California's Housing Policy Fight Is Flipping Traditional Political Alliances
Democrats are in favor of reducing the power of government over property owners, while Republicans want bureaucrats to rule.

In its opposition to a new state law that eliminates parking requirements for developments located near transit lines, the city of Newport Beach offered this whiny complaint to the Legislature: "We believe cities, not the state, are best suited to determine the parking needs of development projects in their jurisdiction."
Well, I'll one-up the Newport Beach City Council. I believe citizens and businesses, not city officials, are best suited to determine the parking needs of their customers as they propose new projects. Why fight over which level of bureaucrat will run our lives? Why not just let people make their own decisions? When it comes to local development issues, that's the central political question of the day.
Sadly, many Republicans have abandoned free-market principles in favor of culture wars, which often puts them on the side of the Not In My Back Yarders (NIMBYs) who oppose market-oriented housing policies. Equally weird, Democrats—who believe that more government is the solution to virtually every problem—are starting to learn about the value of deregulation.
Conservatives often depict Democratic efforts to jumpstart urban housing construction as a plot to force us all to live in "stack and pack" housing. They act as if single-family-only rules are sacrosanct, rather than being a government-imposed, post-World War II construct. Those who think that way should, just for fun, visit downtown Fullerton or Pasadena and note the diverse land uses that were common before modern zoning took shape.
Democratic inconsistency is equally bizarre. As my former Orange County Register editor used to say, "Everyone, Steve, is a libertarian on the 25 percent of things they really care about." Regarding housing policy, a majority of Democrats is so committed to increasing urban density and walkability that they are willing to do the unthinkable—reduce the role of government and allow markets to work.
Sure, some Democrats are in the "protect our communities" NIMBY group and some Republicans have admirably voted in favor of major housing-deregulation bills. Generally speaking, though, the housing debate has caused an ideological shift. Liberals are open to less government (because it yields the results they want) and conservatives want more government (because it yields the results they want).
The "get off my lawn" crowd still is fuming about last year's passage of two housing laws—and wealthy cities (including liberal and conservative ones) are trying to obstruct their implementation. Senate Bill 9 allows Californians to build duplexes in single-family neighborhoods on a "by right" basis—eliminating bureaucratic subjectivity and the heckler's veto from your nosy neighbor. Senate Bill 10 eases permitting of 10-unit developments near transit.
Other similar land-use statutes are coming their way. Gov. Gavin Newsom touts a list of 41 housing bills that he signed this year that should help jumpstart housing construction. Most of them offer minor legislative tweaks or include the usual array of subsidies. But a handful of them are as significant as SB 9 and 10—and worthy of applause.
I previously mentioned the parking bill, AB 2097. Current parking minimums are absurd (and designed for peak hours)—and a constraint on the market. If you own a store or are building condominiums, then you should determine the amount of parking your customers need. These requirements explain why so much of our built environment has the ambiance of an airport landing strip. By the way, the coolest downtowns I've visited have little parking—and the bleakest ones are a sea of parking lots.
It's an issue everywhere, of course. "Excessive parking obstructs housing development, impedes adaptive reuse of buildings, and hinders the creation of vibrant spaces that allow our community to flourish and feel connected," wrote Alaska Assemblyman Kevin Cross (R–Eagle Creek) in calling for Anchorage to reduce its parking minimums.
Newsom also signed Assembly Bill 2011, which "allows for ministerial, by-right approval for affordable housing on commercially-zoned lands, and also allows such approvals for mixed-income housing along commercial corridors," wrote California YIMBY (Yes In My Back Yard). Senate Bill 6 does something similar, but is more restrictive. Both bills passed as a compromise to placate competing union demands.
In plain English, the measures allow conversion of decrepit shopping malls into housing–provided developers follow a number of conditions related to the amount of "affordable" housing included in the project. I don't care for the "we're deregulating provided you follow all these new regulations" aspect of the laws, but they are more good than bad.
It was encouraging that both shopping-mall measures had overwhelming bipartisan support, as did two other new housing laws. Assembly Bill 221 further loosens the rules surrounding the construction of granny flats. Senate Bill 886 exempts from CEQA housing projects at public universities–made necessary after a community group used the environmental law to challenge Berkeley's expansion plans.
Perhaps the best news is it's getting increasingly difficult to be a NIMBY in Sacramento anymore.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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"Democrats are in favor of reducing the power of government over property owners, while Republicans want bureaucrats to rule."
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"WHO would EVER have DREAMED of such a thing?!??!"
Deceitful Nazi-Fans trying to build Nazi-Support. Perhaps you should ask why this ONE single subject in ONE single city makes such big news. Maybe because it's such a HUGE surprise when a Nazi isn't about bureaucrats rule!
And just never-mind the deceitful twist played in this article.
"Well, I'll one-up the Newport Beach City Council. I believe citizens and businesses, not city officials, are best suited to determine the parking needs of their customers as they propose new projects."
-- The authors take; not the Democrats.....
And pretending Local-Representation for Local-Issues is automatically bureaucrats rule. Another authors take; not the Republicans.
Greenhut doesn't explain the supposed shift very fairly though.
Republicans are in favor of local governments being able to set housing requirements. This is consistent with a long standing Republican tradition of local control and distrust of centralized government. (This is most obvious in Republican efforts to block state-wide or national education policies that are out of step with local cultural values.)
Democrats are in favor of the state government being able to prevent local governments from blocking higher density construction. This may help individual lot owners increase the economic value of their property, but remains consistent with Democrats' long standing tradition of centralizing power and imposing uniform rules on everyone.
There's nothing new here.
You got that exactly right CE.
The commies want state control over local regulations, that local voters have most say about.
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They are good as they are capable of being, though.
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That comment was 100% serious. And what happened? A bunch of name calling.
LMAO... If the 'name calling' doesn't materialize you can always just pretend it did. Ya know; kind of like how you leftards here ran around pretending commenters supported Trump signing the Cares Act even though that was completely unfounded too.
One thing you leftards always remind me is you're all faithful worshipers of [WE] mob building (there's no I in Team dictation.. /s)
You say there's not name calling and then call me a leftard. Irony, meet TJJ2000. TJ2000, meet irony.
And then when called out..
Resort to PROJECTION...
UR just a bucket of mind-games.
See my comment immediately above your post.
"Conservatives often depict Democratic efforts to jumpstart urban housing construction as a plot to force us all to live in "stack and pack" housing. They act as if single-family-only rules are sacrosanct, rather than being a government-imposed, post-World War II construct."
And a certain type of Reason libratarian can't stand single family housing, and will never accept that many people actually prefer neighborhoods without apartment buildings and houses subdivided into 5 living units.
If you will never accept that many people actually prefer neighborhoods where Jews and Blacks are allowed to be living nearby, the libertarian thing to do would be to work hard and productively enough to fill real needs in the free market, such that you could afford to buy for yourself and your family, ALL of the houses within "X" distance of YOUR house, to accommodate your "special needs" to exclude Jews and Blacks. Otherwise, fuck off, and tolerate your neighbors! We need to share the planet, and it is a sharply limited resource!
You've just equated wanting to live in a leafy suburb with wanting to run Blacks and Jews out of town. As usual, you've beclowned yourself.
Really, 9:30 is too early for you to be drunk already.
Being one of the "...many people (who) actually prefer neighborhoods without apartment buildings and houses subdivided into 5 living units" is intolerant busy-bodyism, Buttinksyism, and Nosenheimerism, when it is NOT your property! This is HIGHLY similar to wanting to "fence out" the Jews and the Blacks!
WHAT is this BIG difference here, Flaming-Cross Genius?
WHAT is this BIG difference here, Flaming-Cross Genius?
Funny that you should note at lest one of the biggest differences in your feeble attempt at an insult. Nobody ever burned a cross in the yard of an apartment building (with the obvious threat of violence) over land use restrictions.
God you are pathetic.
And when we pass laws that MUST be obeyed (or else your property is forcibly stolen from you, or your freedom is taken from you in jail, or you are given "capital punishment"), then this is SOOOO much more "tolerant" than having Bill Diablo subject you to Bill's Burning-Cross Genius?
I have a water hose and a fire extinguisher, which will can use to take care of your acts of burning-crosses "genius". They will NOT work on your Government Almighty that you want to "sic" on me!!!
Who let you out of your cage early? It's before noon, and usually your crazy doesn't start till then. It's too early for nuttiness.
Where's the nuttiness? Would you rather be bothered to put out the fire on a flaming cross, or be actually PUNISHED by Government Almighty? (I'm not saying that either one is a GOOD thing.)
Or... Like totalitarians everywhere... Do you imagine that it will always be YOU and Your Special Tribe that will be doing the punishing? Der TrumpfenFuhrer has abolished karma, has abolished "what comes around, goes around"?
ALL HAIL to Der TrumpfenFuhrer, then, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
Cato and Jacobin make strange bedfellows. See link below.
You own your own home, you do not own your neighbors home and you most certainly do not own your neighborhood.
Don't call yourself a "small government conservative" when what you want is to have government control all the people around you.
HOA; Gov-Guns aren't needed except to enforce Justice on contracts.
HOAs can be OK ***IF*** older property owners get grandfathered on NEW clauses and restrictions! And to REALLY do it right, those who get grandfathered? In order to preserve THEIR property rights, they should be able to SELL their properties, WITH the grandfathered rights being passed right on to the buyers as well! Because otherwise, people (original buyers before new restrictive clauses got added) are getting RIPPED OFF of their property rights! (One POSSIBLE fix is to make the HOA BUY, at the seller's choice and price, the grandfathered property rights being otherwise stolen.)
(The Devil is in the details here as is so often the case.)
Single family housing is too American for them. The cool kids all criticize America for coolness points. Reason writers and Greenhut want to be in the social circle with the cool kids.
I guess it's "weird" that some liberals are capable of realizing that their devotion to "planning" and the "environment" was simply a rationalization of their desire to protect their environment and their property values, and that letting the market decide things instead might benefit lower income people who might benefit from being able to live in an area experiencing economic growth, but I like to think that it's not too surprising. And if Republicans are starting to display their thinly concealed racism as well--"now we have to keep out the blacks and Hispanics ourselves because the damn liberals won't do it for us any more"--well, that's not too surprising either.
Weird how you got that when the article didn't say any of those things. In fact, the article says the opposite - that liberals have not realized that the market can do a better job or that their devotion to "the environment" was merely a rationalization for protecting their property values.
The Rs are no better but also no worse. Your allegations of racism sound more like projection than evidence.
Yeah; cause only black and Hispanics live in apartment complexes...
Give me a break with all this racism.
False: Democrats are in favor of reducing the power of government over property owners, while Republicans want bureaucrats to rule.
True: Marxist Democrats are in favor of reducing the power of government over rich property owners, and increasing power and control over middle class property owners, while Republicans (since 1840) want to treat everyone more fairly and equally.
"...while Republicans (since 1840) want to treat everyone more fairly and equally."
Except if you are producing goods and services for export, and you're an un-American... Or if you want to come to the USA, to apply for asylum, and you're an illegal sub-human... Or if you want your NON-Trump vote counted honestly... Or if you want prompt medical treatment for your dangerous Fallopian-tube cyst... Or if you want to blow, in an unauthorized manner, on a cheap plastic flute! (I do VERY freely admit that "both sides" are guilty on some of these issues.)
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P.S. If you're exporting from UN-American residency your NON-Trump vote shouldn't be counted. Did you have some theory as to why the rest of the world should be voting in American politics?
"If you’re exporting from UN-American residency your NON-Trump vote shouldn’t be counted."
True dat! HOWEVER, your PRO Trump vote shouldn't be counted, either, in that case!
Except I'm a US Citizen; so of course it should.
Kulaks
https://jacobin.com/2022/10/yimby-movement-social-public-housing-bill-california-darrell-owens-left
Jacobin/Cato/Reason new alliance. First things first. Ban single family homes. Build apartments, then do rent control, eviction bans, community bank lending: cash loans are here; no job, no credit, convicted felon—- no worries!!
"Ban single family homes." "Rent control." "Ban evictions."
PLEASE provide citation(s) for when Reason.com writers have EVER favored ANY of these?
And YOUR earlier post says "freeze property taxes and water /sewer service bills for anyone who already lives there..." Sounds pretty damned close to "rent control" to me! Will upwards costs due to inflation be permitted? In a severe drought, who will magically make more water appear, to keep costs down? Or shall we send invading armies to Mexico and Canuckistanistanistan to steal THEIR water?
Requiring taxpayers and rate payers to pay for extended infrastructure for “affordable” housing isn’t free market dummy.
Oh, I agree with you on that! My OTHER points and questions? You totally ignored them! "Freezing" what I pay for various shit (in the face of shortages and inflation) is the same animal as rent control! And it (rent control, price control) is discriminatory, and doesn't work! And Reason.com has said so, MANY times!!!
Freezing taxes is a prop 13 /California equivalent. For now, the democrats in California cannot raise property taxes to New Jersey levels. I’m told by leftists that the problem in California is prop 13.
You’ll be happy when $300/month sewage water bills come your way. There’s no such thing as Newly built dense AFFORDABLE housing. Dense housing means upgrading infrastructure who pays for that?
Yes, fairness says the new guys should pay for the new infrastructure. I've got older stuff, needs torn up and replaced more often... Not as good as new stuff. So my price FOR INFRASTRUCTURE should be lower, for the lower, older, degraded quality. Break it out for new structure v/s basic services (and goods like water). Flat-out price control w/o any finesse makes a mess of things though!
Yes, making the older residents and richer people pay more to subsidize "the poor" is creeping, disguised socialism. I agree about THAT!
We agree good. The deal on the fair housing act of the Biden administration is that every dense development contains up to 15-25 percent subsidized units (utilities subsidized also ) in exchange for public transportation and road maintenance taxpayer transfers. 40 percent of the population that pay federal taxes already pays for the DOT.
I can only assume that Cato agrees with the World Economic Forum. A percentage of Marxism mixed with free market capitalism. That’s a really bad bed to crawl into and is destroying the country. I’m sorry that everyone in the world cannot afford beachfront property in California or Maui.
they have taken local control away ,small government/republican and given it to a large buracracy/democrats controlled by outsiders who have no understanding of local issues and solve all problems with the same hammer.
my little town of one and two story houses in the forest could now be required to have a 6 story plus housing project that no one can still afford to live in. . they just built a three story monstrosity in my town for those in need with minimum rents of $900/month the homeless already don't have money where are they going to come up with that plus utilities
They’ll get YOU, the rate payer, to pay the utilities.
6 story plus housing project that no one can still afford to live in. . they just built a three story monstrosity in my town for those in need with minimum rents of $900/month the homeless already don’t have money where are they going to come up with that plus utilities
It's stupid beyond comprehension. The reason the left has embraced these issues as of late is because of the horrible, eye-popping homelessness problem they themselves, and they alone created. So... to a very limited degree, fair enough, they're trying to... do something about it.
The problem is, they've identified "affordable housing" as the cause of homelessness, which it's not. They've identified the wrong problem and are going after it.
The homeless guy under the bridge down the street from me can't afford the apartment if the rent drops from $1900 a month to $1100 a month, let alone $900 a month or $300 a month.
The other side of the problem is the progressives who have suddenly gotten on board with the... "deregulatory" aspect of zoning claim to want to reduce the 'cost of housing' while maintaining their own personal property values. They have an entirely schizophrenic plan: The cost of NEW housing coming on the market will be magically so cheap that the homeless meth addict muttering on the corner can finally live in a 2 bedroom apartment with dignity, while all existing housing stock remains valuable.
I've said this before, I'll say it again, if a progressive, soros-funded politician showed up on his constituents' door and proposed an honest plan that would reduce housing prices, showing the housing price of the constituent he was talking to would drop by 60%, he'd get every door slammed in his face.
Other similar land-use statutes are coming their way. Gov. Gavin Newsom touts a list of 41 housing bills that he signed this year that should help jumpstart housing construction.
Good luck selling them with current interest rates, silly ass.
Unless we’re going to do the high risk loan free-for-all, again.
Yep that’s exactly what the Dems are doing, again.
> Those who think that way should, just for fun, visit downtown Fullerton or Pasadena and note the diverse land uses that were common before modern zoning took shape.
Okay Brea is nice and quaint and conformist. A model 50s era suburb. Every little bungalow all the same with tiny tidy yards .I would not mind retiring there, but only because it's such a tiny place and easy to leave to go shopping in Fullerton. Brea is not a town so much as a large neighborhood.
Pasadena, on the other hand, is like the nicest place in all of Southern California. And amazingly, the people are pretty nice too. I wouldn't mind retiring there either. Diverse places, diverse people (in the genuine sense, not in the Lefty sense), good brewpubs, good bookstores, good neighborhoods, world class scientists, all the best football games are played there. And yes, not everything is a mandated single family bungalow. Thought they do exist in abundance.
Pasadena has character in a desert of suburbs that lack character.
Pasadena, on the other hand, is like the nicest place in all of Southern California. And amazingly, the people are pretty nice too.
Plus lots of little old ladies.
Liberals are open to less government (because it yields the results they want) and conservatives want more government (because it yields the results they want).
Kind of... and I'm being kind.
When a liberal comes to your door with a set of three ring binders, telling you he wants to "upzone" your neighborhood to reduce housing prices, he's not looking for the libertarian, live-and-let live, deregulatory endgame.
Conversely, if the conservative comes to your door the next day, warning you about what the liberal is really up to, xe still may be your best friend.
“I see you have a very clean, single family home suburban district here… we on the left don’t like those. Car-centric, back yards that require water, not good for the environment. There are a bunch of regulations here we’d like to get rid of that get in the way of the state bulldozing this. You know that high-density neighborhood across town that’s full of meth addicts, tents and homeless people? Very efficient. Everyone has a 200 sq ft sleep pod, they all ride eScooters to work, and if you really feel the need to, you know, water something, there’s a community garden, just don’t go there at night. We’d like to make this neighborhood just like that one!”
MAGA-hat: Not in my backyard.
Reason: NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY
Not only that, they want ME, the taxpayer and rate payer to pay for all this -jobs programs for humanities majors- shit.
"I am signing Assembly Bill 2097 which prohibits local agencies from imposing or enforcing parking minimums on residential and commercial developments within one-half mile of a major transit stop unless certain conditions are met."
It actually fits. They want to eliminate cars near transits.
Just making it harder to own a car if you live next to commie-rails.
However; as the article points out. Intentions aside. It is a bill towards more Ownership (i.e. Complex owners decide the level of parking not city-bureaucrats). Which is a step in the right direction for USA principles.
Seems partisan wars are becoming the subject within themselves. As well proven by the Pro-Life movement trying desperately to reverse their parties very own 1970s Roe v Wade ruling. That's right. Roe v Wade was established by Republicans.
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...the coolest downtowns I've visited have little parking—and the bleakest ones are a sea of parking lots.
If I can't find a place to park, I don't go back.
The coolest downtowns are pedestrian friendly, but also have ample free parking a block or two away.
You heard it hear first. Newsom is a real libertarian.
Newsom/Cheney 2024
Cheney / Newsom 2024
By the way, the coolest downtowns I've visited have little parking—and the bleakest ones are a sea of parking lots.
Here's our cool downtown where parking has been systematically removed and restricted.
Here’s a place with so little parking, the shit is closed to the public from 1130pm to 4am– even the sign says so.
And trespassers WILL be prosecuted. Will be. Without exception!
It’s tragic in so many ways. I’m in the pragmatism camp and honestly believe that the federal government should buy thousands of acres in the Ozarks, put up a legal trailer park system, surrounded with barbed wire fencing, for junkies. Plenty of water. Can’t burn the place down. Free drugs or addiction treatment if they prefer a way to get out of the life.
A lot of this is just a jobs program for urbanists who believe they can FIX addiction and violence with social workers and free stuff. Just read San Francisco’s median income went from $120/k to $110/k. Even the Kulaks are fleeing
So this is a mishmash of democrat run seeping shit:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/state/2022/09/14/nj-affordable-housing-lawsuit-phil-murphy/69494275007/
I assume the DSA are suing Governor Murphy for something or other here, racism and new government bureaucrat jobs or planning jobs? Here’s my favorite housing sentence of all time, directed at private developers:
“You can build as much free market housing as you want…[sounds good]
the sentence continues…
“You can build as much free market housing as you want, as long as 20percent of the project is affordable”.
So at this point can we finally admit that neither party cares about "big government" or "small government" in any kind of principled way? Republicans became associated with "small government" in the second half of the 20th century because "small government" happened to be helpful in advancing some of their most salient policy goals, while Democrats were the opposite. But as soon as that changes, the sides flip.
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The idea that selective elimination of parking requirements near government funded transit stops is somehow “free market” is ludicrous. What are you people smoking?
If “more good than bad” is your criterion, you aren't even pretending to be a libertarian anymore, are you.
Why not rename the magazine to “Progress”?
“…Sadly, many Republicans have abandoned free-market principles in favor of culture wars, which often puts them on the side of the Not In My Back Yarders (NIMBYs) who oppose market-oriented housing policies. Equally weird, Democrats—who believe that more government is the solution to virtually every problem—are starting to learn about the value of deregulation..."
Anyone else curious regarding the color of the major star in that portion of the universe?
What a steaming pile of shit.
Yes, the D's are dedicated to market-based housing programs. So dedicated, they'll use the power of the gov't to get them:
"California Governor Proposes $4 Billion for Affordable Housing and Homelessness Programs"
https://nlihc.org/resource/california-governor-proposes-4-billion-affordable-housing-and-homelessness-programs
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Senate Bill 9 allows Californians to build duplexes in single-family neighborhoods on a "by right" basis—eliminating bureaucratic subjectivity and the heckler's veto from your nosy neighbor.
Does it require a reassessment of property value and bypass Prop13? If so, it won't work because longer-term homeowners are never going to allow a bypass of the Prop13 distortion - and newer homeowners are very unlikely to find a lot/home that benefits from 'duplexing' on the market.
Go away Greenhut.
Restrictive zoning laws are a response to desegregation. Both the right and the left (hypocritically so) use zoning to keep their neighborhoods safe. Segregation is a prerequisite to repealing zoning laws, no one will tell you that though.
Except for Martha’s Vineyard- perish the thought
The principled libertarian position is to get rid of zoning and let tort law decide.
Because government should be reactive, not proactive. Proactively setting zoning rules becomes a game of cronies. Allowing people to peacefully resolve conflicts in court is what government is for.
My understanding of tort law is that if you build something that obstructs my view, I can seek damages in court. If you set up a pig farm next door and my kids can’t play outside because of the stench, I can seek damages in court.
Am I wrong?
Additionally, my understanding is that zoning laws shield people from tort law. So as long as the person causing damages scratched the right backs, they are immune. Game of cronies.
How does it work in Japan?
They don’t use zoning. Or rather it is very limited.
Seems the topic at hand is me, and how you apparently know more about the law. I'm not interested in continuing the conversation because I anticipate it devolving into you calling me names, and I just don't want to deal with it. I'll look around and see if I can find some more discussions on tort vs zoning. Try to learn something.