Biden Defends the Military's 'Preparation and Precision' in a Counterterrorism Operation That Killed Syrian Kids
Multiple children died in the raid, but so did the leader of ISIS—which makes the operation “successful” in the Pentagon’s book.

President Joe Biden announced today that a U.S. raid in northwestern Syria killed top Islamic State leader Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi. Al-Qurayshi became the leader of the Islamic State after the death of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who was killed in a similar 2019 raid led by U.S. Special Operations forces.
"Last night at my direction, U.S. military forces in northwest Syria successfully undertook a counterterrorism operation to protect the American people and our Allies, and make the world a safer place," Biden said in a statement. In Thursday morning remarks on the raid, he praised the "signature preparation and precision" U.S. troops employed in carrying out the attack, and noted that he "directed the Department of Defense to take every precaution possible to minimize civilian casualties."
Lost in that framing, however, is the civilian death toll. Syrian defense group the White Helmets reported that at least 13 people were killed during the operation, including six children and four women. "In the planning process, the U.S. military was very concerned about the family living on the first floor," reported CBS News. "Before the operation started, troops called out for civilians to leave the building."
It must be said that civilians died at the hands of al-Qurayshi, who detonated a bomb at the beginning of the operation. Biden notes that al-Qurayshi "had chosen to surround himself with families, including children." There is no getting around the fact that he and his group stand for, and have done, terrible things.
But the Pentagon has called this operation "successful," and Biden, though he spent ample time chastising al-Qurayshi for his role in the civilian deaths, did not express regret for them himself.
Since the beginning of the year, the U.S. has shown questionable regard for civilians and children in its military operations in the Middle East. U.S. forces launched airstrikes against a prison holding Islamic State fighters in late January, despite nearly 700 children being detained there. "It is unclear how many of the detained boys had been fighters and how many were in detention simply because they were deemed too old to be in camps for ISIS families," reported The New York Times. Teenage inmates were among the nearly 500 people ultimately killed as Syrian Democratic Forces and U.S. forces fought to regain control of the prison.
January also saw numerous reports of past attacks that are now receiving increased scrutiny. During previous campaigns against the Islamic State, the U.S. military placed the ISIS-controlled Tabqa Dam, the largest dam in Syria, on a no-strike list. A U.S. Special Operations unit bombed it in 2017 anyway—despite a military report that warned against an attack, saying the ensuing flood could "kill tens of thousands of civilians." Conduct in Afghanistan came under fire in January as well. The New York Times published footage of an August 29 U.S. military strike in Kabul that killed 10 civilians (including seven children), clearly showing that children were in the vicinity prior to the attack.
One day after the Times released footage from Kabul, congressional Democrats sent a letter to Biden condemning "repeated civilian casualties arising from secretive and unaccountable lethal operations." Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin issued a directive just one week later, calling on the military to "improve upon efforts to protect civilians."
Indeed, Biden alluded to this rising concern as he discussed Thursday's attack. "We made this choice to minimize civilian casualties," Biden said of the decision to carry out a raid rather than an airstrike. That may be true, but inflicting civilian casualties and nonetheless praising the precision of the attack is simply callous.
There is still a question mark lingering over U.S. military engagement in Syria and how much longer our operations will be necessary—an issue that Biden did not address in his remarks. Former President Barack Obama said back in 2014 that the campaign against ISIS would "be a long-term campaign. There are not quick fixes involved." But given the current state of the fight, it is unclear why we remain involved eight years later.
Even in the group's early years, ISIS did not pose an existential threat to the U.S.; it certainly doesn't now. The group was effectively defeated years ago and has not held territory in Iraq or Syria since 2019. Still, roughly 900 U.S. troops are currently stationed in Syria and are tasked with fighting ISIS. The Biden administration says it's unlikely to withdraw them anytime soon (despite there being no congressional authorization for this presence). For as long as they're stationed there, they'll face attacks from militias that want them to leave.
America's involvement in Syria carries dangers to civilians and U.S. troops alike, and our military departure is long overdue. An ISIS leader was killed today, but U.S. officials should not minimize the civilian casualties that accompanied his death. Unless they concede that we can and should do more to reduce harm, civilians will continue to suffer.
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I hope in the very least that we'll be spared any nonsense about how "heroic" Biden is.
He heroically distracted America from his failures with a daring pre-dawn raid.
I don't think too many people were distracted by this. Most people said "is ISIS still a thing?"
It's the, "Your 4th of July is 16¢ cheaper this year!" of military strikes.
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When a terrorist detonates a suicide vest, the resulting casualties are his responsibility.
Terrorists using hostages as shields are the ones responsible if the hostages are harmed.
Exactly. Biden is a piece of shit and a terrible president. But the terrorist detonated the bomb and killed those kids, not Biden or US forces.
All the same,
You smell that? Nothing else in the world smells like that. It smells like... little girls' hair shampoo... Some day this war's gonna end.
Two more weeks.
you are a liar and so is biden your kids should be bombed
Yeah, this is definitely an attempt to fit a square narrative into a round fact.
The dead children " knew what they were getting into" didnt they you fuckstick?
Do you use kneepads kneeling in front of Biden or do you go " raw?"
""Last night at my direction, U.S. military forces in northwest Syria successfully undertook a counterterrorism operation to protect the American people and our Allies, and make the world a safer place," Biden said"
. You are a lying piece of shit.
There are no expletives bad enough for fucking human debris like you who excuse this asshole biden for child murder.
May you burn in hell
I agree but the Trumpican Party members on here will disagree with your precise explanation.
I question the timing and choice of location for the strike. If they can put a whole team on the ground and a helicopter in the air, there could have been a sniper across the street or a drone waiting for him to step out for groceries.
The direct onus of the deaths is on the hand that pulled the trigger, but a measure of sin also is due to those who chose to involve children.
"Last night at my direction, U.S. military forces in northwest Syria successfully undertook a counterterrorism operation to protect the American people and our Allies, and make the world a safer place,"
Unlike the head of Al Qaeda, which Biden recommended not taking out. You know, someone who actually attacked the US.
Eugene Volokh ran a series of drafts of an article he's writing concerning collateral damage -- if someone gets triggered and kills people -- if a robber kills a hostage when someone else doesn't open a safe -- lots of interesting scenarios and how the law treats them.
My bottom line is that the criminal is always ultimately responsible for the harm, regardless of whether any one else could have obeyed his commands which might have, and might not have, ameliorated the criminal's subsequent actions.
As much as I despise Biden, and as much as I think the US has no business over there, this is 100% on the ISIS leader. Anyone who surrounds himself with children to discourage foreseeable retribution is a simple coward.
"Retribution"? For what?
"but for" rule
You are absolutely correct.
David Koresh was an accused dealer in methamphetomines and machine guns. The U.S. government was justified in burning to death the women and children around him in order to bring justice to this criminal.
Except the Davidians set the fires.
This is also generally the disposition of international law. The Geneva Conventions specifically state that if a party to armed conflict controls civilians, they are responsible for keeping those people from harm by keeping them away from combat operations where they may be injured. Terrorists like these deliberately put civilians in harms way for exactly the types of agitprop that is printed above. The logical result of ignoring this moral calculus is for bad people to do MORE of this behavior, making civilian deaths even MORE likely.
All that said- it is quite easy for me to declare a pox on both houses. The US should not be in Syria. The only reason the US decided to raid this fucker's house is that the bumbling administration needs a win and the amateurs running things in the Whitehouse are so naïve that they believe killing some 2-bit warlord will do enough to make this dead cat bounce. The cynicism on display in our government should be enough to make anyone puke. That it is compounded by some dickhead, ISIS fuck characteristically flaunting international laws of war doesn't actually help.
It must be said that civilians died at the hands of al-Qurayshi, who detonated a bomb at the beginning of the operation.
Then why is the entire article about our military inflicting civilian casualties? Fuck off.
"Then why is the entire article about our military inflicting civilian casualties?"
Because ALL the facts don't fit the narrative. So you leave some out. Where have you been?
Claiming masks still work even after the cdc finally relents is where he has been.
That line annoyed me as well, sarcasmic. It was like an afterthought, and then right back to whatever crap narrative Harrigan was peddling today.
this is 100% on the ISIS leader. Anyone who surrounds himself with children to discourage foreseeable retribution is a simple coward.
Been a while, but here goes - In this case (and so many others), yes, but there are limits under Geneva. You can't carpet bomb a city to get one guy with a pointed stick.
Obama's/Trump's murderdrone campaign may fall into the latter, where predictable civilian casualties were disregarded.
"You can't carpet bomb a city to get one guy with a pointed stick."
Actually, you can. And we did.
You can carpet bomb a city to get the workers in a weapons factory.
To be fair many of the Geneva conventions would make (eg) Dresden illegal.
Forgot when the US declared war on northwest Syria.
It must be said that civilians died at the hands of al-Qurayshi, who detonated a bomb at the beginning of the operation. Biden notes that al-Qurayshi "had chosen to surround himself with families, including children." There is no getting around the fact that he and his group stand for, and have done, terrible things.
Perhaps this article should be re-written to ask if we should be involved at all in Syria, a perfectly fair and reasonable question. But IF we decide that we should be there (and by the proximate indicators of the democratic process, we have decided we should be there), if some fuckwad surrounds himself with children and detonates a bomb in a blaze of glory, kids gon' get kilt.
Thought we were required to declare war.
Not since we quit numbering them.
Like fat women that tear the size label off their clothes?
We stopped doing that after FDR.
Why would you think that? We didn't in the First Barbary War (back in 1801).
Korea was a UN police action. Not a war... except by every other definition of a war.
Thought we were required to declare war.
The new unspoken standard seems to be that war is considered declared as long as Congress doesn't actively stop it.
Chumby, I am with you on that one. Thought Congress had to vote on use of force in places like Syria.
This is the same twisted logic pro Palestine idiots use to attack Israel. The person choosing to maximize civilian casualties is the problem, not the person who imperfectly tries to minimize them. God I feel dirty defending Biden, but in this case and with this framing it seems an unwarranted attack.
I’m old enough to remember when a previous president tried to get troops out of Syria but the military unlawfully ignored his order, and Reason didn’t care because Orange Man Bad.
The adult diapers are back in the room.
Funny, I seem to have the same recollection. I wonder what Harrigan had to say back then....
The terrorist killed those kids.
Dude blew himself up along with his family.
This is not the operation to hammer the US over sloppiness for.
Not sloppiness so much as being overly comfortable with collateral damage.
It certainly was hamhanded and needlessly flashy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10473733/24-commandos-Apache-helicopters-Reaper-drones-mission-kill-ISIS-leader-unfolded.html
According to the Daily Mail the commandos had to destroy one of their helicopters. They did that in the Bin Laden raid as well. Is it becoming a tradition?
It's been a tradition since the failed Iran rescue attempt 40+ years ago
Helicopters are fragile as heck
it was shot down
This is a good example where the government's lies and stupidity bite them in the ass. If I ask the obvious question--"why was this strike necessary?"--I suppose I'll get the usual "sorry that's classified". So we have to take it on trust.
That's kinda hard with people who have used up all their trust a long time ago.
CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER!
Come on, man! That was four days ago, five days ago!
Dear Reason, fire Fionna Harrigan, she's a deranged idiot.
I mean, seriously. There's at least some possible discussion about civilian casualties when those casualties are actually caused by the US military.
But the civilians here were killed by al-Qurayshi.
She could pull out to the importance of fighting ISIS and how pointless all the loss of life is given the insignificance of it, but by starting with a terrorist killed civilians and it's the fault of the US, I just assume it's a dishonest piece.
I feel like, if the headline was a little overwrought, the article basically hit this point.
She is saying that even if these ISIS asses are at fault, engaging in the operation wasn't necessary, and to call it a "success" is pretty cynical.
I don't think this is a bad take at all. We should give fuck all consideration to the happenings of Syria. And while I blame the shithead ISIS leader for killing civilians, it doesn't mean that the US had to be involved at all.
The "moderate rebels" are still kicking around, eh?
Want something fucked up? Give it to droolin' Joe.
I'd shoot the hostages first. Hostage takers don't expect that, so it'd discombobulate them, and then once the hostages are out of the way, what else they got?
Oh, you're with the Polish Special Forces? = I'd shoot the hostages first. Hostage takers don't expect that, so it'd discombobulate them...
The element of surprise.
No, actually it's because I don't think I could resist the chance to do something off-the-charts evil, and be the only one who knew I got away with it.
Seek psychological help immediately = I don't think I could resist the chance to do something off-the-charts evil, and be the only one who knew I got away with it
Little disturbed that some people here are not only believing the government's bullshit but defending it too. But let's assume that it's as they say, there can be two parties at fault here for the dead kids: the terrorist and the Pentagon.
Of course, we shouldn't be mucking around in Syria anyway.
"Is this my country?"
No.
"Then why the fuck are we here?"
Where do we draw the line on that?
This may not be the case to argue the point on, but at some point the sheep dog has to step in.
Not everyone is down with fuck you got mine pacifism.
"It must be said that civilians died at the hands of al-Qurayshi, who detonated a bomb at the beginning of the operation. Biden notes that al-Qurayshi "had chosen to surround himself with families, including children."
Why are we talking about a murder-suicide in terms of civilian casualties?
Are you claiming that high value military targets shouldn't be hit if it means the target's family might get hurt?
This guy was the head of ISIS? Is that right?
If he was once affiliated with Al Qaeda, he's a legitimate target of the AUMF for Afghanistan.
See? The good thing about libertarians like Ken is there’s always some good excuse for the American military to go murder someone— especially kids. Bravo Ken— as a gay, Black msn in the GOP you are making this Republican Party member even prouder.
Can someone tell my why we have troops in Syria?
Iraqi Sunnis fled to Syria when we invaded their country and set up their own caliphate so we kinda created ISIS.
You know… the other reason I vote for the GOP— other than, of course, the institutional racism of the DemocRAT party— is the sterling record of the Republican Party on keeping the US out of war and their record of minimal defense budgets. I mean, how many people did Trump kill other than those he slayed with his intellect on Twitter. Precious fucking few.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/07/27/iraq-us-trained-forces-linked-mosul-war-crimes
Just one question... Did the guy ever leave his home?
You know, the place where he deliberately surrounded himself with hostages, apparantly. Some of this undoubtedly high level military strategy may escape me, but if we have the capability to insert and extract soldiers (albeit sans helicopter), maybe our over-the-horizon drone capabilities and a spotter could have been more effective...?
Two cents from the peanut gallery. Letting a jihadi suicide his family and neighbors ahead of a strike is a pretty shitty thing to call a victory.
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That is a good question, isn't it = All this attack really does is make you wonder how this guy was just chilling in Turkish controlled territory a few hundred meters from a Turkish military command center and a police station.
Would you actually believe Erdogan's answer?
"Similar to the questions surrounding the harbor of bin laden in Pakistan upon his death."
This is even worse. One is left to wonder if the American government pretty much knows where each of these assholes is, and tolerates their existence up to the point they need to push bad news off the front page.
The Drone Ranger Rides Again.
How many children did Biden and Obozo murder?
Goddamn Democrats cant get enough of molesting and killing children.
FUCK Joe Biden
I think the questions are better directed toward Pakistan and Turkey. They did not know? Really? Do you find their protestations of ignorance believable?
Yep. About where I am at on this.