The U.S. Government Had What It Needed To Prevent the Spread of Monkeypox. It Happened Anyway.
Foot-dragging and red tape by the CDC and the FDA have fueled an avoidable outbreak.

Monkeypox arrived in the U.S. in May, and it appears as though, despite the last two years of dealing with an epidemic that pretty much shut down the entire country, federal agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are still falling on their faces in response.
In the two months since the first case of monkeypox was discovered, the U.S. has seen at least 800 more people infected, and that's likely an undercount due to lack of testing.
Monkeypox is a viral disease spread primarily among humans by close skin-to-skin contact or exchange of bodily fluids. (This includes sex, but to be clear, it's not just a sexually-transmitted disease.) It starts with symptoms similar to the flu, leading to painful rashes and lesions that can last for weeks. Fortunately, it's typically not fatal, and there have been no U.S. deaths reported. The virus originated in Africa and spread once to the U.S. in 2003. This latest outbreak spread to Europe and then to the U.S.
The U.S. knows how to treat monkeypox. We have vaccines to prevent it, approved by the FDA in 2019. And yet, here we are watching a virus spread because apparently, the government is unable to effectively operate a program to respond in a timely fashion to an emergency.
NPR reports that the reason the infection rate is likely undercounted is that the CDC was not prepared to roll out testing and vaccinations, even though we've known it was coming for some time.
But it gets worse. We have many of the vaccinations we need to stop the spread. We have more than 1 million doses of vaccines sitting in a warehouse in Denmark. Why are they still there after the virus arrived in the U.S. two months ago? Tiresome and now-familiar red tape from the FDA.
New York magazine reports that we've gotten 300,000 doses of the drug, Jynneos, from the manufacturer, Bavarian Nordic. Those doses came from facilities in Denmark that had been inspected by the FDA. But then Bavarian Nordic opened a new facility and started stockpiling vaccinations there. In order for those drugs to be shipped to the U.S., the FDA must inspect the facility first. It had not. The company had planned to apply for an inspection in August. Given the situation, they've moved up the inspection to the start of July. It's actually happening right now while the virus spreads across the United States. Only then will those drugs be allowed to be distributed here.
And it gets even dumber. The facility has been inspected by the European Medicines Agency, which determined that is in compliance with both Europe and U.S. standards. But the FDA will not recognize the E.U.'s inspections and insists on its own before allowing the vaccines to be shipped here. An FDA spokesperson told New York magazine that this delay will not affect the availability of the vaccine.
That claim seems not entirely credible, given that New York magazine's piece opens with an injection of reality: In New York City, clinics ran out of vaccination doses almost immediately when offering them in June. People couldn't get shots, and the result was that infections spread around via close contact among gay men during Pride festivities.
But to be clear, while monkeypox may be centered in major cities and among gay men, cases have spread across the whole country and have been found in nearly every state and even Puerto Rico. Given the undercounting and lack of testing, it's probably all over the U.S. by now.
The lack of apparent real urgency by the FDA has been noticed. From New York magazine:
"My impression is that there is very little coordination and leadership across the U.S. government about what's going on here," says a former senior U.S. official who has been in touch with the White House over the past few weeks about the monkeypox response. "It feels to me like there's nobody in charge of this. Who is driving this forward?"
The whole affair seems not unlike what happened with the baby formula crisis, where even as the U.S. was hit with a shortage, FDA regulations made it next to impossible to import perfectly safe formula from Europe. In this case, the culprit is not protectionist policies and tariffs designed to favor U.S. manufacturers. Nevertheless, even in an obvious crisis, the FDA can't move quickly enough to stop an epidemic that we already have the drugs to prevent.
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As long as your not having a ton of unprotected sex with random men you have nothing to worry about... Oh wait
Given the disease is a known risk, and comes from skin to skin contact with someone having open pox sores all over them, I have no sympathy for people who can't control their libido.
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I knew this would end up on Shackford's beat.
Defund the FDA
(balance the budget)
Of course the FDA can't take the EU's word for it that the facilities pass both EU and FDA requirements; the FDA hasn't inspected the EU inspectorate yet.
Maybe Trump was seen leaving the building right as the FDA inspectors got there.
You can’t take the EU’s word for anything. And they hate the US.
If EU bureaucrats can “accidentally” spoil a batch of vaccines going to Americans, they may well do that.
Paranoia runs deep with this one, combined with a lack of understanding of bureaucracies, in spite of the incompetence demonstrated these last few years.
The EU is germanys 4th riche. The are absolutely evil
The 4th Reich isn't Germany's. It's not under the control of any nation state, it's run by a politburo consisting of totalitarian scumbags who got voted out at the national level.
-jcr
The EU consistently holds votes and forces member states to keep voting until they get the vote that Germany wants.
That’s not paranoia, it’s spending years in that benighted place.
And, yes, they are incompetent. As in “It’s not my job to check that vaccine shipments to the US are properly refrigerated or shipped. The US isn’t subject to EU consumer protections. Sure, Pierre, get the cheapest truck you can find to get it over to the other warehouse.”
despite the last two years of dealing with an epidemic that pretty much shut down the entire country, federal agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are still falling on their faces in response.
After the past 2 years, this should come as no surprise to anyone. The CDC and FDA have failed in just about every way imaginable as regards covid and still you think that they can be expected to do anything right?
I literally don't get it. See my comment below. All they had to do was lockdown America, provide an emergency authorization for any bottle of liquid marked "Vaxxeen" and then mandated it. That's literally the playbook. They could have gone with that and at least half the country would have enthusiastically approved of their actions while screeching that the other half are science deniers.
"People couldn't get shots, and the result was that infections spread around via close contact among gay men during Pride festivities."
I learned in college it's HOMOPHOBIC to blame gay men for the health problems associated with their notoriously promiscuous behavior. Blame government instead. AIDS, for example, is Ronald Reagan's fault.
Since Biden and Fauci are awesome, I'll blame monkeypox on Drumpf and #DeathSantis.
#ILoveScience
Is LadyDick susceptible to MonkeyPox?
#Asking4ASpecialFriend
"And yet, here we are watching a virus spread because apparently, the government is unable to effectively operate a program to respond in a timely fashion to an emergency."
Is that why we're watching it spread? Or is it because certain elements of the gay community insist on being promiscuous despite a very real threat of disease currently circulating primarily among gay men?
Definitely the former. Didn't you see the CDC suggesting masking because it "may be aerosolized". It's obviously everyone else's fault.
Proof positive gayness is not about love.
The U.S. Government Had What It Needed To Prevent the Spread of Monkeypox. It Happened Anyway.
A pamphlet that read "Gay Anal Sex in Bath Houses is Risky"?
And it gets even dumber. The facility has been inspected by the European Medicines Agency, which determined that is in compliance with both Europe and U.S. standards. But the FDA will not recognize the E.U.'s inspections and insists on its own before allowing the vaccines to be shipped here. An FDA spokesperson told New York magazine that this delay will not affect the availability of the vaccine.
So... I guess I don't get it. How hard is it to print out "Emergency Authorization Approved" on Rochelle Walensky's HP Laserjet III?
I get the impression that she was an EAA hire.
"Foot-dragging and red tape by the CDC and the FDA have fueled an avoidable outbreak"
Probably unrelated to the month long corporate sponsored globohomo pansexual buttfucking with reckless abandon
>>Nevertheless, even in an obvious crisis, the FDA can't move quickly enough to stop an epidemic
explanations:
1. FDA inept.
2. FDA ept & acting purposefully.
At the same time, preventing Asians from a country that's the origin of a known contagion is racist and everyone everywhere can drop everything and spend "two weeks" in their homes to prevent the spread of a disease with a 99.5+% survival rate, but refraining from engaging in butt sex with someone who's got a rash and lesions until August for a disease that's similarly non-fatal is beyond the pale.
I kinda wish God had just turned them all into piles of salt.
to be fair lol Fauci's record on letting the gay-types perish at the hands of viruses is relatively clear
Do you hear Mallory Archer asking "can't... or won't"?
I'm figuratively shaking right now
last scene w/her & Ron Cadillac literally brought a tear to my eye.
Clearly the commentariat here has no grasp of science.
If you have an effective vaccine, and just let doctors prescribe it, or even worse, let people just go get the vaccines, how in hell can you declare and emergency and issue all the fascist laws you can't get through the legislature?
I expect the FDA & CDC will figure out by mid October that we need to shut down for a couple of months, and let everyone vote by mail, 'just this once'.
I expect the FDA & CDC will figure out by mid October that we need to shut down for a couple of months, and let everyone vote by mail, 'just this once'.
^This^
And if Monkey Pox ends up not doing it, they'll probably discover a new super strain of COVID (that no one anyone knows will actually get, mind you) just in time to lock everyone in their homes for the mid-terms.
They don't even care if anybody follows the restrictions, they just need those mail-in ballots flooding the countryside.
Well, the ballots pretty much just go from the warehouse to the counting house, so no need to confuse the voters with actually seeing them or anything.
Greener that way, you know.
And it gets even dumber.
When the article starts off with "not preventing = causing" and proceeds to "government not preventing = causing" in the context of a not fatal disease that's largely prevented by not engaging in butt sex with someone who has a rash and lesions, no, it really doesn't get much dumber.
I don't like the CDC or the FDA, but you assfuckers are getting exactly what the government you asked for. I don't care which stupid contestant wins the stupid prize.
Outcome-based libertarianism. As long as government overreach works as intended, then more of it please.
A million doses? You need 200 million doses for a vaccine mandate. Just sell the million doses on Amazon.
More specifically they need Pfizer to come up with an all new vaccine that they can mandate instead of the older one. And then have Brian Stelter on Reliable Sources (brought to you by Pfizer - just a coincidence, really!) put out nightly propaganda and call anyone who refuses to get the new vaccine a "science denying alt-right Trump supporter."
Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio needs the help.
"I am Jack's complete lack of surprise."
Maybe we don't need government to be in the business of stopping the spread of diseases? Especially non-fatal diseases that are just inconvenient for a week. I don't want a government that is constantly issuing Health Shutdowns over a case of the sniffles for massive parts of the economy.
I mean, shit, the FDA closed down a manufacturing plant for baby formula based on actual deaths, but the deaths didn't even have anything to do with the plant. So imagine the disruption if they decide that every single disease is under the authority of the federal government to control.
Monkeypox is now an STD that almost exclusively affects highly promiscuous gay men. I think it’s fairly easy to avoid without government intervention.
Of course the vaccines should be available anyway to anybody willing to pay for them.
That should be the name of the documentary about Biden's presidency.
Monkeypox is a viral disease spread primarily among humans by close skin-to-skin contact or exchange of bodily fluids. (This includes sex, but to be clear, it's not just a sexually-transmitted disease.)
Hey, we redefined herd immunity and vaccines? Fuck it, why have domain-specific definitions of anything at all? Technically, you should be able to contract HIV if someone vomits enough positive blood onto your eyeball so, fuck all notions of bloodborne pathogens and sexually-transmitted diseases. It's Chinatown!
I'm not even clear what the other means of spread are. Is it also a needle spread disease?
From the CDC:
Monkeypox spreads in different ways. The virus can spread from person-to-person through:
direct contact with the infectious rash, scabs, or body fluids
respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact, or
during intimate physical contact, such as kissing, cuddling, or sex
touching items (such as clothing or linens) that previously touched the infectious rash or body fluids
pregnant people can spread the virus to their fetus through the placenta
It’s also possible for people to get monkeypox from infected animals, either by being scratched or bitten by the animal or by preparing or eating meat or using products from an infected animal.
Monkeypox can spread from the time symptoms start until the rash has fully healed and a fresh layer of skin has formed. The illness typically lasts 2-4 weeks. People who do not have monkeypox symptoms cannot spread the virus to others. At this time, it is not known if monkeypox can spread through semen or vaginal fluids.
I see. So, basically skin-to-skin contact with open sores or pregnancy, which seems like most things are shared there so it makes sense.
which seems like most things are shared there so it makes sense
Disagree. No open sores required to spread influenza. However, the above description places it squarely between herpes (simplex) and hepatitis in terms of contact spreading. Presumably, we're avoiding calling it an STD or BBP because there are very valid scientific reasons not to do so and not because we're worried about bursting the bubble of people claiming they got gonorrhea from a tractor.
I meant that "most things are shared during pregnancy" and so things like that spreading makes intuitive sense to me. So, not a really meaningful point on my part. But that's what my word-salad meant.
"...people claiming they got gonorrhea from a tractor."
You forgot a crucial detail. The people have to have been wearing a bathing suit.
I feel like there's a reference missing here.
Look up "Seinfeld tractor story".
I assumed it was rhetorical and the reference degenerate. While The Tractor Story is certainly an enhancement, I was under the impression that "the toilet seat" predated it and was similarly summative of the "I don't know *where* you got that STD, baby, I swear!" con.
no scab licking.
Pregnant people. Good one.
Hey that's your government at work!
pregnant people can spread the virus to their fetus through the placenta
I suppose it's good information whether they're saying "Mothers can transmit the virus to their unborn children" or "Don't try to penetrate somebody else's placenta with your penis."
Don't forget the additional "possibility of transmission via exhaled droplets" while people are close enough together that they're probably having sex at the time anyway.
Without that, they wouldn't have had any basis to recommend masking as a precautionary measure. We're literally into Idocracy at this point (maybe we could just fix it with toilet water....)
The FDA has not yet inspected a facility that they have not yet been asked to inspect.
Those bastards!
It's the FDA's fault I tripped and fell naked onto an ass covered with lesions!
Well it is a judicial ruling that car insurance is responsible for someone getting HPV from f'n in the back seat of their ex's car.
So not a stretch at all.
the FDA must inspect the facility first
We just finished inspecting Abbott's baby formula plant! We need some time off!
/Natl Association of FDA Inspectors
So here is "libertarian" Scott demanding we what, shut down the economy because an election is coming and the polling looks bad so we gotta fake an apocalyptic problem with 800 cases in 2 months?
Who cares?
Scott does because it affects his people.
If The Bloodhound Gang hadn't thoroughly scorched earth the entire genre, I'd say "Scott Shackford and The Big Gay Monkeypox Panic" would make a great band name.
Such poets. Live is short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf.
Brings a tear to your eye.
It doesn't kill anyone and 99.9% of cases are from men having sex with men, so yeah, let's panic and freak out about it.
I keep forgetting - how many billions of tax dollars were/are spent on AIDS?
AIDS at least was a fatal disease.
It was a Doc named Fauci who came up with the idea to push it as an "equal opportunity killer" to sow fear among the general population for a decade. I'm almost amazed they didn't claim that cloth masks would prevent infection back then considering the one-note playbook they seem to be working from.
What's the reason for having those million doses? That's not a huge number, I don't think. So, do they keep it around as a backup in-case a particularly consequential strain happens they can react quickly? I wouldn't really trust the FDA or CDC to react that well in that situation either, but maybe that's the reason.
I have no idea though. Getting them out of the way for all but actual emergencies is probably a good move though.
Producing a memo authorizing a mostly-sexually-transmitted-disease vaccine for the five and under population isn't an easy sell.
Just a few more drag-queen story hours and then we'll have the necessary market penetration.
ISWYDT....
In New York City, clinics ran out of vaccination doses almost immediately when offering them in June. People couldn't get shots, and the result was that infections spread around via close contact among gay men during Pride festivities.
Who got those 300k shots? That's a lot of people. Is this one of those things where a panic ensued and a ton of people just went out and got vaccinated? I'm very curious about that process.
There's also something to be said about the second half of that paragraph, but I don't know if I really care to make it and have that argument. There's some real agency being removed from people here though, and libertarians should be very uncomfortable with that, even if the FDA holds a lot of blame.
they probably gave it to the prison population cause you know they come first and all the icky butt sex stuff
government fucked us on the vax but we said 'fuck it' and fucked anyway because June.
Yeah, the second half of that statement is really something.
The FDA is stupid and the vaccine should be available for anyone who wants it, but it's pretty tough to blame the government for the outbreak if people didn't get a shot and went out and had risky sex anyway.
alternate question is why are non of these Vaccines being made in America considering what we learned form the last two years or is that too zinophobic populist for Reason
Project Warpspeed is looking better and better...
Seriously, how those folks were able to wrangle the government to not get in its own way appears to be nothing short of a miracle.
why didn't anyone warn the fags to go easy on the butt sex with guys with open sores? good lord, smearing feces into open sores WITH YOUR BONER...DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU NOT TO DO THAT!
What Libertarian positions does Scott hold? Is he just the token gay guy at Reason.com?
They aren't all just a little gay?
Doggy style?
The US government will never prevent the spread of anything. I would be happy if it stopped spreading itself. We have a pandemic of government.
Are you deliberately competing for understatement of the year?
The FDA could fuck up a wet dream.
Funny when I looked at the stats weeks ago, in the UK it was 98% gay men who are vaccinated and the other 2% who were woman being lied to by their bisexxual men.
First open case in the UK?
A HIV + white male who had sex with 10 men in 9 days.
Where do I go to support such a lovely Pride Cause?
Is there a Monkey Pox flag or quilt organization I can donate to?
Alllllllllll you vaccinated people have given yourselves VAIDS after your 3rd shot.
The piles of bodies coming will remind many of the Black Plague of 1666.
lol the hypocrisy on display here is overwhelming
Then why read it if you’re so easily triggered?
The incidence of monkeypox is probably less than the incidence of toe fungus, but since toe fungus isn't a risk to "reason's" beloved (hah) sex workers, here we are. 800 cases! Wowsers! Katy bar the (back) door! Panic in the (back) alleys! Fathers lock up your (butt) boys! Baby baby, there's fever in the (bath) house now!
"(This includes sex, but to be clear, it's not just a sexually-transmitted disease.)"
To be clear, it's 99.9% just a sexually transmitted disease.
So it's about as dangerous as the common cold and slightly more transmissible than AIDS - but panic-mongers are proclaiming it the next COVID. The fa(u)cists in government are _really_ desperate to find an excuse to continue their power grabs.
That's like blaming BLM for the increasing crime in urban areas. Don't be crazy, homophobic, or racist.
I don't know what those words mean anymore.