Don't Ban Critical Race Theory. Legalize School Choice.
"It's the taxpayers that are funding this."

Glenn Youngkin recently was elected Virginia's governor partly because he promised to ban teaching of CRT.
CRT stands for critical race theory, which argues that every American institution upholds white supremacy.
Before Youngkin's surprise victory, the media mocked him for complaining about CRT.
NBC's Nicolle Wallace said it isn't even taught in public schools. "That is like us banning the ghosts!" she laughed.
She is wrong.
In my new video, journalist Asra Nomani reveals some rather creepy CRT lessons that are taught in many schools.
Nomani filed Freedom of Information Act requests that forced school districts to reveal how they pay consultants to spread critical race theory.
"We found 300-plus contracts," says Nomani. "Every day, I'm getting a new contract. For them to deny it is just part of their campaign."
A CNN guest, history teacher Keziah Ridgeway, admits that CRT influences how some teachers teach. "That's a good thing, right?" she says. "Because race and racism is literally the building blocks of this country."
Really? The building block?
No!
America does have a long, nasty history of racism. Some racism persists. But it's not the "building block."
"They want to look at all of society through issues of race," complains Nomani. That's "propaganda that's claiming our children."
"Claiming the children?" I push back. "That's exaggeration."
She pulled out some of the children's books that are now part of the curriculum at some schools.
Woke Baby teaches kids to be "a good revolutionary."
A Is for Activist reads like a union recruiting manual. "M is for 'Megaphones Marching.'…Hooray! It Must be May Day!"
Not My Idea calls "whiteness" a deal with the devil. It portrays a white person with a pointy tail and goat hooves and tells children that they sell their souls because "whiteness" gives them "stolen land" and "stolen riches."
The author, Anastasia Higginbotham, says, "I made a book for white children that encourages them to connect with their heartbreak about racism."
Nomani says, "Just imagine if a black child was to get a book that said 'blackness is a bad deal?'…Shame is used as a lever of control over people. It should not be done with children."
"America has a history of racism," I say.
"We have to confront it," she says. "But America does not have a monopoly on racism. I come from a nation of people of 'color,' and they are racist."
India, her home country, had a nasty caste system for thousands of years.
Slavery began in the Middle East. It thrived in Africa long before slaves were brought to America. Americans (along with Brits, the French, and Mexicans) actually helped end the practice.
But today American students think America invented slavery.
This is "state-sponsored indoctrination," says Nomani. "It is a bigotry that they are teaching….It's just so immoral. I am a brown Muslim woman, an immigrant in America. I know more freedoms in this country than I could in any Muslim country in the world."
"But they're not in a Muslim country," I point out. "They're in America, and there is still racism here."
"But to suggest that this is all of America is as racist and bigoted…as being racist and bigoted against people of color," she responds.
People need to care about this, says Nomani, "because it's the taxpayers that are funding this."
Some conservatives want to ban the teaching of CRT. That's not a good idea. Government shouldn't be banning ideas or taking choices away from teachers. Bans shield students from important topics.
A better solution is legalizing school choice.
Let parents take our tax money to a school we choose.
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People who want to wreck public schools -- mostly for the crimes of preferring reason to superstition, science to silly dogma, tolerance to old-timey bigotry, etc. -- are lousy people who hate modern America and deserve to be defeated and disdained by their betters in the American culture war.
Carry on, clingers. Your betters will let you know how far and how long, as usual.
"silly dogma, tolerance to old-timey bigotry"
Like CRT? I thought you were a fan of old-timey bigotry and silly dogmas like that.
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How about wrecking slack-jawed hicklibs and their cloven-hoofed spawn?
You know, I would agree with you, if any of your stated premises were true.....
"Don't Ban Critical Race Theory"
Treat CRT exactly like the descendent of Nazi and Klan racial theories it is.
We don't make Mein Kampf or the Turner Diaries illegal, but we also don't pay taxes for public schools to teach them to kids.
The most racist POTUS in history is against CRT, who would have guessed? His alzheimers ridden dad fought the police in a KKK rally. Racism is learned, no one is born racist. Conservatives are consequently using bans on CRT to eliminate subjects' students should be learning including slavery, Jim Crow Racism, voter suppression, and housing and school segregation because they are significant parts of American history.
How can you be a racist, and be against CRT, dbruce? The ideology is warmed over Nazi racial theories. If you support a racist ideology like that there's a 100% chance you're a racist.
Lie. He is the world's champion liar. The term “racist dog whistle” is not new. But President Trump may represent the perfection of “dog-whistle politics.” He said he never heard of David Duke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A00Zd-hfPQM
David Duke thanks him
Hey, I don't mind you and other white leftists hating yourselves for being born with white skin. But at least do the world a favor and kill yourselves for that original sin instead of demanding that every other white person live in the same heap of self-loathing misery that you do.
I for one, as a white man, am going to make fun of and laugh at progs, tell "inappropriate" jokes, culturally appropriate whatever the fuck I want, and do it with a smile on my face.
And I wont feel bad at all while my kids (who are also white) easily surpass all of those self loathing white progs socioeconomically because they spent their time self-flagellating and taking equity studies classes. All the while my kids studied crazy concepts like "math" and "chemistry"
https://summit.news/2020/08/24/white-supremacist-richard-spencer-endorses-joe-biden/
Tell me more.
And you apparently know nothing about history.
Lyndon Johnson?
“ Conservatives are consequently using bans on CRT to eliminate subjects' students should be learning including slavery, Jim Crow Racism, voter suppression, and housing and school segregation because they are significant parts of American history.”
Looks like someone doesn’t know what CRT is. Quick, someone call Twitter.
Abolish public schools.
Stossel is ok with both taxation and public schools? He's getting soft in his old age.
Governments not only have the right, but the obligation, to ban racially divisive that actively discriminates based on race. It is a violation of the 14th amendment. School choice is great and all, but as long as government schools exist (and they will continue to exist even with choice), these schools must be run well.
School choice is unlikely to ever become widely available. The entrenched powers will make sure of that.
So given that choice isn't a viable option, maybe exercising some oversight on the indoctrination centers is in order.
Long time ago I'm having a conversation with some progressive woman about school choice. She was all on board because the word "choice" to her meant abortion. So she thought I was talking about abortions in school. At some point she figured out that I meant allowing parents to have a say in where their kid goes to school, and she went ballistic. The idea that parents know better than government made her freak the fuck out, but children ending pregnancies at school without their parents' knowledge was totally cool.
I make an effort to try to understand points of view that I don't agree with, but I still can't get a grasp that woman's mentality.
Anyone else notice that 95% if sarcs comments are shit that didn't happen? Just made up stories?
I make an effort to try to understand points of view that I don't agree with,
Your mute list disagrees. You tend to just call them trump cultists and run away like a bitch.
By the way. So much criticism from you in the Biden filibuster thread. You were able to criticize the gop yet again and not one bad word towards biden or democrats. Good work.
*swats at the gnat*
Lol.
I make an effort to try to understand points of view that I don't agree with,
If it wasn't for lying sarc...
Hey gnat. Your point of view doesn't matter to me because by the time I'm done refuting your strawmen and ad hominems, the subject of the debate is forgotten. All your arguments are about me as a person, not what I say. I'm not interested. I don't care. You're a "wah wah wah" sound like on a Charlie Brown cartoon, except you're not an adult. You're a child who attacks people while ignoring what they say.
Please. Pretty please. With sugar on top. Fuck off.
Do you understand how stupid you are claiming to mute someone then making up a strawman argument about what they've said?
Do you understand you muting someone doesn't mute them for other users.
You literally created a strawman and then accused me of one despite me quoting your post lol.
You are such a failure.
By the way, your 4 comments in the biden filibuster were 2 attacks in conservatives and 2 strawman ad hominems. None critical about Biden or federal election takeovers. Lol.
Youre such a hypocrite and everyone has called you out on it.
By the way, learn what an ad hominem is. You accuse others constantly of logical fallacies but you don't even know what the fallacy definitions are per your usage.
Calling you an idiot isnt an ad hominem attack unless I'm using it to dismiss your argument. I didn't do that. I called you an idiot. Full stop. Lol.
The idea that parents know better than government made her freak the fuck out, but children ending pregnancies at school without their parents' knowledge was totally cool.
I make an effort to try to understand points of view that I don't agree with, but I still can't get a grasp that woman's mentality.
It's rooted in the marxist desire to attack families as the main influencers of children and replace them with state-run apparatuses. That's why you see leftists arguing that parents shouldn't have a say in what their kids are taught.
Case in point:
Calvin Quick (he/him)
@CalvinQuick01
Reminder that the primary “stakeholders” (ugh) in schools are not parents. The active participants in the formal education system are students and teachers.
The overrepresentation of parent voices in public discourse to the exclusion of students and teachers is actively harmful.
12:58 PM · Jan 11, 2022·
I understand people in power thinking that way, but normal parents? Can't make it compute.
Racial discrimination should never be taught with the use of public dollars. I have no problem if a private school wants to teach kids to segregate by race. It should not be done with tax money ever.
"Slavery began in the Middle East."
Slavery probably predates recorded history.
Know where it started is most likely impossible.
True, but two of the oldest known civilizations were Middle Eastern, so it would not be a bad inference.
At the same time, slavery isn't exactly rocket science and has probably been 'begun' independently, multiple times over, in various flavors, throughout history.
What does he think it means to "ban critical race theory"? This is in no way an imposition on academic freedom. It just means that, as long as people are taxed for a school system, that that school system not deliver at least this one kind of propaganda. It's a stab at some slight degree of reining in of government schooling as a tool of oppression.
In my new video, journalist Asra Nomani reveals some rather creepy CRT lessons that are taught in many schools.
Nomani filed Freedom of Information Act requests that forced school districts to reveal how they pay consultants to spread critical race theory.
"We found 300-plus contracts," says Nomani. "Every day, I'm getting a new contract. For them to deny it is just part of their campaign."
A CNN guest, history teacher Keziah Ridgeway, admits that CRT influences how some teachers teach. "That's a good thing, right?" she says. "Because race and racism is literally the building blocks of this country."
Man I was assued (gaslit) by all the lefty media outlets, daytime TV programs, and all the lefty posters here that CRT was definitely not being used in any way in schools. Thats funny we have another person with a huge list of examples.
And of course the natural transition (once caught, in their lie) to "well its happening but its good though!"
What. A. Fucking. Surprise.
Chemjeff any more no-true-scotsman arguments you want to throw out? Or is it time to retreat to the motte?
You might as well say, "Don't ban government-instituted prayer in government schools, legalize school choice instead." Or, "Don't ban government-selected student community service as a requirement of government schools,..."
Just because we're not on the verge of abolishing government schooling doesn't mean all possible required curricula are equally oppressive.
I wasn't aware that school choice was illegal. It certainly wasn't 40 years ago, when my parents sent my siblings and me to Catholic school: if they were willing to cough up the tuition, they could send us to whichever school they liked.
What Stossel wants, however, isn't just choice. He wants to create a giant state or Federal middle-class entitlement program so that parents don't have to take tuition into account.
We know from sad experience what happens with middle-class entitlement programs: they get bigger and bigger, and more and more expensive, as their beneficiaries are persuaded that they can have all manner of cool stuff, paid for by other people.
That's just what would happen with a general state or national voucher system. Remove local property-tax funding, and you remove most of the incentive to keep school spending in bounds. Under the current system, if I want little Bobby's school to have a domed football stadium and an Olympic-sized swimming pool, my property taxes will go up. But if they can be paid for with free money from Washington or from my state capital, I have every incentive to demand them.
If we want to level the playing field for private and public schools, why not require the latter to charge tuition, and to make up some specific fraction of their budget from it? That would put the public schools in fairer competition with the private ones, without saddling the taxpayer with the costs of yet another entitlement program.
I believe the idea is that as long as parents are forced to pay property taxes to fund education, they should have a say in where their children go to school. I don't see why it's such a big deal.
Thanks to the State government's stance on, and regulation of, Charter schools, there are 7 in the entire state of Virginia.
https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/charter_schools/index.shtml
Think he was more petitioning against public funding. But in top of that there is still state graduation standards which are also being warped. It isnt just school choice, but now schools have to conform to state mandated curricula. Likewise the AP group that firms test is also constantly tweaking what is on their tests and is slowly becoming woke especially in their history exams.
School choice does not fix those latter 2 issues. Wish Stossel had discussed them. There is a reason CRT needs to be fought and not just ignored.
Something like 300 public institutions now require some form of CRT training to graduate. It is the true pandemic of thought.
Just ban forcing people to pay for the government schools that neither they nor anyone in their house actually use. It will take care of a host of problems.
Why not ban having to pay for the fire department too? And that road over there? I don't use that. Fuck those people. And the cops? They aren't saving me, fuck them too. And the library? Who cares if anyone is educated or has a place to go apply for a job- fuck them too.
...isn't the Left all on board with not funding the police?
The left doesn't understand that the problem isn't law enforcement, the problem is too many laws. Just as they don't understand that education isn't the problem, the problem is what is (and isn't) being taught.
The left understands that bad laws (too many laws, if you like) are the problem. The left has been agitating for ending the drug war for some time. They have been for reforming the American prison dystopia for some time.
Occasionally a libertarian will come along and find common cause, because he wants to smoke his dope in peace too. And that's great. Too bad they have either no political power or must find themselves aligned with the same politicians who make their bones locking up poor blacks.
The left has been agitating for ending the drug war for some time.
Cite the bill? The only one who has made any headway on the topic is Trump with his Head Start legislation that he signed.
Biden in fact was one of the biggest proponents of those laws.
Drugs are way more legal all over the country than they were half a generation ago. Sure, that's even here in the buckle of the Bible Belt, because Republicans like to smoke weed too. Everyone likes weed.
But the only ones still demanding that we worship at the massive overhanging guts of cops are your team.
*Unless they are defending the US capitol from violent thugs. Then the cops are bad.
Yeah Democrats are totally against the security and surveillance state, except for the police standing down in a BLM riot, and the FBI, CIA, and the NSA, etc.
Biden and Hillary pushed that bill to lock up all those (black) super predators.
It's not just weed. Every interaction with the police has the potential to be fatal. Their job is to make you obey. They don't enforce the law. They enforce their will. If you do not obey they will use force, and if you piss them off or make them feel scared they might kill you. Doesn't matter if the impetus for the interaction was drugs, assault, j-walking or speeding. Obey or die.
If it's not important enough to kill someone over, then perhaps it shouldn't be enforced by government.
Pity we have an arms race situation where every traffic stop could included a perp armed to the teeth with weapons of war.
Silly people. You don't need an AR-15 if everyone else only carries knives.
Not sure what that means. I suppose though that there might be some wisdom in your rant. If cops stuck to being the good guys who go after bad guys, instead of killing people at traffic stops, they might earn a bit more respect.
Doesn't matter what someone is armed with. My AR-15 never killed anyone. Hopefully it never will.
Familiar with the concept of an arms race? Often it's used metaphorically, say in biology. Trees grow taller and taller to compete for sunlight when, if they had simply coordinated with each other, they could all stay near the grown and save the effort.
Here, we're talking literally about arms. I say we pick the minimum necessary armament to equalize us all in self defense and ban anything more powerful. Cops don't even need to carry guns in some parts of the world. Doesn't that sound lovely?
I promise to put away my guns once the government proves it can responsibly be the custodian of all of them.
Go.
But I have to warn you, cop standing down during BLM riots isn’t really a good argument for gun control and leaving it all to the cops. Neither is “defund the police” for that matter.
That’s a really stupid slogan and the people that came up with that are complete idiots. Why you would want to follow their lead is beyond me.
Noted that you want the cops to start murdering civil rights protesters.
great idea, only the cops and military have the guns. i wonder how that will work out...
Pretty much the same as it works in every other civilized country.
"The left has been agitating for ending the drug war for some time."
And if you listen to any leftist today they'll claim they have less power than libertarians. Which I guess was true regarding the Drug War, since it took till 2012 to see any state legalize cannabis. And most of your Party opposed it.
"Occasionally a libertarian will come along and find common cause, because he wants to smoke his dope in peace too."
Yeah no: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZbHndilYsI
I'm sure most of the Left wanted to legalize it just for "humanitarian" purposes (eye roll.)
"must find themselves aligned with the same politicians who make their bones locking up poor blacks."
Because aligning with the Democrats would've done much good?
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/17/the-untold-story-joe-biden-pushed-ronald-reagan-to-ramp-up-incarceration-not-the-other-way-around/
"The left understands that bad laws (too many laws, if you like) are the problem."
...explains laws banning straws.
Banning paper bags.
laws against "misgendering".
laws against going to restaurants without masks/vaccines.
Laws against going to theaters without masks/vaccines.
etc.
People mostly pay for the roads they use via the gas tax. Those not using the roads (are mostly) not paying for them. It should be a 100% use tax.
Are there private alternatives that cost significantly less and are at least if not more effective than the public safety services currently offered? Because that is the case with alternatives to government schools. In my town, the fire department is volunteer and funded largely through donations. And I help fund them despite not using them. If they were colossally expensive, obscenely ineffective and were practicing overt racism such as CRT then they would not see a dollar from me.
I don’t use the town library either but occasionally donate to them. That should also be completely privately funded.
I didn’t require a library to apply for any of the jobs I have.
Your kid =/ my financial responsibility. If you actually valued your child and their education then you would pay for it in full.
86% of fire departments are volunteer or mostly volunteer.
https://apps.usfa.fema.gov/registry/summary
In the interest of disclosure, I believe our town helps fund the VFD. But much is through donations. The last time they upgraded their radios, that was from me. The chief sent a nice thank you card.
The local school system cost is about $17,000 per student per year. High achieving student homeschool course materials are in the $500 to $1,000 per student per year. The latter avoids CRT debates, transgender debates, peanut allergies in the cafeteria, sexual assault by govt staff, low mpg carbon belching school buses, large classroom sizes and a plethora of other problems that won’t be eliminated by rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Just over half of the town property taxes go to funding that school system.
Usually equipment is either sourced by the town with donations, but the personnel costs are often free based on volunteering. The county I live in has a mix of types of funding.
As for schools, as I note above a lot of the issues are due to state based standards to qualify for a GED or the AP courses to save costs on colleges if you send your kid there.
One of the things I do support is Education Savings Accounts (ESAs) that states like Arizona are deploying to help fund at home schooling, tutoring, or private/charter schools.
He isnt bright enough to realize he mostly just own-goaled
Legalize school choice- fuck everyone left behind eh?
Follows your mantra of "fuck you, got mine" quite well.
And when charter schools fail and go bankrupt the taxpayers get to just take that L all the way to the bank eh?
Public schools and teachers unions are leaving plenty behind on their own accord.
“No dime left behind.” - Terri Weingarten
-Bastiat
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
It would be good if you actually understood bastiat and libertarian concepts since him instead of just quoting him.
All your arguments are about me as a person, not what I say.
Thank you for proving my point, gnat.
I literally quoted your comment above dumbass. I also directly referenced your comments from yesterday.
When you actually make a worthwhile post regarding a topic I'll discuss the topic. You rarely make an on topic comment.
Funny how you chase Ken around like a retarded kitten and then cry when other people point out your hypocrisy.
Again. See the biden thread where you had a full post attacking me instead of what was discussed. In fact you completely ignored the topics of the posts to make said attack.
Uoure a hypocrite and I point it out.
What were bastiats thoughts on forced government camp. Among as they don't end in genocide they are okay?
Pretty please. With sugar on top. Fuck off, gnat. You've proven time and time again that you argue in bad faith by accusing people of things they never said nor did. I suspect it is so you can practice your rehearsed responses. Practice on people who actually make the arguments you are trying to refute.
We probably agree on a lot of things, but you're so obsessed with making personal attacks against me that no conversation can be had.
So please leave me alone. Let me have conversations with people without you shitting it up.
Cite? I mean all you do is talk about me and lie about me. I cite your posts. Cite mine. Or are you a hypocrite? And ill leave you alone when you run to glibs like you promised or stop being a hypocrite.
"Legalize school choice- fuck everyone left behind eh?"
Why is the success of other kids my child's obligation?
Progressives want a system where they can drag everyone down to their level (the equivalent of a Prius hypermiling at 43 mph in the passing lane).
I mean this is absolutely true and happening. In public schools the new push for these dumbed down "inclusive" math classes everyone goes to rather than keeping the dumb 6th graders in basic math and letting the smart ones move on to algebra.
Its racist for little Jimmy to get a leg up by letting him take advanced math, so we have to keep him in LaQuan's class for equity. Otherwise we would get uneven results.
#progress
#StopAsianHate
"Legalize school choice- fuck everyone left behind eh?"
Yes.
Healthcare isnt a right. Food isnt a right. Housing isnt a right. Education isnt a right. These things are the responsibility of you as a person to provide yourself, and parents to provide their children. Unfortunately too many mouth breathers feel due to the fact that they have a slovenly existence on this earth, its everybody else's responsibility to provide these "rights" to them.
Grow the fuck up, take responsibility for yourself and your kids. Or get left behind. I couldnt care less. I "got mine" because I was hungry so I went out and got it. If you are a lazy piece of shit, you and your kids wont "get yours".
Oh by the way. Under the current govt run schools, they are still under the perfect socialist/govt model of "throw more money, more lazy govt employees" at the problem and of course they use more resources to get poorer outcomes. So it seems like the govt despite its best efforts is already leaving kids behind. Dont know how any other system could be worse.
If you’re OK with public schools becoming indoctrination camps, then you have no one to blame but yourself.
This is not an either/or proposition, one does not preclude the other. Of course, expand school choice as much as possible, but government schools should not be promoting a racial essentialist theory that demonizes one racial group and gives a rather distorted view of history. I am not sure why opposing CRT based pedagogy bothers Reason's writers so much.
What on earth makes you believe that history written by white people for white people is the "real" history?
Did schools not teach you about primary documents and their uses especially in historical teaching?
I didn't learn any actual facts about Christopher Columbus until I was in my 20s. Maybe 30s. My question is why you people think primary school history is of such utmost importance. Primary school is daycare. It's there to fill your heads with things that are 100% meant to be replaced later.
"I didn't learn any actual facts..."
probably could have stopped there
Facts like what? That he did things that were abhorrent by today's standards? So what? Judge people by their times, not ours. Colonialists were assholes. Yes. And by the standards of today they probably committed crimes against humanity. But it was normal for the time.
Oh, but Columbus did things that were abhorrent even by his own day's standards.
What people object to is the characterization. We learn that he changed history by discovering America.
What went unsaid is that he was the last person to discover America. That he was the harbinger of the perhaps largest genocide of all time, the utter obliteration of civilization in half the world. That he personally participated in acts so monstrous they shocked his contemporaries.
As I said, I don't particularly give a shit what children learn about history, because their little heads can't handle the actual truth anyway.
But if you're objecting to children being taught an incrementally more factual history over the European supremacist narratives you are accustomed to, it is you who want to tell lies and get away with it, not the woke crowd, and for motives that are less than savory.
As I said, I don't particularly give a shit what children learn about history, because their little heads can't handle the actual truth anyway.
Woof, the projection in this statement is greater than a 24-screen movie theater.
But if you're objecting to children being taught an incrementally more factual history over the European supremacist narratives you are accustomed to, it is you who want to tell lies and get away with it, not the woke crowd, and for motives that are less than savory
1) "We're not teaching CRT."
2) "Okay, we're teaching CRT, but it's not what you think it is."
3) If you don't want to learn why everything bad that ever happened in human history is the fault of white people, you're racist."
I would probably object to teaching history from a white-supremacist frame, but unlike you I hardly ever bother myself with gradeschool curricula. I'm not a sad victim of every single boogieman scapegoat hysteria FOX News shoves down my throat like you.
How are you still not yapping about Mr. Potato Head?
What I want to know is, why are democrats so obsessed with preventing grown adults from accessing information they don’t approve of, in total contraction of free speech, but suddenly don’t give a shit what impressionable children are taught?
Apparently, you’re not allowed to write a book about Hillary Clinton in an election year that she doesn’t like, but a teacher has the god-given right to tell a classroom anything she wants at taxpayer expense, no matter what a majority of those taxpayers think.
Freedom! Democracy!
It's called "repressive tolerance"--censor from the right while tolerating everything from the left.
Ever thought about switching from gin to brandy?
I didn't learn any actual facts about Christopher Columbus until I was in my 20s. Maybe 30s.
Sucks to be you. We were learning about that stuff in 4th and 5th grade in the 1980s. Maybe your hicklib parents should have done a better job in participating in your education rather than producing yet another batch of prison wine.
This notion that American history was completely whitewashed jingoism before the neomarxists took over the educational system is laughably ignorant.
Primary school is daycare.
All public school is daycare. Doesn't mean parents shouldn't have a say in it. It's not just their taxes, it's their community, and if a teacher, teachers, or school board want to subvert that, then they deserve to be removed so they can migrate somewhere that their ideology will be more welcome.
The hilarious part is that you actually admitted how ill-read and ill-educated you were until your 30s. Talk about an own-goal.
“ My question is why you people think primary school history is of such utmost importance. Primary school is daycare. It's there to fill your heads with things that are 100% meant to be replaced later.”
So what you’re saying is, public primary schools are primarily pointless?
Ok. I think I found a way to save money on the budget…
Which has little or nothing to do with what I wrote.
John Stossel is undoubtedly stupid enough to believe "It's called school choice, that means better! Because it says choice!"
But of course "school choice" is a way of describing using taxpayer funds to pay for more expensive schools with lower educational standards. It cannot mean anything else.
What this has to do with anarcho-capitalism, I'll never know.
There is no such thing as a school with lower educational standards than a government school.
Sure there is. A school that teaches children religious fairy tales instead of science.
That is exactly what is being objected to.
The religion is secular neomarxism and its vehicle is CRT. Dont believe me? Just ask the people who came up with it. A bunch of marxists who purposefully set out to shoehorn their beliefs with an emphasis on race rather than class.
I just want kids to learn actual math and science. Your klan is trying to push religious indoctrination, it just doesnt happen to be an Abrahamic one.
You're using some popular buzzwords but I'm sure I haven't the foggiest idea what they refer to. Care to be more specific?
You're using some popular buzzwords
Kind of like "systemic racism" and "white privilege."
You mention and argue for CRT in other threads so I can assume you are just playing (?) dumb here. I mean you dont argue for it well or accurately, you just gaslight about it. But you clearly are familiar.
Dont know what other buzzword you need addressed. Neomarxism is pretty easy. See tony neo means "new" when placed in from of a word and marxism means marxism. It is the new, modern adaptation of good ol' Karls communist dream. It manifest in many forms, especially in the fields involving "critical" analysis. Critical theory (the OG), critical race theory, critical whiteness studies, etc.
Its all marxism packaged superficially enough that anyone with at least a mildly above average IQ can spot it very quickly, but unfortunately progs dont really fall into this category, so they are highly susceptible to it. It is no coincidence you have bought in fully.
None of this is true. It's just bullshit fed to you by Tucker Carlson. Its purpose is to get you voting for Republicans. They don't care if they have to make you so stupid you can't tie your shoe. You are their victim. Stop being so pathetic.
They teach both. Bible is a separate class, right next to Physics. Maybe there are some nutters with rattlesnakes, but fuck them. If they're that stupid let them die.
"But of course "school choice" is a way of describing using taxpayer funds to pay for more expensive schools with lower educational standards"
Being that our current public schools are resulting in kids who come out at significantly lower literacy levels and mathematical abilities than what is appropriate, I think you need your sights recalibrated sugar.
Your day-care indoctrination centers are turning kids brains to mush and parents who want better for their kids are moving on. Your can gimp your little prog kids with CRT and ethnomathematics all you want, my kids will be happy to be their superiors and sign their minimum wage paychecks. If they can even get hired with their poli-sci / genger studies degree
If we just abandoned rural areas and forced rural kids to do all our manufacturing, we could kill several birds with one stone, including getting our school metrics averages up.
LOL, those rural kids are ironically going to turn out far less retarded than urbanites at the rate these remote "learning" and mask mandates stay in place.
Using government schools to push social agendas and punish certain groups, people and regions? Say it isn’t so.
“ But of course "school choice" is a way of describing using taxpayer funds to pay for more expensive schools with lower educational standards. It cannot mean anything else.”
Fact free assertions are pointless.
Posting actual facts makes the expensive and under performing government schools (and the teacher union masters) look horrible.
I'm not too worried about it. People can unlearn bullshit. Show me a libertarian and I'll show you someone who sought out the truth after realizing that most of what they were fed as a kid was bs.
One thing for sure is we can't show you a libertarian by having you look in a mirror.
Wonder if you realize your arguments with Tony are the same shit we deal w arguing with you.
But until they allow school choice, if taxpayers in a district want to ban CRT, then that’s how democracy works.
This school choice talk feels like re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic. If the government starts giving out vouchers, it will heavily regulate who and what they can be spent on. It won't be a way to go outside of the reach of the commissars.
In my private utopia no one would be compelled to pay for the education (or housing or feeding) of anyone else's children, but that's a pipe-dream. I don't think there is any hope. As soon as the Robin Hood types declare war on what they deem to be abominable, they automatically take on those tendencies themselves and then cause more suffering then they started with. It's like noticing that predators kill other animals and then launching a program to kill all predators, eventually subjecting the world to ecological devastation. A takeaway is that Robin Hood was never really a good person. He saw the morality that guides the rest of us, as just something to be weaponized. The road to hell is paved with bad intentions after all.
choose to school your own children.
Do both:
1. Ban CRT as it is clearly racist and unconstitutional under 14A;
2. Legalize school choice. Parents should be able to put their kids in the school of their choosing and take the tax money with them to pay for private schooling.
Yeah,
"Don't ban creationism. Legalize school choice."
"Don't ban phrenology. Legalize school choice."
"Don't ban numerology. Legalize school choice."
"Don't ban one-drop rule. Legalize school choice."
"Don't ban Title IX. Legalize school choice."
Sorry, Stoss. Ban CRT from public schools and legalize school choice.
CRT is a racist lie. Banning it doesn’t punish the criminals though.
Criminalize lying instead, then demonstrate with logic and science that CRT is a lie and punish the lying criminals appropriately knowing that other liars have been put on notice.
Criminalize lying instead, then demonstrate with logic and science that CRT is a lie and punish the lying criminals appropriately knowing that other liars have been put on notice.
Although I believe in objective reality, we can't give any person or body of persons the authority to tell us what's objectively real and what isn't. We should be free to make up our own minds.
What the schools should be teaching is whatever the tax payers want it to teach. He with the gold makes the rules. If money is forcibly confiscated from me, the least I could ask for is some say in how it gets spent.
What makes you believe that to be true?
If everything is whatever you want it to be, there’s no need to teach anything.
Don’t make or enforce laws. Give people more choices to murder and steal. Yeah.
If we want to be pedantic, there is no clear distinction between wants and needs. Needs are just how we we categorize are stronger, more fundamental wants.
I'm of the opinion that, in a properly governed society, there will be a minimum of murdering and stealing. One of the chief functions of of government, as I see it, is to channel people's negative inclinations toward productive ends. For instance, even though many people find greed to be offensive, in a properly governed society, greedy people will have a pathway to satisfaction by supplying goods and services wanted by others. Denying people those pathways will cause a lot more murdering and stealing than we would otherwise experience. That's what happened in the Soviet Union, and that's what's happening now in America (and all across the western world).
Why would greedy people choose right over wrong?
They will exploit wants and desires until only a wasteland is left, then move on to greener pastures.
Have you ever heard of an algal bloom? It’s a cyclical event where a l plant greedily uses up all its resources until there are none left and billions of individuals die off. After a long time the earth heals itself and the process can occur again. There’s no intelligent thought, no governance, only greed.
I prefer an intelligent plan to base my future on.
Is that the lead balloon libertarians call utopia?
There is truth. Teach that.
Truth is defined through the robust application of logic and science.
For every unambiguous question logic and or science yields only one answer that is the truth.
"Some conservatives want to ban the teaching of CRT. That's not a good idea. Government shouldn't be banning ideas or taking choices away from teachers. Bans shield students from important topics."
Let me know when conservatives close down private schools for teaching CRT.
Oh, you mean they don't want that stuff *subsidized*? Why didn't you say so?
If he means *replace* the current system with schools of choice, where every school is attended by kids who parents affirmatively decided to put them there, then I say let any school push any CReTinous crap they want, so long as they make full disclosure of what they're teaching.
Then we'll see how many parents knowingly choose the CReTinous schools.
The public school system was created/mandated (forced on all) for indoctrination. Private schools may indoctrinate also, but not all do and that allows escape, choice, so our children's minds will be free from superstition. The teaching of CRT is just one blatant example of indoctrination that makes it obvious how harmful collectivism can be. Without choice, we are doomed to divide and fight over who gets to rule the rest.