Here's What Happened When Other Countries Rolled Back Abortion Rights
El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Poland offer a window into a post-Roe world.

With the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the United States has become the fourth country in the world to roll back abortion rights since 1994. Following the Court's decision, almost all abortions will become illegal in 13 states as so-called trigger laws took effect.
Unlike laws implemented in other countries following abortion rights rollbacks, many trigger laws preserve exceptions, like if the mother's life is in danger. Others also include exceptions for rape and incest. Still, as both sides of the U.S. abortion debate try to make sense of what a post-Roe world looks like, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Poland offer a glimpse of how countries enforce laws prohibiting elective abortion.
Since 1998, El Salvador's constitution has enshrined into law the idea that personhood begins at conception. All abortions are prohibited under the law, with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the mother's life. Over 140 women in the last 24 years have been arrested and imprisoned under El Salvador's abortion law, some of whom did not have an abortion but experienced a miscarriage. Charged with aggravated homicide, some women have received decadeslong prison sentences. El Salvador's abortion ban has also disproportionately impacted poor women, indigenous women, and rural women, according to abortion rights advocates.
Nicaragua similarly implemented a total ban on abortion in November 2006. This overturned a long-standing law that allowed "therapeutic" abortions when the life of a pregnant woman was in danger, provided she had the consent of three doctors. According to a study conducted by Ipas, a reproductive rights group, 1,300 girls between the ages of 10 and 14 become pregnant through rape each year in the country.
Comprehensive data are hard to come by, given crackdowns by the government of President Daniel Ortega, but the Ipas report also raised concerns about frequent cases of pregnancy-related deaths. By October 2007, at least 80 women had reportedly died as a result of the abortion ban, according to Human Rights Watch. Dozens of women died in successive years, according to Amnesty International. Those numbers are expected to have continued climbing amid economic downturns in the country.
Doctors in Nicaragua have described a chilling effect on obstetric care. Afraid of potential criminal liability, doctors often refuse to treat women experiencing hemorrhages, even post-menopausal hemorrhaging, as they worry they might be charged as accomplices to abortions. Women have also been driven to alternative methods of terminating their pregnancies, including the usage of herbal medicines and underground abortion clinics.
Though Nicaragua rarely prosecutes women under the law, women still have been the targets of regular criminal complaints. One study found that hundreds of women have been investigated since the 2006 law took effect, many reported by partners and family members.
Anti-abortion legislation is not exclusive to Latin America. Poland, one of the first countries in Europe to allow abortion in limited cases, has seen a rapid reversal in its abortion laws. First legalized in 1932, abortion was initially allowed in Poland just for medical purposes. Later, Poland's communist government introduced several liberalizing reforms to the law, increasing access and legal rights to abortions.
However, following the end of communist rule, activists in Poland began an aggressive push to ban abortion. Buoyed by the backing of the Catholic Church, campaigners began chipping away at Poland's liberal abortion law through legal challenges and new legislation. After three decades, Poland officially abolished abortion in 2021 in almost all circumstances, even in the case of a detected fetal impairment. Abortion is now only legal in cases where the mother's life is in danger and when the pregnancy is the result of a criminal act, such as rape. The law also bans individuals from helping others access abortion, including ordering abortion pills.
One part of Poland's abortion law that has received intense scrutiny is its national database of patient information. Earlier this month, Polish Health Minister Adam Niedzielski announced that pregnancies would now be recorded in a national patient information database. Though the Polish government has assured citizens that only medical professionals would have access to this information, many womens rights advocates worry about the consequences.
"Being pregnant means that police can come to you any time and prosecutors can come to you to ask you questions about your pregnancy," Marta Lempart, a Polish activist, told the Associated Press earlier this month.
These laws had already been on the minds of many U.S. abortion activists before Dobbs. Now, some worry about what will happen in trigger-law states as authorities begin enforcing these bans.
"What is happening today with Roe v. Wade, is worrying because what is going to happen in the United States, unfortunately, is that it will become Central America," Sara García Gross, a Salvadoran activist, told The Independent.
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It is as if you people pretend that 1973 was the beginning of time.
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It is as if you are unaware of the reasons abortion was legalized in 1973:
https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2003/03/lessons-roe-will-past-be-prologue
It's two generations worth of humans. People get used to freedom and like it. Evidently they won't fight for that freedom though because polls still show that Republicans remain popular despite their radical 40% that want to rescind civil and personal rights and return to the 1950s of only white men being the ones who could earn a decent living and have real freedom.
You know that doesn't actually reflect any Republican platforms.
Most of us are really confused with the accusations that we are racist. After all, the policies we support are racially neutral.
Hey if you have trouble killing babies, ask your employer some are helping women kill their babies
Only White men? What are you a racist? You should go to bed every night thanking your lord for White men, who have done everything to make life easier on this planet.........Praise the White men!!
Seriously? Most of Europe has more restrictive abortion laws.
Bullshit, I'm really tired about hearing that Sweden and France have 13,14 week limits or whatever. Abortions are frequently performed later than these limits and prosecutors almost never prosecute them.
The Netherlands is famous for it's pot cafes, but they never officially legalized pot, they just refused to ever prosecute people for selling pot. Western European nations have the same attitude to abortions, they never bother to investigate how far along the pregnancies actually are.
Abortions are frequently performed later than these limits and prosecutors almost never prosecute them.
So they are illegal past that. "Almost never" is not the same as "never" you clown.
Western European nations have the same attitude to abortions, they never bother to investigate how far along the pregnancies actually are.
What makes you think the US will be any different?
States like Texas and Mississippi will most certainly try to prosecute anyone that has an abortion past their week limits. Just like they prosecute anyone for possessing even the smallest amount of weed. Or prosecute anyone for any minor crime. Prosecutors in those states never refuse to prosecute anyone for anything.
They don't in Europe either. You were lying.
We are dealing with reality not the lies the voices in your head tell you.
Here is the latest hypocritical politician: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/18/herschel-walker-fathers-day-weekend-pass-social-conservatives-00040710 Social conservative crowd cheers Herschel Walker after revelations of undiscussed kids… The former Heisman winner got applause from the Faith & Freedom crowd, after a week of reports that he had more children than he’d publicly acknowledged.
My comments: I know the type! Big Man on Campus sports super-heroes need NOT follow the rules of the mere mortals! “Pro-family-values” square-jawed super-hero Republicans like Herschel Walker will be cheering the new abortion restrictions, ‘cause their lied-to harems full of fertile babes will now have a MUCH harder time of using abortion as “veto power” against lying scum-bucket men!!! Herschel Walker and ALL the other “Lying Lotharios” for the win!
Fuck off, retard.
27 states require the use of the (sonogram) “shaming wand” in order for the shamed (slutty) women to get abortions; see https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/ultrasound-requirements/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D . Not to worry too terribly much? Now, this has yet to be tried in the courts, but the supposedly “slutty” women MIGHT be able to get “religious exemptions” from the shaming wand! For details about that, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/
Fuck off, retard.
They don't frequently abort after the limits. They managed to compromise on safe, legal, and rare... and then stick to it. Unlike here where tards like the new and inferior Lc-1789 insisted "'Safe, legal, and rare' isn't enough! We won't stop until they're just legal!"
Abortions are frequently performed later than these limits and prosecutors almost never prosecute them.
They're still illegal and your inference to the contrary is bullshit.
Western European nations have the same attitude to abortions as pot cafes
That's not even close to being true. You're flat out making shit up.
No, prosecutors don't ignore late term conviniance abortions in Europe. No, they're not ignored by the governments and medical boards.
This isn't Huffpo where you can get away with lying and everyone is too stupid to notice.
"This isn't Huffpo where you can get away with lying and everyone is too stupid to notice."
Can one get away with being an "Expert Christian Theologian" around here, and then advocate and practice suicide-pushing and identity theft, Oh Perfect Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer?
Hypocrite much, Oh Perfect One?
Fuck off, retard.
Don't worry the Republican Religious and Vagina police are on it lol. If you aren't freaked out by evangelicals taking over the republican party I guess that's okay too.
Baby killers ( Oh let me I'll stick a knife in its head).
As opposed to Baby killers taking over the Democratic party. Look if you're too far along for a abortion, just wait till the baby's born then kill it. Oh but don't give your baby a name. That may or may not stop baby killing Democrats.
That is not true.
I am french and if it is true that there is no prosecution that's mainly because the medical profession more or less respects the law: abortions (outside of health concerns for the woman or the fetus) are NOT frequently performed after the 14-week limits. The contrary is actually true: in practice it is hard to get an abortion just near the limit.
Stories of women that have to go to the Netherlands for abortion are pretty common.
So will the falling sky kill us all before global climate warming change get us?
After today's ruling against the EPA, the end of all life on Earth has been moved up to next week.
Magic Unicorn Farts will SAVE us, Oh Unicorn Abattoir!!! Surely, as ye slay them and butcher them, you can save (and bottle) just a FEW unicorn farts? PLEASE?!?!?
Fuck off, retard.
Did they forget to move the Doomsday Clock back after Trump left office and get stuck moving it forward with these SCOTUS decisions?
El Salvador's abortion ban has also disproportionately impacted poor women, indigenous women, and rural women
In other words, 99.9% of all Salvadoran women.
This is how you know reason has become a trash heap of retarded woke racial Marxism. If you think a policy is bad or unlibritarian argue it on the grounds of that, not on the grounds of "ohhh but it hurts (insert media favored group here)"
Maybe you could educate them, Telling them that spreading your legs having sex could result in having a baby. Eh?
What we see is not really a reverence for life but rather a mechanism to control women. To monitoring them and punish them even when not warranted, as in the case of natural miscarriages. As is usually the case, the poorest and least powerful are victimized the most.
The reality is that those people who are against abortion could work to reduce the need for abortions. Instead, their focus is on making it illegal and punishing people.
How about the women exerting a modicum of control over themselves - like using contraception or abstaining during the most likely fertile days?
What do you think this is, a libertarian site? No, the current libertine cultural marxist zeitgeist says women are completely devoid of agency when necessary to push the current narrative.
I don't understand these libertarians who are constantly attacking freedom of women and people of color lol. They claim they like personal freedom yet want laws written that control them. It's ludicrous. Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. Don't like black people? Don't go around them, but stop trying to bring back abortion bans and segregation with the Supreme Court.
comparing literally backwater medically countries to America where if there is a medical issue the woman has a far greater chance of surviving or are we not going to allow women medical treatment either. typical Bs form Reason. We can save lives because we can. instead of outrageous comparison why don't they try to argue for compassionate reasons to make abortion legal in these areas again. something along the lines of do you really don't want people who want abortions to be giving birth anyway.
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If you follow the link and translate the Nicaragua article, it says the problem is children who have been raped can't get abortions. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that isn't going to be much of a problem in the US.
Of course it will be a problem here. The most common defense against rape is that it was consensual. Iow - plenty of states will wait for a trial.
You do realize that some of the state bans make no exception for rape or incest, right?
Example, please, or else you're full of shit.
You're probably full of shit anyways.
The Dobbs case had no rape exception. However, it did allow no-cause abortion to 15 weeks. So, any victims could use the same general allowance.
The Texas law that led to RvW also had a rape exception. Ms. Roe herself was quoted as getting advice to say she was raped by a black man, but she declined to lie in order to get the abortion.
Oh of course we know Blacks never rape White Women.
You'd be wrong, most of these trigger laws say even if an 11 year old gets incestuously raped she has to have the baby. That's how fucking insane these MAGAs actually are.
Please reference an actual state. Which law?
A few weeks ago, people were claiming Oklahoma had passed the most restrictive law in the land, which was 6 weeks no-cause plus a rape exception and medical necessity anytime.
When you have to lie to support your cause you don't have an argument.
And the left thinks she should be free to get an abortion without parental consent, shielding whatever monster impregnated her and likely enabling her abuser to continue abusing her!
And last I checked, the vast majority of the right is in favor of abortion for rape.
So in what way do those restrictions align with the return of abortion policy to the states that is the result of Dobbs you retarded, dishonest cunt? Did your mother abort you and that's where you get the flatline brainpower for a take like this? Of not, could you rectify her mistake.
Jesus H. Fucking Christ on a popsicle stick, just stop already. I never thought a country could collectively whine this hard.
Abortion is now only legal in cases where the mother's life is in danger and when the pregnancy is the result of a criminal act, such as rape.
The Church really seems to have dropped the ball on that second piece. If you believe it's a life, what difference does what the parents did make.
Yeah I don't get it. If a life is a life is a life, "you wouldn't be here if it weren't for X so, to the firing squad for you" doesn't seem like a consistent principle.
Too long to explain here but look up the “famous violinist thought experiment” It makes a good case that abortion should be allowed in cases of pregnancy by rape.
If abortion is really murder, that for logical consistency it should not be allowed even in cases of rape or incest, and every miscarriage should be investigated as a potential homicide. Which show that the idea that abortion is murder is a logical farce.
Miscarriage isn't a potential homicide. It's a tragic accident. Seriously, people take this far more strictly than they need to and then accuse people of hypocrisy for not following the absolutely evil script that they set up for the caricature of a position.
My guess is there might be a lot of "rape" going on to justify abortions...
The Church is very consistent about that in its teachings. It's just less directly involved with the debate than a lot of people presume. The Catholic Church is easy to target though in a way that distributed evangelical churches and actors without institutional ties.
Plus, the Catholic Church is a long running spook in the US, so that helps as well.
That said, my guess is the percentage of pro-abortion Catholic priests is probably higher than the percentage of pro-abortion Evangelical ministers at this point as well.
This is a different topic though about the state of the Church.
The Nicaraguan Sandinistas are pretty much literally Communists, and yet they enacted an abortion ban that Republicans in this country wouldn't dare go for.
"Following the Court's decision, almost all abortions will become illegal in 13 states as so-called trigger laws took effect."
Meanwhile dozens of other states are going to continue ripping your fetuses to bits for you; and big companies, terrified of paying maternity leave, will ship you there for free.
This ruling is in no way equivalent (sadly).
Now do France.
How did Reason become so ignorant of the Constitution and unable to read a SCOTUS decision?
Every state gets to decide how to handle the abortion issue. Abortion will always be available and women are allowed to travel freely in this country if they don't want to be a responsible adult and take advantage of the multitude of contraception methods unavailable prior to the pill in 1964.
With the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, the United States has become the fourth country in the world to roll back abortion rights since 1994.
Whoa, this is a false statement and ad minimum, a completely deceptive mischaracterization.
The us did not "roll back" abortion rights as a singular end-move on the boardgame. It returned the question to the states. Given the diversity of state governments we have, some places in this country will or might actually EXPAND abortion rights, while others may roll them back or create clearer limits on the procedure, similar to other liberal western countries. So right off the bat, you're making an inapt comparison.
"What is happening today with Roe v. Wade, is worrying because what is going to happen in the United States, unfortunately, is that it will become Central America," Sara García Gross, a Salvadoran activist, told The Independent.
*facepalm*
We might become like Venezuela or some other Central American countries, but it ain't gonna be because of the Roe V Wade "rollback".
""What is happening today with Roe v. Wade, is worrying because what is going to happen in the United States, unfortunately, is that it will become Central America," Sara García Gross, a Salvadoran activist, told The Independent.
*facepalm*"
Then it really makes one wonder why they want to come here so badly.
lol Poland has fewer people than California and isn't divided into states. totes apples to apples
also nobody rolled back anything.
All abortions are prohibited under the law, with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the mother's life. Over 140 women in the last 24 years have been arrested and imprisoned under El Salvador's abortion law, some of whom did not have an abortion but experienced a miscarriage
So given the laws, did it not strike anyone as a shockingly low number? Less than 6 women per year, and that's in a country where the law says they can absolutely prosecute women for getting an abortion. Most abortion laws we see proposed on state levels go after providers instead of individuals.
According to a study conducted by Ipas, a reproductive rights group, 1,300 girls between the ages of 10 and 14 become pregnant through rape each year in the country.
Comprehensive data are hard to come by, given crackdowns by the government of President Daniel Ortega, but the Ipas report also raised concerns about frequent cases of pregnancy-related deaths.
And here's the other extreme. It's very hard for us to get data but we're sure that 1,300 girls get pregnant from being raped every year. Does that number sound reasonable? I don't know what Nicaragua is actually like but I'm a tad skeptical here.
In a Catholic country with no separation of Church and State.
My guess is that all sex with 10-14 year olds is classified as rape (not unreasonably) and they have approximately that many pregnancies each year in that age range.
I could accept that, but here's where it's not reasonable. They make the category go as low as possible for the outrage factor. How many ACTUAL ten year olds are getting pregnant each year? 2? 3? Probably that figure is skewing HEAVILY toward the older end of the range.
And when you get into that group, how much of it is 14 year old girls having sex with their 14-16 year old boyfriends behind their parents' backs? Now we don't have to be happy about that, I'm not a fan of sexualizing children. There's probably some issues with getting contraception, and with sex education in general if this is an epidemic. But that's much less sensational than claiming that thousands of 11 year olds get raped every year, when they're lumped into a category including 14 year olds making shitty life choices.
Beyond that, how are we supposed to trust where the 1,300 pregnancies figure comes from when they admit that there's limited data? Are they finding a small sample and massively extrapolating in a way that benefits their own bias? An advocacy group for reproductive rights is not a completely unbiased source, they have a dog in this fight.
I'm not a fan of sexualizing children.
Get out of the comment section, phobe.
Oh God, "pedophobia" is going to become a talking point isn't it?
Are you seriously questioning that a 10-14 yo girl getting pregnant is necessarily the result of rape? Mind. Blown.
There is no abortion issue.
There is a bodily autonomy issue.
All or nothing. Everyone or no one.
"My body = my choice" means "my body = my choice."
All the districts have to join together if they hope to beat President Snow. Just like all the Indian tribes should have joined together.
And frankly, as with the Indian tribes, it is not just a matter of sitting on the sidelines - it is a matter of some people wanting "my body = my choice" for THEIR choices and ACTIVELY OPPOSING "my body = my choice" for OTHER people's choices.
A PRIME example of this is the pro-abortion camp. Almost everyone running around now with signs that say "my body = my choice" were FULLY SUPPORTIVE of EXECUTIVE ORDERS that dictated whether, when and for what purpose I could take MY body out of my own apartment!!!!
No. I'm done. I'll be the first to join a "bodily autonomy is a right" movement (which would, legally, make the most sense, since it would guaranty equal protection for everyone's choices, and since it's awfully hard to argue "unenumerated rights" and then try to enumerate them so that your choices with your body get special treatment).
End Selective Service
End the War on Drugs - all drugs
End Controlled Substances
End government decrees about what I'm allowed to eat, drink or smoke
Ensure no more lockdowns or vaccine mandates unless the vaccine in question actually does stop transmission of the disease in question
End the prohibition of the sex trade
End the prohibition of suicide
Stop prohibiting me from selling the right to harvest MY OWN ORGANS - if your as-yet-undeveloped fetus is your body, my kidney is my body
OMNIBUS. EVERYONE's body, EVERYONE's choice, or I'm out.
There are two bodies in every abortion and only one of them is getting to make a choice.
Three if you include the immediate "stakeholders" in the decision. My body my choice is kind of a lie when the back half of one of those decisions in the involuntary servitude of another without his knowledge or consent.
Responsibility minus authority equals slavery.
https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141
My body my choice is a partisan political statement, not a moral one. Drag out to make a political point and then ignored when it does not fit their narrative.
You gave the hypocrites a great answer.
The frequency of articles on Reason supporting the federal government usurping states' powers is disturbing. Abortion was one such usurpation. And it appears to be one such instance of so-called "libertarian" Reason supporting anti-federalism, anti-democratic policies.
And the ridiculous fear-mongering by comparing the US to some countries with awful anti-abortion laws should never appear in a place called "Reason."
Get use to it...
SCOTUS just made pregnant women slaves of the Government..
Everyone except for pregnant women own themselves...
Pregnant women are property of the State now...
F'En idiots...
Rub a Pro-Life Republican and out pops a leftard.
El Salvador? Nicaragua? Poland? Pssssshhhhhh.
We're now the literal fucking Republic of Gilead.
Great Article
The US is neither a Catholic super majority country or a dictatorship. Can you find a more representative country to make your point?
Also how about talking about China where abortion became a state population control and women were forced to have abortions under duress if they already had a child. How that has impacted China to the point baby girls were killed, they have a majority of marriage age men with no women for wives and their population is collapsing. Just to be fair and see both sides of the story.
Oh how I like some of the well reasoned arguments and the respectful attention of all the participants in this thread. Bombs?
Is it rape if a 13 year old says yes? etc.
Everybody has a right to an opinion but in this case, the weight should be given to those among us who have a functioning uterus (and are of voting age). Shut the "f " up guys.
Why it should've never been a power granted to [WE] mobs (others)..
It's PERSONAL.
Didn't the Busheviks assure us that if we "fought them over there" that we not "have fight them over here."
How'd that promise work out?
Oh, I remember how it worked out now, it didn't - Welcome to Sharia in action, Biotches.
Funny thing is that millions of pro choice people such as myself are already offering to mail abortion pills to women in red states. And give them money to travel to blue states if they need to get a medical abortion. My governor and AG have already said they will not help red state prosecutors prosecute people like me.
You rednecks will stop literally 0 abortions.
No right wingers ever use Venezuela for comparison...
Very violent fantasies you have, yet you will still never stop any woman from getting an abortion. I will do whatever I can to help a woman in a red state get one, including spending my own money. Millions of us will do the same.
Who just stole Lovecon's nick?
Is that you again Shrike?
Lovecon, way to go! I'm PROUD of you!
Just recall this: "The righteous will be persecuted".
Hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Condoms, diaphragms and the pill don't exist in M4E's little world.
"not getting pregnant is not hard". Except for rape and incest, which most certainly isn't the woman's fault. Even pregnancies that are not the result of rape or incest are not always the woman's fault. For example I knew a woman the got pregnant and couldn't figure out how, since she always used contraception. Well her boyfriend eventually admitted to her that he poked holes in the condoms. He was sure that she'd have to marry him after she got pregnant. Instead she left him and had an abortion. But there's a lot more stories like that than you would think.
I see that misogyny is still strong among the Reason commentators. Yes, not getting pregnant is easy, men have done it for hundreds of years.
Statistically insignificant, and you know it.
You're like the fatties saying that you shouldn't "fat shame" because sometimes it's glandular, when 99.9% of the time it's because you're a lazy pig who eats too much.
I guess maybe she should have taken more personal responsibility for not getting pregnant, instead of relying on her bf.
I'm sure there are more stories like that, if you hang out with primarily psychos.
So, abortion goes back to the states and America turns into El Salvador. Okay.
Yeah.... boyfriends poking holes in condoms hmm well that's sure a dam good reason to go on a baby killing spree. Sorry.
"Except for rape and incest"
...and the other 95%+ of abortions?
Of course it is. He has already forgotten what state he lives in.
I told you that in confidence.
To this day I can't look at kale without PTSD flashbacks.
You selfish fuckers want to turn the human race into elephant seals!
Let's all be "scientific"-minded and data-driven like Goldilicks GorillaShit, the fartilized egg smell worshipper! Let's all worship the fartilized egg smells so that “Lying Lothario” (in full, is AKA “Leisure Suit Larry the Lying Lothario in the Land of the Lounge Lizards”) can knock up entire harems of lied-to babes, and then desert them, knowing full well that they will be FORCED to give birth! Thus, we will no longer be "men" as we know it! Are we not men? We are devolving! We will trample underfoot, the already-born young, in our harem-gathering mating-fights over the lied-to babes, just as elephant seals trample their already-born young under-fin, in THEIR mating fights! THIS is the vision of the human future for US, by Overt the Harem-of-lied-to-babes-fighting Pervert! WORSHIP those fartilized egg smells some MORE, and THIS will ??? mystically, magically somehow combat our species perversion into forgetting about how to be good fathers, while we fight over harem-gathering, and take away women's (abortion) "veto powers" against Lying Lothario!
Actually DATA-DRIVEN folks will examine the RESULTS OF OUR POLICIES IN THE REAL WORLD! See "The Sociobiology of Abortion" subsection of http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ ...
I'm just curious how you think these types of comments are advancing the conversation.
You think abortion tourism will be sustainable in a time of inflation and broken economy? I wouldn't be surprised if this little saga is an afterthought only 5 years from now, when the world economy is officially in the crapper.
"You rednecks will stop literally 0 abortions."
OK, but you are spreading that message to the wrong people. Make some signs and distribute it to those who think we have now become the Literal Handmaid's Tale.
I can neither confirm nor deny this is happening.
So Love constitution, you are damn determined to kill babies eh? You sick fk.
Your right love constitution: Baby killers like you will find a way , while we " rednecks" try to stop you from putting a knife in a baby's head.
"I'll offer a compromise."
See ya double! GRAND Compromise for YOU, Goldilicks GorillaShit!!!
STOP THE PRESSES! HOT NEWS FLASH!
INSSSSIGHT (Infallibly Noble, Succulently Scientific SQRLSY-Survey Intelligently Gathered Hot Takes) has conducted in-person surveys of almost 10 million Democrats very recently, and here are the findings! Today’s USA Democrats identify or agree with the below statements at the following rates (please ignore sum total mismatches with 100% due to rounding errors):
‘A) 0.15%: “Marxism is the One True Way, and North Korea is Utopia on Earth!”
‘B) 0.25%: “Antifa, the Lizard People, and BLM are the ONLY ones properly qualified to teach CRT to all of Our Children, all of which MUST be embraced by ALL schools!”
‘C) 0.65%: “The Republican Party must be outlawed ASAP, because they are grooming innocent young people to become Republicans! Also, chimpanzees and monkeys that have been grooming each other need to be prevented from performing ANY further grooming! Everyone knows that grooming is horrible!”
‘D) 2.3%: “Religion (especially Christian religion) must be kept out of the schools and public policy debates! However, the ironclad, unquestionable revelations to Democrats concerning the Earth Mother Gaia, and the facts that higher minimum wages don’t cause unemployment, and that forced-lower rents don’t cause homelessness, may NOT be questioned, because they are compassionate and self-evident, and do NOT come from God, so they are NOT religious beliefs.”
‘E) 17%: “I know that higher minimum wages cause more unemployment, and that forced-lower rents cause homelessness among the poor, but I get SOOOO much pleasure out of punishing the evil Republicans, that I consider the punishment inflicted on the poor, by these Democrat policies, to be just a bit of ‘collateral damage’. And WHY do the Republicans deserve punishment? As revenge for the damage that they do to the poor, by using statist womb control to force them to have larger families. Republicans thus thwart the ‘demographic transition’ for the poor, through policies that encourage ‘the rich will get richer, while the poor will have more children’. So we must PUNISH the Republicans for this! Revenge is ours!”
‘F) 30%: “I know that higher minimum wages cause more unemployment, and that forced-lower rents cause homelessness among the poor, but I can’t find any Democrat politicians that will vote my way on these issues, and I can’t bring myself to vote Republican or Libertarian, because most of them are so pro-life that they want to take over my womb, my wife’s womb, or my girlfriend’s womb.”
‘G) 50%: “I would LOVE to see a Grand Compromise whereby Democrats stops punishing the poor with higher minimum wages AND excessive licensing laws which ultimately cause more unemployment, and with forced-lower rents that ultimately cause homelessness among the poor, and Republicans cease and desist with anti-abortion and anti-birth-control laws that ALSO punish the poor! ALL statist policies that yank the ladders of success away from the poor should be removed! However, Republicans are fanatics who won’t listen to reason. So for now, I’ll keep on voting “D”, and the poor will keep on having more and more children, they’ll vote “D”, out-vote the “R” fanatics, and THEN we can perhaps finally get to a sensible-policies-place!”
“Give a little to get a little”, said a materialistic slutty girlfriend of mine way back when. See https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/love-language-youre-more-likely-170236564.html “If This Is Your Love Language, You're More Likely to Divorce”… Couples treasure the following items, or express their love in the following ways, says this article: ‘1) gifts (presents), ‘2) quality time together, ‘3) acts of service (AKA work… Do the dishes already!), ‘4) words; I love you, etc., ‘5) physical touch (affection).
Beware of #1!!! Materialism, gifts, status symbols, conspicuous consumption!.. Designer this and designer that! “I spent more money on you than you spent on me!” A quick way to fights, broken relationships, and divorces! Achtung, Baby!
Well, I digress. “Give a little to get a little” can make a LOT more sense in politics!!!
Hey, look, assholes, see what the above polling data says!!! Combine categories E, F, and G, and 97% of Democrats would be open to having Republicans give a little, to get a little! “Team R” gives up being “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs, and “team D” gives up being “compassionate” with other peoples’ money! Only self-righteous assholery stands in our way!!!
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Goldilicks GorillaShit is suggesting suicide for whoever may oppose The Grand Vision of Goldilicks GorillaShit the Vile and Vapid Authoritarian, if I have it right, here...
To this I say...
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Tony at least argues from honesty unlike the others. Even Joe Friday admits he has a left bias. The others not so much.
"R" Party is Our Party is the GOOD party! The Party of the Sex Pistols and the Sex Postals, with which you may R-Party-ON, and go Sex Postal with your Sex Pistol, and rape or deceive ALL the young babes, your "binders full of young women", whose binders bind them to be womb-slaves, and then MAKE them carry to term, their Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells! All Hail the Every Sperm Which Is Sacred!
Black women in the USA today get abortions at a high rate… “the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women”, from https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture . (Hispanics are intermediate here FYI). I’ll get back to this momentarily…
Say the following (which I regard to be true) and many conservatives will immediately agree: We can be OUTWARDLY “compassionate” while harming people. Minimum wages and rent controls come to mind! Of COURSE we are compassionate when we mandate higher pay and lower rent! Yet if we do these kinds of things to ANY significant degree, we “dry up” many of both the available low-wage jobs and the available apartments! Now go be jobless and homeless, ye victims of our “compassion”! Because businesses and landlords don’t want to lose money! Plain and simple!
Then WHY can’t conservatives see the similar dynamic when trying to be “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs? Sure, we all love babies! But what happens to the victims, not just of “Lying Lothario”, but also of birth-control failures, and of genetic and developmental (in-the-womb) defects? “The rich will get richer, and the poor will have children”! More non-wage-earning babies and children in a family is a straight, unadulterated input contributing to poverty! It’s not what most people desire or admire, sure, but abortion is backup birth control. Our new USA move towards outlawing more and more abortions, in more states, will aggravate poverty among the poor, Blacks, and Hispanics, who can’t afford to travel for abortions, as easily as richer Whites can. We’ll be thwarting the “demographic transition” (https://populationeducation.org/what-demographic-transition-model/#:~:text=The%20Demographic%20Transition%20Model%20(DTM,as%20that%20country%20develops%20economically ) for poor residents of the USA! The rich yank the ladder out from the grasp of the could-be-climbing poor, with abortion laws, just as they do with minimum wages, rent controls, and excessive job-licensing laws!
I guess maybe YOU should have taken more personal responsibility for not eating too many sugars, Oh Perfectly Self-Righteous One!
NO dentistry for YOUR tooth decay, oh morally inferior one, who DARES to make mistakes!!!
(I say this, 'cause I just LOVE to punish people, and boss them around!)
Fuck off, retarded Goldilicks GorillaShit!
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I've met broken record players that are smarter and more original than YOU, Oh Perfect One!
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No leftists ever advocate the same policies as Venezuela...
That's hardly an argument for banning abortion. What kind of libertarian thinks that individual lives don't matter because they're part of a group small enough to be 'statistically insignificant'?
Arguing that abortion shouldn’t be banned because 1% of abortions are because of rape (I seriously doubt there’s a ton of consensual incest resulting in pregnancy), seems like a bad faith argument.
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Don't worry the Republican Religious and Vagina police are on it lol. If you aren't freaked out by evangelicals taking over the republican party I guess that's okay too.
There is nothing more mysoginistic than promoting an exclusively female right to abortion that intentionally abandons a woman (whose state is the result of TWO people’s actions) to deal with the consequences ALONE and then proceed to murder her own offspring ALONE, absolving the man of any and all responsibility, moral decision making, and wrong doing.
"men have done it for hundreds of years."
More like millions.
That whole pesky biology thing.