Japan's Gun Restrictions Are Far From Sufficient To Explain Its Low Crime Rate
While gun control enthusiasts rushed to defend Japan's firearm restrictions after Shinzo Abe's assassination, copying that approach in the U.S. is legally, politically, and practically impossible.

The improvised weapon that an assassin used to murder former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe last Friday suggests both the impact and the limitations of strict gun laws that make it nearly impossible to legally possess firearms. If it were easier to buy a gun in Japan, the killer presumably would not have resorted to a homemade, jerry-rigged device consisting of two metal tubes bound together with electrical tape. At the same time, the incident demonstrates that no amount of legislation can prevent someone from obtaining a firearm if he is determined to do so.
Abe's killer constructed a double-barreled weapon that was about 16 inches long, capable of firing two rounds without reloading. The New York Times reports that "it is unknown what kind of ammunition was used." But in a video of the assassination, "two shots can be heard, approximately two and a half seconds apart, with a deep report that suggests they came from a cartridge such as those fired by a shotgun commonly used by civilian hunters." The Guardian reports that police found "several similar homemade weapons" in the killer's home.
While they are less reliable and accurate than factory-produced firearms, such guns can be readily made with materials commonly available from hardware stores. A bigger investment is required for more satisfactory results. But even without prefabricated parts, Reason's J.D. Tuccille notes, a CNC mill like the Ghost Gunner 3 "can turn a raw block of metal into an AR-15 receiver." People also can "use widely available designs to craft a firearm with 3D printers," with results somewhere between the two other options.
"Japan has exceptionally strict regulations that prohibit the average citizen from obtaining a factory-manufactured firearm," the Times notes. "Civilian ownership of firearms, except for those used for hunting purposes, is generally prohibited by the country's Firearms and Swords Control Law."
Times reporter Max Fisher suggests that the assassination, which might look like a failure of Japanese-style gun control, "is a reminder of, and maybe even underscores, those restrictions' success." He notes that the attack was shocking not just because of the high-profile target but also because gun violence is extremely rare in Japan, where civilians owned an estimated 377,000 registered and unregistered firearms in 2017, or about 1 per 300 people. The U.S. ratio at the time was estimated to be about 1.2 per resident, or 400 times as high. Taking into account gun sales since then, the current U.S. ratio is even higher.
That comparison reflects a stark difference in public policies, but it also reflects a stark difference in the facts that policy makers must contend with. Even leaving aside the constraints that the Second Amendment imposes on gun control in the United States, the fact that Americans already own more than 400 million firearms means that copying Japan's approach is not a feasible option.
That reality also means that politically possible options—including widely popular proposals such as "red flag" laws, bans on particular kinds of guns or magazines, and expanded background checks for gun buyers—will have only a marginal impact on access to firearms in the United States. Furthermore, that impact will be felt most by peaceful, law-abiding Americans, since criminals are highly motivated to obtain weapons and have many extralegal ways to get them.
Keeping those points in mind, what does Japan's experience tell us about the effectiveness of gun control? "The country experiences fewer than 10 gun deaths nationwide in most years, compared to tens of thousands in the United States," Fisher writes. "Since 2017, Japan has recorded 14 gun-related deaths, in a country of 125 million people."
Fisher overstates the annual number of firearm homicides in the United States, which in the decade from 2011 through 2020 averaged about 10,500. But he is certainly right that people kill each other with guns much more often in the United States than in Japan. And not just with guns.
In 2017, Japan had the world's lowest homicide rate: 0.2 per 100,000 people, compared to 5.3 per 100,000 in the United States. Nearly 11,000 of the more than 15,000 murders recorded in the U.S. that year, or about 73 percent, involved firearms. Even if none of those gun murders had happened, in other words, the U.S. homicide rate still would have been more than seven times as high as Japan's. And taking into account substitution of weapons, even the impossible feat of eliminating all civilian-held firearms would leave an even larger gap between the two countries.
The relative prevalence of guns clearly is not enough to explain the enormous difference in lethal crime between Japan and the United States. That much is also apparent from comparisons between Japan and other countries with strict gun laws. The homicide rates in Australia, Germany, and the U.K., for example, are several times as high as the homicide rate in Japan, although still a fraction of the U.S. rate. In Russia, which has gun laws substantially stricter than the ones Americans face, homicides are even more common than in the United States.
Japan's gun restrictions do not explain why murders committed with alternative weapons, including knives and blunt objects as well as homemade firearms, are so unusual in that country. Japan's remarkable peacefulness clearly goes far beyond the firearm regulations its legislators have decided to impose.
"Pressure to conform and internalized willingness to do so are much stronger in Japan than in America," Independence Institute gun policy scholar David Kopel noted three decades ago. Kopel argued that "the spirit of conformity provides the best explanation for Japan's low crime rate."
Japan stands out in another way: Its suicide rate is relatively high. In 2019, the rate in Japan was 14.6 per 100,000 people, compared to 13.9 per 100,000 in the United States, 10.5 per 100,000 in Canada, 8.5 per 100,000 in the U.K., and 4.6 per 100,000 in Greece. When it comes to suicide, the scarcity of firearms in Japan does not seem to have had the effect you might expect.
In any case, the urge to defend Japan's firearm restrictions after Abe's assassination, while predictable in the context of the U.S. gun control debate, is beside the point when it comes to practical policy discussions. The same "spirit of conformity" that Kopel saw as important in explaining Japan's low crime rate, he suggested, "also explains why the Japanese people accept strict gun control." By contrast, he said, "a gun ban in America similar to that in Japan would be alien to our society, which for over 300 years has had the world's strongest gun culture." He argued that "Japan's gun laws are part of an authoritarian philosophy of government that is fundamentally at odds with America's traditions of liberty."
Whether or not you buy that analysis, more than 400 million facts on the ground vastly complicate any practical lessons that American policy makers can draw from Japan. Neither those facts nor the constitutional constraints imposed by the Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments can be wished away, no matter how much American gun control enthusiasts might like to pretend otherwise.
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That the Japanese have a strong sense of public shame encourages people not to act like scumbags.
Japan, like Europe and Most of the U.S. have decades of really low murder rates. Then they kill millions in wars and never average that number into their long term statistics. If you average in the wars, Your odds of being killed in Detroit or in France, Italy, Germany over the course of a century are nearly the same.
"Pressure to conform and internalized willingness to do so are much stronger in Japan than in America," Independence Institute gun policy scholar David Kopel noted three decades ago. Kopel argued that "the spirit of conformity provides the best explanation for Japan's low crime rate."
Well, wait a minute. Both non-conformists and conformists can be both criminals and non-criminals. Venn Diagram, please?
And a "spirit of Liberty" wouldn't account for higher crime in a nation, since love of Liberty means not only love of one's own Liberty, but those of your fellow Rational Animals too.
Finally, none other than the founder of the science of Criminology, Caesar Beccaria, understood that criminals feared armed resistance.
Was it a black guy who shot Abe? Was it a non-Japanese guy? What is the immigration rate in Japan anyway?
Oooooooh, we gonna get in to their immigration policy?
"....copying that approach in the U.S. is legally, politically, and practically impossible."
But but IF WE CAN PUT A MAN ON THE MOON we can DO BETTER THAN THIS!!!!
"But but IF WE CAN PUT A MAN ON THE MOON we can DO BETTER THAN THIS!!!!"
Oh, I have an idea. We should start a penal colony, ... on the Moon.
Jamaica also has strict gun control laws.
Does Jamaica and Japan have virtually identical criminal homicide rates?
Lol
Does they? Really?
Have lived in Japan for over seven years. It is a shame culture. There is some evidence that murder of family member(s) followed by suicide of the perpetrator is often classed as ritual suicide. It would be tough to sort through the crime statistics and figure out the real rate of each.
Indeed, their "murder" rate is substantially lowered by categorizing murder/suicides as just suicide. But it might go further than that.
"Photos of the teenager’s corpse show a deep cut on his right arm, horrific bruising on his neck and chest. His face is swollen and covered with cuts. A silhouette of violence runs from the corner of his left eye over the cheekbone to his jaw, and his legs are pocked with small burns the size of a lighted cigarette.
But police in Japan’s Aichi prefecture saw something else when they looked at the body of Takashi Saito, a 17-year-old sumo wrestler who arrived at a hospital in June. The cause of death was “heart disease,” police declared.
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Japan’s annual police report says its officers made arrests in 96.6% of the country’s 1,392 homicides in 2005."
Apparently unless they could immediately identify the killer, they simply reported it as a suicide or medical issue.
This comment reminded me of Tokyo Vice.
"unless they could immediately identify the killer"
Or someone they could beat a confession out of and make it stick?
I don't have sources that definitely show this, but the little I know about the Japanese police hints at a system that presumes guilt until proven otherwise coupled to police brutality that would shock Buford Pusser. That gives them a high conviction rate, and gives authorities a lot of tools to prevent them ever being embarrassed by the revelation of false convictions.
100%. It's not just some evidence. Family massacres are called suicides in Japan. In the US, it is counted as multiple homicides and a single suicide.
Further, there are an unknown number of homicides that are not ever even reported as homicides as posted by Brett. In the 1960's, homicide rates were quite high. The media reported on them avidly and obsessively and the results were both socially problematic and the reporting of them created copycats. So the police authorities only initially call something a homicide when it is either a)Yakuza or b)so obviously a homicide that it can't be explained any other way. Otherwise, the police investigate suspicious deaths and only deem them a homicide when they are ready to go to court with a suspect.
Oh. I thought it was just that they turned their frustrations on themselves, instead of killing each other as a mentally healthy society would.
You're obviously joking, but I think a society where the victims of bullies kill themselves is even sicker than a society where the victims kill the bullies.
Japan also has a long tradition of not allowing ordinary people to own effective weapons. Which has traditionally not made ordinary people more secure.
Japan has a lot going for it now, but let's not forget that only a few generations ago they wanted to kill and rape everyone and take over the world. Maybe not a culture to uncritically imitate.
Yeah, and a few generations ago, Americans said one thing when they really wanted to kill and rape everyone and take over the world. Guess we have a lot in common.
Please tell us when that was, exactly?
Oh! You’re referring to NFL football season, right?
and rape everyone
Goddamn, it really has been a long time since I watched a football game.
If Americans really wanted to kill and rape everyone and take over the world, they would have done it.
Long tradition? It was legal to carry around a samurai sword until 1876. And that law was blatantly about removing the power of the samurai caste after the shogun lost power. Japan is a weird country with a very strange history, but it's no stranger to political assassinations or an armed populace.
It was legal to carry around a samurai sword until 1876.
Yeah, if you had the right breeding. Japan has a long history of disarmed peasantry.
That's what I was thinking of. But I'm no expert on Japan, so if anyone knows I'm full of crap, please correct me.
And even if they weren't forbidden any kind of sword was very expensive and required a lot of training to use effectively.
My guess is could cut the US homicide rate if we adopted Japan's xenophobic attitude towards immigration and thereby creating a homogenous, high-trust society.
Yeah, but what are you going to do about all the niggas already here? Liberia?
To the Moon!
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Or end drug prohibition.
The discrepancy has to do with their way of reporting crimes in Japan. If a dead body is found and they know who the murderer is, it gets classified as a murder. If a dead body is found and they do not know who the murderer is, it gets reported as an abandoned body. Japan's crime statistics are bullshit.
I knew a Japanese woman who told a story of coming home with her parents when she was a kid, and fining their home had been burgled. They also found something the burglar had dropped which identified him. The father paid him a visit, the burglar was deeply ashamed, apologized profusely, and the father gave him a job.
It's just a different culture. You can't transplant part of a culture and expect everything to work the same, any more than you could drop a Chevy drive train into a VW bus and expect instantaneous flawless results.
It's just a different culture.
Yup. What's interesting is how much Japan demonstrates that what The Right would prefer but doesn't openly advocate *could* work but what the left openly advocates and doesn't acknowledge as not working. *And* how much the wishful thinking dichotomy, both ways, has *nothing* to do with Christianity or Western culture.
Everyone knows you need to dro the VW drivetrain into the Chevy, not the other way around ….. silly.
That's not exactly unknown here; When I was a teen our house was broken into, the burglar cut himself on the window he broke, and left bloody fingerprints all over the place. When the kid across the street showed up with a bandaged hand the next day we confronted him, and he fessed up.
He'd already spent the loot, but we let him work it off, and notified the police they could stop looking for the perpetrator. They were cool with that, apparently it wasn't an uncommon thing.
Exactly. When the earthquake/sumani hit people lined up for food and water knowing people in the back wouldn't get any. When they ran out, people quietly went home with nothing and came back the next day. Let me know how that would turn out in an American city.
Small country. Lots of people. Too many witnesses.
Japan's Gun Restrictions Are Far From Sufficient To Explain Its Low Crime Rate
Maybe it's got something to do with Japan being populated with Japanese. Other places, not so much.
Well, they no longer wear the title of 'Honorary Aryan," so they are no longer allied with a certain movement that practiced mass plunder and mass murder.
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Japan:
-Immigration so strict it makes the CBP/INF look like chumps.
-Firearms regulation so strict it makes the ATF look like chumps.
-Abortion *and birth control* regulation so strict it makes Jerry Falwell look like a chump.
-Same-sex regulation so strict is makes Vladimir Putin look like a chump.
Again, anybody saying "We should implement Japanese-style gun control." without acknowledging the rest is as much a ideologue as anyone saying "We should implement Japanese-style abortion control, immigration control, or same-sex marriage policy." with the similar selective obliviousness.
difference is clearly a cultural one.
Has nothing to do with their gun laws vs ours as there are a number of ways to hurt or kill people.
Japan's homicide rate is 1/20th the US and their "serious" assault rate is 1/13 our rate; robbery rate is about 1/47th ours.
USA - ALL Asians, not just Japanese : 5.2% of the population and 1.3% of all arrests.
Black Americans: 12.6% of the population and 26.6% of all arrests.
White Americans 62% of the population and 69.4% of all arrests.
Schooling / grades follow those numbers, even students in the same bad schools. Income distributions are also biased favoring Asians, the group with emphasis on family, structure, discipline more than other race's culture on average.
Asians - lower single mom rates and divorce rates than whites and blacks. Whites with lower single mom rates / broken homes than blacks.
Huh. It's almost like success is down to the person and whether or not they let a toxic culture that they grow up in drive their lives or if they decide to step up and beyond a shitty culture.
Anyone see the pattern here?
Education emphasis impacts crime rates. Family unit / broken homes / unwed mothers impacts crime rates. Other cultural inputs - anyone here think rape culture, mini-trucks, rednecks, gang bangin' etc. is helping?
Japan is better off with crime because of culture not laws.
What's the homicide rate among Japanese-Americans?
"In 2017, Japan had the world's lowest homicide rate: 0.2 per 100,000 people"
There is one thing that may explain much of that. Japan has a median age of 48.6 which makes them second oldest with only Monaco being older. Perhaps if you don't have a bunch of young kids who are dumb and addled by surging hormones it's easier to temper and simply let them rub one out to a bit of manga porn in their room.
Granted one could flip that and say they're second oldest because they have a low homicide rate but then their fertility rate of 1.38 places them at 13th from last globally and is well below replacement as it has been for a while.
As I recall, the US gun grabbers started out by saying they only wanted to stop crazy gang kids from making zip guns.
"Pressure to conform and internalized willingness to do so are much stronger in Japan than in America,"
For better or for worse, this is the answer.
'nuff said.
Do they have strict sword control, or won't the Yakuza let them get away with that?
Asians die from swords, too!
https://youtu.be/db27gKeDPFI
You can't even carry a stylish sword-cane in London anymore.
How's a gentleman supposed to defend himself and his lady during a night on the town?
Of course, all my sword-canes were lost in the unfortunate boating accident on the Thames.
How's a gentleman supposed to defend himself and his lady during a night on the town?
Facts not in evidence: there are no gentlemen in London.
At least, running around snatching canes out from under people or paying others to do so because some of them might have swords in them is not generally a gentlemanly endeavor.
When it comes to suicide, the scarcity of firearms in Japan does not seem to have had the effect you might expect.
It has exactly the effect I would have expected.
Japanese gun laws killed Abe. Watch the video no one reacts. Abe just stands there and takes the second shot. If he had ran he would have lived. I guess they thought it was fireworks or something because the idea of someone shooting is so foreign to them.
They don't have a lot of murders or muggings, but don't let that fool you.
Crime in Japan is cartelized and very orderly. It consists mostly of drug and human trafficking, and routine shakedowns of both small and large businesses by Yakuza. It's a system that goes back at least a millennium, and it's one of the Japanese institutions that MacArthur didn't stomp flat.
-jcr
People don't realize how big the Yakuza and organized crime are. And Japan isn't the only place its a thing.
When I was stationed in South Korea, I noticed very quickly who the local mob was. You'd be walking around off-base and there would be a random black Mercedes parked on the side of the street with a guy in a black suit standing next to it. Watch long enough and you'd see a couple of other guys in black suits entering and leaving every business on the street.
It was funny to me when I was inprocessing in South Korea how the medical briefings were always "don't buy the food from the street vendors, you might get sick". On please, those street vendors get their chicken-on-a-stick pre-cooked and frozen from Korean WalMart. They have to lease those street vendor spots on the street from the mob, and if they want to keep their lucrative spot and income the last thing they are going to do is serve up food that makes people sick.
"People don't realize how big the Yakuza and organized crime are. "
I had a friend who did some time in Tokyo's Fuchu prison for some drug related offense. According to him, the Yakuza inmates were non threatening 'pussy cats,' and occupied themselves in the same menial tasks that everyone else did. In the US, though, the homicide rate in prisons is at least 5 times the national average, according to official sources, though few died from firearms.
Bet the Yakuza inmates got treated better than Tojo off the street too.
If being treated well is something important to you, try to avoid Japanese prison.
There are a number of reasons for the low crime rate in Japan.
1. Japan is over 98% Japanese. There is very little ethnic violence.
2. Shared culture. See #1.
3. Vast majority of citizens are not just law-abiding but also obedient and subservient.
4. Not commented on much but Japan is basically a police state. The police can and do enter houses for no reason to look around/search the house. Such policing keeps people on their toes.
5. Prosecutions are almost 100% successful. Deterrence is a thing, yo.
5. is because of the use of coerced, pre-written confessions. If you've been arrested, obviously you're guilty, and things will be very unpleasant for you until you fess up. And the police keep track of who the local criminals are, you might not be confessing to a crime you personally committed, but they're pretty sure you're guilty of SOMETHING.
5. They also only prosecute the open and shut cases, while everything else gets swept under the rug and is not included in their murder rate.
And the fact that they don't report crime in Japan unless they know who the perpetrator is obvious. When a dead body is found, if they do not know who killed the person, it is simply reported as an abandoned body.
Japan's low crime rate is in part explained by its crime reporting methodology. In 2007, about 11% of all unnatural deaths were actually examined by a medical examiner (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2007-nov-09-fg-autopsy9-story.html). Without a medical examiner looking at a death and declaring it a homicide, it never gets reported as such. Even with the deaths that are examined, a lot of examiners will be pressured to avoid attaching a homicide label. Essentially, the only homicides that are ever reported are the open-and-shut cases where the suspect is readily identified or confesses.
Another variable specifically impacting US gun control talks is that about 2/3 of US gun deaths in any given year are suicides. With guns widely available as a tool of suicide in the US, our suicide rate is 13.5 per 100,000, compared to Japan's 14.9 per 100,000 in Japan.
I'm willing to stick with the presumption that Japan's actual homicide rate is far below the US, but at the same time we do know that Japan's reported homicide rate is an unreliable number that almost certainly is an undercount. To whatever degree firearm suicide is factored into the gun control debate in the US, Japan has a fraction of the guns we do and pulls in a much higher suicide rate.
Then of course there are the cultural differences. The US has a very multicultural society with a lot of disparate groups that don't like each other and have historic grudges. Japan is much more ethnically homogeneous, has far less immigration and bans people out of the country and virtually the first sign that they are disruptive to their society.
"Japan's low crime rate is in part explained by its crime reporting methodology."
Same is true everywhere. A prostitute goes missing in the US, and it's only if or when a body is discovered that a homicide is recorded. And police are less inclined to delve into a case involving low lifes.
"Then of course there are the cultural differences. "
Like socialized medicine. That may help to explain some of the difference. Easy access to psychiatric care could prevent potential acts of violence.
What a weak response.
Ascribing the difference in murder rates to some undefined 'cultural difference' is even weaker, if you think about it.
I agree cultural difference is weak, but it is well known that Japan purposely under reports crimes unless the cases can be easily solved. You mention that in the USA a homicide is not reported unless they find a body. In Japan, if an obvious murderer is not found, they simply report it as an abandoned body case. That is a pretty big distinction.
"In Japan, if an obvious murderer is not found, they simply report it as an abandoned body case. "
I'm not disputing this. My advice is to seek sources other than the police or government for Japanese murder statistics. Perhaps an independent researcher or a muck raking but reputable journalist have come up with a higher rate of murder. Even if it's doubled, however, the rate is still going to be small compared to other countries. I've heard Honduras is the world leader.
I didn't ascribe it to undefined cultural differences. I very clearly defined them.
"The US has a very multicultural society with a lot of disparate groups that don't like each other and have historic grudges. Japan is much more ethnically homogeneous, has far less immigration and bans people out of the country and virtually the first sign that they are disruptive to their society."
Unless you want to argue that there's a broad sense of racial harmony in the U.S., and that Black, White and Brown people have historically gotten along and continue to do so in the U.S., I don't think its an arguable point that racial animosity is a contributing factor to violent crime in this country. I don't know how I can state that in any more explicit terms for you.
"The US has a very multicultural society with a lot of disparate groups that don't like each other and have historic grudges"
That nonsense though. Murders are overwhelmingly a family affair and multiculturalism, immigration, transgender toilets, or whatever hobby horse you are riding today have exceedingly little to do with it.
The Japanese don't need races. They have Koreans, Burakumin, and the Ainu and the animosity is palpable. Conservative Japanese will often have their sons' fiances' background checked by specialist private investigators to see if there are no ties to such groups. But I understand you enthusiasm to play the race card. It's as American as apple pie.
Are you telling me I simply imagined the racial commentary in the Buffalo shooters manifesto, or any amount of killings during the period of BLM-related protests and riots in the U.S. in the summer of 2020? There was no racial/ethnic/cultural-religious component to any violent behavior by Proud Boys or Oathkeepers or the KKK or any Islamist terrorist and any of their victims? The #StopAsianHate was a figment of my imagination?
I will absolutely stipulate ethnic animosity in Japan exists. I will just note that 98.1% of people in Japan are ethnically Japanese and the rest are combined less than 2%. The U.S. is comparatively much less homogeneous than Japan and that is an indisputable fact. Multi-racial crime in the U.S. is less common than crime against a member of the same rate, however, it still makes up a larger percentage implicitly than would be the case in the U.S. There's no hobby horse I'm riding here. These are simple facts.
inb4, I'm not making an argument about how the entire country needs to be comprised of white Christians or any nonsense like that. I'm simply pointing out that in any society where there are large portions of the population from different racial/ethnic/religious backgrounds there is a higher likelihood of violence between different groups. These cultural differences will continue to exist even if all of the guns in the US disappear tomorrow. People will still commit attacks against different groups of people regardless of the gun laws. That fact simply needs to be understood before a demand is made for gun control. Gun control won't eliminate the higher preference for violence that exists in a highly diverse society versus a highly homogeneous society.
"Are you telling me I simply imagined the racial commentary in the Buffalo shooters manifesto"
No, certainly not. I'm pointing out your eagerness to show race as a big contributor to murder as though America was some Mansonesque ground zero for race war. In fact murder victims are typically related to their murderers. That's what I meant by family affair.
"I will absolutely stipulate ethnic animosity in Japan exists. I will just note that 98.1% of people in Japan are ethnically Japanese "
They don't need ethnic animosity. Those burakumin that keep the private investigators in business are every bit as Japanese as the emperor himself. They are stigmatized not because of their skin color or whatever, but a family history of working in leather, or butchering animals, a big no no for Buddhists.
"No, certainly not. I'm pointing out your eagerness to show race as a big contributor to murder as though America was some Mansonesque ground zero for race war. In fact murder victims are typically related to their murderers. That's what I meant by family affair."
According to the FBI in 2015 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide#:~:text=In%202015%2C%20more%20than%2029,percent%20were%20killed%20by%20strangers.), 29.2% of homicides were committed by someone the victim knew who was not family ( neighbor, coworker, etc.). 12.8% were family affairs, 10.2% were by total strangers and 47.8% of the time the perpetrator was unknown. At minimum, 10% of murders by a stranger is a statistically significant figure even if it's not the majority of cases. But assuming some of that 47.8% of unknown perpetrators are not family, it's fair to say that murders by a stranger are a statistically significant amount of the killings that take place in the US, even if they are not the majority. The 29.2% cases where the suspect is known by the victim but not direct family (such as a neighbor or coworker) does not eliminate the possibility of racial/ethnic/other cross-cultural animosity between victim and attacker.
"does not eliminate the possibility of racial/ethnic/other cross-cultural animosity between victim and attacker."
I understand your desire to play the race card. It's American as apple pie. In Japan, you don't need to obsess over skin color to be a bigot. Just ask Koreans there, who look the same as Japanese, or Burakumin, who are Japanese and look no different.
"I understand your desire to play the race card. It's American as apple pie. In Japan, you don't need to obsess over skin color to be a bigot. Just ask Koreans there, who look the same as Japanese, or Burakumin, who are Japanese and look no different."
Nevermind that you were wrong about homicide being an overwhelmingly family-based issue, if you are now arguing that ethnic differences in Japan (i.e. ethnic Koreans vs ethnic Japanese) contribute to animosity between groups in a country where there is a higher degree of ethnic homogeneity, then it stands to reason that a greater degree of ethnic differences will yield an even greater degree of animosity. Even the Burakumin you reference (a non-ethnic cultural minority in Japan) are about 1-3% of the Japanese population.
"Same is true everywhere. A prostitute goes missing in the US, and it's only if or when a body is discovered that a homicide is recorded."
Strange, that; A homicide is only recorded when you know somebody is actually dead.
Whereas in Japan, a prostitute turns up dead with strangulation marks, it only get recorded as a homicide if they can easily determine who did it.
Exactly my point. MTrueman just failed to understand it.
"Strange, that; A homicide is only recorded when you know somebody is actually dead."
You mean someone's been murdered if and only if the police tell you so. Just like it is in Japan. Strange that.
"Same is true everywhere. A prostitute goes missing in the US, and it's only if or when a body is discovered that a homicide is recorded. And police are less inclined to delve into a case involving low lifes."
Not the same everywhere. In Japan, they can have the body on hand with clear signs of blunt force trauma to the head (see the article I attached in my original comment) and they won't say it was a homicide death. When a prostitute's body turns up in the U.S., it gets classed as a homicide. When a body turns up in Japan, it depends. It's not about whether the case gets solved, its how its reported. The U.S. has homicides without cases being solved, but Japan underreports homicides and solves a very high percentage of the homicides it does report.
"When a prostitute's body turns up in the U.S."
Often they don't turn up, because the murderer takes the trouble to hide the body, and a case of a missing prostitute is rarely if ever a priority for the police to investigate. Apparently Alaska is the state where this is most pronounced, though its official murder rate doesn't stand out as particularly bad.
In Japan, prostitution is more openly practiced and presumably a safer occupation than it is in the states. There is also socialized medicine which makes psychiatric care for disturbed people an easier option especially for the poor.
Dude, this isn't an actual discussion about difference in sex work laws in the U.S. vs Japan. I was just responding to your specific example about prostitutes getting murdered. The point I was making (that you are continuing to miss) is that when the body turns up in the U.S., a medical examiner will classify it as a homicide even if the homicide goes unsolved; whereas in Japan when a body turns up, only about 1/10 times is the body even looked at by a medical examiner and those times that it is, the examiner often lists a non-homicide cause of death. That's the all-important difference here.
I'm glad prostitution is a relatively safe practice in Japan, but that's not really the point of debate here. The debate is over how often homicides are recorded in Japan, and the answer is that it's a lot less than in the U.S.
"I'm glad prostitution is a relatively safe practice in Japan, but that's not really the point of debate here."
So attitudes towards prostitution is not one of the 'cultural differences' you wish to discuss. Icky sex stuff, I agree.
"The point I was making (that you are continuing to miss) is that when the body turns up in the U.S., a medical examiner will classify it as a homicide even if the homicide goes unsolved; whereas in Japan when a body turns up, only about 1/10 times is the body even looked at by a medical examiner and those times that it is, the examiner often lists a non-homicide cause of death. "
I haven't disputed this. I am pointing out that there are murders where the body never turns up. In Japan and the US. An impossible task to say how many of the disappeared are victims of murder, but some undoubtedly are.
"So attitudes towards prostitution is not one of the 'cultural differences' you wish to discuss. Icky sex stuff, I agree."
We can talk about prostitution. I was just concerned you were going to go off on a tangent about it rather than addressing the issue of crime reporting (which you've missed 3 times now). I didn't want to overload you with distractions while we're still beating around that much larger bush.
"I am pointing out that there are murders where the body never turns up. In Japan and the US. An impossible task to say how many of the disappeared are victims of murder, but some undoubtedly are."
This isn't an issue of calculating the difference between the US and Japan in terms of how many murder victims simply disappear and are never found. As you say, it's an impossible task to know how many disappearances are the result of murder in the US or Japan. Given that prostitute disappearance murders are a probable subcategory of this number of disappearance murders for which we cannot obtain reliable figures, that again is part of why I want to stay on the topic at hand (difference in reported homicides) rather than trying to argue about something neither of us can speak to with a great degree of certainty.
Given that we can't really grapple with this number of disappearance murders that go unreported as a homicide in the US and Japan in any substantive way, it's merely a distraction from the point you are continually not addressing. Japanese medical examiners have an established trend of not even examining almost 90% of the bodies that do turn up in unnatural death cases. And of the bodies they do examine, they are reticent to classify these deaths as homicides, even when there are apparent signs that the person met a non-self-inflicted violent end (such as blunt force trauma about the face). This certainly creates an undercount in Japan's recorded murder rate, because not all murders aren't being recorded (it's a tautology at this point).
Saying "but what about all the people who go missing that could have been prostitutes who were murdered in either the US or Japan?" is in no way a rebuttal of the fact that Japanese medical examiners clearly don't report all the homicides among the number of bodies that are found, whereas the US accounts for homicide victims even when the authorities will never again lift a finger to solve the underlying murder case.
So the argumentum ad ignorantiam this sockpuppet interprets to mean... women mustn't resist attempts to enslave them into the labor of involuntary reproduction. So solly, too bad, rotsa ruck in the November elections electing pussy-grabber mystical rednecks. There was a time when only black, mulata, quadroon and octroon females could legally be forced that way by some States. Now it's all of them! Ain't that just the ginger-peachiest egalitatian thang?
"(which you've missed 3 times now)"
I haven't missed it at all. I'm simply not disputing it. I even advised you to seek out alternative sources for the statistics you find suspiciously low. And that homicides are also undercounted in the US as well because a missing person is not counted as a homicide, even though some of the missing are certainly murder victims.
Ok, so we've established that Japan deliberately avoids recording homicide deaths and that the U.S. (and also Japan) can't account for all the potential homicides that may take place when a person goes missing and their bodies are never found. That's a known undercount by Japan vs an inability by either the US or Japan (or any other country) to account for an unknown number of homicides among a population where a body is never found.
At the very least, we know that Japan's official reported homicide rate (the figure that is compared against the US homicide rate, not the numbers of some third-party researcher) is deeply unreliable and that if Japan were to apply the same methodology in its official reporting that the US does, its homicide rate would be higher.
Any time differences in crime between countries are discussed, it's differences between one country's reported homicide rate and another country's reported homicide rate; not country 1's reported homicide rate + an unknown number of disappearance murders vs country 2's reported homicide rate + an unknown number of disappearance murders.
We also know that in the US, if the body of one of these people who has disappeared is ever found, that body will be examined by a medical examiner and a determination of homicide will be made and that determination will be added to the US homicide rate. We also know we can't count on that same thing to happen in Japan.
You can always quibble over statistics, no matter what country produces them. It misses the larger point, though. Japan's murder is lower than the US. That's what the article is all about.
"Japan's murder is lower than the US. That's what the article is all about."
The article is about why Japan's murder rate is lower. The article posits at least one cultural difference: that Japanese people are conformists.
From Reason: "'Pressure to conform and internalized willingness to do so are much stronger in Japan than in America,' Independence Institute gun policy scholar David Kopel noted three decades ago. Kopel argued that 'the spirit of conformity provides the best explanation for Japan's low crime rate.'"
My point is and always has been throughout this discussion that there are other variables affecting the violent crime rate in Japan. One of them is that Japanese medical examiners routinely avoid classifying obvious murder victims as homicides. They avoid these categorizations at a statistically significant rate. It's worth discussing. I'm not in favor of capping off the discussion with just Reason's conclusion that Japanese people are simply more peaceful and conforming.
If you average out the 10 million people the Japanese murdered in WWII, the country’s crime rate isn’t so low anymore.
Lots of Japanese had easy access to guns and ammo during WWII. The government issued them to soldiers free of charge.
And that’s why the Japanese shouldn’t have guns and Americans should. QED
The same is true in Europe. I guess there's a question: Do you want a society that's peaceful except during the occasional mass murder binges, or one that's moderately violent but doesn't go nuts every couple of generations?
Thank you.
In the Philly Inquirer there was an article back in the '90s decrying the number of gun deaths in the US. They interviewed a German, a Russian, and a Chinese citizen to lament our murderous ways. I found that not only ironic, but immensely dense.
We in the USA generally don't count people killed with government guns as "murder" either - but for the USA from WWI to now, the vast majority of those deaths were foreigners, mostly enemy soldiers in wars that we did not start.
The number of citizens killed by their own government in the last 100 years: Germany at least 12 million. Russia: at least 20 million, and likely over 50 million. China: 50 million to 100's of millions. USA: probably around 100,000 - and that's including criminals actually resisting arrest with deadly force and executed murderers.
But the schools and mass media only talk about the ones that weren't Communist...
There are additional factors why Japan has such a low violence rate and why the USA can't achieve their level of peacefulness.
1) Japan is a rule-following culture. The USA is a rule-breaking culture.
2) Japan still suffers from war guilt from WW2 and over-emphasizes peacefulness and non-violence.
3) Japan is an island nation; controlling the import of contraband is easier for them and impossible for the USA, especially with the USA's wide-open southern border.
4) Japan is ethnically homogeneous with few other races and few immigrants.
5) Japan's yakuza act as a form of underground police, willing to do violence on non-Yakuza criminals who step too far out of line. Thanks to the yakuza's relative honorableness (relative to the corruptness of other organized criminals like the Italian mafia, Latin American drug cartels & black gangs, mainland Asian gangs, etc.), the yakuza are not an overwhelming source of violent crime like how black gangs in the USA are responsible for over 80% of the violence.
6) Japan's population skews more elderly than the USA's. Given that most violence is committed by young fighting-age males, and Japan has fewer fighting-age males, they'll naturally see fewer violent crimes.
7) Also, single motherhood is not as prevalent in Japan; fewer fatherless households means fewer young criminal males.
Surely Sullum has read "Freakonomics." Forcing women to reproduce at gunpoint is invariably followed by increasing crime rates. Stopping the practice is just as invariably followed by a drop in the crime rate. For Japan that 20-year gap after women acquired rights would be 1968. For the USA, it would be 1993. Anyone can look up those charts. Christian fascism needs enemies against to launch a jihad. By "pro-life" what they mean is that your death pays their bills.
You can drop your wallet filled with money and cards on the street in Tokyo and it willy be returned to you -- with all the money -- every e single time.
The difference is not the guns laws. It's the fact that there are no blacks in Japan.