponytailed group of coders trying to re-federate internet services. And while I'm 100% morally on their side, I'm skeptical if they'll ever have any real success. All of these projects seem to fade into the background like so much $100 hand-crank laptop.
I've said this before, although I'm sure there are many commenters here who won't acknowledge it:
I am one of the foremost critics here of the idea of the government compelling social media companies to publish speech they don't want to publish. (See my stance on cakes and bakeries above, by the way. Gosh, I'm consistent.)
However, the further you get down the stack, the more open I am to the need to treat Internet-related companies as common carriers. The ISP layer is probably the appropriate layer where there should be a law guaranteeing equal access, free speech rights, and shielding of ISPs from liability.
Don’t break your back sucking on your own dick.
Mike doesn't actually have a backbone, so no worries.
Jokes on you, my back only gets more limber with age and effort.
Consistency is only a virtue if you not a sealioning fuck up retard.
Common carrier, or publisher, take your pick.
No government agent should be able to use anything but common carriers compliant with the 1st amendment for public forums.
That would be flattering for you, but the reality is that Reason staff rarely ever look at the comments.
I'm well aware that the Reason writers aren't reading my comments (although they used to, but that was the old.. old... old... old days of Reason and that's a different story). But that's actually what makes this funny.
We say it loudly in 2017, and the Reason kind of sort of comes around to acknowledging that, "Ok, maybe it is happening" in 2022. The wheels of justice turn slowly in the DC headquarters, but they do turn.
Hey, I read your comments. And I'm pretty sure I'm the former head of the libertarian party. I can't really remember where we went with that.
That's what's so desperate about Mike and Sarcs schtick. It's s that they think by pointing out the rare times Reason actually covers this or the times they address an issue months or years after we've been mentioning it, that that is somehow shows us up, rather than proves what we've actually been stating all along. The fact that it's such a rarity that they have to point it out is more than enough evidence of what we've been stating.
Actually, all I said is that Diane is kidding herself if she thinks Reason staff are reading her comments. All the rest was her and you assuming I meant more than that. I didn’t.
Gee, I thought he muted me again. Fucking disingenuous, persecution complex gray box anyhow.
I see once again he isn't being honest, since over an hour ago he stated he was muting me and wouldn't be replying to me again.
The Daily Fail reports on NEW YORK CITY hedonists suffering the consequences of their actions:
Three New York City professionals died on the same day in March 2021, after ordering cocaine from the same delivery service.
A report from the Wall Street Journal details how Ross Mtangi, 40, a trading executive at Credit Suisse Group AG; Julia Ghahramani, 26, a first-year lawyer; and Amanda Scher, 36, a social worker, all died on March 18, 2021 after getting cocaine laced with fentanyl delivered.
Prosecutors say the three professionals ordered the drugs from Billy Ortega, whom they accuse of arranging New York City drug deals from his home. His attorneys, though, have claimed he is just a stay-at-home father from New Jersey.
The drugs were then allegedly delivered to the victims by Kaylen Rainey, a courier for Ortega who lives in an apartment registered to Ortega's family.
But the victims apparently did not realize that the cocaine, which remains popular amongst New York City elites, was laced with fentanyl — a powerful opioid that dealers cut into cocaine to make it more potent and addictive.
Just a small amount of fentanyl could kill an inexperienced user.
You'd think these dealers would be smart enough not to kill their own client base, but I guess they figure there's no shortage of drug-addicted losers and neurotics to sell their wares. Regardless, this sounds like a self-correcting problem, and I highly encourage the dealers to increase the fentanyl ratio in both the marijuana and cocaine/heroin supply.
Now you see if the drug market were fully regulated and overseen by the FDA, then this wouldn't happen.
Yeah, because nothing says "competent" like the FDA. Moreover, even if the FDA did regulate the stuff, the addicts would still go to the black market to "get the good stuff".
There is a true story about Frank Lucas, the famous heroin dealer that Denzel Washington played in the movie American gangster. Whenever Lucas got a new batch of heroin in, he would sell it totally uncut to a few addicts knowing it would kill one or two of them. Once this happened and word got out, he would then cut the living hell out of the remaining heroin and sell it at a huge mark up over the going rate because once addicts heard that a batch was pure enough to kill people, they all wanted it and wanted it bad.
That is how fucked up addicts are. I don't have much use for the drug war but anyone who kids themselves into thinking addicts are anything but depraved and hard drugs benign is delusional.
I’m going to need more information and context before I can agree with your assessment.
"That is how fucked up addicts are."
No, it's the suppliers who adulterate the heroin. Addicts want pure heroin, as it's the impurities that kill due to liver damage over the long term, and overdoses occur when users have to resort to people like Frank Lucas for their supply.
"...Addicts want pure heroin, as it’s the impurities that kill due to liver damage over the long term..."
Yeah, addicts are really concerned regarding long term health effects, bozo.
Pure heroin will kill you pretty fucking quick too. It'll shutdown your respiratory system if it's not cut. Fuck, even prescription morphine is "cut" with inert ingredients because the pure shit is pretty guaranteed to fuck you up permanently. Fuck, another fact free comment.
Heroin addicts adjust their dosage accordingly. Addicts have lived for years with a steady supply of reliable gear. Relying on the likes of Lucas for their supply is something any user would want to avoid. Fluctuations in quality of black market adulterated heroin will get you if the adulterants don't get you first.
So why does the article say otherwise? People lost their lives.
What do you call 3 dead new Yorkers?
A good start.
Especially when one is a banker, one a lawyer and one a social worker.
They won’t be missed.
A banker, a lawyer and a social worker order fentanl laced cocaine...
There has to be a punchline in there
The only one I can think of is pure junk. If you heard it you’d wanna smack me.
You’d think these dealers would be smart enough not to kill their own client base, but I guess they figure there’s no shortage of drug-addicted losers and neurotics to sell their wares.
Depends on the dealer and their clientele and how many bodies drop. I've heard from H dealers that a death can lead to increased sales. Junkies who want the really good shit, will go to that dealer on the belief they are getting stronger/purer stuff.
The hilarious part is these urbanite assholes all look down on rural rednecks who are addicted to meth and painkillers. It's like, you bitches aren't actually any better, you just have a different stock of drugs to self-medicate your misery and free-floating anxiety away for a couple hours. You want a high that won't actually kill you, go to the gym or do yoga for an hour every day.
One of the dumbest myths the media pushes is that only poor people do drugs. The Mexican drug gangs aren't making hundreds of billions of dollars selling drugs to poor people in this country.
The cartels sell their product to drug dealers. Not poor people.
Who sell it to people with the money to buy. Ford doesn't sell cars directly. They sell them to dealers. So what? What a pointless and stupid statement.
"What a pointless and stupid statement."
The notion that the media pushes a myth that only poor people do drugs is absurd. It is rife with examples of rich, successful charismatic people doing all kinds of drugs all the time, and not necessarily suffering the consequences, either.
It is rife with examples of rich, successful charismatic people doing all kinds of drugs all the time, and not necessarily suffering the consequences, either.
Excepting Hunter Biden.
" It’s like, you bitches aren’t actually any better, you just have a different stock of drugs to self-medicate your misery and free-floating anxiety away for a couple hours."
The rural bitches are slightly better, or safer, in any case. Something like oxycontin is regulated by the FDA and much less likely to be adulterated than the 'heroin' the urban assholes are buying.
How many days of schooling are missed per year by teacher-organized student walkouts over *checks notes* the latest twitter hashtag that starts with #ImWith__________ or #JusticeFor__________
Oh, hey, speaking of members of institutions reading my comments, guess who just finally realized after... 30 years(?), plastic recycling is bullshit.
So much was just admitted in that first statement, I have to admit I'm almost shocked.
So... after years of me saying, "Just because that big diesel truck drives off with a bunch of stuff in that blue bin you pull out to the curb every Tuesday, doesn't mean it's being recycled, and even if it is, it's probably a net loss for the environment." Greenpeace has admitted that "Just because that big diesel truck drives off with a bunch of stuff in that blue bin you pull out to the curb every Tuesday, doesn't mean it's being recycled, and even if it is, it's probably a net loss for the environment."
" it’s probably a net loss for the environment.”
Unrecycled plastic is also a net loss for the environment, but an economic gain for soft drink makers who no longer have to bear the burden of dealing with reusable glass bottles.
Unrecycled plastic is also a net loss for the environment, but an economic gain for soft drink makers who no longer have to bear the burden of dealing with reusable glass bottles.
The reason the drink makers used to give you a deposit on the glass bottle (before governments of Oregon mandated it) was because there was value in reusing the glass bottle. I've said this 10,000 times and I will continue to say it: If the stuff in your bin was recyclable and it was a net positive for the environment, I would be paid for putting stuff in the blue bin, but instead I have to pay to have it taken. That is the price signal that proves that recycling is costing more in energy, waste, time and pollution than it's saving.
In addition, glass bottles have a high second-order effect on the environment. They weigh 10 times what the plastic bottle does-- which is why drink companies switched to plastic. (and yes, breakage was always a problem as well) It saved them billions in fuel and transportation costs which reduced CO2 emissions into the air. If you snapped your fingers tomorrow and made all plastic bottles into glass, your shipping costs and fuel usage would go through the stratosphere.
That's trueman:
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
" That is the price signal that proves that recycling is costing more in energy, waste, time and pollution than it’s saving."
Are you sure about that? Recycling aluminum is economically sound. I think paper too can be recycled economically. Same with glass bottles which can be reused up to 20 times. If plastic can't be recycled perhaps we should be considering other alternatives, especially if you consider yourself a conservative or if environmental impact is a concern to you.
Plastic is too cheap to bother recycling.
Unrecycled plastic is also a net loss for the environment. Reduce, reuse and recycle are the watchwords of the environmental movement. Diane Reynolds (Paul.) has abandoned his conservative principles here and is taking up with christers, corporate stooges, and who knows what other bad influences.
"...If plastic can’t be recycled perhaps we should be considering other alternatives, especially if you consider yourself a conservative or if environmental impact is a concern to you."
Perhaps you might consider dealing with reality, bozo.
Are you sure about that? Recycling aluminum is economically sound.
Yes, that’s why I’m paid for my aluminum. That’s why, when you go to the landfill, there’s a guy in a beat up Ford f150 with a sign scrawled in Sharpie “I’ll buy yer scrap metal”.
I think paper too can be recycled economically.
Depends on the paper, depends on its state. I’ve been trying to google that big story a few years ago where a recycling company made a request to the muni they were contracted with to throw away eleventy million tons of newspaper… because it couldn’t be recycled and China was no longer taking it.
Recycling has become a religion. That greenpeace has accidentally stumbled what apparently I and one plastics engineer have known for over a decade is somewhat comical.
"Yes, that’s why I’m paid for my aluminum."
That's what I meant by economically sound. Environmentally sound? That's another issue entirely. Processing aluminum is extremely energy intensive, which spells trouble for environmental friendliness.
"Depends on the paper, depends on its state"
Newsprint and cardboard seem most suited, though there are limits on the number of cycles before the process becomes unproductive, as I understand. Still, as long as it can be recycled, it should be recycled, if only for the sake of the trees that remain and the environment they are a part of, us too.
"Recycling has become a religion."
Not sure how you come to this conclusion. Religion is beliefs and practices relating to our interaction with the supernatural. Environmentalism has its feet planted in a concern for nature and the natural world. Your devotion to economics, its 'invisible hands' and other dogmas however...
That’s what I meant by economically sound. Environmentally sound? That’s another issue entirely. Processing aluminum is extremely energy intensive, which spells trouble for environmental friendliness.
But yet not so energy intensive that it's cheaper to dig it out of the ground from a mine vs paying you for scrap. Which makes it more environmentally sound.
Plastic recycling... paper recycling and glass recycling are a different animal altogether.
Not sure how you come to this conclusion. Religion is beliefs and practices relating to our interaction with the supernatural.
Recycling has been pressed on the psyche of people in America and the West in general as an unalloyed good, with no one questioning it... it's an orthodoxy.
"I threw stuff in my blue bin, and it went to a better place."
"Have you gone to see what happens to it when it goes to that better place?"
"No, but I'm told my spirit is saved with the more stuff I throw into the blue bin."
"paying you for scrap."
I'm not sure what you're driving at. If you're not being paid for your scrap aluminum, find yourself another dealer.
"Which makes it more environmentally sound."
Again, I'm not sure what you're driving at. In my travels I met a 'yachty,' someone who travels round the world in a yacht. They apparently have certain places where they go when funds get low. Gove, Australia, is one, one of the world's richest sources of bauxite, located on unceded Aboriginal land in the Northern Territories. The working conditions, mine and processing plant my acquaintance described were unforgettably hellish. My God, man, the heat!
"Recycling has been pressed on the psyche of people in America and the West in general as an unalloyed good, with no one questioning it…"
Probably goes back to the pioneering days when waste not want not were the watch words. Now the notion is seen today, perversely, by conservatives such as yourself as somehow communistic. Of course the pioneers of yesteryear valued freedom and autonomy and nobody aspired to be the corporate dupe you admire so much.
Example.
Oh, and the above article hasn't even come to grips with just how unrecyclable so many materials actually were.
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It's not clear you understood my point about religion and environmentalism. Religion is about the supernatural, environmentalism natural. Two different realms. It seems you only use the word 'religion' as a slur, to denigrate and belittle the concerns of environmentalists, without understanding the true meaning of the word. I understand you are only thoughtlessly parroting others in using the word, even after I've taken the trouble to correct you. I thought you were more serious than that.
Like metal. Companies pay you for it
Virtue signal > Price signal
It is written!
Unrelated to politics news, apparently Pantera is touring again. Which is weird.
This song popped up on my player as well, so enjoy:
https://youtu.be/td-v6vG2Xhs
Well that is news.
Break a
leghip, Dimebag.I... I have some bad news about Dimebag. He died 20 years ago.
Wow doesn't feel like that incident happened that long ago.
18 years ago this year.
You know, I knew that and completely forgot. Fuck, I suddenly feel old.
I find that happens a lot lately.
What's the point if Vinnie Paul and Dimebag are both dead? Phil Anselmo and Rex Brown must be really hard up for money.
Dimebag was shot and killed by a deranged fan at a concert. That is like something out of Spinal Tap. WTF?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/24/stacey-abrams-fair-fight-action-00061348
Politico finally admits that Stacy Abrams is a crook and her claims of election fraud in 2018 are bullshit. The internal polling in the Georgia governor's race must be terrible for Abrams. This has been known for four years. Politico could have run this story any time. They didn't and maintained the lie that Abrams' claims were credible. Now that she is going to lose the election and is no longer useful, the Democratic state media has been cleared to tell the truth.
Let's hope that if Kemp beats this bitch, that will be the last we ever hear of her as a national figure, although with it being Georgia, my confidence that another freak will step in to try and fill her massive elephant footprints is extremely high.
There is always another freak. That being said, the Georgia Democratic Party once produced Sam Nun and Richard Russell to the Senate. Now the best they can do is Abrams and Warnock. The party must be nothing but freaks and lunatics.
But she's so beautiful. How could she be a liar?
Fuck Joe Biden.
14.4 days.
14 days? A number like that, alone and without context is meaningless. ?
Though as degrees in Gender Studies have gone thru the roof!
As Homer would say, "Woo Hoo!!!"
If you wrote a book with this sort of plot line, nobody would believe it.https://videowallrentalaustin.com/
Common sense (as opposed to “expertise”) can be applied to so many things. Math scores fell more than reading scores….because reading is something you just DO, once you learn how. You just pick up a book and go. No special instruction or in-classroom needed. By contrast, practically as early as 2+2=4, humans need specialized instruction to understand math.
Who taught the ancient Greeks?
Isaac Newton is best known for having invented the calculus in his 20’s .
"By contrast, practically as early as 2+2=4, humans need specialized instruction to understand math."
Crows can apparently count up to 7, so 2+2=4 is well within their wheelhouse. The story goes that if 7 hunters enter a field and 6 exit leaving one hunter lying in wait, the crows won't return. With 8 hunters the crows return. It may be apocryphal but it works nevertheless, as I've tried my own adaptation of the technique smuggling a female lady up to my hotel room past suspicious front desk clerks.
You go to hotels where the clerks are crows?
I would if I could. Crows and their relatives, blue jays, magpies etc are among my favorite birds. Ravens especially feature in Indian folklore for their mimicry, cunning and playfulness. Ravens have lived in the Tower of London for hundreds of years and are thought to protect the realm and the crown from evil. I've never had any contact with them, unfortunately.
Does an evil realm need to be protected from evil?
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Common core where 2+2=racism!