No, Mayor Eric Adams Can't Put Metal Detectors at Every NYC Subway Stop
Creating a TSA-like experience for every single New York City subway rider is one of the worst ideas floated in the wake of yesterday's tragic shooting.

Yesterday, a gunman in a gas mask and a worker's vest opened fire on the New York City subway, in Brooklyn's Sunset Park, and shot at least 10 people, injuring 23 and sending many people to the hospital.
It was a terrible tragedy made worse by the fact that the police still have not caught a suspect, and that cameras inside the subway station—which should be in working condition and able to aide the search for the shooter—were non-operational.
It's also been an opportunity for journalists to float terrible ideas for new security theater measures, prompting New York City Mayor Eric Adams, who has shown himself to be fairly pliable, to lend credence to them.
"Is the time now to consider putting in something like metal detectors to prevent people with weapons and metal and this kind of thing from getting into the train?" Maurice DuBois, an anchor for CBS New York, asked Adams last night. "People just need to feel safe. Is that one of the answers?"
"I truly believe that and, you know, I'm often criticized when I talk about technology being used to identify those who are carrying illegal guns," said Adams, awkwardly pivoting after agreeing. "This is why I'm sending my deputy mayor of public safety to scan the entire country and globe to find ways that we can identify guns. We must marry technology with safety, and I'm willing to do so."
"After all, people use it at Yankee Stadium, at office buildings, at the Garden [referring to Madison Square Garden], on and on and on," continued DuBois. "You have to wonder, why not the subway?"
"You are right," replied Adams. "We've found a few ways that it could be used." A communications person for the mayor has since walked back Adams' comments.
"Oh you don't do MTA PreCheck?" https://t.co/HBgBB2YMk3
— katie honan (@katie_honan) April 12, 2022
Watching the exchange, it looks like DuBois is pushing Adams to agree to a policy without considering whether it's possible to implement it, and that Adams obliged him as a show of concern.
But the problem here was not lack of gun control laws—New York City makes it incredibly hard to legally carry a gun on your person—or lack of metal detectors. The problem was that an evil person did a vile thing, which is a risk you necessarily run when living among 8.5 million other people.
Metal detectors, or—God forbid—TSA-style agents manning them, asking to search people's bags as they enter any one of the city's 472 subway stations, would be a logistical nightmare. No New Yorker in their right mind would want to pull out their laptop, cell phone, vape pen, or whatever other metal-containing items they might have on their person, flashing their electronics around, showing other subway riders what could be snatched from them later on in the journey.
The subway has an average weekday ridership of about 5.5 million people (or at least it did prior to the pandemic; the bounce-back has been tough to quantify), most of them moving quickly to catch their trains and commute to or from work. Not only would TSA-style searches need to move quickly and manage astonishing volume, but they'd also need to be available 24/7, as New Yorkers sometimes take the train home at 3 a.m. in questionably cogent states. Inviting more interactions between harried citizens and cops, or harried citizens and TSA-type agents, is a recipe not only for petty conflict to emerge and escalate, but also for law enforcement to arrest people for illegal but mostly harmless things (like drugs).
When this type of security theater was tried in Washington, D.C., back in 2010, it was a colossal failure. Designed to screen people acting "suspiciously," straphangers ended up actually being allowed to opt out of the random searches. Organizers for Flex Your Rights, a nonprofit that helps people protect themselves when interacting with law enforcement, handed out flyers to inform D.C. residents about how to opt out of these searches. The searches never yielded much; over the first 18 months, zero arrests were made, but plenty of Metro riders complained about agents rifling through their stuff.
Adams was right to quickly walk back his agreement that the MTA needs to be more like the TSA. When the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) was created in November 2001 following 9/11, it did not thwart scores of terrorists who were slipping through the cracks, but instead "has proven itself skilled at harassing travelers and freaking out over pocketknives and water bottles while steadfastly failing at its assigned task of making air transportation any safer," writes Reason's J.D. Tuccille. In 20 years of existence, the TSA has yet to take credit for stopping a terrorist plot; it can't even consistently detect explosives and weapons.
Too often, government officials use senseless acts of violence as a pretense to impose more surveillance and inconvenience on ordinary citizens who have no intention of committing terrible acts. They don't end up catching criminals, who are often wily enough to evade existing laws—how did the Sunset Park shooter get a gun in New York City, after all?—but they do end up lowering everyone else's quality of life, layering on restriction after restriction until urban life becomes more inconvenient than it's worth. It's like Adams and DuBois are trying to drive people out of the greatest city in the world.
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The problem was that an evil person did a vile thing, which is a risk you necessarily run when living among 8.5 million other people.
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Metal detectors, or—God forbid—TSA-style agents manning them, asking to search people's bags as they enter any one of the city's 472 subway stations, would be a logistical nightmare.
But Eric "Glocks are weapons of mass destruction" Adams has to do *something*!
Something must be done. This is something. Therefore it must be done.
There wouldn’t have been a shooting here at all of the democrats and their BLM and Antifa agents hadn’t radicalized the shooter. Which means the media will blame guns and then not report on it.
How about issuing sidearms to every adult, after a training class?
If two of the 33 shot or injured were able to defend themselves, how would it have gone? Would he even have tried? If so, would fewer have been injured even with a few wild rounds?
The shadow knows.
I have no problem with gun training, bus, ask one thing, how long is it going to be before the anti-gun nuts start suing the Trainers when someone does something with a gun? New York is already going after gun manufacturers for producing a legal product.
Or ask what will happen if they start suing the government for not banning the guns.
"We must marry technology with safety, and I'm willing to do so."
The motto of the modern security state. Perhaps we should replace the Declaration of Independence with this.
How about ending the non-stop anti-white, anti-american propaganda promoted by the left?
Why does the left have racist domestic terrorist problems?
Apt name
At least 3 black-separatist mass attacks in 12 months
Zombie Madeline Albright approves of ignoring human suffering to advance a political football.
You shall reap what you sow, fatass.
Enjoy your final days.
Fatass? Is he a Pedo Jeffy sock?
The one he beats off into while scouring the daily D talking points.
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If only we had a libertarian translator to decifer Hank's posts.
We need the Hank Rosetta stone.
Ironically, he calls himself the libertarian translator.
https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/who-is-hank-phillips/
Easy. He wrote the 1972 abortion plank for the libertarian party.
Follow that and problem solved.
How about we set up a bum fight between him and Sqrlsy?
I would pay to see that. Maybe sic them on Tony first. I picture them ripping him apart and eating him, like in ‘The Walking Dead’.
How about we set up a bum fight between him and Sqrlsy?
^++
Funny stuff.
If SQRLSY wins, we'll get a Rockie-esque ringside bad poetry slam to top it off.
Never going to happen. Block Insane Yomomma's lifelong work is to try to create enough guys like Frank R. James to destroy the country.
<blockquoteNo New Yorker in their right mind would want to pull out their laptop, cell phone, vape pen, or whatever other metal-containing items they might have on their person, flashing their electronics around, showing other subway riders what could be snatched from them later on in the journey
You guys might *really* want to consider that your experience of what a city is like is NOT the norm for most of the rest of them.
At least outside the ebul not-pro-abortion states. But I guess being locked in a metal tube with sociopaths and being fearful all the time is a small price to pay for on-demand abortion access.
Didn't New Yorkers not only willingly, but enthusiastically accept draconian COVID restrictions for a virus that had a lower kill rate than the white man who just shot up the subway?
Yeah, they caught that white negro shooter.
Blockquotes for the win!
Could be worse - most of the time I get the opening right and fail.to close properly.
Replace sociopath w/ self-centered cowards, and then apply broadly. Urbanites are shit.
"This is why I'm sending my deputy mayor of public safety to scan the entire country and globe to find ways that we can identify guns."
The problem isn't guns. It's the assholes who use them. Stop playing catch and release with criminals. Start enforcing the gun charges that your Prosecutors bargain away.
Even if he could, even if it was practical and reasonable, he shouldn't. He shouldn't want to. Nobody should want him to.
You need more Bernard Goetz's, not fewer.
Where's Bernie Goetz when you need him? Or Charlie Bronson for that matter.
But the problem here was not lack of gun control laws—New York City makes it incredibly hard to legally carry a gun on your person—or lack of metal detectors. The problem was that an evil person did a vile thing, which is a risk you necessarily run when living among 8.5 million other people.
Sort of puts some perspective on the desire to import the entire world's population to this country, doesn't it?
Cui bono? Perhaps a disgruntled member of the Transport Sozialist Arbeiterpartei employees union, seeking to establish the need for a Subway Gestapo.
Or we could just, you know, arrest criminals instead of letting them roam the streets?
So what, we just let every crazy white man with a gun onto the subway?
Things like this cannot be prevented. Nobody likes to hear it, but it's true.
The question that hasn't been asked is why do we think it's worse to be shot on the subway than on the street?
^ The question you ask when you've never used the subway.
It’s like shooting fish in a barrel and no one can run?
Your soul gets trapped underground.
It smells worse?
A city that masks its toddlers, willingly and with gusto probably won't mind a little pat down, metal detection, facial recognition, bag search and laptop/cell phone check to board the subway.
OT: A while back you posted about how social media facilitates or caters to the way women express aggression. Seen The Social Contagion Of Mental Disorders Through Social Media Platforms (Trigger Warning: Jordan Peterson)?
The humor of brandybuck chipping in w/ the typical silly bullshit in close proximity to a comment on social media and how women express aggression should not be ignored. I would agree social media certainly exacerbates the dishonest, whisper campaign, talk behind one's back, smug clique and mobbing tendencies, and indirect methods of assault, in conjunction with the tendency to attempt to completely destroy a person rather than simply let bygones be bygones. These are all fairly typical shitty female behaviors, and shitty male behaviors as well -men not being as well known for this sort of bullshit. I would argue that these have become more prevalent in reality, not merely in the anonymous confines of social media.
Huh? Wat?
You should call him a racist!
When I heard it mentioned (per mad.casual's message above) it was simply explained (by a clinical psychologist) in a discussion about female vs male anti-social behavior. It was not intended to suggest that "women are the worst" in any way shape or form. It was merely a free-flowing discussion on the psychology research and how anti-social behavior differs between men and women.
With men, antisocial behavior manifests itself generally through violence. According to the data, women ALSO express anti-social behavior but it's not much focused on because... you know, dudes killing people tends to grab headlines. But FEMALE anti-social behavior manifests itself as what psychologists refer to as "reputation destruction". And, as a followup quip, it was said "That scales on the internet" whereas physical violence does not.
Again, one might CHOOSE to interpret that as saying "women are the worst" but that would be a blinkered view of the argument. If anything, it was more of an indictment about the possible negative effects of social media on a population that's perpetually connected and chases likes.
Yeah. Between your article(s) and mine, it's a couple stolen bases. First stolen base is a moral judgement about an observation. "Social media disparately supports the way women typically manifest aggression" doesn't suggest that shaming someone into self-loathing is morally worse than beating them to near death. It just acknowledges that social media facilitates one and not the other.
The second is that the disparity is intrinsic or causal rather than associative. This, IMO, is the one that's far more interesting. It could readily be that Social Media is a Kafka/Saw/War Games-style torture trap (the only winning move it not to play) that attracts women more readily than men. The flip-side of the conventional wisdom of male sports: men didn't build male sports to be destructive or exclude women, but physicality of sports does more frequently injure and exclude women.
I am not a big city person, but the few times I've taken the NY, DC, Boston, SF subways, they just aren't the kind of places where metal detectors would work. First off, the crowds are too big to funnel everyone through a narrow chokepoint. And as the article points out, way too many stops.
The other major hurdle is that metal detectors detect... metal. Not guns, but metal. Your aluminum water bottle, your belt buckle, your laptop, etc. Even stuff like pocket knives (legal, btw). So making everyone empty everything into trays like at the airport is fucking stupid. Airports can't handle the load with a fraction of the traffic, what makes this jerk of a mayor think he can do it for the busiest subway in the world? Shit, it would be quicker walking back to Queens than taking the subway.
And as an old Brooklyn dude used to say, "What a maroon!"
Why would he care? As Mayor he gets a police escort and flashing lights. So what if taking the subway becomes even more of a nightmare - no one who matters in NYC uses public transit.
Your aluminum water bottle, your belt buckle, your laptop, etc. Even stuff like pocket knives (legal, btw).
And that's the easy stuff. Air travel has an inherent threshold for entry. You have to book ahead of time and show up at a prescribed time. Otherwise, you can be out a rather serious amount of money. So you tend not to get penniless bums sitting around the airport waiting on their flight. And by 'penniless bums' I mean people who may have surgical implants and not be aware that they even have them.
If you've ever been to a major sporting event where... 50,000 people are entering the stadium and they have 45 gates with metal detectors and people doing bag searches and patdowns, I think that it CAN be done, and of course there'd be a possible slowdown of the efficiency of the subway system.
The important thing to put into focus here is... to the leadership (and a shockingly large portion of the population) that doesn't matter. They'll readjust to "the new normal" in very short order if they think it will save one life.
Nothing in my comment should be construed as an "ought to be" situation, but more a comment on how it probably will be or IS.
I think that it CAN be done, and of course there'd be a possible slowdown of the efficiency of the subway system.
Per my point above, if you slow it down to one-off events or a handful of flights to the same destination every day, it's doable. I'm fairly certain no one would use the subway though. Missing the 9:00 train because you were late and hopping on the 9:15 is NBD. Missing the 9:00 train because you showed up at 8:30 and being cleared and ready to make the 11:00 train is unworkable. Even if you prioritize routes, you're going to hemorrhage riders and, unlike flying, waste money maintaining routes that nobody uses.
He shot 10 and injured 23? What the hell was he firing, an elk rifle?
Killed 0, 10 shot, 19 'others' injured was the last that I heard. Total of 29 injuries, presumably 19 of them were from the chaotic stampede in the aftermath, smoke inhalation, etc.
Hangnails, stubbed toes, etc..
Huh, so he was using a .380
*ducks*
Simple solution, constitutional carry. An armed populous is a polite populous.
Yes, but it takes a while before the politeness sets in. And a lot of that politeness is really just enforced respect. You can see this in gangland activity, where universal carry means you show the utmost respect and deference or you get capped.
Don't get me wrong, I am all in favor of open carry. But the cheap slogans are still just cheap slogans.
Plus NYC is filled with democrat scumbags. So the whole city is pretty low on character and integrity. Look at the kind of filth they elect.
Politeness kicks in as soon as a few feet go up a few asses.
https://twitter.com/DolioJ/status/1514284472778301446?t=GlmGOgkQO1oKAPbLaz8fjA&s=19
Given that virtually every mass shooter or near-lethal approach suspect has had prior contacts with the FBI for threat assessment, either they are abysmally bad at it, or they keep these people in their back pocket for when they need them.
There isn't another logical choice.
The question that one might ask here is, was this idiot not more closely watched because of a legitimate 4A stance, which seems pretty unlikely given the fed's track record. I am not for more monitoring, though it seems that whatever I am for, the DoJ will do whatever they please. Was he not monitored due to laziness, as a reply suggests, and is a strong likelihood? Was he not monitored due to his ethnicity and DoJ politics? If the latter, if there were no 4A violations, then there is yet another serious issue with yet another fed agency.
or they keep these people in their back pocket for when they need them
Waste valuable resources researching to locate a low-threat unstable nutjob and then convince him he is a target of government persecution by investigating him.
Voila! Perpetual job security.
Before New York City starts bringing in new technology, wouldn’t it be a good idea to have the existing technology, such as video cameras, actually work?
Just a thought
racist
Yeah I know. Keeping existing equipment in good repair is exactly how white supremacy works.
This shooting will likely fall out of the news cycle too quickly for there to be any real pressure on the City to make any changes. The identity of the alleged shooter is in direct conflict with the preferred MSM narrative regarding who the perpetrators of these events are; not to mention his failure to use the dreaded AR-15 "weapon of war".
The Sacramento shooting seems to have already pretty much vanished from the national discussion for similar reasons despite having maybe involved a fully-automatic "ghost gun". Apparently gang-related crimes are only useful to "Everytown" when they need to come up with elevated totals, but not so much when they want to argue in favor of trying to revoke the protection of the rights of people who make a good-faith effort to actually comply with laws, even in places where those laws are frequently changed or enforced in ways which make full compliance increasingly difficult.
It's like Adams and DuBois are trying to drive people out of the greatest city in the world.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence.
He should know better than to propose so dumb an idea. Consider the following. Would the ring of keys in your pocket or purse set alarm bells ringing? What else in the way of innocent metal items might set alarm bells ringing, warning lights flashing?
Adams should be more concerned about the failure of all security cameras in the subway.
‘Their anger is building up’: Viral video sheds light on views of suspected New York subway shooter
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/frank-james-new-york-shooter-social-media/
Get that constant 'drip, drip, drip' going that the whole world is against you, that 'races' can't live together in peace, and that government social workers are the solution to all problems, and this is sure to happen.