Why Are Vaccinated Americans Still Worrying About COVID?
Maybe it's because pandemic policies are forcing them to continue being anxious.

Anxiety over COVID-19 might be an unhappy side effect of getting vaccinated against the disease.
I'm kidding, but you could be forgiven for drawing that tongue-in-cheek conclusion from a new Morning Consult/New York Times poll showing that vaccinated (and boosted) Americans are about twice as likely to say they are "very" or "somewhat" concerned about "getting sick from COVID-19 within the next year."
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— Kat Rosenfield (@katrosenfield) January 25, 2022
That is, of course, the exact opposite of what the actual science tells us. Even during the tremendous surge in COVID cases caused by the omicron variant, vaccinated individuals have had far less to worry about. According to recent studies out of the U.K. and Canada, unvaccinated individuals are five times as likely to end up in the hospital than those who have received the vaccine, and vaccination has reduced the risk of ending up in an intensive care unit (ICU) by more than 93 percent. If you've been vaxxed and boosted, you're roughly 50 times less likely to end up hospitalized with COVID than someone who has not received a single dose, according to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Vaccinated individuals without any serious underlying health issues are as safe from COVID as anyone could hope to be. And, thankfully, many vaccinated Americans are embracing the "vaxxed and done" mentality—at least in places where local and state governments are allowing a return to normalcy.
But, clearly, that's not true for everyone. The new Morning Consult poll calls to mind a line from humorist Dave Barry's 2021 "year in review" column. "Many Americans have been vaccinated but continue to act as though they have not," Barry wrote, in what is supposed to be satire. "Many other Americans have not been vaccinated but act as though they have."
And here's The New York Times' David Leonhardt, writing decidedly unsatirically about the new poll:
… and millions of Democrats have decided that organizing their lives around Covid is core to their identity as progressives, even as pandemic isolation is fueling mental-health problems, drug overdoses, violent crime, rising blood pressure and growing educational inequality.
— David Leonhardt (@DLeonhardt) January 25, 2022
This is one of those polls that's worth dissecting a bit because it's simultaneously so bizarre and yet seems to accurately reflect exactly what's happening in America as we enter the third year of the pandemic.
First, Occam's razor suggests inverting what the poll seems to be saying. It's not that people who are vaccinated are more worried about COVID—it's that people who are more worried about COVID are more likely to have gotten vaccinated. That makes perfect sense, even if it is a bit disappointing to see that having the vaccine isn't enough to convince many Americans to resume their normal lives.
Second, there might be a tendency (particularly among the "vaxxed and worried" contingent) to say it's the "unvaccinated and unconcerned" who are skewing things. Everyone should be more worried about a disease that's still killing thousands of Americans every day, right?
But I'm not sure that's quite correct. Certainly, unvaccinated individuals living in communities with low vaccination rates have more reason to be concerned about how the disease will impact them in the next year. But they're also probably more likely to have had COVID themselves or to know people who have had it. If they remain unconcerned about it, we probably have to take them at their word. (Of course, this doesn't mean they're right to be skeptical of vaccination, and they'd probably be even more at ease if they'd gotten vaccinated).
Regardless, this doesn't explain away the unwillingness of vaccinated Americans to drop their COVID anxiety—and to stop forcing that anxiety upon children, who are the real victims of the past two years. More COVID-related mandates in deep blue urban areas will not convince rural Republicans to take the disease more seriously, it turns out.
Third, and relatedly, it's impossible to discount the role that poor policy making is playing here. Places like New York City and Washington, D.C., that have imposed or reimposed mask and/or vaccine mandates in recent months also have high vaccination rates. But the ongoing layering of new rules leaves the impression that residents must escalate their anxiety accordingly—and, no surprise, that anxiety may be captured in polls like this one.
On Friday night, I attended a concert at a small venue in the suburbs of D.C. Per the club's own rules, not government mandate, everyone had to show a vaccine card to enter, and some people chose to wear masks during the show too. The headliner, who at one point described himself as "so vaccinated I could spit in your mouth and give you immunity," actually thanked the audience for coming to the show despite the fact that it felt a little bit like we were doing something illegal. It was a funny moment, but a telling one too. Everyone there was vaccinated, we were engaging in an activity that was as close to normal as possible, and yet the artist felt it necessary to acknowledge the weirdness of being normal human beings on a Friday night.
I don't know what the endgame for this pandemic paranoia is, or when we will fully escape it. It will likely be gradual, as changes in public opinion almost always are. There are things about COVID that we now have the power to control—vaccines are the best way to free yourself from the worst outcomes of this disease—and regaining some control is the first step to regaining normalcy.
Endless anxiety, on the other hand, is not healthy for individuals or society as a whole. Politicians who continue to stoke that anxiety by refusing to free the children from masks, endlessly moving the COVID goalposts, or forbidding individuals and businesses from determining their own levels of risk tolerance are not helping right now.
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another great question that should have been asked starting... I'll be conservative here and say ~June of 2021.
I'll be conservative
Mrs. Casual, essential at the time, got her first dose in Jan. '21. That evening, my first question was, "So you can stop wearing a mask at work now, right?"
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Take your vaccine religion and shove it.
How, with so many vaccinated, are deaths as higher than they were in April? Is no one paying attention to the damn numbers?
Stock numbers, yes.
They are and the vaccinated are more worried because they’re beginning to realize they still get the virus, still pass the virus and have no reason to believe they won’t get as sick (whatever that means) as they would have without the jabs.
The trouble is that people who refuse to get vaccinated against Covid-19 are not only putting themselves at risk, but are putting others at risk, as well. This is precisely why there should've been a mandatory Covid-19 vaccination mandate, nation-wide here in the United States. Mandates should not have been left up to the governors of individual states to implement as they see fit, because it's proven disastrous, in more ways than one..
This may not be the best forum for your ideas. Go hit CNNs website.
Reason shilling for the medical Deep State narrative.
Another #LibertarianMoment at the shiny new Woke Reason.
Seems to be the case. I'm really surprised.
Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden
Fauc Fucki
Fucking Brandon and FauXi.
I sincerely hope that you other commenters here are not older than 10 years of age, otherwise your mental health is questionable. I guess I have to see if you have nothing more intelligent to say than throwing out verbal smears and attacks.
https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2022/01/25/donald-trump-for-speaker-of-the-house-n2602283
You’re probably thinking this is a crazy idea, but it’s really not. There is no requirement that the Speaker be a Member of the House, or even an elected official.
Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz has been floating this idea for a while, going so far as to say he’s spoken to the former president about it.
I have no idea of the legalities of the idea, but it would freak out lefties something fierce, and is at least worth considering for that alone.
I don't know what authority the speaker has, but it would be even more awesome if he were to push impeachment against both Biden and Harris, and become President through such a crazy back door.
Politics in this country is so fucked up, and the government sticks its nose in so many places, that I'm about ready for chaos.
My wife is basically an anarchist and I always point out that it wouldn't evolve into laser guns and flying cars because you still have pieces of shit out there like Liz Cheney and Hillary Clinton.
After the last 6 years, I'm at the point where I'd almost say fuck it, let chaos reign.
Really, it's that bad? Can we burn your house down first?
Can we burn your house down first?
I'll let DesigNate speak for himself but, as for me and mine, there's nothing stopping you from trying right now.
It's not arson if you say black lives matter before you burn down a house
It's also not arson if you get shot up before you get close enough to light a fire
If he isn't a parody account, it'll be fucking hilarious when he gets Rittenhoused.
It can't really be first since you and your fellow travelers spent the better part of 2020 burning down people's houses and businesses.
That was different. Also it didn’t happen. Also right wingers actually did all the burning and looting.
Is this natural gas or LP?
Solar!
Only when you want to be carried out by six = you trying to burn down my home
If Trump is elected Speaker in November, he could conduct lots of long overdue and well deserved House investigations (with subpoena powers ) into FBI/DOJ corruption (i.e. during/after the 2016 election, the Russia collusion conspiracy, staged kidnapping of MI Gov. Meg Whitman, FBI's role in Jan 6, 2021, and Pelosi's Jan 6 Commission to cover up her failure to secure the Capitol, etc.).
It could also be the first time (to my knowledge) a House Speaker wins a presidential election (in 2024).
Cool, the plan is to waste their time in office on imaginary bs.
sounds infinitely better than the usual: dreaming up new ways to stifle innovation and steal from us.
You did exactly that for five years.
if you're going to drain the fucking swamp, standing in the middle of it with a huuuuuuuuuge gavel is a better place to start than 1600 PA Avenue
I don't know what authority the speaker has, but it would be even more awesome if he were to push impeachment against both Biden and Harris, and become President through such a crazy back door.
OPSEC Red Teaming FTW.
Nothing in the Constitution prohobits tge House from chusing a feral cat as Speaker.
Truth be told, none of the Hoise Democrats wanted the Speaker's gavel from 2021-2023. I guess chusing a feral cat would have been animal cruelty.
because every "vaccinated" person I know has contracted the omicrons.
Personally, not every vaccinated person. Absolutely more cases and more recurring cases among the vaccinated than elsewhere.
I'm in the land of the Blue, so everyone is vaccinated up the yin yang. The kids are vaccinated. Fuck, I think I saw a Pfizer agent chasing a squirrel down the street with a needle the other day.
We are all vaccinated in CA, and we are all sick. And even people who caught the Wu Flu in 2020 are getting it again.
All these healthy vaccinated people are getting the bug. AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENED.
showing that vaccinated (and boosted) Americans are about twice as likely to say they are "very" or "somewhat" concerned about "getting sick from COVID-19 within the next year."
That is, of course, the exact opposite of what the actual science tells us
Given the efficacy of the "vaccines", I'm not sure it is.
Anecdote: The small child of a good friend of mine got covid. Suffered with 'tiredness' for about 24 hours, then was back to normal the next day. Double vaxxed wife got it, had a rather unpleasant experience for about a week. Friend, unvaxxed (former stroke victim and is exempt due to possible side effects) never got it, never had any symptoms.
I have driven drunk and never had an accident, so everyone can drive drunk and will never have an accident, right?
You’re comparing drunk driving with catching a disease with a 99% survival rate?
Everyone who drives or is even a passenger should be forced to take a breathalyzer every time and take that medication that makes you throw up if you drink alcohol, just because some people drive drunk. /s
This is the better rejoinder that I didn't think of.
Yes, that passed. Breathalyzers in all cars come 2030 is infrastructure.
That is a great response. Tucking that away for future arguments. And that med is Antabuse, BTW.
I imagine drunk driving has a better than 99% survival rate too. Pick a better analogy.
Particularly with how low the bar is set for "drunk driving." I don't personally know a single person that's gotten into an accident while drunk, though I know plenty that have picked up a DUI.
Or didn't kill anyone else.
But the unvaxxed are killing other people!
So what good is the vaccine?
It stops you from being killed!
So then the unvaxxed are only killing other unvaxxed!
No, the vaxxed are still vulnerable, they can both catch it and spread it! Colin Powell was vaccinated and still died of covid! Because of the unvaxxed!
So what good did the vaccine do him?
He would have died... ffasterer without it.
*stares blankly*
If this were even close to a valid analogy, I'd engage.
Eric, you should ask Reason science reporter Ron Bailey why he's still worrying about COVID? Despite vaccinated status, he cancelled his Holiday travel plans...
SCIENCE!!!
Just look at the responses to her tweet. That will fully explain why vaccinated people are still scared of covid. (If it's not clear, it's because they are mental basket cases.)
Even better? The people shitting all over DeSantis for daring to complain about the FDA killing access to two of the monoclocal antibody treatments because "they aren't useful against Omicron". If I bothered with twitter I'd respond to every one of them "neither is the vaccine you fucking moron".
They should pull the EUA on the vaccines, because they aren't effective against every single disease. Consistency.
If I bothered with twitter I'd respond to every one of them "Neither is
the vaccine you fucking moronfentanyl but you don't kneel on people's necks over that do you?".FIFY
They are mental basket cases only over COVID, for god knows what reason. A guy I know who had COVID and has had three vaccine shots is still worried about catching it. When I asked why, since the chances he’d get seriously I’ll are minuscule, he said “I’m worried about getting long term COVID symptoms”. This despite the fact that there’s been no discussion by anyone about this risk and it didn’t happen when he had COVID earlier. And it’s not like he holes himself up every winter to avoid the flu. But COVID….
So he'll make himself paranoid and nervous, leading to actual health problems ;/
Time to shame these idiot science-deniers, right?
Science is decided by the politics of the scientist. If they have your politics then they are correct. If they don't then they are liars.
We know that's how you think and how you've always thought. That's why you could dismiss well cited and well known scientists for appearing on Rogan. Why learn or educate yourself, learning is hard. You'd rather be a failure all your life in your one bedroom apartment. LOL.
You can believe the immunology and virology that existed prior to the advent of The Science in 2020 or you can believe the New Immunology and Virology that has been decreed by The Science to be true and utterly unquestionable.
Your choice.
Be advised though, that among other the things, The Science is incapable of telling the difference between a boy and a girl.
Bullshit. The experts on this board have made it very clear that the vaccine does nothing at all. At best it's a treatment, but it isn't a vaccine because it doesn't stop people from being sick. Not only that, but the vaccine itself kills people. And it has a multitude of unknown long term side effects. Prove it doesn't. You can't. That's proof that it does.
On top of that, every physician in the world is in on the scam. They all say the vaccine helps, which is a lie. So they're all in league with governments to force us all to take a dangerous treatment under the guise of a vaccine.
It's a worldwide conspiracy. Everyone is in on it.
Except those who really know what's going on.
Way to knock down that strawman, dude.
More like reductio ad absurdum.
Which is a logical fallacy. You admit to arguing in bad faith.
Pull the broom out of your ass Mister Serious All The Time.
And he retreats to "it's sarcasm!". Tomorrow it will be "i never said that."
“I was hacked”.
Pull the broom out of your ass Mister Serious All The Time.
A deep seated hatred of scarecrows? That would explain your fascination with straw men and the 'libertarianism' of White Mike. Caw! Caw!
No. I think that some people take life to seriously.
The ticket stub I have from when I saw George Carlin says "If you are easily offended, please do not attend."
I doubt you would have enjoyed it.
His setups are funny. Meatcake. Hilarious.
You are not. Your whole schtick for the last year has been 'don't put words in my mouth'. Yet, here you are, day after day, saying hateful things that you supposedly don't agree with and attributing the animus to others.
But the hatred is all yours. The bulk of your 'mute list' are just frustrated and instead of rational argument, you troll them with fallacy and promote socialists as 'the real libertarians'. It breeds contempt.
Reductio ad absurdum, indeed.
Good summation. Especially where he is less funny than Hannah Gatsby.
Reductio is not a fallacy and is a valid and very useful logical technique if you actually use it properly. But you need to actually prove that your premises lead to a contradiction.
When used as a rhetorical technique it is often nothing but strawmanning, but I would say that it not actually reductio ad absurdum.
Like any argumentative strategy, reductio ad absurdum can be misused and abused, but in itself it is not a form of fallacious reasoning. A related form of argument, the slippery slope argument, takes reductio ad absurdum to an extreme and is often (but not always) fallacious.
We can certainly conclude that the failed attempt at reductio ad absurdum is a logical fallacy. Hard to say that the argument presented above is a slippery slope, though. The first conclusion proposed above "Prove it doesn't. You can't. That's proof that it does." is not necessarily false. The garbage about lying doctors and conspiracies don't even flow from it. It is just projected hatred.
You are correct that it is not reductio ad absurdum. It is not honest discourse, it is just absurd.
Reductio ad absurdum is also known as "reducing to an absurdity." It involves characterizing an opposing argument in such a way that it seems to be ridiculous, or the consequences of the position seem ridiculous.
Except you didn't do that, you created a strawman due to your ignorance. You aren't intelligent sarc.
That has to be sarc. He is a strawman master
Straw man? Really?
I know you hang out here pretty much every day, so you couldn’t possibly have missed that all these things have been said here.
Cite?
THE VACCINE IS A GLOBALIST SATANIC PEDOPHILE PLOT TO TAKE UR RIGHTS AWAY!
So that's why you like the mandates so much
No doubt. I don't think he cares about taking away the rights as long as he can still diddle kids.
Coming from an actual paedophile, should I take it that you're being serious?
Have you stuck your dick in a wall socket yet? Go try it.
Not just a straw man, but, "Prove it doesn't. You can't. That's proof that it does." is exactly how clinical trials are supposed to work. If you can't demonstrate your product is not harmful, then it is assumed that it is.
You are advocating for Lysenkoism, abandoning the scientific method in favor of political consensus.
Meanwhile, people are vaccinating their children, who are at statistically insignificant risk from COVID, using a brand new method with zero long term studies. Solely because of a belief in 'public health experts'. You better pray they are right, because you have no scientific basis for your belief that they are.
I didn't advocate for a damn thing. I was just making fun of people like you.
No, you were being your usual statist idiot. The conservatives or your enemies say one thing, so you have to attack that position. Then you have the gall to claim others use that tact when it is your primary tactic.
Alas, poor Sarcasmic! I knew him, Horatio. A fellow of infinite distraction, of most excellent fallacy. He hath borne me on his back a thousand times. And now how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it.
Yeah lady. Whatever you say.
Yeah lady. Whatever you say.
You often claim a sense of humor, yet we mostly see it displayed only superficially, to deflect from criticism. When presented with humor directly, you refrain from engagement.
Am I fooling myself in concluding that I am not the one who can't take a fucking joke?
The question is why? Because Chuck's position is logical and blind faith in government bureaucrats is not.
Cry harder, you drunk progshit.
No worries here.
I am no dumbass anti-vaxxer.
but the Neil Young vs Joe Rogan spat is entertaining.
Who would guess old hippies would back censorship?
Everyone who paid attention to hippies.
isn't he Canadian?
It is kinda funny. It isn’t like there wasn’t a lot of misinformation, sometimes with deadly consequences, circulating within the Sixties counterculture.
Well, the hippies also weren't going all-in to shill for big pharma and the gov't either, so there's that.
Vaccination status is not the primary driver of deaths. Full stop. Age and comorbidities are:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
Once you understand that, you can realize why vaccination status isn't the driver of fear.
So that is a reason not to take the vaccine?
If JesseAZ doesn't want to take the vaccine, then good for him. Let him die. No one will miss him.
That's not true. His girlfriends Mother's Lament and R Mac will miss him. But that's it.
And sarc forgets to switch socks. Hilarious.
I wonder what kind of malicious things he had to say in reaction to my comments.
Ha! Just kidding. I don't care.
I attacked him first, but he's the mean one who responded.
What a joke you are Sarc. I actually responded to an argument. You never do so. You never provide intelligent discourse nor do you even try.
Hey fucknut. Dropping a turd on all my posts isn't going to get me to unmute you. jeff did a week or two ago and I laughed at him for being Charlie Brown kicking a football with you being Lucy. Your comments are worthless, just like you. But keep dropping turds on my posts that I will never read. It's the only thing in the world that you are good at.
Wow, you really are dense. You went after me first dummy. Timestamps don't lie.
Jeff never mutes me, he messed up the day prior and I called him out on it, so he pretended he had unmuted me. I responded to each of his posts. Which everyone knows as they aren't muted when you mute me dummy.
You are not an intelligent person.
Hey slacker. You've only dropped a turd on 11 out of 16 posts of mine. Get busy trolling!
And I've responded to each of your idiotic posts pointing out how unintelligent you are.
You attacked first with your "ideas" dummy. Lol.
LOL. I'm vaccinated dimwit. I've told you that many times. I'm also not a scared little drunken child who lives in fear of Covid.
But this is what you must mean when you say you only discuss Ideas.
See, we might agree on something.
Vaccine = good. COVID hysteria overblown and needs to end now. No more mandates including planes. Stop the bullshit.
If you agree this is historic.
He will be forced to disagree as a matter of principle.
You do understand how ignorant you are creating strawman arguments that others can see right? You claim you block me, but then feel free to make up arguments despite the arguments being visible to others. You look really really stupid.
Shrike, that has been my position since Jan of 2019. I'm not new to that position.
Oddly it has been you, brandy, sarc and others attacking said position such as when you call Trump or DeSantis anti-vaxxers despite nearly the entire right side saying get vaccinated, don't get tested.
And no, kids should not get vaccinated based on the data we have today.
saying get vaccinated, don't get tested.
sorry, get vaccinated, get tested, no mandates*
We can all agree that you are a pedo who posted child porn on Reason and then was banned for it. We can all agree that you really ought to go away and burn this handle. Come back as some other identity, but to continue posting as the guy who posted CP makes you pretty despicable, tbh.
Not taking the vaccine is not a death sentence.
Jesus H. Science.
If vaccine were the primary driver of death (or lack thereof) then being unvaccinated might actually result in that.
We can go to Pfizer application if you want. They said in their application that the risks of covid in children are so small that protection with a vaccine was statistically insignificant.
Meanwhile thousands of kids will have some side effect like myocarditis for a non risk.
That's why libertarians actually balance their own risk analysis shrike. You authoritarians hate individual choice.
We did the math on this last night- if you are a healthy male child, you are probably more likely to end up in the hospital with vaccine induced myocarditis than with COVID.
And that is only for diagnosed myocarditis. There are many cases not reported. Dr McCullough on Rogan cited a study that showed children with cases of myocarditis on average had a 6% reduced life span. It isn't insignificant. But these people who say the vaccines have no risks so make kids who have no risk from the virus take it without any actual risk analysis.
Well, first, who knows if this myocarditis is as bad as traditional versions that tended to affect people with immune response problems.
And, it is worth remembering that we are talking about like .015% of the population getting this illness. It is terribly rare.
I am not trying to downplay the risk- but the really sad thing is that they are forcing this vaccine on kids who have no real risk of being ill from the virus in the first place. You are mitigating a tiny, tiny risk to healthy children with a vaccine that is slightly *more* likely to cause a bad side effect.
And it is also noteworthy that the math favors female kids getting the jab. But again, we are talking about forcing (and yes, public schools are requiring this, even if whole states haven't) kids to ameliorate a tiny, tiny, tiny risk to themselves. It just isn't worth it. It should be like the flu shot- get it if you want it.
Absolutely yes, that is a reason.
I have virtually no risk from Covid.
The jab does not stop me spreading it.
The jab is wholly unnecessary for me.
Also many democrats are just plain stupid and don't actually realize the risk Covid has.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimates-covid-hospitalization-risk.aspx
The results show that most Americans overstate the risk of hospitalization for both groups: 92% overstate the risk that unvaccinated people will be hospitalized, and 62% overstate the risk for vaccinated people.
I've been trying to catch covid for nearly two years (to obtain natural immunity) with no success.
Can't seem to find the virus anywhere I've gone.
I have family members who have caught it, but they're stingy and won't share.
You can be like White Mike and just claim you had it without testing so you can virtue signal to the other leftists here now that covid is in fashion.
Maybe you had an asymptomatic case and your natural immunity is too strong for a reinfection. Because the CDC itself acknowledged that, regarding Delta, natural immunity was over 6 times more effective at preventing infection compared with vaccination.
From what I can tell, people who worked from home and never left the house for months are the ones most worried. Those of us who went into work everyday without even a vaccine being available aren't worried because we lived through the "worst" of it and came out fine.
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1486031298233700354?t=mRlmPF754yfXIY6LdFRrFA&s=19
Shockingly, US states with mask mandates are currently reporting significantly higher COVID case rates than those without mask mandates
It’s remarkable how often politicians and experts will say it’s “too soon” to lift mask mandates when they literally never work
[Graph]
Did your Twatter friend take population density into account? Seems to me that places with mandates are more urban, while those that do not are more rural. Meaning they'll have more cases regardless simply because more people are interacting.
So you're saying that there's a negative correlation between mask efficacy and population density? Because that would be consistent with the science/SCIENCE!
I remember when double-masking was the biggest dance craze to hit America. Remember how the news reported that double masking was the equivalent of an N95 mask. Then suddenly after about 3 months no one was double-masking, let alone talking about it, yet EVERY 'trusted' source in America was telling us that double-masking "works".
Brandy was comparing it to 7 slices of Swiss this morning.
Really? I don’t recall ever seeing any credible news source advocating double masking.
Because you're a sea lying.
From the CDC you worship:
2 ways to layer
Use a cloth mask that has multiple layers of fabric.
Wear a disposable mask underneath a cloth mask.
The cloth mask should push the edges of the disposable mask against your face.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html
That's probably something of a factor. Places that had worse outbreaks also are more likely to have mandates. But New York And CA and IL aren't the only urban states. Texas and Florida have a lot of dense urban centers as well.
I don't think these observations are absolute proof that mask mandates are useless. But it certainly isn't supporting the premise that they are helpful or doing any good.
There is 2 years of data. There is no corruption between mask mandates and infection rates. Population density is also not correlated to pre and post mask usage.
Yes, agreed. Just saying that the observation that no mandate places are doing better than mandate places right now does not by itself prove that they are useless. I think that the totality of the data does pretty well show just that.
"First, Occam's razor suggests inverting what the poll seems to be saying. It's not that people who are vaccinated are more worried about COVID—it's that people who are more worried about COVID are more likely to have gotten vaccinated."
It could be explained by the correlation that people who were prone to be 'worried-to-very worried' about Covid might be more likely to be vaccinated / boosted.
But, that doesn't explain why they are still worried. I got vaccinated (2x) and boosted (1x) and I went from 'mildly concerned' to 'not very concerned at all' after my first dose. Now it looks like the effectiveness of the vaccines drops off (or was over-stated), especially for these new variants, but it also looks like the new variants are less dangerous.
So I'm feeling fine in the 'not very concerned at all' zone.
It wasn't overstated. It is just that Omicron is WAY more contagious than og covid and actually evades antibodies from all prior immunity. It's just that different and nearly perfectly infectious. More than chicken pox, less than Measels, which is remarkable.
The deal is this, though. It statistically seems to do well against hospitalization. If you're at risk it's a good deal still to reduce your chances if you want a vaccine.
I'm not in the at risk group. I haven't been worried about dying from it ever, and at this point with Omnicron's universality and relative mildness, I'm in that 6% column. For my whole life I stayed in bed if I caught a flu, maybe complained if I had a cold or a cough, but really just took care of myself and waited them out. When I wasn't sick, I don't remember thinking about them other than when a friend called in sick to work and I'd say "Dude, that sucks. Feel better soon."
Problem is, people are shitty about this. They want to tell ME I can't see a concert without ID and vaccine card and a mask the whole time, they make it so the walk from the front door of the restaurant to the table where I sit down makes me choose feeling ridiculous for doing something ineffective or breaking the law. It destroys the social aspect of formerly wonderfully social events by keeping people covered up, separated, and constantly worried about something not worth worrying about.
Ever had a friend with OCD? They're not the ones who suffer from the disorder. Everyone around them suffers as they inflict THEIR anxiety on everyone else until others comply with their arbitrary rules. Covid response is the same fucking thing, on a society wide basis. You're afraid, so you fuck up my life.
This ^
The best way to end the Fauci/CDC/Democrat created pandemic of covid panic is to refuse to wear masks, and to laugh at people who continue to wear them.
It's all fun and game until you get arrested. Heck, they're arresting children for not wearing masks. It won't be long before refusing to wear a mask in front of a cop is considered to be an assault that justifies deadly force.
Yet you've repeatedly supported Australian's camps.
You'd think that would maybe make some people stop and think, especially after spending all last year talking about defunding the police, but.............
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10081409/Wyoming-teenager-16-arrested-refused-wear-face-mask-high-school-grounds.html
The link says it all.
And you celebrate this. How do you not see how evil and un-American all this is?
If it is like is support of Australian camps he is fine until it turns into a gas chamber for the students.
I celebrate what? You going by what I post or by the shit that is always running off my back.
That's the fun of being in the same room with JesseAZ.
LOL, he didn't respond to my comment you ignorant sot. Do you want a link to you saying Australian camps are no big deal because they are just quarantine camps? I can provide.
You have no principles. You lie about your stated positions. You cry that we can cite your past positions. Then you refuse to provide your own while created vapid strawmen arguments with Mike sans citations.
You are a bigger joke on this site than your other sock Sqrsly.
Bill: 'Don't wear masks.'
Sarc: "It's all fun and game until you get arrested."
*posts link of kid getting arrested*
Are you going to claim humor, as if you haven't been a frothing mad jab-pushing Democrat all day?
A fascist drunk!
Bill: 'Don't wear masks.'
Sarc: "It's all fun and game until you get arrested."
*posts link of kid getting arrested*
Are you going to claim humor, as if you haven't been a frothing mad jab-pushing Democrat all day?
Ugh. This board on a phone.
That's basically what happened after the CDC guidance said vaxxed people could drop their masks. Suddenly the maskers were the ones getting the funny looks, and they didn't like it AT ALL.
So of course the CDC backpedaled and put the muzzles back on everybody because the people who were motivated by not wearing the mask anymore already got the shot.
Because evil retards like you voted for and supported the evil retarded progressives that use constant fear as a way to maintain control
Because fascists rule by fear.
Next question?
This^ and the fact that progs are never happy and always have to be bothered by something (guns, vaping, fossil fuels, and now COVID). The first requirement for being a prog is neurotic personality
By "twice as concerned", we assume the writer means compared to the unvaccinated, which is the equivalent of brain dead fools ignorant of the fact they are 20 times more likely to croak and are filling up the ICU's again, and so yes, any concern registers. What should smart informed citizens - that's who the vaccinated are - be concerned about? Breakthrough cases, which probably don't put you in the hospital but require lengthy self quarantine, their elderly relatives safety, their friends, relatives, and children with comorbidity, the stress on the economy now in worldwide inflation from the pandemic, and higher taxes and insurance rates to cover the dummies crowding the ICUs.
That's a few things to worry about.
I got vaccinated to keep my job. That and I like going to concerts and correctly anticipated proof of vaccination as a requirement of entering a venue.
That said, people who are not at risk really don't need the jab. At least not now. Maybe when they get older.
When the vaccine was being sold as a way to stop the spread, then it made sense. But it doesn't. It greatly reduces the severity of infection, but doesn't do much to protect others from you. So fuck it.
Yet you constantly attack everyone else here who espouses that position. Weird. Almost like you have no principles.
Changing mind with new evidence means he has no principles.
Sadly this explains how you sound dumb as fuck all the time Jesse.
He did this in the same thread here dumbass. There was no new evidence.
And a restriction of liberty for small risk increases also doesn't change from new evidence. That's the pathway authoritwriajs use to revoke freedoms.
Lastly we had 100 years of non laboratory studies and analysis showing these things do not stop spread they at most tamper it slightly. The full population will just spread the infection at a slightly flatter curve. Fauci and statists replaced this known science woth results of their models. Models simply model your assumptions when not validated against data. This was explained to the statiats in Feb of 2019.
So sorry, you're completely wrong.
He's worse than Mary.
Lol. Youre still going at it dummy? I'm sorry you've been exposed as a lefty statist fuck the last 2 years and any veneer of intelligence destroyed from your ignorant diatribes.
That's false sarcasmic. The unvaxxed are more likely to catch and therefore spread Covid. See data on new cases in even blue states. They are also more likely to be hospitalized and die. This impacts their family and their community, and ultimately the nation and our economy.
Fuck these useless drags on the rest of us and the country.
Is it 'false, sarcasmic' or 'false sarcasmic'?
Not “false sarcasmic”. The one that showed up today is the real one, not Tulpa.
Cite?
I haven't muted many people but the stupid adverto-bots, so it's difficult for me to tell sometimes.
"Fuck these useless drags on the rest of us and the country."
That's a horrible thing to say about yourself and raspberry, Joe.
Probably upset he doesn't get paid to sit at home anymore and needs to go back into Starbucks to serve overpriced coffee.
Barbie Jack, please catch up with CNN, at least. Nobody is trying to push the 'jab stops infection' narrative any more.
"That's false sarcasmic. The unvaxxed are more likely to catch and therefore spread Covid."
You forgot your citation, so I am going to say you are making shit up. Even *if* a vaccinated person is less likely to contract and spread the disease, it *doesn't* matter. If the vaccination cannot reduce the spread below R=1, the virus will still spread and everyone will get infected over a year instead of 11 months.
You are one of the arrogant asses who has been coming to these threads spouting shit that ended up being false, and here you are again- showing not an ounce of contrition for how wrong you were. You likened this vaccine to the Small Pox vaccine that could eradicate the virus. You said that people who were vaccinated wouldn't get sick and wouldn't spread the disease.
You were wrong on all of these, and now you are stomping your feet like a petulant child saying "Ignore the fact that heavily vaccinated states have a surge of breakthroughs, I'm saying it is LESS likely that you'll be infected." Bullshit.
"They are also more likely to be hospitalized and die. This impacts their family and their community, and ultimately the nation and our economy."
The healthy are unlikely to die from this disease. 75% of the unvaccinated who are hospitalized had comorbidities. If you are healthy you are unlikely to be hospitalized and even less likely to die.
Here is a cite: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/characteristics-of-vaccinated-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-19-breakthrough-infections/
Overt, "heavily vaccinated states" like NY (and Washington state - see my quote and link in this thread) stats show their surges in cases and hospitalizations - now declining - were driven by the unvaccinated. Look it up.
The data on new cases, hospital admittance, and deaths are heavily and obviously driven nationwide by the unvaccinated and you have to be living in lala land, and/or a useless dead weight dragging down our economy and the country to not get that.
It was driven by seasonality dummy...
Just wow.
Data released by the Scottish government show people who have been vaccinated with two or three doses of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are more likely to become infected, be hospitalized or die than people who are unvaccinated.
https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/11223/22-01-19-covid19-winter_publication_report.pdf
Joe Friday would have to be able to read past a headline to understand the data. It is just too much work for the Progtards.
But, yes, the age-standardized hospitalization rate per 100,000 was actually higher for 2 dose vaccinated than unvaccinated for the week of Jan 1-7. The mortality rate is highest among the 1 or 2 dose crowd for the entire month.
Worst case scenario, where the 3rd jab makes a difference, it is still the difference between .06% rate of hospitalization for unvaccinated up to 2 jabs and .01% rate of hospitalization after 3 jabs. Death rates differ from .015% and .0015%.
99.98% chance of surviving and only continual vaccination making any difference in acute symptoms and death.
With zero studies of long term use of the vaccine, it seems counterintuitive to recommend any vaccination at this point. Are we just supposed to forget that we were actually told early on and specifically for the J&J vaccine that additional use of the vaccines had problems?
Dumbass
COVID19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status Washington State Department of Health January 19, 2022 1
COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status January 19, 2022 Summary Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. • 5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. • 8 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. • 7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. • 13 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
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Smoke some more of the Democrat controlled WA State's cock there, fuckwit.
The Scottish data specifically weeds out 'with COVID' and reports those hospitalized and dead 'from COVID'. The bullshit you posted makes no such distinction. Perhaps that explains the discrepancy? If you want to assert that the Scottish governmental health care system is a hotbed of conservative conspiracy, you are free to go fuck yourself.
I predicted you couldn't read past the headlines, but you didn't have to immediately prove it.
Jerkoff:
From p. 6, "Main Points", of the linked Scottish report above"
"In the last week from 08 January to 14 January 2022, in an age-standardised population, the rate of acute COVID-19 related hospital admissions in individuals that received a booster or third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine was between 2.3 to 3.9 times lower than in individuals who are unvaccinated or have only received one or two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine "
individuals that received a booster or third dose of a COVID-19 vaccine was between 2.3 to 3.9 times lower than in individuals who are unvaccinated or have only received one or two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine "
Which is exactly what I reported above, you disingenuous piece of shit.
The story keeps changing. 95% efficacy. Then, 1 shot, worthless. Now, 2 shots, worthless. What is next? 3 shots, worthless after how many months? 4th shot? 5th shot?
Plan for your eternal vaccinations against a disease with a 99.8% survival rate and good luck with all that. Which you will most likely get sick from at some point anyway. I am sure the years and years of 'triggering' your immune system will have no consequences at all. You will be able to know what Pfizer knows about it now in only 75 years.
Jerkoff, the "Main Point" is that those with boosters were between 2.3 to 3.9 times less likely to be infected than those with no vaccine, or 1 oe 2 doses. You claim that means 1 or 2 doses were worthless, as if someone promised the vaccines did not decline in effectiveness over time, which of course they have always said. During the period of their effectiveness - which boosters are now in for Omicron - the vaccines are not worthless but make those who received much less likely to catch Covid and even more less likely to croak or get seriously ill from it.
You think that's "worthless".
You're obviously an ignorant jerkoff and fool who is too much of a pussy to get a shot 3 times within 6 months - or longer.
as if someone promised the vaccines did not decline in effectiveness over time, which of course they have always said
Keep lying, liar. You said that for 6 months. Then you lied about breakthrough cases for the next 12 months. Now you are lying that they never said that more than 1 or 2shots was problematic.
The one thing we can know for sure is that if Joe Friday is posting about it, it can't be true.
Is Texas red enough for you jerkoff?
"Unvaccinated are 2X more likely to test positive for Covid."
"Unvaccinated are 16X more likely to die of a Covid associated illness."
Dashboard of the Texas Dept of State, Health Deparment.
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status/
CDC: 94.5% of deaths are with.
5.5% of deaths were OF Covid.
Nothing says honesty like using data from a year where half of people weren't eligible for vaccination. Lol.
For the first half of the data set.
Hey, Joe,
What are you even arguing at this point? You are presenting the sporadically collected and often self-reported data of WA and now TX, as if to argue against the findings of the Scottish national health care system that encompasses 6 million individuals all tracked by the state. But you are not even bothering to state a premise anymore.
I thought you were supposed to be the one enlightened enough to accept the science as it evolved.
[crickets]
Also, there's just the daily mental derangement that comes with being a Progressive.
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over-50-percent-white-liberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition
They *should* be worried. After all, the vaccines are ineffective.
Tell me you're a dumbass without telling me you're a dumbass.
He can't log in as rasberrydinners, the name is taken.
The vaccines have been quite effective. They’d have been even more effective if so many people hadn’t refused to get vaccinated for partisan political reasons, which is the dumbest reason to make a medical decision.
Lol. Wow. The stipidty ebbs from your mouths. Vaccines become more effective if politics aren't involved? What the actual fuck science is that.
Sciencism TM.
The reason the people are so freaked out is because Covid is all the media wants to talk about. Even the commercials on the radio are promoting something related to the virus.
Get over it people and get on with your life! If you got the vaccine then chances are if you get Covid you are going to have a cold for a couple days. Treat the symptoms with the usual items and then get back to whatever you were doing. If you aren't vaccinated and you catch Covid, you are probably going to have a bad cold for a few days. Treat the symptoms and then go back to what you were doing. Just shut up about it! I'm tired of hearing about Omicron, Nuthacron, Foevacron, and by the way FJB--Let's go Brandon!
I feel your pain loser, but your advice should start with get your f...ing shot idiots! You're dragging the country down with the snowflake routine. Maybe the doc will give you a lolly pop.
Please cite me where the jab prevents infection.
Your entire line of BS is predicated on a lie.
"Unvaccinated are 2X more likely to test positive for Covid."
"Unvaccinated are 16X more likely to die of a Covid associated illness."
Dashboard of the Texas Dept of State, Health Deparment.
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status/
Please cite me where the jab prevents infection.
I did not say diminish symptoms, like the leaky therapeutic it is.
"Unvaccinated are 2X more likely to test positive for Covid."
Seek help
Please cite me where the jab prevents Covid.
Not 'more likely to display symptoms,' show me how it stops Covid.
Here, I'll help.
From your better's lips to your ears: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html
The hilarious part is you can't understand what the issue of using this data set that only has a partial set of people who were even eligible for vaccination for half of it.
ON top of that it includes people in the unvaccinated side who had a single shot and were not yet eligible for the 2nd shot.
Hilarious.
COVID19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status Washington State Department of Health January 19, 2022 1
COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths by Vaccination Status January 19, 2022 Summary Unvaccinated 12-34 year-olds in Washington are • 2 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. • 5 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 12-34 year-olds. Unvaccinated 35-64 year-olds are • 3 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. • 8 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 35-64 year-olds. Unvaccinated 65+ year-olds are • 4 times more likely to get COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. • 7 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds. • 13 times more likely to die of COVID-19 compared with fully vaccinated 65+ year-olds.
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Less worried about getting covid and more worried about hospitals being full of unvaxxed idiots. So if someone breaks a leg they can't get help because some dumbass didn't take medical advice to get a shot but wants all the medical advice once their dumbassery bites them in the ass.
70% full and above- shut out the unvaxxed. They made a choice- live (or die) with it.
Do you repeat anything but lies?
Wow - only took a decade for the folks who gave us Obamacare to start calling for death panels. This is what you get when you let politicians run your health care.
The rate of hospitalization for covid in unvaccinated adults age 18-49 is about 20 per 100k. That's a very small percentage. It's not overwhelming the hospitals.
Here in Missouri, a state of about 6 million in population, we average around 200 deaths per day from all causes. Our 7-day average as of yesterday for Covid-related deaths was 4. Per day.
Find something else to fret over.
Exactly. This is why they like to use squishy language like "your x times more likely ..." without any other qualifiers, because reporting the actual numbers would result in a collective "meh."
Poor Molly is going to be so upset when she learns you've replaced her as the stupidest motherfucker to post here.
Idk Joe Friday is up there.
Joe seems to be a big fan of baseball. He gets hits off of White Mike, raspberrydinners and OBL, imagines he is batting .300 and should go pro.
Aim for his head.
There's 2 replies to your bullshit above you're hiding from jerkoff.
You mean you changing the subject?
LOL! You vomit data and claim it has significance? In neither post did you even make a claim. You are flailing. Your lies about the unvaccinated are being proved false.
I'm not sure Joe Friday is an actual human being and not a beta test of some facebook troll algorithm.
We should start a bowl to see who the stupidest among them is.
How many times has it been explained that for-profit hospitals are designed to run near capacity?
How many times have we asked about the further implications of your panicked tyranny? Now so fatties. Now do HIV. Now do any communicable disease.
Just go be miserable on your own.
Why? Not sure, but I have friends who are freaking out over Omicron. My best guess is that they are fixated on infection rates, rather than hospitalizations, ICU capacity, and death.
For the unvaccinated those are still serious risks, especially when coupled with obesity, diabetes, age, etc. But for the vaccinated it's a very low risk.
My vaccinated friend caught Omicron at Christmas, and he was back to in-person work January 3nd. He said it was like having a bad cold. But remember, he was *vaccinated*. Meanwhile I had an old friend of the family die after catching it football game in November. He was not vaccinated.
So the freakout among the vaccinated is unwarranted. And I guess, not sure just guessing, that it's due to the media fixation on infection numbers, as those numbers and graphs are most dramatic. They look like this January is significantly worse than last January, but the vaccines were barely rolling out last year. That's the difference.
Meanwhile two of my friends still don't leave the house after two years. They were OCD to start with, but this pandemic has then freaking. One even blocked off his air vents in his condo so he doesn't share air with his downstairs neighbors. WTF?
p.s. And of course there's the political narrative that must be worshipped. To freak out during the pandemic has become a political genuflection.
For the unvaccinated those are still serious risks, especially when coupled with obesity, diabetes, age, etc. But for the vaccinated it's a very low risk.
It is very low for both unvaccinated and vaccinated.
In fact the only populations it truly seems to matter are those with other high risk factors. But you want to force everyone to stand in solidarity with the obese because this is your risk posture. You can't stand others who have a lower risk posture than yourself.
I have now had Covid twice, the original flavor and now Omicron.
Original one I was unvaccinated and was more or less just tired for a couple weeks. If not for the loss of smell I wouldn't even have noticed, honestly.
Omicron was basically a sore throat, loss of voice, and I was really sick for one day. I'm not sure it was even Omicron, but my immune system reacting to it, because it was exactly how I felt after getting my vaccine shots.
Everyone reacts differently. When my friend and his wife got it, she was absolutely miserable, but his was basically a medium flu. And even she was lucky, because a neighbor was in the hospital for a few months.
I actually don't feel compelled to insult you over this one.
Well done, keep it up and you do you without getting on my lawn.
Two peanuts were walking down the street...
...they minded their own business and lived happily ever after.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure I had omicron the week before Christmas. Sick for four days, fairly mild. Like your friend, I was fully vaccinated, so that may have helped keep it mild.
Keep your untested value signaling going. Lol. Such a weird thing to do. Straight attention whore mentality.
No test= lies.
You mean when you had green mucous that everyone told you was probably a bacterial infection?
Can you post just ONE thing without lying? Ever?
ERIC BOEHM
Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am currently not registered to vote in Virginia, where I live. If I change that before the election, I will vote for Jo Jorgensen—unless I believe there is a chance that Joe Biden will somehow fail to win Virginia, in which case I will vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden.
So how is that vote working out, Boehm. Your Boy Biden is doing a shitty job reassuring Americans they will get through it. He is too busy telling them of winters of suffering and death.
You voted for this Boehm. Asshole.
"Why Are Vaccinated Americans Still Worrying About COVID?"
because they are sheep.
Or just look in the mirror Boehm " Everyone there was vaccinated, we were engaging in an activity that was as close to normal as possible, and yet the artist felt it necessary to acknowledge the weirdness of being normal human beings on a Friday night." You weren't close to normal and you keep playing along like it is. You're the problem dude.
Honestly it is bizarre dealing with all these Coastal Vaulters. I say vaulters, because they aren't too different from the vault-dwelling people in the Fallout series. Even those who chafed under restrictions in these lockdown cities don't realize that a significant proportion of the country has been living free for the better part of a year.
Back in 2020, a friend came down from Los Angeles to visit us (in OC). He looked like a fucking refugee- amazed that we had full shopping malls, and people going in and SITTING at restaurants.
That's kinda like citing WikiPedia as a source.
Okay. Maybe that's not fair. WikiPedia is probably more reliable...
At least at Wikipedia there is a chance the entry is not politicized bullshit.
Remember 'an epidemic of gun violence is a risk to public health'?
https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1486054493200474114?t=xt4QMyRF1hsgmTVl_FAb1g&s=19
The amount of new information that's been learned about the C19 [shot emoji] confirms that people who held off because they wanted more info and longer term data were justified in their rationale. Not 'anti-science' nor 'selfish' nor 'stupid'.
Look at how much has changed in just 1 year.
This time last year, the mainstream belief was that it would only be 1-2 injections, they would stop you from getting sick, stop you from transmitting the virus, and effectively end the 'pandemic'.
All 4 have been proven to be objectively false in under 12 months. More to come.
Given the speed and expediency with which these shots were rolled out, it was obvious to any calm, independent thinking person that there were a lot of unknown variables.
It's astonishing how aggressive people were and still are against those who point this out. It's weird.
What's extra crazy is when Trump was US President, tons of people were asking questions about the above point.
The SPEED of rollout concerned people.
No long term data concerned people.
Suddenly, all this changed with a new president lol. People are irrational and fickle.
People should be shitting their pants over 3 repeated jabs and more to come. This is not dead flu virus that our body can react to and then ignore. This is an artificially stimulated response. Over and over and over. Never been done before. No idea if it is safe.
Check out the info that CindyF linked above out of Scotland. Just as safe to be unvaccinated than at 1 or 2 jabs at this point.
I think the Progs are still screaming for vaccine mandates because they want to make sure everyone ends up in the same boat. If there are long term effects, the vaccine fanatics are not going to get any sympathy.
Israel had a huge surge after 4 jabs. But they persist.
What a pussy! Oh, 3 shots and I'm skeered to get another!
Dude, you're probably sterile already or can't get a date, so nothing to worry about. Maybe the doc will give you a lolly pop!
The intellectualism of the left.
This is the guy who laments the crude state of discourse here. Abandoning science and flinging epithets the moment his agenda is contradicted.
And sarc claims I can't take a joke? The fact that I don't start shooting these assholes is evidence I can.
Pussy? I wasn't scared at all, so I got no shots. I calculated the risk and made a choice. When I got sick, I quarantined, and nobody else got sick because of me. Now cases are surging, and I have not come down with Omicron. I am confident, because of science, that I am at far less risk than after any number of shots.
Now please fuck off. You were wrong. Get over it.
Yeah. But you've died at least 12 times already.
It HAS been done before. There were mRNA vaccine trials against SARS.
They were cancelled after the jab displayed waning immunity against variants, culminating in enhanced infectivity for the vax group, along with significantly more general disease than in control group.
Just like Israel found last year, that jab also had a tendency to re/activate latent illness.
Pfizer released early safety data right along these lines - 20% more illness in vax group, but effective at reducing symptoms of the original strain of Covid.
This was all known and anticipated.
https://www.nature.com/articles/news050110-3#%20cite%20as2
Here's a Nature summary of challenges. Familiar, no?
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.78.22.12672-12676.2004
We've always known whole viral samples are more valuable than isolated spikes, but it's good to know that the recombinant viral vector vaccines are actually more harmful than nothing at all.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2018.02991/full
ADE always has been an issue with vaccine development. Never before has it been so thoroughly ignored.
"It was initially reported by Kam et al. that immunization with recombinant full-length SARS-CoV spike S-protein elicited protective immune response in vivo, but induced viral infection of human B cells in vitro via FcγRII-dependent and ACE2-independent pathways, suggesting novel ADE mechanism for SARS-CoV..."
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1486056528356515847?t=bYWLpHp0nDw-F4DegNOEkA&s=19
REPORTER: "Florida continues to push for [monoclonal antibody] treatment ... What's your response to Gov. DeSantis?"
PSAKI: "Let's just take a step back here just to realize how crazy this is ... We know what works, vaccines and boosters."
[Video]
*eye twitch*
Why Are Vaccinated Americans Still Worrying About COVID?
They are only now starting to realize they have been muzzled, repressed and lied to by the Democrats, Big Tech, Big Pharma and Biden.
Taht does not explain the growing vaccine-detox movement, to rid oneself of the metals and "liquid computing" nanochips that come with every jab.
May I also misrepresent the entire Democratic platform by the actions of a few fringe groups?
The unvaccinated have been banned from Walmart and other "big box retail" in Quebec.
Quebecards are the worst
Good business!
Never go full Nazi.
Joe, the one man lemon party, has been waiting to go full Nazi his whole life. I suspect ever since his mom smacked him on the pipi with a ruler.
Bill Maher declares he's "done with Covid". Done with masks, boosters, the whole thing.
Luminary and statesperson Whoopi Goldberg is very unhappy.
Noted Scientist, Joy Behar has verified that Whoopie would have died had she not had the vaccine.
To be fair, it looks like Whoopi ate Elizabeth Hasselbeck.
Bill is a very smart asshole. He can see what is coming and is pushing to get out of theater before the fire starts.
Whoopi is just slightly smarter than average, but thinks she is a genius. Ironically, it is why she won't comprehend what the smart people pushing their way towards the exits indicates.
She's actually turned out to be dumber than I thought when she was in her earlier career.
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1485971164715487233?t=ghd1hrjPRKpczaN5eoxhOA&s=19
"Do you agree or disagree with this statement: The media are “truly the enemy of the people”?"
-AGREE-
White - 56%
Black - 63%
Oth Non-White - 60%
Dem - 37%
Unaffil - 61%
GOP - 76%
All Voters - 58%
58% Of Voters Agree: Media Are ‘Enemy of the People’
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Literally every group above 50% except Democrats.
So many of the major companies, like Vox, operate at loss and are completely funded by corporations, billionaires, etc. It is truly corporate media. The passion for the truth is pushed down and the voice of the "elite" is raised up. Bezos with wapo. Zuckerberg is trying to create an empire. The Atlantic ran by Lorene Powell Jobs. And they all work with Silicon Valley to prop up those corporate sources over the truly passionate independent journalism.
Nailed it.
The Novavax vaccine, an actual vaccine and not an mRNA experiment, could be available in the US in as little as two weeks.
Science also tells us that it's mostly fat and old people who end up hospitalized. Why has that been almost completely overlooked? Especially the fat part
If you are young and fit you need to worry about getting hit by a bus more than Covid, vaccinated or not.
Fat shaming = bad. Vax shaming = virtuous. This is what you get from the people who can't figure out what gender they are.
It might be semi-rational. Odds are that the unvaccinated are largely people at low risk. Young, healthy, no pre-existing conditions. They were never at much threat anyway. Meanwhile the old and infirm are more likely to have been vaccinated. While the vaccines certainly lower risk of seriously bad outcomes, the old and infirm are still likely old and infirm and many of them may legitimately still be at higher risk of seriously bad outcome than the young, healthy unvaccinated who were never worried to begin with.
I just don't find it surprising or contradictory that people who had legitimate cause to worry in the first place and, as a result, got vaccinated and boosted and may still have legitimate cause to worry (though somewhat less than a year ago) are more worried than people who never had cause to worry and were never worried.
I'm sure many elderly people consider living under COVID authoritarianism and its isolation and restrictions for the remainder of their lives a "seriously bad outcome".
Unfortunately, there are also many elderly people who support the severe restrictions placed on children for the protection of the elderly rather than for the children themselves. I'll take "evil, selfish pricks" for $1000, Alex.
Maybe, but in my experience it's younger adults and those in mid-life who are all-in on COVED Karenism.
“millions of Democrats have decided that organizing their lives around Covid is core to their identity as progressives, even as pandemic isolation is fueling mental-health problems,…”
Being a progressive is a mental-health problem.
Yes, it is. Legitimately.
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/over-50-percent-white-liberal-women-under-30-mental-health-condition
If you've been vaxxed and boosted, you're roughly 50 times less likely to end up hospitalized
Statement that was true at one time- for the most vulnerable part of the population.
No longer true. As time goes on, the waning of protection gets worse and worse, And numbers from overseas countries which lead the USA in vaccination rates are showing the first vaccinated are MORE likely to get the newer variants. Which was predicted by naysayers at the very beginning.
At 66 I should be one of the worried ones. I'm not. Unvaccinated and planning on staying that way. Not obese, no comorbidities. And a Vitamin D blood level last measured at 60 ng/ml. The medical authorities have yet to find someone with Vitamin D blood level in that range when they contracted covid who has died from it.
Fear of covid comes from lack of knowledge about it. Official medical advice from the government and health organizations still says that routine Vitamin D blood levels should not be taken, and should only be taken if a patient is showing clinical signs of deficiency. One of the first google search results: Unfortunately, about 42% of the US population is vitamin D deficient with some populations having even higher levels of deficiency, including premenopausal women, those with poor nutrition habits, people over age 65, Caucasians who avoid even minimal sun exposure, and those who take prescription medication long term 42% deficient- but don't test for it. From 2009 Scientific American :Three-quarters of U.S. teens and adults are deficient in vitamin D, 75% of the population deficient. Every study shows a significant percentage of the population deficient. And yet, no routine testing. And it's been known since the beginning of the covidiocy that low Vitamin D level was the biggest single predictor of whether someone who got it would end up in ICU. Yet, no testing for it. Can you say widespread medical malpractice? I can.
Oh, why was I tested? My VA practitioner thought I was taking too much, and was in danger of Vitamin D intoxication. Which is bad. But most people have to work hard to get there.
It really is negligent. Low D levels increase your risk of poor outcomes from many infections. It is such a cheap and easy fix. I don't think doctors are working in our best interest.
Ya think? Honest health experts would be stressing the importance of nutrition and exercise as our most effective strategy.
I'm vaccinated, booster, and NOT worried.
Getting COVID is no worse than the flu for most people, IF you're vaccinated.
Getting the flu sucks, so I'm not going out of my way to socialize with people who are currently infected, and I haven't been going out much during the last couple weeks due to the Omicron surge.
But in the Northeast the Omicron surge will be over in a week or two, and then it's back to living life as normal.
Unlike the anti-vaxxers, I'm vaxxed because I believe the science.
Unlike the progs, I'm not living in fear, because I believe the science.
What does the data say about the side effects of the mRNA vaccines in three years? How about 5? What does the five year data tell us about how the virus will mutate in response to dosing entire populations with leaky vaccines? How come our health experts don't make distinctions for those of us who have had the virus, recovered, and developed our own immunity?
The same thing the data says about the lasting effects of a COVID infection after 5 years -- nothing. Nobody knows.
But the number of people suffering long COVID is much larger than the number of people suffering from heart inflammation after receiving mRNA vaccines. So, I'll go with the numbers.
We have over a million adverse reactions on VAERS. 22,000 dead.
https://vaersanalysis.info/2022/01/21/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-01-14-2022/
'Long Covid' typically lasts around 6months and is experienced by roughly half of the infected. Jabbed are 50% less likely to experience it, but remain susceptible.
That's right and DR. Fauci is the science. In fact he's more science than Bill Nye, the science guy.
The truth is the science has been wrong in the past will be wrong once again. After all it was the scienece that said the earth is the center of the universe and all the stars and the moon spun around it.
It was science that said man would never be able to travel sixty miles per hour, as it would result in death. There are dozens of examples of science being wrong.
And there are thousands of examples of governments lying to and deceiving the people. They are all liars. Everyone of them.
If somebody wants to put their trust in the government go ahead and see what that gets you.
not only americans
i think all nations still worried
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"If you've been vaxxed and boosted, you're roughly 50 times less likely to end up hospitalized with COVID than someone who has not received a single dose, according to an analysis by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."
This is a patently false statement and reason why the CDC cannot be trusted and reason to ignore this author's conclusions. Why? Because it makes no distinction for natural immunity.
Vaxxed, boosted. Not worried. About anything.
Everybody's a fucking expert.
So, if 60% of the population is vaxxed, another 150M or so have natural antibodies (understanding that some have both vax immunity and natural immunity), and with Omicron ripping through everybody - aren't we about at herd immunity and done with this?
Hopefully.
Though even once COVID becomes endemic, the unvaxxed will be taking their chances of a serious illness or death from the small number of circulating cases. But that's their problem.
As far as the vaxxed are concerned, I'm hoping Omicron will be the beginning of the end of the pandemic.
No, because the jab does not prevent Covid. It only reduces symptoms.
Why is this lie still being repeated? Even CNN and the CDC have said it doesn't do that.
And it's already endemic. It has been circulating in animal populations for two years now, has spread through the world and is well on the way to being a regular part of flu season.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html
Doofus, none of the recommended steps to minimize the spread of covid "prevent" it. Cripes. They all minimize the spread. Are you 8 years old?
PS
This brief examines how deaths from COVID-19 rank among other leading causes of death in the U.S. We find that COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in November 2021. We also find that in October, COVID-19 was the number 1 cause of death for people age 45-54 and in the top 7 leading causes of death for other age groups, aside from infants.
We also estimate that 163,000 COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented by vaccination since June 2021, when safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines were widely available to all adults in the U.S.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/
Barbie Jack, 94.5% of deaths in the US were WITH Covid, not OF - per CDC. You've run away from this several times now to peddle your bullshit.
Will you respond to my citation, from Rachel Wolensky on CNN no less, that the jab does not prevent infection yet?
How do you respond to the safety issues and thousands dead OF the jab, especially in comparison to the safety records of actual vaccines?
Should I take this as an admission that you know the jab does not prevent Covid, but you're too invested in your partisan bullshit to ever admit it, and instead will flail onto other topics to avoid comment?
While vaccines do wonders in lessening the chance of serious symptoms or death, and help prevent getting not spreading it, breakthrough infections do happen and more so with omicron. Thus being worried and taking further precautions even if vaccinated is completely rational and prudent.
Taking precautions, sure. Being worried, no.
If you're vaxxed and boosted, the overwhelming likelihood is that any breakthrough infection will be no worse than a bad case of the flu.
A bad case of the flu is miserable, so it makes sense to try not to get it, but most people don't go around their daily lives constantly worrying about the flu, unless they're immunocompromised.
If you are immunocompromised, then you should worry about both the flu and COVID, even if you're vaccinated. Otherwise, not so much.
Pfizer reported about 20% more sickness (assorted malaise, primarily imflammation of organs) from their vax group over control during their initial application. But the coof was less severe.
I would be willling to agree that for an elderly individual in poor health, the jab would be advisable for the early Covid and one or two mild variations from there. Not any longer.
After that, every bit of safety data we can get points to diminished efficacy and enhanced risk. ADE is a very real concern here, as the jab produces large numbers of non-neutralizing receptors that are indicated to enhance infectivity by later variants. Additionally, the risks of myocardia are pretty severe - if you are healthy, period, the jab has about an equal or greater chancd of causing harm compared to the increasingly more mild virus.
Vaccinated Americans are NOT worrying bout COVID because of pandemic policies; we are anxious because the voluntarily unvaccinated contingent continues to act as giant Petri dish, spreading the virus and evolving new variants.
I buried yet another friend last July who thought COVID was “over-hyped” and believed President Trump when he claimed (publicly) that it was “nor worse than the flu” - even after hearing Trump ON TAPE declaring it was “highly transmissible” and “at least five times deadlier than the flu.”
As my friends run the gamut from ultra-conservative to fairly progressive, I’ve never given full credence to one political wing… but today we’ve manifested a party that outright denies verifiable fact, that contorts logic and reason to adopt conspiracy theories any nine-year-old could refute with applied critical thinking.
What happened to conservatism? It’s jumped the shark to throw in with an insurrectionist cult of personality working AGAINST the United States to subvert and end our constitutional democracy. This is NOT the Republican Party I grew up knowing for sixty years. This has become an abomination.
Leaky therapeutics are the primary driver of vaccine-evading mutations - as jabbed cultivate the virus equally to the unjabbed - not random chance.
Sorry for your friends, but please don't go spreading misinformation to stigmatize those legitimately concerned for their long-term health in the face of a global pharmaceutical experiment with no long-term safety information.
Indeed. If anyone was concerned about their own health and that of their family, they would avoid that poisonous concoction.
"According to recent studies out of the U.K. and Canada, unvaccinated individuals are five times as likely to end up in the hospital than those who have received the vaccine, and vaccination has reduced the risk of ending up in an intensive care unit (ICU) by more than 93 percent..."
I followed the links for this reference. They pass through several other journalistic pieces, and end up at an overview or two studies done by the UK Health Security Agency.
The original studies do NOT provide the justification for the statements made above. The study authors point out that the data is very limited, and the error bars are very large - including having almost no effect at all. And in any case the 'protection' which is estimated drops very rapidly - in a matter of weeks.
But, passed through the journalist's reports, which only cite the high figure for estimated protection at the top of the error band, and ignore all the quantifying statements that this studies have little value, we magically arrive at the bold assertion given above - that vaccination saves lives. In fact, the original study shows no such thing...
I kinda just assumed Boehm was lying, as usual. A for effort!
they're worried about them because they don't work...
MIST vaccines go through nearly a decade of testing at various levels, are carefully and widely peer reviewed, and have microscopic scrutiny applied. these steaming piles got NONE of those.
are they are not even approved for use unless under EUA?
THAT'S WHY.
we have been lied to again and again, had half truths trotted as as gospel, had tweets treated like news, been misled ON PURPOSE by drug companies (and their paid for whores), had infection rates used as death rates. i can go for days on this one. of course the common american lump cannot discern the misdirection but the rest of us...we do not trust those who claim to know because we've learned that they do not. critical analysis is not dead but it does have one foot in the grave
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/
This brief examines how deaths from COVID-19 rank among other leading causes of death in the U.S. We find that COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in November 2021. We also find that in October, COVID-19 was the number 1 cause of death for people age 45-54 and in the top 7 leading causes of death for other age groups, aside from infants.
We also estimate that 163,000 COVID-19 deaths could have been prevented by vaccination since June 2021, when safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines were widely available to all adults in the U.S.
5.5% died OF Covid.
Why do you constantly bail when people correct your misinformation and repost the bullshit? It makes one think you're an intellectually dishonest progressive - but I repeat myself.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e2.htm
Another "own goal" from the simpleton.
From his link (over a year ago by the way).:
"These findings support the accuracy of COVID-19 mortality surveillance in the United States using official death certificates. High-quality documentation of death certificate diagnoses is essential for an authoritative public record.
Approximately 375,000 deaths during 2020 were attributed to COVID-19 on death certificates reported to CDC (1)."
Spare me the moralism of this post, and of the thousands of opinions, left, right and center, telling us all how we should "feel" about COVID. I've had it. I don't want to get it again. Have had all the shots, but since there are breakthrough cases and I don't want to get sick (even though I'll likely have a mild case, if I do), I'm going to be wearing my N95 till the latest wave passes. Don't like that? My response involves an extended finger. I think you know which one.
Nobody here gives a shit if you choose to wear a mask till you rot. Just allow everyone else their choice.
People are stupid. Even after allowing themselves to be polluted with whatever is in that needle...and it isn't a vaccine, are continually being told one lie after another. And they believe it.
Whatever it is they are being injected will NOT protect you from this fake pandemic. It is now known the mechanisms with which you have been injected with are destroying your bodies, you own immune systems, and sooner or later will kill you.
Fauci is a liar, fraud grifting little megalomaniac and a mass murderer. Pfizer is guilty of mass murder.Every politician who forced this poison onto people is guilty of mass murder.
There will come a time when a Nuremberg type trial will take place and all those who destroyed so many innocent lives will be placed on trial and when proven guilty will face the ultimate punishment.
It's a pity there is no hell for them to go to.
A nation of wimps!