Some Patients Report Being Denied Autoimmune Drugs over Abortion Fears
Paralyzing caution reveals the risks of vague anti-abortion legislation.
In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, a woman in Virginia and a doctor in Chicago say that access to a drug widely used for treating autoimmune disorders is being restricted over abortion concerns.
Methotrexate is used to treat both cancer and various autoimmune disorders. The American College of Rheumatology describes it as "one of the most effective and commonly used medications in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis and other forms of inflammatory arthritis, and also may be used to treat lupus, inflammatory myositis, vasculitis, and some forms of childhood arthritis."
But it's also used in an obstetric context to terminate ectopic pregnancies, which are pregnancies that result from an embryo implanting in tissue outside the uterus. These nonviable pregnancies are "a significant cause of pregnancy-related mortality and morbidity" and the "leading cause of hemorrhage-related mortality," according to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology.
Since the Supreme Court handed down its ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the decision that overturned Roe, one female lupus patient in Virginia and a rheumatology doctor in Chicago say that access to methotrexate has been hindered.
According to The Los Angeles Times, Becky Schwarz, a woman with the autoimmune disorder lupus, was denied her regular Methotrexate refill by her rheumatologist, who directly cited "the reversal of Roe v. Wade." Lupus can cause symptoms ranging from joint pains to a butterfly rash on the face, fevers, fatigue, hair loss, chest pain, and sores. To make matters more confusing, Schwarz lives in Virginia—a state where abortion is currently legal with no restrictions up to the end of the second trimester.
"i've never had an abortion but my access to healthcare has changed because Roe was overturned." Schwarz tweeted. "in less than one week i lost access to healthcare that i need because the drug could be used to induce abortions. it took 144 hours for me to have less safe healthcare because Roe was overturned."
It is not clear why Schwarz's doctor would no longer prescribe her the drug, or whether it's an isolated incident or an example of a trend. The Los Angeles Times piece reported only one other specific incident, shared with the reporter by Chicago physician Cuoghi Edens, regarding an 8-year-old girl in Texas whose pharmacist "initially refused to dispense" methotrexate because "Females of possible child bearing potential have to have diagnosis on hard copy with state abortion laws."
The American College of Rheumatology wrote on twitter that it is investigating whether and to what extent "rheumatology providers and patients are experiencing any widespread difficulty accessing methotrexate, or if any initial disruptions are potentially temporary and due to the independent actions of pharmacists trying to figure out what is and isn't allowed where they practice."
Reason reached out to the American College of Rheumatology for further comment, but did not receive a response by time of publication.
After her tweets drew media attention Schwarz wrote, "i would also like to clarify that this may be temporary in my state. i think some places are seeing large over corrections to avoid legal trouble." She continued, "if this is happening in a blue state with no trigger law, think of those in red states where abortion isn't even legal. and those states that have trigger laws causing extreme and immediate loss of access."
If these two cases are true, they tell us something important regardless of whether they are indicative of a larger trend: broadly written prohibitions create compliance confusion and impose unanticipated burdens on people who were not the intended targets of the ban.
As more states work to ban or limit abortion, lawmakers will need to take seriously the risks of writing laws too broadly and too vaguely. When anti-abortion legislation promises to punish wrongdoing, but doesn't precisely explain who can be punished and for what, the rational response for an uncertain provider or pharmacist is to err on the side of caution, in these cases, at the expense of patients.
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I’m a doctor here. I’m calling this story bullshit. No rheumatologist refuses to prescribe Methotrexate because they are afraid of Roe policing. Hogwash.
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I was wondering when the attempt to take the medical license of said doctor was going to begin.
Ectopic pregnancies are also not an issue post-Dobbs. Ending those has never been forbidden.
Leftists are more than willing to kill folks for their narrative.
Are autoimmune drugs banned in France, too?
Only for Citroens and Renaults.
"'i've never had an abortion but my access to healthcare has changed because Roe was overturned.' Schwarz tweeted."
No, you lost access to your meds because your doctor is an idiot. Or an activist. Or both.
Also, treatment for ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. It's an emergency medical treatment for a life-threatening condition. Even mentioning ectopic pregnancies in the same sentence as abortions makes you an idiot. Or an activist. Or both.
Explain these things to your idiot politicians!!! And... Would you trust the below politicians to make your medical decisions for you?
Just a few useful links: https://reason.com/2022/05/06/ending-roe-threatens-more-than-abortion-rights/ “Ending Roe Threatens More Than Abortion Rights”… This lists some less-well-known “collateral damage” that may soon come to pass about… Also see https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-medicine/what-the-life-of-the-mother-might-mean-in-a-post-roe-america What the “Life of the Mother” Might Mean in a Post-Roe America
“We are going to see more deaths and more injuries,” Ghazaleh Moayedi, an ob-gyn in Dallas, said. “I don’t have to speculate about that at all.”
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Excuse me. That should be ackshually. Thank you. Carry on.
Also see https://www.wired.com/story/roe-fall-limit-screening-fatal-congenital-conditions/ “Roe’s Fall Will Limit Screening for Fatal Congenital Conditions”. Self-righteous anti-abortion fanatics may soon heap HUGE helpings of extra grief on parents who will be FORCED to have Mom carry a soon-dead to birth! Shall we ALSO rub Mom’s nose in her forced futile efforts, in the form of the dead baby? Would THAT help satisfy your punishment boners as well?
Chelsea Becker mentioned in The Guardian, “She was jailed for losing her pregnancy.” Happens a LOT, already! Jailed for 12, 16 months, in cases mentioned here. It WILL happen some more, especially if “R” Party gets its way here! Victims are the poor and powerless as usual. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/03/california-stillborn-prosecution-roe-v-wade ... “Say her name”, people!
“If Roe is overturned, the ripples could affect IVF and genetic testing of embryos, experts warn.” https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/06/roe-v-wade-preimplantation-genetic-testing-ivf-clinics/ Anti-abortionists just LOVE the babies SOOO much, that parents with serious genetic defects will now chose NOT to have babies at ALL! Also note that the freezer(s) at IVF clinics sometimes fail, embryos thaw out unexpectedly, and are thereby “killed”! In the new regime of things, prepare for the finger of blame (“murderers!”) to be pointed at the utility companies and manufacturers of freezers and back-up generators! The lawyers will now make YOU, the consumer, pay a LOT more for these things!
The above are worthy reads! SOME late-term pregnancies are GUARANTEED to NOT yield a baby that you can take home! Women WILL die, for lack of late-term abortions! (What is better, a few minutes or hours for a doomed infant (outside of the womb), plus a dead mom, or a living mom, who can live for many more years? Maybe even give birth to HEALTHY babies, later on?).
And do you want POLITICIANS to decide, instead of moms and their doctors? Speaking of clueless politicians, see https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/idaho-republican-anti-abortion-swallow-camera , “Anti-abortion lawmaker gets anatomy lesson – women cannot swallow camera for exam.” (“Pill-cam”). It seems Idaho representative Vito Barbieri wasn’t listening in the third grade, when another student asked the teacher, “If babies come from mommy’s tummy, how come they don’t get digested?” And he’s not done ANY even vaguely serious studying of health matters since then, either! This clearly shows the UTTER medical ignorance of many power-hungry politicians, who would STILL over-regulate medicine, in order to pander to fanatics! Ignorance for the win, over decency, humility, and self-restraint!
More lovelies from Republican politicians: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/politicians-learned-anything-since-clayton-williamss-campfire-rape-joke/ “Bad weather is like rape, he (Clayton Williams) said; “if it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.” And “raped women can’t get pregnant”, they say! https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/idaho-lawmaker-still-thinks-rape-cant-result-pregnancy-and-its-2016/ “Nielson’s comments echoed those of former Missouri Rep. Todd Akin, who once memorably said on a television interview, ‘If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.’”
Republican “facts” and “logic” summarized: Abortion-prohibiting laws will need NO exceptions for rape, because raped women don’t get pregnant! If raped women DO get preggers, it MUST mean that they ENJOYED it, so it wasn’t REALLY rape, then, was it?
Now tell me that doctors are idiots for NOT trusting the politicians? Can you REALLY?
Now tell me that doctors are idiots for NOT trusting the politicians? Can you REALLY?
I guess that 180 degree pivot must have happened last tuesday.
After endless school and training, would YOU trust politicians to NOT be stupid with your Doctor's license (and revoke it), and your freedom? READ the links I listed on just HOW stupid the politicians can be!!!
No, you lost access to your meds because your doctor is an idiot. Or an activist. Or both.
It reminds me how, in the run up to Obergefell, suddenly every homosexual from every corner of the country knew somebody who's partner had been barred access from an ER/OR. Suddenly, every medical doctor, except Fauci, was potentially a closeted anti-gay bigot despite the fact that they would, per hospital policy, stand for hours steeping their hands in a homosexual (or foreign, or other gender, or other creed...) patient's blood in order to save the patient's life, but wouldn't let their partners into the operating room because, uh, phobia.
Or they are lying. Like activists tend to do.
Yeah, that's a pretty good possibility too.
Doubt
Yeah, I'm throwing the bullshit flag on this one. "Bro, trust me" from media outlets doesn't carry much credibility in 2022.
We also had that one activist abortion doctor in Indiana who said she had to help a 10-year-old from Ohio because she couldn't be treated there, and it turned out it was a complete lie, with no evidence to support it.
Then, the WaPo fact checker rated the story as 'factual' anyway, because it had been widely reported.
People say crazy things sometimes. We should be skeptical of single accounts from individual people, especially when they are presented without evidence.
https://notthebee.com/article/the-ohio-attorney-general-just-said-theres-no-proof-that-the-viral-10-year-old-abortion-patient-story-ever-happened-and-honestly-im-starting-to-think-it-mightve-been-made-up
Came here to note this.
"some patients" and "reportedly" and "If it turns out..."
Go do some fucking reporting, Reason. Prove the patient exists, ask them questions, talk to the doctor, and if you can't do that then it's all bullshit and you know it.
I cannot imagine any doctor actively treating Lupis pulling this bullshit. Especially a continuing prescription. Especially in Virginia where there's no abortion ban. Especially when the only "named" doctor in the article is one in Chicago talking about some generic, random girl in Texas. This reads like propaganda, period! A good reporter should tear that LA Times report apart and prove it truth or fiction for us.
Fuck, man, do some actual reporting here.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/not-the-bee/ FYI... I am looking some more...
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/07/05/abortion-10-year-old-rape-victim-ohio/
Did Ohio’s Abortion Ban Force a 10-Year-Old Rape Victim to Travel to Indiana?
This story is developing
The story went viral after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.
Bethania Palma
Published 5 July 2022
Updated 13 July 2022
Updated [July 13, 2022]: This story was updated to reflect reporting by the Columbus Dispatch that a man has been arrested and charged with rape in connection to the case in question.
SQRLSY comment: Man arrested? On totally made-up bullshit? HOW can that BE? I thought that you right-wing wrong-nuts believe that getting arrested and-or charged is PROOF of your guilt, usually!!!
PS, "On July 13, 2022, The Columbus Dispatch, however, reported that a man accused of impregnating the child had been arrested. Gerson Fuentes, 27, was arrested and charged with rape, according to that newspaper. He said he raped the child on “at least two occasions,” and Columbus police Det. Jeffrey Huhn confirmed that that child indeed had an abortion in Indianapolis on June 30."
ALL of the cops and ALL of the papers are LYING to us!!! Lizard People Mind Control, I'm a-tellin' ya!!!
Caution here, the press after being called out for reporting rumor actually got off their asses and did some work.
Apparently someone was arrested for raping a 10 yr old girl.
Just gloss over the part where the Ohio heartbeat "ban" wouldn't have applied anyway, but man it makes for a great story, don't it?
I mean, that's kind of a big part of the story, right? That she had to 'cross state lines' to get treatment? That's how the Indiana doctor allegedly knew about it.
Oh definitely. The media reports that a 10- yr old girl is raped and had to leave ohio because she would have been forced to carry the baby to term-- without providing ANY evidence that it actually happened.
People who are capable of reading more than 140 characters at a time rightly questioned this alarming case due to lack of evidence from the media that reported it.
A week later, the press is able to find someone arrested for raping a 10 yr old girl... media breathes sigh of relief that their story lacking in any real facts turns out that there was actually a raped 10 yr old. But then quietly glosses over the fact that this case wouldn't fallen within the parameters of an abortion ban.
Also note that the article cleverly removes the name of the man arrested. I had to dig elsewhere to find his name: Gershon Fuentes.
I'm guessing that the media at this point is hoping to God that he isn't an illegal immigrant.
I'm guessing that the media at this point is hoping to God that he isn't an illegal immigrant.
I don't think you're considering the full possibility of the abject own-dick stomping narrative the WaPo may be trying to tightrope over.
I, of course, have more fanciful ones but let's just start with two particularly neato assumptions:
1. Fuentes is obviously guilty.
2. Fuentes, the descendant of a long line of Ohio Fuenteses, almost certainly raped a 10-yr.-old girl who happens to be the descendant of a long line of Ohio Joneses or Smiths or Reynoldses.
I feel compelled to add a third point:
I wish beyond wish that a parent wouldn't ignore the rape of a 10-yr.-old girl until she's six weeks pregnant. I also wish beyond wishing that I wouldn't even have to consider a parent and a medical professional (or several) condoning such a situation for political notoriety. I similarly wish beyond wishing that parents and medical professionals wouldn't chemically and surgically castrate their children for political notoriety too, but it's 2022.
I simply wish that self-righteous Nosenheimers and Buttinskies would NOT be "compassionate" with the wombs of OTHER people, who they don't even know!
Well son of a motherfucking bitch. Now I know why various outlets are NOT printing his name:
FUUUCK! Out of the frying pan an into the fire, eh journalism?
Hell, at this point I wouldn't put it past them to have convinced some Soros-funded DA to find some patsy to arrest for this crime to cover for them.
In a few months he can quietly have the charges dropped - no harm no foul, right?
Now I have to ask, did somebody or some organization pay the girl and her family to go to Indiana to have her abortion?
you get to blame this one on a minority :)))) oh happy day!!
It is ALWAYS those people over THERE at fault, yes! Now immigrunt illegal sub-humans will take the rap! NEVER taking the rap? Right-wing wrong-nut Nosenheimers and Buttinskies, who just LOVE to self-righteously be "compassionate" with the wombs of OTHER people! (People they don't even know, and whose circumstances they don't know either, of course. "Humility"? WTF is THAT?!?!)
You guys can't help yourself when it comes to defending suspected child rapists can you?
That's "hero" in leftist
That's Mr. President to you.
But apparently "Pedo Peter" to his son
There are many here who take no pleasure in watching the media yank itself around by the dog-chain of their own narratives.
I take lots of pleasure in watching them flail about.
He didn’t blame it on a minority, he made an educated guess based on the media’s complete incompetence, past biases, and the narrative that they choose to pursue.
Illegal...er undocumented to boot. What was that Trump quote again?
We. Are. Not. Tacos.
Then WHY are you ALL SOOOO MUCH "eaten up" by the illegal sub-human Mexicans devouring your head-space? THE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE EATING YOU, TACO, AND YOU'RE DENYING IT ALL!!! WAKE UP, before you're all gone!!!
I used to be TACOS... Totally Alienated 'Cause Of Silliness... I saw illegal sub-human aliens looking at me through my bedroom window, I saw them staring at me when I was taking a shower, and even lurking under my bed! And then I got SOOO alienated that the illegal sub-human aliens started EATING my head-space, and then my BRAINS!!!
And then I noticed that the illegal sub-human aliens were actually HUMANS just like me!!! Who were actually real PEOPLE with ambitions, feelings, and the ability to do hard work for other people, if only we would engage with them as if they were what they are, which is real people!
So I stopped being TACOS, and I stopped getting eaten up! I am feeling MUCH better now, thanks!
Man I almost feel sorry for Journalism. They can't catch a break lately.
AFAICT, it's a bit like feeling sorry for the tail that gets caught by the dog.
"If these two cases are true" is doing an awful lot of work in this article. Couldn't the reporter have maybe actually investigated before turning a couple of unsubstantiated twitter complaints into an "article"? Maybe called the doctor for the other side of the story?
We're not just "stealing a base" in this article, we broke into the stadium while there wasn't a game in session and ran around the bases 200 times before we were escorted out by security.
I mean it's probably just another horse paste anyway.
>>If these two cases are true
if we just ask the Wizard of Oz
Bullshit. The LA Times notes:
In the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, a woman in Virginia and a doctor in Chicago say that access to a drug widely used for treating autoimmune disorders is being restricted over abortion concerns.
Oh for fuck sakes. Now America's entire healthcare regime was wholly dependent on the widest reading of a 1974 Supreme Court decision.
Dear Mrs. Sharpe:
Normally my office would prescribe Ibuprofin for your headache, but Ipuprofin is one of the drugs used for relieve in menstrual cramps, such as Midol. Menstruation, being very much closely associated with female reproductive health means that any drugs which provide a modification to the symptoms or effects of a reproductive system affect on the body are now possibly banned.
Therefore, taking Ibuprofin to relieve any menstrual cramps could be interpreted as an abortion and as such, we cannot provide you with any healthcare related to this area of your discomfort.
Sincerely,
Dr. Nina Totenberg.
PS. Will we be seeing you at the Womyn's March this year?
cc: Brian.Stelter@CNN.com
In fairness, Roe is hardly the only case where SCOTUS played the part of a cat of nine tails reason and common sense specifically so politicians could fuck the pooch good and hard:
cat of nine tails *on* reason and common sense
A doctor suddenly worries about inducing spontaneous abortion in a female patient, only after the repeal of Roe v. Wade? His malpractice carrier may want to review his level of risk. Some patients may actually want to give birth, and wouldn't appreciate being given methotrexate while pregnant. He is clearly an activist, and this is BS of the highest order.
Yeah, imagine a doctor that prescribed medicine and didn't give two fucks about inducing an accidental miscarriage because Roe was firmly ensconced.
"Some patients report"
LOL
People who have lupus are obviously part of the Cult of Murder and hate Amurica!
Kill yourself
Wow Just when I was in the mood to defend Reason. 🙁
Reason reached out to the American College of Rheumatology for further comment, but did not receive a response by time of publication.
I think this was a time you should have just waited a little longer. This is one of those things I would be skeptical of.
I wonder if Reason uses the WaPo style guide clock for response: Send an email 10 minutes before publication and when you don't get an answer by the time you hit 'submit', they never responded.
Considering we're on a website that is focused on opinion journalism, they should be even more inundated against hot takes. They don't have to be timely. They're not a news website.
Warning label on methotrexate;
"Methotrexate may cause injury or death to an unborn baby and should not be used during pregnancy to treat arthritis or psoriasis. Methotrexate can harm an unborn baby if the mother or the father is using this medicine.
If you are a woman, you may need to have a negative pregnancy test before starting this treatment. Use effective birth control to prevent pregnancy while you are using methotrexate and for at least 6 months after your last dose."
So this would say methotrexate should never be prescribed to any women who could become pregnant.
Lots of medications have had these warnings for at least my entire adult life. I fail to see how Roe being overturned changed that.
Agreed. Pharmaceuticals come with pages of instructions and cautions. Many prescription drugs have warnings against administering them to pregnant women.
Nothing new about this except it's another reason for the pro-abortion crowd to set their hair on fire.
Bad news, babe. There is recent evidence that effective drugs would be withheld if their use impacts "the narrative".
If it's happening in a blue state with no trigger law, stop and consider the possibility that it has nothing to do with Dobbs.
That line alone should have put lie to the idea that this has anything to do with Roe being overturned and should have made anyone do a double take.
That and which trigger law bans removing an ectopic pregnancy?
"According to The Los Angeles Times"
Emma, here is your first mistake. The LA Times has a fan page for VP Harris; which is creppy and very inappropriate for a media organization. Just like the NYT and the Wash Post, you should take anything said in the LA Times with a gargantuan size piece of salt.
"‘Frustrated’ young women are trying to get sterilized after overturning of Roe"
https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/young-women-trying-to-get-sterilized-after-overturning-of-roe/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
There's this awesome little tidbit in there:
"For Downs, who attends college in Massachusetts and is wary of taking hormonal birth control due to the possible side effects, the Supreme Court’s decision has created additional urgency around getting the procedure done."
Wary of taking hormonal birth control. I wonder if she's vaxxed and quadruple boosted.
Sterilizing yourself is a totally sane and not at all the stomping of a small child’s feet response to Roe getting overturned.
Also, literally ZERO chance of any complications from surgery. Zero risk.
At least they are removing themselves from the gene pool
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1547246661071785984?t=h_VLxnsmwf53trM2gVJSGw&s=19
House Oversight Democrat abortion witness:
"My abortion was the best decision I ever made. It was an act of self love."
[Video]
Docs really aren’t as smart as people think they are.
Docs saying and doing stupid things is not a basis on which to form an opinion.
Docs really aren’t as smart as people think they are.
It really is
scaryfunnyinterestinggetting to the point of being tiresomely annoying how fast Reason will spin on its heel between "The FDA is junk" and "Some doctors say they can't get autoimmune drugs" (and other scientistic/medicalistic reporting), like it doesn't even occur to them that the doctors at the FDA and the doctors saying they can't get autoimmune drugs might be of the exact same political and ideological bent.