Washington Is Learning the Wrong Foreign Policy Lesson in Ukraine
So far, U.S. support for Ukraine hasn’t had any consequences for us. We shouldn’t expect it to always be that way.
The six-month anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a miserable milestone few expected to reach. Early forecasts anticipated something more like six days, but half a year in, this historically bloody conflict seems nowhere near over. At summer's end, battle lines remain roughly where they were at the beginning, and diplomatic resolution appears a distant possibility. Ukraine and Russia alike have settled in for the long haul, and so too has Washington, where a robust stream of military aid to Ukraine has lately pivoted "to a longer-term strategy to equip Ukraine to fight"—God forbid—"for years to come."
The nature of U.S. involvement has been a compelling question throughout this war. America has spent decades blurring the lines between war and not-war in our foreign policy, so much so, I've argued, that it's difficult to say if we're "at war" in Ukraine already. Certainly, Russia says we are, and it's hard to imagine we'd disagree were positions reversed. If Moscow helped another country kill American generals and sink our prize warships, surely we'd pursue reprisal?
And that's the strange thing about Ukraine: The Russian regime accuses Washington of waging a proxy war, and you don't have to concede a whit of moral high ground to the Kremlin to recognize that's at least partly true. After all, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has explicitly said Washington wants Russia to come out of this conflict "weakened," an aim more ambitious than simply helping Kyiv repel Moscow's unjust aggression.
But for all the accusations, there's been no military reprisal. Indeed, so far, there are almost no consequences at all for U.S. military involvement in Ukraine. We've had high fuel prices all summer, but that's more directly the result of Western sanctions against Russia than any Russian policy. Anticipated cyberattacks so far haven't materialized (or, at least, haven't been disclosed), and perhaps they aren't coming at all. American athlete Brittney Griner is facing a grossly disproportionate sentence in Russia over a drug conviction, the timing of which suggests a Ukraine connection. But, without minimizing Griner's ordeal, if this is the extent of Russian retaliation for U.S. facilitation of its battlefield humiliations, we're getting off scot-free.
That's a risky lesson for Washington to learn. Obviously, no one wishes for Russian reprisal. It's good that U.S. intervention so far has not led to the military escalation many feared. It's good we are not suffering a NATO-Russia nuclear war. It's good that there's a gap between Moscow's accusations and its actions.
But even if you think Washington is doing the right thing in this case (current polling shows a bipartisan majority of Americans believe the U.S. should support Ukraine "until all Russian forces are withdrawn," and only two in 10 disagree), there is an undeniable risk in teaching our government that it can wage proxy wars, including against fellow nuclear powers, without fear of significant consequence. Even with all possible caveats, even noting that this was not a war of our initiation, even recognizing the comparative moral clarity of this fight, that risk remains.
The risk is that what has happened here will not always happen in the future. It might not continue to happen in this very war, though the revealed weakness of the Russian military is a strong reason for expecting more of the same. Yet in another fight, against a different enemy—and proxy war with China over Taiwan is the obvious scenario to consider right now—we may not be so lucky.
This might seem like a point that doesn't have to be made. But given the long dominance of U.S. military might and our multi-decade proclivity toward playing world police, I think it does. Being the global hegemon is a uniquely deceptive position: It can lure you into falsely believing you can do whatever you want.
Often our hegemony means great security. U.S. deterrence capabilities are remarkable and reliable, especially against state actors. Washington is frequently able to compel other governments to do its bidding.
Still, that power is not infinite, as the last 20 years of U.S. floundering in the greater Middle East made all too clear. Deterrence is not absolute, particularly when dealing with fellow great powers with whom we might fight a proxy war. Sometimes another country's self-perceived national interest will outweigh the restraint imposed by the prospect of U.S. opposition. Sometimes, when another government accuses us of being functionally at war with them, they will respond in kind, with military action of their own.
In short, we can't assume the pattern we now see in Ukraine will hold. If we do, it will dangerously misinform U.S. foreign policy. In the worst case, it could lead us toward civilization-ending war.
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Not for the people making the decisions to send off the money.
Ukrainians have student loans, too.
Not just that, it has exacerbated food costs, fuel costs, caused shipping issues, caused companies to pull out of Russia (Starbucks, McDonalds, etc... not small) which is billions of dollars of business and real estate abandoned.
I'm not making a judgement on backing Ukraine or Russia. Just stating that it has caused us a lot of costs.
You'd think a libertarian take would start already knowing there's no such thing as a free lunch.
Stop pretending this is a libertarian publication. It clears up a lot of confusion.
Why would supporting Ukraine work out differently than supporting Afghanistan in the 1980's?
The current regime is far less competent?
Or Russia supporting North Vietnam in the 1960's?
Yes. I think of this as exactly the oppoy. But we should grab the higher moral ground and not fight a proxy war. Nope. Not this dumbass administration.
Not only that, but Russia sent pilots for their jets, too. So far, we're haven't deployed any personnel, much less in a combat capacity. (And let's hope it stays that way).
Fortunately the adults are in charge now. Right?
Why does this sound like sour grapes from the appeasement camp of foreign policy pundits?
permanent war is the default position of the MIC and the bipartisan cabal running the US Government... it doesn't even need to be a war of our own!
I sure am glad the previous President saved the US Military by getting it more money after the President previous to him had starved it by getting it more money so the effects of the current President being a total pussy and getting it more money won't be too damaging to our ability to get the military more money
$773 Billion for FY23.
Brilliantly put
Other than wrecking our economy, generating millions of refugees, costing us tens of billions of dollars, and destroying the rule of law and violating the Constitution in the US.
Other than that, it hasn't had any consequences for us.
All in all, I’d rather have my tax dollars go to Ukraine than to some Millennial making more than I do.
On second thought, how about this deal? Volunteer to fight for a year in Ukraine, and we wipe your student loan debt.
GI Bill ring a bell?
None of the money goes to Ukraine. It goes to Raytheon, et. Al.
Huh, money goes to raytheon to build missiles. Missiles go to Ukraine to make Russian tanks into craters.
We are literally paying people to dig holes.
It's a "shovel"-ready jobs program!
Who has good insights into the weird US response to Russia invading Ukraine?
I don't mean the government... Although that has been odd. I am talking about the media and the population.
For some reason, coverage of Ukraine has been wildly jingoistic and propagandist. From even before the first troops crossed the border, coverage has been heavily skewed towards a "Putin is going to fail and be humiliated" narrative.
The press reported wild number.. 10,000 troops a week killed. Russia plans in shambles as the invasion stalls... Over and over. They keep reporting made-up plans that failed.
And in support, people all over the country are flying Ukraine flags. These people largely have no clue where that is. And largely have been against US involvement in wars overseas... Yet they fly a flag supporting it?
Online forums are bizarre. With Russian propagandists spouting dueling nonsense that is countered by delusional US supporters of Ukraine.
The impetus for this post was a post about the US space program. Some true believer chimed in that because of Ukraine, Russia was about to collapse into a failed state, creating a patchwork of oligarchy fiefdoms armed with nuclear weapons. This would drive demand for SpaceX Starship E2E capabilities to monitor and attack weapons across the region.
It was a truly unique read.
But by no means out of the realm of what has become mainstream in online discussions of Russia though. If I were to accept the numbers being discussed along the way. More Russians have died in Ukraine than the total dead in WWIi.
Who has a good analysis on this aspect of the story? It really seems unique in US history.
The West is supporting Ukraine for several reasons: (1) generating new defense contracts by destroying older equipment in the war, (2) trying to destroy Putin, who has been opposing the Schwab/Koch/Clinton/... world order, and (3) possibly gain Western corporate power over massive fossil fuel reserves in Ukraine.
Corporate media, of course, fall in line behind this. Why in the world wouldn't they? They know who's paying them, and as journalists, it's not like they have other career options than presstitution.
I'm not sure the propaganda is worse than Iraq or Kosovo but the public seems much more likely to suck it up.
So. Russia has an annual military budget of $65 billion.
We passed a $40 billion dollar appropriation for sending weapons to Ukraine, after having already shipped them ..was it $8 billion? $13 billion? I forget.
And since then we have made several smaller announcements, culminating in another $3 billion this week.
It seems that we are probably outspending Russia on the Russian invasion all by ourselves, not counting contributions from Ukraine and other nations.
Correct
But most of it is immediately stolen by corrupt Ukrainians so no real harm done.
Also... A much closer alliance between Russia and China seems to be a consequence.
They were close before this. They had joint military maneuvers in the early Double-Aughts.
A student of military history would likely point out that Viet Nam and Korea were proxy wars. Yet, other than combatants (and civilians) in the countries of conflict, there were no reprisals. In the modern history, terrorists have taken the fight to non-combatants outside the theater, but as much as pundits might want to declare it, the Russian and Chinese leaders are not terrorists. If the lesson cautioned in this article were real, it would have been learned over 50 years ago in Southeast Asia.
You were saying about terrorists?
At least 25 now dead in Ukraine train station attack, officials say
By Inna Varenytsia The Associated Press
Posted August 25, 2022 7:41 am EST
https://globalnews.ca/news/9084218/ukraine-train-station-attack-russia-war/
Keep studying, Kid.
That said, though, it is true that this War will most likely not go NBC...especially if Putin is either overthrown in a coup or kills himself. (Oh! Happy Day if one of these happen!) 🙂
In short, we can't assume the pattern we now see in Ukraine will hold. If we do, it will dangerously misinform U.S. foreign policy. In the worst case, it could lead us toward civilization-ending war.
Oh, Bushwah!
The prime ministers of UK, France and Germany have all announced that their citizens should expect to pay 10 times as much to heat their homes this winter and are warning about civil unrest. Far from weakening Russia the sanctions are literally destroying most of the European economies. While the Ruble rises. Meanwhile Russia, China, India and others are busy creating a competing reserve currency. Large portions of the third world are expected to starve to death in the coming months. The idea that the US will get off easy is a neocon fever dream. If I were a conspiracy theorist I would suggest that this lunacy is a deliberate attempt by the green New dealers and the WEF to destroy existing civilization and usher in the Great Reset. But I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
"...The idea that the US will get off easy is a neocon fever dream..."
Needs more than a bit of explaining there; conditions, results, etc.
Oh, and:
"The prime ministers of UK, France and Germany have all announced that their citizens should expect to pay 10 times as much to heat their homes this winter and are warning about civil unrest..."
Perhaps paying for defense really has costs attached to it!
The world would be a far more peaceful place if we just put money into Raytheon director's and shareholder's bank accounts directly without requiring they do anything.
Anyway there's still a lot of dogs that need wagging so: British soldiers told to get ready for war against Russia - and prepare loved ones
The Brits will be spared after Ukrainians finish kicking the shit out of Putineers or Putin gets overthrown or blows out his basal ganglia lizard brain.
Yeah, that's probably not going to ever happen.
Well, it happened to a certain You-Know-Who-Else Wickedly Great One, and while history doesn't repeat itself, it can rhyme in Russian.
"The Brits will be spared after Ukrainians finish kicking the shit out of Putineers or Putin gets overthrown or blows out his basal ganglia lizard brain."
([N]on-optional) War is an economic competition, and if the US (as it should) quits supplying the Ukrainians, there really is no competition here.
UNLESS the Euros, who should have a great interest in keeping Ivan in the cave, were willing to take up the slack and back the Ukrainians; the EU economy is far stronger than the Russian. But, heaven forbid, that would require the Euros to make some sacrifices to defend themselves!
Those who claim equivalence between the two choose to ignore that one invaded the other; a non-trivial matter.
Regardless, we have no dog in this fight. This is a Euro matter and not one penny of US taxpayer money should be used to support either side. Further, by denying material aide, perhaps the Euros might learn that defending themselves costs something!
I find these foreign policy articles expressing a realist rationale for nonintervention to be really weird.
Certainly 'realism' results in 'let the big psychotic powers squash their nice little neighbors like bugs and we'll let them'. But the quid pro quo of realism is that they will let us squash our little neighbors like bugs and not interfe. But of course that's not nonintervention by us.
So is nonintervention simply not a well thought out strategy as some broad goal of foreign policy?
The big problem with "Realism" is that it is not real.
The reity is that there are many options between NeoCon remaking the world in our own image and letting innocents get massacred and waiting for a flying or suitcase nuke to be plopped in our midst.
What the right answer for Libertarians is should be within the bounds of the NAP or the NIFF. No government troops or foreign aid, but do allow private citizens to give voluntary assistance to freedom-fighters anywhere.
Reality, not reity.
Putineer gangsters are fighting each other over who gets da bigger cut of da mouse take:
Putin's army descends into civil war with Russian SAS units fighting Wagner militia
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1661388/russia-news-spetsnaz-clash-with-wagner-militia-putin-ukraine-war-latest-1661388
Lots missing in the remarks just read . No one has mentioned the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine's president , with phone call leaked on the internet of V. Nuland bragging about it . U.S. meddling in Russian politics is how Boris Yeltsin was re-elected . The presence of Pentagon sponsored biolabs are real and they are a dangerous
provocation that Russia will never allow on its border . Ukraine will never join NATO as Russia will not succumb to nuclear missiles a mere 500 miles away. It was Ukrainian operators that shot down MH-17 falsely blamed on Russia. This War omits Zelensky as dictator who has canceled elections, has allowed dangerous experiments on civilians and the military with exposure to viruses released at various locations (some close to schools) , broke cease-fire agreements in the Donbass while ethnically cleansing the Russian population, etc. I expected a better informed base but the editorial by Bonnie Kristian only endorses a continued ignorance of lazy thinking people who lack Russian history and never look at maps.
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