The Senate Unanimously Voted To Make Daylight Saving Time Permanent, a Great Idea
Daylight Saving Time should either be abolished or made permanent. Changing the clocks twice a year is madness.

In a rare example of Congress doing something that isn't totally useless or foolish, the Senate voted Tuesday to make Daylight Saving Time permanent. Impressively, the vote was unanimous.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R–Fla.), one of the bill's cosponsors, hailed its passage as a step in the right direction.
"Just this past weekend, we all went through that biannual ritual of changing the clock back and forth, and the disruption that comes with it," he said in a statement. "And one has to ask themselves after a while, 'Why do we keep doing it? Why are we doing this?' "
Why, indeed.
Twice a year, the government requires Americans to change the time on their clocks: In the fall we gain an hour, and in the spring we lose an hour. This ritual dates back to World War I, and its stated purpose was to encourage people to conserve energy. The thinking was that creating an extra hour of light during the evenings would lessen the need for electricity.
Regardless of the merits of that goal, changing the time twice a year has extreme downsides that far outweigh any benefit from gaining or losing light. As the Cato Institute's Scott Lincicome explained in his definitive takedown of the system, there are myriad reasons to oppose it.
"For starters, the semiannual time change results in all sorts of maladies in the days thereafter: car crashes and pedestrian deaths; workplace injuries; heart attacks and strokes; depression; and 'adverse medical events' because of 'human error,'" he wrote.
Lincicome favors abolishing Daylight Saving Time entirely rather than making it permanent. This question will be a matter of personal preference for many: Some people would rather have brighter mornings and darker evenings, while others like darker mornings and brighter evenings. I'd certainly prefer the latter, and thus I hope that the House passes a version of the Senate's bill and that President Joe Biden signs it.
But either way is much, much superior to what we have now. Changing the clocks twice a year does not conserve energy—it just makes people late (or early), throws off their sleeping schedules, causes depression and irate behavior, and leads to more accidents and deaths. Bravo to the Senate for striking an unexpected blow against pure insanity.
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About fucking time. Every single year, every person I know bitches about this but the USG hasn't given a single flying fuck.
Just a reminder of how long it takes to undue a bad law I guess.
It may have been good at the beginning. Regardless, it's time has passed.... No pun intended.
Daylight savings what?
HA! Yeah.
No seriously. What the fuck is all this nonsense about. People wake up Sunday mornings to change their clocks?
We get it. You're from Arizona.
Look at Mr. fancy pants from Arizona and his one time zone.
Just a sense of lazy out here.
Well, yes. You're supposed to change your clocks at 2 a.m. Isn't that what we all do?
But which 2am? You set the clock back to 1am, get up an hour later, do it again ... when do you stop?
It never ends!
It works well where I’m from.
All the rural kids waiting in the dark for the bus will thank you, especially since it is cold as well as dark.
Fuck, we waited in the dark and cold even with time changes.
You had a bus?
Until I got my driver's license. It was three miles to school. It was still a half mile to the bus stop. After I got my driver's license my parents had me drive, because of sports and my job. They didn't even give me a choice. We had an activity bus, but it didn't stop near our house so my parents had to come get us and it didn't run on game nights, so they had to come get us, which was especially a bitch after away games. Our closest opponent was 50 miles away, our furthest was almost 200 miles away.
Sounds like where the wife and I are living in Texas. Wide open spaces (for now) which are getting harder and harder to find as California empties.
It's no different here where I live now, Northeast Montana, except some of the away games are even further away. Often overnighters.
Fuck them kids.
(Calm down, it's a meme)
Nothing will matter soon anyway since globalist oligarchs are determined to finish us off by forcing world war 3, which will likely go nuclear.
"Fuck them kids."
Easy there, SPB . . .
honestly its still a pain in the ass because i have to try and remember how many hours ahead/behind i am from coworkers in texas and california.
We finally told the east coaster suppliers to deal with it and set our calendars and meetings to mountain standard. Now their meeting times change instead of us changing them.
Stay in standard time. We are not farmers or work in factories anymore without electric light anymore. Just change your work hours during the seasons. This was always madness anyway.
I don’t care which one we go with, just stick with it all year.
The OCD in me would prefer get rid of summer time, but the pragmatic in me says I don't give a rat's ass which, just get rid of the switchover.
We still go outside. Why does it make sense for there to be light when most people are sleeping?
And people can't just change their work hours
In suburban Taxachusetts, I'm the only one outside most of the time. And Johnny and Suzie never go out after supper to play ball with Dad. They never go out at all. So why bother?
re: "And people can't just change their work hours"
Actually, you can. Talk to your boss. Organize your coworkers. Lobby the school board. Do all the same things that had to be done to create the damn mistake in the first place and unwind them.
Or you could wake up and do something useful with your morning instead of sleeping while the sun is shining. Get some exercise. Make love to your significant other. Clean the house. You don't have to choose to sleep until just before it's time to race to the office.
Depends on where you live. Most of Eastern time zone would be better off staying in standard time all year. Those of us who live on the eastern edge of central time will do better with DST all year. The whole problem is that time zones are artificial creations.
And it didn't even make sense back in a predominantly agricultural period. Farmers got up with the sun, they always have, they always will. The Daylight Saving doesn't give you an extra hour, it just steals it from the morning. It would be like pretending we had another month of summer because we moved January after July.
Maybe stop hanging out with whiny ass little bitches.
Meanwhile, something truly important like running up a $30 trillion debt is basically ignored by both parties.
Not completely ignored. They're working on making it 31 trillion.
You can floor the accelerator without looking at the speedometer.
I do.
But at least they gave themselves a raise and $14b for Ukraine
Nevermind. Add another b
https://twitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1503875216291909643?t=Hk7rRyBsQE6VGsb89vGviQ&s=19
BIDEN TO ANNOUNCE $1B IN NEW MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE WED.: WSJ
This is after $14b just approved for our dear friends the fucking Ukrainians
I hope they are using that money to protect the climate.
It will be very funny when we lose the reserve currency or there are multiple reserve currencies. I wonder how DC will spin that and who to blame?
The one silver lining might be that people will finally be willing to take the necessary actions to rid ourselves of the Marxists and save the country.
Lots of light posts that need a decoration
They don't ignore it. They literally laugh at it. Both sides. Literally both sides. It was both sides that contributed to the two largest spending bills in all of human history.
And it's not new. Remember when both McCain and Obama were bragging about how they would spend more than the other if elected? And how people voted based on how much they promised the spend?
That attitude gave rise to the Tea Party. The mission was to rein in spending. And people started to pay attention. But within a few months they had been infiltrated and didn't give a shit anymore about spending. Just surface tax cuts and keeping brown skinned people out of the country.
Right, because the only concern with illegal immigration was skin color, dumbass.
does anybody really know what time it is?
does anybody really care?
It's the time of the season.
I'm just ticking away the moments that make up the dull day...
Time is relative. The more relatives you are with, the slower time goes.
We should be Living on Tulsa Time.
I should be spending time with tulsi.
Yes, we could all use a little ‘Tulsi time’.
Half past a monkey's ass, quarter to his balls
Time is a valuable thing
Watch it fly by as the pendulum swings
Watch it count down to the end of the day
The clock ticks life away
Isn't it time?
I just looked at my watch, and it's twenty five or six to four.
It's Hammer time!
Time has come today.
From Reuters:
The Senate approved the measure, called the Sunshine Protection Act, unanimously by voice vote. The House of Representatives, which has held a committee hearing on the matter, still must pass the bill before it can go to President Joe Biden to sign. The White House has not said whether Biden supports it.
Old people tend to wake up early, so Biden may not be on board with this.
More likely, by the time he signs it, we'll be on standard time again and so have to change it one more time.
Anyway, it goes by state laws, but they should fall into line. My preference is for standard time, because then noon is the middle of the day, and midnight the middle of the night, if you're in the middle of the time zone. But I'll take either one to avoid changing twice a year. People want to be earlier or later, they can just change their schedule rather than the measuring stick.
I prefer daylight savings time during hunting season because I don't have to get up so early to beat sunrise, especially later in the season. But for farm work during winter it really doesn't matter, because it's dark in the morning and the evening no matter which time we are using.
I worry about sunrise more for duck hunting than for deer hunting. I've shot the majority of my deer and elk either midmorning or late afternoon. Deer will feed and drink early in the morning, especially as it nears full moon, lay down and ruminate and then get up and feed and drink some more midmorning. Lay back down and get active again late afternoon. Actually, most ruminants follow a similar pattern. Both my cows and my kids' sheep follow a similar pattern.
Don't tell shrike how to hunt kids.
Don't you just go to sleep and get up whenever you want? What does the clock have to do with it?
Changing times sucks, but DST just doesn't live up to the hype. Sure, the fools in NYC and DC get more daylight in the evening, but what are they doing with it? As best I can tell, most of the country is inside 24 hrs / day watching TV or playing video games. Meanwhile, those of us who have stuff to do twice each day outside need some light in the morning too. Permanent DST means the sun will be coming up in Boston at 8:15 in January, and about and hour later in Ohio. How's that going to work? As to energy savings, with a major draw on electric being AC, wouldn't you want sundown as early as possible to take advantage of natural cooling as much as possible?
Yes, kill the switching back and forth, but do it right and get rid of DST.
The good news is, even if we go to permanent DST, it won't last once people get a taste of it for real. At least, it never has before (after WWI, WWII and the 1970's energy crisis).
(And btw, how 'bout if we do keep on switching, move the spring switch about a month later and protect our morning light in March? I fraking hate that it's back to 7:15 sunrise for a few weeks after I've had a taste of 6:15.)
So the sun coming up at 4:06 AM in Boston in June is better?
Depends on where you live. The sun position isn't much different for me in Pensacola (Central time) and those in Tallahassee (Eastern time), but our clocks are an hour off. (Noon time varies between the two by
The other thing is that solar noon changes time due to the changing angle of sun. For example, here in Pensacola, solar noon (in Standard time) can be as late as 12:03 pm and as early as 11:32 am.
What time is solar noon at the north pole?
I don't recall if it was Hank "Will Guam capsize?" Johnson or not, but I do seem to recall that there was at least one representative who *actually* believed that Daylight Savings Time added an actual hour of sunlight to our days.
When one's only marketable skill is instinctively knowing where the nearest microphone is, there's really no need for a brain.
You mean it doesn't?
More telling Sunshine Protection Act
Who do these people think they are? Are they protecting us from the sun or the sun from the dark? Just call it the fucking Daylight Savings Time change. Dishonest at every opportunity, even something as simple as this.
Jesus what a bunch of assholes.
The White House has not decided yet whether Biden supports it. Biden himself will never know whether he supports it or not.
"In a rare example of Congress doing something that isn't totally useless or foolish"
This is the kind of stuff that should open all Reason articles.
"...or counterproductive"
Some day...
...over the rainbow...
Saving daylight is a good thing for Biden. You know, on account of his sundowning.
totes forgot this gives Brandon an extra hour of end-of-day efficiency
Maybe he'll be able to make to 11am now
Every year on social media, I enjoy posting the Daylight Saving trailer. But I'll happily give up that minor pleasure if it means we finally do away with the time-switching nonsense!
Very funny. "What time is it !?!?!?!?!?!?!"
Permanent? Permanent? As in, can only be changed when the sun supernovas?
The libertarian thing would be to do away with a set time, because it's not the government's job to tell me what time it is!!!
Fingers crossed that Indiana continues switching on-and-off DST for the next 50 yrs. just to fuck with people.
Actually, for a variety of reasons, setting time zones is an important consideration and arguably a government concern. The first time zones derived from the need for accurate navigational charts and maps. Measuring the angle of the sun at noon, compared to a clock set to a fixed time was necessary for calculating longitude. Having fixed time zones was also necessary for safely and efficiently scheduling travel such as rail and air travel. Finally, having a fixed time is important for military operations. When overseas, operations are ran on time Zulu (Greenwich Mean Time) and time Lima (local time). Time changes on the other hand are just stupid.
Not widely known, but China has one time zone, centered on Beijing.
When you get to Kashgar, you need to ask whether a stated time is the official or some local standard.
No. Setting an official time is exactly the type of thing government is for. You can’t set an official time schedule individually. It has to be done centrally.
If government doesn’t do it, someone else will. (Originally it was railroads.) Having the representatives of the people set the official time is better than alternatives.
Establishing standards of weights and measures is a legitimate role of government for even the most ardent libertarian. "Time" is one of those measures.
We have a winner in the category: "Which one of you actually knows what Congress is authorized to do?"!
And yet our time zones were actually set by the railroads. Almost like congress is a follower not a leader. But that is as it should be.
Abolish it. The sun should be due south at noon (in the center of the time zone). If you want your extra hour of daylight in the evening, just go to work an hour earlier.
But it's more fun to pretend what time it is!
You can set your clocks that way.
Going to work at an earlier time doesn’t change business schedules.
So get consensus to change the business schedules. Convince your boss (or your union) to change the start time to something you like. It makes no sense to change the definition of "noon".
Bingo! The time zones were where they were for precisely the reason you point out. Just cancel the stupid idea, instead of the whole country being an hour off.
Most of China is one time zone. So enlightened.
But head over to the +12/-12 region of the globe. It's mostly the Pacific. But you will find the craziest time zones and shit. +13, +11.5, WTF? Of course here in the good old US of A we have time zones that bisect states. Why?
Properly speaking the time zones should be 15 degrees of longitude wide. (360 degrees divided by 24 hrs) which begin at Greenwich, England (Zero meridian). We modify that somewhat due to state boundaries, and our border between Eastern and Central time is about two states west of where it should be (Should be at the longitude of New Orleans, not Tallahassee). New England should be in Atlantic time, not Eastern time.
How White Supre.acist of the Senate and Robby. What about all the BIPOC people who don't concern themselves with the time social construct?
Well, the house is working on a natural hair bill for them.
Robbie just fucked this up somehow like he fucked up endorsing Romney. If he is for it they will add 5 new time shifts.
You spend all your life alienating entire races of people and then act surprised when they don't want to practice your culture.
Aren't we teetering on the edge of World War III?
All but guaranteed at this point.
Oh, we have a new conspiracy theory that's already coming true.
As one sharp observer said, "they lowered the goalposts". Gee, I wonder what condition over the last 24 months might have led to the lowering of the expectations for language learning in young children...
Speaking of which, this is what concerns us in Seattle:
"Masks work!"
FYI, the box of masks I bought and keep in the car-- surgical type I bought from Bartell's, says, and I quote:
"98%* Effective"
Then in very, VERY VERRRRRRRRRRRY tiny print on the back of the box at the end of the WARNINGS section:
"*98% effective when tested for Bacterial efficacy and particulate efficacy"
The word "virus" does not appear on the package. Anywhere.
People have no idea how tiny a virus is.
To be fair, the virus does not have wings. It does not travel through a mask unaccompanied.
The little fuckers are carried within sputum, which is much, much larger.
But still much much smaller than anything surgical masks are designed to stop
That depends. Aerosols consist of a great variety of particle sizes.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2/figures/1
We were taught as children not to sneeze in another's face for a reason, right?
There are a thousand (or more) reasons why masks are not effective at preventing the spread of the things like the WuFlu but those that state masks do nothing to reduce the amount of snot flying from your face are incorrect. Just like those who claimed that the mask would stop the virus were wrong.
Viruses rarely spread without being on a particle.
Like masking and lockdowns, we're going our own way, thank you very much
Uh, again, DST-culturally illiterate Hoosier, here but isn't this what is being said? We well all spring forward one final time, permanently.
Or are the big brains in WA going to spring forward every spring permanently? Like time travel.
With the major issue of the day taken care of, they might take a look at a few trivial matters:
A member of the executive branch conspiring with terrorists and narcotics kings to make a mint off oil imports.
A few trillion in debt / inflation.
"someone" (Trump or Putin?) attacking the entire energy sector of the economy.
An executive agency issuing emergency orders in the absence of an emergency. (hint, it is identified by 3 initials)
It's really not that trivial, at least 18 states have laws pending to stay on DST permanently but are barred from doing such by federal law, which only allows you to stay on standard time. It's also the best time to do it, as it is pertinent at this time. Finally, if they're debating this, they aren't spending time spending more money.
It is trivial because if those states really want to stay on one time standard as you say there is nothing stopping them from staying on standard time (other than the fact that staying on standard time is associated with those "backward" hicks in red states)
And I'm fairly certain any stay-on-daylight-time bill that passes the house will allocate a few billion dollars to spent on marketing and awareness
Huh, my youtube feed doesn't seem to have the 'approved covid-19 news feed' any more. Going to have to watch this and see if it's just an anomaly or if the Pandemic Is Over.
Nope, the overreacting may be over, but cases are spiking again in New Zealand, Asia and Europe, from a new subvariant of Omicron. Should hit the states big time in June I predict.
The vaccines have been working wonders!
China just locked down like 70m people.
I'm hearing some sportsball player who compared his league to being in the "slave trade" is... begging them for another job.
"Give me the lash!"
I was all for it until I heard the vote was unanimous. Now it is sus.
Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDmWYVdN8ug
Or the PRC?
Officially, one. Beijing time. Unofficially, every man has his own time zone.
You mean Russia? And before or after annexation of Ukraine?
Wouldn't make any difference. The westernmost time zone was the old city of Kaliningrad, once a part of Prussia.
I support any proposal that keeps it bright out at 7:00 PM.
Most of the "maladies" are hype. But daylight time all year would be great
Arizona has been on permanent Standard Time since 1967, but our two US Senators voted for permanent Daylight Time?
Proof that Kyrsten Sinema and Mark Kelly have absolutely no clue.
It'd be better for Arizona to adopt DST if every other state is on it, after this.
Mark Kelly is brain dead.
Daylight time is better, unless you like sunrise at 4 am in the morning.
Which is conceivable, but most people are asleep then and it's silly to waste sunlight on people who aren't even awake
Oh look; The Federal KINGS think it's their job to tell time for everyone.... Because that's what Power-Mad Kings do; usurps ALL power reserved for the States and/or Communities....
And all the Power just keeps centralizing on one central government, one central executive office, once central president... Bow down and worship the KING......
So standardized weights and measures, including time, is totalitarianism? Yeah, no. Having standard weights and measures is one of the few functions government should do. Without them you have anarchy, not libertarianism.
To conduct business, interstate travel, especially by mass transit such as rail and air, for military operations, for technology, for communication, for shipping, for navigation, etc you have to have a standardized time system. The first were set by private entities, and then adopted by the states.
Having 50 or more separate time zones nationally would be disastrous. It may have worked in the day when foot and horse dominated (but even then it did create problems, especially for calculating longitude, which wasn't solved until everyone agreed to use Greenwich Mean Time as the standard, before that almost every country had their own longitude, setting it to noon of either their capital or their home port. This made accurate navigation damn near impossible especially when using foreign charts.
"This made accurate navigation damn near impossible especially when using foreign charts."
Mussolini made the trains run on time. How can you be free if others control your time?
And you read "weights and measures" as "time"???
Granite; it's small - but it's the direction that's appalling.
Arizona never adopted Daylight Savings Time and I think as a Sovereign State of the Union had EVERY right to do that per the X Amendment.
Time is a measure. It most definitely is. So yes it's a weight and measure.
I disagree. An hour is 60-minutes.. That's a measurement.
Writing legislation that says all pigs must be sold as 300lbs isn't a standard of measurement.
What the hell are you talking about? Yes, time is a measurement. The base measurement is the second - and it is a proper function of government to set a standard that we all agree on for how long that is. The same is true for temperature - it is a proper function of government to set a standard for one degree (F or C or both as long as the definitions are reconcilable). And like temperature, it is also appropriate for government to set a standard for where "zero" is.
Setting minimum sales weights for pigs may be a legitimate exercise of the Commerce Clause (I don't think it is but our courts apparently disagree) but that has nothing to do with establishing weights and measures. And unless I'm missing something, nobody but you has suggested that it did.
The Commerce Clause if for State -to- State trade... By your definition the entire market is under federal authority.....
The F and C are measurement of weather; Not weather itself.
It's the same with measurement of Time and "THE TIME" itself.
The feds aren't legislating the measurement of time; they are legislating the Time itself.
"Yes, time is a measurement."
No, seconds, hours etc are measurements of time.
Feet and yards are measurements of distance. Distance itself is no more a measurement than time is.
The best reason for brighter mornings has to do with children.
They should not be having to wait for the school bus in pitch dark. It can be dangerous. But that could be remedied by having the school day start an hour later. There are probably many reasons parents won't like that - and it probably has to do with getting the kids off to school by 8 AM and then getting themselves to work by 9 AM. But that, too, could be remedied by allowing working parents to begin their work day later - but wait...
All of this makes the three-day weekend even more important than it already is!
In a good portion of the country kids wait in the dark for school about half the school year anyhow, even with clock adjustments.
I grew up in North Idaho, now live in Northeast Montana, standard time only adds about a week or two of daylight in the morning before the darkness overtakes the morning. We lose daylight pretty quickly after fall equinox and by November it's dark early no matter how you adjust the clock.
So the Senate and everybody here applauding permanent DST is a complete effing moron. (Yeah, I'm shocked, shocked.) Turn on the Wayback Machine, Sherman, and go back all the way to 1974 and the Emergency Daylight Saving Time Energy Conservation Act, which lasted all of ... ten months. Morons I say, morons.
I make this point somewhere here also..... we've done this before, and once permanent DST is in place, people start screaming for standard time again (not just me, but enough that congress pays attention).
A lot of things have changed in 40 years.
This will be one of them.
You're right, but in this case, it will favor standard time even more. People have become complete wusses, so the "we can't have kids getting on the bus in the dark" argument will prevail even more certainly. Not saying I agree with that part, just predicting the outcome.
Isn't DST the wrong time? Leave it to Congress. Anyway, I guess I'm one of the few who will miss changing the clocks twice a year. I look forward to Spring and adding the extra hour in the evening. And getting that extra hour of sleep in the fall. At least we'll still have daylight after 10pm in the summer which I especially love in these parts.
My favorite day of basic training was when we changed back to standard time. Since it was a Sunday, we didn't have PT so got an extra hour of sleep, and then the clocks changed so we actually got two extra hours of sleep. And because I didn't have fireguard the night before I actually got a whole 6 hours of sleep.
My nephew tells me they only do PT now 3 days a week and they get 6 hours almost every night. God the Army is going soft.
What’s the old joke about DST? Cutting one end off a blanket and sewing it to the other to make it longer?
The senate also unanimously voted to declare Putin a war criminal, which is either ridiculously hypocritical "virtue" signaling or bars any possibility of what would've likely been a negotiated peace.
They've condemned us to world war 3 over corrupt globalist oligarchy interests in Ukraine.
Fuck them, and fuck anyone lending them moral support.
On the flip side a member of the Russian parliament is demanding the return of Alaska, Ft. Ross California (that I may agree with, if they take nearby San Francisco too) and reparations. It's all stupidity and our Senate doesn't have a monopoly on stupid right now.
I don't care if we leave it at DST or standard time, I just want them to decide on a fucking standard and stick with it. I've lived everywhere from Alaska to Texas, and outside the southern states, it is a wash on sunrise. Once fall equinox rolls around, for us in the north, daylight disappears so quickly it really doesn't matter, and it's dark in December no matter what time we use.
I agree. Pick one or the other.
People don't seem to understand that days get longer in the summer. It's not like this was created out of spite. We go from like 7 hours of sunlight to like 17
Without Daylight Savings time, it would start to get light at 4 am where I live (St. Louis). Why should there be several hours of sunlight before people wake up?
Leaving it on permanently is the best solution, although I also like the idea where that is the normal and will still add or subtract an hour.
So get up earlier and go out and work in the garden in the morning before you go to work and while it's still cool, rather than at the end of the day when you're tired and it's hot.
What GroundTruth said. If you want to sleep while the sun is shining, that's your problem. And it's equally true whether you want that sleep to be in the morning or evening. Get up and make something useful of your day.
Clocks are for city people really. Growing up in farming and ranching, I can tell you, the cows don't care what the clock says. They get up at sunrise, whatever the clock says, and they lie down at night, whatever time that is.
Most of rural America doesn't live by the clock. That's for city folk.
Yep, but I still prefer to have them calve during the day rather than at night.
Most of rural America doesn't live by the clock. That's for city folk.
I think you mean people who work for other people. There are plenty in rural America who live by their boss' clock.
"That's for city folk.."
Unfortunately soap too.
Abolishing DLS time would be a good start. Now if only we could do away with those stupid time zones.
Doing away with tome zones will cause something close to havoc in interstate commerce. How would you like to devise the schedules for planes, trains and buses without time zones? That subject was why time zones were established in the first place. But they don't need to be cast in concrete by Federal law.
Clocks are tools of capitalist exploitation.
It should be abolished rather than made permanent. What good is it to pretend it's an hour later? The evenings aren't any lighter; you're just lying about what time it is.
I do not mind daylight savings time e in summer, but DST in winter, in a northern state is a terrible idea.
Personally, I would prefer Standard Time. Any State can vote to go on Standard Time (HI and AZ) all the time and skip the Federal Government altogether. The Federal Government shouldn't be able to dictate time. Why shift the clock by an hour by dictates of the Washington DC elites? Power should return to the States and be removed from Washington DC.
+100000000
Yes, I agree.
"The Sunshine Protection Act of 2022” - what a stupid name. As if we'll have more of it, or it's in danger. Somebody wasn't paying attention in their General Science class.
Sorry, "2022" -> 2021.
The governing class is so clownish now with this type of rhetorical flourish that it is beyond our ability to parody.
Making lots of sense, the time zones were set up so that, at least approximately, when it's noon in the middle of a zone the Sun is at its highest, shadows point to North, etc. "Approximately," because the edges of the zones are often not meridians, they follow political boundaries. I wish the bill would establish permanent Standard Time.
Absolutely!
From what I have read about the bill so far, states and territories that currently opt out of DST will still be exempted. I hope that any other state will be able to opt out, too.
Comments here are similar to what I hear other places, about 2:1 favoring killing DST completely and going to permanent standard time. Of course, I'm guessing that drops to about 3:2 once a few folks get clear that standard time is closer to sun time (noon is the crossing of the sun of the meridian at about the center of the time zone) and that DST is not "summer time", nor is it "natural time" (whatever the heck that means) but rather shifting from the above definition of standard time.
Credit is due the environmental movement for making lighting too cheap to need saving daylight at a vast cost in confusion.
A hundred watts used to be one lightbulb. Now it's a well-lit house that's way cheaper to air condition, because the air conditioner doesn't have to fight off a kilowatt of incandescent bulb heat before it can get started dealing with the weather.
Thanks to solid state physics, LED lighting is ahead of global warming on points.
This was never about the energy of lighting. Yes, that's what they sold it as but it was false when first rolled out.
Once you have electric lighting, people stay up and do things for more hours than the sun is in the sky. It doesn't matter whether those hours occur at the front of the day or the back. It's the same hours. Aggregate energy consumption does not actually change due to Daylight Savings Time.
Bunch of crybabys. It. Is. One. Hour.
People act as if they are losing half a day.
Because gov't cannot give an hour of daylight to the evening without stealing it from the morning.
Nor can gov't give an hour to the Fall without stealing it from the Spring.
Just goes to show that government policy only makes sense when it dismantles its own older, failed policy. So, never. Or once in 100 years or so. Hey, does this mean we can dismantle that other mess of Federal policy hanging on from just around WWI?
If daylight savings time becomes permanent, hope you don't mind going to work or sending your kids to school in December when it's still dark and sunrise isn't until 8:30. This was tried in the late 1970s. Daylight savings time started in January. Parents didn't like sending their kids to school when it was still dark. It was changed back the next year. Most of the comments I've seen don't take this into account.
The period for standard time (early November to early March) is only about four months. It used to be six months long.
Die hard early risers can gain a year of sunlight per lifetime by moving to the east side of their time zone
Make that morning sun
Staying on Standard Time all year long would be even better.
The US tried permanent DST in the mid-1970s in a non-sensical attempt to save energy. The result was that during the winter adults were heading to work, and children walking to school, before sunrise. I remember sitting in my first-period class and watching the sunrise. Whatever energy was saved in the evening was wasted every morning. It wasn't exactly safe heading off to school before dawn -- kids were hurt and killed.
We have portable phone numbers. It's about time we had portable time zones as well. Let your phone figure it out.
As someone who has lived on the very western edge of the Eastern time zone most of my life, I would be happy to not have it be light until after 10pm in the summer, so please get rid of time changing, but do the right thing, get rid of DST.
As always, DC can't be trusted to do something right.