Americans Are Tired of War. They Don't Want One in Ukraine.
According to a new YouGov/Concerned Veterans for America poll, veterans and military families are most opposed to U.S. conflict with Russia.

Tensions at the Ukraine-Russia border have risen dramatically in the last few days. Friday saw reports that Russian President Vladimir Putin had allegedly decided to invade Ukraine. The same day, U.S. President Joe Biden ordered the deployment of 3,000 combat troops to Poland to join the several thousand American soldiers already gathering in nearby NATO nations. The U.S. State Department has told nonemergency employees of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv to leave due to the "potential for significant military action."
Biden also took steps over the weekend to defuse hostilities. During a one-hour call Saturday, he warned Putin of the potential for "widespread human suffering" if Russia invades, noting that the U.S. is "equally prepared" for situations other than diplomacy. But just before that call took place, the Pentagon moved to withdraw nearly 160 members of the Florida National Guard from Ukraine, repositioning them elsewhere in Europe.
Biden has thus far seemed uninterested in putting American boots directly on the ground in Ukraine. That is a good thing, and it reflects the American public's broad skepticism toward risking conflict with Russia.
According to a new poll conducted by Concerned Veterans for America (CVA) and YouGov, 49 percent of the general population does not favor the U.S. going to war with Russia if it invades Ukraine. Only 9 percent strongly favor U.S. military involvement to counter Russia, while 15 percent somewhat favor it. A little more than a quarter of respondents were "not sure" if the U.S. should go to war. Opposition to conflict came in at 44 percent and 46 percent for independents and Democrats, respectively; for Republicans, it was 57 percent.
And the strongest opposition to military engagement over Ukraine comes from individuals with military ties.
Among the veterans surveyed, 60 percent opposed a U.S. war with Russia. For members of military families, the figure was 52 percent. Military families and veterans were also more likely than the general population to say there should be fewer troops stationed in Europe. A whopping 80 percent of veterans said European countries should spend more on their own defense rather than relying on the U.S., compared to 63 percent of military family members and 52 percent of the general population.
Dan Caldwell, senior adviser to CVA, says these results are unsurprising. "Based on our interactions with people in the veteran community and the polling we've done over the past several years," he explains, "we have seen pretty consistently high numbers of veterans being supportive of ending our current wars, not starting new ones, and also being supportive of a less militarized foreign policy."
Caldwell notes that veterans and military families have a deep knowledge of the costs and implications of U.S. military adventurism. "This community has borne the brunt of our wars over the past 20 years," Caldwell says. "I don't think it's surprising that they would be more wary than the general population of a new war, this time with nuclear-armed Russia, over Ukraine."
American opposition to war with Russia is part of a greater trend of war-weariness.
Pluralities or majorities of all groups surveyed by YouGov/CVA supported a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq—including 58 percent of veterans and 55 percent of military families. A staggering 82 percent of survey respondents believe that current U.S. military engagement in the world should be reduced or stay the same.
"If you look at the polling done around the Afghanistan withdrawal, even after the chaotic final evacuation you still had the vast majority of Americans believing it was the right decision to withdraw," says Caldwell. A poll conducted by The Hill and HarrisX last spring found that 73 percent of registered voters supported Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal plan. Even as the Taliban took over the country, 54 percent of respondents to a Pew Research Center survey said the withdrawal was the right decision.
Americans are largely tired of war. Recognizing that our recent conflicts have been costly and ineffective, they have little appetite for a new one in Ukraine. If the general public's opposition isn't convincing enough, take it from the veterans and military families who know what a war with Russia would entail.
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When is WW3 scheduled?
And where are the principled Iraq war critics now? Too busy bashing Canadian truckers?
I suspect they're focused on "domestic terrorism," which would be any sort of hooliganism that is not of their tribe.
"When is WW3 scheduled?"
Just before midterms. The elected officials will be far too busy with this mortal threat to America to focus on campaigning, so the midterms will have to be delayed.
So, WW3 in exactly 266 days. Calendar marked.
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When is WW3 scheduled?
Did you miss it? Trump killed Soleimani and the world erupted into flames.
I remember that. Everyone died.
Except for your grandma, Trump killed her with COVID.
"This is how Trump could start World War III"
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/354994-this-is-how-trump-could-start-world-war-iii
Except nothing happened...
World War III came and went with The Cold War. World War IV is/was? The War On Terror.
C'mon, Man. get your (Fill in the blank)-Asias right.
I foresee nothing to gain and a lot to lose if we were to engage militarily with Russia. Which means short of directly attacking a member of NATO [and maybe not even then] no military response from us to anything they do.
Now insert China for Russia and Taiwan for Ukraine. That will be a "new world order."
Are you sure there is little to lose with Russia and China conquering Ukraine and Taiwan?
No I am not at all sure of that; there will definitely be the loss of democratic countries to tyranny and significant repercussions, but are you willing to see us go to war with major powers over them? The Invasion of Poland v 2.0? [even then the US stayed out of it until Pearl Harbor was bombed and Germany declared war on us].
I think Russia conquering Ukraine will make the world a more dangerous place. I think it makes an eventual war with Russia and China far morec likely and a more destructive and deadly one
Hardly. Given that 'ukraine' has been more or less part of Russia for roughly 350 - 400 years and its current configuration is an accident of Soviet history and the internal screwed up politics of that regime, I scarcely see how ukraine being annexed to Russia makes the world more dangerous.
A good portion of those living in Ukraine consider themselves to the Russian, especially toward the east.
The border, like that of eastern Germany and Poland has been 'fluid' for quite some time.
That's not true. Are you a Russian troll? What's your source for that statement?
It makes Russia bigger. That alone makes the world a more dangerous place.
Why do you not capitalize Ukraine?
Lol
Not really.
Europe circa 1600:
https://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1600/index.html
Breaking the order that European states do not conquer each other does not make the world more dangerous is an act of willful
blindness.
Little to lose for Americans, yes.
No doubt it would suck to be in those places when the shit hits the fan, doesn't seem like our problem though. Our foreign policy should be about what's good for us, not what's good for a bunch of people we aren't even allied with.
What exactly would change for the average American should Russia just completely annex the Ukraine tomorrow?
Ukraine, Taiwan, or any place the unrestricted superpowers known as China and Russia want to colonize. A very different world order is emerging; if we are not willing to fight the battle [and in most cases I am not at all sure that we should] why wouldn't they step in and take over? As it is I imagine China will be content to have compliant governments in places like Africa, and how those banana republics treat their own populace will be of no concern to them [and given their own very recent history why would it?].
Right, and my point is why is China and Russia doing those things bad for us? I don't doubt it's bad for lots of people, I also don't care about lots of people.
I can see an argument of how this will snowball and encourage future aggression. We can address that when it actually happens to something/someone we give a shit about. We still have enough might that we can afford to wait, it's not like the Ukraine makes Russia so strong that we have to fight now or risk never being able to stand up to them. Same with Taiwan/China, if the new territory doesn't substantially change what a shooting war would look like why start the war now?
In refutation of the old domino theory; I recall the US presence in Vietnam on the justification that communists would use is as a springboard to the moon.
NATO was formed post WW2 as an alliance of nations in response to that conflict, and did not come into its own until Korea and then to contain the Soviet Bloc. All primarily at the expense of the US. After that ended I've wondered what purpose it really serves; perhaps a determination of when and for whom the US gets into a shooting war could be it's legacy.
Ukraine's main exports are iron, steel, mining products, agricultural products, chemical products and machinery. Those are all easily replaced elsewhere.
Taiwan is the center of the world's semiconductor industry. A war there would be disastrous for the whole world's economy.
"Are you sure there is little to lose with Russia and China conquering Ukraine and Taiwan?"
For the US? YES.
Next question, please.
BTW, many who live in Ukraine would prefer to be Russians; that border has been highly migratory.
Taiwanese are decidedly NOT mainlanders.
Just so you don't keep making false equivalences...
Again an antiwar take with no discussion about what the "tensions" surrounding Ukraine are about, and what effects Russia getting their way by invading Ukraine on the situation in Europe. Appeasement is no guarantee of future peace.
And no discussion on how pursuing NATO membership for Ukraine might be seen as a provocation.
Do you think the USA would have called Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact as just another mutual defense treaty?
How is Ukraine wanting to defend itself a provocation?
Why would Mexico want to join the Warsaw Pact?
"Shelling civilian neighborhoods daily is totes a globalist-aligned government's right"
I missed in history where Mexico was taken over by the US, then broke away.
I guess you missed the whole USSR in the history books. If Ukraine wanted to be with Russia, it would be. Yes, I realize Eastern Ukraine has ties to Russia.
"Appeasement" is a wonderful term for those who would involve us in wars the world over.
Come on this is Reason. If Ukraine would have open borders, no cops, and a good drug policy this would all be avoided
But, admit it, you like the thought of it, don't you? I mean, it gives you such future opportunities to wallow in self righteous indignation, and railing against a war allows Reason to pretend to be a little libertarian again.
Of course, that's all make believe. You knew full well that this is what came along with your lesser-of-two-evil choice for president: a return to political norms and an end to mean tweets.
Because really nothing is more normal for traditional, opportunistic politicians like Biden than to boost their failing ratings with a bit of saber rattling, and if a few tens of thousands of soldiers and civilians die in the process, hey, that's not Biden's fault.
You'd rather have Trump threatening nuclear war?
I thought Trump loved Putin? Why would he threaten nukes?
Oh yeah. I forgot.
Hmmm, interesting point. Trump does have an affinity for dictators.
I wonder... yeah, Trump would likely be saying "Why you massing all those troops, friend? We're not going to get in your way."
And there in a nutshell, you reveal what a vile war monger you are.
Letting Putin have Ukraine isn’t about making Putin happy, it’s about not wasting American lives on a piece of land that don’t concern us.
Let the Europeans fight over Ukraine: it’s not our business.
And there in a nutshell, you reveal what a vile war monger you are.
Um ok. Tell me more about what I think. Don't bother to ask.
I don’t believe you’re a warmonger. I do believe you are largely driven by your pathological hatred for Trump.
Yeah. Sure. Whatever you say.
Revealed preferences are far more informative than stated preferences.
Sarc, I love it when you admit how full of it you are.
How many wars did Trump start again? Remember when everyone said Trump was Putin's puppet. Like when he banned fracking on federal lands, canceled pipelines, etc...oh wait.
Yes, I’d rather have Trump threatening nuclear war without actually going to war than Biden mumbling something incomprehensible and millions dying as a result.
See, in order for deterrence to work, you actually have to instill fear into your enemy.
Putin isn't afraid of anyone. Trump isn't Reagan.
Trump was unpredictable; that instilled fear in people.
Biden is predictably senile and incompetent; that encourages Putin and Xi.
Adults in charge.
Yes, a return to normality: neocons, technocrats, and corporate elites in charge.
Fact check: the USA has no control over whether or not there is a war in Ukraine.
All we have control over is if we get involved.
It’s time for the deranged neoliberal globalists of the west to drop this stupid, dangerous fantasy of bringing Ukraine into NATO.
Nobody in n their right mind seriously believes that the U.S. or any other western country is going to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, so what’s the point of precipitating a reverse Cuban Missile Crisis that will accomplish nothing other than getting a bunch of innocent people killed.
Russia could simply not invade. It's immoral, illegal, and a crime against humanity.
Oh my! Putin will be shocked to hear that!
Tell us more about "crimes against humanity" as you've been completely absent during that last 2 years of anglosphere governments waging war upon their own citizens, pussy.
when Russia had its puppet running our country there wasn't all this war with Russia talk
Yeah, well Russia's puppet Obama didn't have to talk about it. He just rolled and let Putin have Crimea.
Lol, Putin said Obama's CIA overthrew the legitimate Ukrainian govt and stole most of the country for the West.
Putin didn’t need to.
In the recorded telephone conversation between Assistant US Secretary Victoria Nuland and Ukraine Ambassador Geoff Pratt, they are CLEARLY heard discussing the planning of the coup that ousted the democratically elected pro Russian president, and the western puppets that they will install.
Nuland said their actions should earn them an “atta boy” from (Vice President) Biden and “get the deeds to stick”.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o
Nobody ever accused Obama or his fellow traveler McCain of being competent scumbags.
Yeah, the good old days of Obama and Hillary!
That’s never been the point.
The same group of people NEVER get tired of war that fills their vaults and guarantees generations of their power and entitlement over others.
The people that insist we must get involved militarily need to honestly discuss the costs of this course, not just the costs of not getting involved.
What are they willing to give up? I can't see even proponents of the Magic Money Tree (MMT) economic theory seriously expecting to carry on with trillions of dollars of domestic spending while also fighting a major war.
How many of the Deplorables in flyover country will be rushing to the colors to serve under Commander in Chief Gibberin' Joe to fight in an optional war?
Speak for yourself.
I will support any foreign policy decision — including an all-out ground war — that President Biden believes is in our country's best interest.
#LibertariansForBiden
Fuck Joe Biden.
Yep. We can wait until Russia invades Poland, or perhaps Austria. Maybe Germany.
One of the biggest issues here is NATO, which Ukraine is not a member of. Which means nobody is obligated by treaty to defend them. So your comment is incredibly stupid being that Poland, Austria and Germany are all NATO members.
A good reason for the US to leave NATO. Germany is in part responsible for what Russia is doing, and Germans hate the US anyway.
The US has no dog in that fight. The Euros might, depending on how they read the Russkis.
If they are concerned, let them grow up and not have their daddy do their fighting for them.
Some cafes might empty in Paris as the free-shit money gets used for defense, but that's all to the good. I'm tired of my taxes defending the Euros.
If the Clinton Cabal hadn't talked Ukraine into letting Russia have the USSR's leftover nukes, they wouldn't be hoping that we will live up to our promise to help them.
Ukraine did not have the launch codes for the weapons. Keeping them would have been both expensive and worthless.
Yes, but Russia, the recipient of these weapons, does have the launch codes.
You do know the launch codes are in a little box attached to the weapon, right? Its removable. Give competent engineers access to the weapons and time and they could have made them usable. Ukraine fucked up.
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"Basically, I believe in peace...And bashing two bricks together!"
https://youtu.be/f3UCAQSFxCQ
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So who are the 9% who strongly support war? My guess is they all live inside the beltway
That's about 20 million adults. That number, armed, should stop the Russkies. So my advice to them: "You Dig It. You Go."
Doubt if any of them own a single gun (but all support gun control), or have any family in the military. Chicken Hawks like Tom Friedman
Drop them into a war zone with a bunch of guns and they will learn very very quickly.
See, all this posturing by wealthy elite liberals is just a pretense and a veneer. When it serves their interests, I guarantee you they will kill with impunity.
A Russian invasion of Ukraine is illegal. It has no moral basis. It is a crime against humanity. People who say we should not help the Ukrainians are complacent fools. The Ukrainian people are fighting for their freedom, their way of life, their country, their civil rights, and their democracy. Shame on anyone and any country who does not support them. If you are against Ukraine, you are for Putin. A man who is a murderer, a despot, and a dictator.
It's also not our problem.
You mean "help" them like we "helped" the good people of Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Vietnam, etc.? The list goes on and on.
US military intervention is usually a cure worse than the disease.
Please speak for yourself. You may not see it as your problem, but I definitely do see it as one for me.
People like you are the reason why evil exists in the world. You see crimes being committed, but you tell yourself "It's not my problem". You are a coward. You would let other people fight for what is right.
By the way, here's a list of countries helped bu US military intervention that you left out: France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Denmark, and Norway - all liberated by us from teh Nazis. Oh, and we liberated Italy from the fascists. We saved South Korean from a communist invasion. And Iraq is a democracy today because liberated if from Saddam Hussein.
You're history is as bad as your lack of honor and dignity.
If you believe that these events on the other side of the globe are of such great concern to Americans, why not prove your virtue by paying the cost of warfare (or just arms donations) from your own bank account? Maybe you and others in your camp could start a gofundme campaign. I'm sorry to say that I will not be donating. I'm already getting pulverized by taxes and inflation.
Oh poor spiggot, are you really getting pulverized?!?!? And yet you have enough money to buy a computer and pay your internet bill. Any other lies you want to tell me. And by the way, I paid $27,000 in taxes last year to the Fed Govt. What did you pay?
Also, I did two tours of duty with the US Marines in Iraq. I was more than happy to serve my country and fight for the freedom on the Iraqi people. I'm just as happy as to fight for Ukrainian people as well. What are you willing to fight for? I doubt anything. You sound like a pathetic coward.
https://twitter.com/LeeCamp/status/1493244389501460485?t=6Wporry41OBUCFEB-um0UQ&s=19
They lied us into:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Syria
- Libya
- Vietnam
- Korea
But they're telling the truth about Ukraine
https://twitter.com/StevenT65674368/status/1493353388377051141?t=Sz5u9I0Tp_1K410uyqdHMA&s=19
It's February 14th 2022 and Vladimir Putin just called Justin Trudeau a tyrant.
https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1493409538422329345?t=3nVHTPkb3hH6xjLCVjJSpw&s=19
The New York Times has written 13,569 stories about Trump and Russia.
The Washington Post: 21,636.
How many have they written about Clinton-funded spying of Trump? ZERO.
NATO columnist:
https://twitter.com/Garossino/status/1493343244758908928?t=A_LYGDe2BZaKD0TO9QNPow&s=19
BOOM
If your truck is being used in these blockades, your corporate accounts will be frozen and your insurance will be suspended.
Send your vehicles home.
I see this as a case of the USA's promoting NATO as some kind of planetary army, with the status of a supranational government.
It is difficult to believe that the general American public views the Ukraine situation as a clash between Evil Putin and Holy NATO.
The media campaign about a march to war with a resurgent USSR is not working out.
War is needed for Hunter Biden and "the big guy" to keep raking in the millions!
Biden Gang Reportedly Working on Billion Dollar Deal in Ukraine – Eerily Reminiscent of Last Biden Billion Dollar Deal in Ukraine
The U.S. is considering offering Ukraine up to $1 billion in sovereign loan guarantees to help Ukraine’s economy amid pressures from the Russian military build-up, a senior Biden administration official said on Monday.
The Troll Tony's "investor class" he so ardently supports!
First, the US is not going to war over Ukraine. The goal here is to raise the bar far enough to make Putin think twice. It does appear that is happening. Will that stop an invasion, I don't know. At this point I don't have too many problems with the handling of the issue. President Biden seems to be handling it with moderation. The Republican seem divided between those that want sanctions now and those who would give Putin anything he wants.