Were Biden's Election Legitimacy Remarks Dangerous or Just Stupid?
They were a bit of both.

In the middle of a nearly two-hour, nearly 18,000-word press conference on Wednesday evening, President Joe Biden seemingly cast doubt over whether the upcoming midterm elections would be "illegitimate" if Congress did not pass a series of voting reform bills he has proposed.
"I'm not going to say it's going to be legit," Biden said at one point, after being asked to clarify an inarticulate remark he'd made earlier about trust in the electoral system. "The increase and the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these…reforms passed."
On its own, that soundbite is clearly quite bad. If Biden's view is that American elections should not be trusted until Congress makes some changes, then he's staking out a position that could be used to undermine trust in any future election that occurs under the current rules. For that matter, he's also undermining his own victory in the last election—a victory and an election that many Americans already believe were illegitimate—by suggesting that our default setting should be to doubt the system.
Within the context of the rest of Biden's response to that same question, it sounds—well, OK, it still sounds pretty bad. But the president's response was confused from the start—the reporter who asked the question actually had to interrupt Biden, after he initially launched into a response focused on former President Donald Trump's attempts to undermine the outcome of the 2020 election, to remind him the question was about 2022. After getting back on track, Biden makes the point about the "prospect" of an "illegitimate" election while trying to make the case for the Democrats' voting rights bill, but he never seems to be quite sure what point he's trying to make.
(You can watch the full press conference via C-SPAN here. The exchange about voting begins at the 1:19:55 mark.)
The lack of clarity about what exactly Biden was saying is the best defense, or excuse, for this worrying moment. Unsurprisingly, this is exactly the defense that the White House is going with—Press Secretary Jen Psaki tweeted on Thursday morning that Biden meant the opposite of what he seemed to say.
Lets be clear: @potus was not casting doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 election. He was making the opposite point: In 2020, a record number of voters turned out in the face of a pandemic, and election officials made sure they could vote and have those votes counted.
— Karine Jean-Pierre (@PressSec) January 20, 2022
But that's not good enough. Biden's remarks about the legitimacy of elections were certainly stupid, but they're also dangerous. And the moment was significant enough that the president himself ought to clarify—immediately—what he meant to say.
Because even if you're going to give Biden the benefit of the doubt, there's a real problem.
"As I read the remarks, and particularly how Biden responded to the second set of questions, it appears that he has in mind a concern about election subversion, not voter suppression, and how the failure to pass the Democrats' combined voting bill would make it easier to engage in election subversion," Rick Hasen, a professor of political science at the University of California, Irvine, notes at the Election Law Blog.
Even so, Hasen adds, "casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election is a highly charged statement to make, and such language should be reserved for a system that is so repressive that it would be considered a fundamentally unfair election. I don't think that's what we will see in the 2022 midterms, whether or not Democrats pass any new voting bills."
Whether intentional or not, Biden's comments also fit into a worrying trend of Democrats declaring elections to be illegitimate simply because they were held under a set of (legitimately passed) state laws that Democrats disagree with. That's what happened in 2018 when Georgia gubernatorial hopeful Stacey Abrams refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of her close loss to Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican.
If you dislike the laws governing elections, of course, you're free to try to change them. That's exactly what Democrats are trying to do with their various reform proposals in Congress—and what Republicans are trying to do in various state capitals. There will always be debates over the proper way to conduct elections, but declaring marginal changes in either direction to be so far out of bounds that they render entire elections illegitimate is accomplishing nothing except eroding the actual legitimacy of the democratic system.
Of course, nothing that Biden or Abrams or any other Democrat has said or done comes close to what Trump and his allies attempted to do in the wake of the 2020 election. There is a wide gulf between Biden's inarticulate ruminations and Trump's actual attempts to pressure election officials to alter results, have state lawmakers submit alternative slates of electors, and ultimately subvert the Electoral College. There is no equivalence to be drawn there.
But that's all the more reason why Biden's public comments about the election system matter. If your opponent is trying to tear down trust in the democratic system, there is nothing to be gained by suggesting that he might be right.
Clearing the bar of being "less bad than Trump" might have been good enough to get Biden elected—indeed, polls suggest that's the main reason why he won in 2020—but it's not good enough in these circumstances. And what Biden said on Wednesday seems even worse when you consider what he could have offered instead.
"Biden should have responded by proclaiming that he will never raise questions of fraud or illegitimacy without hard evidence. He could have reminded everyone that he had attended the inauguration of quite a few Republican presidents, including two who won very close elections, and accepted the results every time," writes Bloomberg columnist Jonathan Bernstein. "He could have said that he hoped that every election is free and fair, and that he'll do everything possible to see that they are."
Exactly. And firing off accusations of illegitimate elections months before there could be any actual evidence of wrongdoing is about as likely to convince lawmakers to back Biden's election reforms as last week's ill-conceived attempt to paint holdout senators as tantamount to being defenders of Jim Crow laws.
This isn't just faulty political judgment or a few poorly chosen words. Biden managed to both undermine trust in the electoral system and undermine the chances that he'll be able to pass the reforms he says are essential to restoring that trust.
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If we're going to apply the same standards, they are borderline insurrectionist, and clearly a dangerous threat to our democracy.
He should be impeached immediately, based on recent precedent.
On the other hand, I suppose that's why he chose Kamala Harris.
🙂 Kinda ironic when you think about why Obama chose him.
J. Danforth Quayle.
Quayle could not spell potato. Biden is a potato.
He spudders out of control. Often.
I thought Biden was an idiot, but it turns out he is an authoritarian dic-tator.
Maybe he is just an authoritarian dic-tator.
Biden is dried out potato flakes.
No one likes them.
And todays " Leftists stepping in shit" moment:
"SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Two California counties violated the Constitution’s right to keep and bear arms when they shut down gun and ammunition stores in 2020 as nonessential businesses during the coronavirus pandemic, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday."
AP
They just serm to love it!
That's probably the same subset of the 9th circuit that ruled against Oregon's open carry ban. When it goes to be re-heard by the full panel, the leftists on that court (who generally are probably disappointed that they don't personally have the authority to repeal 2A altogether) will reverse this ruling as well. Then it'll be on the Supremes to actually take up a case in that area for a change, which they probably won't in this case if they wouldn't do it on some of the bigger 2A violations out there like mag restrictions.
LOL!
How can you offend potatoes everywhere with a comment like that?
Potatoes are at least useful.
D-w-t race to the bottom.
Impeached, then held without bail in solitary confinement for a period of not less than a year. No visitation privileges, no ice cream, no television, no botox, no tanning bed.
Full Body Cavity Search.
The bastard stole the election. He knows theres no way he can win with his ratings flushed down the crapper.
Fuck Joe Biden
FUCK Joe Biden
I vote for stupid and dangerous.
If the Democrats are going to say that questioning the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election is evil and insurrectionist and at the same time turn around and question the legitimacy of mid term elections that they know going in are going to cost them seats in Congress, that hypocrisy will only further encourage political violence by both sides.
"I vote for stupid and dangerous"
Unfortunately it seems impossible to vote for anything else these days.
it would have been impossible - had the fortified election legislation and subsequent filibuster nuke (either\or) passed
"... that hypocrisy will only further encourage political violence by both sides."
This is exactly what they want, but only one side will be punished. So, if you lean libertarian or conservative and decide to march on something, go all out. If captured, you will not be granted bail, you will be denied due process, and your character will be destroyed in the press. Earn that shit.
^
The Boehms of the world need to recognize that there will be no more fence sitting. If they wait until the shit hits the fan then they will get what they have earned.
Well, of course. They spent the whole of the last administration calling Trump illegitimate, and claiming that the Russians or whoever rigged the election.
They automatically go from "the election was rigged", to "any person who suggests the election might be rigged is a traitor", depending on the results.
That is as dependable as the likelihood that any conservative elected will be worse than Hitler.
They know their base is too stupid to remember their talking points from two months earlier so they can switch sides on any issue without concern for consequences.
Yes, Deesarc is that stupid.
While also saying if they don't overhaul election laws, the NEXT election will also be stolen.
Dear God, I never thought that after Bush and Obama and Trump there would be yet another worst president of my lifetime. Could Biden actually be more awful if he tried?
He's got plenty of time left.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Oh, he'll make it to the end: the Democrats are going to pickle him and stuff an animatronic skeleton inside if they have to. Nobody could tell the difference anyway.
Return to norms. Adults in charge.
'So presidential...'
A true moderate and centrist who will work with both sides.
At this point I have to believe his doctors are advising him not to put effort into anything, even trying to one-up his predecessors. The man is hanging on by a thread, if he has to actually exert effort he's going to have a stroke.
Depends.
🙂
You really didn't need to bring the President's wardrobe into it.
A+
I see what you did there.
Be careful, he may haev
Have* more time in office than sane left.
"Dear God, I never thought that after Bush and Obama and Trump there would be yet another worst president of my lifetime."
One of those is not like the others, unless a TDS-addled idiot is posting.
Yeah, one of them is not a corrupt, war mongering, totalitarian establishment hack; the other two are, the two you like.
Methinks you misread Sevo's comment.
You're right. Sorry about that.
They were downright Treasonous! How can we let an Insurrectionist occupy the White House!
...that's how this works, right?
Only for the blue - - - - - - - -
Biden and the Democratic Congress are doing so well that any midterm outcome other than #BlueWave2022 can only be the result of JIM CROW 2.0 and / or RUSSIAN HACKING.
#LibertariansForBiden
Bad enough that Trump is casting doubts; now we have Biden dointg it too.
Democrats cast doubts in 2019 prior to the election as well.
iNsURRrReCtiOn!!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/democrats-attempts-to-deny-trump-are-rejected-in-joint-session.html
Do you remember Bush v. Gore? Do you remember all the other problems with counting and ballots and breaking the law? Do you remember 2016 and Hillary's continued claims that the elections were manipulated?
US elections are have never been run properly.
The thing is: in the past, it didn't matter that much because both parties ran moderate, interchangeable candidates (by design of the US political system) and the power of the federal government was more limited.
These reforms weren't in place when Biden was elected. By his own standards, that calls into question the legitimacy of his election.
At least he's finally found some common ground with Republicans.
The Great Unifier!
We can all hate Brandon together.
He will be brandon you an insurrectionist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETmlD0l4T3Y
I wish hed " find ground" with Mc Cain.
Biden is off his rocker, and his advisors are driving him off a cliff.
"History has never been kind to those who have sided with voter suppression over voters’ rights. And it will be even less kind for those who side with election subversion.
So, I ask every elected official in America: How do you want to be remembered?
"At consequential moments in history, they present a choice: Do you want to be the si- — on the side of Dr. King or George Wallace? Do you want to be on the side of John Lewis or Bull Connor? Do you want to be on the side of Abraham Lincoln or Jefferson Davis?"
----Joe Biden, January 11, 2022
"Remarks by President Biden on Protecting the Right to Vote"
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/01/11/remarks-by-president-biden-on-protecting-the-right-to-vote/
The interesting thing about this statement is that it's directed at moderate Democrats--politicians like Manchin and Sinema on the one hand and moderate Democrat voters on the other. Either suburban women are in favor of Biden, or they're supporting segregation and the Confederacy!
Politically, this is an act of profound stupidity. Suburban women aren't likely to support Biden because he accuses them of being racists if they don't. Suburban women are more likely to think to themselves, "Joe Biden ain't no Dr. King or Abraham Lincoln".
We're probably reading too much into this when we're speculating about the reasons behind Biden's silliness. Some of it has all the same reasons as Howard Dean's "Dean scream". Some of it is fully intended and well practiced derp.
The headline is that the Biden administration is making a fool of itself. If the old man farted in the middle of an interview, would progressive journalists everywhere project some kind of deeper meaning? What if the reason Biden is saying this stupid shit is because both he and his advisors are ridiculous idiots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6i-gYRAwM0
To continue to say what should not have to be said:
Jefferson Davis was a democrat.
George Wallace was a democrat.
Bull Connor was a democrat.
Roger Taney, Chief Justice of the SC and majority opinion writer during Dred Scott , was a Democratic Party member.
And the Democrats Biden's statement was directed at don't fault him for that at all. Why would they? Moderate Democrats don't like being called racists--for not siding with Biden. Moderate Democrats are not racists because they disagree with Biden, and shitting all over moderate Democrats is self-destructive for Biden. We should encourage him to continue. Our response to this should not be to tell moderate Democrats that they're racists because Democrats in the past were racists. We should tell them that if they don't like being called racists for not supporting progressives, they should stop voting for progressives just because they're Democrats.
Oh, and I realize that plenty of people (libertarians and moderate Democrats) may be confused about the differences between progressives and moderate Democrats.
We can start with opposition to the Green New Deal, and the massive expansion of entitlement programs that were contained in the Build Back Better bill. We can follow up with the opposition to ending the filibuster. Progressives are on one side; moderate Democrats are on the other.
There are other differences we might point to, with the observation that moderate Democrats generally aren't painting everyone--including fellow Democrats--as racists for disagreeing with progressives on any particular issue. There is a clear split developing in the Democratic party, among both the politicians and their supporters, and we need to exploit that widening gap--to the detriment of the socialist and authoritarian progressives.
The Republicans are shaping to have a big victory in November. If we manage to persuade moderate Democrat voters to stay home, rather than vote for progressives, it'll be an historic defeat for the ages, from which the progressives may not recover for a generation or two. And the authoritarian socialists losing is the next best thing to victory for libertarian capitalists.
i disagree. all democrats are either openly marxist, leftist or secretly. the democrat party is the party of death & destruction and it's member hate this country. there are no moderates. even manchin who voted to not change the filibuster said that he supported the supposed voting bills. the democrat party is the enemy of freedom & liberty. period.
If that's true then we are fucked no matter what.
What you say about the party may be generally true. I don't think it's true of all of it's members/voters.
the thing about generalizations is that they're generally true. you're right that it doesn't hold true for 100%, but enough that is really matters.
how about this from a recent poll? these are the enemies.
55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine
48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications
45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine
47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine
A national insanity has gripped liberals. Unfortunately there is no cure for it; only seclusion and treatment.
And those are awful positions to hold, but not particularly marxist or even leftist.
I don't disagree that many Democrats are insane leftists or that the party is pretty much awful in every way at this point. But I'm trying to maintain a little optimism. If that much of the country is that far gone, then what hope is there that anything gets better?
i don't think there is any hope it gets better. it will only get worse -- guaranteed.
The good news is that almost half of independents now feel that violence against the government is justified is certain situations.
Just 20 years ago, only 19% felt that way.
Another few years of this bullshit and we might be decorating light poles with politicians.
That is not a definition of generalization, it's an application. Generalizations are a composition fallacy, presuming that what is true of a subset is true for the entire population. The DNC and left-leaning/progressive types are definitely circling the drain, but they're not all lost.
Unemployments at a low bc everyones out of work.
No further down to crash.
If there is a difference between voting for BBB and voting against BBB, there's a real difference between moderate Democrats and progressives. If there's a difference between voting to kill the filibuster and voting against killing the filibuster, there's a difference between moderate Democrats and progressives.
The real differences for moderate Democrats are the home owning or rental investments that have low-ish property taxes. Libertarians or republicans would be wise to send out flyers posting property taxes in NY, NJ and Illinois. Why is the rent so damn high- jobs demand and property taxes. “A House like yours on Long Island would pay $25,000 a year in property taxes”. A Chicago suburb $12,000. New Jersey $30k. A bus driver pension in New York is $? Whatever it is for life, adds up to five to ten or more million.
The mob went into government and government unions. It’s easier than worrying about dead bodies and the messy stuff.
Dumbing it down like that would actually be effective.
Far too many voters cannot connect "tax increase" with "rent increase".
Almost all of the moderate Democrats have left the party.
I know: I used to be one.
It's an interesting fact, but really doesn't matter and won't change anyone's mind about anything. Democrats are bad now because of what they are trying to do now. Not because of why some other Democrats were bad in the past.
Boehm....You are a complete shithead. This was you in 2020.
ERIC BOEHM
Reporter
Who do you plan to vote for this year? I am currently not registered to vote in Virginia, where I live. If I change that before the election, I will vote for Jo Jorgensen—unless I believe there is a chance that Joe Biden will somehow fail to win Virginia, in which case I will vote strategically and reluctantly for Biden.
You voted for this, dumbass. Hope you like it. Shmuck.
A Boehm moment.
RETURN TO NORMALCY!!! NO MEAN TWEETS!!! KIDS IN CAGES!!!
THE ADULT DIAPERS ARE BACK IN THE ROOM!
Now THAT’S a Boehm Rap!
I gotta say, I've taken a pause after, 'that quote alone sounds pretty bad and in context, well, it sounds pretty bad, but he was pretty confused...' to allow my sides to stop hurting and am looking forward to seeing if Boehm sticks the landing or not.
'He sounds pretty confused.' Well, by all means, that should be accepted as balm for the soul of the Nation. Somebody get the confused old fucker a pen and a phone so he can whip off another few hundred executive actions and orders, stat.
the author does understand that there is huge difference between trumps questions about the 2020 election and biden. trump's questions were about the illegal election laws that we passed by various states. these laws were put in place by governors or non-elected bureaucrats. problem is that the us constitution says that state election laws must be set by the state legislatures. and if there we illegitimate elections laws passed then by definition there were illegitimate ballots cast. this was trump's point and he was right. it's indisputable.
Yeah, Boehm the Bullshitter understands all of that difference perfectly well. The shmuck picked his side. The alleged libertarian morphed into a woke uber-lib.
Reason, media, democrats will never admit that truth.
"the illegal election laws that we passed by various states. these laws were put in place by governors or non-elected bureaucrats. "
More carefully, the "rules" handed down by various governors and secretaries-of-state were, in fact, NOT laws and often were in direct violation of clear and specific, duly passed-by-legislature-signed-by-governor actual laws. You know, like a real totalitarian dictator would just ignore laws and demand that his rules would be followed.
And then, worse, many courts just said "meh." or punted by saying the questions that might be legitimate were moot, because the legislatures signed off on the election results anyway. Even when courts ruled that laws were violated, there was no real recourse for changing the results.
I am unaware of any governors being censured or impeached, or even any secs-state being called out, and precious few low-level elections officials have been removed from office. That's the real crime.
you are correct, of course.
The "moot" gambit by the courts was huge, and oddly followed by many disparate courts.
Before the election they declined to hear the cases challenging the unlawful changes to election rules because no harm had yet been done... Therefore they declared a lack of standing. And after the harm was done, they declared the case moot.
A perfect catch 22.
The changes were often indeed illegal, as a judge in Wisconsin recently noted. Mostly because they were not laws "passed" but instead were edicts issued by executive or judicial branches in direct contravention of existing law.
And many of the Jim Crow 2.0 changes in Georgia's laws were to simply clarify and codify some of those new "rules". Prior to COVID, Georgia had no drop boxes, they were hence illegal. But during COVID drop boxes were magically allowed and essentially unregulated/unsecured. One part of the new Georgia laws now ALLOWS drop boxes, but with certain conditions (primarily that they be located inside government buildings). So this is an actual legal expansion of access, but Biden says it's Jim Crow 2.0.
Glad I got out of that racist state Georgia, what with them passing these new racist election laws. Have you seen this law yet? You can't even hand out a bottle of water! Read the law and then I'll look at what this means further below.
Section 17-140 Furnishing money or entertainment to induce attendance at polls
Furnishing money or entertainment to induce attendance at polls. Any person who directly or indirectly by himself or through any other person in connection with or in respect of any election during the hours of voting on a day of a general, special or primary election gives or provides, or causes to be given or provided, or shall pay, wholly or in part, for any meat, drink, tobacco, refreshment or provision to or for any person, other than persons who are official representatives of the board of elections or political parties and committees and persons who are engaged as watchers, party representatives or workers assisting the candidate, except any such meat, drink, tobacco, refreshment or provision having a retail value of less than one dollar, which is given or provided to any person in a polling place without any identification of the person or entity supplying such provisions, is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
Oh wait, silly me. That's the New York state election law that DOES THE SAME THING!
I've read the new Georgia law, and unless you're a racist who thinks black people are somehow incapable of having an approved ID or unable register to vote 78 days before an election, there's nothing it does that is anything close to "Jim Eagle" (WTH does that even mean?).
Some of the things it is getting called out on are just wrong.
It EXTENDS early voting, rather than cuts it, providing 3 weeks of early-in-person voting and requiring 2 (vs previous 1) Saturday of early in-person voting. It EXTENDS permissible voting hours.
It PROVIDES ballot drop boxes. Georgia did not permit drop boxes at all, except that they were permitted under the COVID emergency. Now they're legal, provided they meet certain requirements, mostly being safely ensconced in a government building and observable. Generally, there will be one ballot drop box at each early-voting site. Drop boxes must be processed by two people.
It does away with signature matching for disallowing absentee votes (it replaces with matching the ID provided). This should be a help for people who's signatures suffer due to medical issues (parkinsons, arthritis...).
It requires local election officials to monitor line lengths and duration of standing in line and requires changes to reduce both. Precincts with more than 2000 voters must hire additional staff or be split up. Also, at least one voting machine per 250 voters is required in each precinct. Metrics are going to be used used and the SecOfState is required to act (vs at discretion in old law).
It requires elections officials to send a registration card to anyone who requested an absentee ballot when not already registered. It requires provisional ballots in a number of circumstances when there were previously votes simply disallowed.
It sets up a hotline for people to report voter intimidation and other illegal election activities (like electioneering).
It allows elections officials to begin vetting ballots when they are received) but not counting them.
It requires precincts to post the number of ballots cast in person early and on election day and absentee by 10PM on election day, providing the upper limit before counting votes begins. It also requires precincts to count non-stop and observable to monitors, with results required by 5PM the day after election day.
It DOES cut the absentee request from 180 days (6 months!) to 11 weeks (78 days). It DOES require an approved ID to request an absentee ballot. It DOES prohibit 3rd parties from printing and distributing absentee ballots and/or requests. It DOES require that absentee ballots be printed on security paper. It DOES prohibit local election boards from receiving "grants" from 3rd parties (except that such donations can now be made to the state and disbursed). It DOES shorten the runoff campaign period (when one is needed) from 9 weeks to 4 weeks.
Dam those racist and voter suppressing republicans! (sarcasm)
"suggesting that our default setting should be to doubt the system."
Sounds like a reasonable operating assumption to me!
Biden's approval numbers are dropping as fast as deuces are in his diapers. And they both stink.
C'mon man, it depends on where you're pudding the emphasis.
Sounds like a smear campaign.
Can't put lipstick on the pig that is the
Obama IIIBiden administration.Don’t try to Brownshirt this
Not more shitty puns!?!?
We only do key puns on this.
But we are on a streak.
Time to flush this thread.
That’s a bunch of crap
How is it dangerous to be skeptical of local election integrity and be vigilant about it?
It's not like there isn't election corruption that happens all over the country all the fucking time. This is not a fantasy. It happens. What's wrong with acknowledging that and keeping it in mind?
Elections laws are decided at the state levels not federal. Also, he is only saying it because he didn't get his way. Notice Democrats don't talk about votes showing up at 3 am in a trunk. The changes to the law will make election integrity weaker not stronger.
They point to voter suppression but don't have any examples. Let's look at Texas. Delaware has stronger laws then Texas. You only hear about laws in Red states.
Finally, these are the same people that want you to show a Covid card everywhere but no show ID to vote.
There is nothing wrong with that. The stupid and dangerous part is the president prepping all of his supporters to cry foul when they lose in the next election. Even though the 2020 election that they claim was totally legit and anyone saying otherwise is a evil monster was conducted under the same rules.
It is on youtube; you can get kicked off the platform these days for questioning the integrity of a US election.
The democrats were questioning the 2020 election in 2019.
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/25/744587413/threats-to-u-s-elections-arent-going-away-what-have-the-2020-democrats-proposed
The standard that gets applied to elections by the writers here is ass backwards.
It is not beholden upon the people to prove fraud, it is the government that is beholden to prove the election was conducted legally.
Biden and his handlers know his election was not legitimate according to the standards set by multiple states, he just admitted it. His solution is for the Federal government to assume authority over it in order to ensure that those standards never get enforced ever again.
You mean he forgot that we are pretending that questioning election results is a normal part of politics? Damn him for not remembering the current narrative. How dare he force you to acknowledge that your concerns about the former presidents statements were purely hyperbolic theatre to justify your personal hatred.
Don't worry, there will be a new narrative any moment now that will soothe your feelings and let you continue to live without introspection.
I'm getting whiplash keeping up with the Truth these days.
^^^ this
The lack of critical thought applied to the bullshit spewing from American media is staggering. 40% of the nation simply nods along to the latest nonsense because they heard it on the morning show, the radio in the car, their favorite sitcom and chat show in the same week.
When I was young and naive I thought only totalitarian states could program their citizenry with carefully constructed narratives. I was wrong. It happens 24/7 in the United States.
Dems after Nov 4, 2020 - Questioning elections is treason!
Biden today - I'm not sure the upcoming elections will be legitimate!
Seriously Boehm, you voted for this. This is better than Trump?
It's not a recent trend. Democrats thought GWB was illegitimate, and then they literally thought Russians hacked the voting machines to get Trump elected.
Trump might have claimed there was fraud, but let's not overlook the bragging Democrats did about "fortifying" the election
Remember, "DIEBOLD!" after the 2004 result in Ohio? Keith Olbermann spent like three years chasing that car around.
Don't forget Dominion Voting Systems bought the Diebold technology.
In 2016 Trump claimed the election was rigged and subsequently investigated his own election and everyone called him stupid for doing it. HRC switched from 'the election was legitimate' to 'Russians stole the election' and back like 3 times in 2 mos.
"inarticulate remark "
is that what we are calling Brandon's incoherent, senile, babbling?
Speaking of "stupid", the author ignores continuing bullshit like this:
"Republican lawmakers this holiday season are unwrapping a rare and valuable gift: congressional seats for life.
Thanks to a breathtaking abuse of redistricting in GOP-controlled states, all but an unlucky handful of members of Congress will henceforth be exempt from listening to those god-awful whiners called “voters,” spared those bothersome contests known as “elections” and protected from other disagreeable requirements of “democracy.”
This year Republicans have managed to take fully 40 percent of competitive House seats out of play. All but about 25 seats of the 435 in the entire country will be insulated from the will of voters even during wave elections — not just for 2022, but for a decade.
The move might limit Republicans’ upside in next year’s midterms (they had to toss Democrats a few more safe seats to shore up their own), but it could also keep them in the majority for years, even if the national popular vote goes consistently against them. Already, Republicans could lose the popular vote by two or three percentage points and still control the House.
The changes guarantee more extremism in Congress (the only competitive elections will be primaries, which on the GOP side favor the far right), and whichever party is in control will have a slim, ungovernable majority.
The worst offender is Texas, where President Biden got nearly 47 percent of the vote in 2020 and Democratic Senate candidate Beto O’Rourke got more than 48 percent in 2018. Republicans redrew maps to give themselves both of Texas’s new congressional seats (even though most of the population growth was in Democratic-leaning communities of color), and they reduced the number of competitive House seats from six to one.
Democrats get nearly half the popular vote in Texas, but they can expect just a third of the House seats (13 of the 38). In order to get above 37 percent of the seats (that is, more than 14 seats), they would have to win an inconceivable 58 percent of the statewide popular vote. Republicans “have rendered elections meaningless, basically,” Michael Li, senior counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice, a voting rights group, tells me. And “it’s all at the expense of communities of color.”
Dave Wasserman, redistricting maven with the nonpartisan Cook Political Report, forecasts a 30 percent to 40 percent decline in competitive House races from the 51 there were in 2020. Using slightly different measures, the National Democratic Redistricting Committee (NDRC), formed by former attorney general Eric Holder, calculates that 15 of 38 competitive seats from the 2020 election (meaning those decided by 5 percentage points or fewer) have already been redrawn as safe seats.
In addition to Texas, other redistricting abusers include North Carolina, where Biden got 48.6 percent of the vote but Republicans are attempting to control 11 of the state’s 14 House seats; and Ohio, where Biden got 45.2 percent of the vote but Republicans aim to control 13 of 15 congressional seats. Red states are similarly using redistricting to achieve supermajorities in state legislatures.
Democratic states have abuses, too (Donald Trump got 32 percent of the vote in Massachusetts, which has no Republicans in its 9-member House delegation), but Democrat-run states generally leave redistricting to bipartisan commissions, to produce fairer results.
“That has left Democrats playing with one hand tied behind their back,” Wasserman tells me. He calculates that such commissions cost Democrats 10 House seats they could have had if Democratic partisans instead seized the map-drawing in California, New Jersey, Washington, Colorado and Virginia. Were Democrats to practice the extreme measures Republicans have used, they could conceivably eliminate all but three GOP House seats in California (from the current 11) and all but three in New York (from the current eight).
Marc Elias, a Democratic elections lawyer who is fighting several of the new maps, says the bipartisan commissions were sabotaged by pro-Trump Republicans who refused to negotiate. “Never entrust democracy to any process that requires Republicans to act in good faith,” he has concluded, noting that such commissions in Virginia and Connecticut couldn’t even produce maps.
Democrats might be tempted to imitate the Republicans’ extreme methods — but that would only confirm democracy’s demise. Kelly Burton, president of the NDRC, says it is “taking every tool in our toolbox to prevent them from annihilating the battlefield.”
But will it be enough? The Senate, formed when the nation’s urban population was 5 percent (now it’s over 80 percent), inherently gives lopsided power to rural, Republican states. The ferociously partisan Roberts Court has blessed gerrymandering and gutted enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, setting up a House Republican majority immune from the vicissitudes of the voters.
January’s coup failed. Twelve months later, democracy’s death spiral continues."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/23/republican-redistricting-gerrymandering-congress-seats/
Speaking of stupid, here's Joe!
Even worse: it's Dana Millbank.
Democrat-run states generally leave redistricting to bipartisan commissions, to produce fairer results.
Derp.
Double derp: https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-partisan-redistricting-meltdown-virginia-independent-commission-11633990887
Yeah, that's some weapons-grade derp right there.
40% of the vote in my state went to Trump but 83% Congressmen and BOTH Senators are Democrats! It's an outrage, I tells you!
*at least 40%
He likes protecting the other stupid pants-shitting Joe.
EVIL REPUBLICANSES! DEMOCRATSES NO DO JARRYMINDER!
Do you have an opinion on whether gerrymandering is bad, or are you mostly interested in defending Republican politicians from criticism?
Gerrymandering is an unavoidable evil, and Dana Millbank is an idiot that also happens to be a partisan stooge.
Gerrymandering was actually named for Elbridge Gerry (D - MA), who created a district so customized as to look like a salamander.
The truth is that any party, given the opportunity, will do it. Singling it out as a problem of one party is pretty much a con to allow the other party to gain power and do it.
Nice dodge, Tones!
Gerrymandering returns some of the power back to the states that they lost with the 17A, and it creates a certain degree of long term stability. Both of those are good things.
Shorter Joe: Please stop talking about Joe Biden, the president of the US and current idiot trying to undermine elections. Can we please, Please change the subject? PLEASE?
^this
CBS is now calling him " Mr. Biden" ( tonites news)
Thats BAD....
And you don't think Democrats do the exact same thing when they can? I'm all for some real redistricting reform. But they don't really want that. They just want to take the advantage where they can and paint their opponents as monsters when they do the same thing. That's how politics works now, apparently.
Now do Democrat-controlled states like Maryland, Illinois, and Massachusetts. And this: "Democratic states have abuses, too (Donald Trump got 32 percent of the vote in Massachusetts, which has no Republicans in its 9-member House delegation), but Democrat-run states generally leave redistricting to bipartisan commissions, to produce fairer results." That's a neat trick, using a select group of Republican states to prove the point, but instead of focusing on specific states (like the heavily gerrymandered states I mentioned at the start), only discussing what Democrat states do "generally." Nice try, but no dice.
Damn, I thought they still had a republican or two in there. But looks like they haven't since 1997.
New Mexico just gerrymandered its lone Republican and solidified its current massive Dem majority this past year, after its Democrat Speaker of the House blatantly came out and said they were going to marginalize Republican voters.
Haha - Democrat-run states generally leave redistricting to bipartisan commissions, to produce fairer results.
Good one. I love that your facts are an Washington Post Opinion article
Don't forget Maryland and the Democratic Party. Some of the worst gerrymandering in the country.
Any group that could fix that would be Hogan’s heroes.
I'm glad Republicans are finally learning from what Democrats have been doing for decades.
I don't vote anymore out of principle, but if I did, it would make no difference; the Democrats in this state have made sure that the 45% of Republican voters have no voice.
Gosh, the still have to work a bit harder to catch up with Democrats, don't they.
In order to pass legislation, it must be approved by a body with proportional representation AND a body representing the states. That's so that urban majorities can't enact a dictatorship and walk all over minorities. Minority protection is an essential part of liberal democracies.
What you want is a dictatorship of the majority; socialist countries have that. That's why they don't have anything like the US Senate.
Dude, the US Senate is not determined by state districting so your complaint is moot. As it is, the 50 GOP US Senators represent 41 million less voters than their Democratic colleagues, and it's been that way since 1996, the last time GOP Senators represented a majority of US voters, and then briefly and by a hair.
PS I feel your pain in your state and I join you in advocating for fair representation, by court review or non-partisan commission. As a voter and in the interests of democracy, your vote should have equal weight as all others in choosing US House and state legislative members.
Fair representation isn’t going to matter given the destructive, socialist mindset of Democrats. They are going to keep destroying the economy, the social fabric, savings, education, and initiative because that is how they get and keep power. They would win even if they didn’t flood the country with third world revolutionaries and peasants and didn’t use racism to divide people.
This country is going to turn into a full majoritarian democracy, just like every other socialist dictatorship in history.
And you know what? This is what you voted for and you people don’t deserve any better. A few decades of poverty and misery may bring some sense back to Americans. And hopefully some other nations will pick up the torch of liberty and reap the benefits.
You truly are deplorable, Joe.
“Dude”, obviously I wasn’t just talking about redistricting. Our Democratic senators simply behave like socialist dictators; they just don’t give a f*ck that they are supposed to represent the entire state.
That’s at the root of the problem: the fact that Democrats are trying to turn this country into a single party socialist state, by any means possible.
Apparently, you are incapable of thinking of politics in any other way. With that mindset you a perfect minion for the left.
NYOB2, given that your responses have nothing to do with anything I've said, or reality, I won't ask you to explain your unhinged accusations. What would be the point. I still hope your state achieves fair redistricting and I hope that eventually we get a federal standard for US House seats which requires that.
Illinois was scheduled to lose two Congressional seats this year, and its partisan redistricting committee made sure they would both be Republican. Including the luckless Kinzinger. No good deed goes unpunished. And Jesus' seat is secure.
Completely partisan response of this site's MAGA majority not surprising. This is not surprising as any pretense to a principle, libertarian or otherwise, is always lacking here. Those of us interested in good citizenship - not preserving partisan hegemony - should advocate for fair redistricting, court enforced or by non-partisan commissions, and as to what Democrats are doing - as opposed to what they did - they are the only states having theirs done by the latter. On the former, guided by a voter approved amendment of several years ago, the GOP controlled state legislature is currently moving their plan with little disagreement from democrats in a largely fair plan. So, it is possible and we should agree regardless of party - if any - that a democracy (and yes were a representative democracy) should represent voters.
Should have said "the GOP controlled FLORIDA state legislature"
You’re not interested in good citizenship. You are interested in majoritarian democracy, the hallmark of a “dictatorship of the proletariat”.
As for “representative democracy”, that don’t mean proportional representation, it means deliberation and compromise, something Democrats have proven to be incapable of. Many Democratic senators represent moderate states with nearly half of Republicans in them, but they vote for every radical, destructive leftist legislation in lockstep. That is what is killing this country.
Oh yeah, that takes the politics right out of it.
There's a whopping ten states redistricted by commission, one red (ID), one lean red (AZ), one swing (MI), two lean blue (VA, CO), and five blue (NJ, NY, CA, WA, HI). Of these, two commissions fundamentally don't matter because the states are too small and homogeneous (HI, ID), two have commissions that have utterly failed and degenerated into normal politics (VA, NY; see link upthread), and most of the rest are pretty hopelessly gerrymandered anyway (NJ, CA, AZ, CO, most of the proposed WA maps). Only MI seems to have drawn up a competitive environment, but they're also a competitive state. So - congrats?
Commissions are not the answer - it's CYA from the usual suspects. The only way to blunt this as an issue would be through some kind of constitutional amendment tying the legislatures hands by mandating things like contiguity, adherence to municipal/county boundaries, etc but even then you're still not going to get politics out of the process.
It's a FPTP system: if we want more competitive districts, then the parties need to get better candidates and find some way to appeal more broadly.
"The increase and the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these…reforms passed."
Biden was completely right; if they don't manage to get their voting bills passed, fortifying the vote will continue to be illegal.
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On its own, that soundbite is clearly quite bad. If Biden's view is that American elections should not be trusted until Congress makes some changes, then he's staking out a position that could be used to undermine trust in any future election that occurs under the current rules.
Uhh... and he's staking out a position that would suggest all previous elections were mighty fishy as well.
Except for 2020, of course.
Or maybe two can play this game. May the better educated team win.
Careful what you wish for.
The leader of your team was a plagiarist at school.
But he is well spoken.
“Yhdr kaisbn dsrt cvwwkxn alcnxh.” - President Biden
Gotta love the 'ol smart guys schtick from the resident retard.
Well, when you put it like that, he sounds in-consonant. (He really needs more regular vowel movements)
We're just going to ignore that Democrats started getting belligerent about the process right when Republicans got good at it.
Right when Republicans started having the control of the majority of state legislature's. Anti-gerrymandering reforms were borderline racist back in nineties.
Go ahead and invalidate the government: the smart play.
"Some of the smartest people I know have Master's Degrees... ALL of the dumbest people I know have Master's degrees."
Depends on the degree. Engineering and MBA's..usually smart..liberal arts/social science..usually not so smart. Education...def not smart
I know of one absolute imbecile who has a Nobel prize.
-jcr
Our team can recognize the biological reality of sex.
So, we probably win.
Doctorates in gender and queer theory is of virtually no benefit.
Truth be told, 85+% of college degrees are of little benefit compared to on the job training or vocational schooling. Higher education is a scheme that suckers people in, and gets them in position for predatory loans.
Given my youngest finished her BS in Business last May and is working in retail..you are correct. Engineering/Computer Science and mabye Business are majors that might pay off. Rest no way (and that includes perhaps the most unfair of all BS majors..those in hard physical sciences like physics and chemistry...which should be viewed same as engineering but they are not and the grads become low end "lab techs" at best). If you want a tech major go engineering or computer science NOT physics or chem or geo or bio for that matter.) I learned the hard way on that one.
How are those Art History grads doing down at the Starbucks?
The coffee still sucks, so not too good.
I prefer Black Rifle myself.
Funny how different the tone at Reason is when no shit totalitarians question legitimacy of elections.
Leftism uber alles!
The Democrat's "reforms" are attempting to unconstitutionally put election management under federal control. That is what Biden's hysterical rhetoric is in support of. That is the dangerous part, accepting undermining federalism for federal bureaucratic oversight which the Democrats do not think they are going to lose functional control of.
"what he seemed to say" You mean said. Geez Boehm can't even type the truth. The video is right there. They are his words.
You also missed that Biden said 48 Senators do exactly what he tells them.
“In 2020, a record number of voters turned out in the face of a pandemic, and election officials made sure they could vote and have those votes counted.”
So why is it we need to change the election laws?
Because they need election officials to make sure people could vote and have their votes counted again.
And again. If necessary.
ROFL "....there is no equivalence to be drawn here..." Tell me you've got Trump derangement syndrome without telling me you've got Trump derangement syndrome.
I hate Trump. He was a horrible president. I didn't vote for him either time, and I will not vote for him in the future. I do not believe the 2020 election was rigged against him. HOWEVER: What Biden is doing now is EXACTLY THE SAME as what Donald Trump did in the lead-up to the 2020 election. He is attempting to cast doubt on the system before an election he is sure to lose so that when he loses he can attempt to undermine the results. Whether this trend continues--whether he will continue to mirror Trump's actions when his party loses--remains to be seen, but, by calling the legitimacy of the results into question before the election even happens, he is doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING that Trump did at this stage of the 2020 election. Your attempt to villainize Trump while shielding Biden from the absolute hypocrisy of his words and actions is laughable.
^ What this guy said-- 100% of it.
Nope. TDS-addled adolescent asshole; no more, no less.
"...He was a horrible president..."
Which of his policies cause you to lie like that. TDS-addled asshole?
"casting doubt on the legitimacy of the election is a highly charged statement to make, and such language should be reserved for a system that is so repressive"
Well he's casting doubt on the legitimacy of a future election because Republicans are changing laws with the intent to suppress voting. That's real. It's actually happening. They'll be fewer days to vote, fewer places to vote at, longer lines, fewer opportunities to register to vote. Republicans criminalized voter registration with bs new restrictions designed to gum up voter registration. Republicans gerrymandered the place so fucking completly ten years ago that they're having a hard time squeezing anymore cheating out of it but unfortunately they have found some opportunities to rig the map even more. The same insane Republicans who tried to overturn the 2020 presidential result are still there even more determined, delusional and capable. The Republicans believe the state legislatures can just decide who wins no matter the result. Based on how crazy and radical Republicans have become it's very reasonable to question or wonder about the legitimacy of the future elections.
What you say is not true across the board. Generally, the laws are setup to make voting more equal. So, the poor rural counties are required to have more early voting and have polls be open longer than they were before. Whereas, yes, the wealthier urban counties are not allowed to waste their money on staffing polls at 3AM. The urban counties still have more convenient voting than poor counties, but things are a bit closer to equal now.
>>That's real. It's actually happening.
lol Time Magazine on line 2...
Sullum, you are so full of shit. You only saving grace is that you rejected voting for that shithead Biden. And that frankly is not too much to save your sorry ass.
For months, Sullum wrote 2 articles/day spouting nothing but agitprop to cover up the blatantly unconstitutional and obviously suspicious 2020 election.
He deserves to hang.
"Well he's casting doubt on the legitimacy of a future election because Republicans are changing laws with the intent to suppress voting."
Can you define the laws they are CHANGING?
Sir strudel’s only skill is making up partisan bullshit.
No, it's not. That's just a fact.
And repeating this lie over and over again doesn't make it real.
Republicans are changing laws with the intent to suppress voting. That's real. It's actually happening.
"Everyone should get $5M and 5M votes per hour. Everything else is wage slavery and vote suppression!" - Sullum
Better question. Is Joe Biden a Mensa candidate or an Alzheimer's patient?
It is dangerous in the same way that gravity is dangerous to planes. Obviously you won't have as many crashes without gravity, but it is stupid for aeronautical engineers to complain about it. It is what you sign up for when you design airplanes and when you run a free democracy, you are signing up for people expressing a litany of complaints, whether fair or absurd.
There does not seem to be anything fundamentally more dangerous about questioning the legitimacy of an election than in claiming that cops shoot sleeping black women in their homes without accountability, that Bush was a war criminal, that Justice Kavanagh would lead to handmaid's tale, that climate change would kill us all, and whole host of other incendiary complaints egged on by politicians (and the stuff too crazy for even the politicians gets you into even more "fun" stuff like 9/11 is an inside job, the government is putting chemicals into the water, etc.).
The police were caught flat footed, because conservative aligned protests don't result in violence if counter protesters don't show up trying to shut it down. The police unfortunately miscalculated in two ways: 1) as the populist wing of the conservatives started growing, it became increasingly likely that stupidity would break out on the right, just as the populists on the left have spent the last several decades making a mess of their protests, and 2) as all the cities where one might protest are run by Democrats, conservative protests are never treated with the kid gloves that liberal protests get in the name of "not escalating the situation". Guess what? When you don't have crowd control, crowds go out of control! But when you have sufficient crowd control, everyone goes home "happy" (I mean, as happy as anyone can get when the protesters don't get what they want just because they waved some signs and yelled for a few hours, and the locals have to deal with traffic, detours, and litter left behind).
Underlying this whole debate, I am really disturbed by the focus on the reason the rioters were there. Even if the rioters' beliefs were correct, it wouldn't justify punching cops who are just there doing their job and trying to maintain order. Whether or not the election claim is a lie (personally, I believe that Trump's behavior is more consistent that he honestly believes that the election was stolen, but, whatever), honestly doesn't much matter. Congress has a justifiably bad approval rating. Next time people are pissed off at a vote of Congress, it very well might be based on reality. Doesn't change that you are not allowed to riot in the Capitol building (or anywhere else, for that matter).
The police were caught flat footed, because conservative aligned protests don't result in violence if counter protesters don't show up trying to shut it down.
Very good point.
I'd also note that throughout 2020 (and even before), Leftist street violence was openly tolerated by local governments who gave police stand down orders and dropped charged against arrested looters and arsonists. And not only that, the rioters were rewarded by corporate America who lavished million$ of dollar$ on Leftwing activist groups.
Rather foolishly, Rightists on 6 January 2021 thought they could get away with a similar level of street mayhem. They got a quick lesson in the double standards by which the regime operates.
This is something which libertarians need to consider for the future when they engage in street protests. Or amble about DC.
What street mayhem?
I wasn't aware that the mostly peaceful protestors on Jan. 6 set any fires, looted any stores or attempted to burn down a church. Let alone set fire to police cars .
Multiple police officers were assaulted. Yes, it was more peaceful than the "mostly peaceful" protests over the summer. But, it was still unacceptable and uncharacteristic of a side that is usually more sympathetic to "blue lives matter".
I can't think of a more un-American sentiment than what you've expressed.
"Assaulting cops is unacceptable" is un-American?
"Resistance to illegitimate, tyrannical government is unacceptable"
WHered you get a copy of CBS News SCRIPT from?
Thats their Trump Haters talking points.
In what way did what I say correlate at all with the Trump haters? The Trump haters are trying to make this into some uniquely terrible event only brought on by Trump's "big lie". I'm saying that people are always pissed off at Congress for one reason or another, and that Jan 6 wasn't interesting because of the reason people were pissed off, it is interesting because the police didn't deploy proper crowd control measures to prevent a riot.
Dave is, or should be, an embarrassment to his family, unless they are yet more stupid than Dave.
Dave: STFU or grow up.
Feeble, corrupt, and stupid are no way to go through life, Joe.
Delta virus?
Yet, 40+ years later, his career is still going. This says more than enough about what needs to be changed in DC.
At a minimum, a pair of diapers.
And probably the bed sheets.
It's all shit.
Not as dangerous nor stupid as pushing the Russian collusion bullshit.
When historians look back at 2016-2018 in the future, how does impeaching a President on party-line votes for "obstructing" the investigation into claims that it turns out were largely fabricated by PR operatives working for the impeaching party's candidate not look like an attempted coup?
Not to mention what'll be made of the use of Intel agencies to conduct secret surveilience of the top staff of the non-incumbent party's campaign, justified using the same fabricated "evidence".
Pretending that the Mueller investigation was validated by indicting Manafort and Flynn based on evidence that was entirely available prior to the launch of the probe on charges that had nothing at all to do with the election might hold up in real time when pushed by a nakedly partisan media, but the view from any amount of distance leads to a considerably different conclusion.
I could see future history deciding there was an "existential threat" to the integrity of the US Republic present in 2016, but I'm skeptical that an objective observer would conclude it originated with or around the guy with the bad haircut and spray-on skin tone.
History is written by the winners, and makes no mistake, progressives and socialists are winning.
Bidets colluding with Russia now. He told them to invade.
Biden got way ahead of the script on that one.
the truly stupid and dangerous are the ones who voted Brandon.
Of course, nothing that Biden or Abrams or any other Democrat has said or done comes close to what Trump and his allies attempted to do in the wake of the 2020 election. There is a wide gulf between Biden's inarticulate ruminations and Trump's actual attempts to pressure election officials to alter results, have state lawmakers submit alternative slates of electors, and ultimately subvert the Electoral College. There is no equivalence to be drawn there.
This is true. There is no equivalence.
The left installed a man who did not even campaign along with a woman who was out of the running before the first primary in as moron figureheads.
There WAS an insurrection on January 6th and Trump and the protesters failed to stop it. And the country has been circling the drain ever since.
And only an insane person believes otherwise.
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Lying tonite? Desperate to deflect criticisms on Biden being such a FAILURE that his OWN PARTY want him out at ONE YEAR?
Pathetic Butt Hurt Troll.
The TDS is strong with you.
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Biden claims that the legitimacy of elections is threatened by the lack of his party's changes to the voting rules (which will co-incidentally help their own party in their figuring).
The GOP claims that Voter ID laws (their changes to the voting rules) are needed to prevent fraudulent voting that's threatening the legitimacy of elections.
How is it that only one of these claims amounts to "sedition" or some kind of partisan "power grab"? How is it that these two claims are at all different in their fundamental nature?
Sadly though, how else would one oppose the kind of "election reform" nonsense in places s.a. GA where the legislature gave themselves to right to delegitimize results just because a partisan group of legislators didn't like the results. You must remember that "state's rights" is what gave us Jim Crow in the first place. At the very least, we should try to mitigate the effects of gerrymandering. Sophisticated computer modeling today allows politicians to pick their voters when it should be the other way around. Partisan bodies should not be delegated with setting the rules for how they are selected. The process should be as non-partisan as possible. The two major political parties are sending this country's politics down a "black hole" & it is questionable whether or not it is too late to save our democracy.
Well, there's another possible explanation why Biden said what he said, and it has to be put in the context of what other Democrats and radical activists have also been saying: Given that they know they will lose big in 2022, the Dems have decided to make the question of legitimacy the centerpoint of the election. Apparently they believe that as long as they keep their thugs out of the Capitol building, any actions up to the front door won't be misconstrued as an "insurrection."
"Were Biden's Election Legitimacy Remarks Dangerous or Just Stupid?"
As dangerous as the formerly conservative minority party turned aggressive authoritarian cult feverishly working the angles to cement its dominance?
More media-created nonsense. Why did the reporter ask this question other than to put Biden in a no-win situation. If he says they won't be legitimate we get articles like this. If he says they will be legitimate no doubt journos would ask, "then why do you need voting bills?"
It's also a case where because modern journalists scoff at nuance politicians wade into dangerous territory every time they open their mouth. Take a stab at nuance and you get slammed. No nuance - then you are being evasive. Any reasonable person can discuss the upcoming elections and describe problems with voting. Voter suppression, purges, long lines and so on. Does that mean they will or will not be "legitimate"? What does that even mean? How are you supposed to answer that question without smarty-pants reporters critiquing it?
This is another example of journalists writing down crap in order to meet a deadline and add to their resume. Click-driven drivel for the soules career-climbers.
"...Why did the reporter ask this question other than to put Biden in a no-win situation..."
This steaming pile of lefty shit really doesn't want anyone asking difficult questions of droolin' Joe.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Stick to Ephesus, dimwit. The question was asked for clarification, and asking questions is part of a journalists job, particularly when a poor leader says something that implies future elections would not be legitimate. It is no one's fault but biden's that he only made things worse by being his typical stupid self when answering. Further, an article is not crap because it doesn't align to your biases.
Yeah, sure. As if senile Joe had said any of that rather than drool, stutter and mumble something or other.
We all know perfectly well that everyone who doubts the legitimacy of the 2020 election only believes what they want to believe as encouraged by the pols and journos who are marketing to Trump's deluded followers.
It's also quite clear that Biden was clumsily referring to the very real concerns of many Americans, given recent attempts to turn back general enfranchisement. His remarks will only cast doubt on elections to the extent yellow journalists want them to, journalists who conveniently ignore the far worse damage done by Trump and his essentially treasonous refusal to concede defeat without cause.
In my state, I was really surprised to discover that poll workers during the 2020 election were forbidden by law from asking for any form of identification. The democrats who eased that rule through are now working towards making signature checks on absentee ballots just as illegal.
Nobody really believes that such actions are about anything except making it super easy to cheat.
The "voting rights bill" makes it even easier to do, and puts barriers in place to make it harder to detect cheating.
The sheer amount of gall it takes to work to pass these laws while calling anyone who disagrees "treasonous", is pretty impressive.
You are deluded if you think that US elections are free, fair, and accurate; they have never been, and the introduction of technology has made things worse. That has nothing to do with Trump; maybe you are too young to remember Gore v. Bush.
You're with Goebbels, aren't you: if you repeat a lie often enough, people may start believing it?
No, Americans are not concerned about "disenfranchisement". Americans are concerned about elections taking place in an orderly fashion, guaranteeing that people vote only once, that they aren't manipulated, and that they show ID.
The US should perhaps look to Puerto Rico for an example of how to do better than it is; otherwise, it can also look to places like Germany and Switzerland.
At least you got your name right.
Anyone who oromoted, supported, or excused the Russian collusion myth has no credibility defending the legitimacy of the 2020 election.
Did anyone really not see this coming?
What do you think the point was, anyway, if not an excuse for why future election outcomes are invalid?
For all Trump’s foibles, at least he didn’t make pre-crime accusations.
Not bad for someone who graduated at the bottom of the class in law school. Or proved to be less than mediocre as a congressman. Or even worse as V.P.
However in order for the Commucrats to retain power and thus ensure their enemies are sent to the gulags for CRT re-education and to make sure no one is afforded the right to travel freely, that is without a vaxx passport, lest they find themselves in one of the re-education gulags, the Comms have figured a new twist on the theme of crooked elections: complain that the next one might actually be legitimate.
No one is more dangerous to freedom and liberty that those who believe they are torturing you for your own good and they believe it out of the conviction of their own conscience.
Biden's remarks may only be the results of what remains of any stale brain synapses misfiring or he could simply be reading from a prepared script written for him by his comrades in the administration. Difficult to tell at this point.
The results are not so funny when you think about it. What is funny is the desperation and downright panic the Dems are now feeling, so much so, they are ready to commit political suicide.
'In America, even a dishonest, boastful, talent-free moron can look forward to a career in politics.'
"I'm not going to say it's going to be legit"
He merely meant that he's not sure at this point if they can allow a legit election. We'll have to closer to election day for the party to determine if and how much they need to cheat.
Dangerous or just stupid? In Biden's case (and in most things involving Slow Joe) embrace the healing power of "and".
This article is deeply ironic. In fact, since Supreme Court Republicans threw out most of MLK's legacy in 2013, the USA has plummeted down the ranks of the world's democracies as Republicans have partied like it's 1899 with soaring voting rights abuses reminiscent of the worst of the lynching era. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-democracy-ranking/
Happy MLK week, Confederates
shove your Snopes up your Hinney.
Jefferson Davis, Confederate and Democrat, thanks you for your allegiance.
I wish it actually had. Unfortunately, the US is becoming as corrupt and socialist as the rest of the "world's democracies".
Go to hell you effing racist and socialist.
I never trust anyone with two last names.
His cousin Eddie, is much funnier.
CBS now hates Biden as much as Trump.
Hes now " Mr.Biden."
HAHAHAHAHA
They were crowing about a historic low unemployment rate.
Thats NEW CLAIMS, not total employment and thats NOT GOOD bc it means Bidens covid shutdowns have finished putting most of the country out of work, so theres no one left TO be unemployed.
This is replaying Ibama Obiden 2011 throwing unemployed people under the bus to make themselves look good.
Assholes.
FUCK JOE BIDEN
The left is still being extremely gentle with Biden, and still reporting half truths from the election conflict reporting wrt the still worst of all time Bad Orange Man. The investigations are ongoing and there are a lot of irregularities being found and called out.
Democrats Warn That Republicans Plan To Steal Election By Blocking Democrat Efforts To Steal Election
Seriously, though: US elections are a joke and have been since pretty much forever; they aren't auditable, they aren't properly monitored, violations of voting laws are largely not prosecuted, there is no proper chain of custody, hardware/software is a joke, and a handful of corrupt officials can swing an entire election. Democrats want to corrupt it a bit further, but it hardly makes any difference at this point.
The real problem is and remains that government, in particular the federal government, has become too powerful. That means that any election now becomes a fight to the death.
Also: go to hell, Boehm, with your smarmy catering to establishment fictions about US democracy and your utter ignorance about election security.
I trust all politicians to do what's in their self-interest first and foremost. Therefore, the D's want reform that gives them an edge. I don't care. Let them have it. Let the US Empire be one party? IT ALREADY IS. There is no fundamental (significant) difference after looking at the evidence. Did Trump bring home the troops? Did he build the wall? No, and no. Did Obama keep one of his biggest promises, to close the unconstitutional prison in Cuba? No.
What the "Deep State" wants, it gets. The public be damned.
Joey is incompetent, dangerous, and stupid, just like his regime. Three years until President Trump returns. Trust we'll make it till then.
no dumber than little donny bone spur.... and he doesn't have the stink of whores and bankruptcy
You're certainly dumber than droolin' Joe and far, far more stupid than Trump, TDS-addled asshole.
What do you expect of someone, whose name is one of the most hated phrases in the English language?
Biden is dumb as a rock. Trump is no genius, but he's pretty clever.
Businesses fail and bankruptcy is a normal business process; it doesn't "stink".
Biden, on the other hand, has the stink of rape and sexual harassment hanging over him, the stink of never having done anything worthwhile in his life, the stink of war mongering and racism, and the massive stink of corruption and nepotism.
Moreover, while Trump was building buildings and running businesses, Biden was sucking continuously from the government teat.
Joe took one more student deferment than Trump, before that varsity football playing lifeguard claimed "childhood asthma" kept him from serving our country.
He ought to know.
Well put. Biden should absolutely know better, and the press should do more to force him to clear up his remarks.
An election is legitimate if not annulled by courts within the timeframe set ahead of election to file challenges. Simple bright-line rule that all should agree on.
An election is "legitimate" in the legal sense if the courts approve it.
In a rational sense, it is "legitimate" if it was carried out properly (US elections have never been).
In the political sense, it is "legitimate" if people believe it, and the majority of Americans has doubts about the integrity and legitimacy of US elections. Good for them, they aren't stupid.
If Biden said it, the first, and always correct, reaction is "That's just stupid." After that, anything along the same line is legitimate.
I'm with ...........WHEN DO WE GET TO USE OUR GUNS?
i m not with the others those who with the following statement.
An election is legitimate if not annulled by courts within the timeframe set ahead of election to file challenges. Simple bright-line rule that all should agree on.
An election is "legitimate" in the legal sense if the courts approve it.
In a rational sense, it is "legitimate" if it was carried out properly (US elections have never been).
In the political sense, it is "legitimate" if people believe it, and the majority of Americans has doubts about the integrity and legitimacy of US elections. Good for them, they aren't stupid.
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Both, one does not preclude the other.
This was just another I din't do nuff'n remrk to CYA the evidence already poised for court review when the R's dominate the House and Senate...That was a in your ear remark to Hosay to make the disclaimer before the indictments come out.....The left is so damn nervous they can't stay out of the loo for fear of messing the drawers.....They will again try the Cheat'em and Screw'em tactics to usurp this upcoming election, their ballot mailing and harvesting bill is doomed and they are a YuuuuuuuuGe! criminal target this time round.....Pendulums swing like pendulums do...this is to the right and the left is screwed.....AMERICA 1ST is a fact....
Biden's remarks are telling,
During the election:
Democratic nominee Joe Biden said his team has created "the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics" in a recent video.
"We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics," Biden said in the video.
Now:
At Wednesday's press conference, President Joe Biden was asked a simple question. It was this: "Speaking of voting rights legislation, if this isn't passed, do you still believe the upcoming election will be fairly conducted and its results will be legitimate?"
Then this:
While Psaki was talking about when she will resign from her job (she previously stated she would leave the job) she was quoted saying ‘I don’t know when I’m leaving. This is an honor and a privilege and I love working for President Obam-Biden,’.
The Democrats are liars, and cheaters. Reason backed them and cannot admit the truth, they were terrible wrong in doing so. Biden had divided the nation on race, sex and class. His polices are terrible on energy, the border, the economy and because of Biden war looms in Europe and Asia. Obama is in control, and eliminating any and all opposition and destroying the nation to rebuild as a what they see as a socialist paradise is the agenda.