COVID-19 Gutted College Attendance. Now, a Solid Labor Market Is Convincing More High School Grads To Skip It.
The number of high school seniors going on to attend college has plummeted in the past two years, deepening the already steady decline.

According to NBC News, there are 4 million fewer students enrolled in college than there were 10 years ago, and there has been a 7 percent drop in college attendance from 2016 to 2020.
"With the exception of wartime, the United States has never been through a period of declining educational attainment like this," Michael Hicks, director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University's business school, told The Hechinger Report, an education nonprofit.
What caused this unprecedented drop? The COVID-19 pandemic played a clear role, and so does the robust labor market, which offers enticing jobs for recent high school graduates. While the dramatic national drop in enrollment began after the COVID-19 pandemic, several states have seen steady declines in enrollment prior to 2020. In Alabama, the college-going rate had declined 7 percent from 2014 to 2019, and in West Virginia, the 2019 college-going rate was 5 percent lower than in 2010.
However, while college-going rates were falling before 2020, college attendance numbers decelerated dramatically since the onset of the pandemic. In 2015, 65 percent of Indiana high school seniors went on to college. In 2019, the rate had declined by 6 percent. In 2020, the rate fell by another 6 percentage points, bringing the total of college-attending seniors to 53 percent. Tennessee's college-going rate decreased by almost 10 percent over a period of only three years, from 61.8 percent in 2019 to 52.8 percent in 2021.
While COVID-19 certainly played an outsized role in the drop in college attendance, with high school seniors wary of online school or unable to pay high tuition after their parents faced financial hardship, the pandemic doesn't tell the whole story. Despite a sharp drop-off in 2020, national college attendance didn't increase in 2021, which would have implied that students taking a COVID gap year had finally enrolled. In fact, attendance in 2021 dropped at nearly the same rate as the year before.
The COVID-19 pandemic, coupled with a bustling labor market, seems to be the main thrust behind why more and more students are skipping out on college. "The change from in-person to online [college instruction] caused a reconsideration for some people of what it is that [they're] paying for when it comes to college, and then at the same time or shortly thereafter, we had the really rapid recovery in the labor market," Beth Akers, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, tells Reason. "My hope is that colleges are going to have to reconsider what it is that they're selling and try to be more sensitive to their students' needs and wants."
According to Akers, with many companies offering solid salaries and not requiring college degrees, many high school graduates are choosing to work rather than amass student debt for a degree they now seem to doubt will help them earn a better wage.
This dramatic decline in college enrollment could be the incentive needed for colleges to reduce their prices. Students are no longer buying the promises made in glossy brochures or by college counselors. Schools will either need to lower their prices or provide a product that is worth the hefty investment made by students and their families.
"I'm really hoping this fall in demand will wake colleges up to this fact and drive them to make some changes in what it is they're doing," says Akers, who added that this change "will be both good for individual students and good for our economy, creating a better pipeline for workers to fill the real jobs we have in place."
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I'm thinking rate is a misleading stat. What are the actual enrollment numbers?
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I spoke to one of the board members at homecoming last fall at my alma mater. State school, college of engineering. He said they are finally caught up with they increased attendence problem. Unfortunately, most of the solution was the new problem of declining enrollment.
"With the exception of wartime, the United States has never been through a period of declining educational attainment like this," Michael Hicks, director of the Center for Business and Economic Research at Ball State University's business school, told The Hechinger Report, an education nonprofit.
Or maybe they are already so 'educationally attained' that they see college for the scam it is.
How about we make all those gender study graduates in HR earn their bucks, and justify, as an actual job requirement, exactly what degree is required, and why?
Any job just requiring "a degree" is obviously bogus.
"the United States has never been through a period of declining educational attainment like this"
The declining educational attainment incidentally isnt related to attending/not-attending college anymore. Turns out whether or not you get a 200k gender studies or philosophy degree doesn't actually mean you learned anything of use.
No, the real educational decline has taken place in K-12 schools. Graduates have unprecedented levels of illiteracy and innumeracy. Probably because we now dedicate too many hours per day to helping the kiddos find out what kink or gender dysphoria they have and stopped grading their math tests because it makes the people of color feel bad
Also, the curriculum theories pushed by the so called elites, are overwhelmingly failures. The data and research supports this. The new math and reading programs are utter failures but they continue to support and push them, despite the real world data showing declining literacy and math aptitude. Sight words are not working, phonics still is a better route. Turns out that old math skills like long division is still a better technique than number lines and number blocks. The elites however, can't admit failure. Do they ever admit failure and mistakes? That's the biggest problem in America today, admitting you're wrong.
Perhaps they're not failures, and you're just presuming the wrong goals?
Good catch - they purpose all along has been to decrease the academic ability of the general public!
They can't admit failures unless they can find a Goldstein to pin them on, but as Nardz indicates, they no doubt would not regard these outcomes as failure. Meanwhile the checkout girl at the grocery store doesn't know how to round numbers. The point of all this is an ignorant underclass. They want credulous serfs.
Or maybe they are already so 'educationally attained' that they see college for the scam it is.
I guarantee that's not the issue. The issue with them is that they expect a college degree to enter them in to the ranks of the elite, and there simply aren't enough "elite" jobs to meet the demand.
That's why you have so many of these idiots thinking they'll never have to do real, actual work again if they can get their "influencer" brand off the ground, or getting bent out of shape if their boss expects them to actually work in an office instead of telework.
Notice how they never mention Graduation numbers?
Good catch!
i know multiple kids who gave up on college because of masking, vaxing and overall destruction of normal college life inflicted by neurotic stalinist university admins.
Ah, poor snowflakes! Most universities require multiple vaccines, as do grade schools. Were these kids raised by wolves?
Not raised by wolves, no; turned off by wokies.
Well tested vaccines that more or less actually work.
Zeb, the covid vaccines worked and the proof is that by the end of the Delta variant - Omicrin variants are thankfully not killers - in both red and blue states the unvaxxed led in new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Very few vaccinated died in those ICUs. Additionally, approximately 300k US deaths were deemed unnecessary for this very reason.
That's a pretty damn weak kind of "worked" given the claims made about the vaccines when they were released. I have never said they had no positive therapeutic effect for anyone at any time. You continue to ignore the frequent and severe side effects that are reported far more than for any other vaccine in wide use. For people like college students that is extremely important in making a risk benefit calculation to decide if taking these vaccines is appropriate.
no one college age needed to get it or benefited from it in any way, yet many young men developed myocarditis from taking it.
Has the thought ever occurred to you that mandates are ineffective and only deter from greater productivity? Hmm?
Lots of people hearing from family members that the trades are relatively low barrier to entry and currently are making bank.
Ive got family members who are electrician, plumber, and HVAC and they are all making 6 figures now. Right now you can also charge very high rates on side jobs and people will pay.
You get to work with relatively normal people, but at the higher levels of the professions you still have very intelligent people.
Ive got family members who are electrician, plumber, and HVAC and they are all making 6 figures now. Right now you can also charge very high rates on side jobs and people will pay.
You'd think all these Millennials and Zoomers I see on Youtube doing intensive and truck modifications so they can be live like homeless people, er, #vanlife would be able to apply those skills to taking care of that shit in their own house.
I'm a general contractor in a generally booming construction market area. There is a complete shortage of young people entering the trades and every sub I know of is constantly complaining about that. Their crews show it to as they are getting grayer.
PS If they are making 6 figures they are not electricians and plumbers but electrical contractors and plumbing contractors. Tradesmen don't make 6 figures unless licensed and self employed and probably working in Vail and Scarsdale.
It would be no great shock to me that people with my bloodline and shared genetics outperformed someone with the critical thinking skills you normally showcase.
If Joe Friday contractor co. outperformed the local lemonade stand I would say that's a win for someone of your caliber.
Jimbo, your reading comprehension doesn't support your confidence in your bloodlines. I said tradesmen in my area don't make anything like that and I assure you I am not related to any, let alone most of them.
Do you even know what you're talking about? His family runs a better business than you do. Do you object?
He not only completely whiffed, but then he pooped his pants and fell down in it. And he doesnt realize it
"and I assure you I am not related to any, let alone most of them."
If only you could make a comment perfectly highlighting your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking at the same time.
Thanks for proving my point, Joe Retard. Best save your strength for arguing with one of your peers. Perhaps a high school drop out
Philly's local 98 are making 120K-150K picking up OT. They are crushing it right now. They are not running business, just working for the Union 40 plus hours a week.
Yes, and we all know what great supporters of unions libertarians are and what a great future there is for unions.
Wrong. I’m in employee benefits and I see it every month
PS If they are making 6 figures they are not electricians and plumbers but electrical contractors and plumbing contractors.
you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. as usual
In a few generations, with their wealth, they will own the world.
"Solid labor market"
Man, libertarians are a bit clueless, no?
The labor market is soon good - everyone can have 3 jobs.
It's easy to see the labor market as "solid" if you ignore the historically low labor participation rate.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm
One of my biggest gripes.
Even with increasing population the US is still trying to have the same absolute number of peeps working as were working before COVID-19.
Good. A couple of generations ago [when I went to college] it was reasonably affordable; you wouldn't incur decades of debt to pay it off.
Never mind all the bullshit that higher education has become notorious for.
Now the only reason any one should go to college is if they plan to pursue a career that makes it worthwhile. Or if you have such a yin to do something [like be a school teacher] that you just can't imagine doing anything else with your life. If that is the case you will likely be good at whatever you pursue.
We are seeing a sea change, and it's about damned time.
Besides STEM careers, college has essentially become a training ground for political marxists who enter the various bureaucracies after graduation. That's really its primary function at this point.
That's bullshit. Cite your source.
Look at almost every college around you.
OK, and?
Would you also like cites for the green grass and blue sky?
I see, and just as I thought.
Your response is cite enough you triggered cuck.
Pretty much every college curriculum in the humanities and social sciences. Bitch.
Cite? the calling card of every internet midwit
Fuck Face throws out anecdotes for his "evidence" and thinks it is the burden of anyone he disagrees with [pretty much any of us] to provide "proof"
Two bit piece of shit troll.
Gee, sorry to fuck up your circle jerk. Maybe put out a sign next time guys.
the midwit comes back
Have you not read all the situations where CRT is taught, for one?
GFY
COVID-19 had no effect on college attendance, the tyrants that used it as an excuse certainly did though.
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Need more victim studies degrees to recover.
my son went to visit his friend at college and sat in on a class titled "queer ecology" I kid you not.
this is not a one off.
They have courses on "feminist XYZ" where they give you a shitty version of XYZ and try to tie everything to patriarchy bad. Feminist geography (seriously), etc.
The narrative must be inserted everywhere
In university I took an east Asian history class. The grader was a hairry bull dyke getting a PhD in woman studies. Every question I related back to how the early east Asians subjugated women. I dint learn a single thing, I got an A
and the result was predictable:
Best case scenario, you come away with an easy A without picking up any of the gibberish and bullshit indoctrination
But so many of these kids who have spent most of their life being told they are victims just fall further into the indoctrination and think this stuff is real. That lady Hawley was questioning about the men getting pregnant thing is a perfect example. Not only does she think this stuff is absolutely real, she scoffs are the plebs that have the audacity to think only a woman can get pregnant, and resents their puny ignorant brains.
I was also in senior design and taking 2 graduate level engineering classes I wanted the easiest a I could get
My tradition 103 class was the only course that I ever got a B in despite a 98% test average because the teacher had 20% class participation grading subjective to his whims, ie dont talk against him. Multiple students that semester appealed to the humanities college and the professor ended up on a 2 year sabbatical the following semester.
The narrative must be inserted everywhere
yep. it's like medieval christians. EVERYTHING has to reflect the religion of the day. Everything.
Feminist geography (seriously)
Was it a map of the kitchen with a sad tale of the woman trapped in servitude to the patriarchy?
instructions for making a sandwich were in the index.
It's not what it sounds like, it's actually all about weird-fucking frogs and trees and shit. The field was invented by a British person where the term has different meaning.
TFA doesn't mention wokeness once.
I bet there are polls and surveys which do mention it. Someone's a little too sensitive.
It's kind of like the Military's recruitment shortfalls. Almost all articles dance around the 800 pound gorilla of political witch-hunts, mandatory COVID vaccines, etc that are turning off many traditional recruits (the recruiting numbers are down especially in the rural areas of the US, the southeast in particular, that have traditionally made up the most fertile recruiting grounds). Here again the media blames the job market, but the numbers don't support that. In fact, labor participation rates for young adults is depressed, many aren't entering the work force, school or the military.
So, these snowflakes are too scared to get a shot but want to join the military? Tell us about the dozens of other vaccines they have to get - does the traditional lollipop make hose boo boos go away?
As to "..many aren't entering the work force, school or the military." does anyone care other than their parents? How big is your basement?
This solid bustling job market doesn't appear to include fast food joints, restaurants and retail stores in my area. They're still all extremely short handed. I'd like to know where they're going for all the jobs. Are the bots working, they're all working top careers part-time from from their apartments for $30,030?
Short-handed IS a seller's market for workers.
I get that, but isn't the thrust of this article that kids are getting jobs instead of going to college? Where?
Rite aid has a huge shortfall, with all of the people quitting and working from home
The baristas in the Starbucks near me today are 'on strike' and the place is closed.
Eugene, Oregon
Most unfortunate is the fact that high schools convince students that a college degree is the only way to succeed and have fulfillment or satisfaction. I became an electrician after high school and in addition to a stelar salary, I also experienced tremendous satisfaction....
After a few years I went to college eventually obtaining an MS in Finance and Economics and jumped ship to the corporate world, where I also experienced tremendous satisfaction.
The reality is that both electrical and economics are technical pursuits that require dedication and a substantial amount of studying and perseverance.
However, today.... It is much easier to lament that you are a victim and obtain a $100,000 degree in Social Justice Warrior Keyboard Studies....
To which I say, Piss Off Losers! Enjoy your parents' basement....
Something tells me that all those here claiming a college degree is a waste of time aren't telling their kids that.
"Something" wouldn't be the DNC by any chance?
LOL, not really. I've already told mine that I'm not going to be broken up if they don't go to college, as long as they're doing something productive with their lives, and that if they do, there's also nothing wrong with waiting a year or two after graduation to start so they can get some life experience under their belt.
That freaks my wife out because she comes from a long line of educators who treat degrees like a holy talisman, but I'm already chipping away at that by pointing out that if all student loan debt needs to be forgiven, as multiple idiots on your side argue, it's a tacit admission that college isn't worth the return on investment anymore.
The wife and I have agreed we just wont be paying if its not for a degree with career prospects.
Communications, sociology, philosophy, and ethnic/victim/gender studies, or being "undeclared" for more than a semester will be a no go. I dont know if they still have "political science" as a major but anything in that vein is a no go. Psychology only if there is a very clear career path laid out but I think that one might need to be nixed too. If they dont have an actual career pathway laid out, we will discourage it by not paying for it. They have to know how much money they will make doing it, and how much the degree costs to obtain.
Fortunately the kids most enjoy science and math classes in school, so we are off to a good start anyways
Yeah, I was in RRWP's shoes and that was our middle ground. It's looking increasingly likely that our oldest is going to be a pilot. He pointed out that he could get his (private) pilot's license before he could get his driver's license and lots of airlines have begun dropping the 4-yr. degree requirements for pilots so he may not have to get a college degree either. Being a stupid teenager, he said this in front of Mom, who hit the roof. I talked her down with the question, "He'll be 18 and we can't force him attain any given degree, what if he chooses to be an Art History Major? Will we pay for that?" Suddenly, not paying for him (at school anyway) to have an employable skill would be better than paying for him to have a skill for which he can't be employed.
Flying is fun
Fair enough Jimbo, but you do understand that many careers just require proof that the employee can handle the responsibility and general logical and writing skills a 4 year degree implies. It is true that an engineering or medical degree (not necessarily MD) will pay off better than an English degree at least at first, but generalist aptitudes can be better for executive positions achieved later, and are also valued in law school and for MBAs. Those technical degrees are also not for everyone, bot by ability and tolerance for blood and guts.
Thanks for your honesty Red Rocks, but listen to your wife:
"Average Salary with a High School Diploma
Median Weekly Earnings: $809
Average Salary with a Bachelor’s Degree
Median Weekly Earnings: $1,334
Average Salary with a Master’s Degree
Median Weekly Earnings: $1,574"
https://www.northeastern.edu/bachelors-completion/news/average-salary-by-education-level/
if all student loan debt needs to be forgiven, as multiple idiots on your side argue, it's a tacit admission that college isn't worth the return on investment anymore.
This has been coming for two decades. Universities stopped educating after 9/11, and began the transition to woke luxury indoctrination camps.
We oversold the benefits of an university degree. We undersold tech schools and apprenticeships. We constantly pushed the idea that every job requires a sheep skin to perform. It started with Gen X, we were pushed to go to college to succeed. Many of us did, and then when we got a job we discovered that little or nothing we learned in college actually applied to our jobs. Our kids are now graduating, and the need to push everyone to get a degree is not the same as what our Baby Boomer parents pushed on us. We also look at Universities with cancel culture, mandatory DEI, group think culture and question the relevancy. We also look at our compatriots that people sneered at, who went into the trades, and see they are more successful than we are. And so it influences us in what we advise our kids. To the educated 'elite' this is a crisis. And possibly in the long run it could be, but the college for all narrative didn't hold up well for our generation.
Another thing to consider is that most of us have worked up into middle management etc, where we're growing increasingly aware that of how tight the technical skills market is, of how hard it is to hire qualified technicians. We also see that many of those in this work force are older, nearing retirement. We're aware of the salaries they receive, the benefits, etc. The better work life balance they have. And we transmit this to our kids. Why would we recommend they get a degree for hundreds of thousands of dollars when they could learn to be a machinist, electrician, plumber, etc for a fraction of the cost (or even get paid, during an apprenticeship)? They wonder why university enrollments are down, maybe they should re-evaluate the college for all narrative.
>Many of us did, and then when we got a job we discovered that little or nothing we learned in college actually applied to our jobs.
I know you had a military path, and medical, but I was in tech. I worked with someone who was liberal arts with a minor in Japanese, a Math major, two Biology majors, an English major (I don't know her minor, but she was native German and spoke 4 languages, she did our localization), an Aerospace Engineering major, etc...
Oh, and one CS major. One.
The internet in the dot com boom era was built by people like us. Biology majors, English majors, Accounting major, Nuclear Engineering majors, people without degrees at all... folks who went into the world, got experience in a new and growing field, and just learned as we did our jobs.
We didn't study computer science because it was a very obscure degree until the mid/late 90s. I mean, my school didn't get rid of punch card readers until 1984 or 85 and didn't tear down the Vax lab until 1990 or 91. Even into the 90s engineering students like me started coding in Fortran 77. Before H1B got massively expanded (thanks Clinton and end of 90s republican congress) if a company wanted someone to do a weird job for a new technology, they'd train someone or offer an incentive to get the training. That's how you retained talent and got a good workforce -- though that all changed after it became a lot cheaper to import replacements who would be tied to the job and unwilling to ever ask for a raise for fear of being shipped back to Bangalore. But that's a different story.
College is shite as training for a lot of jobs. Even many jobs that would require a much higher level of training. A school more focused on the specific job skills could do a far better job of training in 1, 2, or 3 years at far lower expense -- but such schools don't exist or don't have any mindshare in educators, who are all focused on university degrees as certification for... whatever.
Exactly. Most degrees have very little to do with actual work. The STEM fields are usually exemptions from this rule, but even then, the course work doesn't always match the actual real world work as well as it should.
Another thing that has gotten bad is requirements. I am looking at going back into nursing. As I'm an LPN I was looking for a bridge course for RN. I have a MS in Animal Science. The state of Montana university system wants me to start out fresh. They no longer have bridge courses. You have to do the whole degree over. At the same time Montana is desperate for RNs, especially in rural areas. And none offer a schedule that would allow you to work while going to school. So, they're barring experienced nurses from advancing their skills in the midst of a nursing shortage. Makes no sense to anyone, even the ones running the courses.
So soldier, your kids are about to graduate, right, and you really wish they were uneducated tradesmen? Do you have a bunch of debt because they went to Vanderbilt or did they go to Big State U for $6k a year? Did they go into Women's Studies or engineering or ag, or zoology. Do you think studying Shakespeare and Locke is woke, something they'd probably also get working as an electrician, or maybe something we used to call Liberal Arts, intended to give future leaders a broadened perspective? Yeah, I'm sure the Women's Studies department is woke, but not exactly a big department in any Big State U.
I don't think anyone is arguing that college is completely useless and no one should go. Just that a lot of people do go who would be better served by a more technical or vocational education.
There's more strawmen in this post than an Iowa cornfield.
"Schools will either need to lower their prices or provide a product that is worth the hefty investment made by students and their families."
why do you think there are so many crying for free college and student loan forgiveness...... whole industry that has been propped up by student loans that does not want to fix itself.
How else are they gonna keep themselves afloat? Free college and debt forgiveness is only going to make the problem worse.
Good. Hopefully the higher education bubble is finally going to pop.
You refrain from sending the children in your family to college.
I will continue to arrange advanced degrees for members of my family.
Thank goodness my descendants will get to compete economically with poorly educated right-wingers.
Right, you fucking moron, the only options are everyone goes to college or no one does.
College doesn’t sound near as fun as it used to be, what with all the young people butthurt as their favorite pastime. I’m not sure I’d do it again today. There’s plenty of money to be made for those willing to after it, and who needs a fun liberal arts degree just to ask people if they want room for cream?
the only perk right now is that there is maybe one of the largest F:M ratios currently. You could probably sit around arguing with feminists/wokies that they are full of shit and still bang the hot ones if you are a halfway attractive guy, as the numbers are just in the guys favor. Add that into the new 'my pleasure at all costs' free abortion and no slut shaming culture the left is into right now, and itd be pretty easy to man-ho your way around campus. That is if you dont get me2'd...
I thought the no slut shaming and liberal attitudes got drowned out by the Progressive Puritanism the last few years.
Sexuality, like everything fun, is fundamentally against progressive woke dogma.
no slut shaming culture
I can understand the ratio argument and, admittedly, I didn't attend school consistently between 1960 and today, but hasn't campus always been a place of some version 'free love' since forever, right? Or at least until recently?
I went to a fairly conservative University in a fairly conservative state and, even then, the term 'walk of shame' was more chiding or schadenfreude, and mostly about looking like a hot mess than anything more Hester Prynne-esque. Maybe some shame because an STD would tear through fraternity or sorority because they were all fucking the same people (or each other), but that was about being stupid and rather rebuts the narrative about sex without shame.
I hope this can lead to universities finding their purpose once again. We talk about how Colleges have let down students in their path to find higher paying careers, I would argue that Universities becoming work focused in this way is a historical distortion of what Universities are for.
There's a lot of reasons for this, not the least of which is primary and secondary education becoming worthless in many schools, thereby pushing for MORE education in college to make up for it, but at it's core Universities are a very specific place for research and building towards research based careers. Something has been lost on this in the post-war era.
The GI Bill allowed many to leave the farm and factories, which was a good thing as mechanization was making many of those workers surplus anyhow. It gave them a solid middle class living. They pushed their progeny, the baby boomers, into the same career path. Who then pushed the Gen X into it. But as college became more popular several things occurred. First, everything started demanding university rather or not it was warranted. Second, many ended up with degrees that they never used. Third, the universities started turning away from the STEM, especially practical STEM, towards an "experience".Fourth, related to third, universities began to try and drive culture. Fifth, we ignored the lucrative technical skills and trades that are necessary for a technological advances civilization, relying on a smaller pool of aging workers. Sixth, high schools stopped teaching people with the mindset that they're sending them out into the world, and instead adopted a mindset that it was merely a stepping stone to college, and they measured their success not on preparing students for life but on how many students went to the university after graduation. It probably peaked in 2008, when Obama was pushing for everyone to have at least two years of college during his Presidential run. But it was inevitable that we would begin to reevaluate education and what it should be aimed at. Pair that with a growing distrust of the 'educated elite', dissatisfaction among many Gen X with our jobs and careers. The 2008 recession and wokeness on campus, and it's no wonder people are questioning the validity of needing a college degree.
Soldier, I live very close to a huge Big State U, and while there are woke studies, nothing else you say is true. All the sciences, engineering, medical, and even business schools are as big and prosperous as ever and twice as hard to get into. Those WWII GI Bill guys became not just accountants but civic leaders across America and many of them with liberal arts degrees.
PS The biggest diversions for this large student population is not BLM protests or trips to gay beaches but hey, the next football game and drunken - almost all hetero, at least on the streets - bashes. You guys watch too much Fox, or something.
This is not remotely true. Plenty of those who attend the football games are not even college students. Shut the hell up, you little pinhead.
I see Joe Friday is infecting this thread with his usual partisan group think. Since he's muted I don't see his responses but can make an educated guess that it's something along the lines of calling anyone who disagrees with him uneducated, while providing no actual counterarguments. Also, it is undoubtedly shock full of authority and elite worship. He also probably is incapable of understanding how educated people can come to a conclusion that university degrees aren't necessary for everyone. He claims to be a contractor yet he also seems to be bad mouthing the trade industries. Supposedly, according to him, the trades have given him success, so one has to wonder why he degrades them?
Soldier you chicken shit, when you're done with the strawman, man up if you think you can. I understand you prefer pontificating with long self obsessed posts followed by back rubs from your admirers like sarcasmic, but if you can't back anything up you'd look better to just stop there and skip embarrassing displays like latest from you.
Did Emma Camp obtain a college degree? Will she arrange college degrees (if she can) for her children?
I am skeptical of education-disdaining advice -- or criticisms of liberal-libertarian institutions from those who favor conservatism and conservatism's inferior institutions -- from someone who attended a strong, liberal-libertarian university.
And whose children, I am prepared to wager, will attend the best liberal-libertarian school she can get them into.
Carry on, clingers.
1) Why does it matter than Emma Camp has a degree or not? She is still correct in her observation.
2) That's rich coming from you, conservatives and libertarians aren't the ones promoting critical race theory, socialism and ridiculous pseudoscience like gender identity.
3) We're not disdainful of education at all, just the types who promote false ideologies such as what's mentioned above, as well as schools that do not adequately prepare students for the workforce.
4) You cannot be liberal (in the modern sense) and libertarian at the same time.
Better to be a "clinger" then be deceived like you are.
I dropped out in the 80s because the (computer) technology was moving faster than any colleges could keep up. As an "IT engineer" (solely on the strength of my experience and skills, no degree) I worked for a company were few of the tech staff had degrees, while many of the hundreds of customer service, telemarketers, etc making $10-12 an hour (if they were lucky) had degrees, mostly in useless subjects.