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Vaccine mandates

D.C.'s Anti-Mandate Rally Devolves Into an Anti-Vaccine Rally

How to make a terrible case for a good cause

Christian Britschgi | 1.24.2022 11:25 AM

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WASHINGTON, D.C.—Thousands of demonstrators gathered on the National Mall for a "Defeat the Mandates" rally this past Sunday to make their case against both private and public vaccination requirements—though that case more often than not rested on the alleged dangers and ineffectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines themselves.

Through speeches and songs, a diverse roster of musicians, doctors, and professional anti-vaccine activists argued that the government, abetted by the media and medical establishment, has been waging a war on alternative COVID-19 treatments in order to boost the profits of Big Pharma. The victims have been freedom of religion, free expression, and liberty generally, they argue.

"Mandates and freedom don't mix," said J.P. Sears, a YouTuber and comedian who emceed the rally, from a podium on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. "[They say] mandates are in place so freedom comes back. I don't think we're dumb enough to believe that."

His words, amplified by batteries of speakers and displayed on massive Jumbotron screens, easily resonated with the roughly 10,000 people assembled in the January cold, many of whom had traveled long distances to be there.

Organizers billed their event as one that would unify people regardless of their party affiliation, race, religion, or vaccination status. The rally nevertheless attracted an overwhelmingly right-wing crowd.

One could hardly swing an unvaccinated cat without hitting a "let's go Brandon" sign or a "Trump 2024" flag. Chants of "fuck Joe Biden" and "lock him up" (typically sparked by onstage mentions of Bill Gates or White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci) regularly broke out.

There was still a lot of diversity on display. Demonstrators were predominately, but hardly exclusively, white. There were far more families with children in attendance than there were masked men in Proud Boys shirts. Christian-themed signs warning of the government's war on religion were complemented by a few seemingly Eastern-inspired placards about following your inner instincts when it comes to vaccination.

The abiding concern from people in the crowd wasn't so much partisanship as skepticism of the vaccines themselves.

"It's not a vaccine. It's genetic modification. There's no long-term studies. To do this to our kids is just wrong," one man from Connecticut told Reason.

"I've done my research. I research anything that I put into my body, even though I was just trying to sell you weed," said another man who'd traveled from Philadelphia (and who started our conversation by offering me pre-rolled joints for $10 a pop). "I believe what's going on is medical tyranny. I believe in early treatment. Even today, there's treatments that are being effective that aren't being delivered."

These views got generous support from the official speakers at the event.

The first hour of remarks was delivered by a series of heterodox physicians who generally argued that the COVID-19 vaccines were far more dangerous and far less effective than various preexisting drugs that could be repurposed for treating the disease (whether that was ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, or vitamin D).

The most prominent speaker of this group is Robert Malone, a doctor who authored some of the earliest research on mRNA vaccines. Malone has since become a prominent skeptic of the technology—which was used to develop the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines.

"Regarding the genetic COVID vaccines, the science is settled. They're not working. They're not completely safe," said Malone to rallygoers. "These genetic vaccines can damage your children."

(Read Reason's Ron Bailey on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines at keeping people out of the hospital and/or the morgue.)

Mentions of the dangers of the vaccines were contrasted with discussions of the coercion being employed to enforce them on the public. That in turn led to some cringe, and occasionally tasteless, historical parallels.

More than a few speakers compared Sunday's rally to the famous 1963 civil rights rally at the Lincoln Memorial where Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech.

Keynote speaker Robert F. Kennedy Jr. rounded out his remarks about the dangers of the COVID-19 vaccines and the technological surveillance being used to push them on people with a now-viral reference to Nazi Germany.

"Even in Hitler's Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland, you could hide in the attic like Anne Frank," he said, which he contrasted to today, when the installation of 5G internet will be used to "harvest our data and control our behavior."

These comparisons were echoed on signs and chants from many in attendance, which described vaccines as "Tuskegee 2.0" and "Nuremberg 2.0."

Some of Sunday's attendees were more measured in their criticisms of the various vaccine mandates being put in place. That includes one D.C. resident who was wearing a shirt with Austrian economist Murray Rothbard on it. He told me that while he was vaccinated, he still viewed mandates as worrisome government overreach.

"I think it's ridiculous. I mean, I have friends who are not fully vaccinated. It does appear to be a stratified, two-tiered society," he said of D.C.'s own requirement that people visiting most indoor venues, including bars, restaurants, cafes, and gyms, show proof of vaccination. "I'm not going to call it segregation. I don't think that's a reasonable thing to say, but it is an objectively caste-based system."

This view didn't get much of an airing among the speakers at the rally. That is probably to demonstrators' detriment.

All the radicalism and kookiness on display at Sunday's rally served mostly to obscure the fact that the vast majority of the country has not adopted vaccine passport systems. Federal courts, meanwhile, have been busy ruling against most of the vaccine mandates being issued by the White House.

That's probably not because a majority of Americans, or the majority of U.S. Supreme Court justices, have been playing Malone's Joe Rogan appearance on repeat.

Rather, it would seem that most of the country has settled on the idea that vaccines are a useful (and maybe even vital) personal protection against COVID-19, but that a government requirement that people show their vaccine card to grab a beer or a cup of coffee is government overreach.

That's an attitude that might even resonate with many residents of large, liberal cities where vaccine passport systems have been implemented. Here in D.C., about a quarter of residents 12 and older are not fully vaccinated, and will therefore be unable to sit down in a restaurant or go to the gym come February 15 thanks to Mayor Muriel Bowser's vaccine mandate. (Currently, you only need to show proof of one shot to be in compliance with Bowser's order.)

So, Kennedy has a point when he says that under these passport systems "every right you have is transformed into a privilege contingent on arbitrary government dictates." Malone, likewise, isn't wrong when he notes that COVID-19 vaccines do come with some risks, and that "if there is risk, there must be choice." Speeches from people who had suffered severe adverse reactions to vaccines helped underscore this idea.

Yet these kernels of reason are buried by broadsides against the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines generally and comparisons to Nazi Germany.

It also obscures the reality of these vaccine passport systems as ineffective security theater that many businesses are half-heartedly complying with at best, at least here in D.C.

For instance, after leaving Sunday's rally, I ducked into a Starbucks to charge my phone. As I sat down at a table to drink my coffee, I had a staff member approach me and ask to see my proof of vaccination.

When I explained that it was on my dead phone, she shrugged and walked away. Someone more committed to following D.C.'s vaccine mandate should have asked me to leave, but she obviously didn't think it was worth the effort.

Despite this less-than-perfect enforcement, new COVID-19 cases reported in D.C.—which were already falling prior to the city's mandate going into effect—continue to collapse. The brief uptick in COVID-19 deaths in the District is also subsiding.

Reasonable people could look at this reality and conclude that vaccine mandates are a restriction on people's liberty that comes with little benefit to public health, and thus should be abandoned. You don't need to worry about the totalitarian potential of 5G internet to believe that.

Speakers at Sunday's rally often gave the impression that you do.

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  1. jimc5499   3 years ago

    WOW! Christian's bias is really showing in this one.

    1. DesigNate   3 years ago

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  2. Set Us Up The Chipper   3 years ago

    "one man from Connecticut told Reason."

    Really?

    1. damikesc   3 years ago

      Clearly, that was the view of all.

      Ignore that the "vaccine" is really not terribly useful.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

        It isn’t even a vaccine.

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      FAKE NEWS. There are no men in Connecticut.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        It's not even a real state. It's just western Rhode Island.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          ConnetiCUT from the Union.

  3. damikesc   3 years ago

    "(Read Reason's Ron Bailey on the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines at keeping people out of the hospital and/or the morgue.)"

    Yes, let's trust the hack over somebody who legitimately knows what the fuck he is talking about.

    1. Nardz   3 years ago

      It's shiboleth and must not be questioned

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

        No man comes to science but by the Fauci, hallelujah!

        1. Nardz   3 years ago

          Now take your booster sacrament!

  4. Minadin   3 years ago

    https://notthebee.com/article/this-lady-absolutely-lost-her-mind-because-people-were-in-dc-protesting-vaccine-mandates

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

      Can’t have people challenging the state religion.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Blasphemy is still an offense in 2022, but the gods are different.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      I actually feel bad for people like that. Can you imagine how miserable she is 24/7?

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        I feel bad for rabid dogs. Dogs are innocent creatures. But they are nonetheless a threat that must be contained.
        I do not feel bad for leftists. They are what they are by choice.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          Valid point.

    3. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I’d offer an opinion, but it would seem I don’t believe in anything

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      On a positive note, Mary Stack seems to be aging very gracefully.

      1. R Mac   3 years ago

        Lol.

    5. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Is that Jeffy?

  5. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Someone more committed ... should have asked me to leave, but she obviously didn't think it was worth the effort.

    she's the real hero.

  6. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Didn't bother reading the article. Is the anti vaccine portion about the doctors asking expand therapeutic treatments instead of relying solely on 10 week booster shots? Because watched a few of the vids and that was basically all I saw. How dare people question ineffective boosters (see Isreal and their 4th shot statistics) and ask to be able to use other avenues of treatment.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Seems like Reason used to support stuff like right to try. Guess that was all forgotten when Bailey decided to hide out in his basement and become a full time Pfizer salesman.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        He sucks at that, too. I'm expecting a congressional run in his future. He'll fit right in.

      2. jgress   3 years ago

        I don’t think anyone is saying you don’t have a right to try an ineffective treatment, just that you can’t claim it’s effective when it isn’t.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          I believe people should be able to take whatever drugs or medicines they want, so long as it's an informed decision.

          If you know what it is, you want it and you can get it without hurting anyone, it's absolutely none of my business.

  7. Commenter_XY   3 years ago

    Reasonable people could look at this reality and conclude that vaccine mandates are a restriction on people's liberty that comes with little benefit to public health, and thus should be abandoned.

    Reasonable people with a fucking brain did make that conclusion 18 months ago (circa June 2020).

    1. Chumby   3 years ago

      If only there were a magazine that would take this position.

      1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

        Maybe Mad magazine if they were still around.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          They would have some amazing Fauci cartoons.

  8. R Mac   3 years ago

    "Even in Hitler's Germany, you could cross the Alps to Switzerland, you could hide in the attic like Anne Frank," he said, which he contrasted to today, when the installation of 5G internet will be used to "harvest our data and control our behavior."

    How ludicrous!

    On a totally unrelated note, did you hear that the IRS is requiring people to give selfies with a copy of a picture ID to a third party internet company?

    1. m4019597   3 years ago

      Yes. The IRS will require that people take snapshots of themselves to “prove” themselves for access to their online accounts.

      It’s the collection of biometric data, outsourced to a company that disclaims responsibility for misuse. Crazy.

  9. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Vaccine good. Mandate bad. It's not that difficult.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      Well, I'd say more "vaccine OK, but rather disappointing in it's effectiveness at this point". It's good that it exists as it seems to be better than nothing for people at high to moderate risk. But it is far from what people had hoped it would be. I wish people would just admit that instead of trying to pretend that it's totally great and it's ridiculous to expect that a vaccine would actually stop you from getting infected or sick.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        My understanding is that the body has two levels of immune response. There are antibodies that attack the virus itself, and t-cells that attack cells that the virus has turned into virus factories. The former prevents you from getting sick while the latter fights infection. Traditional vaccines stimulate the former while mRNA stimulates the latter. So while it's not great at stopping you from getting sick (from a specific strain), if you get sick your body already knows how to fight it (and many of it's cousins) off.

        Trade offs.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          the mRNA vaccine attacks the spikes, not the core of the virus...

        2. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

          According to the conspiracy theorists at the CDC, natural immunity was six times stronger than vaccination during the delta variant.

        3. Zeb   3 years ago

          I haven't seen much on that distinction. I'd be curious what you have read on the subject. My understanding has been that the mRNA vaccines get your body to make the spike protein which then spurs the creation of antibodies.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Most of what I know is from the radio and podcasts. I suppose it's what Limbaugh would call lamestream media. Information is not hard to find.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              Lol.

            2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

              Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrgggfhhhhhhhhhhfffckingprogshitmoronthisiswhyuouarebrokenfffkkkkkkggghhhh...

        4. Overt   3 years ago

          "Traditional vaccines stimulate the former while mRNA stimulates the latter."

          This is not true to my knowledge. The mRNA instructs your cells to develop the spike protein (which is a protein that covers a virus, and is used by the virus to attach to cells and invade them). Your body knows this shouldn't be there and develops antibodies against it. It is teaching your body to recognize a vital part of the virus, using your own cells instead of a weakened/inactivated virus as traditional vaccines do.

        5. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          You have absolutely no clue and should really spend more time not talking.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      How about:

      Vaccine available. Now shut the fuck up.

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      People, including many commenters here, have a hard time making these type of distinctions. Sigh.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Socialists say that if you don't want government to do something then you don't want it to be done at all. Think roads and schools.

        The idiot trolls (you know who you are) say that if you want everyone to do something then you want government to force them. As in vaccines.

        Same mindset.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Your ignorance is incredible. It is like you and Mike are in a race to sleep with jeff first.

        2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          "The idiot trolls (you know who you are) say that if you want everyone to do something then you want government to force them. As in vaccines."

          Jeffy is not gonna give you a reach-around if you keep talking bad about him.

  10. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    TEA Party has some good ideas. Gets hijacked by the far right and turns into a shitshow.

    Police reformers have some good ideas. Gets hijacked by race baiters and turns into a shitshow.

    People rally to protest mandates. Gets hijacked by anti-vaxxers and turns into a shitshow.

    Seems to me the problem is the assholes who hijack good causes.

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

      Somehow the the IRS only decided to target the tea party.
      Weird.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Would it be better if the IRS went after everyone?

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          It would be better if they went after those committing crimes, and did it without caring about the politics of the target.

        2. HorseConch   3 years ago

          No, but if they did, they would start getting real pushback, not just a phony congressional hearing. If the IRS went hard after BLM, we would hear how racist they are, and need disbanded.

        3. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

          And again with the false choice.

  11. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    "The rally nevertheless attracted an overwhelmingly right-wing crowd.

    One could hardly swing an unvaccinated cat without hitting a "let's go Brandon" sign or a "Trump 2024" flag."

    Nothing like falsely smearing thousands of scientifically knowledgeable freedom loving Americans who oppose Biden's unscientific totalitarian vaccine mandates as a "right wing crowd".

    1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

      Are you surprised a leftist writer hates conservatives?

      1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

        No, but I'm surprised a Reason writer hates libertarians so much that he falsely refers to us "right wing".

        As a libertarian who was a registered Democrat from 1978-2016 and who campaigned against many Conservative right wing causes/laws since the 1970s (i.e. theocratic bans on abortion, contraceptives, sex education, weed/psychedelics and mandated creationism in public schools, prayers at public events and "In God We Trust" as the nation's byline), I consider it insulting for Britschgi to refer to fellow freedom libertarians as "right wing" simply because they oppose Biden and his vaccine mandate while supporting Trump (the most libertarian President since Cal Coolidge).

        during the past disdains supported Trump s are distinctly different than Conservatives (who can more accurately be described as right wing), but Britschgi labels While r

        1. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

          oops ignroe the last illegible sentence above. Forgot to delete before hitting submit.

        2. nobody 2   3 years ago

          'I consider it insulting for Britschgi to refer to fellow freedom libertarians as "right wing"...'

          I think it will be easier to bear once you recognize the false assumption you're making there.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      And those are a lot less awful than the people you see flying the hammer and sickle at rallies for things the left likes. Some people will always bring their own political hobby horses to whatever event.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Whatever their political philosophy these people are arguing for freedom to make their own choices about their own bodies and backing up the argument in some cases with the opinions of experts. You know like that guy that invented the vaccine technology. In other words, liberty and reason. I guess Reason finds those concepts problematic.

  12. MonitorsMost   3 years ago

    Well obviously an unvaccinated cat has more swinging range because it’s muscles aren’t all tensed up from the injection.

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      No tigers are vaccinated. The have a big swing radius.

      1. Dillinger   3 years ago

        [insert Johnson joke here]

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        They all got eaten by venesualens

  13. Zeb   3 years ago

    Some of the genuine anti-vax people are nutters and certainly not helping. But I saw very little in the article that could honestly be called "anti-vax" sentiments. Robert Malone certainly isn't anti-vax. He just has concerns about these particular ones. RFK Jr. is kind of a nut, but he has some interesting and worthwhile observations.
    At this point I'll take whatever kinds of allies we can get.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Malone's main issue is the dismissal of therapeutic avenues of treatment.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        Yes, and it should be. That side of things is absolutely shocking. Even if things like Ivermectin and HCQ end up not being particularly useful, it's just insane how they have been suppressed. And even uncontroversial treatments like monoclonal antibodies you hardly hear about.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Just more evidence that this was about getting rid of Trump as much as anything else.

        2. Nardz   3 years ago

          Insane? No, it's deliberately harmful.
          It is evil.

        3. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          Monoclonals got cancelled Monday.

          Merck almost has its totally-not-ivermectin protease inhibitor pill out.

  14. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    masked men in Proud Boys shirts.

    I'm really only superficially aware of the Proud Boys, but that sounds off. Is it their MO to wear masks? I imagine some would since COVID, but based on their politics, they're probably much less likely than the general population to be masking up for protection. So the description of them as "masked men" would seem to imply that this is how this is how the Proud Boys operate, wearing masks to rallies or protests. Is that accurate?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      As is the case with all lefty propagandists, Christian is well versed on the Proud Boys and Qanon.

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        I can't seem to find any identification with Proud Boys as "masked men." When I search those terms, I find stories about them being confronted by "masked men" who are Antifa, but the Proud Boys seem unlikely to wear masks. There's a lot of other headlines about Proud Boys working with "anti-maskers," so they're probably less likely to be wearing N95 or KN95 masks for COVID.

        So my question would be: Why does Christian characterize Proud Boys as being "masked men?"

        1. DesigNate   3 years ago

          Because Christian is stupid and doesn't recognize a false flag when he sees one?

          1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

            The false flag is a potential, since all you'd need is a shirt, of course.

            But there's multiple reasons someone might be wearing a mask. In addition to the COVID risk, it was pretty brisk in DC this weekend also. I suppose it had warmed up by Sunday, but 37 and windy isn't entirely pleasant and people might have been wearing ski-masks to keep their faces warm.

            Simply seeing a few Proud Boys wearing masks doesn't seem to be worth the implications of calling "masked men." That has connotations of illicit behavior.

      2. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        And, just to elaborate, this is what bugs me about it. This isn't a story that has anything to do with the Proud Boys. This little byte of a sentence is tiny, but it seems to include an allegation, one that isn't fact-checked, and is unimportant to the narrative. This is how pervasive propaganda can be, when you have to sprinkle in tid-bits of this into whatever subject you're talking about. It further drives in and internalizes a negative stereotype.

        Instead of bringing up these irrelevant details that demonize people you don't like when it's irrelevant, just try ending every article with "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam." It gets the point across better.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          “This little byte of a sentence is tiny, but it seems to include an allegation, one that isn't fact-checked, and is unimportant to the narrative.”

          No, it’s very important to the narrative, that’s why it was written. You’re just confused on which narrative.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      Antifa and BLM rioters were masks + both sides = Reason must lie about Proud Boys wearing masks.

      The end.

    3. m4019597   3 years ago

      Since 1/6, many more conservative protesters are wearing masks, just to avoid being cancelled by employers and hassled by the feds.

      Considering the anti-American actions of our government recently, it’s no surprise that someone claiming to be Proud Boys would take precautions.

  15. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    These comparisons were echoed on signs and chants from many in attendance, which described vaccines as "Tuskegee 2.0" and "Nuremberg 2.0."

    The restriction of access to monoclonal antibodies has a Tuskeegee-ish feel to it.

    1. Roberta   3 years ago

      Not only that, but discussions don't even bring up the simple, obvious, and cheap: prednisone.

  16. damikesc   3 years ago

    Good question I saw online: Why are the same people bitching about anti-vaxxers also bemoaning how anti-vaxxers are dying?

    1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      I don’t know. Maybe give a specific example of what one specific person said. It’s hard to explain the thinking of some vaguely defined group.

      1. damikesc   3 years ago

        They claim that the dying are primarily anti-vaxxers. Then bemoan the number of deaths occurring. Seems inconsistent on a good day.

        And within a year, you're going to see violence against the mask Karens out there. They might need to learn that boundaries exist.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          There’s this “they” out there. Can you give one specific example of a member of this “they”?

          1. R Mac   3 years ago

            Keep in mind, folks, that Dee frequently calls out people without naming them.

  17. Bill Godshall   3 years ago

    Joe Rogan's illuminating interview with Robert Malone is at
    https://unherd.com/2022/01/we-need-to-talk-about-the-vaccines/

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      the Dr. McCullough interview is also really good.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        That one was good. And he's a lot less likely to put you to sleep while talking.

    2. m4019597   3 years ago

      It’s not illuminating. It’s one-sided.

      Experts can be nuts. Malone is a nut.

      1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

        Is that how 'concerned and qualified scientist using publicly available data to explore a seemingly valid hypothesis that happens to run contrary to the gov't narrative' is spelled now?

  18. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    To most on the Right, there is no difference between anti-mandate and anti-vaccine. On the flip side, most of the left doesn't see the difference between vaccines and vaccine-mandates. It's only the lone libertarians who see that there is a difference between what is good and what is mandatory.

    So the Right tribe logic is, mandates bad therefore vaccines bad, while the Left side logic is, vaccines good therefore vaccine mandates.

    The truth is that vaccines are good, but vaccine-mandates are bad.

    1. Ali Akbar Alexander   3 years ago

      Whenever I’m faced by the moral dilemma of a restaurant not allowing you into the building I simply look to the libertarian vessel of the GOP, which has been super amazing on abortion, drugs, butt sex, and immigration and look to the wisdom of Dear Leader himself, Donald Trump. [Checks wikipedia]

      Oh wait… I look to the wisdom of Dear Leader himself, Ron DeSantis, who has been crystal clear on his vaccination status.

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        You almost got yourself excommunicated, Bub.

    2. MasterThief   3 years ago

      A few questions about your premise.
      While I would assume actual anti-vaxxers made their presence felt, is it possible that people and conservatives are specifically against this new vaccine that uses new methods? Is it possible that the majority of those opposing these vaccines are skeptical of their effectiveness and concerned of potential harm? Are a significant portion of these people expressing a very libertarian principle that the mandates are an imposition on liberty? Further, what message does it send when the entire establishment is so dead-set on forcing everyone to get the shots? Why are alternative treatments downplayed so hard? The way they've gone about this makes it easy to establish conspiracy theories or to spur people into becoming contrarian. If it was so good for you then the logical case for it would be sufficient and there would be no need to silence dissenting and alternative voices

      1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

        The suddenly-developed Ludditism, concern for anti-pharmaceutical company greed, and long-term health effects of things they ingest that have spouted out of nowhere seem a tad insincere.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          Who are you talking about?

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Whatever the left tells him to talk about.

        2. damikesc   3 years ago

          Giving total protection from liability is not going to lead a lot of faith in the product.

          1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

            Most people don’t even know or care. Your average person out there isn’t reading right-wing talking points bulletins.

            1. R Mac   3 years ago

              The pharma companies being given immunity is a right-wing talking point?

              1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

                Yes. Anything not compliance is heresy.

      2. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        Except that these vaccines have most certainly been proven to be safe and effective. The excuse that we need to wait the standard ten years before the FDA is allowed to approve is bullshit. You know, and I know, and everyone else knows, that this hesitancy is ALL ABOUT the politics. You guys look to see who is for it, and if they're not a member of your tribe, then you're against it.

        And why the are you accusing me of silencing any voices? Fuck you!

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          So safe Belgium is recalling them and Australia has set up payment plans for jab injuries.

          So effective the CDC says they do not stop infection or spread.

          https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      "To most on the Right, there is no difference between anti-mandate and anti-vaccine. "

      Frankly, I don't think you have demonstrated yourself to have enough grasp of the facts to say this with any certainty. Indeed, over the past year, while being wrong on whether the vaccine kept you from getting sick, that never prevented you from insisting that you also knew the hearts and minds of anyone who wouldn't get vaccinated.

      Do you have polling to suss out whether "on the Right" there is a difference between anti-mandate and anti-vaccine? Or does it just sound right to you based on the Right-leaning strawmen in your head?

      Perhaps you should slow down passing categorical judgement on people, since your track record- especially in regards to the vaccine- has been pretty awful this year.

    4. R Mac   3 years ago

      “To most on the Right, there is no difference between anti-mandate and anti-vaccine.”

      Cite? Cuz this sounds like something you made up because of your disdain for people on the right.

      1. damikesc   3 years ago

        I do not hate the vaccine. I took two jabs (I will not do more because, seriously, there is no benefit). But the mandate is batshit insane.

        And if you're damaged by the vaccine you're REQUIRED to take...who will make you whole?

    5. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      I, and all my family, are current on REAL vaccines for actually harmful illness.

      These are studied, established medicines with excellent safety data and miniscule risk that prevent serious harm.

      The Covid jab is the antithesis of that. It is a leaky therapeutic that is indicated in multiple studies (including the initial EUA application noting an increase in health impacts of vaxxed to un) to cause a wide wange of harm at levels exceeding every other vaccine since 1990 combined.

      For reference, the H1N1 vaccine was yanked after 4 deaths. We have 22,000 and counting now.

  19. Ali Akbar Alexander   3 years ago

    My muscles prevent me from getting Covid. Why should I get the vaccine when I have super awesome pecs. Another example of the fascist socialist administration of Joe Biden. Just look at Merrick Garland for example. He should probably wear an armband.

    1. DesigNate   3 years ago

      You really really suck at parody. Like really bad.

      1. Ali Akbar Alexander   3 years ago

        Parody? People keep claiming that I’m a parody account, but I’m not. I’m a gay black man who is GOPProud like Milo, Caitlyn and master epidemiologist, Joe Rogan. Here’s my question to demonstrate I’m not a parody account so you believe me when I say that the GOP has the best libertarian record of all time: How much longer with the Marxist Leninist Nazi Biden administration be allowed to operate until a group of patriots enjoin in a battle with the local constable? They did that before, but unfortunately one patriot got shot in the neck when she bravely charged a cop with a loaded gun on her. What we need is more examples of this. See? I’m not parody.

        1. R Mac   3 years ago

          No seriously this is really lame.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            I think it's Mike Laursen

            1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

              He's definitely stupid enough for this.

  20. Ghatanathoah   3 years ago

    I think a lot of people have difficulty getting their heads around the idea that something can be good, but shouldn't be mandatory, or that something can be bad, but shouldn't be prohibited. It isn't enough to say that vaccines shouldn't be mandatory, people need to say they're bad too, even though that's a load of crap. "COVID vaccines are good, but shouldn't be mandatory" is a perfectly coherent position.

    COVID vaccines work, and everyone who hasn't gotten one without a genuine medical reason to do so is an idiot. All their reasons for why they don't want to are based on willful ignorance and misunderstanding of science. However, the government should not be able to force people to get vaccinated, even though not getting vaccinated against COVID is idiotic. People have a right to be idiots, and the government would doubtless misuse its power.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      COVID vaccines work, and everyone who hasn't gotten one without a genuine medical reason to do so is an idiot. All their reasons for why they don't want to are based on willful ignorance and misunderstanding of science.

      That simply isn't true. There are a fair number of people who won't take it because they refuse to be pushed around and told what to do. There are other factors besides likely medical outcomes that people may consider. Sometimes standing up to defend essential rights is more important than doing everything possible to mitigate the effects of a virus. And making that judgement does not make someone an idiot.
      Way too many people are getting vaccinated for the convenience of having the card that gets you into places. Someone has to stand up for our rights. If you do get vaccinated, throw that fucking card away and refuse to discuss your vaccination with anyone you don't have a close relationship with.

    2. R Mac   3 years ago

      This comment would’ve almost made sense 6 months ago. If you still think the vaccines work so good that you’re an idiot not to get them, you’re ignoring a lot of information.

    3. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Jab is a therapeutic that reduces symptoms. All it has ever done. Ask the CDC.

    4. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      COVID vaccines work, and everyone who hasn't gotten one without a genuine medical reason to do so is an idiot.

      I count a genuine medical reason to not do so is being in a known low-risk category.

  21. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

    Meanwhile, Monday saw the abrupt removal of a thus-far highly successful treatment option for undisclosed reasons.

    Monoclonal antibodies (what that awful Florida plague hotel has been primarily using to successfully treat many C+ patients) had it's EUA yanked without explanation.

    The gov't is NOT here to look out for your wellbeing. If you believe that, I do believe you voted for Brandon with pride and supreme ignorance.

    https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme

    1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      I'm sorry, there WAS a reason why monoclonals got their EUA pulled; the FDA said they were unlikely to be effective against Omicron.

      ...just let that sink in, nice and deep-like, and wait for Jeff and Mike to explain everything.

      The EUA of one therapeutic was revoked when it was indicated to have diminished efficacy without any indicated harm. The EUA of another, also indicated to have dimished efficacy and known harm, was expanded to a mandate.

      I'm guessing the difference is lobbyists rather than scientists.

    2. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

      Wrong link too. Story is better updated elsewhere anyway.

  22. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    An anti-mandate rally IS an anti-vaccine rally.

    *sigh*

    From Merriam-Webster, definition: Anti-vaxxer

    Definition of anti-vaxxer
    : a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination

    Secondly, even if it were only a protest against the mandate... OF COURSE it's going to bring out the people who by your antiquated definition of 'anti-vaxxer'. Many people oppose the mandate because they believe things about the vaccines, such as the health risks, or that they're injecting a micro-chip into your body etc. If you looked at a crowd and said, "would all people who oppose vaccine mandates step over here, and all people for them step over here" 100% of the people who are paranoid about vaccines containing microchips are going to move along with people who are vaccinated, and take them yearly who merely believe that the mandate is a violation of body autonomy. They can't be separated.

    However, a grownup knows this, and a good journalist can duly separate those people out.

  23. MT-Man   3 years ago

    Good points - once again only anecdotal but my friend who was put in ice and brought back from respiratory failure was told they should be thankful for the vaccine as it saved their life. Bold statement and how do they know this I ask?

  24. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    People that favor the mandates for this reason should also prove that they have stopped raping sheep

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    But that could only happen when a self-defined political group feels both righteous and superior, casts their opposition as sub-human and dangerous, seizes political power through pseudo-democratic means (including violent public spectacles), institutes increasing legal restrictions on the "vermin" as well as required shows of allegiance, and coopts the media and major businesses.

    So not here, right?

  26. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Same with comparisons to the Mao Cultural revolution. Jeff was even attacking those comparisons yesterday, being the ignorant sot he is.

  27. Overt   3 years ago

    And even *IF* it is bad form to compare to Nazi Germany are untoward, that just means Britschgi's message is "Vaccine Protestors: Correct, but I don't like their message."

    I mean...ok. But why is it so important to a libertarian rag how a bunch of people craft their message. Rather than saying, "You might not like the tenor of their message, but they are right on liberty" Britschgi is saying the opposite, "They might have a point on liberty, but the real story here is the message."

    This is why Reason can become so god damn infuriating. Reason isn't a marketing firm. They aren't here to focus group messaging, and I am not at all confident that Britschgi in his droning "Akshewallly" sneers is even competent at such a task anyways. Get on board with promoting liberty, or go to Salon ffs.

  28. Nardz   3 years ago

    You don't even have to be against these vaccines to count as an anti-vaxxer.
    You could have both initial shots and 2 or 3 boosters, but if you don't testify to the wonderous gift from The Science that they are and/or think it's ok for people to not get vaxxed for whatever reasons, you're a white supremacist anti-vaxxer.
    Welcome to the Global Socialist Party's Cultural Revolution

  29. Roberta   3 years ago

    The bloggers here often aren't careful about that subject. Remember when one or more of them got on Rand Paul's case when they imputed him as giving undeserved credence to the vaccine-autism connection, when he was actually referring to cases of encephalopathy from pertussis vaccine?

  30. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

    They, of course, don’t know. They are going by population statistics, and are quite likely correct, but they don’t KNOW.

  31. Nardz   3 years ago

    Reason is here to push progressive totalitarianism.
    It's gaslighting you.

  32. Roberta   3 years ago

    You missed where Britschgi gives his reason:

    That's an attitude that might even resonate with many residents of large, liberal cities where vaccine passport systems have been implemented. Here in D.C.,...

    He wants arguments couched in a way that appeals to the kinds of people he encounters. Maybe it's embarrassing to him when the people around him associate him with the wrong kind of argument, or with the wrong kind of people.

    Or, as it has been caricatured by commenters here for about the past decade, "cocktail parties".

  33. Roberta   3 years ago

    But the population statistics aren't case-controlled. We don't know whether those who were vaccinated and got better were in as severe a condition as those who were not vaccinated and got better, nor for those who died.

  34. Roberta   3 years ago

    You mean concern-trolling?

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