Biden's False Gun Claims Are a Lousy Basis for Law
Already abused for political purposes, the power of government shouldn’t be expanded based on lies.

President Joe Biden so frequently and willfully tells lies about firearms that, if he were a podcaster talking about anything other than guns, aging rockers would trip over their walkers in a rush to sever even the most tenuous ties to him. Of course, we live in an age of misinformation and disinformation and probably should expect nothing better from the White House. But Biden proposes to impose ever-tougher rules based on his repetitive malarkey, illustrating the problem of governments wielding their vast regulatory apparatus based on misunderstandings and malice.
"Congress needs to do its part too: pass universal background checks, ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, close loopholes, and keep out of the hands of domestic abusers — weapons, repeal the liability shield for gun manufacturers," Biden huffed last week in New York. "Imagine had we had a liability — they're the only industry in America that is exempted from being able to be sued by the public. The only one."
Big, if true! But it's not. As it turns out, gun manufacturers are not immune from lawsuits for flaws in their products. The law that Biden seemingly references and to which others making similar claims point to is the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, passed in 2005 after a spate of lawsuits accusing gun makers and dealers of creating a public nuisance. It immunizes the industry against lawsuits when some end user engages in "the criminal or unlawful misuse of a firearm."
"The 2005 law does not prevent gun makers from being held liable for defects in their design," Adam Winkler, professor of law at UCLA, told NPR in 2015 after Hillary Clinton made a nearly identical untrue claim. "Like car makers, gun makers can be sued for selling a defective product. The problem is that gun violence victims often want to hold gun makers liable for the criminal misuse of a properly functioning product."
The law, then, was intended to prevent weaponization of the courts against firearms manufacturers and dealers for products that might be misused somewhere down the line by people unknown. It explicitly exempts from protection anybody "who transfers a firearm knowing that it will be used to commit a crime of violence."
Such protection is also not unique to the firearms industry. For example, as we've been reminded over the past year, the pharmaceutical industry enjoys some protection against liability over vaccines. Congress also implemented limits on liability for the general aviation industry.
"Congress has passed a number of laws that protect a variety of business sectors from lawsuits in certain situations, so the situation is not unique to the gun industry," PolitiFact pointed out in 2015 as it ruled Clinton's accusations against the firearms industry "false."
Biden really has no excuse at this late date to be repeating long-since debunked claims about the firearms industry. Unfortunately, he's also a serial bullshitter about the parameters of Second Amendment protections.
"When the amendment was passed, it didn't say anybody can own a gun and any kind of gun and any kind of weapon," Biden insisted with regard to the Second Amendment during the same speech last week. "You couldn't buy a cannon in — when the — this — this amendment was passed. And so, no reason why you should be able to buy certain assault weapons."
Once again, that's just not true.
"There were no federal laws about the type of gun you could own, and no states limited the kind of gun you could own" when the Bill of Rights was implemented, the Independence Institute's David Kopel told the Washington Post last summer after an earlier iteration of Biden's "cannon" claim.
"In fact, you do not have to look far in the Constitution to see that private individuals could own cannons," the Post's Glenn Kessler noted, pointing to letters of marque and reprisal which commissioned private warships to act on behalf of the United States. "Individuals who were given these waivers and owned warships obviously also obtained cannons for use in battle."
"Biden has already been fact-checked on this claim — and it's been deemed false," Kessler added. "We have no idea where he conjured up this notion about a ban on cannon ownership in the early days of the Republic, but he needs to stop making this claim."
These falsehoods matter because they're repeated by a powerful government official who uses them to argue for changes in law and further restrictions on human activity. Either he's too profoundly thick to learn new information, or else motivated by malice and unconcerned by the truth, but either way he shouldn't be threatening to use the armed power of the state against people based on nonsense.
The regulatory state is already powerful to the point of being incredibly dangerous. Government authority is abused to implement backdoor restrictions on firearms and marijuana that the law itself won't allow. It was used to coerce banks into selling stock to the feds and to force business mergers. Operation Choke Point was a formalized federal scheme to deny financial services to perfectly legal businesses that some politicians just don't like.
"The clandestine Operation Choke Point had more in common with a purge of ideological foes than a regulatory enforcement action," Frank Keating, former governor of Oklahoma and previously an FBI agent and U.S. Attorney, wrote in 2018. "It targeted wide swaths of businesses with little regard for whether legal businesses were swept up and harmed."
And now we have Biden, who wants to expand the reach of government based on repeated misstatements that he's been told time and again are completely untrue. Laws and regulations rooted at their birth in presidential malarkey don't bode well for the future. Proposed in bad faith, we could reasonably expect them to be enforced abusively along the lines of earlier legal and regulatory powers that are used to achieve political ends rather than to address nonexistent problems.
Cancelling people is a bad idea, so even if Biden were a podcaster it would be an error to try to deny him a platform for his misinformation. Instead, perhaps we could, now and for future officeholders, delegate an aide to whisper in the presidential ear from time to time, in the style of heroes' companions during ancient Roman triumphs: "False! We have no idea where you conjured up this notion. But you need to stop making this claim."
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Such protection is also not unique to the firearms industry. For example, as we've been reminded over the past year, the pharmaceutical industry enjoys some protection against liability over vaccines. Congress also implemented limits on liability for the general aviation industry.
Maybe, instead of justifying a special immunity that the firearms industry has by noting other special immunities that other industries have, perhaps the solution is instead to get rid of all the special immunities.
Pharmaceuticals and airplanes are so heavily regulated by the government that they should be shielded from some liability. The government is heavily involved in the decisions that they make, and is thus partly responsible for anything that happens.
Well, then that begs the question then. Perhaps the regulations are the actual problem here.
Add begs the question for a colloquiolism not understood by these 2.
Wait. You think airlines were sued from 9/11 misuse? Airplane manufacturers are sued when they have a defect. Not through misuse.
sarc’s parents should be sued for misusing their genitals to produce him.
The first 5 commemts are Trolls. It shows what their agendas are.
", aging rockers would trip over their walkers in a rush to sever even the most tenuous ties to him. "
Touche'! Or in Bidens case, " touch."
These lying bastards like Bidet project what they want to believe instead of reality.
Eventually that delusion corrupts their thinking permanently, then they're qualified to be Democrats.
Fuck Joe Biden.
The immunities aren't really that special, if any other industry were sued for the same reasons the courts would not find them liable, its just that suits against other industries have not risen to the level of public nuisance as they did with the firearm industry.
For example no one sues the manufacturers of the cars that mass shooters use to drive to the scene of a shooting, nor for any other crimes that are facilitated by vehicles. If they did the cases would certainly be dismissed. If suits kept getting filed to the point of public nuisance we would see a preemptive immunity law passed for auto manufacturers as well
Tgeres more focus for not onky the political hysteria, but damages.
Back around the 80s it went from product liability to personal injury, and the amounts went thru the roof. Now its nothing on TV here but ambulance chasing lawyers.
Thats been supercharged by the insane costs of medical care.
The immunities aren't really that special, if any other industry were sued for the same reasons the courts would not find them liable, its just that suits against other industries have not risen to the level of public nuisance as they did with the firearm industry.
If the lawsuits are so lacking in merit then there is no need for a special law granting immunity. Courts already have remedies to dispose of frivolous lawsuits.
To pre-emptively declare an entire class of lawsuits to be forbidden because of "public nuisance" reeks of corporatist favoritism, and denies justice to the litigants in the occasional meritorious lawsuit that are never able to see their day in court.
It is an overbroad 'solution' to a problem that is easily handled without granting special exemptions via an act of Congress.
There is if you have groups constantly forcing them to spend legal fees on frivolous suits.
What meritorious lawsuit do you think the PLCAA might block?
Your precious democrat’s lawfare abuses were 5th impetus for these laws.
No, courts really don't have a remedy to deal with frivolous.lawsuits.
Why in the world would you think they did?
The way a lawsuit is dealt with is through hearing out the lawsuit. *Then* the court may dismiss it under any number of inadequacies - but not 'frivolousness'.
A petitioner who files too many deficient lawsuits may be declared a vexatious litigant - even then that doesn't stop it, just puts a layer of oversight on any suit they want to file.
Nuisance lawsuits are a real problem, not something to be waved away. Even what happened to Reason years ago over the "woodchipper" incident is a good example (though a bit different as it was a government lawyer going after them). They had to spend thousands of dollars on lawyers to fight off something that was obviously bullshit from the start.
In my ideal world, you could just go to a judge and say "this is obvious bullshit" and have a case like that thrown out. But that's not how it goes and anyone will tell you that you'd better lawyer up in that situation. You really think anti-gun activists are above using that to their advantage?
Interesting how Chemjerk claims to be an Individualist yet it clings to group think. Or group compliance AKA ' non- think.
Your ignorance on behalf of the left knows no bounds.
Because it isnt a special immunity at all dummy.
You've been on quite the ignorance tear the last few days.
Generally companies selling a legal product are immune from intentional misuse of their products. We can't sell car manufacturers because somebody drives drunk. Well at least until biden requires the drunk driving software soon.
You really are a know nothing bore.
It should also be noted that if it is an exception, it's in exception to the blatantly unConstitutional behavior of Richard M. Daley, Joseph Ganim, Andrew Cuomo, and Eliot Spitzer.
The left/right/center didn't just dream up the PLCAA because they felt firearm manufacturers needed a leg up or because their pockets were being lined by Remington and Bushmaster. Gun manufacturers had been getting sued for decades. They enacted the law specifically because Mayors, Governors, DAs, and AGs openly stated "We will bring them down and this is how we will do it." and violated their oath of public office by doing so.
God you are an ignorant leftist POS. The laws in question are not "special protections" but standard product liability protections made explicit for guns so even leftists could understand. These laws were necessitated because dishonest leftists like you were framing gun homicides as a product defect for not being adequately designed for safety in it's intended purpose, as if it was a nerf gun intended for horseplay.
Lol. Same reaction I had. But he had to demur from criticism of Biden somehow.
Oddly both him and Jeff are huge supporters of 230 which actually are extra liability protections.
Much like Reason editors with a year-long whataboutism campaign, he needs to protect his Biden vote.
I have no idea why the Dems are putting so much effort into this. Texas has already shown the way to override someone's constitutional rights if you don't like them. No lies or spin needed. Just replace references to "abortion" in that law with "buying and selling guns" and you've got a SCOTUS-approved de facto gun ban, Ta-Da! Works on all guns, too, no need for assault rifle definitions or other complexities.
Nope.
Whoosh, right over your head, eh Jeff? There's nothing 'special' about being 'protected' from unjust lawsuits based on misuse of one's product.
Or maybe, instead of ranting about special immunities, you could actually read the article and note that it's a general immunity. Manufacturers in all industries get to claim a proximate cause defense. That is, they are liable for what they do but they are not liable when their customers break the law. You can't sue the telephone company just because they sell phones to drug dealers. You can't sue the truck company when someone intentionally drives through a crowded sidewalk.
That law was passed only after specific courts started allowing nuisance lawsuits launched by plaintiffs who openly stated that they had no expectation of winning but intended to bankrupt the defendants through the sheer volume of their losing cases.
That said, I will concede that a functioning 'loser pays' tort system would be a general fix that might eliminate the need for these industry-specific reactions to lawfare abuse.
I think the only way a "loser pays" system here would be if it were "loser's lawyer pays." Because the gun control groups convince family members to sue in their own capacity, and then provide the lawyers (since the family wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise)
Loser pays is a double edged sword. While I like the idea in theory the reality is that many losers are judgement proof. When someone like the girlfriend of the guys Rittenhouse shot sues there is no way she could pay. Putting the liability on the lawyer would probably hurt poor peeps who really do have a case but most all lawyers would decline to take the risk.
While I wish there was an easy solution there does not seem to be one.
If the case was sufficiently meritorious, investors would step in and, in exchange for a portion of the settlement, offer funding to support the risk of losing the lawsuit. Note that the lawyers would no longer be able to justify taking their contingency portion of the final award in such cases.
As well, the laws for "loser pays" could make the default, capable of being overridden only in extraordinary circumstances by the court, that the winning side only gets compensated for their legal fees and expenses to the extent the losing party incurred such costs. This would discourage "big players" from burying "little players" as the little players could limit their legal expenses and, hence, their possible liability for the legal expenses of the other party.
This could be implemented via detailed periodic reports to the court by each party on what they spent, or contractually committed to spend in the past week. The total amount on each report would be available to the all parties but not the detail so each party could make a decision on future spending and their ability to recover those expenditures if they win. The court would not generally review the detailed accounting reports at the time of filing.
When the case is resolved by the court handling it (even if appeals are in progress), all the expenditure reports become available to all parties and any party can call for a court review of detailed items from any report. The courts would be empowered to sanction (generally by disallowing, perhaps even at a 2✕ or 3✕ adjustment factor) techniques such as pouring vast sums of money into a case at the last minute with little compelling legal justification just to "meet the other party's expenses" when the first party becomes quite certain they will win.
While appeals are pending, the currently losing party would put compensation for the other party's allowable fees in escrow. Ultimately, the prevailing party will get compensated for all allowable legal fees including those incurred in lower courts where they my have initially lost.
The court would award fees on a pro rata basis in "partial" victories.
That is possible now - but no one does it.
That should tell you something about it's viability.
You left off the reason this protection for the gun industry exists.
"The law, then, was intended to prevent weaponization of the courts against firearms manufacturers and dealers for products that might be misused somewhere down the line by people unknown. It explicitly exempts from protection anybody 'who transfers a firearm knowing that it will be used to commit a crime of violence.'"
The special immunities of the aviation and the pharma industry are pretty different from the ones enjoyed by the firearms industry. Before the PLCAA, you had people trying to sue gunmakers simply for making guns that they had no control over once sold. These lawsuits had a pretty novel basis in law that has never been applied to any other industry. For instance, no one has ever sued the manufacturer for the SUV that guy in Waukesha, WI used to run over a bunch of people. Why? Because no one believes it was the carmaker's fault that it happened.
The reality is, gun makers have been subjected to legal attacks no other industry has legitimately had to endure. The PLCAA doesn't so much grant a special immunity for the gun industry as it comes out and says the gun industry is not deprived of the same reasonable legal protections as any other industry to be sued for an offense it didn't actually commit.
Interesting that the Democrats cling to Section 230 protections for social media against author's publication, presumably (but not explicitly) behind the First Amendment, but fail to see the Second Amendment parallel for firearm manufacturers, who are not protected as noted in the article.
Which is more powerful, disruptive or dangerous? We just saw GoFundMe seriously consider stealing $10M of donations, and Joe Rogan's censorship, while Google is protected against a terrorist posting bomb plans... or 3D gun printing plans.
Yet another case of hypocrisy by big government.
Does this article even exist? It is known that everyone at Reason voted for Biden. How can they be critical of the guy now? I mean, they all had a personal grudge against the last president. A derangement. Mental illness. That's the only explanation for how mean they were to him. Sooooo mean. And unfair. Mean and unfair. Unfairly mean. Total meanie pants. But now they're doing it to Biden too? No. This isn't possible.
It's almost as if Reason's actual position is "to critique the status quo". When Team Red is in charge, they are mostly critical of Team Red. When Team Blue is in charge, they are mostly critical of Team Blue.
It's almost as if, during the last election cycle, there was a candidate who was objectively worse for individual liberty, whose positions on issues of individual liberty and rights were clear and available to review, and several "libertarian" staff members voted for him anyway because the other candidate was a loudmouth asshole.
It's almost like they favored form over function and voted for a candidate who was opposed to libertarian principles, because ORANGE MAN BAD.
CRT jeff is a loser in life. And he has convinced himself that this is a result of others taking his winnings. So those folks should be punished by having their wealth and liberty reduced.
Or maybe they had certain issues that were important to them, like immigration or trade, and thought the other guy would be better.
Trade?? Lol
Democrats have never been free trade. Especially biden.
Holy shit what a dumb comment.
They have, however, been strong proponents of insider trading and pay for play. Because, free market economy, apparently.
If only there were somewhere they could go to look at actual policies on those issues, like a website or something. Or if the democratic candidate had like a record or something in other branches of government where they could have evaluated his previous work on those topics, and see that he was terrible on both of those issues, and many, many others.
I suppose of all you care about are abortions, drugs, and hookers, he's awesome.
Other people have different priorities than you? OMG! Who knew?
You didnt respond to his comment yet doubled down on ignorance of bidens past.
Interesting.
Yes, and their priorities are stupid.
I'm sure they think they same thing about you.
Yes, statists often think free choice is stupid. What's your point?
Better on trade! How?
Oh wait, you’re too afraid to debate me.
And by the way, the previous president was not a libertarian. He was opposed to libertarian principles on trade, immigration, freedom of the press, government spending, and that's just off the top of my head. Is that saying that the other guy was better from a libertarian standpoint? No. It's simply saying that when you say the last president supported libertarian principles, that you're totally wrong. He may have overlapped on some things like regulation, but it was pure coincidence.
I didn't say he was. Do you ever argue against things people actually said, or are you just fundamentally dishonest?
It's almost like they favored form over function and voted for a candidate who was opposed to libertarian principles, because ORANGE MAN BAD.
The clear implication is that ORANGE MAN was the candidate who was not opposed to libertarian principles. Were you not intending to imply that? Because if you were, well you're wrong. Both candidates were opposed to libertarian principles.
Is your argument Biden is better on libertarian principles than Trump's policies were?
He doesn't have an argument. He's just impotently raging at the world.
The only impotent rage I see is coming from you, and directed at myself (who didn't vote) and at anyone who didn't vote the same as you.
But keep up the personal attacks. It's a great way to impress the trolls.
And if you can't handle an argument with me (which you clearly can't since you're resorting to personal attacks) why not ask me to mute you? I will never read nor respond to any of your posts again.
You'll be cool like the rest of the trolls.
Why are you obsessed with people asking you to mute them?
Why don't you just mute them if you don't want to read their comments?
I'm sincerely asking. It's really a fascinating phenomenon. Is it a sadism thing?
Why is being muted by me a badge of honor?
Why do people have to call me names instead of responding to what I say?
Why do a dozen trolls on this site think it's cool to accuse me of fucking my daughter?
I'm sincerely asking. It's really a fascinating phenomenon. Is it a sadism thing?
Poor sarc. So broken.
SHOW US THE ENEMY LIST!
You’re always afraid to debate me. Not surprised. You’re ultimately a coward.
To be clear, you get kicked around because you're a lying drunk waterboy who deserves it.
You know there were other options, right? Like, don't vote, vote 3rd party, write in a candidate...
My statement in no way implied that the libertarian option was Trump. But you're an idiot and not a very creative thinker, so I can see how you would make that mistake.
Ah, resorting to personal attacks. The refuge of someone who has lost an argument.
You're the one that put words in his mouth. That makes you the one who's dishonest, to no one's surprise.
Did you fail reading comprehension? Were you not intending to imply that? is the same as saying "Hey, correct me if I'm wrong here," especially when followed with Because if you were... which again opens up the possibility of me being wrong. Do you even know what dishonest means?
Now you’re asserting victim status to deflect. Next will be more hyperbole.
By the way, when I said "Were you not intending to imply that?" that was an honest question. Instead of trying to impress the trolls you could have simply said "No, that was not my intention."
About half of the comments on this site are nothing more than tribal virtue signaling. It's kinda sad really.
Including the one just above mine.
Whoooooooooosh.
See? There you go again with the unvarnished truth completely queering the girl-bullying looter narrative that there is only one God and that is Allah, and Donald Trump is his only Prophet. Of course all they can do is bait and troll Sarcasmic because they are trying to influence weak-minded fools, and you get in the way of that. Good show, by the way.
I didn't say he was. Do you ever argue against things people actually said, or are you just fundamentally dishonest?
So let's review - instead of attempting to clarify an honest disagreement, you immediately went on the offensive, with personal insults and accusations of bad faith. Because it is known that you are so perfect, that every word you type, perfectly captures your true thoughts, and anyone who might not see your words exactly as you have perfectly laid them down on the electrons in this comment forum, clearly is a bad person deserving of ridicule. Because there is no possible way there could ever be an honest misunderstanding with you, ever, because you are just that perfect. Does that about sum things up?
You argue like a pre-teen girl.
Not really. You’re just a lying little bitch. But it’s not a shock to see you white knighting for one of your fellow progs.
Amd of course you’re far too gutless to debate me. Just like Sarc.
Where did he limit press freedoms?
Immigration in a welfare state isnt libertarian.
Majority of the spending was veto proof bills. You also ignore his first act was demanding executive branches to reduce their spending, reduce regulations, etc.
He wasn't a perfect libertarian by any means but compared to biden he was.
Tax cuts, deregulation, at least attempts to lower spending, anti foreign intervention.
Yet you wanted biden.
Youre an idiot sarc.
When one buys a car, the color they like best. When one votes for a president, they vote for the one that best represents their positions. There is no perfect solution.
No recent real potential candidate was more consistent with Libertarian principals than Trump. He tweets and speaks like a dullard, and rails at the world, but a majority of policies were toward freedom. ALL tractable alternatives were worse, evidence abounds.
Denigrating Trump was a spiteful cause. The only question is "Is that true in the next election?"
It's almost as if, during the last election cycle, there was a candidate who was objectively worse for individual liberty, whose positions on issues of individual liberty and rights were clear and available to review, and several "libertarian" staff members voted for him anyway because the other candidate was a loudmouth asshole.
So, both Trump and Biden?
Yes, fatjeff predictable conformist, bowf sidez.
Or because they are stupid beyond belief.
Critiquing the status quo implies both sides are equal and nothing ever changes. That the left is seeking a great radicalizatiok of society. More ignorance from you. See GND, critical theory, MMT, etc.
Also reason should be criticizing threats to liberty. Not blind both sidesism.
But you're not a libertarian. You're a statist as proved yesterday.
Reason's actual position is "to critique the status quo".
I thought their position was freedom? Being contrarian for the sake of it isn’t a guarantee of advocating freedom.
It's almost as if Reason's actual position is "to critique the status quo".
And, just like with any bureaucracy, that necessitates perpetuating a status quo to critique.
It's almost as if Reason's actual position is "to critique the status quo". When Team Red is in charge, they are mostly critical of Team Red. When Team Blue is in charge, they are mostly critical of Team Blue.
the one thing they do NOT do is promote libertarianism...
Cite?
If you are a libertarian and you voted for ANY democrat after the past five years, then yes, you are mentally ill.
As a libertarian, even if you were opposed to Trump's actual policies and not just his unpleasant personality, but you voted for any democrat after the past 2 years of COVID mania, then yes, you have a mental illness. After the past two years, democrat policies were CLEARLY worse for individual liberty. As a libertarian, voting for them anyway because Trump is a dick is stupid.
Did you read what the staff actually wrote? They made it clear why they opposed Trump, and it wasn't just because he's a dick.
Cite?
You can oppose Trump without voting for someone who is- and always has been- demonstrably worse in pretty much every category.
Which most of the staff did: Jo Jo.
Good for them. Those that didn't, and who voted for Joe Biden made a decidedly un-libertarian choice, and should be reminded of that every time they write a stupid article boo-hooing leftist fascism.
Ah yes. The constant refrain of "You voted for this! It's your fault! You can't criticize the guy you voted for! You're not a libertarian! You're a progressive! Aaauuughhh!"
*yawn*
I read this in the voice of the comic book store guy from the Simpsons.
Worst. Comment. Ever.
Yes, your comments are the worst. And this has all been covered for you many times before. And once again you’re pretending we’ve never straightened you out on this subject.
Basically, you are the troll, and a massive rotten cunt to boot.
Note to foreign readers: American teevee definitely causes brain deterioration. Most of the Trumpista crybabys here are proof of that.
Was that supposed to be clever?
Now I remember what I muted you in the first place; nothing of value, unless you value drivel.
[re-mute]
. . .and ALL of the anti-Trumpers reinforce that fact.
...proving (or indicating) Libertarianism isnt.
More like Soft Serve radical Leftism.
I knew sarc would make this comment before I finished the first paragraph. So broken.
Shall not be infringed.
Well regulated militia is always, always, the counter argument.
The Bill of Militia Rights
That is the inevitable counter-argument. The problem is that the people presenting it have to redefine both "militia" and "well-regulated" to make that argument.
Would, for example, the First Amendment be any less absolute if it had been worded as "An informed Electorate, being necessary to the preservation of a free State, Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...."?
^ I'm stealing this. Thank you
From: THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT by J. Neil Schulman
[Schulman:] "As a 'scientific control' on this analysis, I would also
appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence,
"A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.'
"My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,
"(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; and
"(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict 'the right of the people to keep and read Books' _only_ to 'a well-educated electorate' -- for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?"
[Professor Roy Copperud:] "(1) Your 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.
"(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation."
Except that the Supreme Court has confirmed that the Militia Clause is merely precatory. That means that it cannot be limiting, but is merely wishful thinking.
That said, what the Militia Clause does, esp in view of Miller, is raise the Constitutional bar on banning “assault weapons”, esp AR-15s, the semiautomatic version of our country’s select fire main battle rifle for the last 60 years. Is it a Weapon Of War? Of course it is, or at least as close as you can get without violating the National Firearms Act of 1934. That’s what militias are there for. If militias can’t use militia type weapons, then what good are they? Pretty much every Army and Marine vet over the last 60 years, if handed an AR-15, still knows how to operate, shoot, and maintain it. Probably most Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard vets too.
So, why do so many Dems want to ban the ultimate militia weapon, the AR-15. Deep down, for exactly that reason. What they most don’t like about it is that it is less than 75 years old in common usage. Instead, it uses modern materials, has modern ergonomics, and modern modularity. For example, in terms of ergonomics, you can slap a pistol grip on your power drill, but don’t take it off that drill, and put it on your rifle or carbine, because that helps make it a dreaded “assault weapon”.
Fuck Joe Biden.
Not even with Hillary Clinton's dick.
Dicklet; she has a dicklet [or so I've heard...].
This is the only time I prefer to think of someone as "gender neutral." Because anything else is gross.
Gender neutral evil.
She tucks it in her pant suit.
With a socklet.
While chewing Chiclet?
While Trump was gaslit
I have no idea why the Dems are putting so much effort into this. Texas has already shown the way to override someone's constitutional rights if you don't like them. No lies or spin needed. Just replace references to "abortion" in that law with "buying and selling guns" and you've got a SCOTUS-approved de facto gun ban, Ta-Da! Works on all guns, too, no need for assault rifle definitions or other complexities
If you can't win any sort of debate under your original pseudonym, wgat on earth makes you think a new handle will make your copypasta any more palatable?
First time poster, not a new account. I have never debated you, and if you can't identify sarcasm, I doubt it would be any entertainment to do so.
SCOTUS has not approved it, they just declined to fast-track the case.
The problem is that gun control advocates often want to hold gun makers liable for the criminal misuse of a properly functioning product.
FTFY.
DAMN FINE POINT!!!!
Its a ' point and click' answer to crime.
The problem is that gun control advocates are assholes who don't know what they're talking about.
often want to hold gun makers liable for the criminal misuse of a properly functioning product.FTFY
President Joe Biden frequently and willfully tells lies.
The thing about Biden is that there is always in if or an or, as in "Either he's too profoundly thick to learn new information, or else motivated by malice and unconcerned by the truth,"
As for as those who wanted him to be in this position, as long as what he mumbles fits their confirmation bias, they are not going to be looking that closely.
> Biden really has no excuse at this late date to be repeating long-since debunked claims about the firearms industry.
Senility?
The George Costanza alibi: "It's not a lie if you believe it."
Biden wasn't senile when he made his shotgun video. He claimed that a woman couldn't handle the recoil of an AR-15 and should use a shotgun. The AR-15 in the most common caliber (.223 or 5.56mm) actually has such a light recoil that I have to concentrate to feel it at all. A shotgun in the most common caliber (12 gauge) will thump your shoulder pretty hard, although most adults can handle it. It appears that Biden actually has fired some weapons, so this was either a deliberate and knowing lie, or long before senility kicked in, he was too stupid to know the difference between noise and recoil.
Then he advocated firing blindly through a door at a possible intruder. I don't know about New Jersey (where as I understand it, if you aren't a VIP you'll probably get arrested just for having a gun), but in Michigan following his advice might get you a very long sentence for manslaughter.
Remember the 'and.'. There's the distinct possibility that the moronic grifter is both malicious and stupid.
Is it a lie if you don't remember it 5 minutes later?
That's just it; the doddering fool just has to get in front of some cameras with his minders on hand and bumble through just enough to get our a few talking points, as in the current case of "— they're the only industry in America that is exempted from being able to be sued by the public. The only one."
Then he shuffles off stage and it sticks, falsely, but well enough for a lot of the fools who will vote for him or his party, or the media who knowingly proffer this and other falsehoods because it is simply "the right message" no matter how mendacious it may be.
And then what? Are you going to then call him on his senility or gullibility or outright lying? Better to go find yourself a pre schooler, push then down onto the sidewalk, and take their lunch money. All the while MSM will never call him out on anything, as long as it is the "correct" message.
And lest I forget, fuck Joe Biden.
I do wonder just how long this charade will hold up?
Translation: doddering old fool kicked sand in Orange Hitler Jesus' face, and did it with the help of Libertarian Jo, even though hampered by Beavis the commie Boothead anarchist. Waaaah!
That isn’t the translation. And you’re a doddering old fool at least as senile as Biden.
Note to foreign readers: Kleptocracy looters rob and lie, and the rain in Spain falls mainly in the plain.
Every year tons of illegal drugs are moved from the border with Mexico north to New York. Those drugs get consumed, and more drugs are moved to resupply the market.
Rifles weigh less than twenty pounds, and handguns less than a quarter of that. They can be smuggled in along with the drugs and, once in the city, are not used up but rather are reusable. The only replacement need is ammunition.
If we can't stop the smuggling of illegal drugs, what are the chances of eliminating illegal firearms?
C'mon, man! It's not about results, it's about doing the 'right thing' and saying what his half witted supporters [which includes most of MSM] want to hear.
Its easy to stop that.
Get the likes of Bidet and Pelosi out of the way. They are the ones enabling the flood of el- legals running drugs.
They don’t want to disarm criminals. They want to disarm normal people.
They want the latter, have no plan or means to accomplish the former, which also happens to be politically unpopular on the progressive side. Unpopular in that any effective plan it involves police, and would expose ethnic breakdown of criminal gun use in urban centers.
handguns less than a quarter of that
If you get a shipment of 20 handguns that weighs 100 lbs., you might be a drug smuggler.
And unlike drugs, an enterprising individual can just take a chunk of aluminum and make their own gun.
I would sincerely not recommend aluminum for anything chambered higher than .22lr unless you only plan on firing it once.
6061 at that
It's the chamber that matters. Aluminum [7075 T6 being the standard] receivers and frames are fine, but I would accept nothing less than steel for a chamber.
Well, you need more than JUST a chunk of aluminum.
Well, yes and no. Legally, an AR-15 rifle, carbine, or handgun, IS the lower receiver. That is the piece that has to have a serial number, and has to be purchased through an FFL, using that serial number, if you don’t make it yourself. Of course, it isn’t really legally the firearm, since it is missing at least one component required by law for being a legal firearm (something to attach a barrel to), but that, of course, never slowed the ATF down. As far as I can tell, AR-15 lower receivers are almost always constructed from aluminum. You can use plastic, but they don’t last very well. The 80% completed lowers that are so popular are mostly made from aluminum. And Ghost Gunner, now has programming out for its CNC machines to turn a 0% complete lower (solid block of aluminum) into a fully functioning AR-15 lower receiver.
But, yes, you don’t want to use aluminum for any part of a gun that has to deal directly with the pressures resulting from exploding (actually, combusting) gun powder, including sending a bullet down the barrel.
For the current legal definition of "firearm" aluminum is completely fine. So is polymer as it turns out.
You need more than that for a fully functional gun, but there'd be no need to smuggle any of that unless the government also attempts to outlaw steel tubes.
Dinkle,
Because they want to disarm the citizens.
So they can oppress them.
I like how it looks like he was bayonetted thru the skull.
Doctor’s performed an X-ray afterwards and didn’t find anything.
"Either he's too profoundly thick to learn new information, or else motivated by malice and unconcerned by the truth..."
Or? As if those were mutually exclusive [they are not]?
That's truly a hilarious statement. As if he hasn't been a mendacious liar his entire career, as well as truly mediocre intellectually.
That's an insult to the mediocre.
the power of government shouldn’t be expanded based on lies.
You mean like "once you get vaccinated everything will go back to normal"?
Yeah, that's right. No lie here. Most have been vaccinated now. Welcome to your new normal.
“Two weeks to flatten the curve”
“100 days wearing masks , just 100 days.”
SUMMARY:
ANYONE that cant get " shall not be infringed" is a pathological liar and seditionist.
Traitors.
Shall not is absolute. It means' dont touch the question.' Theres no degree or shades.
Its so simple that even Tony could get it if his IQ was north of a single- digit and wasnt mainlining Draino in his mommys basement.
Everyone already beat me to it, but wow. "they're the only industry in America that is exempted from being able to be sued by the public" will not age well considering the pharmaceutical industry has stronger immunity than us vaccinated folks 😀
Remember, zero liability. I can't wait to hear the asbestos ads get replaced by vaccine injury ones.
The awards will go to the stratosphere...
except that vaccine manufacturers are immune from suit for almost anything, up to, and including pretty significant negligence. Your shot came from a tainted batch? Not a problem for the manufacturers. Pfizer appears to have violated well established testing procedures. Again, not a problem for them - it’s a vaccine (as of last summer when the FDA kindly redefined the term to include experimental gene therapies only still available in this country under EUAs. This immunity appears to extend to those administering the vaccines, even if they miss the muscle that is supposed to prevent the spike producing mRNA from migrating to inappropriate locations in the body, like heart muscles (myocarditis), etc.
But reading the law carefully, the place where there may be some liability is for those who force vaccinations, not under the color of law. Your employer forces you to get jabbed, or be fired, then they may have some liability. Maybe. And since negligence is typically foreseeable, they may be ultimately responsible for their remaining employees who got jabbed from a tainted batch, or by an incompetent jabber.
Big, if true! But it's not. As it turns out, gun manufacturers are not immune from lawsuits for flaws in their products.
Untrue from the other angle as well. Virtually every manufacturer gets *the exact same protection*. If I take a Bic lighter and set a Federal Courthouse on fire, unless there was a defect in the lighter, Bic is immune. If I take a bottle of Smirnoff, set it on fire, and throw it at a CBP detention facility, unless there was a defect in the bottle or the alcohol (other than the inherent defects contained in every bottle of Smirnoff), Smirnoff is immune.
Some industries get additional protections even from defects due to the variable nature of their use/results. As others have pointed out, the VAERS system is set up specifically to parse out who does and doesn't get this protection, and when, in the pharma industry.
The same or similar protections are applied to service industries as well; if I run a web business and lose money because my Comcast connection goes down, unless I can prove that Comcast shut down *my* connection without cause, they get Title II protections. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were set up to the same effect in the mortgage lending industry.
Also, it should be noted, that S230 protections are written so shoddily and sold so disingenuously far and wide, that people have lost the ability to understand any/all distinction. Youtube can delete my channel with 2 million subscribers and get protection whether they did it just to me, on purpose, or not.
Fannie Mae
Fannie May, dammit. Though I believe Fannie Mae gets protection as well. If you got your mortgage from a chocolate company, that's your fault.
Life is LIKE a box of chocolates . . .
stop politics we need new system
no, thats anarchist talk.
Just stop the politics.
Granted, Tuccille nowhere says the current Dem looter lies more than the ousted girl-bullying looter. But nowhere in the Constitution does it say the DEA or IRS can have portable machine guns, gas or explosive grenades either. Nixon signed the Anti-Libertarian Law and the communist treaty denying American state and federal armed forces any right to keep and bear antimissiles, and was a Moral Majority Gee-Oh Pee guy. Nixon makes Biden look like nuclear bomber Truman, but without Truman's popularity.
Biden's Lies About Guns Are a Lousy Basis for Law
Again Reason sugar coats Biden's lying in the headline.
They are at least being more honest in the text when they call it a lie, but with all of Biden's lies maybe it is time to start calling Biden a liar.
In every post on Reason, always remember Reason supported Biden in the 2020 election, not just over Trump, but over every candidate running.
Here Are 10 Ways the 2020 Presidential Election Was Obviously Stolen
1. Before the 2020 Election Drop Boxes were inserted into the election process in multiple states in reaction to COVID. These were unconstitutional.
2. Absentee ballots for any reason were unconstitutionally allowed in multiple states.
3. Republican and independent observers were not allowed in polling places across the nation.
4. Republicans were not allowed in vote counting centers in key major cities.
5. Accurate counts of ballots during the 2020 Election were never provided.
6. Multiple states where President Trump was way ahead on Election night were suddenly shut down for the night and then hundreds of thousands of ballots for Joe Biden were inserted into the election.
7. The Roll: After the “drops” of ballots on Election Night, the ballots recorded from that day forward were all proportionally reported for the candidates giving Joe Biden the same percent lead in nearly every ballot drop.
8. Dual controls were missing across the board in multiple locations and functions. Dual controls (i.e. having a Democrat and a Republican involved in the transfer, recording, and maintenance of records) were missing across the country in multiple locations as absentee ballots and other functions lacked proper controls necessary to prevent fraud.
9. Legally required chain of custody documentation is missing across multiple states. In these states where the chain of custody documentation is missing, the election results should never have been certified.
10. The collusion among numerous states makes this a Racketeering operation.
plus:10. The collusion among numerous states makes this a Racketeering operation. The video evidence of this occurrence was redacted from the public report to maintain confidentiality and protect the individuals who deleted the files. TGWHere Are 10 Ways the 2020 Presidential Election Was Obviously Stolen
1. Before the 2020 Election Drop Boxes were inserted into the election process in multiple states in reaction to COVID. These were unconstitutional.
2. Absentee ballots for any reason were unconstitutionally allowed in multiple states.
3. Republican and independent observers were not allowed in polling places across the nation.
4. Republicans were not allowed in vote counting centers in key major cities.
5. Accurate counts of ballots during the 2020 Election were never provided.
6. Multiple states where President Trump was way ahead on Election night were suddenly shut down for the night and then hundreds of thousands of ballots for Joe Biden were inserted into the election.
7. The Roll: After the “drops” of ballots on Election Night, the ballots recorded from that day forward were all proportionally reported for the candidates giving Joe Biden the same percent lead in nearly every ballot drop.
8. Dual controls were missing across the board in multiple locations and functions. Dual controls (i.e. having a Democrat and a Republican involved in the transfer, recording, and maintenance of records) were missing across the country in multiple locations as absentee ballots and other functions lacked proper controls necessary to prevent fraud.
9. Legally required chain of custody documentation is missing across multiple states. In these states where the chain of custody documentation is missing, the election results should never have been certified.
10. The collusion among numerous states makes this a Racketeering operation.
plus:10. The collusion among numerous states makes this a Racketeering operation. The video evidence of this occurrence was redacted from the public report to maintain confidentiality and protect the individuals who deleted the files. - Gateway Pundit
But don't worry people, Reason says it is all a delusion. No reason to work for election integrity in the next election. All is wonderful!
Plus: The full forensic audit of Maricopa County concluded hundreds of thousands of ballot discrepancies and elections law violations, including the deletion of election files before providing the machines to auditors.
The video evidence of this occurrence was redacted from the public report to maintain confidentiality and protect the individuals who deleted the files. GWP
ELECTION FRAUD ON VIDEO: Maricopa County Election Workers CAUGHT RED-HANDED Deleting “Archived” Files From Server Before Delivery To Auditors
I bring this up a lot. When America was founded, the most powerful weapons in existence (warships) were frequently privately-owned. True, the biggest ones were only found in state navies, but even just focusing on cannons shows that private ownership of extremely powerful weapons was commonplace.
One of the powers of the President is the issuance of Letters of Marque. This is SPECIFICALLY authorizing the use of privately-owned warships ("privateers") against the nation's enemies.
During the first few years following the Revolutionary War, we had a nearly-non-existent navy, and some coastal anti-piracy patrols were by privateers. After a battle, if the loser's ship was any good, the winner would add it to their fleet, or take it home and sell it. There were a couple of ships that were captured, captured back, then RE-captured.
After all, don't all good stories involve pirates?
Biden has a Butt Pirate as Transportation Secretary.
Ewwwww...
No one wants guns in the hands of criminals and crazy people. Righty? Someone has to have the balls to actually take action. Like everything else humans do, it won't be perfect (just like right now gun laws/policies aren't perfect), but we have to at least TRY.
There is a man suffering from dementia who has NUCLEAR WEAPONS, and you're okay with THAT . . .
The needle on my sarcasm meter is hunting, hunting...
Biden's claims about ANYTHING are a stupid reason to pass a law.
Tuccille was being intentionally misleading. Than==ey can be sued for defects. The issue is misuse. Did he get his NRA check?
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He's not being intentionally misleading. He says that. The very point is that a manufacturer should not be liable for intentional misuse of his products.
When was the last time GM or Ford were hit with lawsuits over liability for their role in creating the dangers of reckless/drunk/distracted driving?
Or Dodge for making the "Hellcat" and "Demon" lines of engines? What's the scenario where anyone needs 700+ horsepower and a 200+ mph top speed in a vehicle on roads where the max speed limits are 75-80 mph?
Or the electric car makers? Who needs a car that can nearly silently go from 0 to 60 mph in under 4 seconds?
Maybe some lawsuits against Carl's Jr., Chili's, and any number of other restaurants are in order as well. Nobody needs to be consuming upwards of 3000 Calories in a single sitting (let alone a single dish)...
You can cut the salami any way you like, but regarding Biden on Firearms, sad to note, Biden has more baloney than Carter’s had pills, Little Liver Pills or otherwise. The foregoing is putting it politely.
From another aspect, what’s the difference between Biden and a Persian rug. Hard to tell, as they both lie.
Biden hasnt lost all his marbles, but there's a hole in the bag.
The wisest and most responsible criteria to bear arms already exists in the first line of 2a.
People who won’t or can’t meet the criteria of “a well regulated militia” are a danger to society when they bear arms under any circumstances, even self defence.
How is demonstrating proficiency and responsibility before bearing arms unreasonable in any way?
It’s no different than having vehicle operating licences. Is that unreasonable?
Because that would put the ability to deny firearms to people in the hands of politicians and the government they control. “Shall not be infringed” means that these politicians do not legally or morally have this power.
Progressive: "the power of government shouldn’t be expanded based on lies"
Libertarian: "the power of government shouldn't be expanded, period"
See the difference?
Stop pretending that you are a libertarian, Tuccille.
Since when have the "Progressives" cared about their government expansions being based on the truth?
Social Security was initially sold as something that could be sustained indefinitely by a 2% payroll tax. The "progressive" base is still pushing the idea that SS and Medicare costs growing past their "dedicated" tax revenues is a myth invented by those looking to destroy those programs (despite the fact that both have already occurred). Any DSA loyalist will tell you that Bernie's plan fully "pays for" a 100%+ expansion of annual government spending, despite the proven history of the taxes he's pushing as being able to raise $Trillions actually being net-negative in terms of revenue generation.
When was the last time anyone on the left quantified the term "fair share"?
Most progressives I know can't even seem to comprehend the idea that power that isn't in the hands of the government can't be abuse by those who run the government. Or that if the government doesn't have the ability to make or break any business venture on a bureaucrat's whim, that would get corporate money out of politics since corporations wouldn't have to buy access as a means of survival.
Progressives sincerely believe that their policies are based in rational analysis and reason. For example, they believed that forcibly sterilizing people was going to be good for everybody, ditto with mandating segregation, prohibiting alcohol, Keynesianism, etc. They are dumb and uninformed, but they are (for the most part) sincere.
Progressives are to rational government as a science fair baking soda volcano is to actual science. They just don’t know any better.
No, a baking soda volcano actually erupts. This is unlike progressive projects, which nearly always produce the opposite of what it's claimed they do. If the science fair volcano was labeled "Vacuum - Sucks Everything In", it would be like a progressive claim.
since certain people in the District of Criminals are protected by small armies with evil firearms up to and including a minigun, those people should recuse themselves from any legislating over firearms