Hearing Mike Pence Speak Won't Harm UVA Students
The editorial board of UVA's The Cavalier Daily should abandon its effort to keep Mike Pence off campus.

Former Vice President Mike Pence is set to speak at the University of Virginia on April 12, invited by the university's chapter of Young Americans for Freedom. Normally, a former government official addressing interested students at a public college would be an unremarkable event. However, the editorial board of The Cavalier Daily—the student-run paper at UVA—has declared Pence's event to be a crisis. This week, the board published an editorial arguing that Pence's presence on campus will "threaten the lives" of UVA students, claiming that it amounts to "bigotry that threatens the well-being and safety of students on Grounds." Not only do they call on the university to not "platform" Pence due to his political beliefs—something that would be explicitly illegal because UVA is a public university—they also argue that those beliefs constitute a physical threat to the safety of UVA students.
As a former opinion writer for the paper and a current student at UVA, I am disappointed that a group of aspiring journalists would mount such an attack on free speech.
It is too easy to dismiss the editorial as simply the rumblings of college students, who often write unreasonable things and have outlandish opinions. I don't think my classmates' current views should follow them after graduation, nor should they be subject to an online pile-on because of them.
However, I do want to take them seriously. This is the latest incident in a troubling trend seeping its way into every corner of the public sphere: Labeling certain types of political speech as dangerous, even when the speaker doesn't incite violence. Not only is this a dull strategy, but it also destroys our ability to make meaningful statements about political problems.
The editorial board writes "For us, the answer is simple. Hateful rhetoric is violent — and this is impermissible." They insist that there is no space at UVA for "rhetoric that directly threatens the presence and lives of our community members. The LGBTQ+ individuals Pence has attacked, the Black lives he refuses to value and the successful stories of immigration he and the former president hope to prevent…"
It is possible to criticize someone's ideas without claiming that their mere articulation physically endangers the people who hear them. We should reserve the label of "violence" for physical bodily harm—anything else deliberately muddles the word's meaning and prevents us from speaking clearly about actual persecution.
Emotional discomfort is one thing, and a threat to human life is another. Consider as an example the harsh state-sponsored persecution of LGBT people in Brunei, where gay sex became a crime punishable by stoning in 2019. It's fair to describe this law as one that "threatens the lives" of LGBT Bruneians, because it literally, clearly does. When we similarly describe the presence of a homophobic speaker on an American college campus as life-threatening, we obfuscate what actually endangers LGBT Americans. These two situations are clearly not the same thing in effect or under law, yet the emerging new norm supported by The Cavalier Daily treats them as indistinguishable.
Defining "violence" to encompass actions that emphatically aren't violent is not restricted to college newspapers. From a New York Times column to a leading journalist, the idea that hurtful or offensive speech constitutes violent action is gaining traction and making it even more difficult to discern reality from exaggeration.
In a recent editorial, the New York Times editorial board argued that "free speech demands a greater willingness to engage with ideas we dislike and greater self-restraint in the face of words that challenge and even unsettle us." I voiced similar concerns in my opinion essay published earlier this month.
If we want the words we use to hold meaning, we must resist the urge to cast nonviolent speech as violence. While relying on hyperbole to criticize another's views may have noble intentions, it is a lazy tactic that clouds discussion. Labeling spoken ideas and beliefs as violent doesn't make these ideas and beliefs easier to refute; it shows that you are refusing to engage in controversial debate. The Cavalier Daily can criticize Pence's political beliefs without claiming he poses a threat to UVA students. It's more work, of course, but if the paper aims to influence its readers, it's also worth the effort.
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Tolerance is not tolerating intolerance, and anyone who disagrees is intolerant.
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This is now dogma in the nation's universities:
Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of this tolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as of discussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word. The traditional criterion of clear and present danger seems no longer adequate to a stage where the whole society is in the situation of the theater audience when somebody cries: 'fire'. It is a situation in which the total catastrophe could be triggered off any moment, not only by a technical error, but also by a rational miscalculation of risks, or by a rash speech of one of the leaders. In past and different circumstances, the speeches of the Fascist and Nazi leaders were the immediate prologue to the massacre. The distance between the propaganda and the action, between the organization and its release on the people had become too short. But the spreading of the word could have been stopped before it was too late: if democratic tolerance had been withdrawn when the future leaders started their campaign, mankind would have had a chance of avoiding Auschwitz and a World War.
The whole post-fascist period is one of clear and present danger. Consequently, true pacification requires the withdrawal of tolerance before the deed, at the stage of communication in word, print, and picture. Such extreme suspension of the right of free speech and free assembly is indeed justified only if the whole of society is in extreme danger. I maintain that our society is in such an emergency situation, and that it has become the normal state of affairs. Different opinions and 'philosophies' can no longer compete peacefully for adherence and persuasion on rational grounds: the 'marketplace of ideas' is organized and delimited by those who determine the national and the individual interest. In this society, for which the ideologists have proclaimed the 'end of ideology', the false consciousness has become the general consciousness--from the government down to its last objects.
Yeah, that essay.
Fails to note that, in fact, illiberal intolerance WAS practiced in Germany. By the very people he claims illiberal thought control would have stopped.
Everyone who proposes this sort of idea, including the body of shrieking students at universities and their faculty enablers these days, assumes they're going to be the one who organize and delimit the marketplace of ideas.
My innate schadenfreude would almost love to see what happens when someone who proposed this is then secreted to the gulag in the middle of the night because of wrongthink when the political winds change. Though of course not for real as that sort of society is slavery, and everyone is always one whim away from being the slave.
“Marketplace of Ideas” = MARKET FAILURE!!!!
Oh, and I love the “false consciousness” bit. Quoth Monte Python: Oooh! What a giveaway!
Further evidence that the American left has been devolving into undisciplined children since at least 2008.
"the speeches of the Fascist and Nazi leaders were the immediate prologue to the massacre. "
While the speeches of the Communist and Bolshevik leaders were the immediate prologue to peace and prosperity.
Why does this seem like a clever point to you? It's bizarre.
If someone advocates for tolerating minorities, they must never criticize racist fuckfaces?
Don't you have any self-respect?
Well, if Dave chappelle can unleash “violent bigots” on alphabet people with a standup routine, I suppose the danger is ever present, eh tony? Stay scared little guy.
What is wrong with you?
He’s a victim bully. Vicious bigots like him use phony outrage to try and shame people who have done nothing wrong. The left has been very successful in this regard.
How could his presence possibly threaten the very lives of students? Is he planning to come in armed?
Words are violence. Ideas are dangerous.
He might misgender someone and then they'd have to commit suicide immediately after because of the trauma.
We can hope.
To a fragile coward, unquestioned rhetoric is often the strongest tool.
That's what I was wondering. How exactly does Mike Pence's presence on campus threaten the safety of students? What is the mechanism?
It’s not like they’re all go8mg to be strapped down with their eyes pried open to listen him him speak. And I’m sure they have lots of leftist scumbags come and speak all the time.
might bore them to death.
^
LOL....true, no charisma.
Well, at least you are learning how fascism starts.
You wouldn't know fascism if it attempted a coup on the steps of the US capitol in broad daylight.
I would.
And if it ever happens, I would say so.
We do know fascism. It’s you and your fellow travelers.
When do they start calling for "work" camps for political enemies again?
I’ve been promoting camps for political enemies for years. Step 1: round up Mormons. Step 2: gas Mormons. Step 3: kick back, relax, and enjoy the better world we’ve created.
Parody shouldn’t be boring.
Try harder.
When he gets a good hate on, you can be sure he is rock hard.
Pretty sure that's NOT parody; it is simply abysmal stupidity.
Haha. “Promoting”.
You just want other people to do your dirty work. What a pussy.
Figures the guy who supports actual genocide against people he doesn't like would respond. I'm betting it pretty fucking asinine and sophomoric but it's not worth it to unmute him. Did he mention killing Mormons in it?
You must be psychic
Until Deans start suspending and then expelling with forfeit of all credits earned, those that disrupt followed by bringing in SWAT to crack some sense into their skulls, this will only get worse and worse.
Why would they do that?
These students are parroting the views of the faculty, who are overwhelmingly in favor of this sort of thing.
Bingo! Good thing these students will soon to be trying to get into a dying profession but then again they are perfectly trained for the growing Diversity, Inclusive and Equity field, as long as they're the right color.
The DIE is cast?
More to the point, the schools get revenue from having as many "students" on the rolls as possible, and they don't give a flying fuck whether those "students" learn anything, or even behave like civilized human beings. If they expel a snotty little brat for misbehavior, that's around six figures off their top line.
-jcr
'Normally, a former government official addressing interested students at a public college would be an unremarkable event.' One wonders where the author has been hiding since 2015. And rumblings? I suspect ramblings are a better descriptions. Also, if Pence's hateful rhetoric is violent, what is the decision that students who have differing views do not have the right to express them or host speakers who may also voice differing views? Peace and unity? I already know the answer is yes, yes it is peace and unity, Ferrous, because those terroristic white nationalists will not be spreading hate, see?
Mistake No 1: "hearing" Mike Pence implies forced listening. The 180° extreme is not allowing Mike Pence to speak.
The title should be "Allowing Mike Pence to speak".
Well, it beats "Hang Mike Pence" by a mile.
I cannot understand what these "threatened" students are doing enrolled at a university founded by a notorious rapist and slaver? Has Jefferson's statue on campus been removed yet? Once that is called for, all UVA alumni should suspend their donations until cooler, mature heads prevail.
I don't think my classmates' current views should follow them after graduation, nor should they be subject to an online pile-on because of them.
I do. When you take away the hyperbole, they have no point at all. This is immature and dishonest, certainly not worthy of a college degree.
Hateful rhetoric is violent —
Not by any reasonable definition of those words. Words have meaning and these asshats refuse to respect the language. Don't apologize for them, they should be roundly mocked.
The way to treat cancer is with extreme prejudice as early as possible, these people are a concern on any liberal society and should be expunged as appropriate for cancer.
Hateful rhetoric is violent —
So what is more hateful than denying first amendment rights?
The American left no longer engages with opposing views; it simply labels them, and that is enough to dismiss-- now cancel-- now actively persecute them
The students may be severely allergic to white bread, plain vanilla and mayonnaise on milquetoast.
" I don't think my classmates' current views should follow them after graduation, nor should they be subject to an online pile-on because of them."
Why not? It is the what your classmates currently advocate. Past speech is predictive of future speech, things we disagree with are always harmful beyond the pale, and it will always be so is their belief. So as they write, so it should be done unto them.
Once a journalist goes bad, can we ever again trust them? I think not.
If "[h]ateful rhetoric is violent and ... impermissible", then is seems to me that the Editorial Board has made the case for their own cancellation. Because that was one of the more hateful and bigoted pieces of "journalism" I've had the misfortune to read recently.
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For progressives, college students, and retards, reality is a mental construct with arbitrary and emotional rules. Its not hard to imagine that they truly believe merely hearing Pence speak, or even being aware that he is speaking to others on campus, poses a fatal personal danger.
It comes down to this: as an institute, or as a society, how much delusional fantasy are we willing to tolerate in people who are ostensibly adults? Sure, we can play libertarian and claim that people are entitled to their own beliefs. But only if the rest of us can tell them flat out how stupid they are, and that no matter how long they hold their breath, they are not getting what they want.
Something to ponder--anything going through academia becomes mainstream withing 20 years.
It's not enough to laugh this bullshit off. Universities are an active vector of social disease now.
My sense is that one of the reasons college students behave this way and adopt these ridiculous views is because in many ways they are separated from the outside world and its concerns. If we turn college into daycare for adults, then it's not surprising that the students act like children. I'm not sure exactly what the solution is, but part of it is probably holding students accountable for their actions.
They are.
They're also infantilized in high school. Even an 18 year old senior is treated by the school like a 11 year old in junior high, and colleges take over the roll. Like they're supposed to ease "kids" into being adults.
I don't know if any of this is true. Just my observation while yelling at the kids to get off my lawn.
For progressives, college students, and retards,
I think you're repeating yourself.
Having read the editorial, the most charitable interpretation I can come up with is that the editorial board believes that hearing Pence could lead the audience to take actions or support policies that threaten the safety of students. This doesn't make much sense though. Anyone who wants to hear Pence speak is probably already aware of (and largely shares) his views, and it seems really unlikely that he's going to win any converts among audience members who disagree with him. He's not exactly compelling.
But even if they somehow could get him barred from campus or shut down his speech, that wouldn't shut him up. There are many ways Pence can connect to an audience without setting foot on campus, so I'm not exactly sure what the editorial board is hoping to achieve here. If anything they're just drawing attention to him.
I detest the man. But, I would go hear him speak if would explain what serving in the Trump administration was really like and described in detail the events that lead up to the January 6 insurrection and what he was thinking and feeling as he heard some of his own constituents shouting to hang him.
Whatever one thinks of the guy, he was there at a pivotal moment in history with a front-row seat and in the end he chose loyalty to country over the man that put him in the VP's mansion.
I understand what you're saying, although I doubt that he would give an honest account of that event, if he chose to address it at all. Someone should have the opportunity to listen and find out for themselves though, without interference from a mob.
If you don't want to hear what Pence has to say, then don't attend. If you don't want anyone ELSE to hear what Pence has to say, go fuck yourself.
-jcr
I think at this point it should be blatantly obvious to anyone able to think beyond a 5th grade level that the entirety of Institutional education is morally, intellectually and materially bankrupt. As such it should be demolished for the rotten edifice that it is.
Kids need to get over it. There is no security issue with it. Let the man speak.
The first phase of a communist takeover is to kill the educators.
Maybe communism has one redeeming aspect.
(sorry, Tom, but your legacy has been perverted)
"a homophobic speaker"
First off, isn't he the guy who folded like a cheap suit and allowed LGBLTs the right to sue businesses who didn't validate their lifestyle?
Second off, even if he'd stood his ground on that issue - even if he'd gone to the mat for "traditional marriage" (which used to be just called "marriage"), that wouldn't mean he was scared of LGBLTs. If he were, he wouldn't be coming to speak at a woke institution.
As as to the claim by the Cavalier that he engages in hateful rhetoric - this is true only if you necessarily hate people whom you disagree with or whose preferred policies you won't want to enace.
So we see what the Cavalier is Cavalierly admitting - they themselves hate those they disagree with, so they assume everyone has that problem.
Finally, what's with calling your newspaper the Cavalier? It's presumably based on Virginia's Cavalier myth, which is racist and sexist and probably cis-ist as well:
"The Virginia Cavalier is a concept that attaches the qualities of chivalry and honor to the aristocratic class in Virginia history and literature. Its origin lies in the seventeenth century, when leading Virginians began to associate themselves with the Royalists, or Cavaliers, who fought for and remained loyal to King Charles I during the English Civil Wars (1642–1648). The myth gained popularity in nineteenth-century southern literature by authors such as George Tucker, William Alexander Caruthers, John Esten Cooke, and Mary Johnston, whose work presented a romanticized masculine portrait of the elite authority in Virginia in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries and expressed nostalgia for Virginia’s supposedly aristocratic origins. Tying into a history that progressed from patriarchal to paternal, the Cavalier myth reinforced the illusion of benevolent male authority during the antebellum and post–Civil War periods, and is still present in modern iconography depicting Virginia’s past. By circulating a version of Virginia history that is dominated by the ruling class, the Cavalier myth marginalizes the role that other groups played in the state’s social development and disregards the growth of the institution of slavery under an ethos of supposed honor and benevolence."
https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/virginia-cavalier-the/
Make the enemy play by its own book of rules.
Correction - folding like a cheap suit and allowing LGBLTs to sue businesses *was* homophobia. He was scared of the LGBLTs and their business allies.
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What a selective view of rights for the rights people. Newspapers have a right to advocate for not platforming a bigot. Got it? That's the first amendment too, you stupid cunts.
You are a bigot, you stupid cunt.
You are living proof that your kind have got to go. Dirty bunch of Marxists.
"When we similarly describe the presence of a homophobic speaker on an American college campus as life-threatening, we obfuscate what actually endangers LGBT Americans."
One of the #1 killers of LGBT teens is suicide. Having national leaders use their positions to reinforce negative stereotypes, ramp up homophobic rhetoric, and create an atmosphere where their constituents feel justified in dealing a little real, physical violence against LGBT people is a problem. I get how my fellow liberals sometimes use "violence" to refer to namecalling, "microaggressions," and support for institutionalizing bigotry in law, but these things do create an environment that leads many teens to suicide. Handwaving that away as not real violence goes a bit too far. The First Ammendment doesn't even cover speech that incites violence, which is recognition that speech can lead to physical harm.
Yet another variant of the heckler's veto - threatening to kill yourself if someone else gets to speak.
But calling something that *could* lead to an environment that *could* lead to suicide violence leaves everyone on the hook. Virtually everyone I know, including self-described liberals, has said something that could have contributed to that. Did it? I have no clue, but that's the other problem with this; it's impossible to test. This sort of accusation can't be rebutted.
I think of Cleavon Little pointing a gun to his head and threatening to shoot himself if the mob doesn't back away from him.
Yeah, but with a chain of events that is far less clear.
How times and attitudes change. I remember as a grad student at the University of Maryland how the university newspaper “The Diamondback” lobbied in support of the appearance of gay civil rights leader Bayard Rustin in September 1965. University officials wanted him to sign a “loyalty oath” before he would be permitted to speak. He refused. Maryland Governor Tawes initiated a police background check on him. Rustin said that should his invitation be rescinded, he would speak on a street corner. University President Elkins upheld his invitation. In a speech to the Parents’ Convocation, Elkins stated his belief that “the primary responsibility of the university is intellectual development.”
Rustin spoke at the University College Adult Education Center to a capacity audience. His speech evoked numerous reactions among students and Marylanders. He stated that he had refused to sign a loyalty oath because doing so would have been against his religious and civic convictions. He spoke for the expansion of voter registration and civil rights in the face of Jim Crow laws and oppression.
In an editorial, The Diamondback stated that “we believe that exposure to many diverse ideas is essential to a college education.” It applauded President Elkins’s decision to go forward with the invitation allowing Rustin to speak on campus.
It seems that today, students and student newspapers are fearful of having such speakers – regardless of political leanings – speak to students and faculty on important issues. I agree with Emma Camp that universities – especially publicly funded universities – should invite a broad spectrum of speakers and writers to address student audiences on important issues. And then they should be openly debated. What are students afraid of?