Putin Have You Panicked? You Can Survive a Nuclear Exchange
Politicians have turned the unthinkable into a real threat for which you should prepare.

While it's possible to ignore overseas horrors so long as they stay distant, that's increasingly difficult with the war in Ukraine. Not only is the conflict worsening conditions in a world already damaged by pandemic responses, but Russia's President Vladimir Putin threatens nuclear escalation and U.S. President Joe Biden warns of resulting "Armageddon." It's a grim reminder that government power enables ambitious individuals to put millions of lives at risk. And it's a heads-up to us as individuals do what we can to preserve ourselves, our families, and our communities if the situation gets even worse.
"To protect Russia and our people, we, Of course, we use all the means at our disposal. This is not a bluff," Putin huffed in a September address to his country that was far from the first time he and his government invoked the use of nuclear weapons, always by insisting it's in response to the West. "The territorial integrity of our Motherland, our independence and freedom will be ensured, I emphasize this again, by all that we have means. And those who are trying to blackmail us with nuclear weapons should know that the wind rose can turn around and in their direction."
In case anybody wondered where the White House stands, Biden answered that question last week when he evoked "the prospect of Armageddon" and said of Putin: "He is not joking when he talks about the potential use of tactical and nuclear weapons, or biological or chemical weapons."
The likelihood of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons—relatively small-yield battlefield weapons rather than large warheads on intercontinental missiles—seems to grow as the invading country's armed forces suffer setbacks in Ukraine. The government of Ukraine certainly takes the possibility seriously: it's preparing evacuation centers and stocking them with potassium iodide pills which help to prevent the absorption of radiation by the thyroid gland.
How NATO, especially the U.S., would respond is an open question since it's subject to constant debate. America's arsenal also includes tactical nukes, and the Pentagon considers their use in its plans. The conflict could remain confined to the very unfortunate region. Or maybe not. It's a hell of a gamble.
If missiles fly, do we want to live through the aftermath envisioned in Threads or The Day After? That's a personal choice. But those media productions were intended to make a case against war, not to show how to pull through if it happens. Other sources say a nuclear exchange would be brutal, but survivable.
"An all-out nuclear war between Russia and the United States would be the worst catastrophe in history, a tragedy so huge it is difficult to comprehend," Cresson Kearny, a researcher at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory, wrote in Nuclear War Survival Skills, a comprehensive treatment of prevailing through such a disaster. "Even so, it would be far from the end of human life on earth. The dangers from nuclear weapons have been distorted and exaggerated, for varied reasons."
Physical copies of the most recent edition of Nuclear War Survival Skills are available for purchase, but PDFs of the 1979 original can be downloaded for free from the Oak Ridge National Laboratory.
One point Kearny emphasized was, even at the height of Cold War tensions, a nuclear exchange was unlikely to go full Armageddon. Rather than waste warheads on cities, strategists would likely emphasize military targets. That's still grim news for those in surrounding communities. Just how grim is detailed in FEMA's Planning Guidance for Response to a Nuclear Detonation, updated in May of this year. Still, FEMA adds, "with careful planning, many lives can be saved and injuries mitigated" even in a city under attack. To survive if you're at or near a target, says FEMA, "get inside, stay inside… Move to the lowest level/most interior portion of the building if possible." Fallout is a concern specific to nuclear attack, but its dangers rapidly decline even in the worst affected areas.
"Within two weeks after an attack the occupants of most shelters could safely stop using them, or could work outside the shelters for an increasing number of hours each day," Kearny noted in his book.
For most people, living at a distance from targets, fallout would be a lesser or nonexistent concern even in a full-scale exchange. Larger environmental effects have also been exaggerated.
"Unsurvivable 'nuclear winter' is a discredited theory that, since its conception in 1982, has been used to frighten additional millions into believing that trying to survive a nuclear war is a waste of effort and resources," observed Kearny.
That's not to deny the dangers inherent in even a limited nuclear exchange. We've seen that supply chains were seriously snarled by lockdowns, social-distancing mandates, and private fears in response to COVID-19; it's difficult to imagine that the detonation of one or more nuclear warheads and anticipation of the response would be less disruptive.
"For example, if the great majority of truckers were so fearful of receiving even non-incapacitating radiation doses that they would refuse to transport food, additional millions would die from starvation alone," warned Kearny.
In the lead-up to Hurricane Ian, Floridians stripped supermarkets bare of food and water, even though destructive storms are a familiar threat for people who live in the region. Waiting to the last minute is a common human trait but preparing for imminent peril at the same time as everybody else is a recipe for disaster. Homeland Security's Ready.gov offers advice on surviving nuclear explosions, and emphasizes maintaining an emergency preparedness kit at all times for unexpected crises. That kit should include "at least a several-day supply of non-perishable food" as well as water and medicine, but much more is better. If your budget is tight, buy a little extra at a time to put away.
You also don't want to get caught on the roads in a panicked rush to flee potential targets. Yes, not being at ground zero is a great idea. But not being stuck on the highway in a crisis may be even better, and roads regularly jam as people flee storms and wildfires. A nuke going off in Ukraine may send many people running for the hills. You're probably better off finding refuge close to home, especially if the exchange remains limited to Eastern Europe.
"Identify the best shelter location near where you spend a lot of time, such as home, work, and school. The best locations are underground and in the middle of larger buildings," suggests Ready.gov.
With international tensions rising, the specifics of what you should prepare for are hard to predict. But the last few years taught us that the world, and people wielding political power, have plenty of curve balls to throw. Getting ready to survive the results of escalating war in Ukraine makes sense. And maybe, someday, we'll rein-in governments to minimize the risk of catastrophic man-made disruptions in the future.
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Biden compared the current tensions to the Cuban missile crisis.
The US Is arming and escalating a bloody civil war right on Russias border that threatens Russian security.
Unlike the Cuban missile crisis, the US instigated the civil war in 2014 in Ukraine.
Plus 100000
"...The US Is arming and escalating a bloody civil war right on Russias border that threatens Russian security.
Unlike the Cuban missile crisis, the US instigated the civil war in 2014 in Ukraine."
Bullshit as always, nazi scumbag. While the US has no business supplying weapons to either side, you sort of left out the salient point that Russia *invaded* Ukraine.
Further, not even Vox buys your "instigated civil war" lies:
"This all began as an internal Ukrainian crisis in November 2013, when President Viktor Yanukovych rejected a deal for greater integration with the European Union (here's why this was such a big deal), sparking mass protests, which Yanukovych attempted to put down violently. Russia backed Yanukovych in the crisis, while the US and Europe supported the protesters."
https://www.vox.com/2014/9/3/18088560/ukraine-everything-you-need-to-know
Fuck off and die, nazi shit.
Misek has established himself, in addition to be a pathological liar, as a Jew hating scumbag. Appreciate your response to such, but for me that job is about as appealing as picking up road kill on a hot day down South.
Seems a lot of us pick which assholish scumbags we wish to engage. I'll leave white mike, sarc, joe asshole and several others to those who choose to; this pile of shit gets my wholehearted scorn.
Well somebody has to do it; appreciate your service, sir!!
“These people Mr. Biden is cutting checks to in Ukraine aren’t being labeled fascists the way the term is thrown around on Twitter. They are full-on, jackbooted, stiff-armed, “Heil Hitler,” cheering-at-Nuremberg Rallies Nazis — and they’re proud of it.”
These are the people fuckwits like Sevo the retarded are on record supporting.
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/mar/8/biden-plays-into-putins-lies-by-arming-neo-nazis-i/
Use a mirror much?
"These are the people fuckwits like Sevo the retarded are on record supporting."
It takes a willful ignorance to make a claim like that, but our nazi shit-for-brains is up to it.
Unlike the lying waste of skin you are, I back up my claims with proof.
Rob Misek
March.19.2022 at 5:59 pm
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You’re the fuckwit advocating funding Nazis in Ukraine.
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Sevo
March.19.2022 at 7:54 pm
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Nazi scum is a liar besides; cite just one time backing your bullshit.
Fuck off and die.
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Rob Misek
March.19.2022 at 9:41 pm
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You are a lying waste of skin. What’s the matter, ashamed of yourself? You should be.
You were chiming in with the “stepping up” spirit the other day.
Sending bullets to the Jew Zelensky, puts them in Nazi guns fuckwit.
Sevo
March.7.2022 at 6:09 pm
"NASCAR Team Owner Offers Ukraine 1M Rounds Of Ammunition"
http://reason.com/2022/03/19/from-iraq-to-ukraine-the-american-press-loves-a-war/?comments=true#comment-9411907
Compare nazi shit bag's comments:
"These are the people fuckwits like Sevo the retarded are on record supporting."
To:
"You are a lying waste of skin. What’s the matter, ashamed of yourself? You should be.
You were chiming in with the “stepping up” spirit the other day.
Sending bullets to the Jew Zelensky, puts them in Nazi guns fuckwit."
Wherein I note a racecar owner is sending ammo. Quite the cheerleading, no?
No, fuckface.
Eat shit and die, nazi shit-for-brains
Wow. When you string the Gaslighting Gauleiter’s comments together like that they really start MARCHING TO A FASTER PACE!
One comment is all it takes to expose a liar.
That’s why liars will always lose. The most elaborate lie can be exposed, refuted, defeated with the simplest truth, reality. While truth itself can never be refuted.
You seem to think you can mince your words to create plausible deniability, that is after all what liars do, but commensurate with the stupidity of all liars you slip up, and with every lie a body of evidence belies your true character. A lying waste of skin.
You claim to be ambivalent toward US involvement in Ukraine but your comment linking an article supporting NASCAR sending munitions to Ukraine in response to an article advocating that private companies in the US should “step up” with humanitarian aid, exposes your surreptitious but true priority.
Simultaneously, while you demonize others as liars you have been demonstrated to be a liar and support liars time and again.
Umpteen times I have challenged you to prove your repeated claims that you’ve witnessed that something I’ve said has been refuted and never have you done so. Instead you cut and run.
Just two days ago you said you “quoted” me but when I denied saying what you claimed you admitted that you had no reference to quote. You had lied.
You promised that when I lied again, you would copy that reference and refute me. I immediately reposted my evidence that refutes the holocaust for you to make good on your claim, promise. Of course you didn’t. You cut and run again. What better proof is there that you lie when you say my comments have been refuted?
Everyone here sees how your schtick is vulgar ad hominem attacks on anyone who presents arguments that refute yours, or represent what you deny. In this alone you are completely transparent.
Lastly you support Judaism, a religion that openly advocates lying.
You’re a demonstrated liar, you advocate lying and when challenged you cut and run and pile lies on top of lies.
I recognize that you won’t admit to any of this, but because it’s true you will never refute it. I’m satisfied with these optics.
You to queers need to hook up and but fuck and get it over with.
Is that your advice from experience?
Does being a Homophobe after Misek's own heart keep you from spelling right? Hell, not even Misek does that!
http://reason.com/2022/03/07/companies-and-private-citizens-are-stepping-up-to-help-ukrainians/?comments=true#comments
And a blind link to prove once again shit-for-brains is an ignorant nazi asshole.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
It hasn’t killed you.
Much obliged for taking on the Nazi dirt-bag! I would have done it earlier, but I had an old man dropped over unresponsive in my apartment and I had to call 911. I just hope I haven't handled my first dead person, but I may have.
Whoever has would never have the icy indifference and hostility Misek has towards innocent human beings.
Keep fighting! I'll try to be back in the game soon!
"I had an old man dropped over unresponsive in my apartment and I had to call 911. I just hope I haven’t handled my first dead person, but I may have."
Wow, the imagination runs wild. Come to think about it, this could be a great first two sentences in a novel.
Yeah, the guy was slouched in the ground floor doorway of my apartment building.
He was in his Seventies or Eighties, had a cell phone he obviously tried to use, a bag with two containers of soup, probably from a soup kitchen.
He was not breathing, unresponsive, purple, judging from his exposed leg, a later stage diabetic who didn't handle his condition well. His head was to the side and he was slobbering, so no danger of choking on his own phlegm.
I tried to get him into a flat position to do CPR as per 911 instructions, (I knew from classes it was 100 compressions per minute, the number of beats in the Bee Gee's song "Stayin' Alive.")
But when I pulled his legs, he wouldn't budge and when I pulled his arms, I heard a "Pop!" and I reckoned it best not to move him more and told the phone attendant I might break something by accident if I move him. If he was still alive, a fracture at his age could have killed him for sure.
Fortunately, the EMTs and Fire Deparment arrived at that moment with an Automatic Electronic Defibrillator (AED) and an electro-mechanical device for doing CPR. I got out of the way of the professionals as the did their work, went out the back way of the apartment, and seen no more of the man after that.
Before they left, I asked an EMT about the man's prognosis and the EMT doubted it was good. I'll try to find out more from neighbors later.
I appreciate your statement about my writing, but if going through this is what it takes to be a Mickey Spillane, I'll leave it to someone else.
Ever heard of Putin's Wagner Group? Neo-Nazi White Supremacists all of them!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Sevo, come on man. There were Ukrainian Jews involved, who, as aspiring SS Grupenfuhrer Misek informs, are really Nazis. And also criminals, checause all Jews are liars, which makes them criminals. So Putin was really just stopping a state sponsor of internal crime (lying). Clearly, Ukraine was the aggressor, forcing Putin to send troops in. Ukraine further provoked the Russian troops by the way they were dressed and not keying back and enjoying it.
So obviously, an all out ore emotive nuclear strike by Putin is the only reasonable course of action, because of Jews.
Shit-bag Misek, always with the Jooze.
When he was young his favorite part of snack time was when he finally eliminated all of his juice.
Although tit didn’t work out well when he kept trying to roast his juice in the oven.
Roasting his pull-ups after peeing in them would smell awful! 🙂
You mean peed his pants? 🙂
THE GUTTER’S ALIVE WITH THE SOUND OF MISEK
SuperAryanÜbermenschenNaziHalitosis!
Yes corrupt oligarch companies like the one Hunter Biden worked for wanted the freedom to rape Ukrainian wealth in alliance with the west.
But the people had democratically elected a pro Russian government.
The US was caught red handed coordinating the coup, civil war and insertion of the puppet president Jew Zelenski in a recorded phone call between ass Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt.
You know who else was democratically elected?
Fuck Off, Nazi!
The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.“ George Orwell
Sounds like you.
You do know Orwell despised Nazism too, right?
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Ukraine is the Cuban Missile Crisis with the home team flipped.
If you recall, we did not just sit back and allow the USSR to dump missiles into Cuba.
Cue Paul Ehrlich & Alan Robock threatening a low-budget nuclear winter if the Republicans recapture the senate
Actually, if you READ you would know that RUSSIA attacked UKRAINE under the guise (excuse) of ending NAZIISM in Ukraine. It had NOTHING to do with USA and there was no Naziism there. Russia had already taken over nearby lands using force unlawfully. Russia is an EXPANSIONIST nation and a terror to peace.
With regard to nuclear threats: ANY real President would have responded INSTANTLY with delivery of battlefield nuclear arms to UKRAINE along with delivery equipment. Note that these are not ICBM types of weapons, they are designed to take out major enemy installations and logistics stations at close range without peripheral damage.
The ONLY response to Nuclear threat should have been instant Use of battlefield Nukes on behalf of Ukraine and USA. No excuse to let murderers like PUTIN and Russia walk over and kill innocents.
Not even the PEOPLE of RUSSIA want this war. Hundreds of thousands are leaving Russia. They KNOW that PUTINn is bringing Nuclear war to them.
TBF there was some Nazism just it wasn't close to being in charge.
You can find what you or me would define as 'nazism' in some portion of the population of any country, but in most (like Ukraine) it is miniscule.
"ANY real President would have responded INSTANTLY with delivery of battlefield nuclear arms to UKRAINE along with delivery equipment. "
Thank G_d, the US does not have a real President.
However, with his hints of Armagedon, Old Slow Joe is heading off the rails in an extremely dangerous way
It's astonishing how fast people go off-topic here...
Now, to comment. I think it highly irresponsible to say that a nuclear war is survivable. Everyone, duck and cover!
Geez...
It’s trolling 101. The same players repeat it over and over again.
Look at my initial comment, on topic, and the first replies, trolling.
These trolls are the enemies of clear communication. When they can’t prove what they claim or refute what they deny they try to coerce to shut down the dialogue.
I’ve fed these trolls to keep them talking. Like suspects being interviewed by police. The more they talk, the sooner they’ll demonstrate their lies, bigotry and hypocrisy. I’ve achieved exactly that on this thread and many others.
The more people that learn to do this to identify and expose the trolls as enemies of clear speech, the better.
So your response to Kit's fallacious belief about nuclear war is to showcase your apologetics for Holocaust Denial and Putin's thuggery, instead of give Kit proper information on nuclear war survival?
You really are a worshipper of death!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
While nuclear war would be the most horrific form of warfare ever, it doesn't have the power to ignite the atmosphere and destroy all life and it doesn't have the power to blow the Earth apart. Dr. Peter Beckmann explained why in his writings and videos available on YouTube.
The radiation emitted by a nuclear blast dies with the distance from the blast along as exponentially with time according to the Rule of Sevens. People can also guard against it with shelter of sufficient depth or thickness, as well as secured water and non-perishable foods. People under the age of 40 may need Potassium Iodide pills to protect their thyroid gland and will need to burn clothing and bedding exposed to radiation, but extras can be secured in the shelter.
And regardless of whether the threat of death comes from radioisotopes, TNT, flying Lead, or an old-fashioned club, Freedom-loving people do not bend or bow in the face of Tyranny, but prepare to defend and prevail! If you an heir of Patrick Henry, study and get to work for all you hold dear!
Hopefully the first nuke hits the WH.
Duck and cover.
Biden's encouraging Russia to go nuclear, it will give him an opportunity to declare a national emergency and cancel the elections. It's a win/win situation!
Whether there will be any more elections is in doubt regardless. They can always find an excuse. We're certainly near the point in the process of imposing despotism for elections to be stopped.
I’ve been hearing various versions of “the president is going to declare an emergency and cancel elections” since Bush I, which was around the time I started paying attention. I'm sure people had been saying that about previous presidents as well. Yet it's never happened.
Fair enough. But the Senate always had a filibuster for judicial nominations until ... Schumer; then they didn't.
And we have already seen that several states changed their election protocols at the last minute in contravention of their constitutions when they thought the sky was falling during the pandemic.
Very unlikely that Biden or anyone else would demand a suspension of elections ... at least until after the nukes go off.
A few links about the illegal rule changes in states this go-around:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/delaware-supreme-court-takes-one
It is interesting the increasing frequency of conservative commenters here talking about hypothetical Democratic transgressions as if they have actually happened.
Cite?
Democrats transgress all the time.
You sure you don't mean trans dress?
Why can’t it be both?
They’re a drag on the economy sure nuff
Like who, Mike? Give us an instance. Not even a cite, just a who said what.
Nobody's had time to worry about hypotheticals when what the Democrats are actually doing is far worse than the most frenetic imaginings of 2019.
Sort of like the climate concern camp talking about hypothetical impacts of global warming as if they have already happened.
I don't think that's likely to happen either.
However, everything is always OK until it isn't.
Lincoln was reelected with war in full swing. Wilson was in his second term when Europe's opium growers and producers tried their Hail Mary Pass to stave off ratification of the Hague Opium Convention, so no test. But FDR was elected 4 times by drinkers of beer and bankers--twice with war under weigh. Harry "Nukem" Truman was joyously reelected. Rednecks reelected Nixon when "our" bombs rained on civilians in Laos, Cambodia and 'Nam. It looks as though war is a good guarantor of reelection.
But, on the upside, nuclear war will reduce the number of people adding to climate change.
And nuclear winter will offset CO2 emissions and cool down the earth some more, too.
Maybe. The scenario that is currently brewing looks like it may destroy the US, Europe, and Russia but leave China, India, and other areas out of the conflict.
You don't think that once we start tossing nukes around we won't send a few hot potatoes to Beijing? We wouldn't want them to miss out on the fun.
Don’t think we would, knowing they would retaliate. But, who knows, maybe you are right.
If you were getting destroyed why wouldn't you?
There’s destroyed and then there is even more deeply destroyed.
More thoughtful answer: Currently, our non-NATO allies such as Australia and Japan are not involved in this conflict. Leaving China out of it, leaves places such as Australia and Japan out of it.
Japan would still get the nuclear fallout.
Australia would not.
I think Japan should get a pass this time around. Just trying to be fair.
Quick Mike, move yourself to India so you can sleep at night.
Nah, we’ve already assured China that we’re their best girl:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-called-china-twice-trump-term-ended-report-2021-09-14/
Since then, Nancy Pelosi took a trip to Taiwan, for seemingly no better reason than to make herself look tough on China and increase tensions with China.
She was there to pull a Biden and set her son up as her bagman for ChiCom payoffs.
Jesus, scared to death of a respiratory virus but ok with nuclear war.
White Mike's scared to death of both (but understands the necessity of the latter).
Whom precisely are you referring to? Tuccille?
You
Now would be a great time for someone to create a map showing the safest locations to live in case of a nuclear apocalypse. Be interesting to see how that effected rental values in the area.
Likely the safest places will be in the Southern Hemisphere.
The tip of South America has no targets.
South Africa is also unlikely to be targeted
Fallout from Europe and North America will not cross the equator due to the upward wind pattern at the equator.
So sail your boat to Patagonia when the bombs start falling
Patagonia is lovely this time of year.
That might not be true about South Africa. A few decades ago, French weather satellites detected an explosion off the Cape of Good Hope in between South Africa and Antarctica which South Africa was mum about, so they indeed may have The Bomb too.
TR,
That idea is dead wrong. I was actively involved in the analysis of that event at the time.
The prevailing theory offered to Reagan was that the satellite was hit by space debris. Although I doubted that scenario, there was no other evidence (such as fission fragments in the atmosphere that supported the nuclear test hypothesis.
While the flash in the night might have been an Israeli test, there is solid evidence that SA dismantled its nuclear program perhaps primarily because it constituted the only set of target against which a nuclear device might have been useful.
Step one is to look south of the equator.
Assuming the fallout doesn’t end up killing people around the globe. Kind of like ‘On the Beach’.
I'm pretty fucked. Half way between Great Falls AFB and Minot AFB, both major targets (not to mention all the silks buried in Eastern Montana and Western North Dakota).
Silos not silks.
Yup. you're fucked.
Oregon in the US.
Pacific Ocean to the west.
No major targets in the state.
Major targets on the West Coast are in Washington and California.
Winds are mostly west to east.
Port of Portland, several large hydroelectric dams on the Columbia and Snake, Umitulla Proving Grounds. Oh and a few silos in Eastern Oregon. Maybe not primary targets but definitely secondary targets.
Also 1-5, a tertiary target.
See "The Chrysalids," by John Wyndham. In this version, which made the cover of Jefferson Airplane's Crown of Creation, Labrador and New Zealand aren't as badly hit. In Wyndham's "Outward Urge," Brazil survives as the superpower and Heinlein's "Farnham's Freehold" gives Pan-Africa the honor. "Alas Babylon," by Pat Frank, is a reasonable fifties scenario. Fortunately, the Second Amendment has since wiped out "arms control" suicide and surrender. Pootin is the last living relic of the CCCP dictatorship dynasty
Quite a coincidence that Pelosi‘s husband was stocking companies manufacturing potassium iodide pills right before this announcement
Buying stock in companies
While nuclear fucking war is a pretty serious topic, maybe we should take a time out to consider that open corruption is alive and well in the US congress, and so in the open that tiktokers trade stocks based on what congress (and their families) trade:
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/21/1039313011/tiktokers-are-trading-stocks-by-watching-what-members-of-congress-do
Good move. Prussian Blue is another handy thing to own. Bricks of compressed salt laced with vitamins can be gotten from livestock supply outlets. The baked sheetrock & tinfoil radiation detectors described in Nuclear War Survival Skills don't work well at all in humid areas like Texas. They reportedly worked in Arizona. For recommendations see "Atomic Adventures" by James Mahaffey.
Aren't you glad the adults are back in charge? This is the shit you agitated for when you covered for Joe's corruption in Ukraine and prioritized mean tweets against a lying press over a lifetime of actions and current mental instability. This is what you get when you side with a warmongering incompetent fool who pushes to disrupt a peaceful, costless and bloodless status quo for either legacy or payback.
The water they carry for Biden ["Shits"] and Harris ["Giggles"] get heavier by the day,
I see what you did there.
Heavy water!
Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*ck things up
Reason has never acknowledged their role in this disaster of the regime they helped install. Just like state media, they feign surprise.
So far the Democrats have blamed Putin for 1) Hillary Clinton losing the 2016 election, for 2) Trump colluding with Russia (Hillary's longboat hoax far worse than Watergate yet ignored by the MSM), for 3) creating Hunter's laptop, and for 4) anything else they can think of. Russia Russia Russia is a joke at this point.
Then, when Putin is tired of being America's scapegoat, he invades Ukraine. He has a GDP smaller than the state of Texas. He never colluded with Trump. Hunter's laptop was real. And the people who can be squarely blamed for the financial cost, human suffering, and the ridiculousness of our current political situation are the billionaires who bought Dementia Joe the election: America on her knees buying anti-radiation meds from Big Pharma. But don't worry, they only bought enough for themselves.
“Then, when Putin is tired of being America’s scapegoat, he invades Ukraine.”
Putin did not invade Ukraine because he was “tired of being America’s scapegoat”. He did it because he thinks he is a great historical figure who would being imperial glory to Russia.
Cite?
Don't forget gas prices.
Can you get a discount on gas if you buy in bulk? (Asking for Herr Misek)
Girl-bullying mystical bigots defeated Comstock's Orange Hitler. Sending apes with guns to hunt and threaten pregnant women on a rob-and-shoot blacks, latinos and hippies platform turned out to be a less-than-optimum reelection strategy. Women voters won 2 popular and 1 electoral vote elections to the Trumpanzees' one. Three-to-one outcomes rather speak for themselves.
The amount of deflection Putin can come up with is astonishing.
Hey dumb*ss.. UR the one trying to ...
"To conquer Ukraine and its people and threatening to use all the means at our disposal. This is not a bluff"...
Then again; this is what the USA (with Democrats) is flirting with. When one believes Gov-Guns creates human resources they're always trying to attack, conquer and rob MORE of their 'enslaved' land/people/workers. Communism and Socialism is theologies of criminals.
funny that everything (and I mean everything) that the leftist claimed would happen under Trump are actually happening under their puppet Biden.
If by "funny" you mean "entirely predictable". It's all projection with the Left, accuse your opponents of doing exactly what you would be doing in their shoes. Including claiming Trump was going to start a nuclear war to deflect from the election.
One might go as far as to call it projection by the leftists. They projected their wants as fears on Trump, so they could go do it themselves.
Reminds me of the sixties.
"They" said if I voted for Goldwater the US would be dragged into an Asian land war, there would be riots in the streets, and the economy would fall apart. I voted for Goldwater anyway, and damn if it didn't all come true.
Because we let it happen.
It is staggering.
You guys didn't read 'On Thermonuclear War' in high school?
I want nuclear war. Think of all the White Males that will kill.
There you go, always thinking of yourself. You don't even care about all the widows and orphans who will be hardest hit by the loss of white men.
We can cancel all the CRT classes and racial reparation checks after Putin vaporizes a few million poor, inner city kids, who are just as smart as white kids, right?
Only if they play the record player every night.
How about a nice game of chess?
Number of players equal to zero?
Nah, that’s LEFT + RIGHT
2020: Trump is going to start WW3!!
2022: We need to start WW3!!
When I was in the Army, we received a very basic set of instructions: spread your feet a comfortable distance apart, bend at the knees, and kiss your ass goodbye.
Please do so and then fuck off and die; make your family proud.
You are not known as Anal Vanneman for nothing!
Maybe you were in the French Army, but not the U.S. Army. The U.S. Military has manuals on NBC Survival.
Dummy!
The EMP from a nuclear exchange would eliminate cell phone coverage, and everyone under 30 would starve because they couldn't get Google to tell them where the food was.
But I am sure there is also a downside.
Tiktok. They use TikTok, not google. Boomer.
Amongst the most gruesome of apocalyptic novels, The Road by Cormack McCarthy is the most disturbing. He doesn't say what caused the massive destruction so it could have been Yellowstone Dome or whatever, it doesn't matter.
My cliff notes version: desperate people will devolve into more clever and violent chimpanzees who will eat you a limb at a time. In such a situation you want to be sufficiently armed and supplied. Avoid urban areas at all costs And do not under any circumstances run out of ammunition.
That book was the literary expression of the fear experienced by a man realizing that he had fathered a child way too late in life.
Many of his novels - e.g. Suttree are creative expressions of highly personalized experiences.
I guessed I was so grossed out by the human husbandry that I missed any metaphorical aspects.
Got me serious about reloading, at least.
"And do not under any circumstances run out of ammunition."
Or learn how to use a sling. Egg-sized stones are the ammo and they will never run out. Youtube has a lot of videos on various techniques, and with practice, it seems you could become surprisingly accurate. The 4th amendment, which guarantees your right to own, buy, sell and repair firearms, will no longer be in effect after a nuclear holocaust.
….. will no longer be in effect after a nuclear holocaust.
Neither will government.
Sure they will. They’ll all be in bunkers. You just have to hope the few soldiers who are down there with them, the ones who’s families got pulped due to their lack of credentials, decide to wipe every fucking surviving Politician out for doing this to us.
That is one purpose of having a Second Amendment. But the force-initiating collectivists who voted the buggers in when there were Libertarians on the ballot have none to blame but selves.
Except the actual historical evidence shows that people band together to help each other in emergencies. But that would make a boring movie.
Kinda sounds like The Walking Dead
And the Number One Lesson: Get a better damn vehicle for your shit than a grocery cart!
So, Reason is now sanguine about the prospect of nuclear war. Funny, I don’t remember this optimism about the prospect during recent GOP administrations. Maybe Brandon has offered them space in one our deeper mineshafts.
https://youtu.be/ybSzoLCCX-Y
They want to get on the list of who gets the anti radiation medication that was just purchased.
It’s because Reason hasn’t considered the effect nuclear war might have on traveling to states with unlimited abortion access.
Somebody get MAGA flipper boy a hankie and a box of wet wipes...
You deranged halfwit, if you claim to be a libertarian, and you're downplaying the consequences of nuclear war, the government killing millions, because the guy with the government in charge of telling you you'll be okay in a nuclear war told you so, you've lost track of what libertarianism is about.
The rhetoric about strategic nuclear war is pure political fear mongering on both sides. The tactical stuff is almost certainly going to happen probably early next year when Russia starts an offensive.
Cite?
In the mid 80's, when The Day After and Threads were released, I lived a mile or so from a Lockheed manufacturing plant. I was pretty sure if nukes were launched that I'd be at ground zero. That will keep you awake at night.
Threads was much more depressing than The Day After. It was a movie that took me a while to get over.
As a friend of mine used to say, when it comes to nukes, I want to either be real close or real far away.
I lived half an hour from Fairchild AFB, at the time a major SAC base with nukes (the B-52s would do low level flight training over our house frequently) and we knew we were fucked if they started flying.
Don't forge Dawn's Early Light on the surrender list. Red Dawn and Amerika never get mentioned much.
I'd better check the oil in the Landmaster, might have to drive back to Albany.
This is why I read Tucille. This is him at his best.
That said, I do want to build a bomb shelter. I think it would be a fun thing. But if it's not happening this year or next, so I request the powers that be hold off a bit.
At least a good bomb shelter wouldn't be a total waste. It can double as a decent tornado shelter.
Also makes a good set for a Twilight Zone episode or two
It can also have a big screen TV and a gamer system, as well as a microwave for Hot Pockets, The Food of the Gamer Gods! Turn your now bomb shelter into a WOW (World Of Warcraft) Bomb Shelter! 🙂
"That said, I do want to build a bomb shelter."
If it's a nuclear war, you will also need a radiation shelter, which fortunately would be even more fun to build.
I understand it involves a large amount of mylar or tin foil.
Tin foil has been difficult to get since the middle of the last century. Lots of aluminum foil is still available, but its price has doubled over the past year or so.
It Is a radiation shelter, Dummy! The thickness of the material is meant to shield from radiation! Go rickshaw into a mushroom cloud!
"It Is a radiation shelter, Dummy!"
Then everything will be fine. Let the fun begin.
In Puerto Rico and nearby you can buy a house with a "tormentera," which is not a bad start. Tornado shelters offer the best protection of anything easy to build and useful for other threats.
One point Kearny emphasized was, even at the height of Cold War tensions, a nuclear exchange was unlikely to go full Armageddon. Rather than waste warheads on cities, strategists would likely emphasize military targets.
No. When two nations go into total war, desperation will change that equation. It may start that way, but as we saw in WWII, it won't necessarily end that way. "Breaking the enemy's will to fight" is a thing.
Yeah, take a look at places like Dresden in 1945, or any number of Japanese cities that had the benefit of being fire bombed by LeMay's air force. When war becomes total, there aren't going to be any niceties about it.
And none of that even covers the "bombers were confused about their targets" situations... now apply that to a guided, intercontinental ballistic missile.
Whoopsy, sorry San Francisco, our bad!
On the flipside, what an opportunity to do billions of dollars of improvements to some of Americas most devastated urban areas.
Trillions. And the number bigger than trillion.
Every incentive skews to full on exchange once one goes in the air. Or once someone believes one is in the air. Or one is going to be in the air. South America and Africa might be able to bank on getting out of this. The rest of us are going to be turned into the Forbidden Zone.
covid: stay inside or die!
nukes: meh, couple weeks you'll be back @work
you guys are too easy.
Hey, it’s not as if nuclear war is a an existential threat, like climate change or income inequality.
But it might be racist? Let me check and get back to you on that.
suburban sprawl. minorities @ground zero hardest hit.
also obligatory Ned Flanders Bomb Sheltereenie scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJEOi_ELkVc
Our self appointed elites have decide nuclear war is the quickest route to world depopulation. They want to survive, they do not want you to survive.
Just ask Bill Gates!
I'm sure the Rev would agree, something or other about betters vs. clingers.
The American MIC and their NATO lapdogs are trying to put tactical nukes on Moscow's doorstep. Of course the Russian Federation is going to defend themselves against this naked aggression just as we did when the old Soviet Union tried to put nuclear missiles in Cuba.
Which was a response to the USA putting nukes in Turkey and sponsored the Bay of Pigs.
But that is totally different than Bush putting weapon systems in Poland and Obama trying to topple Syria.
You know who else had a name that sounded like Widhalm, was Secretary-General of the U.N., and hem-hawed and apple-polished about War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity?
What's funny is that many of the very people who are sure Putin is 'bluffing' are fighting tooth and nail to prevent Iran from acquiring the Bomb. Why would you assume that Iran would use it, and not Russia?
Rational vs Irrational
I've seen the argument made, that Iran is ruled by a theocracy that welcomes the end of days and are looking forward to the day when they can slay the Great Satan; therefore far greater threat. Russia just wants power and security and won't throw that away by entering into nuclear war unless absolutely necessary.
Like any country, Iran would want them as a deterrent, that’s all. And we don’t want them to have a deterrent, that’s all.
Not so. The Islamic Jihadis who run both Iran and Saudi Arabia are like the Necromancers...and unfortunately, The Little Bush Boy, Apology Tour Obama, Let's Make A Deal Trump, and Hoveround Biden have been our only Riddicks against this threat:
The Chronicles of Riddick (2004) Official Trailer in 4K
https://youtu.be/45p00cheyV0
There is a town named Irak in the Mystical Theocracy of Texas...
Ackshuyally, Putin, with advice and consent with his ideological muse Alexandr Dugin, wants a New Eurasian Empire and The Russian Orthodox Church's leader Patriarch Kirill thinks the invasion of Ukraine persuant to this Empire is blessed by God.
Also, Muslims in Russia have endorsed the invasion of Ukraine and Putin has said that Non-Muslims should respect the prophet Mohammed by not drawing his image. Iran has even sent drones to assist Putin as well.
So there are many common denominators between Putin and the Ayatollahs.
"Within two weeks after an attack the occupants of most shelters could safely stop using them, or could work outside the shelters for an increasing number of hours each day,"
14 days to lower the background radiation!
Don't forget to wear a comfortable cloth mask.
At what point do we turn into apes?
If you say you're an ape, then you are. It doesn't matter if you haven't transitioned yet.
Seems to me that it is realists who are panicky now. The better Ukraine is doing in the fight, the more land realists are eager to hand over to Russia. If Putin can really fuck things up, he might get the whole enchilada. 64d chess.
New Murphy's Law: "Realists" aren't.
It's only the Western press and some politicians who are panicking. Or at least trying to stampede their readership or electorate. Why, I have no idea.
Quite simple really.
For years Western politicians have shaken down the Ukrainians, telling them to pay up or face the Russian Bear.
Only now they are quite close to effectively vanquishing the Russian Bear, and having done so will no longer be at all beholden to the people who extorted them in the past.
No doubt they have the receipts and little doubt that they will be expecting some payback.
Cannot have that, so if it takes overhyped threats of nuclear war as an excuse to pull the rug out from under those uppity Ukes, who had the temerity to not play by the big guy's rules, then so be it.
You can survive a nuclear holocaust, but not Godzilla. It's all over. I vote republican so I'm going to heaven.
BTW, guys, do remember when "get things done with diplomacy, not wars" was all the rage? The libs were willing to negotiate with actual terrorists.
But no one wants to talk to Putin, for some weird reason! Boris Johnson reportedly blocked Zelensky from an April peace deal. Anytime anyone brings up any solution, they get shot down as a Putin stooge.
Oh, I get it now. Putin is Trump's pal. We can't let THAT guy win by making concessions to Putin, huh? No, we all have to risk nuclear war, prolonged poverty, and our weapons being depleted until Trump can be contained like Napoleon on a faraway island.
BTW, guys, do remember when “get things done with diplomacy, not wars” was all the rage? The libs were willing to negotiate with actual terrorists.
I remember people saying: "Better Red Than Dead" and "To make peace, you must make peace with your enemies" and yada, yada, but I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now with Revanchist Russia, Red China, and the entire Islamic Ummah.
Then and now, the words of Frederick Douglass still hold true: "Power concedes to nothing but a demand."
So, it's happening but it's not that bad?
I question what "surviving" a major nuclear exchange would look like: stock markets closed, foot shortages, starvation, nuclear winter, chaos.
Maybe if you go to the southern hemisphere, to avoid the fallout.
food shortages (assuming you still have your feet)
I think the nuclear winter concerns were generally overblown.
But the other stuff is still bad enough.
The danger of nuclear winter is that crop yields would fall. (Warmer weather is better for humanity, despite the climate change fears.) The worst year for humanity in recorded history was 536AD, due to volcanic winter from a major volcano going off. Famine and plague (and the Dark Ages) followed.
I thought that the whole idea had been largely discredited. The idea is that firestorms caused by nuclear bombings would inject a lot of soot and aerosols into the atmosphere. I suppose with a full scale thermonuclear war that could be big enough. But would have to be pretty damn big to approach the scale of effects from a major volcanic eruption.
I don't know. Let's not find out.
Fallout risks are overblown. Air burst are more likely because there is a curious interaction between the reflected wave from the ground and from the air burst that produces an irregular shock wave called the Mach Effect that maximizes damage by combining blast waves. See Glasstone, The Effects of Nuclear Weapons (1962), 111-15. Air bursts produce very little fallout; ground bursts (e.g., naval bases, ICBMs, airports) produce a lot. If you are downwind of those hard targets that need a ground burst, build a shelter and plan to stay in it for a few weeks. Otherwise, you can improvise a shelter that should be adequate for a couple weeks.
Most fallout is either short-lived and VERY dangerous or long-lived and more of a long-term problem. https://claytonecramer.blogspot.com/2022/08/planning-for-putins-nightmare.html
Excess risk of solid cancers in Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors 1958-98 is much lower than you might expect. Many of the survivors will die of natural causes, starvation, or Thunderdome, not cancer. https://claytonecramer.blogspot.com/2022/03/i-think-this-is-good-news-for-preppers.html
You'd be safe on the moon. Or Mars.
Funny thing about all the talk of "Nuclear Winter":
When The Manhattan Project was in the process of making the first Atomic Bomb, some scientists such as Teller and Fermi were initially worried that an uncontrolled fission reaction would produce enough energy to set the entire atmosphere on fire and destroy all life on Earth. This episode of Because Science shows the reasons why this simply wouldn't and didn't happen:
The Day We Almost Set The World On Fire
https://youtu.be/NFjVUSOnPzo
I've been meaning to issue a meal culpa for awhile now. This spring I insisted that in a war of attrition Russia was going to win and that Ukraine was doomed to lose. Now, it appears Russia is definitely losing. It now appears as if I was wrong. How much of this is due to our military aid is another question but the Russian military is also very, very inept. This has me more worried than if Russia was winning, it makes them unpredictable and desperate.
I've been surprised at how badly Russia seems to have handled this. I thought Putin was a bit more on the ball than he seems to be.
Of course I also don't believe anything I hear about the conflict, and I don't really claim to know what's going on. My only take on the whole mess continues to be that we should not be involved.
I look at maps. Yeah the media can play with facts but maps don't lie. And the maps say Russia is getting it handed to them right now. Kinda like the Japanese media trying to claim they were winning as each battle kept getting closer to the home islands.
Good take.
"...This has me more worried than if Russia was winning, it makes them unpredictable and desperate."
Yeah, Putin is looking like an idiot right about now, and he *has* the nuke codes.
Ukraine is winning. Zelenskyy said so.
The maps say so. The Russian front is contracting and the territory they control says so. Doesn't matter what some politicians or media says. Maps don't fucking lie.
A musical map. Eleven time zones - it's not even funny!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDmWYVdN8ug
(Negativland video)
This!
Maps don't lie, and logistics tell the truth.
Aside from the nuclear option, Russia will run out of arms and then be run out of Ukraine. The USSR may have fought like crazy, but it was US production that saved the day for the Allies.
While things are looking better for Ukraine and not good for Putin, it is people who make maps, so maps need to be judged the same way as any other information.
By the way, I don't recall you being bearish (pardon the pun) on Ukraine, so you'd have to quote yourself to refresh my memory.
In fact, I recall you giving some great military insights that could mean hope for Ukraine and I recall you holding your own against the usual Putineer propagandists.
Either way, don't sweat it about a bad call on the war. It is doubt that makes "the mouse that roars" so amazing!
Is a meal culpa an invitation to dinner? 😉
soldiermedic76 may have to be just one of many hosting that feast, he was not alone in his expectation of Russian success.
Any requests from those of us in the kitchen?
Rest assured, I, of course, was just joking about the misspelling of Mea Culpa as Meal Culpa. I would never invite myself to dinner. 🙂
Like too many Americans, I have a ready-reserve of food in my paunch that could outlast many short-term disasters and more to spare falling out of the cupboards and fridge.
If anything, we all need to send food and aid to the many innocents suffering and fleeing this war and genocide.
I live between DC, Fort Dietrich and Camp David. I’m toast. Hopefully instant vapor, and not weeks of barfing black stuff while my skin sloughs off.
Have you considered moving?
Oh, sure. But I’m already relatively overpaid for a retail job due to being at the same place for 13 years. And I bought a house about 3 years ago and still owe a bank for 27 years. And I’d probably just be moving into fall out zone if it all happened, anyway. Dunno.
I’m actually slightly more worried about Maryland going from a purpledy RHINO to a straight up progressive governor, than I am about apocalypse. Which is weird, I know.
I'd put my money on the progie over the nukes.
You and me too brother.
The thing is to buy an absurdly expensive house. Maybe you won't have to pay it off. Hallelujah!
Apocanomics!
Nuclear war will never come to the USA. By the time the environmental impact paperwork is completed, filed, and approved cooler heads will have prevailed.
Just don’t nuke Chico, California. They will SUE your ass!!
>Unsurvivable ‘nuclear winter’ is a discredited theory
Sez you, and the Big Nuke cartel for which you appear to be shilling. The latest research suggests otherwise:
https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/xi08000i.html
Nasa is China's sockpuppet for Global Warmunism documendacities. See Realclimatescience dotcom.
In case of nuclear war, all I want to know is a good, painless way to off myself.
I'm thinking now about a sweet little cabin that was for sale a while back: recently updated and insulated log construction, good metal roof, 600 sq ft, generator, good well, nice chunk of land, wonderful secluded site. The only drawback was that it is less than 2 miles from a US Navy's very low frequency antenna, a likely nuclear target in any next shooting war.
To answer your question, assuming time to get up there, the plan was to have a bottle of 50 year old port, a few fine cigars, a nice lawn chair and blanket (in case it's winter), and a nice bone-in leg of lamb for the dog, and go out and enjoy the show.
Carbon monoxide is the best way to go painlessly, and can be easily generated by burning charcoal. Nitrogen asphyxiation is good, too, if you have time to get a tank.
Back to the subject at hand. There are lots of buildings not built as fallout shelters that give you a fighting chance.
https://claytonecramer.blogspot.com/2022/03/an-expedient-shelter-that-you-have-not.html
If two of the most powerful former Allied nations destroy themselves what will happen with the former Axis nations?
Ackshuyally, The Soviet Union was just a co-combatant, not an Ally. They gained more from their relationship with the U.S. than the U.S. from them.
Do we have to get hysterical EVERY SINGLE TIME World War III happens?? Remember last time the nukes went a-flying? Why, The Day After I spent the whole afternoon On The Beach, and I didn’t even get that sick! (Kinda felt like the coof actually)
And I had some purple berries for six or seven weeks and didn't get sick once. Prolly keep us both alive as long as we take "Wooden Ships."
At The Golem Press Petr Beckmann printed up thousands of copies of Cresson Kearny’s “Nuclear War Survival Skills.” We mailed out heavy boxes of these books, insured, to many points for use by the likes of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and The American Civil Defense Association. Some of the heavy boxes, nearly three feet wide, DISAPPEARED enroute as communist anarchist infiltrators wormed their way into the Libertarian Party and federal monopolies. Of course we mailed out replacements—and the Libertarian Defense Caucus enlisted volunteers and began publishing newsletters. (https://bit.ly/3Vgw5V6)
"Putin Have You Panicked?"
Nope. It's droolin' Joe.
No, I'm not going to prepare to survive a nuclear war. If Putin is crazy enough to launch a first strike there's nothing whatever I or anyone else can do about it. We have successfully relied on Mutually Assured Destruction for many decades now, but if Putin doesn't care whether his own country is destroyed it won't work. Meanwhile his excuses for trying to switch the blame to the west for his failing invasion of Ukraine sound increasingly pathetic.
All of the little woke, green progressives who have been panicking for a decade or more about the "existential threat" posed by climate change are now getting an education in what a real existential threat looks like.
Schedenfreude or old age, take your pick, but I'm not above savoring the fact that some of these kids (and their underdeveloped parents) may have some thinking to do about what merits concern vs what merits getting worked up about.
Don't worry - 'we'll be water vapor." This is what I told my children who are now in their 50's when asked those 'educational' questions prior to the movie - The Day After. We have faced this for more than 70 years. As Benjamin Franklin said - "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Maybe all the 'school children' who've learned nothing in math over the last several months should have to go through the questionnaire and then watch the movie again?