Ineffective Mask Mandates Could Be Returning in L.A. and Seattle
Evidence from the past two years suggests they won't make a difference.

Public officials in Los Angeles and Seattle are reportedly mulling a return to mask mandates as COVID-19 case numbers surge and hospitalization rates creep upward.
Hospitalizations now exceed 10 per 100,000 residents in Los Angeles County, the threshold where indoor masking in public spaces becomes mandatory under the county's pandemic mitigation plans. If the county remains above that rate of hospitalizations for the next two weeks, the mask mandate would automatically take effect on July 29, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.
In Washington state, meanwhile, officials in King County (which includes Seattle) are having "active discussions" about a new mask mandate as COVID hospitalizations climb, according to local TV station Fox 13.
In both places, officials are pointing to the highly transmissible new subvariants of the omicron variant of COVID. Those subvariants—BA. 4 and BA. 5—are now the dominant strains of the virus circulating in the U.S., but they seem to cause less severe illness and fewer hospitalizations than their predecessors.
So why are some places with high vaccination rates returning to mask mandates? Good question.
Wearing masks might provide some marginal protection against COVID infection, but even that's pretty debatable. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) admitted in January that nonsurgical masks provide little protection. "Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations," is how CNN medical analyst Leana Wen described them in December 2021. Fitted surgical masks and N95 masks provide better defense but are cumbersome to wear on a regular basis, as even CDC Director Rochelle Walensky has conceded.
There's less debate about the effectiveness of mask mandates, which are mostly about virtue signaling and don't seem to accomplish much—other than usefully demonstrating the hypocrisy of public officials caught flouting their own masking orders. "We do not find evidence that mandating mask-wearing reduces transmission," a group of Yale University researchers reported in June of last year. "Our results suggest that mask-wearing is strongly affected by factors other than mandates."
During last fall's surge in COVID cases, the "states with mask mandates haven't fared significantly better than the 35 states that didn't impose them," science journalist Faye Flam wrote in a Bloomberg Opinion essay. "There's little evidence that mask mandates are the primary reason the pandemic waves eventually fall—though much of the outrage over lifting mandates is based on that assumption."
Indeed, it's fairly obvious that nearly everyone long ago made up their mind about if (and under what circumstances) they'd be willing to wear a mask. You'll still see some people masked up while walking outside by themselves, while others will only wear a mask during prolonged face-to-face contact indoors, and most have ditched them altogether.
So bring back the mask mandates. Or don't. It probably won't make one bit of difference in how America weathers the next wave of COVID—it will only pointlessly annoy a lot of people living in certain cities. Wearing a mask is a personal choice at this point—and no mandate will change that reality.
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Fighting disease by means of virtue signaling is never effective.
Unless it's a social justice disease and the virtue being signaled is severe mockery. It's very effective in lifting the signaler's morale.
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It's not about the disease, it's about the control.
What's astonishing is that so many people on the left still believe that the policies were ever based on "following the data" after the admission by the agency recommending this nonsense that they'd been withholding the data from public transparency.
Even more insane, they believe the claim that the data had to be withheld in order to "prevent misinformation". As if misinformation could possibly be hindered by a lack of "official" information; what lie has ever failed to gain traction due to a lack of refutation?
I guess, I agree. But I increasingly wonder why we're talking about this still. We know why these cities do it at this point, and it's the same reason as before.
Bring back the mask mandates! I like the social awkwardness that goes with it. Let's have more fun watching the snootiness of the mask police combined with the angry anti-masker! Oh, how I miss 2020.
I, for one, love that it has made me despise people I could formerly just ignore. Now I don't have so large a social circle I have to keep in touch with.
It has stopped me from attending music festivals where the smarmy, virtue signalling assholes have made said attendance unpleasant even beyond the masks. This saves me money, because I don't have to buy concert tickets!
So many benefits to community masking, I can't tell you! I wish they'd start making me whip out the vaccine card, too, because that always starts a great discussion.
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"All evidence suggests they won't make a difference."
FTFY
Wearing masks might provide some marginal protection against COVID infection,
... To the wearer.
This is the key. To the wearer. Doctors wearing N95, properly, as they are trained for, have a greatly reduced infection rate even when dealigng with covid patients.
There is zero evidence of any mitigation of spread from community masking. Next person that pulls the "Your mask protects me" shit is going to hear about how stupid you have to be to expect a stranger to properly wear a mask if your personal health is at risk. That, from a bearded man who literally cannot "properly" wear an n95 respirator.
They should just get a tire iron upside the head at this point. Progs got to learn their place.
Adults back in charge?
"good news" is that after the mid-terms, we'll have a new crop of primates in control of Congress, and they'll be throwing a different color of shit all over the place.
For a while under Obama, the Dems could get away with pretending to be the "adults in the room" because the GOP wasn't really trying to pretend anymore; also, the Dems get a strong assist from the "reputable" outlets among the corporate MSM. At this point it might just be Stelter, Maddow, and Don Lemon still pretending there's any adults in the room at all.
https://twitter.com/AurelianofRome/status/1548045351508054016?t=3_rBDX4MS7QfhmpeiInoAA&s=19
Medical schools are employing the disproven concept of “unconscious bias” and other prejudices based in race-essentialism to indoctrinate students into a fascist ideology.
Your medical colleges are reifying race and treating individuals as avatars for demographic dynasties.
This threatens the entire medical profession and violates fundamental human rights that are protected by law.
I’ll ask again…
What is the threshold for fraud, malfeasance, and unethical practices that establishes when it is acceptable to punish institutions with defunding?
We’ve already crossed the threshold.
Legislation is needed to strip these schools of certifications, accreditations, and funding.
This obsession with inaction needs to end.
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the most hilarious part...
Racial discrimination / stereotyping is essentially required to be a good doctor.
Ashkenazi jews have certain things that run in their family. As do white WASP, as do blacks. Seeing patients for even under 1 year, you start to see very clear patterns.
Medicine actually REQUIRES that you understand the etiology of the 'stereotypes' that groups present.
A good doctor past the first 1/3 of their career can attain a HUGE amount of the patients medical history from their senses 1-2 seconds after walking in the door. And knowing the other stereotypes clues you into what questions you should also be asking. You fill the rest in with your standard H&P.
Does everyone remember this from last fall?
https://www.justfacts.com/news_face_masks_deadly_falsehoods
Funny how it isn't out of date 9 months later.
So why are some places with high vaccination rates returning to mask mandates? Good question.
With "high hospitalizations and transmission"...
Easy question to answer. Very easy question to answer.
Fake news. Get disease of the unvaccinated I was told by the right-thinkers. Seattle is over90% vaxxed.
The masks will have no impact on that whatsoever.
Wear a mask if you want. Get vaccinated if you want. Leave everyone else alone.
So bring back the mask mandates. Or don't. It probably won't make one bit of difference in how America weathers the next wave of COVID—it will only pointlessly annoy a lot of people living in certain cities. Wearing a mask is a personal choice at this point—and no mandate will change that reality.
This is what we call real, swingin'-dick libertarianism where I come from.
Here's some headlines from a tepid, dithering libertarian rag:
Telford and the moral depravity of political correctness
How eco-lunacy crushed Sri Lanka
Boris has failed to fight wokeness
The case for a culture warrior PM
(To be libertarian is to sit by the sidelines and snicker, then hope to get invited to the progressive cocktail party after)
Roe, Oslo and pronoun badges
How Halifax went woke
Literature is being terrorised by cancel culture
Identity politics is breathing new life into anti-Semitism
I would amend that next to last one. Woke writing, ie propaganda, is not literature any more than Soviet-approved writings.
Literature entertains, or speaks unpleasant truths, or educates, or does any number of things which change the reader. Wokature merely passes time and confirms what you have already been told to believe in previous wokature.
Other than wanting the PM to somehow fight cultural issues these are all perfectly libertarian stances.
Being libertarian means you think people have the right to do things if they aren't harming someone else. It doesn't mean you aren't allowed to disagree with them, argue or disdain their actions. It doesn't mean that you're a moral or cultural relativist.
They aren’t really “stances” at all. They are libertarian-ish virtue signaling, slightly different in details, but not in nature, from progressive virtue signaling.
on what planet is spiked online libertarian? They certainly don't define themselves as libertarian. They come to the same conclusions as libertarians in some areas (e.g., free speech), but they diverge from a lot of libertarian ideology on a lot of other aspects (e.g., just about any time they talk about economics).
Its just an annoyance when you kneel on your knees.
“ This is what we call real, swingin'-dick libertarianism where I come from”
Where you come from? You mean your mom’s vag?
Come up with an argument next time. You have none.
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This NYT story mentions that recruiting in the Southeast — which supplies a “disproportionate share of recruits” — is struggling but doesn’t go into why.
It does, however, mention the impact the COVID vaccine mandate has had on recruiting.
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I heard there’s been an increase in violent bear in trunks attacks in LA, so this is a reasonable policy.
Obligatory.
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That soy ain't right
How about this for an analogy?
Let's say I'm a glacier and you are bedrock, I've been crushing you for 10k years but then, all the sudden, global warming, so I may melt but look at all the damage! And I forgot my point . . . .
But eventually there are a bunch of walleye in lakes in Wisconsin.
If they don't push back against this, it's their own fault.
Just in time for the midterms.
I've said it before, but Dems are vicious opportunists.
The mask is simultaneously a signal of virtue, sign of political affiliation and a useless talisman that provides false comfort.
If you're into that, by all means wear it. If not, the government has no business forcing you to.
They think it's a virtue signal, when the reality is that it functions far more as a dunce cap.
Lol facts
I heard a radio ad in California last week, with two young people planning to attend an event. One asks the other "what's the mask for? there's no mandate any more?" The other one replies "but there will be a lot of people, and it's indoors, and the mask will just make me feel better".
I laughed out loud at them admitting it's all about feeling better, and not citing any claimed effectiveness.
Last year was my first year teaching 5th grade. I sucked for many many reasons, but the easiest ine to fix would be to ditch mask madates. My school has not yet told me if we are going to require masks this year. If we do...I think I will quit.
You should quit anyway.
As does any sensible person. You're not one of them.
I live in Los Angeles County. 15-20% of people still wear masks indoors AND outdoors, like at the park I visit regularly in Torrance. I flew into the airport last week, and halfway there the flight crew announced there was a mask mandate at LAX. In the airport itself, a only third of people obeyed the mandate. I have no plans to put on a face diaper again for anything besides necessary services, i.e., the doctor and dentist. If the business in the Los Angeles city require masks, I'll go elsewhere in the county, like I did before.
If you don't practice herding sheep, your skills decline.
But....but....the Emergency™ has never, ever, been declared officially over.
New variants! More transmissible! One even makes you sweat at night (unless that's just July in California)! And now they're vaccine immune, so get (another) booster! And schedule your follow-up booster while you're there! Cases are rising -- time to renew the mask mandates (because they worked so well last time)!
Our overlords only issue mandates because the word "diktat" has been outlawed for government use by the Ministry of Obfuscation.
The mask mandate makes it easier for the ballot harvesters to identify Democrat voters.
I haven't worn my cloth mask in two years and since that time it has laid on my car's front seat. Is it still sanitary to wear and prevent infection?
It's probably as effective as it ever was.
It's more sanitary now, thanks to the sun's UV rays.
I blame the 19th amendment.
"...Hospitalizations now exceed 10 per 100,000 residents in Los Angeles County, the threshold where indoor masking in public spaces becomes mandatory under the county's pandemic mitigation plans..."
1/100th of 1%. Mull on that a bit.
And it just 'becomes mandatory'. Nobody actually making a decision who can be held responsible, just 'the manual says to do this'.
But it's so much fun for the ruling class to see the proles walking around wearing masks while the privileged have maskless dinners at the French Laundry.
I still see some maskers around here. They are almost exclusively white/Asian females and are of two types: (1) OCD mommy who masks her kids too (2) over 50 neurotic/antisocial. No question what their political preference is.
The main group of maskers here are the 20 somethings who mask together as a couple. And mostly doing things where there is zero need for them to be doing the same thing eg grocery shopping rather than eating at a restaurant.
Yes about the same here - other group is really obese folks who haven't done anything to better themselves in over 2 years.
"...Hospitalizations now exceed 10 per 100,000 residents in Los Angeles County, the threshold where indoor masking in public spaces becomes mandatory under the county's pandemic mitigation plans..."
Further, the Constitution allows which branch of the Fed Gov to "mandate" the wearing of masks by the populace?
Mask mandates have little to do with public safety. The mask mandates are a symbol of control or a test of how far the public can be pressed before we resist.
If health was the primary goal then the narrative would be focused on the public working toward better health at a personal level. Eat less, exercise, reduce stress. These three items will make more of an impact that the mask mandates ever will.
Of course there are other items that can improve your health. Reducing consumption of alcohol and tobacco are some quick examples.
If you are sick, don't go out in public. Instead stay home, rest, drink fluids, and get better. Most of us don't like it when a sick person is around us in public. Have the common courtesy you expect from others and stay home.
Don't invade the space of another person without permission. If you are queued up in a line, don't tailgate the next person in line. I'm sure you don't appreciate feeling the breath of the person in back of you, so why would the person in front of you like your breath. Again common courtesy.
If someone makes the personal decision to wear a mask, don't try to determine their motives. All them to make their own personal decisions. Same with people who make the personal decision to not wear a mask. It does not matter if either is virtue signaling or scared to death or not. Everyone need to have the common courtesy to allow people to make their own personal decisions.
For the record, it has been 18 months since CDC Director Rochelle Walensky tearfully predicted “impending doom.” We are still waiting…
And waiting and waiting and .......
And even less than that since “CNN medical analyst Leana Wen” said that the unvaxed should not only be fired from their jobs, but locked in their houses too.
These people are fucking evil.
I have noticed that many people are not masking at all, inside or out, and numbers are going up. You don't know how many people will wear cloth vs. other masks, and masks help. 2 Million cloth masks times 10% efficacy, is more than zero X10%. Many people will wear other style masks that are more efficacious or effective. Less COVID is less COVID.
No, you moron, masks don’t work.
I have also noticed wearing a belt has reduced numbers of covid.
This is demonstrably false:
https://reason.com/2022/02/07/that-study-of-face-masks-does-not-show-what-the-cdc-claims/
Read it.
Masks, social distancing, lock downs etc have nothing to do with "stopping the spread". It is all about power and control. China has exceeded even its own past Marxist lust for power and control proving there is no limit as to how far the communists will go for control. The same goes for the communists inside the CDC and White House.
Fauci is a sadistic psychopath, a corrupted old megalomaniac with delusions of godhood and a false sense of self importance.
Walensky is suffering from libido dominandi. The lust to dominate and control.
The worst of it all is that the CDC, FDA and NIH are all so corrupt and clearly owned by big pharma as is the MSM.
Past time to drain the swamp.
It's amazing how the "follow the science" crowd just willfully ignores a massive real-world experiment with tens of millions of participants, showing that states with mask mandates had pretty much the same seasonal highs and lows in COVID-19 cases as states that didn't.
Silicon Valley is finally starting to see the mask worriers dropping below 50%, long after the mandate expired. I'm afraid they will follow LA this fall though, just in time for school.
I took a trip to Las Vegas recently, and masks were almost non-existent, maybe 1%.
Every single bit of credible science agrees that masks reduce the spread of infections. Mask mandates don't work in places with nutcases who won't comply. Mask wearing unquestionably works.
Wear your mask voluntarily like a decent human being and there will be no need for mandates. Or be scum, and kill people because you're scum.
“Credible science” = science credible to you. You don’t know the first thing about science .
"...Wear your mask voluntarily like a decent human being and there will be no need for mandates. Or be scum, and kill people because you're scum."
Fuck off and die, lefty asshole.
That's funny - do it and we won't do mandates you don't actually believe in freedom do you?
This is demonstrably false:
https://reason.com/2022/02/07/that-study-of-face-masks-does-not-show-what-the-cdc-claims/
Masks are ineffective and not wearing one does not kill people, contrary to your popular belief.
Good and hard.
Mask mandates don't make a difference, according to studies, but that's because anywhere sane - outside the US - by the time masks are mandated, everyone's voluntarily wearing them already - except the selfish, murderous nutjobs who won't wear them even with mandates.
That masks themselves are effective in lessening the spread of infectious diseases is utterly unquestionable, and absolutely, indisputably established by every scientific study into masks ever done. Even most of the pseudo-science admits that much. Like up and down, black and white, etc., there is just no argument here You make yourself look like you're not just stupid, but crazy with it, if you try and insist otherwise.
If you think masks are an unwarranted imposition on your freedom, you are a) wrong and b) scum. Please kill yourself. You are a blight on the world.
"...If you think masks are an unwarranted imposition on your freedom, you are a) wrong and b) scum. Please kill yourself. You are a blight on the world."
Eat shit and die, you pathetic pile of lefty shit.
Umm, no. When the mandates ended we all quit wearing them around here. You don't even argue about the studies based on the US. Please explan. You only wish the facts you claim are true. But I guess that is why you are still wearing a mask inside and out.
Signed.
Scum without a mask.
It worked in Japan, South Korea and Taiwan
They actually haven't. All three experienced spikes in COVID cases.
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Better safe than sorry. What's the harm, comrade?
Having a more difficult time interacting for one. You know that
LOL Mid-terms are coming. Fuck masks and fuck mask mandates.