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Bernie Sanders

Bernie Sanders Wants To Force Airlines To Refund Passengers for Flights Delayed Over 1 Hour

Sanders' frequent cries for heavy-handed federal government intervention should be opposed whenever they crop up.

Liz Wolfe | 7.5.2022 5:20 PM

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Last week, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) sent a letter to Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg proposing that the federal government take "immediate action" to reduce flight cancellations and delays that have been inconveniencing American travelers this summer.

According to Sanders, the U.S. government ought to fine airlines $55,000 per passenger for each flight the airline must cancel due to staffing shortages. Airlines also ought to be fined by the government $27,500 per passenger for each domestic flight delayed over two hours where passengers must sit on the tarmac, and $15,000 per passenger for each domestic flight delayed by more than two hours if tarmac loitering is not a factor. (Neither fine would be required if weather forces a delay.) For flights delayed by merely one hour, Sanders wants the federal government to force airlines to give passengers refunds.

Though none of this is likely to become law, Sanders' frequent cries for heavy-handed federal government intervention should be opposed whenever they crop up. This one is no exception.

Senate Budget Committee Chair @BernieSanders writes a letter asking Transportation @SecretaryPete to take action against the airline industry over flight cancellations, proposing passenger refunds and fines. pic.twitter.com/PoYsoOdMK8

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) June 29, 2022

Sanders, ever a man of the people, is reacting to the fact that summer air travel has been a hot mess. Prices have surged, reflecting pent-up demand that has rebounded from peak COVID era, while some airlines (like JetBlue) have cut routes and most have struggled with staffing shortages. In Atlanta, 400 Delta pilots spent this past holiday weekend picketing, protesting what they say are subpar working conditions. Per data collected Saturday afternoon, 20 percent of Southwest flights within the U.S. had been delayed for the start of Fourth of July weekend. American Airlines logged similar numbers, while Delta came in a little better, at 13 percent.

"Nine of the ten busiest days for air travel passenger volume since March 2020 have come in the last month," wrote Sean Cudahy last week for The Points Guy, "and the majority of those days fell in the last week or two." Transportation Security Administration pass-through numbers for this holiday weekend surpassed last year's, with more than 9 million total travelers hitting U.S. airports between Thursday and Sunday. The Los Angeles Times reports that "the rate of cancellations over the last two weeks is up 59% from the same period in 2019, before the pandemic."

The reasons for this dysfunction are complex, though, and Sanders' proposed fixes—which read more like punishments—would not solve domestic flyers' problems.

Mostly, the summer of flight delays and cancellations is a demand issue. Travel demand is extraordinarily high, which is a positive indicator that most Americans are going back to the normal patterns of life following pandemic interruptions, overly cautious guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 40-year-high inflation be damned. When you order people to stay at home for many months and tell them to skip a bunch of holidays and life events, at a certain point they decide to get back in the game of existing as social creatures. We're seeing that happen now.

But it's also an understaffing problem. Over the course of the pandemic, many airline employees were unable to do their jobs as they'd traditionally been done due to depressed travel; a chunk of them participated in the much-ballyhooed "Great Resignation," switching industries or retiring a bit early. Some airlines took advantage of service interruptions to retire some of their aircraft, which resulted in pilots needing to be retrained to fly different plane models. Some airlines also retrained pilots who had been furloughed or laid off during that period of record-low travel demand. Airlines like Delta, faced with financial trouble during the pandemic, adopted controversial "juniority benefits" (a.k.a. buyouts) for the most senior and highly-paid employees, as a cost-cutting measure. Airlines did what they could to hunker down, cut costs, and make the best of a dismal time for the industry.

Meanwhile, air traffic control—run by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA)—also deserves some of the blame. FAA representatives deny that there's a staffing shortage while simultaneously admitting that air traffic controller training has been reduced due to COVID…which sure looks like a staffing shortage.

Sanders is right to bemoan the fact that airlines received $74 billion in pandemic-related aid from the federal government, which was ostensibly doled out to ensure airlines would be able to be resilient during low-travel times and get back to regularly planned service once conditions stabilized, though it didn't quite work out that way. It's almost like infusions of federal cash change airlines' incentives, and don't even fully prevent bad outcomes!

It's hard to see how the federal government intervention proposed by Sanders would create the endgame he desires, at a time when airlines are struggling to adapt to quickly changing conditions, and still face many unknowns—like whether business travel will ever fully rebound—that are tough to plan for.

Many sectors of the economy are experiencing strain right now. There's a palpable sense among American consumers that everything is getting simultaneously worse and more expensive. But this will not always be the case, since markets have a way of sorting these things out over time and readjusting to consumers' ever-changing needs. Eventually, supply chains will restabilize. Ports will no longer cyclically close down or be short-staffed due to COVID lockdowns. The real estate market will cool down a bit, with homes no longer going for 20 percent above asking. Inflation will someday be below today's staggering 8.6 percent. And, yes, airlines will once again compete for the mantle of best and most reliable, taking discerning flyers with them (and letting those who don't care as much about service interruptions gravitate toward more affordable airlines).

But it's not Sanders who will pull all this off—it's market forces, quietly at work, that should be trusted, not messed with.

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  1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    John Podesta: Socialism is the future of the party.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      I wouldn't call this socialism so much as Leninism. Your average socialist isn't going to act like such an arbitrary bitch.

      This is typical "everything for the party, nothing against the party" type shit that these people have been practicing since the French Revolution.

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  2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Ah, Bernie Sanders. 🙂

    He's a typical modern American self-described "socialist" — pretends to rebel against THE RICH and THE CORPORATIONS, but at the end of the day you know he'll vote how billionaires want him to.

    #OBLsFirstLaw

    1. geo1113   3 years ago

      That's pretty good!

  3. JasonAZ   3 years ago

    News Flash!!! Communist idiot that has never owned a business doesn't understand how business works! After the next commercial break, we'll discuss how water is still wet.

    1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      that idiot has a net worth of $3 Million. True it is not nearly as much as Raul Castro's $100 Million but give him time to shoot his detractors. Raul's favorite skill to increase his revenue was firing squads.

      https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/raul-castro-net-worth/

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        So, Bernie is a commie and an idiot.

        1. defaultdotxbe   3 years ago

          You repeat yourself, sir.

        2. Ted   3 years ago

          A man so lazy, that hippies once kicked him out of their commune in less than 72 hours of his arrival.

          https://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/

  4. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    According to Sanders, the U.S. government ought to fine airlines $55,000 per passenger for each flight the airline must cancel due to staffing shortages. Airlines also ought to be fined by the government $27,500 per passenger for each domestic flight delayed over two hours where passengers must sit on the tarmac, and $15,000 per passenger for each domestic flight delayed by more than two hours if tarmac loitering is not a factor. (Neither fine would be doled out if weather forces a delay.) For flights delayed by merely one hour, Sanders wants the federal government to force airlines to give passengers refunds.

    I'm increasingly just straight up tickled by the numbers I see attached to various government legislation. All round numbers, all otherwise not meaningfully tied to anything. I love that they're fines, too. Not even given to the people themselves.

    1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      Next up: FAA regulations stating all planes must wait on the tarmac for 2 hours and 1 minute......'for safety'.

      1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

        with masks

        1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

          And $20K/min fines for being under or over.

    2. JohannesDinkle   3 years ago

      Get real - if this were actually to become law, the airlines would only schedule flights they were absolutely certain would be on time. That would result in a drop in the number of scheduled flights, probably by nearly half.
      So, you can't get on a flight at all, but if you could, it would leave on time.

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        No, we would have a whole lot of "weather" problems

    3. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

      No we get to the real motive. More money for the government to spend.

  5. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    This would never happen at Aeroflot!

  6. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

    That Bernie is a savvy old dude. Act senile and take your pants off and everybody on the plane flies for free.

  7. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    May I suggest a minor amendment?
    When the delay is caused by FAA staffing "issues", every passenger gets $250,000, taken from the political contributions of the idiots who vote for the bill.

    My thought for the day, with apologies to Lenny Bruce:
    Any politician who promotes socialism and own three houses is a fraud.

  8. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    This is "Old Man Yelling At Clouds" territory. His flight was delayed and he's pissed and he suddenly has this great idea about how all airlines should be fined if the flight is ever delayed.

    Let's just talk about a likely way this would reflect on the market.

    Airlines would start padding their expected departure time, and require you to check in two hours before your flight leaves. If you're not checked in two hours early, you don't fly. That way, potentially, the plane can take off early, but it won't take off late. And it forces people to spend even more time sitting around waiting because, when they have 2 hours to play with, there's very little incentive for the flight crew to speed things along.

    Also, you're likely going to see more airlines close down, once again killing off competition to the bigger airlines who can afford the costly regulations.

    Fuck these assholes who just don't know how shit works.

  9. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Sanders is a commie idiot, yet people keep voting for him. No idea why.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

      He's a left-wing Trump. Saying stupid shit to pander to the masses.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        He's not pandering to the masses. He's pandering to Vermont. All I can think is that the one-two punch of smelly Birkenstocks and patchouli oil rots their brains. I've driven through the state. Never saw a flat spot. All up and down, up and down. Maybe that bobbles their brains. I dunno. But that dipshit will die in office.

        1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

          He is an incumbent, and they rarely get challenged even when their time has passed. How many other old farts are still in the Senate when they ought to be in a senor living center watch Matlock.

      2. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

        Absolutely correct. Trump and Sanders are the opposite sides of the same coin.

        1. Ted   3 years ago

          No, they’re not. What an idiotic thing to say.

          1. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

            They are two septuagenarian males feeding people their fantasies. That the fantasies are different does not make them different.

  10. NoVaNick   3 years ago

    Hey Bernie-how about free booze on every flight, oh and I get join the mile high club too, while you’re at it.

  11. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    Hey Bernie. Last time I was at a DMV, I had to wait over an hour. How about fining them too while you're at it?

    1. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

      Growing up in California, I was AMAZED, AMAZED I tell you when I registered vehicles later in life in several other states which had privatized most DMV services. You still had to go to the incompetent State run DMV for ID but you could do all vehicle registrations and other things at privately run companies. Absolutely no competition.

  12. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

    Every single person who ever cast a vote for Bernie Sanders can go fuck themselves. You VOTED for this idiocy, you fucking douchenozzles.

    1. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

      Problem is that Bernie runs in compromised places where they template and trial run fraud like Ballot Harvesting.

      Bernie is a favorite pathological stoolie for the globalists, a front runner for everywhere their corruption is greatest.

      This is why I know for 100% fact the United States of America will not survive to 2031 as a contiguous entity.

      People like me and you simply can't live alongside cockroaches like Bernie. He's a parasite, and we've known it and tolerated it for 30 years; but now he has run out of others to suck dry and he's at our doorstep, begging.

      My door is closed to people like him. He is not my countryman, he is not part of a legitimate government, he is my mortal enemy.

    2. oldsailor   3 years ago

      I live next to Vermont. All Vermonters are morons.

      1. Ted   3 years ago

        ‘Newhart’ gently lampooned that.

  13. OpinionatedInNoCal   3 years ago

    A 737 aircraft holds an average of 140 passengers. Let's run Bernie's numbers...

    Before an hour-long evening flight leaves the gate, the pilot realizes the AC is not working perfectly. A spare part must be driven over from somewhere else at the airport and swapped out. Might take an hour, maybe 2. Do they delay the flight and replace the part or do they take off figuring the AC isn't needed anyway (the fans work fine and it's a short night flight) or do they decide to only takeoff in a perfect plane knowing that decision will cost them over 7.5 million dollars (140 passengers x $55K per)?

    If you don't think the price of airline tickets will do up to cover the occasional mishap in scheduling, you're kidding yourself.

    1. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

      I used to work on aircraft. Before the supply chain issues that bernie and other cockroaches like bernie created - issues as you have described were normal. For example I once crewed an aircaft that did not have a fully functioning APU. [The on board generator that starts the electrical system up]. This meant if there were certain edge cases, such as a fuel line fire, and the pilot needed to shut down power circuits, or even a risk of a power overcurrent or something shutting down the system, the aircraft could not restart. Those scenarios were very unlikely, and we were able to fly. What people like Bernie do, they push those edge cases to the fore front until aircraft start falling out of the sky. But just like the economy, the supply chain issues, the cost of fuel, and the pilots with Myocarditis, people like Bernie will NEVER accept responsibility. Because he is nothing but a career parasite and a pathological disgrace who was never given a human soul.

      1. MoreFreedom   3 years ago

        Very good post with inside the industry knowledge.

        Your point about politicians making things in the marketplace worse per their desires, is right on. Instead of regulating an airline, with Bernie's big mouth, he should invest all his money into building and running one. That will have the benefit of bankrupting him (knowing he knows nothing about how to run a business, plus the fact that his wife bankrupted Burlington college and put it out of business) and make it harder for him to butt into others' business, and he might learn to respect free markets, which regulate business far better than government ever did.

  14. Gasman   3 years ago

    Fines, to line the government coffers for more spending.
    Exorbitant fines at that, such that the price of a delay, $15,000 times 200 seats is $3million, or $55,000 times 200 seats for a cancelled flight or $11million, that it would be better to have not ever attempted to staff the flight in the first place.
    When the fines range anywhere from 100 to 300 times the gross revenue, of the flight, why risk flying at all.
    Yep, don't worry about flight delays or last minute cancellation. The airlines will play it safe, grossly under schedule, and just wait to see what having half the available flights does for consumer prices. Some natural law here, ... supply and demand. Wins every time, even in a socialist economy.

    1. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

      "It would be better to not have ever attempted to staff the flight in the first place" - That is where Main Street Businesses in America already are, thanks to people like Bernie. It's not just hard to get pilots, it's hard to get nearly minimum wage office staff. But before all the airlines go out of business, the ones that don't do the honorable thing and quit flying to US destinations and operating by FAA rules will start crashing regularly enough that cockroaches like Bernie will send mobs to attack the airlines who were trying to stay in business, using the mob anger as a cover to retreat to one of his 3 mansions. He's never worked a day in his life for the benefit of anyone but Bernie, and that is true.

  15. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    If Bernie paid for everyone to have their own private plane we wouldn't have to worry about the airlines

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    I am sure flying would be better, i.e. timely, pleasant, and cheaper if we nationalized all the airlines and had the feds run things. After all, air travel is a human right.

    1. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

      It could be as great as the Soviet alternative to the Concorde. Passengers had to wear headphones because the noise in the cabin was so loud it would damage your ears. Also, half of them crashed. They couldn't even make it all the way across Russia either. But yeah, people like Bernie who are absolute career pathological parasites who never passed a budget that didn't feed himself and his friends while putting his constituents out of business, he'll be the guy to do it. https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-it-was-like-to-fly-on-the-soviet-concorde-1823810679

    2. Public Citizen   3 years ago

      One word:
      AMTRAK

  17. Hattori Hanzo   3 years ago

    Where does Bernie come up with the fee amounts? Is this how he spends his time at the vacation mansion that no one else should be allowed to own?

  18. Brian   3 years ago

    Your crazy socialist uncle wants to run the airlines. What could go wrong?

  19. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

    The guy who never had a real job in his life and whose constituents have gotten MARKEDLY poorer everywhere he has served office can SHUT HIS EFFING IGNORANT SOCIOPATHIC MOUTH. I am sick of these useless people, did he not get vaccinated or something? Someone should vaccinate him.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      His state keeps voting for him…

      1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        Senatorial incumbents always get reelected. Why do you think the average age in the Senate skews past the 70s? No one ever gets voted out.

        Thus I never blame a state's populace for the bozos that represent them. It's just a fluke of our democratic system.

  20. MartinHolinde   3 years ago

    It is also very clear that the vaccine mandates not only; 1. Killed Pilots, but 2: Took a lot of pilots out of service because they cannot be cleared for flight. These are verifiably true statements, so if anyone wants to "moderate them" they are welcome to be sued for being a lying scumbag censor.

    1. MoreFreedom   3 years ago

      Excellent point, about how government makes problems worse via the force they initiate against us. On the other hand, a lot of politicians and Big Pharma executives/owners made a lot of money from it. Especially when they basically prohibited the use of HCQ and Ivermectin, after disparaging them via flawed studies to get the desired outcome they intentionally funded, via propaganda, because those medicines are off-patent and they can't charge way over the cost of production to cover new testing of existing products for which there's no profit to be had.

      To summarize, government officials used their power to line their pockets at the expense and health of billions of people. That includes Dr. Fauci, who funded the creation of the virus (contrary to federal law, simply by calling the research something else), and no doubt got kickbacks from the intermediary firm, EcoHealth Alliance, he hired to cover the fact the Chinese were doing the research, and we taught them how to do it at our US universities. Plus the Chinese paid off lots of academics, as an investment.

  21. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

    Bernie Sanders and the rest of the Democrats want to put airlines out of business. Climate change, global warming, sea level rise, any other excuse they can find. Their will still be an airline industry, private jets serving the elites. You know, IMPOTENT people, like John Kerry. The elites really do hate the rest of us low lifes hanging around the resorts when they vacation. Ruins their fun just looking at us peasants.

  22. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

    Pig-ignorant commie doesn't know shit, film at 11.

    -jcr

  23. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

    I appreciate that the article points out that airline problem and inflation will take time to work out and that is best done naturally. Too many want quick fixes that will likely only prolong the pain.

    BTW - Bernie Sanders did his part to undermine the Democratic Candidate in 2016 leaving us with four years of an incompetent administration. No one but some far left nutcase should ever listen to him.

  24. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    Bernie's like my old uncle always complaining about everything. Except in his case he has the power to impose laws on other people. Next up he'll be trying to fine people who let dandelions go to seed.

    1. Nick   3 years ago

      Console yourself with this next time your flight is delayed by four-five hours, then canceled, then the airline refuses to compensate you or book lodging, and you're left holding the bag.

      All the restaurants, stores, and amenities closed over night while you wait for the next 6AM red eye?

      Get creative, make a blanket fort with airport seating and reams of paper towels!

      Feeling hungry in the middle of the night? Think positively and be grateful for the freedoms you have to scrounge for stray ketchup packets and stale crackers.

      Bernie and his leftist woke mob can't ruin your travel unless YOU let them!

    2. Moderation4ever   3 years ago

      Bernie is not that different from your uncle other than he has a wider audience for his complaints. I wonder how successful Bernie has really been in getting laws passed? It often seems he is more successful in killing bills that might pass by insisting on additions that make the bill unacceptable to a majority.

  25. MoreFreedom   3 years ago

    Wolfe's article is lacking. As an IT guy who consulted airlines, I can tell you that at least one of them uses computer programs to optimize the use of their resources including the planes, flight attendants, pilots and passengers to ensure they have the resources available for their scheduled flights. No doubt that includes a pool of standby staff to replace the expected number of people that don't show up to work for illnesses or other issues. If there's a mechanical failure that's going to take days, they rerun the program to reschedule future flights so there's no last minute cancellation for a plane they knew was put out of service days ago.

    Wolf's article fails to address answer why airlines are allowing so many flights to be cancelled at the last minute, hour or day, when they are clearly capable of not doing so, as evidenced by the last 50 years of airline transportation. I'd suspect some change to FAA administrative rules (not laws, as they were written by the FAA, per a Congressional bill allowing the FAA to write/change the rules, often via presidential EO). Further, we're hearing very little about government air traffic controller shortages, I suspect because the Biden administration doesn't want it reported or investigated.

    In summary, the airlines are capable of only scheduling flights they can fly. Something changed other than the pandemic, and I'd bet it was done by the government. For example, see https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/24/airlines-warn-federal-air-traffic-controller-short/ which states 1/3 of the delays are due to the FAA traffic controller shortage.

    Airline scheduling programs, don't have access to the FAA attendance records, and assume the airport is open and running effectively, including the government personnel. You can't plan on the government doing its job. So the solution is to get the airlines to create and run the air traffic control. They'd do it so much better, as any libertarian should know.

    1. MoreFreedom   3 years ago

      If 1/3 of the flights are delayed because of the FAA, imagine how that causes a ripple of rescheduling by all the affected airlines, flights, and connections. The FAA is failing to inform the airlines what they can handle, and that screws up all the airlines flight planning to fly their passengers.

    2. Nick   3 years ago

      YES, THIS!

  26. ducksalad   3 years ago

    I do understand that Bernie Sanders' proposal is heavy handed government interference.

    However if you asked me in the 3nd hour on the tarmac in summer in Texas with the AC turned off, I'd say those numbers weren't high enough. There are plenty of good reasons why an airplane might be delayed, but once it's clear takeoff isn't going to happen anytime soon and passengers are asking to be let off the plane, I can't think of any possible excuse to keep people prisoner. There are roll-up stairs if gates aren't available.

    1. Nick   3 years ago

      I'm sure Liz would use the time to sell you cheap Chinese-manufactured swag with clever slogans printed on them.

  27. John D   3 years ago

    One way to make sure there are no late flights, would be to eliminate all flights. Of course really what we need is a federal law against bad weather. We don't have one yet despite the best efforts of Bernie & the gang, but perhaps soon ...

  28. Nick   3 years ago

    Hey Liz, I know you don't get to write heds for your blog posts here on Reason, but here's some options to test when this falls as flat as your usual open rate:

    WHY DO FRAGILE LIBERTARIANS LOVE PAYING HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO BE TREATED LIKE PRISONERS?

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    WHY HOURS-LONG AIRPORT DELAYS ARE KEY TO BEATING INFLATION, RESTORING FREEDOM, AND FIGHTING INTERNATIONAL COMMUNISM

  29. DocRab   3 years ago

    The guy is a total whack-a-doodle, and the media should never quote any babble emanating from his mouth. Other than that, he looks like a nice man.

  30. TangoDelta   3 years ago

    Great. If he gets his way there will be only 5 flights per day out of any airport and tickets will be $47,000 for cattle class.

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