Review: After Cult Leader Was Convicted, His Compound Was Raided by Child Protective Services
The Netflix docu-thriller Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey shows the downfall of Warren Jeffs and the unjustified taking of 450 children inside his religious community.

Even though Warren Jeffs resigned as president of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS), his followers continue to worship him as their prophet. Jeffs is currently serving a life sentence for sexually assaulting minors—at the time of his arrest in 2006, he had more than 70 wives and nearly a third of them were under the age of 17. A handful of Jeffs' followers were also charged with sexual assault.
This religious community—the subject of Netflix's latest true-crime docu-thriller, Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey—wasn't finished with conflict after Jeffs and others were removed from the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas. Child Protective Services (CPS) returned to rip more than 450 children from their mothers on the compound. CPS claimed that because their religion represented a "pervasive belief system," it was too dangerous to leave any children in the community. In horrifying raw footage from the raid, the children (including newborns) are seen crowding on buses and screaming for their parents. The Texas Supreme Court later found that the raid was not justified because CPS failed to prove the children were in immediate danger.
When faced with a choice between family and church, many FLDS members continue to choose the latter. This devotion has led to many broken families where the husband is exiled while his wife and children—who think obedience is their only choice—stay behind, or in the worst-case scenario, are reassigned to new husbands.
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Women are chattel... Those who resist the freedom for brain-washing men to gather large harems, and make the rest of us pay for their LARGE collections of baby-making machines and babies... Those of us who resist turning humans into harem-fighting beasts like elephant seals... Why, we are FASCISTS!!!
Monopolies (or near-monopolies) on the harems of women leads to constant fighting, elephant-seal-style. Let’s all fight over our harems! Every reproducing male will know all about how to grab the women, and no one will know how to be a good father any more! It’s not the direction towards which I’d like to see humans evolve towards, biologically, culturally, or otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_boys_(Mormon_fundamentalism) and especially https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/14/usa.julianborger , concerning fundamentalist, polygamous Mormons discarding their young men, are good links to explore, to illustrate my just-above-made point.
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Examples (of monopolizing the women) abound. David Koresh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh and Mormon fundamentalists and “blood atonement” and Ervil LeBaron and his harem, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron. I’m sure that we could find more.
https://www.religionnewsblog.com/9084/bleeding-the-beast
Fundy Mormons are doing us a FAVOR, they say, by "bleeding the beast", meaning, having shit-tons of babies, and sucking down our welfare dollars!!!
I'd have to think some more about what a proper "fix" here is, but, if a man has had more than (??? maybe 5 or so ???) children, by more than 1 woman, and 1 or more child is drawing welfare, mandatory vasectomy might be a DAMNED fine idea! (Eliminating welfare would help as well, but GOOD LUCK getting THAT done!)
Else we're looking at turning humans into elephant seals!
Difficult situation for anyone trying to decide what to do. He was ceremoniously screwing 12 year olds and with the knowledge of at least some of the faithful. The sheep like culture was totally ingrained and bordering on zombie-life.
A minor attracted person is an orientation, you know.
" . . . nearly a third of them were under the age of 17."
TX Code Section §2.102 §2.101, 2.103
Minimum Legal Age With Parental Consent Male: 14; Female: 14; (consent must be given during 30 day period immediately preceding the date of application for license)
Just doing the research Reason does not do.
Is it possible Natalie has an agenda?
This is true, but it still by itself, would not invalidate charges and convictions for sexual assault
Also, if the Age Of Consent is below the age for a Driver's License or the age to meke legally binding contracts, doesn't this put the younger spouse at the mercy of any spouse that is of legal age to drive and make contracts? A nd with a distant, isolated, hot desert place like the FLDS, wouldn't that put the Teenagers at the mercy of Jeffs & Henchdogs?
He and his followers were engaged in obscenity with children 13 and younger. Then they couched it in religious excuses. They were presenting an immediate danger to every child.
The court was wrong. They’re perverts.
This was a situation in which government agents acted correctly to save souls and innocence, in spite of the OTHER government agents who’d later repudiate them.
he had more than 70 wives
That poor bastard.
Look, whatever this injustice is, it's certainly an improvement on the Clinton administration burning them to death on Janet Reno's orders.
The Netflix docu-thriller Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey shows the downfall of Warren Jeffs and the unjustified taking of 450 children inside his religious community.
Excuse me, but by the admission of Natalie Dowzicky, Warren Jeffs was convicted of sexually assaulting minors! In what fucking Universe is it an "unjust taking" to keep 450 children away from Warren Jeffs and his equally creepy minions???
Yes, claims of child abuse and neglect nèed to be handled by officials bound by rules of evidence and due process, but that wasn't the complaint Dowzicky gave!
Where the fuck does Reason get these horrible people to write for them???
And why isn't this Comment section filled to the brim with all the assholes who accuse everyone who is LGBTQ+ or who even disagrees with them of being "groomers"??? Warren Jeffs is a real Goddamn groomer and yet there's no one to be found condemning him!!!
Jesus Fucking Christ on a pogo stick! Has everyone gone legally insane???
Warren Jeffs is a WHITE MALE STRAIGHT groomer, so that makes it all OK! I bet he belongs to "Team R" ass well, so triple-diple OK then, let's say!!!
This “straight” groomer raped his nephew
I think Nancy and I watched different documentaries. The one I saw indicated that the premise for the raid by CPS was the discovery during an investigation of an alleged sexual assault case (which later turned to be false) that uncovered anonymous student writings in middle and elementary classrooms of marriage between said underage students and grown men. Hardly 'unjustified'.
That being said, CPS completely botched it up along with any actual chance of identifying the victims and getting them to safety and the FLDS church was masterful in it's PR blitz.
Natalie not Nancy
Is being in teh custody of the state really going to be a better situation?
If Warren Jeffs & Henchdogs had never sexually abused children, the question would never arise.
Unbrainwashed family members or guardians, of course, would be best for the children's custody.
If the members of that church weren't being held captive, and they prefer obeying the church to obeying the law, they should be left free to do that. This does not include young children but it does include those over a reasonable age of consent (16 is the AoC in most of the US).
Ah, but you and I don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey and religion shouldn't either. And there is no Uniform Federal Age Of Consent, so that would be determined by their State jurisdiction.
Where is MY "age of consent" after which I reach "consenting age", and am allowed to NOT consent to PAYING for the welfare of all these endless babies of the harems of the "Big Guys"? Answer: I HAVE no consent power allowed to me at ALL, for this! And to me, that is a BIG problem! JUST SAY NO to harems at public expense!
https://www.religionnewsblog.com/9084/bleeding-the-beast
Fundy Mormons are doing us a FAVOR, they say, by "bleeding the beast", meaning, having shit-tons of babies, and sucking down our welfare dollars!!!
Funny. Mainstream LDSers supposedly encourage their members to stockpile a year's supply of everything they need and the LDS Church is supposed to have an alternate parallel welfare system for members.
'Guess Jeffs' bunch doesn't practice that.
So, this September of National Preparedness Month, just look at Warren Jeffs and the FLDS and don't be this guy!