Republicans Supported Abortion Bans for Decades. Now They've Gone Silent.
Some candidates, like Arizona's Blake Masters, have quietly removed abortion restriction initiatives from their campaign websites.

When the Supreme Court decided Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization in June, overturning the right to abortion guaranteed by Roe v. Wade (1973) for nearly five decades, it came as little surprise: A draft copy of the majority opinion was leaked nearly two months earlier.
But Republicans have agitated for the end of Roe for generations. Ronald Reagan, the first Republican elected president after the case was decided, was the favored candidate of abortion opponents based on his support for a constitutional ban.
This remained the Republican platform for decades, even as public support for abortion with either few or no restrictions remained the majority position. Republicans appointed judges and Supreme Court justices based on the nominee's likelihood to look askance at Roe. Now that the goal has been achieved, some Republicans seem to be expressing buyer's remorse.
Blake Masters is the Republican Senate candidate in Arizona. Like Ohio's J.D. Vance, Masters is a venture capitalist and an acolyte and former employee of Peter Thiel, who has given millions to each man's campaign. Despite a longstanding reputation as a Silicon Valley libertarian, Thiel pivoted in recent years toward "national conservatism," using state power to achieve his ideological ends.
A recent Politico profile characterized Masters as "king of the trolls," combative and macho-posturing, dedicated to upsetting "the libs." He supports a national ban on abortion, a practice he referred to as "demonic" and akin to "religious sacrifice."
But last week, Masters tried to pivot to a position more aligned with mainstream polling. Masters released an ad saying that his opponent, Sen. Mark Kelly (D–Ariz.), supported "the most extreme abortion laws in the world," while Masters only opposed "very late-term and partial-birth abortion." At the same time, Masters scrubbed restrictionist abortion proposals from his campaign website. CNN reported that another Republican, Michigan congressional candidate Tom Barrett, also removed language from his website that favored abortion restrictions with "no exceptions."
And this week, the Los Angeles Times reported that three House Republicans from California had gone silent on the issue since the Dobbs decision in June, despite all having previously co-sponsored the Life at Conception Act, a nationwide abortion ban "including the moment of fertilization, cloning, or other moment at which an individual member of the human species comes into being."
Notably, public opinion has not changed much in the five decades since Roe: Around three-quarters of Americans consistently support some level of abortion access. It has also long been official Republican policy to oppose the practice and support a ban.
But since the Dobbs decision effectively accomplished the first half of their goal, political trends have not broken in Republicans' direction. Earlier this month, deep-red Kansas voted overwhelmingly against banning abortion in the state's Constitution. While traditionally the president's party fares poorly in midterm elections, Democrats have outperformed the historical trends in the special elections held since the Dobbs decision.
Perhaps Republicans are simply lying to get elected. Some may have actually had a change of heart. Either way, it is encouraging that politicians are adapting to the notion that on at least one issue, by and large, Americans simply wish to be left alone to make their own decisions.
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Going silent is not good enough.
To get my vote, a candidate must explicitly endorse legal access to abortion care for any reason until the 9th month of pregnancy ends and the umbilical cord has been cut. Any other policy is literally The Handmaid's Tale.
#AbortionAboveAll
To hell with you and your extremist pro-life views. Abortion should be legal and federally-funded up to the 57th trimester.
In Canada the legalized it for 300 trimesters, and are actively pushing it for everything from acute pain to minor hearing loss
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Republicans opposed RvW to get votes. Now that they got their way they don't know what to do.
Wile E. Coyote caught the Road Runner.
Wile E. Coyote caught the Road Runner... And is now butt-fucking the Road Runner!!! In pubic, for all to see, no less!!! Butt... DEMANDING his privacy!!! Get those cameras OFF of me as I butt-fuck said Road Runner, ye PERVERTED paparazzies!!!!
(I for one hope that Wile E. Coyote catches the "bird flu" and keels over dead!!! I, for one, for SURE, also flip the bird to Wile E. Coyote!!!
Full disclosure: In a past lifetime, I was a Road Runner for 2 years!
Really now!)
It's almost like campaign managers can read surveys and polling data, or something.
But last week, Masters tried to pivot to a position more aligned with mainstream polling.
Would this be the mainstream polling that Reason has nervously whistled past like so much graveyard the last many years? That mainstream polling that shows that 75% of Americans favor restrictions on abortion?
No the polling that says R's ain't gonna get elected if they start believing some spin from some Internet nutjob instead of their voters (who include actual women unlike the commentariat)..
Both complete lack of restriction and complete prohibition are minority positions in both parties. Politicians get jammed up because there are a lot of "single issue" voters on both sides of the question.
Not to mention that there's no real way to settle the issue conclusively since it mostly hinges on a completely subjective belief (when human "life" begins), but which many of the most "hard core" believers on both sides may actually see as an objective truth, despite the lack of any empirical way to prove it conclusively.
Do you even read Reason magazine? Do you even read, bro?
Some restrictions yes. His previous policy said total ban which is only supported by about 20 percent of Americans. He was toast if he kept saying that publicly and he knew it. That's why he quietly tried to take it off of his website.
Freedom lovers like Blake should drop the pussy bullshit and get 1488 tattooed on his scrawny neck.
If "libertarians are dickless losers", then what does that make you, here, at the comment section of a supposedly libertarian magazine?
To jizz all over the cowardice of libertarians.
Virtually and anonymously.
Safety first!
Is Blake ill, why does he look so drawn?
Is he letting Peter drink his precious bodily fluids again?
Loved the hopeless pandering to Star Wars fans in the last vid.
Real big brain shit. Gotta save that high IQ for future generations of the master race, no doubt.
"This remained the Republican platform for decades, even as public support for abortion with either few or no restrictions remained the majority position." Uhm that isn't what the polls actually show. Most support legal abortion but also favor restrictions on second and especially third trimester abortions. You lied in your third paragraph.
Did you read past the first graphic? Because in the third, the largest percentage agreed abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, only 35% said legal under all circumstances. The first graphic represented a question limited to two options while the third offered four options. Thus the third graphic is the more accurate for capturing people's sentiments rather than the first graphic. Fuck, this is pretty simple shit, Lancaster. Or do you always cherry pick data to support your position, you dishonest fuck?
This has been the new narrative. Remember the ussc case was over regulations at 20 weeks.
"No abortions in the third trimester" is just ONE restriction, which is within "few restrictions," so it's technically correct. Which is the best kind of correct!
And Dobbs did nothing to address that.
Which happens to be exactly what Roe permitted and what existed. That is transparently NOT what R's supported during their multigenerational push to overturn Roe and change the status quo
Which is it? Are Republicans shackle women to the kitchen counter like in The Handmaids Tale or not?
They want to, but it's not an election winner. All Republicans have gone silent on abortion. 100% of them.
Three Senators and a candidate from blue states have gone silent on abortion... bipartisanship at work!
Sorry,
SenatorsRepresentatives.It is almost as if deciding issues via the democratic process rather than by judicial edict forces people to compromise or something. Who knew? I think the story here is that the political process is going to work as it should and come up with abortion laws that the majority of people can live with and that overturning Roe is going to be a good thing. But don't bother with the truth reason. Just make it a "Republicans pounce" story or whatever.
Yeah, maybe then we'll have abortions available with certain limits as the fetus develops and with exceptions for the health of the mother.
Wait .......
Yeah, maybe then we'll have abortions available with certain limits as the fetus develops and with exceptions for the health of the mother.
Wait .......isn't that what the SC just threw out?
Wait .......isn't that what the SC just threw out?
Nope. They threw out the FedGov's opinion on the matter.
The Supreme Court is the Federal Government legislative branch...
Still trying to spread B.S. propaganda and indoctrination I see...
You just as well say, "The U.S. Constitution doesn't exist because it's 'federal'."
is *NOT*
The final decision in every state is going to resemble RvW in some ways. However, it will be decided based on the will of the people, not judicial fiat based on exceedingly flimsy judgement.
I've said many times that RvW was good policy, but it was very bad law. There is no getting around the fact that the constitution doesn't say that. No reasonable person can read the constitution, be asked whether it mandated legal abortion and come to the conclusions that RvW did because it's an unstated right based off another unstated right.
When people feel that their voices are heard, they will be far more likely to accept the final decision.
Your too optimistic Ben and in the mean time real people will suffer the tyranny of their Governor and state legislature imposing their religion and philosophy on one of the most important, personal, and impactful decisions a human can make. Some of the red states are going in the opposite direction you predict and the only hope is they get voted out of office, but that takes years.
The constitution does not grant any government the right to make this decision and in fact "quickening" was the beginning of any laws going back to before the revolution. The Catholics made it up as they went along on the Robb ruling and hopefully the GOP - who appointed them all - will pay the price. Fucking creeps - get out of the room - you're not needed. Go take care of your own family.
""The constitution does not grant any government the right to make this decision""
Has that ever been an issue for you before?
However, it will be decided based on [WE] mobs, not the U.S. Constitution...
Because apparently in the 21st Century the Constitution gets ZERO respect by traitors of the USA.
Instead [WE] Power-Mad freak-jobs will call it just "flimsy judgement".
LOL you really are clueless.
No.
What SCOTUS threw out was an unconstitutional, absurd ruling.
Yeah; It's absurd to think people have a right to their PERSONAL life or themselves!!!! /s UR so FULL of SH*T...
Nope. They threw out the forbidding of any real limitations in the first place federally and allowed states to make that call.
And again; you B.S. lying to save face clowns...
Upholding the U.S. Constitution isn't 'federal' legislation...
Any B.S. at all to cancel the USA for [WE] mob dictation.
"Republicans pounce"
Republicans *stop* pouncing!
Yeah, this is a "Republicans *didn't* pounce" article. The staff here think it's news even when Republicans don't do the things they hate Republicans for doing. If the intent is to highlight political hypocrisy, okay, but this article seems like another excuse to air the dishonest take that the "libertarian" (here, progressive) position on abortion is hugely popular and totally mainstream when it isn't at all.
DICTATING other people's personal life is soooooo popular to Republicans.....
I wouldn't consider that anything to be proud of..
[WE] mobs RULE! /s
Republicans Supported Abortion Bans for Decades. Now They've Gone Silent.
Reason pounces!
Seriously,
Reason Supported Free Speech And Opposed The FBI for Decades. Now They've Gone Silent.
Democrats Opposed War for Decades. Now They Cheer Liz Cheney, John Bolton, and The Ukraine.
Dems supported lockdowns and have now gone silent.
Democrats pretended to oppose war for decades, but now they openly advocate for endless war. Only around 20% of Democrats supported drone strikes when Bush was in office. Under Obama, the number of Democrats who supported drone strikes was around 70%. As always, it's not what the policy is so much as whether it's *their* policy.
lol.. Isn't that the truth... Endless complaints about Trumps spending all the while Obama spent 3x as much and Biden is working on 10x as much... Yet not a peep about insane spending by the [WE] leftard-mob...
Course a party that bases it's entire platform on [WE] National Socialists (i.e. Nazi's) that controls Gov-Guns is bound to be nothing but a color-gang of GUN suppression.
Notably, public opinion has not changed much in the five decades since Roe: Around three-quarters of Americans consistently support some level of abortion access
Or, you could reframe the same information and say that the vast majority of Americans consistently support at least SOME restrictions on abortion. When you're being mendacious and taking two distinct responses and suggesting they mean the same thing, you're not really giving an accurate picture.
the problem republicans face is that the "some" restrictions on abortion that people supported was pretty much exactly the same restrictions that were allowed under roe.....
overturning roe did nothing to eliminate the more permissive abortion policies of some states, but allowed other states to impose restrictions that are far beyond the "some" restrictions that most people want. this development did nothing to help the anti-abortion crowd for those places where restrictions were less than what most people want, and made it a big issue in those places where republicans want to restrict abortion beyond what most Americans want. the republican base wants abortion restrictions that the majority of Americans do not support.
the position that would play best with the majority of Americans would be to codify the standards that we had under roe.... and the GOP has a hard time pivoting to that position.
They clearly were not allowed as a lawsuit went to the SCOTUS for a 15 week limit.
"Americans consistently support at least SOME restrictions on abortion"
Which is were this nation was with Roe v Wade.
Power-Mad freak-jobs had to find a way to DICTATE their religion onto others and use Gov-Guns to FORCE them to reproduce instead.
Seems many are still absent minded when current events are the topic.
Cpuld it be most pro-life politicians were just virtue signaling?
Politicians? Virtue signaling?
Yes, obvious lies. Virtuous politician is an oxymoron.
Or perhaps just feared the government making sweeping decisions for them but haven't yet figured out how to change locally. But pro abortion murder enthusiasts can't see anything but their own narrative.
Let Individual Rights be [WE] mob dictated by "local" mobs! /s
"But pro abortion murder enthusiasts"
Tell me you're a loon without telling me.
Perhaps Republicans are simply lying to get elected. Some may have actually had a change of heart. Either way, it is encouraging that politicians are adapting to the notion that on at least one issue, by and large, Americans simply wish to be left alone to make their own decisions.
I'm not going to get after you too hard here, Joe Lancaster, but I wonder if you might have picked up the phone and reached out to the campaign and, you know, asked them why it was removed from the website.
I know sometimes journalism has an amazing incuriousness... like when BLM removed "destruction of the nuclear family" from their website, no one in the media seemed to really care.
So clearly, you noticed, you cared, give his office a call and say, "Hey, I noticed..." and see what the response is.
No no, wild speculation is better journalism than actually trying to get information and facts.
Why bother working to scoop the internet when you can just ride its coattails?
LOL but weren't you just telling us for the last few months that the evil Republicans just couldn't wait until abortion was outlawed? Hard to keep up with the fable you're spinning.
The granted POWER will sit on the back burner until a new [WE] Power-Mad mob forms to ensure MORE personal dictation... The story never ends; and it's why this nation isn't a USA anymore but instead a Nazi-Regime nation.
SC grants POWER to force children to attend school. Legislature takes that as the ability to setup Commie-Education. Legislature takes that as the ability to STEAL for Commie-Education. Legislature takes that as the ability to censor (qualify) education. etc, etc, etc, etc.....
That is a repeating curse of UNLIMITED governments and is EXACTLY why the USA must ensure government LIMITS.
So fucking what?
They've been forced to do stories about how bad the Democrats have been the past two weeks, how Orwellian and authoritarian, so now they have to find something to blame Republicans for. This is the best they could come up with. I mean the story completely misrepesented the poll cited in the third paragraph but hey at least they got a cheap shot in at the Republicans.
That's what passes for libertarianism here at Reason - a forced balance of a bad Donkey story with one or more bad Heffalump stories. Except Trump, Orange man bad stories are always allowed.
You apparently did not hear about Trump stealing government docs - including some Top Secret - and holding them in his hotel in Palm Beach, which required all the GOP leaders to demonstrate their castrati choral skills denouncing our federal law enforcement agents and prosecutors because ....... because ........ Trump can't be wrong and deserves everything he steals, laws be damned.
Read a paper sometime and you won't appear so dumb.
If people here read anything not in their bubble the comment section would dry up like Lake Mead.
I'm sure it will not come as any surprise that Reason's resident Intern still has a little to learn about writing articles.
Overall, this entire article tries to suggest that Republicans were lying or are changing their minds on the abortion issue. Lancaster's first example of an actual person changing their mind is a SENATE CANDIDATE. Not an actual law maker, just a candidate.
"A recent Politico profile characterized Masters as "king of the trolls," combative and macho-posturing, dedicated to upsetting "the libs.""
Let's see the arguments agains Masters:
"Blake Masters is the Republican Senate candidate in Arizona. Like Ohio's J.D. Vance, Masters is a venture capitalist and an acolyte and former employee of Peter Thiel, who has given millions to each man's campaign. Despite a longstanding reputation as a Silicon Valley libertarian, Thiel pivoted in recent years toward "national conservatism," using state power to achieve his ideological ends."
Ok, this entire paragraph is not about Masters. It is an attempt to tar Masters with guilt by association. Masters is not JD Vance. He is not Thiel. What Thiel has "pivoted" towards in recent years has nothing to do with Masters or whether Masters is disingenuous on the issue of Abortion.
"A recent Politico profile characterized Masters as "king of the trolls," combative and macho-posturing, dedicated to upsetting "the libs.""
Got that? Nothing yet about abortion...Just some condemnation from Politico.
Finally we get to the substance:
"He supports a national ban on abortion, a practice he referred to as "demonic" and akin to "religious sacrifice.""
And surprise! It is Lancaster who is being disingenuous. What Masters actually has said about the national level is, "“You can’t deprive someone with [life, liberty, or property] without due process. Hard to imagine a bigger deprivation of due process than killing a small child before they have a chance to take their first breath. So I think you do need a federal personhood law.”"
Note that he has not advocated a ban, but due process, encoded in a personhood law.
And Masters further did not call abortion "Demonic". He specifically said, "support for abortion rights has become “demonic” and likened it to “religious sacrifice.”" He is talking about the activists who seem absolutely ecstatic about baby killing, not the people wrestling morally with the decision.
As for the ad that Masters put out, he specifically says that he is interested in putting Arizona in line with Western Europe, which would be around 10 - 15 weeks. He is specifically saying that anything more than that is extreme and late term. You can disagree with him, but is that actually a significant departure from what he previously said? Not really.
Now again- this is a single candidate, not even a sitting senator. And Lancaster has rather uncharitably misrepresented his previous positions to make him look extreme, and is similarly misrepresenting his current positions to make them look permissive. Why?
This goes back to the entire narrative of the article. The article could have been an examination of how republicans are being forced to soften their stance in order to actually get the legislation they want. But instead, for some reason, this article needed to be a "Gotcha". Why? It just led Lancaster to write a sloppy article.
He's an intern. With writing like this he'll be editor soon.
It worked for Fiona "Open Borders and let's fly in evert Ukranian refugee" Harrigan. And she just kept refiling the same story, except changing which particular non-American got the sob story.
Well said, thanks for reading so I don’t have to. Just more evidence that Reason has an edict to help Democrats get elected.
It's an incredibly weak "Gotcha" as well. No Republican is going to regard this as anything more than standard-issue media cherry picking, and no Democrat I know believes Republicans have any principles to betray. Neither probably cares much what the writers of this publication think. Just one more "muh narrative" article on the pile.
Perhaps Republicans are simply lying to get elected.
Incontheivable!
Whew! Thought we wouldn’t get an abortion story today.
Nothing rallies democrats like killing babies.
No, their greatest draw is spending other people's money. Abortion is not far off.
Loan forgiveness for money spent on abortions?
And a free puppy to all voters who can prove they cast their ballot for D in the midterms.
Nothing rallies Republicans like DICTATING other people's PERSONAL life's and their wild imaginary excuses to justify their religious-puritan dictation...
Judge not; that ye be not judged.
“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
Completely ignoring that their Ego's and Ignorance that supports their selfish Power-Mad trip is also in direct violation of their own religious law. Do any of you Power-Mad religious freak jobs really think the "unborn" is Caesars territory?
Lactations 25:17
“Whoever kills the smallest of these little ones, it would be better for him if he were thrown in a Roman prison, stabbed in the eyes with a shiv, and raped with a thousand hot irons for all eternity.”
What's Lactations? The Catholic Church re-write?
Never-mind whatever it's from. It doesn't say -- [WE] mobs with Gov-Guns should be the enforcer of Lactations.
There's a core of truth here - many Republicans simply think of abortion as a source of votes and fundraising. Seerious prolifers know this, and "exposes" showing that many Repubs are insincere on the issue won't shock them.
Active prolifers know that while there are sincerely prolife Republican politicians out there (miracles happen), for many Republicans it's not an issue of conviction, but a question of fundraising or not getting primaried. Now they see a chance of ducking the question, which is a key political skill they've been yearning to exercise on this issue.
"many Republicans simply think of abortion as a source of votes and fundraising"
Oh, you mean like Trump?
Who knows, he's certainly had a convenient change of heart, but sincere or not, he helped drive a stake through Roe's heart, and for that I rejoice.
True. I suppose an official's real opinion is irrelevant. Only their outward actions matter. Trump delivered.
MORE, MORE, MORE Gov-Gun POWER RULES!!! /s
A lot of wishful thinking here by the MAGAts. Watch who's ads will be pounding abortion during the midterms, and except for the religious fanatics, and admittedly the GOP has a lot of them, it won't be Republicans. They'll be the ones ducking and changing the subject. If Kansas stuffed the busy body, Daddy State knows best referendum, look out across fly over country. Voters - mostly women - take this kind of bullshit seriously, as they should. Get of my face? No, get out of my .... you creeps!
"MAGAts"
It's a complete surprise that an abortion supporter would engage in dehumanizing rhetoric.
Oh no, some snowflake on the right who has been throwing insults around like candy at a parade for years is taken aback that someone would return the favor.
Yes, I do apologize for being the skunk at the garden party known as Reason Comments. It seems I have violated the code of only bon mots like "Die in a fire, asshole" with my slur on the chosen tag of self identification of the right wing cult who has taken over this supposedly libertarian site. Please accept my pledge to henceforth remain polite and respectful here ........... for maybe an hour.
Trump was Pro-Choice. Course a partisan-hack like you could never admit to such.
he must have had a come to Obama moment and 'evolved' his opinion... are you going to deny him that?
Trump rubber stamped 3 of the 6 radical catholic judges who imposed their religion on the country TJJ.
"Watch who's ads will be pounding abortion during the midterms, and except for the religious fanatics, and admittedly the GOP has a lot of them, it won't be Republicans. "
Republicans don't have to distract from terrible foreign policy, a terrible economy, high unemployment, etc.
Neither do the Democrats. Biden got us out of Afghanistan finally, has masterfully quided the free world's response to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine, has pulled us from the collapse of the economy in Trump's last year, even with global inflation and high oil prices, and overseen America going back to work. Unemployment is at 3.6%, down from 14.7% in April 2020.
lmao... UR so delusional it's not even funny...
Biden saved the economy! Let me guess so did Obama and FDR saved us from that Great Depression and Great Recession.. Your denial-ism probably qualifies you as cognitively crippled.
"Biden got us out of Afghanistan finally"
...in literally the worst manner humanly possible.
"has masterfully quided the free world's response to Russia's invasion of the Ukraine"
...by shovelling BILLIONS to the country that both fired a prosecutor on his demands and had his son work on the board of a corrupt energy firm.
And, mind you, has decimated the dollar and other Western currencies.
"has pulled us from the collapse of the economy in Trump's last year"
...the collapse driven by Democrat governors? Yes, truly horrible. Shame we still have not managed to hit pre pandemic employment levels.
"Unemployment is at 3.6%, down from 14.7% in April 2020."
....yet the workforce is LOWER. Weird.
Is this like Reason has going silent on the firing of FBI agent Tim Thibault?
Or the police abuse inherent in the treatment of the J6 protesters or government secrecy now that it's being used to attack the Orange man.
I've always been of the opinion the republicans did not really care about abortion, that it was just a selling point for them. Perhaps a few care, but I think that behind closed doors most prefer that there be at least some access to abortion. There are intelligent enough people out there to have spent a moment thinking about the massive negative sociological implications of millions of unwanted pregnancies coming to fruition.
It's not that they're intelligent, it's that they want their mistresses to be able to have abortions if they get knocked up.
"massive negative sociological implications of millions of unwanted pregnancies coming to fruition"
I skimmed that part at first; care to clarify?
"massive negative sociological implications of millions" of people DICTATING PERSONAL life's...
Likewise the democrats did not really care about abortion, it was just a selling point for them. Perhaps with a measure of "If we're taking flak, we must be over the target."
You forget that woman are real leaders in the Democratic Party, not to mention a majority of our voters. No, this is not just a selling point to Democrats.
In the ever growing partisan war for who (which [WE] mob) gets control of the Nazi-Empire that conquered the USA; Many modern Republicans resort to Power-Madness instead of being the LIMITED government principled Republicans who WROTE Roe v Wade.
Gov-Guns (The Nazi-Empire) is the #1 sought after resource in every tyrannical nation. And it's also #1 curse and demise of every tyrannical nation.
This is what happens when you let 9 people in black robes run the country. This should have never been heard much less ruled upon.
Do you mean the current 9 or the 9 from 1973?
9 people were never meant to "run the country". They were meant to uphold the U.S. Constitution.. And you've got one thing right. They've done a super piss-poor job at it. Cancelling that Constitution or any means to uphold it isn't "progress".
"even as public support for abortion with either few or no restrictions remained the majority position."
Joe is a bit of a fibber. Polls always showed support for abortion after the first trimester fell off a cliff.
Yeap.
https://apnews.com/article/only-on-ap-us-supreme-court-abortion-religion-health-2c569aa7934233af8e00bef4520a8fa8
However, 65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester, and 80% said that about the third trimester.
And what Repubican's pushed for; (Dobbs) DID NOTHING about that.
It's the usual: As soon as Republicans have the ability to do something, they drop it.
Actually by the USSC decision, the federal government doesn't have the right to legalize or make abortion illegal, that is up to the states. Therefore worrying about candidates for federal office is pretty fucking stupid. The ruling in Dobbs specifically mentions the 10A and turned it over to the states, not the feds. I know in this day and age, republicanism is so blase, and everything is supposed to be a one size fits all federal law, according to our betters, but some of us still remember that were a federal, constitutional republic.
State-Slavery was always a WINNER! /s
I'll want to see the court uphold a blue-state legalization of partial-birth abortion and/or strike down a federal law prohibiting the same before my skepticism is quenched. Right now I suspect that their solemn words about it not being a federal matter were just an excuse to overturn Roe rather than something they're willing to take seriously.
(Not that I actually want to see partial-birth abortions. I'm pro-choice in theory and "A plague on both sides" in practice. I just think that "We seriously do believe that it's entirely a matter for the States and not the Feds" is an extraordinary claim requiring extraordinary evidence. At the least, let me see a ruling where it's the ox of abortion-opponents getting gored on those 10A grounds.)
The court would do neither. They'd simply decline to hear the case and point to Dobbs.
When they say "This is not a federal issue", they would have zero need to re-hear cases to reiterate the same thing.
Nope; It's not a federal issue...
IT'S a PERSONAL ISSUE!!! (i.e. Individual Liberty)
Not worrying about federal candidates is pretty fucking stupid as nothing the court wrote means a federal law on abortion cannot be passed by Congress and signed by the president.
On the ability of states to make laws at present getting into your wife's and daughters wombs, "Free at last, free at last!. Thank God almighty we're free at last!" or something like that.
"Not worrying about federal candidates is pretty fucking stupid as nothing the court wrote means a federal law on abortion cannot be passed by Congress and signed by the president."
It kinda does. If it is not a federal issue, the federal government has zero right to make laws in regards to it.
That's false. Quote the relevant part of Robb you think supports that.
Sure, what can possibly go wrong when we leave RIGHTS up to the states?
I fail to see how you couldn't make a federal law based upon a right to privacy that protects the right to abortion.
But what do I know, I'm not a justice who argues there needs to be "historical precedent" from the late 18th century in order to afford rights to citizens.
Well, we should just bar Democrats from making such laws. They seem, historically, to have been the problems.
And at the end of the day.... What was really accomplished.....
State Politicians and the Political world now GET-TO dictate your pregnant Wife/Family however they see FIT!!!
Because.... or course... YOU don't OWN YOU!... [WE] own YOU! /s They'll keep touting day after day after day...
[WE] mobs RULE!!! /s
Have they gone silent on abortion bans because they never supported them and now don't want to take action on their previous abortion-ban words? Or have they gone silent because they do favor abortion bans and see stealth as now being the best tactic for successfully imposing those bans?
They've gone silent because - as has been obvious Trump took office in 2017 - the GOP is a collection of eunuchs too scared to stand up to their knuckle dragging base, and now to voters in the general election.
The GOP is scared to oppose...their voters? Yeah, makes sense. Nothing says "We LOVE democracy" like demanding political parties oppose their own voters.
damiksec, "leaders" are supposed to lead, not follow the mob and the cult figure they worship.
Tell me more about your love of democracy.
The Edge versus the Center. During primaries candidates used to go to the edges to more appeal to partisan voter, but during the general they would move back to the center to appeal to the mainstream voter.
This is probably the same thing. Beat the drum to repeal and replace Obamacare, but when the GOP had full control of both houses and the presidency, all they could manage was some trivial fixes on the corners. And it was discovered they didn't even have a replacement plan in place. Six years and no one outside of CATO managed to come up with a plan?
So now we had four decades of screaming to overturn Roe v Wade, and now that it has happened, suddenly these politicians (and they ARE politicians) don't want to piss of the mainstream voters by staying out on the edge.
The mainstream doesn't want to ban abortion. Right or wrong, that's where they are. And politics isn't about right or wrong, it's not about ideology, it's not about principles. It's about getting the most votes for the next election. It's a giant beauty contest for ugly people.
Skwire's Law: All politicians are asshats.
But the problem is not the asshats, the problem is the politics. The desire to rule over other people is what's wrong. It's more wrong than abortion.
The Republicans have gone silent because polling shows that the Democrats have done enough manipulation on the subject of abortion that the majority favors less restrictions, despite the fact that the country is majority "personally pro-life". This is not surprising news. Republicans are not well-versed on the subject of abortion in general. They let the Democrats use "life of the mother" as a talking point, when even the strictest religion recognizes that the life of the mother comes first. People around the country actually believe that women who have an ectopic pregnancy are not allowed to be treated. And if there really are stories of such, then a particular state doesn't have the enough information to write the laws correctly.
This. Time to readjust. Taking an election cycle to figure it out on the state level is not a bad call.
New title..
Republican politicians start to show speckles of hope for USA principles (They had in the 1970's when they wrote Roe v Wade) of ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all via LIMITED government.
A character trait rarely found amongst the political world..
I find it extremely respectable because the political world is in dire need of LIMITING itself.
Let me see if I got this straight.
Republicans, for decades, tried to get RvW overturned.
RvW has been overturned.
And Reason leftists think Republicans should still be screaming about getting RvW overturned.....?
Why? They WON. You LOST.
Too many LOVE the greedy/selfish feeling of self-important-empowerment by using Gov-Gun threats against those 'icky' people.
So the dog finally caught the car it's been chasing all these years, and now doesn't know what to do.
Roe vs. Wade was always on shaky legal ground.
That said---we could have a national consensus on abortion that almost everybody could live with, but both sides are controlled by shrieking, all-or-nothing fanatics. On the one side, you have the Fetus Fetishists, who equate a just-conceived zygote to a fully-ready-for-birth baby, and on the other side, you have nutcases who think that out-and-out infanticide of healthy babies is a cool idea. If both groups could be made to STFD and STFU, preferably by permanent means, we could work this thing out.
Even if the Sacred, Holy, Never-to-be-Questioned Decision is gone, that doesn't mean abortion is suddenly illegal from sea to shining sea. The right is enshrined in many state constitutions, and AFAIK there's no federal law specifically prohibiting it, so that's settled in those states.
Unfortunately, after the 1980 election, the GOP was heavily colonized by evangelical "Christians," and, for various reasons (reaction against the perceived sexual excesses of the Sixties, too much associating with the Catholics?) the evangelicals had decided that "no abortions for any reason, forever!" was a hill they were going to stand and die on. Partly in reaction, the "feminist" movement picked out the "abortions up to the ninth month, for any or no reason" position as the hill THEY were going to stand and die on, and the battle lines were drawn.
A lot of GOP politicians pandered to the evangelical vote (they vote, and they get out and work for the party, which makes them useful people to have around) by sponsoring laws forbidding or severely restricting abortion, knowing that Roe vs. Wade would ensure that those laws remained dead letters. Now the Decision is gone, and they're finding that even a lot of GOP women aren't happy. While I know of no woman who wants to have an abortion, I know many who want to not have the option foreclosed.