Would These 4 Gun Controls Prevent Mass Shootings?
An analysis of such crimes suggests the president’s policy prescriptions are unlikely to have a meaningful impact.

The New York Times reckons that four gun control measures Congress is considering "might have changed the course of at least 35 mass shootings" since 1999—one-third of attacks in which a gunman killed at least four people. While that conclusion is excessively optimistic, the newspaper is at least asking the right question: Are new restrictions on firearms likely to work as advertised?
President Joe Biden, by contrast, simply assumes the wisdom of the policies he favors and the bad faith of anyone who opposes them. "The issue we face is one of conscience and common sense," he insisted last week, implying that skeptics lack one or both.
Among other things, Biden wants Congress to require background checks for private gun transfers, which means such transactions must be completed through a federally licensed dealer. The Times found that four of the mass killers in the 105 cases it examined bought guns in private transactions.
One of those perpetrators had already failed a background check. One of the other three, the Violence Policy Center reports, "legally bought" a pistol from a gun shop. According to a 2013 review in The Atlantic, it is not clear whether either of the two other killers had disqualifying criminal or psychiatric records.
In at least one case out of 105, then, an expanded federal background-check requirement might have been an obstacle. But that's assuming private sellers generally would comply with that mandate, and data from states that notionally require "universal background checks" suggest such rules are widely flouted.
The Times found that at least 20 mass murderers used magazines that held more than 10 rounds. The 1994 federal "assault weapon" law, which expired in 2004, prohibited the production and sale of such magazines, and Biden wants Congress to renew that limit.
Even if we assume that the need to switch magazines after firing 10 rounds can make an important difference in mass shootings, the effectiveness of a ban is doubtful. A 2004 report commissioned by the Justice Department found that the 1994 ban had no measurable impact on the use of "large capacity magazines" in crimes, probably "due to the immense stock of exempted pre-ban magazines"—a stock that is even bigger now than it was then.
In 10 of the 105 mass shootings analyzed by the Times, the perpetrators used stolen guns. The paper suggests "safe storage" legislation backed by Biden might have made a difference in those cases.
One such bill would establish a $500 fine for gun owners who fail to secure their weapons in circumstances where a minor "is likely to gain access" to them or in households where a resident is legally barred from possessing firearms. If a minor or prohibited person uses an unsecured gun to injure or kill someone, the owner would face up to five years in prison.
The bill also would provide grants aimed at encouraging states to establish and enforce similar requirements. The idea that such laws could prevent would-be mass shooters from obtaining firearms assumes wide compliance and a lack of alternative sources, both of which are debatable assumptions.
The Times says "four of the gunmen might have been stymied" by a law prohibiting federally licensed gun dealers from selling semiautomatic centerfire rifles that accept detachable magazines to anyone younger than 21. That bill, which Biden also supports, avoids the arbitrary distinctions drawn by "assault weapon" bans, which target guns based on functionally unimportant characteristics.
Since the bill does not apply to private transfers, however, adult buyers younger than 21 could still legally obtain semiautomatic rifles. Furthermore, a federal appeals court ruled last month that prohibiting young adults from buying such firearms because a tiny fraction of them might commit violent crimes was inconsistent with the Second Amendment.
Before deciding whether to support policies like these, legislators should rationally weigh their costs and benefits, including their constitutional implications. Biden prefers a different approach, replacing logic and evidence with self-righteous certitude.
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"We need to do something!"
"K, let's nuke Canada!"
Costs: children's bodies and heads being rended by bullets.
Benefits: fewer prairie dogs.
Tony, guns aren’t the problem. If they were, school shootings would have been a big thing decades ago. They weren’t, and guns were more available back then. No, the real culprit is people like you. Leftist democrats. You emasculate schoolboys. Give them no outlet for their aggression, and then subject them to a wide variety of mind altering drugs. Which alter their brain chemistry.
All these things come from your kind. This is the difference, and it is 100% your fault. YOU are to blame. Once your kind are gone, this can all go away.
No more progressives = no more school shootings
Mass shootings don't (not even once) happen at police stations. Why? The shooters are cowards or people looking to murder easily, become known, then die. Give them two potential targets, one with defense, one without, and they will always attack the defenseless. To advertise: "gun free zone" is to attract an attacker. For example, a teacher who thinks concealed carry is best, to avoid warning an attacker, is ignorant. Open carry deters attack. Gun shops openly/proudly practice open carry, thereby making robbery highly improbable. Deterrence is the best defense. Isn't the $Trillion military budget based on this belief? The $Billion police budget? The belief is correct, but ineffectively achieved. The Swiss legally require every family to own, maintain, practice self-defense with firearms. They are not attacked in world wars. Likewise, people who open carry are not mugged; schools who advertise teachers carry are not attacked.
People who choose to self-govern, self-arm, self-protect, are freer, safer, protected best.
I mostly agree - but there are many examples where an armed individual is attacked by thugs with full knowledge of the fact that the individual is armed. In fact, since it was known, that may well have spurred the attack to include the goal of acquisition of the weapon by the thugs.
Now - it also sometimes happens that they fail to get the weapon - some of the time the individual is successful in their defensive tactics.
For reference consider the Active Self Protection network - they regularly display and discuss video of self defense and police involved shootings on their youtube channel.
he's speaking in generalities and you are being Uber specific.
You forgot "and confuse them about even their gender"
Yo play devils advocate, what's the cost of limiting rounds to under 10? Prohibiting a 19 year old from buying a semi auto rifle? Background checks for private sales?
If you have a 5.56 rifle and don't put your target down in 9 shots either you're a terrible shot and shouldn't have a rifle to begin with or you're shooting at robocop. 19 year olds can still hunt. And background checks for all just makes sense. Who wants to sell their gun to a felon?
Every legal sale of a gun requires a background check already.
Only ignorant people say ridiculous things like, "we need background checks." And to your limit on how many shots a person is allowed. What are we to do when a crowd of flaming, imbecilic progtards are trying to burn down our business, rape my daughter, or just plain murder us? I think 30 shots are justified.
A private sale, one where the seller is not in the business of selling firearms, does not require a background check in most states.
Whilst true, do you personally do a check on someone before you sell them a gun? I sold one to a friend's brother, and I checked his criminal record! Didn't really matter, as I found out later he had a CCW, and in our state, that exempts one from further checks.
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Do you check the driving record of people you sell cars to?
"How many car deaths in the US each year?
NHTSA projects that an estimated 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year, a 10.5% increase from the 38,824 fatalities in 2020."
Just the 10% increase is another 4200 deaths per year and everyone is losing their minds over 400 rifle deaths which are mostly suicides.
I'm not saying Guns aren't an area of concern, I'm saying if this is a top priority item for a person they have the critical thinking capabilities of rattan chair.
Same goes for climate change expect people are even dumber on that if you can even imagine.
Why do cops need all of these things?
How come there were no school shootings when I attended school between 1956 and 1971 (kindergarten thru college)?
Go to the link below and find the COMMON DENOMINATOR in this white paper from a group that has been the "Mental Health" Watchdog agency since 1968.
The report is called "Psych Drugs Violence Report". And every principal and PTA president should have a copy of this report which is easy to read and clearly zeros in on "what changed".
https://www.cchrint.org/pdfs/violence-report.pdf
Too much money involved to stop that.
One of the most famous school shootings happened during that time: University of Texas 1966.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-Tower-shooting-of-1966
More than a few people jump off of the Golden Gate Bridge every year. That fact is not widely reported because the local media have been persuaded that publicity yields copycats.
If we could make the national media see the light when it comes to mass shootings we could potentially see fewer of them also. These shooters want to kill themselves. Killing others, and the attendant publicity, gives them a spotlight so that we'll know they existed. Make it a local story. Don't mention their names. Don't publish any of their self-serving rantings or motivations.
30+ years ago we owned these types of guns. We didn't have these mass shootings. What's changed is the internet and the 24 hour news media.
But the Constitution!
The GG bridge has been heavily regulated to prevent jumpers, even if it doesn't prevent them all.
First problem is the difficulty for suicides to learn of the publicity after the fact. Vietnamese monks began setting themselves on fire to protest persecution by South Vietnam's Catholic puppet state. JFK promptly shed his support for that régime, but a way was found to nullify his misgivings, and Ruby's, and Bobby's. So... when was the last time suicide resulted in improved government policies?
Was there a point to that word salad?
They have a net now at the Golden Gate Bridge to deter jumpers.
Yep. Make it 24/7 news, and voila, more mass shootings!
This is EXACTLY the point. We, as a Nation, are in an unprecedented mental health crises. But politicians make bigger 'statements' by espousing more 'gun control' rather than getting to the problem's root cause.
Not mentioning the shooters name and not publishing photos of them, accompanied by their life history, should help, as you noted. Refer to the shooter in the 3rd person or better yet use terms such as 'lowlife', 'psycho' or 'mental case' might help, but depends on the press acting responsibly.
Dear Peter;
"What changed" is absolutely the correct question to ask. How smart of you. Consider this link as regards UVALDE and a large number of school shootings and mass murder situations and the COMMON DENOMINATOR.
It comes from the Mental Health Watchdog agency founded in 1968.
https://www.cchrint.org/2022/05/30/as-nation-reels-from-mass-violence-cchr-calls-for-mandatory-toxicology-tests/
Just as an FYI, New Zealand had already banned magazines for centrefire rifles holding more than 7 rounds long before the 2019 Christchurch mosque massacre. The only exceptions were for a (supposedly) heavily policed sub-group of shooters who had passed a much more extensive set of licensing tests and who had to register with the police every single firearm they owned.
This made zero difference to the Australian wanker as the police never bothered to check what license he had whenever he purchased the 30 round mags he bought even though the store submitted the paperwork. Nor did they follow their own rules when it came to licensing him in the first place.
Relying on the Police to do the legwork that will "make you safe" is a fools errand.
Ever since the Unabomber I've tried to find and read these murderers' manifestoes. In every case the perp turned out to be a religious fanatic, an altruist collectivist, or both. Suppose government schools were to include Objectivist ethics in their curriculum? Kids could discover that a life worth living serves as a standard of value by which to make choices and decisions before acting.
When schools can do a tolerable job of teaching arithmetic, I will consider believing that they can teach philosophy.
Did the LAST 4 GUN CONTROLS prevent this mass shooting???
STUPID -- Doing something over and over and over again and expecting a different result.
Sorry; The only point in disarming citizens is to make them 'weaker' to bigger Power-Mad monopolies of FORCE. (and that includes mass shooters)..
NO. fuck off statists and fuck slow Joe
It doesn't matter if they work or not.
It only matters that they are unconstitutional.
I disagree. If they work, it weakens some of the pragmatic arguments about The Constitution defending people. The fact that they don't work strengthens the pragmatic arguments about The Constitution defending people. If just as many people die with magazine bans as without, then magazine bans aren't a compromise that solves the problem, they're an pointless/unrelated concession.
The opposition doesn't believe The Constitution enshrines the right to own guns. Undecided people are undecided. There is a right decision and they should make it, but it's not required to recognize that magazine bans don't save lives or reduce crime.
Dun restrictions aren't meant to stop mass shootings, they're just to keep pushing toward the goal of banning them altogether. "Compromises" on the issue only go one way. They want to punch you in the face 5 times, you don't want to be punched in the face 5 times, how many times can they punch you in the face? Surely you're willing to compromise, right?
Dun restrictions are just another step towards complete control by the Saxons!
I'll side with Tim Pool's idea to demand repeal of the NFA entirely.
Why not just make murder illegal? That would have prevented 100% of mass shootings.
I like it, but a lot of the new progressive DAs will have a big problem with this approach.
I've often said that since something like 60% of annual gun deaths in the US are suicides. we ought to be able to make a significant dent in that by making it illegal to commit suicide with a firearm, punishable by death.
Only if they use a firing squad.
Just wondering - anyone have any idea of how many of those mass shooters have had some organized training? Thinking boot camp or actual militia type training - not some privatized stuff.
If there's a training camp out there training school shooters, I agree that we should probably shut that shit down.
To be sure.
Compromise!
Mathew McConaughey would be so proud.
That's the summer internship program at the San Francisco DA's office.
We should shutter it. On the flipside, it doesn't require any training to pot shot a bunch of unarmed kids when the pussy cops are out in the hallway listening.
Funny how the Virginia Tech shooting isn't mentioned here. The shooter was undergoing treatment for a mental health issue. By law he should have been added to the background check database. The people treating him didn't have him added because they didn't want to stigmatize him. He should have never been able to purchase the weapons that he used. Nothing was ever done about that. A database is only as good as the data entered into it.
The Sutherland Springs shooting, still the most deadly mass shooting in TX was perpetrated by a domestic abuser who'd been dishonorably discharged but not yet reported to the NICS. A database is only as good as the data entered into it and the data is not reality ("All models are wrong, some are useful").
The background checks clearly don't work. I'm not in favor of any new restrictions, but the NICS should be fixed. The fact that nearly every major shooting is perpetrated by someone who legally purchased their gun is absolute proof that more background checks is not a serious solution.
NICS should be fixed like my last dog was. That's the only "fix" it needs.
It isn't even intended to stop crimes. Look, when somebody who isn't legally permitted to buy guns tries, that itself is a crime. Do they ever prosecute it?
No, they don't.
That's long been my question. If they stop people from illegally buying guns, why no punishment for trying to do so in the first place?
No, if their name is Hunter Biden even if there is video evidence.
I'm eagerly awaiting footage of a cracked out Hunter strafing some water jugs with an MP5 he borrowed from the secret service.
"treatment for a mental health issue" is not disqualifying. Being involuntarily committed or declared incompetent is.
Under Virginia law at the time, it was required that he be added to the list.
""treatment for a mental health issue" is not disqualifying"
Nothing against you flag58. I do find that statement interesting.
Most people with mental health issues are not threats. So, if diagnosed with depression should you have rights curtailed?
And of course you should not. Only if adjudicated a threat to yourself or others, and then only "until further review". I'm not against "Red Flag" laws in general, I'm against how they likely will be implemented.
Many of the shooters have had mental problems that are pre-known. That isn't new either. That is part of militia/reserves training in most countries - is the guy a psycho who no one in the platoon will turn their back to. That is how you would builda real atabase for mental stuff
And there are two kinds of people with "mental problems". A psychologist friend doesn't believe that most of the issue is with the mentally ill. She believes that it's the *mentally broken*, that is, the mis-wired people. They cannot be fixed, and if their miswiring is incompatible with society, we have a problem. (Examples would be pedos and other sex offenders, etc.)
She convinced me, but I sure as hell don't want a "pre-crime bureau".
Let's also talk about how each of these laws would have affected the other 300M+ US residents who did not commit mass shootings. How many otherwise law abiding people would have been denied access to a vital tool of self-defense when they needed it? How much would the total compliance costs have been?
Everyone talking about gun control seems to forget the cost side of the equation. Even if there is some beneficial violence reduction it still might be outweighed by negative factors. And of course there's the intangible effect on individual liberty...
...and the intangible effect on defense from tyranny
When Robert Strange McNamara was SecDef, banning ABMs in defiance of the Second Amendment and risking an extra 30 to 50 million American deaths was, to SecDef, preferable to keeping the Bill of Rights intact and risking disapproval from pro-surrender factions.
I saw a statement that the average number of rounds fired by Police in an incident is over 10 per officer. These are supposed to be people trained in the use of firearms (I know don't laugh). Now they want to limit an untrained person to less than 10 rounds per magazine even when their could be multiple attackers.
Most police requirements for qualification are a joke. I spend far more time on the range, and it isn't for my job. I would be embarrassed to only meet police requirements.
Why would someone intent on murder be slowed down by laws saying they're not supposed to have a gun?
"Oh golly, I might get five years for this illegal gun. Guess I won't go shoot up the school."
5 years on top of the 17 life sentences will be a solid deterrent. Before our state legalized CCW, I heard people talking like it would become the wild west. Apparently, criminals robbing liquor stores and shooting people happens whether or not I can legally carry.
Note for foreign readers: "the" school in American parlance means "the government school."
Gun Free Zone
Gun-Free zones = Killing zones.
Which is why all other civilized countries have similar levels of gun violence. Oh wait no, they don't.
Take suicides and drug related gang violence out of the statistics and we're right on par with the rest of the world.
Why would we take those out of the statistics? Because it's better for your talking points?
Fuck you and your talking points. I want to live in a civilized country, not fucking Afghanistan. You people are a menace. You should be the ones whose lives are ruined, not innocent parents of children.
If you don’t like it here, leave. This is America, not Commie Faggotland. If you stay and keep pushing your commie faggot bullshit, well, things are going to get real fucking bad for you.
It's called excluding outliers.
How are we a menace? I've never killed, shot or even pointed a gun at any person, except in training and it felt weird to point a gun at a person even in training. How am I menace? Because I disagree with giving up rights of the many because of the actions of one individual?
Additionally there are over 5,500 gun laws on the book, which one has worked to stop people from killing other people?
Well, given how many trannies are part of that suicide number, it seems your "tribe" is a problem...
Why don't other countries have similar rates of suicide among young people and similar rates of gang violence?
That's the correct question.
Because other countries don't have so many guns.
Guns are just a tool you valid poof. The suicides and murders are because of you and your fellow travelers.
When you teach children that they are all going to die in ten years from global warming. That they are horrible because they are white and should pay for something that they never did. Tell young black children that they have no chance in society. Try and push your lifestyle choices and make them question the very reality of their gender. Convince them that their parents are bad, and don't know what's best for them. Stear them toward educational decisions that lead to worthless degrees and debt. Refuse to teach them fiscal responsibility. You get confused, angry, and frightened individuals who are more likely to view life with very little value. Ted is correct, it is your fault Tony, Yours and other people like you.
Because in the USA, it's a cultural issue; the groups most affected, blacks and Hispanics, simply don't rat each other out.
Of course these hare-brained proposals won't stop mass shootings, in schools or anywhere else. That's not their purpose. Their goal is to disarm the people bit by bit, using dead kids to justify it.
Israel had one mass shooting in a school, back in the 1970s. There have been two attempts since then, in both of which cases the terrorist was dispatched to hell quite efficiently. Guess how they did it?
-jcr
Yeah, Israel has a fuck around and find out mentality. It's nothing to see a mother walking down the street in Tel Aviv packing an M-4 rifle. Gee, I wonder what may have led the Israeli people to conclude that the best answer to violence is to go armed? Something must have happened in their collective history to convince them that disarming is not the answer.
So America can adopt Israel's gun policies. Agreed. Let's shake on it.
No, America can do what Israel did to stop school massacres. Armed the teachers. Also, Israel has mandatory military service and requires soldiers to carry their weapons, even off duty. That means thousands, tens of thousands of individuals are openly carrying fully automatic weapons on the streets every day. And while they do require licenses, they don't bar people from carrying at churches, bars, schools, government facilities etc. Israel doesn't restrict the weapon, they target the individual who is a criminal. Yeah, they have stricter licensing and training requirements, but most citizens already have that training as a result of mandatory military service. So, yeah let's institute mandatory military training and remove all other weapons restrictions. Israelis can purchase fully automatic rifles and pistols.
Agreed. Let's adopt Israel's gun policies. What could be a more amicable compromise?
You cut your own throat?
So, let's enforce the militia law. All males and females from 17-45 must register for the militia and must own a firearm so they can fulfill their militia duties. That would make us much closer to Israel. Your fat ass would actually have had to serve in the military and be required to carry a gun.
So, since I served in the military I can purchase and carry a fully automatic rifle wherever I want?
I've passed multiple background checks both professionally and to purchase guns.
Technically, we already have Israel's policies, and in a few days, in my state, anyone not DQ'd can carry concealed, no license. I used to open carry before it was cool.
That works because it's a small country with a homogeneous population.
I doubt it would work here.
Maybe, maybe not. I remember when I was a kid Idaho changed it's concealed carry law to make it easier to carry. The Spokesman Review predicted that Idaho would turn into the wild west. Crime in Kootenai county (Coeur d'Alene) dropped by something like 75% after the law went into effect. So, I'm not so sure copying Israel wouldn't have positive benefits. Their response to school shootings was harden schools by locking entrances and making doors more secure and arming teachers. They have almost eliminated school shootings.
Of course the Spokesman printed that. The Cowles family who owns the Spokesman are a bunch of crooked leftist democrats.
Yeah. They always covered the Aryan Nations, all 24 of them in Hayden Lake, but rarely covered the plethora of actual racist crimes on the north side of Spokane in the 1980s and 1990s.
They lie too. They interviewed my brother in law when he was a manager for Egghead Software back in the 90’s. It was at a promotional barbecue the company hosted. They made up details regarding his attire amd invented quotes attributed to him he never said. Just to add flavor to the article.
Not a trustworthy publication.
Explain what you mean by homogenous. I'm terribly curious about this talking point.
America has tens of thousands of excess gun deaths because... diversity?
We don't really. Almost all gun deaths are suicides, which no gun law will stop.
And the number one reason people in rural America don't seek mental health assistance, according to multiple studies, is because they fear they'll lose their rights because people like Tony are advocating for exactly that. So, Tony has the blood of suicide victims on his hands because he stigmatizes gun ownership. So, he doesn't actually care about solving the problem, he only wants everyone to obey his wishes (which he stated clearly below). And he wonders why we call him an authoritarian.
Look, can you stop pretending that preventing these shootings is even a goal of legislation like this? Like they're screwing up, and if you point it out they might do something effective, instead?
They aren't trying to prevent these shootings. They probably wouldn't want to prevent them if they COULD, they need them as an excuse to pass new gun laws!
They're trying to infringe the right to keep and bear arms. That's the goal here, nothing else. It's a right they don't like, and they're trying to abolish it, piecemeal since they can't do it in one fell swoop.
Stop pretending they have any other motive.
Anyone see MacConaughey's speech on gun control yesterday? He tried using every character he ever portrayed.
Maybe he should have rehearsed a bit after being told what to say.
mcconaughey is no friend of the 2a. just look at the stupid things he said yesterday:
1) "America, you and me, we are not as divided as we are being told we are. No." -- wrong, we are 100% divided as i have nothing in common with the marxist, leftists running this country and the 50% supporting them.
2) "We are in a window of opportunity right now that we have not been in before, a window where it seems like real change -- real change can happen." --- translation: we have an opportunity to take away law abiding citizen's rights.
3) "And we need responsible gun ownership -- responsible gun ownership" -- law abiding gun owner are responsible and always have been.
4) "We need background checks. We need to raise the minimum age to purchase an AR-15 rifle to 21. We need a waiting period for those rifles. We need red-flag laws and consequences for those who abuse them." --- all of these ideas are unconstitutional (except the background checks that we already have). read what this fool said. he's one of the low iq leftists who want to take away liberties from law abiding americans.
his response was nothing more than a low iq emotional response. no actual thought was applied.
I've noticed that recently gun control has been rebranded as gun responsibility. McConaughey used that and my wife's aunt used it too yesterday. Someone must have poll tested it. Gun owners are usually pretty responsible and value responsibility, so it actually isn't a bad rebranding, but it means the same shit, punishing innocent people for the behavior of an extremely small minority of criminals.
Gun safety is a Frank Luntz' suggestion.
And why be emotional about children being ripped apart?
Yeah emotions should always be how we dictate rights. I mean you also support censorship, if it hurts someone's feelings, so at least you're being consistent. A consistent authoritarian, but consistent.
Yes, I'm authoritarian because I think societies should do some measure of work to prevent children from being decapitated by gunfire.
You, however, love seeing children being turned into goo because you're super serious and rational.
Wow, what a stupid response. You're authoritarian because you want to punish legal gun owners by restricting their rights because someone abused those rights. Collective punishment and infringement of rights is the definition of authoritarian.
I don't think people should have a right to own guns. Because of all the dead children. The end.
Or the right to self defense or the right to speech you disagree with, or the right to private property, etc. Luckily, your thoughts on rights don't matter.
How many children's heads have to be turned to pulp before you have enough rights? Give a number.
Which other rights will you take away from innocent people to punish criminals?
Tony, their deaths are because of the things and people you support. Guns are incidental, just tools. Why don’t you address that?
Nah, you’re too much of a weak, bloviating coward. You just want the guns, and you don’t give two shits about any children. They’re just props to you.
Perverts use cell phones to make child porn and lure children into molestation. Why no emotional knee-jerk legislation to prohibit all cell phones with cameras or texting? If it stops just one rape, its worth it, right.
You sound like the kind of person I need to defend my children from.
I hate children. I never want to be around children.
I still think it's an abomination that children are routinely obliterated because we have no gun regulation.
They aren't routinely obliterated. God, nothing you've said is close to being remotely factual.
Tony, they’re obliterated, because of you and your friends.
Ah, I see soldiermedic. You're perfectly happy with the number of children mutilated and killed by gunfire in the United States. The status quo is A-Ok to you.
I disagree that we have the appropriate amount of dead children.
" ... because we have no gun regulation. ... "
There are over 5000 gun regulations in this country - liberals are terrible at math and reality. 5000 is way more than none!!
You don't think people should have guns so you can force your will upon them. The only truthful thing you have said thus far is that you are an authoritarian.
then you hate this country and our constitution. that constitution says we have right from our creator and one of them is the right to own firearms. maybe you should leave and live somewhere with no guns.
Yes, I'm authoritarian because I think societies should do some measure of work to prevent children from being decapitated by gunfire.
It's been shown over and over that the overwhelming majority of school shootings were unpredictable events carried out by people who would not have been stopped by any of the proposed legislation.
So if legislation isn't the answer, why do you want more of it?
Entire classrooms of children aren't slaughtered in other civilized countries.
Yes they are. And school rooms full of children are extremely rare even in the US. You want to punish 80-100 million law abiding citizens for a rare action of people who already are breaking laws already on the books. Period.
It's just about you having morality.
So, it's moral in your opinion to punish innocent people for a crime they didn't commit?
I don't want to punish anyone, I just want to prevent the pulpification of children.
Taking away rights and property is punishment. Read the 4th and 5th amendments.
Wrong. Please stop repeating that lie.
Oh, okay, so please link me to the evidence of the mass slaughtering of children in other countries, and for bonus points, explain what's so great about freedom in those countries.
Just google school shootings around the world. They happen.
I don't trust the statistics though because while figures don't lie, liars figure. When different countries use different definitions, then any comparison is meaningless.
The second part of your sentence made no sense.
How interesting that you're so independent-minded yet so in favor of the status quo. I must explore more what being a libertarian is all about.
From where I sit it looks like being a pathetic stooge of arms dealers.
Actually we don't want the status quo. We want a return to shall not be infringed. The status quo, ie banning teachers and parents from the right to protect themselves and others is getting kids killed. Why do you want kids killed with your bans on allowing teachers to carry?
If you want to save children’s lives, kill yourself. This is all your fault. You and your fellow travelers.
"Yes, I'm authoritarian because I think societies should do some measure of work to prevent children from being decapitated by gunfire."
But to be decapitated in an abortion is peachy...
Well, you get pissy when we mention abortion....
Nevermind that the zero collective shootings rate for private schools suggests that privatizing government schools is the common sense way to eliminate school shooting deaths. The latest tragedy in Berlin ought to remind everyone that automobiles kill 60% more Americans than guns. And car ownership isn't even in the Bill of Rights. Looters assure us that banning stuff is due process of law. Banning automobiles could prevent evacuations, and thus make preemptive surrender even more palatable than simply banning the ABM and SDI systems protected by the Second Amendment.
On a Facebook discussion, someone put up "I reject the assertion that working to limit the amount of weapons that can kill dozens of people in minutes means you can no longer defend your family."
My response was: "you can kill dozens of people in minutes with a double barreled shotgun if no one tries to stop you. Especially when they are small and defenseless and packed into a small space. Heck a pair of 1870s six shooters can kill a dozen people in a few seconds, too.
By that definition it would limit almost all weapons except muzzleloaders. Even a musket generally took 10-20 seconds to reload.
How about we stop formulating policy around the sociopathic murderous intent of cousin-fucking rubes?
Enough about your parents, what policy would stop school shootings? Be specific.
Throwing people in prison for owning guns.
That's never going to happen, so it's not worth considering.
We'll just do a gun buyback, and anyone who cares more about guns than money will be put on a watch list. Simple.
Again, it isn't going to happen. And that watch list will be pretty empty since nobody has that information.
So, you want to punish people for not selling property. And you wonder why people call you an authoritarian.
Believing in laws is not the same as being an authoritarian.
Authoritarian is installing a painted goober as dictator because he can't emotionally handle losing an election.
It is when you use the law to punish people for crimes they didn't commit. Also, the Constitution is the law.
You can’t ‘buy back’ what you ever owned. If you don’t like the 2A, get it repealed. It wouldn’t matter anyway, democrats manufacture these murdering psychos. Guns are irrelevant to the problem. Instead of shootings, we will have bombings, stabbing, IED’s, poisonings, etc..
YOU are the problem Tony, not guns.
If we rubes were actually dangerous, our murder rate would be a ton higher. Sixty-four percent of Montana adults own a gun, and we have an extremely low murder rate (but high suicide, by any means not just guns). If gun owners were the problem, Billings would have a higher murder rate than Chicago.
Gun possessers are literally always the problem. You know your talking points are vile and duplicitous. You claim, with the same face, that guns are both harmless and necessary for self-defense.
Guns are harmless. How are gun possessors the problem, if almost all gun crimes are committed with illegal guns? 100 million private gun owners (taking the average of the range 80-120 million) 99.99999% will never commit a crime. How are they the problem again? Oh because they don't want to give up their rights or property without a conviction, because a single person broke multiple laws. You do know that gun control laws have always impacted minorities the most, and their original purpose was to deny blacks the right to protect themselves, don't you?
If guns are harmless, then it's harmless to do away with them.
If they are harmful, why does 99.99999% of legal gun owners never cause any harm to others?
If they are harmless why would you ban them in the first place?
You are one stupid faggot Tony.
Because I wish it.
So, you don't have an actual argument just that you want everyone to have to obey your wishes. That's why we call you an authoritarian.
Tony is too afraid to address my accusations of his culpability here. As usual. I know he’s afraid of me.
I hate to repeat a cliché, but guns aren't the problem. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
A gun in the hands of a normal, law abiding citizen with no murderous intent is indeed completely harmless (to other law abiding citizens with no murderous intent). It only becomes dangerous when used for legal self defense.
Ah, so America has an inexplicable mental health disparity compared to other countries. Link?
No, US suicide rate is not that different from other western countries. The method is all that differs.
Which is also incidental. It’s not like the lack of a gun is going to stop anyone. A bottle of oills can do the same thing. Or Drano, as I have frequently encouraged Tony to ingest.
Yeah, most suicides are planned well in advance, very few are spur of the moment actions, contrary to common myth. People usually prepare for their suicides, so if you take away one method, they'll just use a different method. The best thing to reduce suicides is educating people to see the signs and how to intervene. QPR, Question, persuade, refer. I've done the training five times (both QPR and mental health training) for my previous employment and for service on a veterans committee I'm president of. I think all teachers should have to take it, and recommend all parents take it. Also, everyone should have the suicide hotline on speed dial, so you have it when you need it.
Yeah, and you are the big shining example of it.
It's actually been explained to you several times. The explanation is Cultural Marxism and other collectivist dogmas clashing with the American notion of individual liberty. It drives some people crazy to think that freedom means unequal results, and the underperformers commit these atrocities as a desperate ego trip to compensate. The solution is to reinforce personal responsibility as a cultural norm, especially in the tough situations when life leaves one feeling aggrieved.
You are too stupid to know this, but you're basically quoting Mein Kampf verbatim.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to provide a citation that supports that position, especially as you advocate for the government to disarm every citizen. Are the crossed neurons in your brain the precursor to a stroke or the aftereffect?
Gun possessers are literally always the problem.
What's your next guess, pinhead?
At least a million times a year in these United States, armed citizens are the solution. Google "defensive gun use", you craven scumbag.
-jcr
The solution to what? You have tiny penises yet rant about transexual surgery. Just pick a lane already.
You’re a raving communist. Just commit suicide already.
Does communism accept the random mass slaughter of children because we're too stupid to think beyond the lazy talking points of arms dealers?
I will endorse literally any system other than that.
Yeah, you're talking points are stupid and fact free. And communism did ban private gun ownership and still had high gun crimes. It's almost like banning legal gun owners doesn't stop gun crimes.
So an entire classroom full of children being turned into bloody goo is something that regularly happens in the civilized world and there's nothing to do about it?
I hope you don't have any requests from your society, because fuck them.
It doesn't regularly happen anywhere like you've been told multiple times. It's a rare tragedy that you are using to justify banning private property you disagree with. Taking away rights you disagree with.
Tony, your fellow travelers created and administered the policies that turned these people into mass murderers. It’s your fault.
By your logic, we should disband the democrat party and criminalize the practice of Marxism. Can we shake on THAT?
Are you drunk already, so early in the day? I don't think I've ever even mentioned sex change surgery, much less ranted about it.
-jcr
The only reason to own a gun is because you are insecure about your tiny penis.
Yeah, that's it. All those female gun owners have penis envy. Can you be more misogynistic?
Females tend not to have penises at all.
Whoosh point going over your head. Yeah you have a 165 IQ, it sure shows in that response
And lots of women own guns Tony so what's your point. And what's with all the penis talk? Facts getting in the way? People like you are disgusting in the way you will literally try to use a tragic event to push an agenda. If people don't agree then it's time to hide behind the victims. Progressivism is the real culprit in all of this. Scroll up to see a list of your failures when it come to education.
I notice you rarely ever actually say how punishing 100 million citizens for the actions of one person will actually stop gun crime. How do you stop criminals from smuggling guns into the US? Have we stopped drugs? How do you stop machinests from making guns illegally? Since you can't answer that, your solution to punish people who haven't committed any crimes, with no real hope of stopping the actual criminals. You said above you don't think people should own guns, so you're just using emotionally charged tragedies to achieve your goals. We all realize that that is what you're doing. It isn't anything to do with actually stopping criminals, it's about taking away rights and property because you disagree with those rights.
Who's being punished? Are literally the entire populace of the rest of the planet being punished because they cannot own an arsenal?
The line has to be drawn somewhere, unless you think it's cool if your retarded neighbor can own a nuclear weapon. Let's just draw the line wherever necessary to prevent the pulpification of school children. How about.
You are proposing banning private property and taking property away from people who've never been convicted of a crime. That is punishment and unconstitutional, even without the 2A.
Oh well. At least children aren't being ripped apart by bullets. Sorry about your important rights or whatever.
really? i have a literal safe full of guns. i've never murdered anyone. not one of my guns has crawled out of the safe and killed a single person. i ccw everywhere, every day. everyone of my friends & family also own many guns. none of them are criminal murderers. no, guns are never the problem -- people are. the evil will always find a way to terrorize and kill others. the actual solution is to abolish the gun free zones and allow constitutional carry nationally. more useless gun laws will do nothing good.
We regulate pork more than we regulate guns. I'm sorry about your small penis.
your lack of intelligence is astounding
Let's do some Fermi calculations here.
100 mass shooting incidents with 10 victims per incident equals 1000 victims, spread over 20 years equals 50 victims per year.
How does this rank in terms of annual deaths by trauma?
Skiing, 40.
Drowning in a bathtub, 100.
Falling off ladders, 300.
Choking, 3000.
Poisoning (at home), 70,000.
Falling down stairs, 12,000.
Which something should we do?
Republicans cum to the unidentifiable corpses of children. Vote Republican if you like dead children.
Wow, did it take you all morning to come up with that puerile pile of shit?
Tell me more about how children must be slaughtered by the dozens because of the inescapable problem of prairie dogs.
Tell me more about how you want to take rights away from innocent citizens because one asshole decided to break the law. Murder is already illegal. Didn't stop him, did it? But you are so magnanimous volunteering to take away my rights, because of someone else's criminal behavior. Not only does that violate the 2A but also the 4th and 5th. The government can't take away your liberty or property without a conviction. Your appeal to emotion is the reaction of someone who can't argue the point logically so resorts to infantile emotionalism. Accusing innocent people of defending their rights by dancing on the graves of murdered kids is not the acts of a well balanced individual. Accusing innocent people of liking murder because they defend their rights is pretty fucking authoritarian. You want to punish all 80-100 million gun owners because one person abused their rights. That is authoritarianism on steroids. You want to take away property without a conviction because you falsely believe it will save kids. But it won't. So, you are willing to take away the 2, 4, and 5 amendments. Which other rights are you willing to sacrifice for others?
When you have to appeal to emotion and use loaded language such as Republicans like dead kids, you are admitting you don't have a valid argument.
I'm sorry I'm not expressing myself in cold, unemotional terms when it comes to children who are so dead they can't be identified.
Your politics killed those children. Your politics are unthinking puppetry for arms dealers. You're a terrible person, and I think you should reckon with that fact.
You're calling for punishing people who never committed nor will ever commit a crime because of a rare tragedy and using emotions rather than any evidence that your position will actually help. Is murder illegal or not? Do murder laws stop murder or not? 100 million or so gun owners, 400 million guns owned. So why do we only have a murder rate of 10,000 per year, almost exclusively conducted with illegal firearms, if legal gun owners are the problem?
I'm not calling for punishing anyone. Just banning guns.
It's not going to happen. Try something realistic.
If realism is the acceptance of the regular butchering of children in large numbers, then fuck realism. You're on a fucking libertarian website. All of a sudden realism matters?
It's not regular. It's incredibly rare if you look at the actual numbers.
That doesn't make it good or right. What it means is that any policy attempting to stop some super-rare event will cause a lot of harm, and likely no good.
Rare compared to all the other heads exploded by guns in America.
Most are suicide. That's a suicide problem, not a gun problem.
So America has a suicide problem relative to every other country. I wonder what sucks so much about living in America.
No, we have a similar suicide rate to comparable countries. The means of suicide just differ.
You Tony. It is you that sucks so much. Take some responsibility and just admit that progressive ideology is the cause of many of these twisted individuals coming out of our schools. We had easier access to guns in the past with much less incident. So, what has changed? Could it be the infiltration of progressivism into the school system?
You know the number one reason people don't seek care for depression and suicidal tendencies in rural America? Because they're afraid that people like Tony will take away their rights if they do. So, it's the stigmatization by gun control advocates that contributes greatly to the suicide rate. The best thing to reduce suicides is encouraging people to get help. If they're afraid getting help will result in punishment, they won't get help. So, Tony and his ilk are at least partially responsible for our suicide rates.
If they're afraid getting help will result in punishment, they won't get help.
That's why so many people don't ask for help. They don't want to have the police waiting for them in the parking lot. That's what will happen if you express the wrong thoughts.
People pushing for red flag laws will only make it worse.
Tony has no real argument, so he starts his raving. Take that faggoty shit to WaPo.
Ted is literally the gayest name I know.
So? What does his sexuality have to do with the fact that you haven't presented anything but baseless emotions and myths to push to take away rights you disagree with? Or his penis size for that matter? It's pretty fucking puerile, your arguments. And you claim to have a 165 IQ. That's as false as your talking points.
His IQ. was rate in kilometers.
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So Tony is a homophobe now….. a self hating Marxist poof.
Wow, that is some unassailable logic, there. Ban 'em, baby! Ban 'em all!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile Democrats stack the dead bodies up like cordwood so they can stand on top of the corpses and clamor more gun control.
We don't want to control guns for shits and giggles you ridiculous moron. It's to prevent the further mass murder of children.
The senseless butchering of children is a bad thing, in case FOX News has you confused.
How will more laws help?
I mean the law against murder sure stopped these kinds of tragedies.
You know, murder is already....
DO SOMETHING!
With few exceptions gun used by school shooters were purchased....
DO SOMETHING!
None of the proposed legislation would have stopped....
DO SOMETHING!
Ok, I get it. You want something to be done. Do you have any ideas that would actually...
DO SOMETHING!
DO SOMETHING!
DO SOMETHING!
WHY DO YOU HATE THE CHILDREN!!!!!!
Yeah pretty much this. It's telling that Tony went straight to appeals to emotions.
So why don't these mass slaughters occur in other countries?
Go on, rationalize.
The do happen, actually.
That's a myth, other countries with strict gun control laws still have mass murders. Also, if you somehow banned all gun ownership and everyone gave up their guns, do you think that that would stop criminals from smuggling guns in across the southern border? Has it worked with drugs?
I'm sure you feel edified by your rationalizations of the routine slaughter of children.
Where I'm from, that's actually the worst thing imaginable, but you're not a smart person, and you've allowed right-wing media to pickle your brain. I'm terribly sorry for what they've done to you.
Routine?
Tony, we’re all smarter than you here. You’re a dullard. What is your IQ, maybe 90-95? And don’t you take some worthless sociology degree? You’re just a raving faggot commie that turns to bitchy, empty headed snark when your lame, hackneyed arguments are destroyed in front of you.
And again, every bit of this is your fault. Democrats really are to blame.
I tested around 165, but I think IQ is not a real thing.
Have you considered that snark is all I think you deserve?
You didn't test around 165. Your arguments bely any evidence of high intellect. You always appeal to emotion. Geniuses rarely use emotional arguments. Geniuses tend to score lower in empathy and tend to disregard emotions.
Facts don't care about your feelings!
In other news, I think gender is a deontological fact because of the quivering in my taint.
Since you haven't offered any facts only emotions and insults, I think you actually meant that reply for yourself.
Tony, even I didn’t test that high, and I’m markedly more intelligent than you. You’re maybe average. You have no real arguments. You just rave nonsensically. You certainly won’t dare to make any attempt to refute anything I have to say.
You’re weak, gutless, stupid, narcissistic and sociopathic. You don’t care about anyone other than yourself. It’s unlikely you’re capable of any genuine empathy. This whole thing is your ghoulish effort to push gun confiscation or an equivalent policy. Not to save any children, but to leave good Americans unable to protect themselves against your fellow travelers totalitarian machinations.
You are the enemy within.
Waitaminnit... Izzis Tony or that mystical redneck whose mom regrets not having ended that pregnancy; the one who calls libertarians baby-killers and thinks prohibition is freedom? The distinctions are getting blurry...
"Anders Brevik"
Look up who he was, you lying maggot.
-jcr
Does he cancel out the hundreds of mass shooters from America or what?
No. Cleansing America of democrat policies will do that.
Democrat policies like social security and medicare?
Please. Run against that.
Yeah, the two biggest and most debt ridden government programs with the highest rates of fraud.
By all means, run a political campaign on abolishing SS and medicare.
It would solve more problems than banning guns would.
Starting with dropping the defecit and debt by about 60% and reducing taxes on the poorest Americans significantly.
Tony, you bring SS and Medicare into the conversation because you know I’m crushing you right now. It’s a diversion. The policies I’m question relate to education policies in primary education and the stranglehold the left has in this area. Which has lead to the oppression of healthy young boys and their unnecessary and overmedication pushed by leftist teachers and administrators. Thus creating an outlier class of juvenile psychopaths where none existed before.
This is why the problem didn’t exist back in the old days, where kids had even greater access to firearms than they do now. So this is your fault as a member of the democrat hive mind, and not gun policy.
Huh? Take a look at Nigeria, day before yesterday. In Berlin cars are the new weapon, and in Merrie Olde, saracen berserkers gleefully stab people to death with no fear of stopping a bullet. Germany banned Jews from having guns, and communo-fascist-socialists never mention how well THAT turned out. Everywhere but America and Switzerland gubmint thugs freely murder crowds of people, no questions asked or answers given.
"So why don't these mass slaughters occur in other countries?
Go on, rationalize."
Likely why the US does not have much of a history of actual imperialism or dictatorial regimes that slaughter thousands...
We ban weapons.
You trust the police to be the only people with guns?
Nope, but I sure as fuck don't trust cousin-fucking rubes with unregulated arsenals either.
You should stop talking about your parents like that.
Oh, and how many hick arsenals are used in school shootings? (I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with "Nero")
If those of us legal gun owners were actually the threat you try to portray us as, the murder rate would be a whole lot higher than it is. 80-120 million legal gun owners in the US, 400 million plus legally owned guns. Murders about 10,000 a year. 95%+ of all murders done with illegally obtained firearms. Looking at the statistics makes it abundantly clear that legal gun owners aren't the problem, yet it's them you want to punish.
The unchecked availability of guns is the problem.
So if guns are illegal then nobody will be able to get them. Just like nobody can get illegal drugs. The guns will just disappear. Just like illegal drugs. Because the law says so. Is that how it works?
So you want to do literally nothing about mass shootings in America. You think America is just fine the way it is.
Good. Never complain to me about anything ever again, if things are so great.
So you want to do literally nothing about mass shootings in America. You think America is just fine the way it is.
I didn't say that. I just disagree with the reasons for the shootings and what can be done to prevent them.
For starters I'd get rid of these "gun free zones." To a mass shooter that means "target rich environment." They know no one will shoot back.
Does that mean everyone should have a gun? I didn't say that.
What it does mean is that a potential shooter can no longer be certain that he's surrounded by helpless, unarmed victims.
Now the school isn't so appealing. Someone might have a gun. A teacher or principle or parent, who knows? So he chooses somewhere else.
You're so stupid it makes my shoulders hurt.
So gun-free zones are the problem. So obviously we need to allow open-carry guns on planes. Why not? Explain why not.
Most mass shootings (and all school shootings) in the US happen in gun free zones. That's a fact, Jack.
As far as airplanes go, I say let the airline make the rules.
Remember Tony:
Gun Free Zone = Target Rich Environment
That's why most shootings happen in gun free zones.
You are the one calling for laws that won't stop criminals but will punish law abiding citizens, for feels, and you call Sarc stupid?
So your logic is that any random plane passenger should be allowed to carry a loaded gun on the plane, without any regulation whatsoever.
I'm glad we've come to this understanding.
If someone can explain the virtues of "gun free zones," please clue me in.
Pros: makes people feel safe
Cons: gets people killed
I'm just not seeing it.
I'm not chasing the red herring, Tony.
Also, quit drugging kids, and let boys be boys. That’s the real problem. Sick fucking democrat ‘educators’ turning little boys into violent psychopaths.
Why shouldn't they? Did banning guns on planes stop 9/11? Or the shoe bomber? Oh what did we do after 9/11? Give pilots guns, lock the door to the cockpit and place armed guards on planes. Seems to stop hijacking the answer was to put guns on planes.
No Tony. We do want to do something about mass shootings. We want to get to the cause instead of the symptom. The causes are the very things you promote.
"So you want to do literally nothing about mass shootings in America. You think America is just fine the way it is."
Not shocked to see Tony is part of the "DO SOMETHING" crowd. Banning homosexuality would be about as effective.
Nope. I sure as fuck don’t trust retarded Marxist assholes to decide what my rights are, which is EXACTLY why we have 2A.
Nixon banned U.S. ABMs... for a while.
Tony does well when fencing with girl-bullying redneck fascist infiltrators, less so when trying to shorten the Bill of Rights. It is true that fascists have since 1972 adopted some external LP coloration. This flattery is as close to sincere as looters get, and there is no shortage of them sneaking into the commentariat to meow after Trump. Unlike Orwell, Tony sees mixed-economy statists and totalitarians as different. But trying to sell that fish here is a waste of potentially useful talent.
Spare us your depraved fantasies and go party at Ed Buck's house, you demented cretin.
-jcr
I've been molested by bigger men than you, Picard.
Interesting glimpse into your twisted psyche there. What kind of nutjob brags about being molested?
-jcr
Yes, I’m sure you’ve bottomed for some really hung dudes.
Maybe these four (and all other) gun laws are not really about preventing mass shootings, as they claim.
Tony as much as said that above when he said it doesn't matter he just doesn't want anyone to be able to own guns because he doesn't like guns.
He also said it doesn't matter if gun laws work because he wishes guns were banned.
In other breaking news, a man was arrested today attempting to break into Kavanaugh's house with the intent to kill him because of abortion and gun rights. Seems maybe banning progressive speech is warranted if it saves just one life, amiright?
Swiss gun laws run to 44pp, all color-coded with pictures and arrows--even guides to other Euroregs. It turns out that possessing any gun is plain illegal in Albania, Algeria, Sri Lanka, Kosovo, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia and Turkey. Oddly enough, all of these countries have history as opium farms, and most were embroiled in the Balkan Wars that started when China made prohibition stick in 1911 and segued into WW1.
Mass shootings don't happen at police stations. Why? The shooters are cowards or people looking to murder easily, become known, then die. Give them two potential targets, one with defense, one without, and they will always attack the defenseless. To advertise: "gun free zone" is to attract an attacker. For example, a teacher who thinks concealed carry is best, to avoid warning an attacker, is ignorant. Open carry deters attack. Gun shops openly/proudly practice open carry, thereby making robbery highly improbable. Deterrence is the best defense. Isn't the $Trillion military budget based on this belief? The $Billion police budget? The belief is correct, but ineffectively achieved. The Swiss legally require every family to own, maintain, practice self-defense with firearms. They are not attacked in world wars. Likewise, people who open carry are not mugged; schools who advertise teachers carry are not attacked.
People who choose to self-govern, self-arm, self-protect, are freer, safer, protected best.
IF, you could ban guns to prevent mass shootings you would still have to deal with mass killings. People who want to kill will just switch weapons. Guns are not weapons of mass destruction however bombs are and it's pretty easy to make a bomb. Out of all things to try, banning guns is the least effective choice since a gun is just a weapon, incapable of self volition. democrats always miss the boat because all they ever do is 'grand stand'. It is the person who wields the weapon that you have to be concerned with. Be careful not to alienate law abiding citizens in your rush to fix a problem while making things worse.
I have the perfect solution to this problem which will solve another problem as well: Switch to vouchers.
Since government schools demonstratably suck AND there are mass shootings there, switch to vouchers and all the public schools will close since they suck and no more shootings at publics schools.
It's fucking brilliant really.