No Senate Vote on Gay Marriage Until After Midterms
A genuine surprise: Politicians prioritize a bill’s possible success over partisan campaign signaling.

The Senate will not be voting this month on whether to legislatively enshrine federal same-sex marriage recognition into law. Instead, supporters of the bill are pushing the vote until after the midterms, ostensibly in the hopes it will bring more Republicans on board.
Just about a week ago, Senate sponsors of the Respect for Marriage Act said they thought they'd be able to get the 10 Republican votes necessary on board if they made some amendments to the bill in the name of protecting religious freedom. But Thursday afternoon, sponsors of the bill announced they're going to wait.
The Respect for Marriage Act passed the House in July, 267–157. The bill got 47 yes votes from Republicans. In the Senate, the bill needs 10 Republicans to support it to avoid a filibuster (assuming that all Democrats support it). Sen. Susan Collins (R–Maine) is one of the sponsors and had been working with Sens. Rob Portman (R–Ohio) and Thom Tillis (R–N.C.) to get those 10 votes by attempting to appeal to moderate Republicans like Mitt Romney (R–Utah).
But with the election so close, The Washington Post notes, some Republicans may be worried about voter responses. It's not likely to cause conservatives to switch votes to Democrats, but it could possibly cause some not to turn out at all. Portman, who is retiring after this year, said it will take "a lot of political sting out of it" if the vote happens in the post-midterm lame duck election.
The Respect for Marriage Act is intended to serve as a backstop protecting same-sex marriage should the Supreme Court decide to revisit and reverse Obergefell v. Hodges, the 2015 ruling that obligated the federal government and all states to legally recognize these relationships. The Respect for Marriage Act would require the federal government to recognize same-sex marriages in states where it was permitted. And while it doesn't require any individual states to permit and license same-sex marriages within its own borders, it does require states to recognize marriages legally performed in other states.
There is absolutely no chance that the Supreme Court will reverse Obergefell in the next year, if ever, but it's nevertheless preferable for a democratic republic like the United States to put this policy into place via a law voted on by Congress and signed by the president rather than leaving it up to the judiciary. The recent reversal of Roe v. Wade (1973) has revived interest in "court proofing" legal recognition.
While the decision to delay the vote is obviously political, this is a situation where politicians are actually trying to get the law passed rather than win elections. For that reason alone, the delay should be appreciated. Particularly on LGBT issues, there is a number of examples where laws are deliberately crafted not to be passed but to serve as wedge issues to divide voters.
The Equality Act, for example, is often sold as a bill that would enshrine federal anti-discrimination protections for LGBT people. But the bill is extremely broad, dramatically increasing what counts as a public accommodation under federal law and specifically forbidding people from using religious freedom against accusations of discrimination. It is seemingly designed to push Republicans away (which is exactly what happened last year) when a more compromising bill could get passed. But then Democrats and Republicans wouldn't be able to campaign on these culture war differences.
The decision to delay a vote here actually puts the success of a bill that matters to LGBT people ahead of political affiliation. Anybody disappointed that this bill will not be used as a campaign point should perhaps take a step back and stop trying to yank LGBT citizens around.
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Congress is trying to pass a law? Who the hell told them they had the authority to pass laws? It's the President's prerogative to issue executive orders if he thinks laws are needed.
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President? Pshaw. It's up to some unelected bureaucrat.
The recent reversal of Roe v. Wade (1973) has revived interest in "court proofing" legal recognition.
There's no chance of that happening as long as Madison stands. The court's power of judicial review guarantees that only constitutional amendments matter.
if they were that interested in court-proofing them, why didn't they pass legislation instead of letting it go through the courts in the first place?
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Which is something Congress and the Senate are fully aware of, which puts this firmly in the 'pure stunt' category of legislation.
Something I'd note they seemed to actually understand when writing about Rubio, which gives them a remarkably clear slant as of late.
I wonder what a libertarian might say on this matter.
I would guess that it's along the lines of "Why is the state involved in marriage in the first place?" Along with some comments about how it could be covered under contract law and civil unions can be between any number of consenting adults, etc.
But... nah. Not progressive enough a topic.
Treat marriage like any other contract and not a complex mishmash of arbitrarily applied common law and legislation that varies wildly from state to state? Can't you for just one second stop and think about what that would do to the divorce lawyers? Think of the divorce lawyers!
A libertarian might even point out that it was 'democracy' keeping gay marriage illegal -- yet Joe Biden claims to be defending democracy because the MAGA extremists might outlaw gay marriage, democratically.
They may, for the purpose of pointing out what a lying hypocrite Biden is. But from a strictly libertarian policy position, it’s as simple as what SIC said.
Yeah, I don't think democracy dictating that people can or cannot engage in a contractual relationship that doesn't affect others one iota is a valid, libertarian, use of democracy. That's what marriage is, so why should you need Federal approval to do it?
It's close to a 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner situation.
And, I guess I'm more to the point of the liberal aspect of libertarianism. I just don't care what you do, who you shack up with, who you decide to share your assets with. Buy a house together? Sure. Want to bequeath your estate a certain way? Sure. Want to form a coven with group ownership of the cauldron and all of the newts' eyes? Whatever. Not my business. Not your business, either, I can share my real property and other assets with a life partner, or just keep them in my name and write a will the gives them all to my cats, it doesn't affect you at all.
Marriage in the form that US law deals with still seems to be a very religious based thing to me, even if it is no longer seen as religious. In the days of the nuclear family it was mom, dad, 2.2 kids, etc. Or maybe farther back from traditions of family names and/or castes and passing down the royal grant to the first born...
Whatever. You're definitely looking at a very old, traditional, arrangement, and our law was codified to that, and has metastasized from there. Every ugly entanglement and poltiical battle revolving around marriage comes from somehow thinking that THIS contract is anything different than any other contract.
Personally, I think a traditional nuclear structure works and that I was lucky to have two parents who stuck together. But, if you let go of the notion of marriage in terms of the nuclear family of old, why not let it go completely?
Religious folks can still marry in accordance with their church, and can codify their arrangement in a contract. Not religious can cohabitate without discrimination by just making an agreement. People who want to share assets but not have children get the same treatment as a man and woman who, in theory, do things like joint taxes based on the old-school ideal of the nuclear family.
But, maybe that's just me. Since I'm not raising children, I don't see the benefits of marriage one iota. Or, as Bill Burr once said, who on earth ever said "Man, I love you. We really love each other. Let's get the government involved."
is not what marriage is. Whether a person is married, and to whom, has many legal effects on their relationships to others — including others who may have had no choice in whether to deal with the married person.
"a contractual relationship that doesn't affect others one iota"
The next person you catch trying to burgle you or stick you up, find out whether they grew up in a household with Mom married to Dad, or whether they were raised in a "nontraditional" family.
Also, Earth to retard: The Dems pulled the bill because they expect to lose. It'll be delayed until the next congress is sworn in so they can point to mean old GOP. How you can say that your tribe isn't being used as pawns is equal parts funny and retarded.
It's arguably even more transparent than that. They know that by shelving it, the failure to pass could be hung around their necks so they're paying mouthpieces like Schackford to pretend, "What? Oh! Pffbbbt! No, we aren't failing to deliver on our campaign signals and giving up the position that locks in a minority voting block! We're just, uh, shelving it until it has a better chance of passing."
The real respect for marriage act would take it entirely out of government hands, both federal and state, then make all laws ignore marriage. Like government welfare, pensions, taxes. Leave the private sector to the private sector.
That because the Republican Party is the party of disgusting bigots.
Tis is no problem that replacement is not already solving, thank goodness.
Carry on, clingers . . . so far as your betters permit.
so far as your betters permit.
Kill and contain, eh brown shirt?
Tis is no problem that replacement is not already solving, thank goodness.
Wait . . . I thought that was a conspiracy theory.
You know what people of the mixed-race future won't say? "Gee, I wish we looked like Trump supporters."
So Monkeypox will just rampage throughout the land, unchecked. You know they're discovering NERVE damage from monkeypox? Justice delayed is justice denied.
Continuing to hear the CDC bleat about an easily avoidable malady is certainly damaging to my nerves.
Kill all the…monkeys!
You a year ago: If I can't spread a disease unchecked, it's tyranny!
The Federal government lacks the authority to legislate on marriage. This bill was just as unconstitutional as DOMA was.
"moderate Republicans"
So we've moved the fabled Overton Window so that fundamentally restructuring marriage - even more radically than it's been restructured already - is the "moderate" position?
How was your marriage restructured?
Um--hey guys, I believe the Supreme Court just held this is NOT a matter for the feds but for the states.....
SCOTUS won't have to overturn Obergefell if it keeps expanding religious liberty to include various ways to inflict harm on others.
As long as you justify your crime by appealing to an imaginary friend in the sky, you are exempt from the law. Just as the Enlightenment-era framers intended.
"Politicians prioritize a bill’s possible success over partisan campaign signaling."
Isn't waiting until the election has passed more a matter of depriving the voters of any ability retaliate at the polls, if they don't LIKE this bill?
I suppose it's the same thing, if you're tacitly assuming the bill is unpopular. So, what you're really doing is celebrating that they've decided to screw over their constituents and subvert democracy...
Perhaps we should just get rid of lame duck sessions, or require anything passed during them to require a super majority, and swiftly expire if not reenacted shortly before an election?
It's a vacuous shitbag statement all the way around. If we were talking about a real, no-shit humanitarian issue, waiting until after the midterms would be disgusting. We can wait until after the midterms to free the slaves? We can wait until after the midterms to stop interning the Japanese? So, in that regard, Scott's pretty much admitting that his position isn't some unconscionable and unconstitutional human rights issue that decency and morality demands be resolved *now*.
So, since we're not talking about something that's generally considered a broad universal good, the questions becomes, "Will it even come up again, let alone pass, and who's going to get credit/blame?"
Scott, or whatever bot is writing for him, has probably already got the permutations of the articles written, ranked, and annotated in order of increasing pro-Dem/anti-GOP outcome (zero shits given about the rights or liberty of anyone involved):
-GOP wins, doesn't bring bill back up
-GOP wins, bring bill back up, fails to pass
-GOP wins, brings bill back up, passes
-Dems win, don't bring bill back up
-Dems win, bring bill back up, fails to pass
-Dems win, bring bill back up, passes
A genuine surprise: Politicians prioritize a bill’s possible success over partisan campaign signaling.
Not a genuine surprise: Scott Shackford cheers both more laws and virtue signalling.