Will Tonight's Capitol Riot Hearing Deliver Bombshells or Be Another Dud?
Plus: Families sue over Texas directive on care for transgender kids, teleworker taxes will come before Ohio Supreme Court, and more...

Spoiler alert. It's been nearly a year and a half since Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. Since then, the events of January 6 have been subject to intense scrutiny from law enforcement, legislators, pundits, and the press. So it's hard to imagine what new information could possibly come out in tonight's first public hearing on the day's events. But aides for the House select committee investigating January 6 are promising just that.
"There will be a lot of new information revealed at [Thursday's] hearing," a committee aide told reporters yesterday, per CNBC. "We will be revealing new details showing that the violence of January 6 was the result of a coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and stop the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden."
The new information will reveal "that former president Donald Trump was at the center of that effort," the aide added.
As a teaser, it's good stuff. But I can't help but suspect it's a little overhyped. It's hard to imagine any bombshells having been discovered in the committee's investigation and yet kept quietly under wraps until now.
Besides, congressional committee hearings have a way of promising big reveals and then merely delivering a string of fluffy soundbite moments for committee members.
But we shall see! The hearing is scheduled to start tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern and will be aired live on the committee's YouTube page, as well as approximately everywhere else. "All of the major broadcast networks plan to carry the hearing live, as do the major cable news networks, with the exception of Fox News," points out The New York Times, which will also be streaming the hearing live on its website.
"The nine-member committee is expected to show video from the day of the attack, and to hear testimony from a Capitol Police officer, Caroline Edwards, who suffered a traumatic brain injury from the violence," notes CNBC:
Also scheduled to testify is Nick Quested, a documentary filmmaker, who was following members of the far-right Proud Boys group in the days before the riot and on the day of the invasion itself.
A panel aide said that the committee will also present previously unseen records and tape from prior witnesses interviews, including senior Trump administration officials, campaign aides and family members of the former Republican president.
Some Republican officials have been refusing to comply with the investigation. In a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) accused the committee members (of which seven of nine members are Democrats) of "weaponizing government to attack Republicans."
The panel has subpoenaed McCarthy, Jordan, and three other Republican representatives: Andy Biggs of Arizona, Mo Brooks of Alabama, and Scott Perry of Pennsylvania. McCarthy wrote in a letter to the committee that he would not comply with the subpoena. Biggs, Jordan, and Perry have also pushed back on demands that they testify.
My response to the Select Committee: https://t.co/iYQFDszwWg
— Kevin McCarthy (@SpeakerMcCarthy) May 27, 2022
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PFLAG, ACLU, and Lambda Legal sue over Texas transgender directive, say family was investigated after trans teen's suicide attempt. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Lambda Legal have filed a lawsuit against Texas leaders on behalf of PFLAG, an organization representing the families of LGBTQ people. The suit seeks to stop a directive that families allowing minor children with gender dysphoria to receive "gender affirming care" should be investigated for child abuse.
"After the Texas Legislature failed to pass legislation criminalizing well-established and medically necessary treatment for adolescents with gender dysphoria, the Texas Governor, Attorney General, and Commissioner of the Department of Family and Protective Services have attempted to legislate by fiat and press release," states their lawsuit, filed in the District Court of Travis County, Texas. More from the suit:
Governor Abbott's letter instructing DFPS to investigate the families of transgender children is entirely without constitutional or statutory authority; and despite this, the Commissioner nonetheless has implemented a substantive regulatory change, starting with a statement directing DFPS to carry out the Governor's wishes and subsequently carried out through an unauthorized process that defies both the agency's authority and its longstanding policies and practices.
The Governor and Commissioner have circumvented the will of the Legislature and, in so doing, they have run afoul of numerous constitutional and statutory limits on their power. Additionally, by their actions, Defendants have trampled on the constitutional and statutory rights of transgender children and their parents.…The Governor has also declared that teachers, doctors, and the general public should be required, on pain of criminal penalty, to report to DFPS any person who provides or is suspected of providing medical treatment for gender dysphoria, a recognized condition with well-established treatment protocols. And DFPS has launched investigations into families for child abuse based on reports that the families have followed doctor-recommended treatments for their adolescent children. The Commissioner and DFPS have recently resumed these unlawful investigations, which have already caused lasting harm to Plaintiffs in this case.
The actions of the Governor, the Commissioner, and DFPS violate the Texas Administrative Procedure Act, are ultra vires and therefore invalid, violate the separation of powers guaranteed by the Texas Constitution, and violate equality and due process protections guaranteed by the Texas Constitution. Plaintiffs ask the Court for declaratory and injunctive relief to remedy these violations of Texas law and of the plaintiffs' rights and to immediately return to the status quo ante. Plaintiffs also seek a temporary restraining order and preliminary injunction only against the Commissioner and DFPS to maintain the status quo ante and prevent them from continuing to cause Plaintiffs irreparable harm while this case proceeds.
In addition to PFLAG, plaintiffs include Mirabel Voe—the mother of Antonio Voe—and the families of two other transgender minors. Antonio Voe is 16 years old, began taking puberty blockers in 2021, and started hormone therapy this past January.
"On February 22, the same day as Abbott's Letter, Antonio attempted to die by suicide by ingesting a bottle of aspirin. Antonio said that the political environment, including Abbott's Letter, and being misgendered at school, led him to take these actions," states the lawsuit.
Following the attempt, Antonio was admitted to a local hospital, which referred him to an outpatient psychiatric facility. He was transported to that facility on February 24.
While at that outpatient facility, the staff there learned that Antonio had been prescribed hormone therapy for the treatment of gender dysphoria. During a family therapy session, staff at the facility told Antonio and his mom that their family might be reported for "child abuse" because of Abbott's Letter and DFPS's new rule.
Antonio was discharged from the psychiatric facility on March 5.On March 11, an investigator from CPS visited the family's home to interview Antonio and Mirabel.
You can read the full petition here.
This is the second suit against the directive that the ACLU has helped bring.
"In March, a district judge granted an injunction blocking the state from continuing these investigations or opening new ones," notes The Texas Tribune. But the state appealed and the Texas Supreme Court said last month that it may resume investigations, albeit not against the one family that had sued.
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Ohio Supreme Court will consider taxes on teleworkers. As more and more people have been working from home, the question of where they must pay taxes has become a contentious issue. Do they pay to the place where their employer is located, or to the location of the residence from which they are working? Last year, for instance, the Massachusetts Supreme Court decided not to take up a case in which New Hampshire sued over Massachusetts' policy of taxing people working remotely and out of state for companies based in Massachusetts. Now, a similar case—but involving cities instead of states—has made it to the Ohio Supreme Court.
At the center of the case is teleworker Josh Schaad, who says the city of Cincinnati has unjustly taxed him for remote work. "In this case Mr. Schaad lives outside the city of Cincinnati—he lives in Blue Ash—yet he was paying Cincinnati tax for all the work he did in Blue Ash," Jay Carson, senior litigator at the Buckeye Institute, told WKRC.
"Six hundred other cities in Ohio could be affected by this lawsuit," WKRC reports. "The Supreme Court will not hear this case until the end of this year or early next year."
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Will Tonight's Capitol Riot Hearing Deliver Bombshells or Be Another Dud?
The walls are closing in?
I'm hoping Bragg and Heaton get enough material for a half hour video.
THIS...THIS is the time they get him!
Sigh. Like almost of of American politics, at least what the public sees, the hearings will be another combination of partisan grandstanding, religious evangelism, and pro sports (though more like pro wrestling than football). Watching the hearings will change absolutely nobody's mind, but will reinforce most current opinions. Thus, it will all be good for "democracy".
Do they think this will sway any voters? It obviously isn't about justice, because spending millions on a dog and pony show for primetime TV gives it an obvious non-legitimate feeling.
No one whose mind isn’t already made up will bother to watch this shit. Beltway bitches always have their heads up their own assholes convinced that the average voter pays attention to any of this. Especially when there isn’t an election in the next 30 days.
This. Nobody fucking cares.
It’s got all the sizzle of a government shutdown fight, with as much impact at the ballot box.
"partisan grandstanding, religious evangelism, and pro sports "
A fun drinking game will be to take a shot anytime one of these people fill up with crocodile tears recounting the horrifying tale of feet on desks and people being let into the building by police.
“and to hear testimony from a Capitol Police officer, Caroline Edwards, who suffered a traumatic brain injury from the violence”
Hmm, that doesn’t fit your dismissive narrative.
Am I supposed to feel bad for a cop?
Now we've switched to talking about your feelings rather than talking about the facts of what occurred on January 6th?
I forgot I am suppose to be autisically specific when talking with some of you guys. The "drinking game" I am referring to is mainly for the politicians that are going to get up on stage and cry about not actually being attacked and how what happened on Jan 6th was worse than 9/11.
I am glad you found an exception to my post so you could get a "gotcha," but one cop vs the dozen or so politicians that are going to be speaking tells me this is going to be fuel filled night of could-haves and what-ifs in an attempt to fear monger.
Mike Liarson is a squawking bird named Dee and should be treated as such.
Is that a Deandra Reynolds reference? If so, every response to Dee’s inane comments should be ‘Dee, you bitch!’.
about the facts of what occurred on January 6th?
Facts like Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher?
That zip-ties were deliberately brought to the protest?
That poop was smeared on the walls?
That Trump incited an insurrection?
That the protesters were armed?
That they had molotov cocktails?
That it was planned months in advance on a Lego set?
That it was somehow a bigger threat than your far more violent 2017 Trump inauguration riots, your far more violent attack on the Kavanagh hearings and your far more violent August 2020 attack on the Whitehouse?
You're pretty much the last person here who should be pretending that they adhered to "facts".
Remember the "bomb" that was found somewhere close by and then went down a memory hole?
So many bullshit claims over an afternoon protest...
It’s all they’ve got. Democrats are worthless subhumans.
Fakest bombs I've ever seen. The 'timer' was an egg timer with a paper clip alligator clipped to it! And the amount of effort the Feds conspicuously DIDN'T put into finding the guy who'd planted them was amazing.
Sicknick died of natural causes: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes/
The protesters had Molotov cocktails? Why didn't they use them? There was no fire)
Planned on a Lego model? LOL
What were protesters "armed" with? One hand gun? A couple knives? In the language of the left the protest was "largely unarmed".
This (literal) show trial is a farce, I eagerly await justification for the money spent on this ABC After School Special.
I know.
Those were all discredited claims that White Mike Laursen used to preach here.
Can you cite when you ever showed remorse for those inured during the blm riots?
Red herring!
+1 troll points!
Pointing out consistent hypocrisy is not a red herring.
You are really fuckong terrible of understanding fallacies.
It points to a hypocritical pattern of behavior on Mike’s part.
I swear, there's no formal fallacy that sarcasmic won't misunderstand.
Mike, you’ve mever talked about the facts of J6.
I'm sure she will be telling the truth with no exaggeration. Cops always adhere scrupulously to the facts when testifying against criminals.
Yes, let's not forget that cops need to be defunded because they are abusive and ignorant racists, but the ones working at the capitol are a different breed apparently.
Valid criticism. Unfortunately, this will be a hearing not a trial, so no cross examination.
Got it. So we will be "hearing" lies.
Good one.
Probably a few lies. Even more likely, some truths that Republicans don’t want to hear.
Do you believe locking someone up for years without trial for participating in the Jan 6th protests/riots is justified? Yes or No?
He believes whatever the party dictates he believe, and only for as long as it is so dictated.
She’s not going to answer that.
No, it will be a clown show and a vulgar spectacle.
The Capitol police now has a bigger budget that the Detroit PD, and is planning "remote offices" across the country to protect politicians in their home districts.
Were I an elected politician. I'd rather not have them responsible for my security - they failed miserably on Jan 6 - no NG, Understaffed, faulty equipment, poor training. Etc.
If J6 is anything to go off, they’ll open the gate and let the weird guy in the white van park it wherever he wants.
The satellite offices aren't for protecting members of congress. They’re for the expansion across the country of a police force that isn’t constrained by the constitution like regular law enforcement is.
who suffered a traumatic brain injury from the violence
I'll wait to see what this 'traumatic brain injury' actually is. Concussion would be my guess, since she continued to work through the riot. With all the hyperbole surrounding the day you'll forgive me if I don't gasp in horror that they rounded up a live person to play the role of Sicnick's part for this next travesty.
Good to see you will be listening without preconceived partisan prejudices.
I won't be listening. Not because of preconceived partisan prejudices but because it is a complete and utter farce. Why would I waste my time on it? To what end?
The message is clear. A real protest to address the grievances of the government will not be tolerated if it involves the other party (R). The (D) party was equally successful is quashing the Green and (L) party in the last election. If you don't see that you are being willfully obtuse.
Mike is their instrument. A dull, weak, near useless instrument, but an instrument nonetheless.
Less often right than a broken clock.
It’s funny she pretends she doesn’t have preconceived prejudices.
Ah, the good ol’ Republican victimhood narrative.
Your masters try to victimize republicans.
Forgive me if I don’t believe Mike “they hit him in the head with a fire extinguisher” Laursen or anyone he tries to prop up as a “survivor”.
That is an interesting way to describe party propaganda being pushed using the organs of the state.
Hearings are boring. Can't we just have another riot?
^ This Riots all around it worked for the dems
(D) riots are healthy democracy.
(R) riots are horrible insurrection.
"It's only bad when they do it because our motives are always righteous."
The old ways (and I mean really old, like pre-human primates) are always the best.
https://twitter.com/IQfy_/status/1521872780437954561?t=H-IyLf9c4KXiw-fvEHLxfg&s=19
Don't let the horrific events in recent days distract you from the fact that Ukraine is George Floyd and George Floyd is Ukraine. #BlackLivesMatter
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Yes you can, it'll be in front of the Supreme Court as the mob attempts to stop the justices from meeting and passing judgement over Roe v Wade.
It will be revealed that Donald Trump is Marinus van der Lubbe's great-grandson.
Since then, the events of January 6 have been subject to intense scrutiny from law enforcement, legislators, pundits, and the press.
Everyone but the people.
In related news: law enforcement, legislators, pundits and the press are also finding new ways to get blood from a stone. More to come as events unfold.
Hey, what do the people have to do with democracy?
Do not "the people" typically investigate via law enforcement, legislature, and press?
Do "the people" hold court at night on live TV with a paid producer? Any legitimacy that this may hold is completely shot by making it a TV production.
"Do "the people" hold court at night on live TV with a paid producer?"
Not to mention it's happening during the sweet 8pm prime time slot. Too bad it isn't sweeps week or they would really be able to rack up the viewers.
I agree that it is the Democrats putting on a show. But there are lots of “people” who voted for the Democrats, who gave them the authority to do this in their name. They won the democratic elections this last time around, so “the people” collectively are being represented here.
Now, it’s true there are other people that are Republican or conservative who don’t support the hearings.
And there are even more people, like me, who are not a member of either major party / culture war team, who are just watching this stupid Red vs Blue Team political game from the sidelines.
Youre a leftist. Stop fucking gaslighting.
"And there are even more people, like me, who are not a member of either major party / culture war team, "
Pffft
You are a partisan, ad hominem-spewing, moronic troll. Muting you.
Remember. You can never call the leftists here leftists. But they are free to call you partisan and right wing.
Anyone who dares to criticize the right is a leftist. Doesn't matter if the criticize the left also, or if you've never said a word in support of the left. You're a leftist. Anyone who disagrees with this observation is also a leftist. If you don't genuflect to conservatives, you're a leftist. Leftist.
How are you not even remotely embarrassed from yesterday and go right back to your normal defend the left at all costs bullshit?
All of us criticize the right all the time. Are you fucking kidding? You never have a problem with that. Hate to break it to you, but we’re the honest reasonable ones here.
Here is Mike saying its ok to make political theater if you have voters who support it.
So for example, when Trump oafishly marched across the White House lawn, and awkwardly held up a bible in front of the Church, that wasn't bad at all. He was just showing what the people demand.
And when Trump demanded that his name be signed on checks being sent out to americans in 2020? I guess Mike thinks that political theater was justified because Trump's supporters like the idea of him getting a win.
smh.
That's how I read it.
Now do Nazi Germany.
They were bad. Also, you just Godwin’d the conversation.
Bad? Try evil. The political persecution of the J6 protestors is evil. The BLM rioting that destroyed peoples lives and property was evil. Exposing children to all of this sexual deviancy is evil. Your posts are most often some form of apologetics for these horrible events. Your purpose here has been a constant stream of gaslighting and obfuscation in support of evil.
It would only be evil to Mike of democrats were being persecuted.
How about communism?
""But there are lots of “people” who voted for the Democrats, who gave them the authority to do this in their name.""
Is that really where their authority comes from?
Not the Constitution? Not law? but the opinions of the voters?
Well the constitution clearly doesn’t give them the authority to hold this committee. And Dee doesn’t care about that. But she’s not a leftist.
Mike, you’re a democrat through and through. A total progtard. Even Tony at admits what he is.
They need to hire Kimmel to provide color commentary.
I think the Rifftrax guys would be more appropriate.
Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais.
Seth Meyers certainly has Kimmel beat when it comes to bending over and clapping his hands for the Democrats.
But it’d be hard to beat Jimmy providing commentary in his Karl Malone blackface.
Uh, Colored commentary?
Seth Meyers certainly has Kimmel beat when it comes to bending over and clapping his hands for the Democrats.
What's Stephen Colbert, chopped liver?
Pretty much.
Colbert should be beaten by random people wherever he goes. He’s a smug, snarky, glib asshole Marxist. He deserves a life of pain and horror for being a propagandist and a collaborator.
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1534855444317057024?t=0w2sEVr-w5dvCQMYEpbuHQ&s=19
Jimmy Kimmel on Republicans: “It’s like you’re playing Monopoly with somebody who won’t pass ‘Go’ and won’t follow any of the rules ... How do you ever make any progress?”
President Biden: “We gotta send them to jail.”
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Does one party investigate the other party under false pretenses costing tens of millions of dollars? Well democrats seem to.
no one gives a shit about jan 6 except journalists and congresscritters.
no one believes it was "an insurrection" or "sedition". no one.
And how was the insurrection supposed to work anyways? "Alright everyone, the QAnon Shaman took a selfie next to a podium, so now he's in charge of the nuclear codes."
I might trust QAnon Shaman with those codes more than I do Mark Milley.
It was more the part where they tried to force their way into the Congressional chambers with apparent threat to Congress members, their staff and guests, and the Vice President.
But, by all means, go with a dismissive fiction.
You claim to not be a Democrat but continue to push their narratives supported by no evidence. It is amazing to watch.
Again, if your histrionic characterization is accurate. NOT an insurrection dude.
It was more the part where they tried to force their way into the Congressional chambers with apparent threat to Congress members, their staff and guests, and the Vice President.
There was no threat.
The people were trying to be heard--because they were being ignored.
Case after case was being dismissed--not for lack of evidence, but for convoluted explanation of lack of standing, or for procedural issues for a procedure that had never happened before.
What else could they do?
All the people wanted was a REAL day in court.
But the left couldn't have that.
Because they'd lose.
You are so full of shit.
It was more the part where they tried to force their way into the Congressional chambers with apparent threat to Congress members, their staff and guests, and the Vice President.
But, by all means, go with a dismissive fiction.
Dismissive fiction is almost as good as the fictional account of the threats that never transpired.
So, a crime doesn’t count if law enforcement stops the criminals before they are done.
If cops stop a robbery in progress we don’t charge the robbers with intent to commit title fraud of the property being robbed.
That’s all pops and buzzes to him.
Anyone that knows how to think and has considered the real facts of the Jan 6 riot know that even a little woman would be shot if getting close to any members of Congress even after they had been evacuated. The number of people that were a threat to those you listed are the number of casualties by the police on that day.
The lie they interrupted the transfer of power is the first clue to why the riot occurred. Congress was debating a 10 day emergency audit when for the first time in history 12 states wanted their slates frozen and not counted after evidence of irregularities and improper conduction of elections were revealed. 12 Senators and numerous Representatives from those states objected to the counting of their state slates as being valid. If not for the riot the results of the election may have changed. The theory Trump was involved in stopping the debate by encouraging a riot at the Capital when it was his last and best chance at having an honest count of ballots is a stretch too far for me to accept. An investigation of those that benefited from the riot would have been more appropriate. When they have to lie from the start they lose me. Congress had a decision to either take weeks to debate the objection of each state or allow the emergency audit for 10 day to allow states to settle the disputes. The riot settled it for everyone with the shock stopping any further objections. Democrats gained greatly and Trump lost that day. Trump must be responsible?
Well said.
The little woman who was shot was not thoughtful enough to think and consider those facts, apparently.
I think they were afraid the shaman was going to use magic or something.
He could cast a spell against MMT!
I think a lot of people do, but it's probably already sorted along political lines.
I think the ones who support *prosecuting* for insurrection dont even believe it was an actual insurrection.
Ok, maybe those in the sub 90IQ range but otherwise no.
I'd say probably roughly the same crowd that throw around "equity" as if it means the same thing as "equality" and that is constantly wringing their hands about this thing called White Supremism (which I gather advocates a reboot of the Supremes with all white singers?) are quite happy to throw around the word "insurrection" not knowing what it means, either.
They just gave us a list of Twitter's fact checkers.
Ohio Supreme Court will consider taxes on teleworkers.
OHIO NEEDS MONEY
Not sure why this is a big deal. My Dad and brother work in Pullman, WA but live in Genesee, ID. They've always had to pay Idaho income taxes. Not sure why telecommuters should be any different.
But did they also pay taxes in WA? I think that is the issue. He had to pay city taxes and never went to the city.
Ah, Washington doesn't have income tax, so I'm not sure how that would have worked.
I answered in long form below, but working in OR while living in ID, they would pay 8% to OR and 0% to ID. Working in ID and living in OR, they would pay 5% to ID and 3% to OR (ID tax may have increased since the last time I paid any).
You always pay the total of the highest tax rate involved.
I work in one County and live in another. I'm charged an "occupational privilege tax" in both Counties. I'm charged a City income tax where I live and a Township income tax where I work. I'm charged a school income tax where I live and a flat school tax where I work. It used to be that you were only liable for income taxes in the County you lived in, now you are liable for both.
"occupational privilege tax"
That's like something straight out of Ayn Rand.
Yep. I live in Idaho and work in Washington. Same rule apply to me.
I'd say telecommuters should be different because they aren't actually in the state that's trying to tax them. Should a state be able to collect tax from anyone who works for a company that has presence in that state?
It's a thorny question. If I primarily monitor process control for a factory in OH but work from my home office in NJ then where should I be domiciled for tax purposes? I'm of the opinion that because the nature of my work **most** directly impacts a physical location in OH then they should have the power to tax my activity as if an on-site employee, should they so choose.
But there should only be two possible taxing jurisdictions in a broad sense: place of residence as determined by the employee, and place of work as determined by the employer. Having CA, NJ, GA, etc tax Amazon for all their remote workers because "presence" is just a recipe for disaster.
My point is that they should pay taxes in the state they live.
That's how it is in Arizona. Tech is always weird like that though, since even when I was in office it was in Boulder, CO. The company's HQ is in California. And there was never any doubt that I wasn't going to pay California Taxes.
Now that I'm in AZ, I just pay AZ taxes. That seems really obvious to me. States and cities don't like that though because it's really made the tax law competitive in a way that has been rare for most of history. This is like 10 years ago or so when many states passed sales tax laws for online sales because they were afraid of all that slipping away to states with tax policies that were cheaper for consumers.
I think you should pay taxes in the state where you earn the income that is being taxed. So if you drive into an office, and you do work there that earns you a paycheck, you should be charged by that county. If you work from home, then you should be paying income tax to the home city/county/state. We do this in major corporations and it works quite well. The tricky parts are sales consultants and consulting engineers who might spend time on location in different areas. But that is actually relatively easy to track (if you use time cards).
The reason this is a big pain in the ass is that Counties stopped subsisting on property taxes and sales taxes to fund public infrastructure. This has largely happened because the process of "predatory incorporation" happens where a city incorporates the strip mall in a housing community, capturing 90% of the sales taxes while leaving the housing communities (and their infrastructure needs) to the county who is losing more and more revenue.
My solution is to remove the income tax entirely, as the 4th amendment should prohibit the government (federal or local) from snooping into people's private finances, without a warrant from a court and due process, in the context of a potential crime being committed.
Don't give California or New York any ideas.
Right now, I'm doing freelance software development for a client in California. Thank goodness California isn't taking a cut ... yet.
When I exercise stock options that were granted to me while I was working in California, I still have to pay California income tax on them. Basically, I cannot escape having lived in California.
New York is ahead of you on that one.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/money/gov-cuomo-health-care-workers-sent-to-volunteer-on-new-yorks-covid-19-front-lines-will-need-to-pay-state-income-tax/67-9c6a6f46-f9cf-4406-9298-7e2c39b212fe
I used to have a job that involved remotely supporting data centers in Oakland, Denver and Columbus. I lived in another state and my employer's main office was in yet another.
If I'd had to pay taxes in every state I was working in, I wouldn't have been able to afford to keep the job!
What happens if you only telecommute a few days out of the total workweek?
I am not sure what should happen, but tying the taxes to where the work is done can be a less simple solution than it first appears.
Dude's being taxed by Cinci even though he lives and works in a suburb. It's a shitty tax regime, but I don't see that he has a case - the OH legislature specifically made this sort of tax accessible to cities for tax year 2020 per the report, and re-eliminated it the following year.
As others are mentioning. My Texas company has a remote worker in Iowa. I have to withhold and pay Iowa taxes. I do not have to pay Texas unemployment for him. Texas doesn't have an income tax so, of course, we don't worry about that. If he lived in one state but his job is in another state, then he would pay possibly in both. He is alleging that since he lives and works in one now since he no longer drives into the office he shouldn't have to pay in the state where the office he no longer drives to is located. It depends on state laws but many states tax wages based on where the work is done and has varying forms for residents and non-residents.
Unemployment tax should only be paid to one state for each employee. It is easy if they perform all their work in one state. But good luck figuring out which it is if your employee lives in a different state from his base of operations, regularly performs work in both states and your company has a nexus in both states.
That's nice, Washington refuses to withhold Idaho income tax, so my parents always have a huge tax bill.
It is a big deal because you are obligated to pay income taxes to any jurisdiction where work is performed and you are obligated to pay income taxes where you reside to the extent the taxes at your residence exceed the taxes in the other jurisdiction. Your family only pays ID income taxes in excess of what they pay to WA, and WA has no income tax.
I worked in road construction for years. Living in OR, I paid 8% income tax to OR when I worked in OR. I paid 8% income tax in OR when I worked in WA. I paid 5% income tax in ID and 3% tax in OR when I worked in ID.
There are additional income taxes for residing in OR inside the city limits of Portland, and employer taxes based on income earned while working inside Tri-Met (that spans 3 counties around Portland), or inside Lane County.
Every taxing jurisdiction involved wants to establish a nexus to your work. Every employer is required to keep records and report work performed in every jurisdiction that has an employment tax.
Were they in agriculture, or work at the college?
Do they pay to the place where their employer is located, or to the location of the residence from which they are working?
Both!
It’s the only way to be fair.
Wait, I thought tax fairness was all about sticking to the rich, and rewarding poor, black, fat, transgender womyn?
Let's not overlook gasoline taxes on gas they don't use commuting like they are supposed to.
It takes a village to pave a road. From each according to his ability to each according to his need.
Unless you drive an EV.
"It's been nearly a year and a half since Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol. "
"Stormed"? A better description would be "the police removed the barriers and waved them in." There's video of that.
Heavily. Armed. Insurrection.
#1/6WasWorseThan9/11
I am still looking for the Trump connection on 9/11.
He flew 3 kamikaze missions during Pearl Harbor,I've heard.
Well now I know why he's considered a failure.
Worst day in American history!!!!111!!!
It's like if the Civil War happened at Pearl Harbor on 9/11, but worse!
Nah, stormed is a pretty good description, unless you are a MAGA apologist.
They only stormed on one side the east side near the tunnels. Videos show the other 3 sides being a peaceful protest with cops letting them in.
You have so utterly wrong at every turn on this event. Cop beaten to death. Then asthmatic attack from fire extinguishers. 3 cops dying.
When the reality is one cop shot an unarmed woman and multiple cops beat a woman to death in the tunnels and then blamed it on her.
Ahhhh the old stop hitting yourself defence
He won’t respond. He’s here to agitate and spread lies.
What are you talking about? The barricades had signs on them that said "Welcome, please come in and smear feces on the walls." Obviously they were welcomed with open arms.
It is like you learned nothing from your ignorance statements yesterday. Here is the fucking video.
https://trendingpolitics.com/watch-jan-6-video-that-was-suppressed-shows-capitol-police-officer-waving-protesters-into-building-knab/
More.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/huge-video-surfaces-capitol-police-waving-protesters-inside-moving-barricades-aside-standing-protesters-walk/
On top of that one of these people charged used these videos in a bench trial and was found not guilty.
God damn man. Try learning from past bad behaviors.
No lies about what I said? No twisting my words to mean something else. No setting of strawmen on fire? No irrelevant quotes? No schoolyard taunts? No virtue signaling to the trolls? No switch the burden of proof?
Someone has hijacked JesseAz's account. This is definitely not him.
And from you?
Not an iota of admission that this video makes your lies obvious.
Clearly, no one has hacked your account, you're the same leftist fucktard you've become.
What lies? If you're going to accuse me of something, try backing it up. Oh, and show me one single solitary comment of mine where I support the left. I've been posting here for over ten years. If I'm the leftist you say I am, surely you should have found one comment of mine supporting the left. You have no such comments, yet you continue to believe. What a fucking idiot.
You've admitted to being utterly ignorant about things you defend woth such passion.
That is willful ignorance.
Know what? Never mind. You're just virtue signaling to the trolls.
Wahhhh!
Just like that.
You were crying, so I pointed it out.
So broken. You really should take a break from here sarc.
The only thing broken here is the record you keep repeating.
"Broken! Waah! Drunk! Daughter fucker! Leftist!"
*skip*
"Broken! Waah! Drunk! Daughter fucker! Leftist!"
*skip*
"Broken! Waah! Drunk! Daughter fucker! Leftist!"
*skip*
I’ve never said shit about you fucking your daughter. You’re a disgusting piece of trash liar.
I mean, seriously, if you find it such an offensive claim, seems like you could keep track of who’s actually said it.
What the hell is wrong with you?
So, so, much.
We get it. You hate Trump, and anything associated with Trump. No matter what.
No one cares.
I thought the 'feces on the walls' thing had long been debunked.
I honestly don't know. I'm not emotionally involved so I don't expend a lot of effort keeping up.
Yet you’ll gladly bring it up, whether it’s true or not.
More admittance of ignorance. Yet fights in these threads daily against those who bothered learning facts.
Serious question: if you don’t spend a lot effort keeping up, why do you nag nearly anyone that does?
I know. I'm just a useful idiot, swallowing the Democrat's lies, right?
Truth is determined by party affiliation, not facts.
And there's no such thing as an independent who is not a member of or supporter of either major political party. Everybody is on one side or the other of Red vs. Blue Team, and there are no people who think the entire progressive vs. conservative culture war is deeply stupid.
There is such a thing as those people. You’re not them though.
Straight from the middle school script! You get a point!
I don’t recall any such discussions of political neutrality in middle school. Maybe you’re overusing that weak insult?
1st step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
"Welcome, please come in and smear feces on the walls."
Nobody smeared feces anywhere you gullible fuck. That one turned out to be even less real than your fire extinguisher massacre.
Unsupported assertion followed by a strawman.
+2 troll points
Who brought up the smeared poop again? More evidence that you’re sqrlsy.
Two people talked about the same thing. That means.... they're the same person!
You're so smaht.
Not on it’s own. But there’s already evidence you’re sqrlsy. This is just more.
Fuck you it's unsupported you lying fuck.
Your statement wasn't even supported in the original allegation.
"A source close to Sen. Chuck Schumer said staffers to the New York Democrat found out about the fecal fiasco on Thursday.
The vile attackers, whose violent invasion of the Capitol left five people dead, apparently went No. 2 in a bathroom and then smeared their extremist excrement around the building, by leaving behind brownish “foot-prints,” the source said.
“It looked like they tracked it around,” said the person.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210115070706/https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-capitol-riot-poopers-20210107-prlsqytyabgdhnexushotl4nam-story.html
That's it. Nothing smeared on walls, just some muddy footprints. The office of the head "insurrection" screamer was the source but they later refused to confirm that it was feces. Nobody else has verified the story or come forward to say they saw any smeared poop.
But look at sarcasmic wave it around like it's gospel. The only reason you believed Schumer's aide, sarcasmic, is because you want to believe it. You have to, it's religion to you.
Oh goody, you're telling me why I believe stuff too! You're such a good troll.
What I was doing was exaggerating. Google it. It's a real word.
And here's where I first read about this. I didn't really give a fuck whose aid it came from, but trolls like you can't resist telling people what they think and why. You wouldn't be a troll if you didn't.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9126409/MAGA-mob-rioters-smeared-POO-Capitol.html
What I can't figure out is if the video of people cleaning up after the peaceful tourists is CGI, or if staffers make the mess and then blamed it on the peaceful tourists.
Can you clear that one up for me?
Where's your smeared shit, you dishonest fuck.
The pictures and video weren't even particularly messy. Especially compared to any other fucking Capitol protest in the last five years. The broken window was the worst of it.
Look at these pictures round the capital of the 2017 Trump inauguration protests if you want to see what an actual violent riot looks like:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-damages-downtown-washington/
What I was doing was exaggerating. Google it. It's a real word.
What you were doing is lying. "Hah, hah, I was merely being retarded" isn't an excuse.
Yes, I was lying when I said there was a sign that said "Welcome, please come in and smear feces on the walls."
Obviously that was a lie intended to deceive people into thinking there was an actual sign there with those words. Yes I was totally serious. I must have been because you're the one who determines what is truth and what is a lie and what is a joke. If you say I was serious and lying, then I was serious and lying. Just like with everything else, you decide what is serious and what is not. Not the person who said it.
You're so wise.
The lie was bringing up the smeared shit in the first place. You’re not fooling anyone sarc.
You were making a cunty little allusion and don't pretend that you weren't.
Terrorists who BOMBED the Senate --- "did not storm"
Protesters banging on the doors of the SCOTUS during Kavanaugh swearing in --- "did not storm"
People walking around taking selfies --- "STORMED THE CAPITOL!!!"
the dude was wearing horns! It's as bad as a weapon of war!
It was an homage to AL GORE, inventor of the internet and planetary savior.
Is that the same dude that jet-sets around the world to tell people to lower their carbon footprint, but pays his residential electric bill by the megawatt?
Don't forget his wife who fought to label music with inappropriate content, while her own teenage son was a drug-addicted mess.
Excelsior!
They had a large stick, bro.
"Somehow, Washington Post staff drama is still commanding headlines and even got a mention on The View."
I'm still shocked Koch-funded-libertarian-turned-garden-variety-MSM-progressive Dave Weigel would think sexism is funny. Liberal men are usually so sincere in their feminism.
#Disappointing
I'm shocked Weigal knows what a woman is.
That mustache tho: strong Pablo Escobar vibes. I bet it works wonders, just like for Nestor Cortes.
Good liberal men admit that "woman" cannot be defined. But they have automatic superior status.
He must have studied biology in college or something.
Hey Peanuts have you seen the latest proof the Biden economy is amazing? Elon Musk made over $2 billion yesterday. Did you know Elon Musk liked Obama almost as much as I did? That means when he gets richer it proves I'm smart too.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Elon Musk is a racist and misogynist though so he’s the wrong kind of billionaire, I thought?
Basically you're saying he's white and male. Yep, definitely wrong type of billionaire.
New information that will not be revealed:
1. Why was Trump's request for the National Gaurd turned down?
2. Who open the magnetic locks to the capital building?
3. How many federal agents were in the crowd undercover?
4. What was their role/orders?
And who on the committee is going to ask these questions? Maybe the GOP should have "allowed" one congressman, who didn't have raging TDS, to sit on it.
The gop sat their members. Pelosi kicked them off and replaced them with her own. That is one of the reasons the committee is illegal, it didn't follow house rules.
It's also one of the reasons that so many republicans consider Liz Cheney to be a traitor - her self-serving participation on this sham committee gives it a hint of an appearance of legitimacy.
Kinzinger, the other republican-lite who Pelosi sat, got gerrymandered out of a district for his troubles by Illinois democrats. Thanks for playing along, buddy! You did your part, now GTFO, democrats don't share power.
Thank goodness I'm not a Republican (or a Democrat). I can see that she is one of the few Congresspersons showing some integrity, despite her own party's (hopefully temporary) insanity and cowardice.
One wonders why Mike thinks that you can only show "integrity" if you agree with the narrative provided by your ideological opponents. After all, Mike has previously (in this thread) said that the Democrats are grand standing and that this is political theater. Why is it a show of integrity to go along with that?
We'll never know, because Mike merely wants to appear to be reasonable, not actually take a stand.
Dee has no problems contradicting herself for the narrative.
If Cheney had integrity, she wouldn't be there.
Her father taught her well.
Most dolts that voted for Joe "big guy" Biden are declaring themselves to be for neither party. They also vehemently deny they voted for the "big guy." If you voted for him you are a dolt. If you voted for a third party you are a dolt. If you voted for a strong and prosperous America and the real progress made from 2017 to 2021 you are a Nazi. Which are you?
Dolt who didn’t vote for anyone for President.
No, just a dolt who presumably uses his real name on an internet forum to lie constantly and mock a woman murdered by the state, apparently never expecting to feel consequences for your evil.
Hahahahahahahahahaha
Imagine saying this with a straight face.
I'm sure Kinzinger and Cheney are looking forward to their gigs as the token conservatives on MSNBC and CNN.
How can you possibly insist on rules when democracy was litterully hanging by a thread?! The only way to thwart the next insurrection is to make sure We Never Forget®
It is not and never will be.
Because the left are blithering morons?
With the grasp on reality of a typical 3 year old?
One thing that sort of interesting confusion about the current gender ideology is their own ideology seems conflicted on whether there's a spectrum of arbitrary division and thus it's meaningless, or if there are meaningful categories, but one can cross over from one to the other. Their language tends to flip back and forth between these two ideas as needed.
It is very confused.
It used to be politically correct to believe that a woman is a woman regardless of whether she acts or dresses feminine. Now, the woke view is that how one acts or dresses determines one's gender; it seems like regression to gender stereotypes to me.
The competing woke view that gender can be fluid makes a bit more logical sense, but the existence of actual genitals messes up the logic.
With you there. It is confusing, refering to trans-man and trans-woman. It takes me a minute to shift mentally to the gender they are actually talking about. The clothes, in this case, do actually make the man. And the wo man.
This is especially true when they try to sell their Queer theory to kids. Since they cannot explain to kids what it means to "feel like a girl", they instead make statements like, "Billy liked pink and princesses and unicorns, not like the other boys".
In case it isn't obvious, this is regression straight back to rigid gender roles. "Only girls like pink," with queer theory pasted on top "therefore, if you like pink, you must really be a girl".
If you are a "tomboy" i.e. a Girl who doesn't like girly things, and instead likes sports and palling around with tomboys, you must therefore be a boy.
This is the type of claptrap that makes the entire movement (at the elementary level) suspect.
This is the type of claptrap that makes the entire movement (at the elementary level) suspect.
Suspect is too kind a word. It's really a catch 22. They can't explain it to kids without sexualizing the concept and by not sexualizing the idea it is only explainable through gender stereotyping, the same stereotyping they claim creates our gender biased society.
A thin, dangerous game that is having the expected result. Kids on the cusp are being shuttled to the opposite team just for being a little different. 4000% increase. Over 40% of Zoomers identify as fluid.
Nope, nothing to see here. We are so secure that we create our own security at a micro level these days. I mourn the next generations.
*insecurity
Remember folks (especially any of you who may live in Idaho): this is what Mike Laursen wants to do to your children.
No, what makes the entire movement suspect are their blatant statements that their goal is power, and that tactics and even the meanings of words will be twisted in their favor.
Saw this coming years back when I got berated by some of my more progressive cousins on the coasts for laughing at the idea that a trans-woman would ever need an abortion . . .
Will Tonight's Capitol Riot Hearing Deliver Bombshells or Be Another Dud?
Will the people who lied and fabricate narratives about Trump for six years lie to us again tonight, or are the walls finally closing in?
Why is it that with Trump, everything is about walls?
Sometimes it's about tipping points.
And being worse than watergate.
Easier to relate to than soffits or fenestration.
No, he actually told them that, no allegedly about it. If anything, it should be "The man was allegedly there to kill Kavanaugh, according to police."
The alleged man allegedly was there to allegedly kill the alleged Kavanagh.
the man was allegedly there. he is either there or he is not there, is this guy like Schrodinger's cat and we won't know till we open our eyes
A worker familiar with the thought process of the alleged man, without evidence, alleged that the man was there to maybe shoot Kavanagh if the opportunity presented itself.
An alleged worker allegedly familiar with the alleged thought...
Schrodinger's assasin
How dare you presume their gender.
This is how media shows their cautious objectivity about serious issues. I am sure they talk about Russia-gate and Jan. 6 offenders in the same serious manner.
ENB and Reason did call Blasey-Ford's claims "credible" more than once.
omg I forgot that she did say that. If I remember correctly, Soave was in on it, maybe not as all in but somewhat.
Good lord I forgot who i'm dealing with
Robby was worse than simply calling it credible. He went so far as to say the presence of other, outlandish a accusations made it more credible.
Or, if the lefties were being honest about their intentions:
"The man told police he was there to kill alleged rapist Kavanaugh."
I talked to Justin Amash last night about the future of the liberty movement
Ooooh, Justin Amash and ENB?
They talked about the best post office names.
Too. Much. Raw. Charisma. In. One. Recording!!!
Two people that pretend to be Libertarians talking about the future of the Libertarian party. I'm sure it wasn't a regurgitation of progressive talking points.
Did they cover how much of a poopy head Trump is?
Justin Amash came out as a libertarian. That was kind of queer.
There is a way of writing about the history of black Americans and gun rights that isn’t gross and I attempted it a few years ago.
Toxic intersectionality.
Gun control has always been racist, from the first laws upheld by the Arkansas Supreme Court that first introduced the stupid idea that the 2A only applied to militia service (two years after the USSC had ruled that it was an individual right) to modern times. It has nothing to do with right wing or left wing. It's always been a means to keep guns out of minorities and poor peoples hands.
Yet the idiots on the view said legislation will only be passed when the gop finds out black people buy guns.
Wait until they find out what MLK and Malcolm X thought of gun ownership.
Hmm, what will progressives say when they find out that black people and women buy guns?
The only quibble I had with that article was that they equate "Racist" with "Right Wing" so that they can basically say that all the democrats passing these laws were obviously examples of the Right trying to disarm blacks.
Gun control has always been racist
Glad to see modern jurists finally coming around to agree with Chief Justice Tanney's decision in Dred Scott v. Sanford. Only the part about the peace and safety of the state, of course...
I hate the word gross.
Unless you're referring to a dozen dozen of something. Then it's great. Love me old and obscure measurements. I drop hogshead into conversations as often as I can, and the people of the world adore me for it.
Peck is another fine one.
Let’s not sleep on rods.
We still use rods in surveying.
New York's body armor ban may be stupidest gun legislation yet...
The soccer moms demand escalating levers of stupid.
I know it's a typo but I like "levers of stupid". And I can imagine most people yanking as hard as they can whenever they find a lever, especially politicians and media pundits.
"I'm a born lever-puller" -Ringo Starr
+1
NY does not want kids protected from shooters by allowing them to wear body armor
It might reduce the body count--and the propaganda value.
An armed man was arrested near the home of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
Time for some June 8 Hearings.
There is a way of writing about the history of black Americans and gun rights that isn’t gross and I attempted it a few years ago.
Let me guess: Racist Republicans who still controlled the South even after being defeated in the Civil War by good Democrats like Abraham Lincoln?
The headline of that article is "The (Really, Really) Racist History of Gun Control in America". If that's her attempt at writing about it in a way that ISN'T gross...
It isn't actually that bad. The first paragraph does make a terrible summary saying that gun control was once a "right wing" phenomenon. The evidence to that was that the NRA once supported handgun bans, and Reagan (while governor of CA) signed a ban on open carry in California.
The rest of the article is actually quite well done, even if they go through pains to never say the word Democrat. They point out that NRA was originally focused on "Sportsmans" issues, and so they supported handgun bans because it would (in their minds) approach the problems of gun violence without hurting their constituency (sport shooters). In case it isn't obvious, that isn't a "Right wing" or "Left wing" thing.
Nor was the California ban on Open Carry (Mulford Act) actually a "Right Wing" effort. It was sponsored by both Democrats and Republicans and was a direct effort to disarm the Black Panthers who had started copwatch patrols that walked around Oakland armed. The Black Panthers organized a march on the capitol building, where they were loaded and armed on the steps of the building. This went too far for the CA government, and the Democrat-controlled House and Senate *overwhelmingly* passed the law that Reagan signed.
And of course, the author surveys the many, many, many racist laws promoted in the South that were directly, explicitly targeted at disarming Blacks. Never once does the author point out the political party that was passing these laws- often right at the same time as that party's leaders were pushing clearly left wing programs like the New Deal.
So the "Right Wing" thing is just a stupid, hacky thing to say at the beginning- probably to signal to lefties not to outright disregard the article. It only works if you assume Reagan and the NRA would only support "Right Wing" stuff. But once you stop trying to impose today's politics on the subject, it is clear that many Gun Control laws were explicitly racist, and the US ought to own up to its failures there. Not Republicans, and not Democrats: Americans.
Keeping guns out of the hands of people you consider dangerous is always a racist slippery slope. According to lefty dolts requiring ID to vote is also racist because minorities have no access to birth certificates and documentation of who they are or where they live. Doesn't that make background checks racist if imposed on minorities that have no access to documents necessary to identify who they are or where they live? Doesn't this deny them their 2nd Amendment rights?
Gun crime has increased every time they pass new gun laws. The 1950's were pretty calm compared to the 1970's after gun control laws began to be passed in the late 1960's.
"We will be revealing new details showing that the violence of January 6 was the result of a coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and stop the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden."
The Investigative Narrative Friends Of Insurrection Legislation Committee or TINFOIL Committee will reveal a perfectly produced fabrication of the events of January 6th to further promote the unity of our nation and finally bring the inciting, peace loving former president to another farcical exhibition of faux justice!
Huzzah!
This should be the official description. Well done.
How pregnancy became gender neutral.
SUCK IT, MOMS, MEN CAN DO ANYTHING
Well, you don't get pregnant by sucking it.
We teach this to kids in gay bars in Dallas at age 5.
Give it a few years.
won't. lick. itself.
Since the left belives pregnancy involves a clump a cells, using their definition you can. Syphilis is a clump of Treponema pallidum cells.
Cancer is just a pre-abortion pregnancy.
^ I think you mean "birthing persons"
"Despite what you may have heard, Tuesday was a fairly good day for criminal justice reform in California," suggests the Los Angeles Times editorial board.
That's encouraging. The Koch / Soros / Reason soft-on-crime #FreeTheCriminals and #EmptyThePrisons agenda cannot be stopped. Because when billionaires really want something, it must be right for the country.
#Libertarianism101
Somehow, Washington Post staff drama is still commanding headlines and even got a mention on The View.
If those ladies have their teeth in it then it's jumped the shark.
If Joy Behar gets her teeth on something it’s already as good as swallowed.
What legislation are these hearings in service of? The committee is probably illegal/unconstitutional. Congress isn't supposed to be in the business of investigating crimes. The whole thing is a ridiculous show trial and an attempt at a political purge.
It's not just that they seem to be investigating crimes, but the subpoenas they are issuing (and then turning over to Justice or leaking or what have you) would have clear and obvious Fourth and Fifth Amendment issues if done by a law enforcement agency.
Why do you think the committee is probably illegal/unconstitutional?
Because congressional committees are supposed to be for the purpose of creating legislation, not broadly investigating possible criminal activity. Congress is not a law enforcement agency or a court. What legislative purpose do all the subpoenas and testimony of protesters and organizers serve? What legislation is coming from this committee?
Also clear violation of house rules as Pelosi refused to seat the gop members. Kizinger and Cheney are actually in dem selected spots. She denied the gop seats. This makes their subpoenas against house rules.
Greenwald has had some good pieces on the subject: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/civil-liberties-are-being-trampled-8bf?s=r
He will sea lion again tomorrow.
Ive always considered Glenn Greenwald to be a whiny fag hiding in Brazil, but he has proven to possess large cojones in pushing back against the Left from afar. ¡maricon!
I think he's just about the most honest and rigorous journalist working today.
I think Matt Taibbi rocks, very hard hitting, though I think he is becoming more cynical with each month.
Yes
What's maricon in Portuguese?
Well, I think the most charitable explanation for it might be that it is a fact-finding committee, the results of which might be used to inspire new legislation. It's not arrogating unto itself any power to arrest any of the rioters.
This is a select committee, which is not supposed to be legislative in nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Select_or_special_committee_(United_States_Congress)
Of course there is a great deal of political theater going on as well. But political theater isn't unconstitutional.
Why is the legislature doing anything not legislative in nature? The executive and judicial branches exist to investigate and enforce laws. The legislature is there to legislate.
Well as I said, in its most charitable interpretation, the purpose is as a fact-finding committee, so that the standing legislative committees are more informed when they do consider any potential legislation. It's not a new thing. Select committees have been around since the very first Congress.
I'm not interested in giving Congress that kind of benefit of the doubt at this point.
I’m surprised Jeffy is giving this kangaroo court it’s “most charitable interpretation”.
At least he’s consistent in who he gives the benefit of the doubt to and who he doesn’t. Here’s a hint: he always gives the left the benefit of the doubt.
ENB too! They're besties!
"But political theater isn't unconstitutional."
Except on Jan 6, 2021, right?
I used to enjoy watching and calling into CSpan during Newt Gingrich tour as Speaker. The theatrics were awesome and James Trafficant was superb. Democrats treated him unfairly because he would not vote in line with the party. The zingers he would launch from the House floor were supreme. RIP!
It has been explained here many times sea lion.
Not least of which the minority party was not permitted to name its members of said committee...
They had the opportunity, but refused.
No. They were told they could not name their members. Nobody would participate. The minority MUST be given the right to name their own members for a committee to be legitimate and that did not happen here.
Thus, the committee is illegitimate and a precedent the Dems will regret.
No. They were told they could not name their members.
That's not true. They were told they could name their members, "in consultation" with Pelosi.
Nobody would participate.
That's not true either. McCarthy initially proposed five members to serve on the committee.
I mean, this is stuff that you can easily look up on Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack
"Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were the only two House Republicans to serve on the committee, and the Republican National Committee eventually censured them for their participation.[2]"
it is comical that Wiki uses discredited sources as "facts", e.g. CNN, WaPo, Guardian, etc. With that said....
Wiki:
On July 19, McCarthy announced the five members he would recommend as the minority on the select committee. He recommended that Jim Banks (R-IN) serve as Ranking Member, and minority members be Jim Jordan (R-OH), Rodney Davis (R-IL), Kelly Armstrong (R-ND), and Troy Nehls (R-TX).[22] Banks, Jordan, and Nehls voted to overturn the Electoral College results in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Banks and Jordan had also signed onto the Supreme Court case Texas v. Pennsylvania to invalidate the ballots of voters in four states.[23]
On July 21, Thompson stated in an interview that he would investigate Trump as part of the inquiry into Capitol attack.[24] Hours later, Pelosi said in a statement that she had informed McCarthy that she would reject the recommendations of Jordan and Banks, citing concerns for the investigation's integrity and relevant actions and statements made by the two members. She approved the recommendations of the other three.[25] McCarthy then pulled all of his picks for the committee and stated that he would not appoint anyone on the committee unless all five of his choices were approved
Nobody would participate AFTER Pelosi said his named participants could not be on the committee. Fucking hell, you cannot be this dense.
He named GOP members.
Pelosi said no.
Due to minority not being allowed to name its members, the committee is de facto illegitimate.
He named GOP members.
McCarthy did, yes.
Pelosi said no.
Pelosi said no to *some* of them, yes.
Due to minority not being allowed to name its members, the committee is de facto illegitimate.
It was never the case that McCarthy had an unrestricted power to name whomever he liked to the committee. It was always a conditional power, to be exercised "in consultation" with Pelosi.
That contradicts your own Wikipedia link.
For fuck's sake, you always imagine you can trick everyone with middle school sophistry.
That's exactly what the link says.
You are in full gaslighting form today, aren't you?
I mean, the link is right there. Everyone can read it.
I already posted this you lying fuck, but from your very own link:
"Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger were the only two House Republicans to serve on the committee, and the Republican National Committee eventually censured them for their participation.[2]"
"It was never the case that McCarthy had an unrestricted power to name whomever he liked to the committee. It was always a conditional power, to be exercised "in consultation" with Pelosi."
In what world is that NOT, and I quote myself, the "minority not being allowed to name its members"?
The minority MUST be given the right to name their own members for a committee to be legitimate and that did not happen here.
Thus, the committee is illegitimate and a precedent the Dems will regret.
Just re-read this comment of yours, realized that you said "illegitimate" and not "illegal" which I first interpreted your comment as being (particularly since Zeb suggested it might actually be illegal).
Well, I hate to break it to you, but the practice of the membership of a House select committee being determined by the majority party, and also by the minority party but only "in consultation with" the majority party (i.e., not an unrestricted power), is not new.
Here is the resolution establishing the Benghazi select committee:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-resolution/36/text
The membership is determined, in part, by:
"Two members appointed by the Speaker after consultation with the minority leader."
Here is the resolution establishing the House Select committee investigating the response to Hurricane Katrina:
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-109hres437eh/pdf/BILLS-109hres437eh.pdf
"The select committee shall be composed of 20 members appointed by the Speaker, of whom 9 shall be appointed
after consultation with the Minority Leader. The Speaker
shall designate one Member as chairman."
Now, were all of these committees illegitimate, because the minority party did not have the *unrestricted* power to determine its membership on the committee?
Why do you think the committee is probably illegal/unconstitutional?
Methane (Flatulence) discharge
Wasteful energy consumption
Toxic masculinity (not including Liz Cheney)
Jamie Raskin is a Marxist but wife Sarah is a capitalist
Democrats inciting incitement of inciteful terrorists lacking insight
Lol.
As a teaser, it's good stuff.
Walls closing in ENB.
This is just political theater. That's it.
Especially as more memos come put about the Capitol Police and Pelosi turning down national guards to assist with crowd control. Weird how insurrection happens woth the insurrectionists asking for more security.
Said memos.
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trump-pentagon-first-offered-national-guard-capitol-four-days-jan-6-riots-memo
Some Republican officials have been refusing to comply with the investigation. In a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R–Ohio) accused the committee members (of which seven of nine members are Democrats) of "weaponizing government to attack Republicans."
Why won't the opposing party just submit??
Committee has subpoenas dozens of gop politicians including people not present for political emails pn their activity. This is far more of an abuse than Watergate but not a word about it here. Just excitement from ENB.
I'd also note that they do not legitimately have subpoena power as they are not a legitimately constituted committee, given that the minority had no say in its makeup.
Agreed.
Weird how insurrection happens woth the insurrectionists asking for more security.
Trump plays 5-D chess, man!
To be fair, I'm skeptical on the degree this actually happened. That is, the source for Trump's requests for additional security resources deployed on Jan. 6 is Trump, and the person he was allegedly asking, Nancy Pelosi, isn't going to corroborate it.
I don't know if I've seen any other corroboration of this, and it's self-serving for Trump to say, "I told them they needed more people." And it's very much a Trump thing to do, like it or hate it, to pretend he saw everything coming and tried to stop it.
The memos are linked in the story above.
It isn't like you would need to be Nostradamus to predict something would happen. Even if the MAGA crowd had sat around singing kumbaya, it's likely some antifa would have shown up to start a fight. It's a bit like having extra cops on duty after a big game to keep the fans from going nuts.
And given the personalities involved, it's not exactly that farfetched to think that Pelosi and Bowser would turn down any offers, simply to spite Trump.
If they're going to treat you as a monster, and "you" includes all non leftist posters here, maybe you'd better become a fucking monster if you want to survive
I'm no fan of antifa, but what we know actually happened is that one antifa sympathizer showed up at the Capitol that day. There just simply wasn't any antifa crowd there.
Then the black-clad window breakers who disappeared after breaching the capitol were.........FBI?
Dee doesn’t know anything about that. But she does know they definitely weren’t antifa.
Someone was wearing black, so they must have been antifa? Is that the argument you are making?
I actually think it was you Dee. You were wearing black like your soul.
But you're apparently all in with saint Pelosi.
Especially as more memos come put about the Capitol Police and Pelosi turning down national guards to assist with crowd control.
Jesse, can you point out to all of us in your linked article specifically where Pelosi "turn[ed] down national guards to assist with crowd control"? It only says that the House Sergeant-at-Arms turned down the request, not that Pelosi turned down the request.
Pelosi could easily have insisted he do so. She refused to. Ergo, the problems are largely falling on her head.
I'm fully expecting him to post one of the narrative fact checker links despite the presence of memos and phone call records that have been released.
The claim that she could have done more to insist upon increased security, however, is different than the claim that she turned down a request for more security.
She declined to accept it. That is simple reality. If she said yes, it would have been there.
Was she even consulted?
Yes.
I know it's been said there are no dumb questions, but you seem interested in testing that.
That is not what the House SAA said, see below.
Where is your evidence that she was consulted regarding the Jan. 4 request for National Guard troops?
Because she was.
I'd include links but you've ignored them historically and I see no need to waste the time.
Translation: you don't have links
I'll post the links, o' mighty sealion, if you promise to to fuck off forever.
(spoiler, they're already posted somewhere in this very comment section)
Pretending he’s never seen evidence that’s already been presented to him is one of the many different ways Lying Jeffy is dishonest.
None of the links posted thus far have shown that Pelosi was informed BEFORE Jan. 6 of any request for additional National Guard troops to be present.
And, ML, why do you want to cancel and deplatform me? What about the spirit of free speech?
If you don't like my speech, isn't the best antidote more speech, not trying to shut me up?
I want you to stop fucking trolling and fifty-centing shitposts. Stop pretending that shitposts and redirection are political speech.
ML, if you don't want to read my comments, you are free to mute them. But that isn't actually what you want. You want to silence me completely so that no one reads my comments. Sounds like you are insecure in your own beliefs and you want to silence those who challenge you so that you can remain in your "safe space".
And even if you don't think my speech is "political speech", it's still speech. What happened to being supportive of the culture of free speech? Again, for speech you don't like, isn't the antidote more speech, instead of trying to silence those with whom you disagree?
ML, aren't you the one constantly saying how progressives hate free speech and want to silence their opponents?
Well, what do you think you are trying to do to me?
Does that make you a progressive?
“Sounds like” is doing a lot of heavy lifting, Lying (Kathy Newman) Jeffy.
What sound does a sealion make?
I know, right? Insisting upon factual information is such an awful thing to do!
Whose job was it to accept the troop request and who does that person answer to?
Now now: accountability is a strictly patriarchal and eurocentric concept that all right-thinking persons should oppose.
Well, as far as I can tell, it was the job of the House Sergeant-at-Arms (Paul Irving) and Senate Sergeant-at-Arms (Michael Stenger) to be responsible for security at the Capitol. But the Capitol Police Board has ultimate responsibility for security, not any single person.
https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight/capitol-police-board
No member of Congress is on that board, but the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms are.
So yes the House Sergeant-at-Arms is appointed by the Speaker of the House (and the Senate Sergeant-at-Arms is appointed by the Senate Majority Leader, at the time Mitch McConnell), it's not clear to me that they were a part of the discussion on security prior to Jan. 6.
Do you have any information that can shed some light on this?
God your obtuse.
Is that your word for "someone who pokes holes in comforting tribal narratives"?
I mean, it must be very reassuring to know that the reason why there wasn't additional security at the Capitol on Jan. 6 was because it was all the Democrats' fault. That's how these things go, right? Republicans = good, Democrats = evil. The story can't be more complicated than that, can it?
No that is the word someone who post the answer to the question but refuses to believe it because it hurts your narrative.
As I said, in matters of Capitol security, the Capitol Police Board has ultimate authority.
So claiming that it's all Pelosi's fault because the House SAA reports to Pelosi is simplistic and misleading.
However, if it is Pelosi's fault, then wouldn't it also be Grassley's fault since the Senate SAA reported to him?
Sorry - Senate SAA reports to Senate President Pro-Tempore (Grassley), not the Senate Majority Leader.
I gave you factual information. You asked for different information to dismiss this information.
Youre a dishonest shit weasel.
The information in the article is factual as far as I can tell.
But, as I have repeatedly pointed out, lying by omission is also a thing. It is possible for an article to be 100% factual and yet nonetheless leave the reader with a misleading impression because of the information that the article omits.
That's why I'm asking these questions. I'm not trying to dismiss factual information, just trying to fill in the gaps.
Below I presented evidence that Congressional leadership (both in House and in Senate) were not even consulted on Jan. 4 for a request for more National Guard troops, that the decision was in the hands of the two Sergeants-at-Arms and the Capitol Police Chief alone. So neither Pelosi nor Grassley even had an opportunity to approve or deny any request for extra security.
But, hey, maybe you can provide some extra information that can shed some light on this. Do you?
Jeff. Can you pretend to not be ignorant as you attempt to sea lion. Multiple stories have already come out over the last year saying the Capitol commander asked Pelosi if she wanted to allow the guards. Also look to who the House reports to, it is the speaker.
At this point you are willfully ignorant or gaslighting.
the Capitol commander asked Pelosi if she wanted to allow the guards
Could you be more specific here? That wasn't in your linked article.
Sea lion 101.
Jesse Translation: you can't prove your claim so you just go into attack mode and try to discredit the person questioning your claim.
And in so doing, you deflect the discussion away from the topic at hand and towards personal insults. Which is your standard MO around here.
Here is what Paul Irving, former House Sergeant-at-Arms, said in Senate testimony on Feb. 23, about the Jan. 4th request for the National Guard:
Yeah. Monday, January the fourth, Senator, safety was always the deciding factor when making security plans and the issue on the table was whether the intelligence warranted troops at the Capitol and the conversation with Mr. Sund was not, I did not take it as a request. He was merely informing me that he had received an offer from the National Guard. And then when we included Mr. Stenger, the three of us discussed the specific issue as to whether the intelligence warranted the troops and the answer was no. It was a collective answer, no. And then Mr. Stenger put forth his recommendation to have them on standby. And my recollection was Mr. Sund was very satisfied with that. In fact, he briefed the following day that he was satisfied and I heard no concern any time thereafter.
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/senate-hearing-on-january-6-capitol-attack-transcript-february-23
So according to this, Irving (House SAA), Stenger (Senate SAA), and Sund (Capitol Police Chief) all decided in person right then that it wasn't necessary. That Pelosi (or McConnell) hadn't even been consulted.
Now, maybe Irving is lying, I don't know. It would help if you could provide some additional information that could corroborate your version of events. Do you have it?
Don't ever mistake JesseAz for someone interested in honest conversation.
Oh I know. I am pointing out to everyone else reading here the tricks that Jesse is playing.
I don't think anyone cares. The trolls know he's a liar who parades fallacies, and they like it because that's what they do too. Most of the others here are conservatives who feel you're a leftist because you're not a conservative, so they enjoy watching the trolls be dicks.
Oh, so sorry to interfere with your premature gloating but:
Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots
"The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump that turned into a deadly attack on Congress.
Former chief Steven Sund -- who resigned his post last week after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called for him to step down -- made the assertions in an interview with The Washington Post published Sunday.
contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday's assault on Capitol Hill. Sund's superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.
Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security
Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.
Gosh guys. Who does the House Sergeant-at-Arms answer to?
"the Sergeant at Arms is responsible for security in the House wing of the United States Capitol, the House office buildings, and on adjacent grounds. Under the direction of the Speaker of the House"
"the Sergeant at Arms is nominated by the Speaker of the House"
UH-OH!
John Falcicchio, chief of staff for D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser said of Sund: “Literally, this guy is on the phone, I mean, crying out for help. It’s burned in my memories.”
What gloating? I'm not the one who is emotionally invested in this, Canadian. Why you are I have no clue.
I'm sure jeff will appreciate the information, because from what I read he was asking questions because he wanted answers. Unlike you who only asks questions to be a master baiter like your idol JesseAz.
Look. The House Sergeant-at-Arms reports to the Speaker of the House, in a similar sense that some Amazon warehouse manager reports to Jeff Bezos. If the Amazon warehouse manager screws up and makes a mistake, it is hardly fair to blame the screwup *personally* and *directly* on Jeff Bezos.
Yes, the House SAA is appointed by the Speaker of the House. But the Speaker of the House is not responsible for the intricate, day-to-day operation of Capitol security. That is the job of the Capitol Police Board, as I posted above.
Team Red partisans such as yourself must try to make Team Blue out to be the villains in the story because they are not acting in good faith, they are instead acting as tribal warriors. I would expect that intelligent, thoughtful people would want to choose to be informed by the FACTS rather than by pleasing tribal narratives. That is too much to ask of you, of course, since you are a Team Red fifty-center, but everyone else ought to understand this.
And by the way. While I have heard this claim many times that "really, it's all Pelosi's fault", you know what I have never heard? "It's Chuck Grassley's fault." Why not? After all, he is in the EXACT same position as Pelosi, since the SENATE SAA reported to HIM as President Pro-Tempore. Any serious argument trying to blame Congressional leadership for security failures must include him as well. But then again the argument "it's all Pelosi's fault" was never a serious argument, it was always a politically-motivated lie.
I’m sure Pelosi had no part in her subordinate making a security decision based on how it would look politically.
in a similar sense that some Amazon warehouse manager reports to Jeff Bezos.
Amazon warehouse managers are hired. They aren't nominated by Bezos and voted on by the board of directors. Also, Amazon doesn't have just one warehouse and manager.
You could have Googled what the House Sergeant-at-Arms role is and what he does before trying to be dismissive, and saved yourself from looking like an idiot.
But I suppose that you wouldn't be Jeff then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#Duties
"Yes, the House SAA is appointed by the Speaker of the House. But the Speaker of the House is not responsible for the intricate, day-to-day operation of Capitol security. That is the job of the Capitol Police Board, as I posted above."
My link demonstrates that Nancy Pelosi's aide-de-camp who actually is indeed responsible for the intricate, day-to-day operation of Capitol security, purposefully and explicitly overrode the Capitol Police Board's chief officer that day.
Of course you know that, but you're paid to lie.
My Internet is being glitchy tonight, hard for me to post comments here. I blame Nancy Pelosi.
You could have Googled what the House Sergeant-at-Arms role is and what he does
Actually, above, I posted a link to the Capitol Police Board, more authoritative than your Wikipedia link, that illustrates that they are responsible for Capitol security, not the Speaker of the House. So I already did what you claimed I didn't do, and I did it without you even asking. Huh.
It's like I'm the one being intellectually honest here and you are the one spreading narrative as if it were fact.
My link demonstrates that Nancy Pelosi's aide-de-camp
Calling the House SAA "Nancy Pelosi's aide-de-camp" is like calling the Amazon warehouse manager "Jeff Bezos' personal assistant". Very misleading.
who actually is indeed responsible for the intricate, day-to-day operation of Capitol security,
No, that's not true. The House SAA, the Senate SAA, and the Capitol Police Chief are the ones collectively responsible.
purposefully and explicitly overrode the Capitol Police Board's chief officer that day.
That's not quite accurate either. Based on the testimony that I linked to above, the police chief had a meeting with the two SAA's on Jan. 4, where they all discussed the issue and *collectively* decided not to ask for National Guard troops. So no one was "overridden".
And to my knowledge, there has been zero evidence presented to date that, prior to Jan. 6, that she was ever consulted on the issue of National Guard troops, or that she refused any request along those lines. Your link doesn't say any of that.
Of course you know that, but you're paid to lie.
Your statements are the ones full of inaccuracies, half-truths, deceptions, and lies. You and Jesse must both be fifty-centers around here.
And by the way. Why have you not mentioned Chuck Grassley even once? He was the person at the time to whom the Senate SAA reported. *IF* Nancy Pelosi bears some blame because the House SAA reported to her, then why doesn't Chuck Grassley bear an EQUAL AMOUNT of blame because the Senate SAA reported to him? Hmm? Why is it that when this subject comes up, it is ALWAYS about NANCY PELOSI who is the one to blame?
I will tell you why. Because this argument was never offered or made in good faith. It was always a tribalistic bullshit political argument intentionally designed to blame the other tribe. It's because you hate Democrats. That is why.
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My Internet is being glitchy tonight, hard for me to post comments here. I blame Nancy Pelosi
A terrible joke by a man that knows he’s lost. If it wasn’t posted by someone who’s inherently dishonest I’d guess they might be embarrassed with such an intro to their extremely long post.
“Calling the House SAA "Nancy Pelosi's aide-de-camp" is like calling the Amazon warehouse manager "Jeff Bezos' personal assistant". Very misleading.”
There’s over 100 Amazon warehouses in this country. So saying “THE warehouse manager” is probably the most misleading statement in this thread.
But then you wouldn’t be Lying Jeffy now would you.
Also lol, I just realized you think “aide-de-camp” just means personal assistant in general because you’re ignorant. The term was used as a military personal assistant.
I disagree with ML though. Please don’t ever leave. You crack my ass up.
• How pregnancy became gender neutral.
I really wish you people would go back to being foppish about clothes and shoes.
And TV shows about closets (for hiding in or organizing).
Ruthsentus denied any responsibility for the person who went to kill Kavanaugh yesterday, then followed up with altered flyers posted at his kids school by them.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/horrific-pro-abortion-activists-send-special-message-to-kavanaughs-wife-and-kids-after-would-be-assassin-is-caught-by-his-home
The activist cited that group for the address as being available for him in his planning.
And a reminder of all the democrats encouraging people to go to the homes of conservative justices.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrats-slammed-for-prior-remarks-after-extremist-showed-up-to-kavanaughs-home-to-kill-him-report
Is this story memory holed in under a day?
Amusing since this is apparently the same thing as the January 9th foolishness, yet no one is putting together a television propaganda broadcast to indict all the Democrats who insisted someone needs to do something about the conservative supreme court justices.
I guess it's fine as long as the person is appointed, so somehow there's no 'subversion of democratic processes' to these morons, even though it's literally the reason why a lot of us voted for Trump in the first place.
Whoops, feel free to invert the 9 into a 6. Need more coffee.
Media downplays the attempt throughout media. Relying heavily on a both sides narrative.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/liberal-media-predictably-downplays-or-ignores-threat-to-justice-kavanaugh/
Latinx support of democrats plummets mostly over the use of the term Latinx.
Oh and they aren't all blindly open borders.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-left-of-center-poll-shows-seismic-shift-in-hispanic-political-support
People voting based on personal values instead of skin color makes democracy sad.
Hunter was paying strippers from his company payroll.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hunter-biden-paid-full-time-salary-to-stripper-who-fathered-his-child
Likely has tax implications if so.
Funny. Bidens have to abide by the law. Humorous.
all tax avoidance is a good thing. I wont condemn Hunter for this one.
If he hired the stripper to entertain at a company party it would be perfectly legal and deductible on taxes, like hiring a clown.
And if he invited a bunch of kids, it would be educational.
California forces homeowners who they decide are water wasters to install low flow water restrictors.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/southern-california-water-district-installing-flow-restrictors-in-homes-of-water-wasters/
If you see something, say something--especially about that bitchass neighbor that keeps parking in front of your house.
Is DA Gascon the new prosecutor for reason to cry over?
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/progressive-l-a-county-da-george-gascon-might-be-next-to-be-recalled-particularly-after-mishandling-of-car-attack/
Count on it.
Remember kids, genital mutilation is BAD if it's for religious purposes.
But it's GOOD if it's for delusional reasons.
Just sit back and let that sink in for a moment.
Now, aren't these same people saying that...religion is delusional?
Is taking drugs that affect hormone levels genital mutilation?
no that's fine.
[rolls eyes]
Yes. Learn what chemical castration does physically.
One of the things not mentioned is that puberty is necessary for proper brain development. The hormones that cause puberty are both regulated by the pituitary gland and also play vital roles in development of the prefrontal cortex. Delaying puberty causes abnormal brain maturation. We are unaware at this point what the implications of this may be, as these drugs were originally only prescribed for early onset puberty, and then for only a limited time.
To be fair, most progressives seem to already lack normal brain maturation, so blocking puberty has little impact.
Chemical castration --- too cruel for criminals, perfect for children.
When you put it that way they may have a point.
defending the use of administering chemical castration drugs to a young boy to feed the proggie delusions of his parents and their desperate need for woke-points is a new low even for you Mike Laursen
Is taking drugs that affect hormone levels genital mutilation?
No, the correct term for that is "poisoning".
And aren't these the same people who have turned their political delusions into a religion?
If you're obsessing about "inflation," not only are you spreading wingnut.com disinformation, you also might be a Nazi.
I will remind folks again that Hitler rose to power with 1/3 of voters in Germany with a message on inflation, etc. The voters in Germany, as well as the media and many politicians, paid attention too late to the threat he was to their democracy.
Democrats will create an even larger #BlueWave2022 if they incorporate this into their messaging.
#InflationIsAWingnutMyth
What about if we obsess over collectivism, socialism, and racism instead?
"I will remind folks again that Hitler rose to power with 1/3 of voters in Germany with a message on inflation, etc."
Yes, because the mark going from 4.2 to the dollar to 4,210,500,000,000 to the dollar in three years is a Republican lie and also fuck history.
This thread:
https://twitter.com/manceraymond/status/1534503715146711040?t=X5kie4xFZNMcb-60xx9E1w&s=19
The best comment
Cancle proof "let me guess ENB wrote this article"
Haha!
> "We will be revealing new details showing that the violence of January 6 was the result of a coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and stop the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden."
While I hope a lot of people get roasted for their activities on Jan 6th, the above statement is just hype. Was there a coordinated multi-step effort? Hell yeah! But it was probably just people texting each other via social media. It was just a hyped up crowd of cretins. The cretins showed up because they erroneously thought someone would have their back. And enough cretins showed up that yes, other cretins did have their back.
To play both sides, it was rather like cretins on the Left who messaged each other to show up and riot over BLM. The cretins on the Right did they same over losing an election.
There were two sets of organizational activities that took place.
The first was the doofuses known as the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers/etc. who decided that this was the perfect time for them to play commando soldier.
But the second was organized by the likes of John Eastman, who was working to construct some type of credulous case for Pence to throw enough of the electoral votes into doubt, such that the 11th Amendment would be invoked and Trump would win by a state-by-state vote in the House.
That one deserves to be taken a lot more seriously IMO.
^ Why? even if that did happen it would have been legal procedure and not an 'insurrection'
Jeff loves political prosecutions.
Don't you get it? It was ILLEGALLY legal!
it would have been legal procedure
No, in Eastman's argument, it would have involved violating the Electoral Count Act.
Here is one of Eastman's memos:
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/21/politics/read-eastman-memo/index.html
(and sorry, it's the 12th amendment, not the 11th amendment)
No, it would not have involved violating anything. Spelled out how, specifically, to not violate it.
From Eastman's own memo:
2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
This is the third time today that you have flatly made a claim that was very easily proven to not be the case.
keep clutching your pearls. Good grief.
It was not an insurrection. It was not even possible. What are they gonna do barricade the white house and hold it hostage?
You 'insurrection' people are amazing
I didn't call it an 'insurrection'.
As I said, though, there were two parallel activities going on. The first was the Jan. 6 riots that we all saw. You are right, that had no chance of success as an actual "insurrection". The second was what people like John Eastman were planning. Who only needed a compliant VP to make it all happen. That "insurrection" came very close to succeeding.
even THAT is not an insurrection. It's a constitutional procedure that they would try to get away with and if Senate and Courts go along with it it's not an insurrection. If Senate and Courts DONT go along with it, it doesnt happen.
Not an insurrection.
Fine, call it a "roadmap to a coup" if you like. It is illegal and it almost worked.
Changing the procedure is not violating the act.
Chemjheff, your "corrections" have been laughably retarded. Morons would feel shame.
Changing the procedure is not violating the act.
The legal procedure is literally specified IN THE ACT. So changing the procedure is violating the act.
The 'break' is that there are multiple sets of electors, a situation not foreseen in the Act.
Deferring does not expressly violate the act.
But thank you for playing.
The 'break' is that there are multiple sets of electors, a situation not foreseen in the Act.
That is not true. The Electoral Count Act literally was written following the controversy of the 1876 election, when three states did submit two different sets of electors to Congress. In 1876, the way they resolved the controversy was to set up an ad-hoc commission to resolve the dispute. Afterwards, the Act was written specifically to deal with that controversy so they wouldn't have to resort to ad-hoc commissions again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act
In 1876, each of the two sets of electors from the three states seemed legitimate because each set was signed by an official representative of the state: one set was signed by the governor, the other set was signed by either the secretary of state, or the attorney general, or someone like that. And in 2020, several states also submitted two sets of electors, but only one was officially signed by anyone in the state government. The other set - the pro-Trump set - was not. And the Electoral Count Act specifies that the set certified by the governor is THE official set.
> The first was the doofuses known as the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers/etc. who decided that this was the perfect time for them to play commando soldier.
I've seen similar shit locally. Open Carry advocates deciding to all open carry at a protest. So they text each other to show up with their open carry guns. So far it's perfectly legal. But what happens when some doofus shows up who's only in the group for strange reasons and he gets into an alteration with the cops? Now the entire Open Carry movement is tarnished.
I suspect same thing with Oathkeepers (who cares about proudboys, fuck them). At their core they have the right intentions, but they attract too many weekend commando "save our nashun" types.
And Feds
Still clapping like a dumb leftist seal over 20 year sentences for these non violent acts i see.
STFU, TSDS-addled pile of shit.
So, while you are cosplaying "both sides", what do you think would have happened if Trump had won the election? Any chance of "coordinated" protests?
what do you think would have happened if Trump had won the election?
The usual rending of clothes, gnashing of teeth, and general pissiness they left puts on display when they don't get what they want. I doubt it would have gone further than that.
My speculation is that at some time between Election Day and Swearing In, even larger mobs would have gathered in the capitol and "expressed" themselves with equal if not more energy (and destruction). And most of the mob would have believed equally hard that the election was rigged and stolen.
Me too. The stazi that killed protesters deserver to fry. As do all of the governer that illegally changed voting rules causing this much doubt in the election
Part of a thread on the Ministry of Truth
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1534707587488305152?t=fJCWXM1riZ50VZHs_kiXuQ&s=19
Huge
"Documents also suggest that the Department has been working on plans to 'operationalize' its relationships with private social media companies to implement its public policy goals."
Link To Letter:
[Thread, links]
Jeff and Mike rush back to the narrative fairy to see what to say now.
I flashed on a mental image of the progressive narrative fairy, and instantly pictured a guy with a beard in a tiara and tutu.
They’ll ignore it as long as possible then deny they defended it.
this is definitely scary but on the other hand, the administration already does this. And they did it during the Obama admin too.
I believe I said it a few months ago that Twitter Facebook and Google are not private companies, they are arms of the fed
^ this. And Microsoft
Yep. And the only people still denying it are doing so because they approve of the effects of it.
"Do they pay to the place where their employer is located, or to the location of the residence from which they are working?"
Or neither?
They clearly do not receive government services wherever the employer is, so that locality has no claim on their money.
Likewise, they consume no more government service where they live than someone who is not working, so there is no claim there either.
So unless the governments admit they are just after workers money for the hell of it, no payroll taxes from any locality.
Also, I vaguely remember something about no taxation without representation, so the work location need to provide the remote mail in city ballots or shut up.
Head tax and user fees.
So about the democrat party fundraiser scheduled for tonight's entertainment broadcast; is it eligable for awards in the drama (queen) category, or just comedy?
Who will give the obligatory "orangemanbad" speech?
Everyone?
I'm pretty sure every question the committee asks will be some blow hard going on a 10 minute speech followed by a confused witness asking if there was an actual question in there. Hell, they already do that when the only other people in the room are the sleeping C-Span camera guy and a pack of webelos from Iowa City.
I am also from Iowa City.
But never a Webelo.
How about we replace "gender affirming care" with "off book use of pharmaceuticals" and "irreversible elective surgeries" on those too young to buy a semi-automatic rifle?
How 'bout "delusion affirming care"?
"..."We will be revealing new details showing that the violence of January 6 was the result of a coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and stop the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden."..."
The walls are closing in! It's the beginning of the end! The tipping point!
Seems odd to see a committee confessing to withholding evidence of a crime simply to present it in a primetime TV special, no?
Well, according to CBS news last night, the protest (they didn't call it that) cause the deaths of 5 LEOs.
Really. That was the exact claim.
In fact, it caused the deaths of two protesters, both unarmed, and zero LEOs.
And CBS claims to run a "news" organization.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/06/08/brazils-president-questions-if-biden-actually-won-the-2020-election-ahead-of-upcoming-visit-1247403/
How pregnancy became gender neutral.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Learn to love Big Brother, er, Big Gender-fluid Sibling Person.
“Once your faith persuades you to believe what your intelligence declares to be absurd, beware lest you likewise sacrifice your reason in the conduct of your life…. Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”—Voltaire
Let's pretend the rioters stormed onto the House Floor. Then what? At this point it's clear almost none of them had firearms, if any. Were they going to club 535 Congress people to death and seize control of the government? Simply being inside the building doesn't give them the authority to pass laws, though. They weren't going to overthrow the government, they were incapable of overthrowing the government.
If their only assertion of "insurrection" is that they sought to interfere with a government function, literally every protest is now illegal. Because a protest is an attempt to stop the government from doing what it's doing by changing policy. The Civil Rights March was an insurrection because it was an attempt to interfere with the government's function of segregating Blacks and Whites, to interfere with the government's ability to pass miscegenation laws, etc. The March on Birmingham was an insurrection because it shut down a public road.
That definition of insurrection is so broad as to be untenable. It destroys free speech and free assembly in the country. So what was the actual insurrection?
Let us be more clear. The leader of the Senate personally threatened supreme court justice Brett Kavanaugh over a pending decision. He said he would face consequences and reap the whirlwind.
Then someone took action. They actually went to his house with a gun and other implements, intending to commit murder.
The very next day, protesters were outside Kavanaugh's home again.
Let us not pretend that this is anything other than politics. They are liars, every one. Not a one of them believes a word of it. But they have so little respect for you that they expect you to believe it.
The entire farce is based on the assumption that the people involved could, in reality, prevent Joe Biden from being declared POTUS.
Are we to believe the protesters were capable of gagging and binding the hands of sufficient congress-critters for long enough to prevent the vote from being taken?
Exactly how could the protesters have accomplished the claimed 'crime'.
This is like charging someone with the intent to commit armed robbery when they were 'carrying' a paper-clip.
The entire farce is based on the assumption that the people involved could, in reality, prevent Joe Biden from being declared POTUS.
They could have--if the right could unite longer than a few seconds.
The courts did everything they could to avoid being pulled in by invoking process and standing in places where there simply was no precedent whatsoever.
The nevertrumpers were openly on the side of the left.
And the GOP establishment STILL doesn't understand that 'getting rid of someone you can't control' often leads to you having no control at all.
Yeah, it was more cosplay than revolution. But then again many people, especially Democrats, live cosplay lives, based on delusional fantasies about biology, economics, and history. I guess if another cosplay universe threatens yours, you might really think it's the end of the world.
Let's pretend the rioters stormed onto the House Floor. Then what?
Exactly. That's why I've said from the beginning that calling this an "insurrection" is a bad joke.
If their only assertion of "insurrection" is that they sought to interfere with a government function, literally every protest is now illegal.
That's bull and you know it. They disrupted a government function while it was happening. Equating every protest to that is just a dishonest way to dismiss what happened. Same as when people say "BLM got away with it, why can't we?"
And not some insignificant government function. They attempted to disrupt the Constitutionally-outlined acceptance of the electoral college results.
But, but, but..... Summer riots! What about the summer riots! You supported the summer riots!
Oh, yeah, totally! If it's liberals or progressives or Socialists or Greens or Democrats or antifa or people of color, I'm all for them rioting and being destructive! I'm totally hypocritical that way!
They tried to disrupt the swearing in of Trump and of Kavanaugh.
But, hey, that is immaterial, amirite?
Did they force an evacuation? Or is that an irrelevant detail.
They laid waste to DC and the SCOTUS had to hold their doors shut. So there was that.
Do you REALLY want to compare 1/20/17 to 1/6/21?
So everyone who yells and taunts police when they're trying to make an arrest is an insurrectionist, since they're interfering with a government function while it is happening. If you show up to stand in front of a road grader about to pave a new highway, you're an insurrectionist. If you're blocking a public road, you're interfering with public property and preventing a function of government-ie, providing roads to the public.
It's untenable. Call a spade a spade. It's a fucking riot.
You're do not possess a thinking mind if you equate taunting the police with causing the evacuation of a federal building.
Well, there were police there for 1/20. Pelosi decided to skimp on the police for a massive rally on 1/6.
To be blunt, I'd applaud REGULAR "storming" of the Capitol. Make our elected representatives FEAR us.
Did they have to evacuate though?
These motherfuckers are not our betters and they are not some aristocracy to be guarded above all others.
Why do you think this is not the progressives goal?
That definition of insurrection is so broad as to be untenable. It destroys free speech and free assembly in the country. So what was the actual insurrection?
Your answer in bold. That is the goal.
Let us be clear. This will not be a hearing. This is not an "investigation" in any traditional sense of the word.
How do we know this?
Well, they waited until the summer of an election year. They are putting it in prime time. It is an entirely partisan process.
But mostly...
They are putting "the results of our investigation" on in prime time. Not normal hours. And not an investigation.
And they are calling witnesses. They intend to trot out prominent republicans (at gunpoint) and force them to stand before an inquisition.
An investigation would do none of these.
This is very Soviet Union.
That much should be obvious, regardless of what happened on the date in question.
only journalists and DC employees give a shit.
I give a shit. It's explicit Stalinism.
We're fucked.
There is no peaceful way out of this, and it's going to get much worse.
i should have been more clear. No one gives a shit about the events of january 6, even the people who are pretending to be outraged know it's all political posturing.
Americans like a mashup of politics, religion, and sports, so I predict a good portion of team D will put on some face paint, tailgate with friends, and then invest their full emotional selves watching the game.
If the accounts of protesters being let in by the police are accurate, this could completely backfire.
You assume they will allow anything that does not go along with Dem narrative to be aired. That is likely a false assumption. This is going to be so stage managed N. Korea would be like "Whoa, lighten up SOME, dudes"
So still haven’t watched the video of this actually happening I see.
And now pretending that that evidence will be part of this show trial?
You were given fucking videos above you ignorant shit.
https://twitter.com/Michael20224/status/1534752831382573056?t=iiJ62KFvV7jLWCw_seUG-Q&s=19
This is the reason we're paying $6.00 for a gallon of gas [pic]
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1534910826322317313?t=AhiBYIyhNtBhnMRC_LbHrw&s=19
JUST IN - National average price of gas in the U.S. surpassed $5 per gallon today for the first time ever, according to GasBuddy.
[Link]
https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1534906740290072577?t=-AtoLIexD1PhsNFB50XIkA&s=19
BREAKING: The FBI has arrested Republican candidate for governor Ryan Kelley at his home and taken him into custody.
They’ve kicked out three Republican candidates and now arrested one. They really want Whitmer to win re-election.
I wonder how Gretch is polling next to Kelley...
Not sure, I haven’t really started paying attention to the race yet.
Actually they took out five.
https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1534910298817191937?t=9ScLDBKVqSPtLV_8txmHbg&s=19
The FBI hatched a fake plot to kidnap and kill Michigan’s Democrat governor to create anti-Trump headlines before the 2020 election.
This morning, that same FBI arrested Whitmer’s opponent to help generate headlines for the illegal J6 inquisition.
I'm recommending folks start to use nitter instead of linking directly to twitter.
You can generate it by just changing the url to be nitter.net rather than twitter.com, the rest stays the same:
Ex.
https://nitter.net/iowahawkblog/status/1534655351362138114#m
https://nitter.net/seanmdav/status/1534910298817191937?t=9ScLDBKVqSPtLV_8txmHbg&s=19
What assurances are there that nitter.net will be around long term?
It's just an open-source front end to twitter that removes tracking and log-in requirements. Also removes javascript and such.
That's good. I was thinking more about the nitter.net site itself. Who is funding its hosting, and making sure it doesn't go away?
I'm recommending ignoring anyone using twitter as a source. For pete's sake, Wiki has more cred.
I'm appreciative of this because I have zero desire to be on twitter, but would like to be able to view the stupidest shit Reasonists put on there. It's also helpful for when these writers chose to claim a tweet was horribly offensive without linking to or quoting it
Antonio attempted to die by suicide by ingesting a bottle of aspirin.
Real talk. How much aspirin does one need to ingest to die? I've worked with suicide stuff at various points in my life, and I've never heard anyone trying aspirin as a means.
300-500 mg/kg, apparently. Seems like there's easier ways to go about it, even if pills are your thing.
Recommended by the Japanese, apparently.
put it in the spaghetti sauce ala I Love You To Death
Antonio attempted to get attention by ingesting a bottle of asprin.
Do you think Reason chose that photo just to mess with Tony's head?
https://twitter.com/JevRetvrns/status/1534915423153561600?t=8mL4VZLOFRUllVIWzyYm8A&s=19
Biden admin hired 80 thousand additional workers for the IRS so they could go after normies with a side hustle and small businesses.
They want to gut the middle class, and give everything to the giant corps.
The goal of the world economic fund is to reorder the global economy into an aristocracy and a servant class. They're not bothering to hide it.
fundforumYou will have nothing! and eat the bugs! And teachers will choose your child's gender!
And you will love it comrade!
Will Tonight's Capitol Riot Hearing Deliver Bombshells or Be Another Dud?
If Michael Bay produced it, I would have watched.
fuck if I don't wish I could watch the delicious tears of the media who want this 1/6 nonsense to be a something
"...It's been nearly a year and a half since Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol..."
"Stormed"?
Shove it up your ass, ENB.
She likely was doing that while writing this.
After a year and a half, ENB (like other Democrats and left wing media propagandists) still hasn't mentioned Ray Epps, who conspired with a half dozen others (likely all FBI agents or informants, just like those who conspired to kidnap the MI governor and then framed several useful idiots) to remove the Capitol police barriers, told/herded thousands of Trump supporters to enter the Capitol Grounds, broke several Capital doors/windows, and then urged Trump supporters to enter the Capitol.
If Pelosi was objective and actually cared about America, she'd apologize for causing the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6 (as she rejected Trump's request for 10,000 National Guard troops).
And if ENB was objective, she'd have exposed and criticized Pelosi's corruption.
If Pelosi was objective and actually cared about America, she'd apologize for causing the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6 (as she rejected Trump's request for 10,000 National Guard troops).
Where is your evidence that Pelosi rejected this request?
Are you fucking kidding me right now? This was literally discussed ad nauseum over like 100 different Sullum articles after J6.
Biden on Kimmel:
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1534763208564690944?s=20&t=S0ELOVLYTU-bob7dEoTPlQ
Yes, putting Brandon on TV more is DEFINITELY a winning strategy. Please do more of this.
BTW:
"Michigan candidate for governor, Ryan Kelley, arrested by FBI for Jan. 6 involvement"
[...]
"Thursday, the FBI arrested Michigan candidate for governor Ryan Kelley in Allendale, Mich., on misdemeanor charges that the Department of Justice says are related to the Jan. 6, 2021 breach at the U.S. capitol."
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/09/1103925150/michigan-candidate-for-governor-ryan-kelley-arrested-by-fbi-for-jan-6-involvemen
Probably creatin' a nuisance.
Not supposed to be a reply, but Reason's steam-powered server often does as it pleases.
Repeating literal RNC talking points. Huh.
You know there’s an actual video of Biden in the tweet, right? Odd you didn’t comment on the actual content of the tweet. Haha, just kidding, it’s exactly what i would expect.
Gee, cannot figure out why somebody would think you will not look at links provided.
"We will be revealing new details showing that the violence of January 6 was the result of a coordinated, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election and stop the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden."
Zzz...
"transfer of POWER!"
Marinate on that for a moment.
(Democratic) government is what we do to outsource fucking with others.
That's right. It makes it ok if we do it thru the State Apparatus.
https://twitter.com/scottadamssays/status/1534881919883628544?s=21&t=EXDnFHFHAJ7gQYDYkAi0Gw
Today some elected idiots will try to convince America that the only place Republicans don’t bring guns is to a highly organized insurrection.
Serious LOL. Haha!
Hoooweee, this WaPo Jr. High school spat is going WHITE HOT!
that stupid chick is setting records for stupid.
Only if you think her end goal is anything besides, "I need them to fire me." This is the HPD version of (career) suicide by cop.
Ironically, the guy who didn't really do anything wrong is the one who got fired... by the Washington Post's own publicly stated standards of employee behavior.
They fired her.
https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/1535004092463980544?s=20&t=_DS6WePQ3uDrt5RVlVO95A
I'm so old I remember when a member of a congressional committee claimed to have proof of collusion between Donald Trump and Russia. I also remember that even though that turned out to be a lie the left media and most Reasoners continued to act as if it were true anyway.
Funny, ENB and Reason editors don't talk about any of that "news".
It had truthiness about it, at least admit that, Hitler.
If there’s one thing Nazis love, it’s colluding with Russians.
Well, there was that secret Ribbentrop-Molotov non-aggression pact. But it didn't work out so well.
It actually had zero truthfulness about it. Truth is Hillary Clinton paid to have misinformation spread about it attempting to influence the election and make lefty dolts think it was true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
Apparently Tony doesn't understand the fact that we spell "link" and "collusion" differently means they are different words.
There are enough red flags to stop worshiping the man as a godhead.
look Trump is gone and isn't coming back. If he hasn't been charged with anything yet he isn't going to be. And if the Dems had allowed Bernie to beat Clinton, Trump never would have been president and maybe our middle east policy would have resulted in a ton of innocent people not getting blown apart.
Bernie lost to Hillary 55% to 43%. That's worse than she beat Trump. What are you smoking?
There are enough red flags to stop worshiping the man as a godhead.
So he abandoned his claim and now tries to distract with this fantasy. So predictable. It seems he can't form coherent thoughts so bounces back and forth from one inane thought to another.
Joe is literally dumber than shrike.
Let that sink in for a moment.
That really sounds nefarious. Then you look at it and it seems the people had links between business associates with some being American citizens from Russia. If you think that is bad look up how many American businesses are involved in Russia and with Russians. Paying close attention to that article and the one sentence disclaimers tells the truth about it. Sorting through the BS and propaganda in the article you find:
Ultimately, Mueller's investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities".
Trump and some of his campaign members, business partners, administration nominees, and family members have been subjected to intense scrutiny to determine whether they have had improper dealings during their contacts with Russian officials.
Former ambassadors Michael McFaul and John Beyrle said they were "extremely troubled" by the evidence of Russian interference in the U.S. election. Both supported an independent investigation into the matter but dismissed as "preposterous" the allegations that Kislyak participated in it, particularly through his meetings with the Trump campaign: "Kislyak's job is to meet with government officials and campaign people," McFaul stated. "People should meet with the Russian Ambassador and it's wrong to criminalize that or discourage it.
Former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell stated in March 2017 that he had seen no evidence of conspiracy between Trump and the Kremlin: "On the question of the Trump campaign conspiring with the Russians here, there is smoke, but there is no fire, at all."
JAMES CLAPPER: We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, “our,” that’s N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that
The truth is in the article but you have to read it all.
Marshall, the GOP led Senate Intel Comm report of August 2020 confirmed Trump's collusion with Russians.
"The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow's intent was to damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee's findings are based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting. ...
,,,In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention for its influence operations. -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from Russian overnment su art
While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming.
Some of the individuals the GRU targeted for outreach with the Gucci fer 2.0 persona were closely associated with the Trump Campaign, such as long-time Trump advisor Roger Stone.1249 On August 5, 2016, Stone penned an opinion piece asserting that Guccifer 2.0, not the Russians, had hacked the DNC, and repeating the false claims made by the GRU on the Guccifer 2.0 website and Twitter account.12
In addition to disseminating hacked materials through its own personas, the GRU gave information to WikiLeaks as part of a joint effort to secure wider distribution of stolen DNC documents and John Podesta emails. WikiLeaks opted to release those materials, first on July 22 and later on an ongoing basis between October 7 and the election. WikiLeaks also actively solicited and then released the documents for maximum effect, despite mounting evidence that they had been stolen by Russian government hackers. Notably, this was not the first instance that WikiLeaks had taken actions for the purpose of harming U.S. interests. Nor is it the only instance of contact between the Russian government and WikiLeaks, which have a history of parallel and sometimes coordinated actions in attacking U.S. institutions.
The Russian government has pursued a relationship with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks that includes formal partnerships with state-owned media platforms, government assistance for WikiLeaks associates and sources, and information sharing. This relationship has existed since at least 2012 and reflects an alignment between the Russian government and WikiLeaks in seeking to undermine U.S. institutions and security. (U) RT (formerly Russia Today) has provided both beneficial coverage ofWikiLeaks and a formal, compensated media platform for Assange. RT first signed a contract with Assange
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were coordinating the release of hacked pNC, DCCC, and Podesta documents, Trump and senior Campaign officials sought information relating to "missing" Hillary Clinton emails as part of the Campaign's opposition research and press strategies. Beginning in April or May 2016, Roger Stone repeatedly cc;mveyed to Trump and senior Campaign staff that WikiLeaks would be releasing information damaging to Clinton. After the July 22 WikiLeaks release, Trump and senior Campaign officials believed Stone had access to non-public information about WikiLeaks' s ability and intent to release emails harmful to Clinton. (U) Thereafter, Trump directed Campaign officials to stay in touch with Roger Stone about future WikiLeaks activities regarding Clinton-related emails. Manafort in tum tasked Stone to contact Julian Assange, and Stone endeavored to reach Assange through several intermediaries. Stone reported back to senior Campaign officials and· associates, and to Trump directly, and provided advance informatio~ about another expected release relating to John Podesta, which he said would be damaging to Clinton. After WikiLeaks published the Podesta emails on October 7, Trump and the Campaign believed Stone had again acquired accurate, nonpublic information. The Committee could not reliably trace the provision of non-public information from WikiLeaks to Stone, and as a result. could not evaluate the full scope of Stone's non-public knowledge of WikiLeaks's activities. (U) The Trump Campaign strategically monitored and promoted the WikiLeaks releases of John Podesta's emails from October 7 until the· election.• The Campaign tried to cast doubton the October 7 joint DHS/ODNT assessment formally attributing the activity to Russia, and was indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign.....
...At approximately 4:32 p.m. on October 7-approximately 32 minutes after the release of the Access Hollywood tape-WikiLeaks released 2,050 emails that the GRU had stolen from John Podesta, repeatedly announcing the leak on Twitter and linking to a searchable archive of the documents.1677
Corsi said that after the October 7 WikiLeaks release, he and Stone agreed that they deserve.d credit and that."Trump should reward us."1682 However, Corsi said that Stone was concerned about having advance information about the Podesta release, and that Stone recruited . Corsi to make sure no one knew Stone had advance knowledge of that information. After the October 7 release, Corsi claimed that Stone directed him to delete emails relating to the Podesta information.1683 As outlined in his indictment and presented at trial, in subsequent congressional testim~ny to the HPSCI, Stone hid his communications with Corsi about WikiLeaks, and instead identified Credico as his intermediary; he also concealed communications he made directing both Corsi and Credico to obtain advance information about future WikiLeaks releases; and he made misleading and false statements about his communications with the Trump Campaign and individuals associated with the Campaign.1684 Following this testimony, Corsi said that Stone directed him to "stick to the plan"; Stone also threatened Credico to prevent him from testifying · to HPSCI and contradicting Stone's story.....
Trump, in written responses to the SCO, stated: "I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks. with individuals associated with my campaign."1624 Trump further claimed that he had "no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1, 2016 and November 8, 2016."1625 Despite Trump's recollection, the Committee ass~sses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions. ...
...Despite the contemporaneous statement by the U.S. Government warning of Russian responsibility for the hacking and leaking of the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton Campaign documents and emails, the Trump Campaign considered the release of these materials to be its "October surprise."1691 ....
...While the Campaign was using the WikiLeaks documents, Trump cast doubt on the assessment that Russian government hackers were responsible for the hack-and-leak campaign. ..."
There's much more.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
I’m sorry, but democrats encouraged a summer of riots with many more victims and no investigation.
I really don’t have time for partisan show trials.
Democrats encouraged no riots. The only victims were the ones assaulted by police. And every crime has been prosecuted. So three lies in one sentence.
Those protests were about making social progress on a very important liberty issue. Jan 6 was a violent attempt to install a dictator.
You have bad morals. You are a bad person if these are your priorities.
Democrats encouraged no riots. The only victims were the ones assaulted by police. And every crime has been prosecuted. So three lies in one sentence.
Tony is the perfect leftist. He asserts, and quite possibly believes, whatever supports his political narrative. There is no relationship whatsoever between his beliefs and reality. Reality is simply irrelevant.
I know facts because I do not soil my brain by jacking into FOX News or trash right-wing blogs like you do.
At any rate, someone committing a crime in the past does not excuse future crimes. Some might say nothing could possibly excuse an attempted coup against the United States.
Only a lefty dolt would believe a few rioters could take over the government. But then the same lefty dolts also were easily duped into voting for Biden and the results of that have been catastrophic. When Joe "big guy" Biden is impeached, removed and indicted next year how embarrassed will the lefty dolts be to have voted for a criminal?
I know facts
I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart ...
I wondered what the left calls the surge in crime due to Saint George and the summer of peaceful rioting, looting and arson. "Social progress on a very important liberty issue" seems to be lethal. The number of violent deaths due to the "defund the police" agenda initiated by it seems more like radical destruction than progress.
Progress is real progress only when it evolves naturally and thoughtfully from the history of human experience and accumulated wisdom. When it is imposed in contempt for that experience and wisdom, then progress is in fact radical destruction.
This seems to be more in line with the Joe "big guy" Biden regime progress.
Democrats have been encouraging violence against their political opponents for years.
No, those protests were intended to (literally) "destroy the system" of government of the United States and replace it with an authoritarian, leftist system.
No, Tony, you have bad morals: you advance the same evil ideology as fascists and socialists throughout history.
PFLAG, ACLU, and Lambda Legal sue over Texas transgender directive
Why isn't NAMBLA in on it?
How much is this guy costing taxpayers to produce this fucking sham?
https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/ex-abc-news-exec-james-goldston-producing-jan-6-committees-primetime-hearing/
PFLAG was never about transgender issues. The institution has been taken over by radical leftists with their own agenda.
Their history has even been retconned:
No, it didn't. There were no "LGBT activist groups" in 1977. PFLAG was an organization for gays and lesbians, integrating with other organizations for gays and lesbians.
You probably curled into a ball and lashed out hysterically at every single advance of civil rights for vulnerable minorities. You think we're gonna pull up the ladder right before we get to trans people? You think the forces of cultural regressiveness are going to finally win, this time?
NOBODY takes trannies seriously.
Literally nobody. Hard to identify as something you are incapable of defining.
So what do you want the government to do to them?
Nothing.
The government should do nothing "to them". Transgender people should legally be treated no different from anybody else. Living as a transgender person should be legal, as should be elective sex change operations and hormone treatments for adults.
If you have completed sex change surgery and hormone treatment (a process that takes around a decade), you should be able to legally change your sex.
Even then, no.
Cutting your dick off does not make you a woman. Hormones do not either.
But I do hope the activists get sued into oblivion --- excessive testosterone can cause cancer and a wealth of health problems in men. What are the odds of hormones for the incorrect sex will cause you health issues?
I expect there will be long term adverse effects from puberty blockers, too. It's certain that they affect brain development. Not likely those effects will be benign.
No, but it satisfies the usual objectives for bathrooms and other women-only spaces: no penises in women's private spaces.
you should be able to legally change your sex.
Why? Why should the law participate in your delusion? Should you be able to change your age, too? How about your height?
"So what do you want the government to do to them?"
Same thing they do with anorexics. Who have the same issue.
"vulnerable"...can you define what that means please? And "trans rights"? Pretty sure the govt cannot discriminate or force others to but honestly you can and should be able to discriminate all you want in a free society. I don't care what sexual preference you are at all but govt shouldn't be "celebrating" pride week...that is in effect discrminating as they don't "celebrate" say Tall men week or fat woman week...total bullshit. The only flag that should ever be at a Federal Govt building is the US flag...period. oh and govt schools should not be the hunting ground for pedos looking to chemically castrate 10 year olds. That is fucking sick. Sterilization of youngsters is out of Nazi Germany
Medical "transitioning" was literally invented in Nazi Germany.
To the contrary, Tony: the gay and lesbian struggle for equality under the law and societal acceptance took decades. We are not going to let assholes like you, Tony, hijack it and erase it in order to advance your intolerant and racist ideology.
I dearly hope that the Trump cultists who used the capitol as a toilet used the capitol that corresponded to their birth gender.
You really need to get your drinking under control.
Lock him up.
The "bombshell" tonight was:
1. Barr on tape saying he told Trump that the idea he only lost because of fraud was "bullshit". Ivanka on tape saying of course she believed Barr.
2. This and others in the administration testifying that they told Trump he lost fair and square removes any claim that he was just pursuing legitimate doubts. That makes his pathetic attempt to stay in office a criminal effort toward and insurrection.
That's not all the committee is sitting on.
The question of Trump's guilt was settled by Congress during the impeachment proceedings. You may not like the outcome, but that settles that part. Barr's and Ivanka's opinions on the matter are irrelevant at this point.
The real legal "bombshell" is that the purpose of congressional hearings is to inform legislation; the January 6 commission serves no legislative purpose, it is an abuse of power by Democrats for political purposes. Every single subpoena issued by the committee is illegal.
The question of Trump's guilt was settled by Congress during the impeachment proceedings.
Impeachment is not a criminal trial, and the Senate is not an objective jury, despite them swearing to judge things objectively.
The real legal "bombshell" is that the purpose of congressional hearings is to inform legislation; the January 6 commission serves no legislative purpose, it is an abuse of power by Democrats for political purposes. Every single subpoena issued by the committee is illegal.
In Barr's words, bullshit. Reforming the Electoral Count Act is clearly necessary, and understanding everything that led to the events of Jan. 6 is important to showing that need and for other protections to voting rights. The law should be clear that neither the Vice President nor Congress has the power to reject the Electoral Votes of states that have certified their results. Campaigns that want to challenge the results within each state can do so under those states' laws and courts.
The Electoral Count Act was passed in 1887 to set procedures for states to certify their results because of disputes in 1876 where multiple states sent the votes of competing slates of electors, and violence and fraud were rampant in Southern states. There was no legitimate dispute over who the certified Electors were from each state in 2020. None of the Republicans that objected to the results had any legal basis for their objections, they just didn't like the result. That is not how a republic is supposed to work.
Correct. But it is the mechanism that sitting presidents are subjected to for their actions.
Republicans are on board with reform of the Electoral Count Act, it is this partisan charade of a hearing by Democrats that keeps that from going through.
The way our republic is supposed to work is that state legislatures set the rules for how electors are selected. Since state courts and state bureaucrats had clearly violated the laws as set down by state legislatures, there was certainly a legal basis for calling into question the electors from several states. Politically, this clearly would have gone nowhere, but to say that there was no legal basis is wrong. And it is also wrong to say that Biden's election is the way our republic is supposed to work.
Correct. But it is the mechanism that sitting presidents are subjected to for their actions.
Yes. And nothing prevents a former president from being criminally prosecuted once out of office. In truth, it is only the opinion and policy of the DoJ that a sitting president can't be indicted for alleged criminal acts. To my knowledge, nothing in law or the Constitution expressly forbids it.
The way our republic is supposed to work is that state legislatures set the rules for how electors are selected. Since state courts and state bureaucrats had clearly violated the laws as set down by state legislatures, there was certainly a legal basis for calling into question the electors from several states.
This argument I've seen since 2020 is nonsensical. Legislatures have few powers that are not subject to scrutiny by courts or checks from an executive. It is part of the checks and balances that make our republic work for courts to settle disputes about whether the laws previously passed by a legislature are being followed faithfully and whether those laws are consistent with the state and federal constitutions, and with federal law in areas where federal law would be the supreme law of the land. This kind of legislative supremacy theory would simply give a partisan legislature the incentive and ability to manipulate the rules to maintain its party's power. The basic principle of democratic governance is that power ultimately lies with the people. If the current government can manipulate the rules to avoid being voted out of office when a majority of the people no longer want those people governing them, then you don't have a democratic republic anymore.
And it is also wrong to say that Biden's election is the way our republic is supposed to work.
Why? Because 7 million votes more isn't enough due to the way the Electoral College works? The EC is the only reason the election was close enough for there to be any room for debate about it. I never thought that our republic was supposed to elect a president that failed to obtain the support of a majority of the country by such a large margin. That the structure of the EC meant that elections like 2000 would happen, where Bush won with a slight deficit in the national popular vote, doesn't bother me. But that Biden could get 7 million more votes than Trump (+4.4%) and that less than 50,000 votes in the right states would have allowed Trump to win is a perversion of representative government. Worse than the tyranny of the majority is the tyranny of the minority.
The Congressmen involved should be required to report the cost of the TV coverage as a campaign contribution.
Any day now….
BOMBSHELLS, people--
1. Barr on tape saying he told Trump that the idea he only lost because of fraud was "bullshit".
Bill Barr ON TAPE expressing an OPINION.
Ivanka on tape saying of course she believed Barr.
But that's not all--OTHER people also told Trump that they thought he lost 'fair and square'
Those are BOMBSHELLS, people, various people's opinions on whether Trump won or lost the election prove.......well they show.......something? please? jeez, throw the Dems and the left a bone here, this is ALL THEY HAVE.
I'd tell you that you're pathetic, Joe, but that'd be a compliment.
Ivanka ON TAPE saving that Barr SAID THAT VERY THING.
Ivanka on tape saying of course she believed Barr.
Sorry NYOB, but all US citizens are subject to laws which are adjudicated in courtrooms, not the floor of the US Senate.
As you must know, after deciding they wanted leave their balls in Trump's desk drawer, the GOP turned down a bi-partisan committee investigation modelled after the 9/11 committee and featuring equal subpoena powers for the House minority GOP, a most unusual arrangement. Whatever partisan character you find in the committee - and of course Rep Cheney still has her balls - is due to the cowardice and traitorous behavior of the House GOP.
"GOP turned down a bi-partisan committee investigation modelled after the 9/11 committee"
Republicans dictated what Democrats could serve on the 9/11 Commission?
No?
Then they aren't comparable.
Your missing the point. Congress had its stab at accusing and convicting Trump and they failed.
You are right that all US citizens are subject to laws which are adjudicated in court rooms. And courts have their own means of collecting evidence. Using a congressional commission to gather evidence for legal court proceedings is a massive abuse of power.
Congress had its stab at convicting Trump during the impeachment and they failed. Courts haven't done anything on Trump because the evidence isn't there. And now Democrats are abusing congressional investigative powers for political purposes. That's the reality of it.
The GOP was perfectly willing to participate in a bipartisan committee. The committee became partisan and illegitimate when Nancy Pelosi refused to seat the committee members selected by the GOP. And she did that precisely because she feared that Republicans would use their subpoena power to expose inconvenient truths.
All known Trump haters.
Lied about Russian collusion
Lied about the pee tape.
Lied about the DC riot as a photo opportunity
Lied about bountygate
Lied about find the fraud
Lied about capitol police man dead from blow to head by fire extinguisher.
Lied about Trump getting wealthy from being president.
Edited video in the first impeachment to change context.
Edited text messages in the second impeachment to change meaning.
Why would I believe any evidence they presented?
Why would I believe anything they said?
Why would I believe any conclusions they have drawn?
Truthfully the only insurrection and sedition was the bloodless coup against Trump in the form of an illegal impeachment using fake evidence, provided and paid for by Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the corrupt FBI.
Get over it.
"The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow's intent was to damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee's findings are based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting. ...
,,,In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention for its influence operations. -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from Russian overnment su art
While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming.
Some of the individuals the GRU targeted for outreach with the Gucci fer 2.0 persona were closely associated with the Trump Campaign, such as long-time Trump advisor Roger Stone.1249 On August 5, 2016, Stone penned an opinion piece asserting that Guccifer 2.0, not the Russians, had hacked the DNC, and repeating the false claims made by the GRU on the Guccifer 2.0 website and Twitter account.12
In addition to disseminating hacked materials through its own personas, the GRU gave information to WikiLeaks as part of a joint effort to secure wider distribution of stolen DNC documents and John Podesta emails. WikiLeaks opted to release those materials, first on July 22 and later on an ongoing basis between October 7 and the election. WikiLeaks also actively solicited and then released the documents for maximum effect, despite mounting evidence that they had been stolen by Russian government hackers. Notably, this was not the first instance that WikiLeaks had taken actions for the purpose of harming U.S. interests. Nor is it the only instance of contact between the Russian government and WikiLeaks, which have a history of parallel and sometimes coordinated actions in attacking U.S. institutions.
The Russian government has pursued a relationship with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks that includes formal partnerships with state-owned media platforms, government assistance for WikiLeaks associates and sources, and information sharing. This relationship has existed since at least 2012 and reflects an alignment between the Russian government and WikiLeaks in seeking to undermine U.S. institutions and security. (U) RT (formerly Russia Today) has provided both beneficial coverage ofWikiLeaks and a formal, compensated media platform for Assange. RT first signed a contract with Assange
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were coordinating the release of hacked pNC, DCCC, and Podesta documents, Trump and senior Campaign officials sought information relating to "missing" Hillary Clinton emails as part of the Campaign's opposition research and press strategies. Beginning in April or May 2016, Roger Stone repeatedly cc;mveyed to Trump and senior Campaign staff that WikiLeaks would be releasing information damaging to Clinton. After the July 22 WikiLeaks release, Trump and senior Campaign officials believed Stone had access to non-public information about WikiLeaks' s ability and intent to release emails harmful to Clinton. (U) Thereafter, Trump directed Campaign officials to stay in touch with Roger Stone about future WikiLeaks activities regarding Clinton-related emails. Manafort in tum tasked Stone to contact Julian Assange, and Stone endeavored to reach Assange through several intermediaries. Stone reported back to senior Campaign officials and· associates, and to Trump directly, and provided advance informatio~ about another expected release relating to John Podesta, which he said would be damaging to Clinton. After WikiLeaks published the Podesta emails on October 7, Trump and the Campaign believed Stone had again acquired accurate, nonpublic information. The Committee could not reliably trace the provision of non-public information from WikiLeaks to Stone, and as a result. could not evaluate the full scope of Stone's non-public knowledge of WikiLeaks's activities. (U) The Trump Campaign strategically monitored and promoted the WikiLeaks releases of John Podesta's emails from October 7 until the· election.• The Campaign tried to cast doubton the October 7 joint DHS/ODNT assessment formally attributing the activity to Russia, and was indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign.....
...At approximately 4:32 p.m. on October 7-approximately 32 minutes after the release of the Access Hollywood tape-WikiLeaks released 2,050 emails that the GRU had stolen from John Podesta, repeatedly announcing the leak on Twitter and linking to a searchable archive of the documents.1677
Corsi said that after the October 7 WikiLeaks release, he and Stone agreed that they deserve.d credit and that."Trump should reward us."1682 However, Corsi said that Stone was concerned about having advance information about the Podesta release, and that Stone recruited . Corsi to make sure no one knew Stone had advance knowledge of that information. After the October 7 release, Corsi claimed that Stone directed him to delete emails relating to the Podesta information.1683 As outlined in his indictment and presented at trial, in subsequent congressional testim~ny to the HPSCI, Stone hid his communications with Corsi about WikiLeaks, and instead identified Credico as his intermediary; he also concealed communications he made directing both Corsi and Credico to obtain advance information about future WikiLeaks releases; and he made misleading and false statements about his communications with the Trump Campaign and individuals associated with the Campaign.1684 Following this testimony, Corsi said that Stone directed him to "stick to the plan"; Stone also threatened Credico to prevent him from testifying · to HPSCI and contradicting Stone's story.....
Trump, in written responses to the SCO, stated: "I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks. with individuals associated with my campaign."1624 Trump further claimed that he had "no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1, 2016 and November 8, 2016."1625 Despite Trump's recollection, the Committee ass~sses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions. ...
...Despite the contemporaneous statement by the U.S. Government warning of Russian responsibility for the hacking and leaking of the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton Campaign documents and emails, the Trump Campaign considered the release of these materials to be its "October surprise."1691 ....
...While the Campaign was using the WikiLeaks documents, Trump cast doubt on the assessment that Russian government hackers were responsible for the hack-and-leak campaign. ..."
There's much more.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
You mean the Trump campaign used publicly available information describing actual misconduct by Hillary Clinton in order to campaign against Hillary Clinton?
What exactly do you think is wrong with that?
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