German States Will Prosecute Speech That Supports the Russian Invasion of Ukraine
Several German states have announced they will prosecute those who publicly display the letter Z in support of Russia.

A number of German states have banned public displays of the letter Z, which has become a symbol for supporters of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
The states of Berlin, Saxony, Bavaria, and Lower Saxony will prosecute people who publicly display the letter. Baden-Württemberg, North Rhine-Westphalia, and Saxony-Anhalt are considering implementing their own bans as well.
"The Russian attack on Ukraine is a crime and whoever publicly approves of this war can thereby become criminally liable," said Marek Wede, a spokesperson for Germany's Interior Ministry. German law forbids public support of illegal acts. Those who are found guilty could face punishment ranging from a fine to three years in jail.
The letter Z has been painted on Russian tanks and troop transport vehicles since the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine. Some Russian civilians have also reportedly painted the symbol on their cars, and a Russian gymnast donned the symbol on his uniform during a podium ceremony at Apparatus World Cup in Doha, Qatar. The Russian Defense Ministry claims the symbol stands for "za pobedu," which means "for victory."
In late March, Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kuleba wrote on Twitter, "I call on all states to criminalize the use of the 'Z' symbol as a way to publicly support Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine. 'Z' means Russian war crimes, bombed out cities, thousands of murdered Ukrainians. Public support of this barbarism must be forbidden."
Critics of Germany's effort to expand its restrictions on so-called hate speech and certain types of political speech argue that the Z ban is both illiberal and not helpful to Ukraine.
"Of course it is regrettable that some people choose to defend or support Putin's attack on a sovereign nation. But no one, not even our politicians, can seriously believe that banning the 'Z' symbol will change their minds. On the contrary, it will probably embolden Russia's supporters, who already claim to feel victimised by the West," wrote Sabine Beppler-Spahl, chair of the German liberal think tank Freiblickinstitut, in Spiked.
"Moreover, pro-Russia demonstrators can now accuse Germany of hypocrisy. After all, the very same German politicians who frequently attack the repression of dissent in Russia are now repressing dissent in Germany."
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You know what else the German States used to prosecute people for?
Using oil?
During the Nazi era, not much, since the Nazi government, exercising the authority it had been given by the Enabling Act, more or less abolished the state governments, which were replaced by Gaue as units of local government.
Why does everyone assume every "you know what else" question asked in context of Germany is about Nazis?
Because 99% of the time it is bait Nazis (or Hitler) even in contexts other than Germany
Check out Literal McStraighForward over here.
Being a Jehovah’s Witness?
Using ingredients other than water, barley malt and hops in the beer making process?
Not all laws are bad.
I can favor one law, while opposing the concept of law, i.e., the initiation of force, imposing rules (threatening violence). It is wrong to force rules on all, even if the rule is good. Why? People have the right to be wrong, to go by their conscience, to self-rule (govern).
Mass conformity is not healthy. It stops social experimentation and kills sprits.
That was Bavaria which was part of the Holy Roman Empire at the time.
Germany wouldn't exist for another 355 years.
Still a good law.
Existing?
Crime? No more.
Public support of this barbarism must be forbidden."
I suspect they used the word "verboten".
Alles verboten!
"Moreover, pro-Russia demonstrators can now accuse Germany of hypocrisy. After all, the very same German politicians who frequently attack the repression of dissent in Russia are now repressing dissent in Germany."
Dissent is kind of a complicated stew... may ingredients, yes, but let's be real, you don't just throw anything in there.
How do you ban a letter of the alphabet??? This is absurd.
Interestingly, it was picked as the symbol to identify friendly vehicles precisely because Z is not a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. It was meant to serve the same purpose as the inverted V painted on Coalition Forces vehicles during Desert Storm.
Z is, however, a letter in the German alphabet so yes, this attempt by German authorities is absurd.
The Germans prefer two Zs, imposed on top of each other, one rotated in 90 degree opposition to the first.
So do a lot of the Ukrainians...
You mean the Hindu religious symbol that goes back thousands of years and was adopted by a now-defunct political party? Sure - no overreaction there either...
Hindu? Try Navajo.
And boy howdy will it cause a moment of serious cognitive dissonance when you see some old building in New Mexico that's got a swastika / swavastika motif... like the courthouse... Context shifting without a clutch.
I'm too lazy to google if they still call it, but the NMSU Student Year book was called "Swastika". I have a funny feeling it's no longer called that in 2022.
Hindus use it too. But their version is not nearly as similar to the Nazi version as the one on that blanket. Black on white on red. My goodness. But I don't think Hitler was actually familiar with Navajo blankets when he designed the Nazi flag. And the Navajos did help the U.S. win in WW II with their famous "code talkers".
Buddhists too! All over temples in Tibet IIRC from photos discussing just this very concept (Swastika being a sun symbol in use for long time before the Nazis co-opted if for their very own, thus robbing all of us of a really nice ancient commonality .)
The swastika's everywhere in Buddhism, but it's also a Jain religious symbol. All Jain temples and holy books must contain the swastika and ceremonies typically begin and end with creating a swastika mark several times with rice around the altar.
Considering the shade of red that's one hell of a coincidence, too
You mean the Norse sun sign?
Hint: All bans are absurd.
But their deodorant works.
Hey, if we can ban a collection of letters, then why not just the one?
What's Ohio's version of the "Don't Say Z" bill say?
But Putinmanbad!
Russiamanbad!
Slava Ukraini!
Good think speech isn't a human right...
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1512111755111149576?t=7f62bhs5Fj2JT3ai3bV07Q&s=19
Earlier this week, Zelensky berated the UN to punish Russia or "dissolve" itself. Today, the UN ejects Russia from the Human Rights Council, preempting any independent investigation -- which had been requested by both India and China. Another PR coup for the PR maestro Zelensky
Z for Zelensky!
He is your lord and savior now.
Perfect combination of Fauci+Cuomo
World war Z.
Zorro, whose character was allegedly ripped off.
Are they keeping China on the Human Rights Council? Or Venezuela?
https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/current-members
https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1511836662938148872?t=NiZwb3sJyV0lqhs-Nrj3pQ&s=19
This picture is all you need to know about Bucha 'massacre'.
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Yep, to real ignoramuses a ingle picture posted to twitter is all the need to "know" about something.
Perhaps the meager level of their intelligence.
I don't think you really understand just how amazing that cat is.
I hear it shot down 42 jets, took out 120 tanks, and sunk like 12 battleships
Johnny the Homicidal Maniac Hardest Hit.
That's a deep reference right there.
In today's world should all slave labor graphics books be banned?
I think as long as they publicly apologize for the severe harm the name of their company has caused to marginalized communities, change it to something appropriately groveling, and make a sufficient donation to BLM they can probably be put on probation, instead of directly and immediately canceled. I'd have to know how serious their
donationcommitment was first, though.Any existing books that have their old, bigoted name on them will need to be burned, of course.
Ruh roh!
https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1512083433916284930?t=uDdgeqLAPRK_PlL3Crl-WA&s=19
French election poll gives Le Pen a lead over Macron in presidential run-off.
Germany is the size of New Mexico. And it has states?
Yes:
Poland
Czechoslovakia
France
Ukraine
Finland
Shall I go on?
I didn't laugh.
You have no soul.
What are you talking about? I'm a blonde, not a ginger.
By the way, how did the blonde get pregnant? And you say we're stupid? Ha!
You'll have to forgive sarc. He admitted to having no passport or traveling ever unless it is a half million dollar air bnb split by friends.
Yes, that's why it's called the FEDERAL Republic Of Germany.
So they're equivalent of counties, or do they have them too?
The have actual counts.
Sure. Mexico has states too.
I knew that believe it or not. Used to work with this guy Rolando Robles Ramirez or something, nice guy, didn't speak a word of Ingles, and he said he was from Zacatecas. I thought that was a city but turns out it's a state.
But apparently they stopped using the Estados Unidos de Mexico name.
The Federated States Of Micronesia is made up of four states, and only has 104 000 people.
Its not like we don't have a bunch of states that could all fit into New Mexico
Use of the swastika to show support for Ukraine totally cool now though
The ADL has clarified that the Azov Battalions' use of neo-Nazi imagery is acceptable because the Russians are the greater Nazi threat to Jews.
That's not even satire
Liberal democracy everybody.
Is it any wonder why Orban won last weekend?
You will take public transportation.
You will rent a studio apartment.
You will get the vaccine and boosters.
You will kneel for BLM.
You will salute the LGBTQIA+ pride flag.
You will eat the plant-based "meat".
You will watch the Marvel comic book movies.
When in the course of human events - - - - - -
Except these policies generally have high appeal. No one but neonazis are arguing against the public display of nazi symbols there.
That's not particularly surprising, given that Germans undergo decades of government indoctrination in public schools and are subjected lifelong to government-mandated propaganda.
We aren't talking about whether people should publicly display Nazi symbols (obviously they shouldn't); we are talking about whether government should have the power to punish people who do display such symbols. And typical for the totalitarian mindset of Germans, Germans believe that government should have that power.
Are they offering a reward for the capture of Zorro?
Sex Moosach is web place were sexy ladies waiting for contacts with you
Sounds totally legit!
Who doesn't want a Sex Moose Sack?
Indeed.
Don't be a bigot; it's just an alternative life style. And no one will teach it to kids.
It's clear that not everything in Germany should be up for a vote.
How is the invasion a crime in German law when it takes place outside German jurisdiction?
I may be slow, but this feels like an awesome joke about WWII.
First they ban the letter Z. Then they invade France.
Poland first.
Poor Belgium.
Huh. Just as in the movie by that title.
Just a guess but next thing you know, California or New York will attempt to ban the letter...
N
What about Z in support of Zionism?
We prefer the term "Zionist organized government" or "ZOG" for short.
C'mon Rabbi, you of all peoples should know the the "O" stands for "Zionist OCCUPIED Government" and not organized. Sheesh, get it right, man. :/
https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1511868305174560771?t=bHnaAOTIsQ66M5lGfL6P_Q&s=19
It's actually really disturbing that US empire managers now feel comfortable just leaking the fact that they are blatantly lying to the public to win a psywar against Putin. It means they can get the public to consciously consent to their rulers lying to them for their own good.
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Still a bunch of Nazis. Some things never change.
Still a bunch of Not-Zs.
Do you know how many words and names begin with Z in German? Lots! This is gonna play hell with abbreviations over there.
Unt ven zey speak English….see Z problem?
This only surprises you when you suffer from the delusion that Germany is somehow a "liberal democracy", instead of the proto-fascist state that it is and has always been.
This only surprises you when you think that European "democracies" are something for Americans to aspire to or emulate, as progressives and Reason-style libertarians often do.
Pray tell what the people here are calling for then- book bans? transgender care bans? Effects of racism being taught in school bans? Abortion bans?
The fact you think you live in some free bastion instead of a different proto-fascist state is hilarious. You just support another form of control is all.
This is an open public form. Even fascists like you are permitted "here".
I'm not aware of any conservative or libertarian calling for any of those things.
The US Constitution and US law objectively guarantees more freedoms and provides more protections to liberty than German law. That's a fact.
Oh you better believe it. I just want that control to be based on libertarian principles (i.e., economic necessity, individual responsibility, private association, etc.).
Except it's widely popular. Moreover, these are the very people who should be shuffling over to Russia if they think it's so heavenly. Same with our "patriots" here.
They banned displaying nazi symbols for the longest time and people are very supportive of that. Might not jive with your idea of "freedom" but they seem quite content. The people who dislike it can move to that liberal bastion of Russia that they so adore then. See how long it takes til the police roll up on them there.
"...they seem quite content."??? Is mass consensus a moral criteria or excuse for forcing conformity? That idea was the foundation for Nazi politics. Banning speech, e.g., displaying Nazi symbols, is Nazi politics.
Evidently, the German people learned nothing about freedom or rights.
Yes, that's German culture for you: illiberal, totalitarian, collectivist. Little has changed in Germany since the Nazi era.
Yes, that's also pretty typical of German culture: exile anybody who doesn't conform.
Here is who Germans really should exile: the politicians who thought it was a good idea to get 40% of Germany's fossil fuels from Russia. How about sending everybody who supported that idiotic policy to Russia?
This is what becomes of having two armies using the same equipment.
Perhaps the USA should impose a six month ceasefire while we supply Ukraine with American equipment and train them in the use. Then the war can continue with normal target identification, and no need to discriminate on the basis of letters.