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MSNBC's Joy Reid Claims Elon Musk 'Misses' Apartheid-Era South Africa

If Musk was so fond for South Africa's segregationist policies, why did he refuse military conscription and jump ship to Canada as a teen?

Liz Wolfe | 4.27.2022 2:40 PM

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On Tuesday night, MSNBC anchor Joy Reid implied that SpaceX/Tesla founder Elon Musk, who's in the process of purchasing Twitter, wants to own the social media site to restore the white supremacy of Apartheid-era South Africa.

In Reid's telling, right-wingers on Twitter have "been described as being on the outside of the culture looking in through the glass. But they don't just want to come in. They want to come in and be able to punch people in the face and walk around and laugh about it and then not have anyone to stop them."

"The enjoyment they get out of being in this 'town square' is being able to harass people, being able to attack people…Elon Musk, I guess he misses the old South Africa in the '80s, I guess he wants that back," offered Reid.

Reid wasn't the only one hinting, or outright declaring, that Musk has racist motivations. She was joined by discredited Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King, who said Musk's actions were "about white power" and that he "was raised in Apartheid by a white nationalist."

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1518576839777734657?s=20&t=7p0IuTozsWQ0BjdEm_qt-Q

This is false on multiple counts. Musk was born in Pretoria, South Africa, in 1971. His parents divorced when he was a child, and Musk lived with his father Errol, an engineer who amassed a large fortune, for several years. Musk moved to Canada in 1988 when he was 17. He and his father became estranged later on, though Musk said in 2019 that Errol contributed "10% of a ~$200k angel funding round" to Zip2, one of Musk's early business ventures.*

The oft-repeated claim that Elon Musk is a racist or an Apartheid supporter likely originates from the Errol's claim that he owned a Zambian emerald mine in the 1980s. Many people have since used Errol's claim to argue that the family must have profited from Apartheid, with some detractors alleging that this fortune was then funneled to Elon and used by him at the start of his career.

But this story doesn't hold up. Errol, who has been embroiled in salacious scandals and whose own family members say is unreliable, claims he owned a stake in an emerald mine in Zambia in the '80s, after the Musk parents divorced. The mine was in Zambia, not South Africa, and we have no evidence that whatever profits the mine produced actually was given to Elon in the late '90s as angel funding. Nor do we have any evidence that Musk was fond of South Africa's terrible segregationist policies, which all white South Africans benefited from, regardless of whether they supported them. Toward the end of the '80s, Elon jumped ship to Canada in order to avoid mandatory military service in South Africa. "Spending two years suppressing black people didn't seem like a great use of time," he said in an interview later*. He received a university scholarship and worked various menial jobs at farms and lumber mills—odd behavior for someone who was purportedly privy to his father's fortune.

Elsewhere, writers like Elie Mystal, The Nation's justice correspondent, have dubiously suggested that Musk has a "history of racial animus" that could threaten the safety of black journalists, sources, and activists.

To me, the principle danger in the new Twitter overlord is that an impulsive, bad faith actor with a history of racial animus now owns messages to and from Black people that were intended to be private or quasi private.

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) April 26, 2022

But even if your whiteness protects you, it won't protect me. Or my sources. I have to assume that anything I DM or is DM'd to me could now be "leaked" or "hacked" or "whoopsie'd" to Stone or Breitbart or Newsmax or Mediaite or any white wing actor or organization looking for it.

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) April 26, 2022

"History of racial animus" is a weird way to describe a draft dodger who specifically left his native country at least in part because he did not want to take part in the government's efforts to oppress black South Africans.

Very few of these talking heads have even mentioned that black employees at Tesla are suing the company on the grounds that Tesla was filled with "rampant racism" that went "unchecked for years." That omission is pretty striking—there's a brand new lawsuit they could reference, as opposed to conjecture based on wild claims of ancient grandeur by Musk's estranged father.

Perhaps that's because pegging their case against Musk to allegations of bad labor practices at a company with 70,000 employees isn't quite as eye-catching as claiming that a white South African immigrant born under Apartheid is hatching plans to further or worsen racial discrimination. Discussing conditions would require separating Musk's personal animus (or lack thereof) from his awareness of factory culture as CEO of Tesla.

The media class, as evidenced by the above clips and tweets, seems more preoccupied with the idea that Musk is a racist who wants to empower whites and subjugate minorities. These are incredibly serious allegations for which they offer no proof, recycling false or suspect claims with no additional reporting that might corroborate stories about Musk's family, fortune, or beliefs.

All these attempts to paint Musk as the new capo of the coming race war say more about Musk's media critics than they do about the man himself. Journalists at major outlets and networks, who ought to have some fidelity to truth, are more interested in tarring perceived ideological enemies than soberly critiquing what their political adversaries have gotten wrong.

*Correction: This article has been updated to reflect the amount of money Errol Musk invested in Zip2, and to clarify a quote Elon Musk gave about his reasons for avoiding conscription in South Africa. 

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  1. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    Joy Reid is an embarrassment to her race. The human race.

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      She's a strong beautiful Black woman. Like Stacey Abrams.

      #BlackGirlMagic

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        Are you calling her fat? Not cool.

    2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

      Looks like Sunny Hostin from the View joined the race card party. So much gnashing from the Libtards.

      https://nypost.com/2022/04/26/the-views-sunny-hostin-says-elon-musk-bought-twitter-for-straight-white-men/

    3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      ^^ true

  2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Joy Reid isn't stupid. She just assumes part of her audience is. I guarantee she knows her status as an obedient, establishment Democrat mouthpiece puts her on the same side as billionaires. Especially tech billionaires.

    This anti-Musk ranting is just one more example of Democrats manipulating their lowest-info voters into believing the party still represents the middle and lower classes.

    #OBLsFirstLaw
    #BillionairesForBiden

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      #TrillionairesForBidenflation.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Branching into straight commentary now?

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Liberal insanity just caught up with parody.

  3. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

    Reid, king, and mystal are ignorant and racist, so the fact that they are ascribing their traits to others is little surprise. What is a surprise is that anyone puts up with their bullshit.

  4. Mr. Bumble   3 years ago

    Dis-information?

  5. Mr. Bumble   3 years ago

    Why do Black Democrats hate successful African-Americans?

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      Why do Black Democrats hate successful African-Americans independent thinkers?

  6. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

    It is telling when the Left attacks someone and immediately throw out the race card.

    The LA Times called Larry Elder is the "black face of white supremacy".

    These fuckers are shameless.

    1. R Mac   3 years ago

      When Elder was running for office, a white liberal woman wearing a monkey mask threw eggs at him. How anyone doesn’t realize who the real racists are at this point is astonishing.

    2. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      It is like the Russians threatening nuclear war, it is apparently all they have to bully others with.

  7. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Let's see.
    He's rich.
    He's white.
    He's a capitalist.
    He supports antiquated notions like "free speech" which rich, white, slaveowners supported back when the country was founded by rich, white slaveowners. I bet he supports the 2A as well.
    Aaaand he's from South Africa which is even worse than being from the American South.
    Oh, and he's rich.

    That's like a hundred strikes against him. Yep. He's racist. Prove he's not.

    1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      He is more African than Joyless Reid?

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        He's an African-American. Charlize Theron is an African-American. Joy Reid is black.

  8. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    Has anyone ever attempted to quantify how bad the tendency to ascribe racism to just about everything has been for dealing with real actual racism?

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      I don't know about that, but ascribing racist motives to bad cops completely destroyed any hopes of real reform and accountability in law enforcement

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        I remember early on during George Floyd I felt like the conversation was moving towards discussion of real actual problems in policing.
        Then it was hijacked by racism as the sole and only meaningful factor.
        Was sad to see.

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          Yep. Body cams, QI reform, even police unions themselves were on the table!

          Then BLM set the progress back decades, at least.

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Not an accident.

        2. Outlaw Josey Wales   3 years ago

          That Grift paid well. A solution wouldn't.

        3. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          I think racial division has gotten substantial worse in the past decade. We've become a more racist country since the late 2000s because people can't stop playing the race card, and it's making people more resentful. The flashpoint was the Michael Brown shooting, when we kept seeing pictures of this innocent 12 year old who was gunned down in the street with his hands up by a white cop trying to purge the black population.

      2. Zeb   3 years ago

        Yeah, that was really sad. People across the political spectrum were entertaining real reforms and the race hustlers destroyed any chance of that happening.

        1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

          If people think progress is being made, it really gets harder to grift.

    2. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

      Unsurprisingly, we're seeing a lot of people driven to race-centric attacks because they have been convinced whitey is out to get them all the time.

      1. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Unsurprisingly, we're seeing a lot of people driven to race-centric attacks because they have been convinced whitey is out to get them all the time. it pays well.

    3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      No, that would be racist.

  9. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    1. Nothing that happens on MSNBC is worthy of reporting.
    2. Joy Reid is a racist.
    3. The democrat reaction to free speech clearly shows their fascism.

  10. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

    I'll guess Joy Reid's parents were slaves somewhere along the line, imported as ordinary merchant goods. Would she rather her ancestors had never been brought over? Has she ... profited ... from slavery 200 years ago?

    Many people have since used Errol's claim to argue that the family must have profited from Apartheid

    I can stretch this nonsense more than Joy Reid. I just have better things to do; my job does not depend on being an idiot.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      That's a good point. If all the white people living today are reaping the benefits of slavery, then so are all teh black people alive today. It's not as if you can separate wealth somehow derived from slavery from wealth from other means at this point (and even less to have a system that makes sure that wealth is only benefitting white people).

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        The sad thing is, if you post that slave descendants today are better off than they would have been if still in Africa, it's taken as being pro-slavery. But the same deniers then claim that capitalism, which has lifted billions out of poverty while socialism has been murdering hundreds of millions, is only possible because of slavery, and they cannot see the paradox they have created out of whole cloth.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          They don't see it as a paradox. They equate capitalism with slavery. In the minds of many it still is slavery. Wage slavery. Except that unlike actual slaves, wage workers don't have to be paid enough to take care of themselves. If they go and die of starvation or health problems, who cares? There's a line out the door to replace them! So wage slavery is cheaper than chattel slavery, because slave owners had an incentive to take care of their property! It's a capitalist wet dream!
          I know it sounds nutty, but that's what people actually believe.

  11. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    It’s always about the most important thing, skin color.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      It is for Martina Big.

  12. ThanksForTheFish   3 years ago

    Gotta admit, watching progressives lose their minds and claw at the doors over Musk buying twitter is entertaining.

  13. Get To Da Chippah   3 years ago

    Journalists at major outlets and networks, who ought to have some fidelity to truth, are more interested in tarring perceived ideological enemies than soberly critiquing what their political adversaries have gotten wrong.

    Welcome to post-racial America.

  14. perlmonger   3 years ago

    So, I know that winning in court is even harder when one is a public figure, but at what point does this cross the line of libel or slander?

    1. n00bdragon   3 years ago

      You have to make explicit claims about someone that are provably untrue with the intent to harm their reputation. "I think Elon Musk is a racist." isn't slander. "Elon Musk raped me to death at a the Sigma Epsilon Xi frat party on October 32rd, 20XX and that's why you shouldn't do business with him." is slander.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        those Sig Zee parties were the worst.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          I heard Judge Kavanaugh used to go to them.

        2. JohnZ   3 years ago

          Sig Eps parties....drunken beer swilling to the max. Had to wade through several inches of beer on the floor in order to get amplifiers, drums and P.A. out the door.

      2. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Ok. Fair enough.

        It seems like there's a pretty big difference between "it's my opinion that Elon Musk is a horrible racist" and the declaration, "Elon Musk wants to reinstate Apartheid". Though I guess that's more like an accusation of conspiracy rather than some concrete illegal action.

        I dunno. Statement of opinion versus declaration of... false intent? false motivation? Yeah, ok, that's kinda falling apart.

  15. 5.56   3 years ago

    OH MY EFFING GOD, THE LEFT IS CRYING THE MOST EXQUISITE KIND OF TEARS RIGHT NOW.

    WHHOOOOAAAAAHHHHH 😀 😀 😀

    1. JohnZ   3 years ago

      My plan is to start a new soft drink business....canned, non alcoholic liberal tears.
      I'm gonna make zillions!

  16. Red Harem   3 years ago

    What exactly is the problem these people have? They spend all their time on twitter "clapping back" at racists and feeding trolls. If there weren't racists and trolls on twitter, they probably wouldn't use it. But now, it's the end of the world because they've convinced themselves that twitter is going to turn into 4chan.

    1. 5.56   3 years ago

      Dragons working for the fire department, setting houses on fire to retain their jobs?

    2. 5.56   3 years ago

      Which is the definition of a Democrat these days. I'ma make a sock "The Real Dragocrat". A dragon and a democrat in drag. The drag of someone who cares. The irony, cosidering that Democrat Kirkland always accuses others of being drag libertarians around these parts. But these people really know nothing but masks and no identity. And they have externalized their mask bullshit and forced it onto others for the last 3 years.

      No more. No. More.

    3. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

      There you go my friend. Do you like my costume? I'm a Democrat. I am concerned about racism and stuff.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        OBL, is that you? 😀

        1. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

          Dragons are born in fire. Drag queens are born from new attire. We should set everything on fire, including clothes shops. Because that is how we can get rid of housing even faster than California. Caesar Nero would be proud of Gavin Newsom. Ignis Aurum Probat. If it is good, it will withstand the fire. Just like everything in congress and the Democrat party.

          I am a Democrat. If the above rant made sense to you on a level that is more than unsubstantial confabulation and slightly confused but creatively connected poetry, you are a democrat too.

          1. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

            And Hank is one, too, that's for sure.

          2. JohnZ   3 years ago

            So that's how the U-Haul truck station caught fire!

    4. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

      I also do care tons about your health. You should really wear a mask.

      1. perlmonger   3 years ago

        Favorite new sock.

        1. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

          My costume is not a sock, it is a shining banner of intellectual superiority conjoined with deep displays of utter concern for important social matters such as racism, health and my personal portfolio. It is therefore a monument both to democracy and the Democrat party, of which only the latter, uh, the former deserves to be spelled with a capitol D. Capitol D.

          Anyways, my words are very shiny and very fancy. Because I am a Democrat.

          1. Dillinger   3 years ago

            >>I am concerned about racism and stuff.

            this is lol. love it.

  17. Dillinger   3 years ago

    hope the money makes it easier to be a living caricature.

    1. The Real Dragocrat   3 years ago

      Ha, living caricature, I see.

  18. Jerry Vandesic   3 years ago

    Musk looking back fondly on apartheid and missing it does not imply that he was ever willing to put in the effort of military service. It simply means that he wanted someone else to do the work.

  19. Nemo Aequalis   3 years ago

    I've never used Twitter and I probably never will. But, damn! It's sure provided me with a world of entertainment in the last 48 hours!

    1. JohnZ   3 years ago

      Oh yeah!

  20. justabill   3 years ago

    "Fuck Elon Musk"
    From San Diego area CA Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzales.

    How dare you be a white male?
    How dare you be wealthy?

    Pretty much sums up the far left's attitude towards anyone who won't kowtow to their guilt trips and shaming.

    1. Bill Falcon   3 years ago

      The question is would anyone including Elon fuck her? I doubt it.

  21. B G   3 years ago

    Is there any truth to the rumor that one contender to replace Maddow's show in the MSNBC schedule was titled "Joy Reid is Given a Random Noun and Explains why It's Racist"?

  22. Uncle Jay   3 years ago

    Joy Reid misses Stalin's Soviet Union.
    But what leftist nut case doesn't?

  23. PedroMartinez1   3 years ago

    Reid is a proven intellectual midget catering to an audience of "intellectual midgets".

  24. JohnZ   3 years ago

    Seems that Joy Reid hasn't ;earned to engage what brains she has before putting mouth in gear. But......that's her style. And why is she engaging in cultural appropriation by wearing a blond wig?
    She along with Whoopsie , Joy Behar and who ever else happens to be on the view for that week all appear to have a combined IQ that remains in the double digits. Intelligence is not one of the prerequisites for appearing on that show. In fact I would dare say Joy Reid is the worst of the lot.
    There's an old saying about keeping your mouth shut and allowing people to assume you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
    Joy Reid has no problem with removing all doubt.

  25. Bill Falcon   3 years ago

    How low journalism is now when you can accuse someone of being a racist and bigot with no proof but a "feeling". Even the old liberal at the NYT would not tolerate this crap but the real racists and bigots have the "white liberal" fear of being accused as a racist and the CRT theory that allows this shit. Let's be honest Ms. Reid...Elong Musk is the greatest American of African birth in history. You have a problem because of his skin color. That says quite a bit. And unlike Obama, Musk is 100% African....

  26. COINTELPRO   3 years ago

    African-Americans may want to remember maybe America’s greatest and most recent civil rights hero for African-Americans - former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam. Northam did in one term what nobody could accomplish in 100 years in Virginia benefiting African-Americans.

    The year before he gained civil rights hero status, African-Americans and many voters demanded Northam resign for being “racially insensitive” during college. Northam claims he didn’t remember it.

    Any minority group - women, LGBT or African-American - can only succeed with “allies” outside their group. They need these outside allies since they need a bigger voter base - since they only have a minority of voters. The goal is expanding their group of supporters, not turning them away.

    That’s the goal of real racists, to divide and minimize the support for minority groups. Although usually a fan of Joy Reid, there seems to be evidence Musk is not a racist, since he didn’t want to participate in apartheid military operations.

    Musk might be a greater force for good than Ralph Northam, we shouldn’t prejudge just yet and there is no real evidence to support it.

  27. R Mac   3 years ago

    Pitchforks it is then.

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