Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?
There are good reasons to think polls grossly exaggerate the number of Americans who support political violence.

As outrageous and embarrassing as it was, the Capitol riot that happened a year ago today did not come close to stopping Joe Biden from taking office. The assault on the Capitol was haphazard and hapless, a temper tantrum rather than an incipient coup. It was a humiliating spectacle for the United States, indisputable evidence of Donald Trump's reckless self-absorption, and a fitting end to a ridiculous presidency. But in the end, the vandalism and violence merely delayed the ratification of the election results until that night.
Former President Jimmy Carter nevertheless claims that "a violent mob, guided by unscrupulous politicians, stormed the Capitol and almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power." In a New York Times essay titled "I Fear for Our Democracy," Carter says the threat represented by that "insurrection" continues to endanger our system of government. "Our great nation now teeters on the brink of a widening abyss," he writes. "Without immediate action, we are at genuine risk of civil conflict and losing our precious democracy." The Times editorial board likewise warns that "the Republic faces an existential threat from a movement that is openly contemptuous of democracy and has shown that it is willing to use violence to achieve its ends."
This alarming portrait of a nation on the verge of civil war supposedly is verified by polling data showing that Americans are not only more bitterly divided than ever but also increasingly inclined to resolve political disputes with violence. Carter, for example, cites a January 2021 survey in which "36 percent of Americans—almost 100 million adults across the political spectrum—agree[d] that 'the traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.'"
A Washington Post/University of Maryland poll conducted last month likewise is generating alarm among people who are inclined to see the Capitol riot as a harbinger of a near future in which bullets replace ballots. "Do you think it is ever justified for citizens to take violent action against the government, or is it never justified?" the survey asked. A third of the respondents, including two-fifths of Republicans, said "violent action against the government" could be justified. That is a sentiment on which this country was built, and one I think I would have to endorse, given how broadly the question was worded. Post columnist Jennifer Rubin nevertheless saw those results as further evidence that "democracy itself is on the ballot this year."
A study published last September in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences challenges the notion that a substantial minority of Americans—more than two-fifths, according to some reports—condone political violence. The Dartmouth political scientist Sean Westwood and his co-authors argue that "documented support for political violence is illusory, a product of ambiguous questions, conflated definitions, and disengaged respondents."
Westwood et al. acknowledge that partisan animosity, a.k.a. "affective polarization," has "increased significantly" during the last few decades. "While Americans are arguably no more ideologically polarized than in the recent past," they say, "they hold more negative views toward the political opposition and more positive views toward members of their own party." But at the same time, "evidence suggests that affective polarization is not related to and does not cause increases in support for political violence and is generally unrelated to political outcomes." So what are we to make of claims that more than a third of Americans believe political violence is justified?
"Despite media attention," Westwood et al. note, "political violence is rare, amounting to a little more than 1% of violent hate crimes in the United States." They argue that "self-reported attitudes on political violence are biased upwards because of disengaged respondents, differing interpretations about questions relating to political violence, and personal dispositions towards violence that are unrelated to politics."
Westwood et al. estimate that, "depending on how the question is asked, existing estimates of support for partisan violence are 30-900% too large." In their study, "nearly all respondents support[ed] charging suspects who commit acts of political violence with a crime." These findings, they say, "suggest that although recent acts of political violence dominate the news, they do not portend a new era of violent conflict."
These conclusions are based on three surveys in which Westwood et al. presented respondents with specific scenarios involving different kinds of violence, varying in severity and motivation. "Ambiguous survey questions cause overestimates of support for violence," they write. "Prior studies ask about general support for violence without offering context, leaving the respondent to infer what 'violence' means." They also note that "prior work fails to distinguish between support for violence generally and support for political violence," which "makes it seem like political violence is novel and unique."
A third problem they identify is that "prior survey questions force respondents to select a response without providing a neutral midpoint or a 'don't know' option," which "causes disengaged respondents…to select an arbitrary or random response." Since "current violence-support scales are coded such that four of five choices indicate acceptance of violence," those arbitrary or random responses tend to "overstate support for violence."
What happens when researchers try to address those weaknesses? In all three surveys that Westwood et al. conducted, "respondents overwhelmingly reject[ed] both political and non-political violence." And while a substantial minority disagreed, that number was inflated by respondents who were classified as "disengaged" based on their failure to retain information from the brief scenarios they read.
The first two surveys, conducted in January 2021, described two actual incidents of political violence. In one, "a Democratic driver was charged with hitting a group of Republicans in Florida who were registering citizens to vote." In the other, "a Republican driver was charged with assault for driving his car though Democratic protesters in Oregon."
In both cases, a fifth of all respondents said the assault was justified. The level of support was essentially the same when the partisan details were omitted. But disengaged respondents were much more likely to approve of the assaults than engaged respondents. When the partisan details were included, about 38 percent of disengaged respondents said the driver's actions were justified, compared to 12 percent of engaged respondents. When the partisan details were omitted, the numbers were about 45 percent and 11 percent, respectively.
The third survey, conducted last April, randomly assigned participants to read "a story with a Republican or Democratic shooter engaging in politically motivated violence or an apolitical act of murder." As you might expect given the severity of the violence, far fewer respondents said it was justified. Overall, 10 percent of respondents said the shooter was justified in the political scenario, while about 7 percent said the apolitical shooter was justified. But there was a huge gap between the disengaged and engaged respondents: 34 percent vs. 4 percent in the political scenario and 26 percent vs. 3 percent in the apolitical scenario.
The gap between engaged and disengaged respondents shrank dramatically when they were asked a more concrete question: Should the driver or shooter face criminal charges? "Across our conditions," Westwood et al. report, "between 83% and 100% of respondents who passed the engagement test want the suspect in the politically motivated violent crime charged, while between 81% and 94% of disengaged respondents want the suspect in the politically motivated violent crime charged."
The study presents additional evidence that the answers given by respondents who failed the engagement test do not necessarily reflect their actual views. "When presented with a dichotomous question and no 'don't know' option," the researchers report, "disengaged respondents essentially randomly split their responses between the two choices, while engaged respondents overwhelmingly report that the driver is not justified….When disengaged respondents are presented with five choices that include a neutral midpoint, the modal response is the midpoint with the remaining respondents splitting their responses between the remaining four categories."
In addition to suggesting that surveys commonly exaggerate the level of support for political violence, this study casts doubt on the idea that political motivation has much to do with how people respond to these questions. Westwood et al.'s study included a question used in prior surveys: "How much do you feel it is justified for [members of your party] to use violence in advancing their political goals these days?" There are five possible answers, ranging from "not at all" to "a great deal."
While that "measure of political violence" was "predictive of support for political violence in our vignettes," Westwood et al. say, it also predicted "support for apolitical acts of violence." They think "the evidence is clear" that "the survey measure…captures general tolerance for violence and not political violence specifically."
Given these findings, the dire predictions of literal partisan warfare should be taken about as seriously as the claim that the Capitol riot "almost succeeded" in overturning the results of the presidential election. "Our results show support for political violence is not broad-based," Westwood et al. conclude. "To the contrary, we find the public overwhelmingly rejects acts of violence, whether they are political or not. Our evidence suggests that extant studies have reached a different conclusion because of design and measurement flaws."
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Was the insurrectional revolution Capitol riot nothing more than a protest?
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"There are good reasons to think polls grossly exaggerate the number of Americans who support political violence."
This really needs to be said?!
There are good reasons to think that if you ask people what you should name your newborn, the most popular response will be "Baby McBabyface".
The news media is a joke to most Americans--and that's not just judging by the polls. That's going by the ratings.
The insurrectional insurrectionists were insurrectionally insurrectioning.
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The insurrectional insurrectionists were insurrectionally insurrectioning.
If they were intersectional insurrectionists, the insurrection would have been downgraded to "mostly peaceful" protest.
Dear Reason, for a good analysis of what a Libertarian should have to say about Jan 6, please read this:
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-histrionics-and-melodrama-around
From the link:
"...Indeed, when it comes to melodrama, histrionics, and exploitation of fear levels from the 1/6 riot, there has never been any apparent limit. And today — the one-year anniversary of that three-hour riot — there is no apparent end in sight. Too many political and media elites are far too vested in this maximalist narrative for them to relinquish it voluntarily..."
He mentions the Wuflu later.
Dunno if I agree that nothing good came of it; Pelosi's and AOC' wildly over the top claims expose them as agenda-driven liars, which is always a positive.
All your boy Trump does is lie. He hasn’t been honest a day in his life. The fact that you think he gives a shit about Americans prove how stupid you are.
It's still trying.
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I did the same. It needs to go back to WaPo where it belongs.
It has been amazing watching reason and the media pretend mkne the summer of rage never happened.
Leftists excel at doublethink.
There is a difference between art and pornography. Jan 6 was a protest.
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Except for the one guy who runs an organization called Insurrection USA. He was just there as a "journalist".
The insurrection this week was the Chicago Teachers refusing to go to work. They should all be fired immediately, and each parent should be given $5K to educate their own kid (would be a boon for results achieving Catholic schools). And send a nuke to the teacher's unions which should be shut down as a threat to our republic. Come on Reason show some balls and advocate to end the CTA...from orbit..
I note how BLM-driven riots were not mentioned at all, when in fact it was a year of explicitly political violence. I’ve no doubt this is because 1) including this element would have massively changed the premise of this article, and 2) the violence within those riots was defined-away by the Jennifer Rubinesque bien-pensant as a necessary part of winning an election (“election fortification”) and so has ceased to exist as examples of political violence.
And Reason does it too. Why is that?
Republicans and their penis compensating, fully automatic AK-15s are the greatest threat to American democracy. We need Gitmo and warrant-less wiretaps now more than ever!
Several of the city riots were insurrectionist, in that several private groups took over sections of cities, local politicians explicitly pulled the police out and turned over city property. If that's not insurrection, what is?
Then there are the various prosecutors who refuse to prosecute murder, bank robbery, and anything else they call systemic racism.
Anyone who calls Jan 6 insurrection without having previously called Burn Loot Murder riots as insurrection is a hypocrite of the first water.
Strictly speaking the ATL wasn’t even specific to 1/6, just the normalization of political violence. Well, Reason has succeeded in normalizing-away a year of riots dedicated to a political proposition, so really they are a fine case-in-point of wearing the very shit they think stinks on others.
Why, because their writers are fully in support of BLM and it's anti-West neo-Marxist goals.
Rubin is a total moron who got her gig at the WAPO as a conservative because she was a neocon and fit the acceptable "mode" for conservatives (interventionists) at liberal papers (see Frum, Brooks, Boot..and so on).
This shitty article could have been written by the DNC.
It probably was, TGN; Sullum basically phones it in.
It's Sullum, so par for the course
You mean subpar for the course.
it was...note the fake phrase " political violence...
There is no such thing.
“...and a fitting end to a ridiculous presidency.”
Uh huh. As opposed to the train wreck that is Biden/Harris or was Obama/Biden? Try to be honest, asshole, and ask yourself who did best for the country -by orders of magnitude.
On second thought, don’t bother. Instead, go fuck yourself.
"While Americans are arguably no more ideologically polarized than in the recent past,"
See this is the craziest part. Both Team Red and Team Blue effectively agree on so much, yet there is nonetheless so much hate towards the other.
- Both teams agree with public education.
- Both teams agree with a progressive income tax system (taxes should be low on lower/middle classes).
- Both teams agree with large spending in general.
- Both teams agree with entitlement spending.
- Both teams, now, agree with tariffs on China.
- Both teams, I think, have stepped back from a more confrontational approach to world affairs.
Really, there are only a few issues of severe disagreement, like abortion or guns.
That is why I don't think there is going to be a shooting civil war. There is just far too much in common than not.
And that's not even getting into shared language, culture, etc.
So no, there isn't going to be a civil war, but there DOES need to be governmental, structural reforms.
Both teams probably agree that you should have been aborted.
Not after 14 weeks. 😉
If folks knew how it played out, not only would they not have sued (in Texas) they would have started a GoFundMe for it.
No, in this specific case I agree with Democrats and post-birth is fine. In this case I accept a 400 trimester abortion initiated by anyone would be fine.
*should be aborted
Jeffy was never a fetus. Just a talking fatty corpuscle that got fatter and talked more.
But by this same token, both sides in the American Civil War agreed that Gettysburgh was an important place to hold. It was just the small matter of figuring out WHO was going to hold it.
I'm not saying that violence is imminent, but it has long been true that the deepest rivalries and hatreds come from within. C.f. Soviets and CCP, or the fracture of the Islamic world.
The problem, in my mind, isn't what ideas we are fighting for. It is the stakes. In a country where the government runs a tiny portion of your lives, someone's different ideas matter very little to you. But as the government becomes bigger and bigger, that changes. Hell, Public Education is a perfect example. It is coming to blows precisely because it is such a big portion of peoples' lives.
I agree, in part. But it is nonetheless still hard to imagine a civil war being fought over the controversy of public school curricula.
I don't think you get it. It isn't "public school curricula" that does it. It is the stuff that happens around it. The government has a good way of amplifying these things and spinning them way out of control.
Is encouraging people to stop smoking worth coming to blows? Of course not. Yet when the government decided to "encourage" people with a punitive tax, that led to tax dodgers and regulations, and then eventually cops strangling a man on the streets because they thought he might be selling them loosies.
What happened when parents started pushing back against the curriculums in their schools? They (the school boards association) tried raising it to the DOJ to investigate. When you do shit like that, it stops being about "school curriculum" and becomes about ruining peoples' lives with jail or worse.
I don't think you get it.
He gets it just fine. Claiming CRT "isn't part of the curriculum" is the left's distraction technique. To show you how well it works:
On another site someone commented that ending merit admissions to magnet schools and programs is what drives Asian voting against Dems, not the CRT nonsense. In reality ending merit admissions is CRT. CRT advocates claim merit criteria which do not show exact racial proportionality are racist and must be eliminated.
The question has never been whether schools teach what CRT is, they would never do this because even children recognize how stupid CRT is. The question has always been whether schools are run according to CRT principles. The fact that leftists are both implementing it and trying to hide that fact shows they know it is both unpopular and unsupportable.
It isnt over curricula you dumbass partisan fuck. It is over indoctrination and activists trying to create student activists. Teachers are open about their goals.
https://www.naeyc.org/resources/blog/teacher-to-equity-activist
They openly admit their goals. Meanwhile test grades and education levels continue to drop like a rock. But you are for indoctrination by the state over parents teaching morals.
It will be fought over the unceasing efforts of you democrats to enslave the country to a neo Marxist dictatorship. Hint: it will end badly for you.
The only path to effective governmental reform is to burn the current government to the ground and start over from scratch.
I would be fine with a Constitutional Convention. I don't believe the current system serves us very well anymore.
Jeff what would be better in your opinion, curious question.
I do not think there is anything wrong with exploring a more parliamentary-style system.
We have examples that blend federalist and parliamentary systems together. Germany and Australia and Canada come to mind. They are not banana republics or shithole countries. Parliamentary systems have the advantage of giving voice to a wider spectrum of thought beyond the stale two-party garbage.
If there is going to be a Constitutional Convention, I would also like to see stricter protections for property rights. We have seen that the Fourth Amendment's prohibition against "unreasonable" searches is too vague, time to tighten that up. The Commerce Clause is far too vague and is used to deprive too many property rights.
But even if there isn't a Constitutional Convention, there are still things that can happen that can make things better. Increase the size of the House, that doesn't require a Constitutional amendment, just an act of Congress. Explore different options with ranked choice voting, that can help with getting more minor parties' voices heard. Things like that.
Does ones life count as property? Because you cheer her death.
Just go back to the Articles of Confederation with the bill of rights and a fixed commerce clause (no states can put up tarriffs or such against other states). No central bank, no federal income tax..no dept of education...a very small federal govt.the weaker the better.
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the GOP rand and file don't believe in the things the DC GOP crowd does. I left the GOP with Bush...when you say you are going to shut down the DOE..I damn well expect you will. When you say you will stop deficit spending..I expect you will. when you say no more racial quotas..well you get the point. The problem with the libertarian party is the cosmo wing that only cares about being "cool with their liberal friends at the DC cocktail circuit and open borders and pot. I'm fine with pot but WTF..when are we going to shut down the Fed?
No. Geez!
Absolutely!
Uh, you ARE talking about 2017, right?
For the whole summer the cities burned.
And all the shitheads who write for this garbage fire of could say was: “who can object to peaceful protests?”
Fuck all of you.
A summer of political violence was memory-holed because it was decided that election fortification was necessary by any means necessary.
For something that was “memory holed”, I see it discussed daily here.
Above the line, in the context of the normalization of “political violence”? No, you have not.
Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?
Yes, and it was started and is currently being prosecuted by Democrats.
A battle in which only one side brought guns.
So you've bought into the "Patriot Purge" nonsense?
Don't know what that is.
But saying that Trump supporters have a "knife to the throat of democracy" is not what I'd call a "uniting stance" from our President.
Given that we are a constitutional republic, which is anathema to democrats, Biden is sort of right. I would certainly like to see the the Democrat’s nascent democracy have it’s metaphorical throat cut while there is still time.
We have to out down the Democrat’s treason as quickly as possible.
Yea, but they started years ago.
No, the opening shots were over the previous summer physically and about that time in the illegal/unconstitutional legal actions.
You can go back further than this, but for convenience it's had a couple phases:
1. Russiagate
2. Pandemic/blmantifa summer
3. 2020 election and January 6
4. And now that Trump's out of the way, they can turn on us in full force with crippling inflation, supply chain disruption, increased surveillance, ramped up corporate enforcement of shunning people from opportunity, overbearing regulations, and leading to outright totalitarian dictatorship.
You think the Waukesha massacre was an isolated incident? Rampant crime an accident? No, these are just opening salvoes.
"As outrageous and embarrassing as it was, the Capitol riot that happened a year ago today did not come close to stopping Joe Biden from taking office."
You know who else lost the opening battle of a Civil War? The team that eventually won.
Federal troops march onto private citizens' property and deprive them of their free speech rights? Insurrection among the citizenry. Private citizens march onto public property and shot dead for exercising their free speech rights? Insurrection among the citizenry. Admittedly, only two data points, but the other variables shift enough to suggest that the Federal Government has a habit of declaring people exercising their 1A rights as insurrectionists and then executing them out of hand.
They used the US military to murder tens of thousands of Citizens...
1860s.
Civil War my Ass...The US Military is NOT a Civil entity
I wonder what percentage of the colonists in 1773ish supported violence? It doesn't take a large percentage of intolerant people to move a mass of people (and by intolerant, I mean both Karen's and Molon Labe's).
“It doesn't take a large percentage of intolerant people to move a mass of people...”
Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come.
( From somebody).
>> "the Republic faces an existential threat from a movement that is openly contemptuous of democracy and has shown that it is willing to use violence to achieve its ends."
so ... (D)?
If Jan 6th was actually the prelude to an insurrection, Ray Epps would have been arrested and have been the first person put on trial and it would have been televised for all to see. Because there's a shitload of video evidence of him literally inciting insurrection for hours on end both the night before and the day of. But there has been no trial for inciting insurrection, he hasn't been arrested, and was disappeared from the FBI's most wanted list less than 3 months after Jan 6th. I wonder why that is.
Trumpers are all the kids who said they'd absolutely jump off a bridge if their friend said to. Total followers. It's what conservatism is.
There's evidence that Epps was president of the Oath Keepers, but no evidence he's FBI.
I want to believe that the Left is as organized as you think it is. I would love nothing more for it to be the case that Democrats engineered a conspiracy to destroy the Republican party and arrest the trash that votes for them.
But the horrifying truth is that nobody is in control of any of this.
Ahh yes. His unxcited membership in the oath keepers is why the fvi isn't interested despite them charging other oath keepers.
Most of the charges are for entering a restricted area, assault, property destruction, or obstructing an official proceeding. I suppose he could be charged with conspiracy, but it sounds like he was just exercising his free speech, and maybe they couldn't build a case.
Have you watched the videos of him?
No, I don't pay attention to ALL the right-wing conspiracy theories.
Again, I wish that this were all orchestrated. It would demonstrate less of a threat from the right than I think there is as well as more competence on the left.
So you’re intentionally ignorant on the subject but still gave your opinion about it.
You mad that there aren't 734 people criminally charged instead of 733?
I just feel like we're all on the same page on this one.
What a stupid disingenuous question.
Stupid and disingenuous are Tony’s defining traits.
You just defined every leftist ever.
You’re a dick sucking piece of shit.
More lefty cock-lovin'.
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Where you been you special little guy?
Confession via projection, as usual with leftists
Left wing activists and Democrats supported political violence for 6 months infuriating regular people. Naturally the left's normalization of violence as part of protesting convinced some people this was the new normal for everyone. Not everyone is aware enough to realize the left operates under special rules.
Now the same people who supported BLM / antifa violence are pretending they oppose violence again because there's an opportunity to demonize their opponents.
"Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?"
Opening and closing, apparently, judging by the lack of subsequent activity.
Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?
There is a sort of poetic "History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme." notion to the first death on one side of the Second Civil War being a civilian shot for exercising their free speech rights.
There needs to be some geography for a civil war. Otherwise it's just Nardz capping anyone driving a Prius.
Enjoy yourself fuckbag. There will be no lines in the coming civil war.
He sucks at firing guns anyways. More likely to injure himself.
He’s always too far left.
Xavier that bottom shelf liquor and hobo wine has really pickled your pea brain Sarc.
What is all this speeching and newscast babbling and goings on about January 6th?
Some people did something, nothing more.
“As outrageous and embarrassing as it was, the Capitol riot that happened a year ago today did not come close to stopping Joe Biden from taking office.”
Oh, come on. Per Democrats, we were on the knife edge of losing Democracy altogether, and still are. Don’t you read the Washington Post an NYT?
I think what will happen will be something like what happened in Rwanda. Neighbors killing each other with machetes. There are people on these comments literally drooling for the opportunity to kill people over politics. Something will snap, and millions will die.
There are people on these comments literally drooling for the opportunity to kill people over politics.
It should be easy to find us one then. Let's see the cite.
To be fair, I'd be happy to put rounds through Antifa if they came to my neighborhood looking to start trouble. Typically, you just need to beat the shit out of them like the guys in Fort Collins did, though.
These aren't people looking to be martyrs, which is why they tend to stick to their deep blue enclaves and shit up their own nest.
Weird how you think the conservatives are the violent ones given the BLM riots, left wing activists going to the houses of politicians and private citizens, by any means necessary, antifa, etc.
Weird how you have no qualms with those people. Marshal is right, you're a partisan hypocrite.
You forgot the numerous solely political murders, such as Reinhoel perpetrated and in Waukesha.
The sitting president was being prevented from addressing the nation so they were protesting the violations of civil liberties like fair voting.
What are the sides in this war? Both democrats and republicans lie and use propaganda to manipulate the people.
If the government isn’t working for the people, who are they working for? That’s going to be one side.
If they are a secret society, who do we fight?
The morons who don't believe climate change is real.
Are you sure morons are your enemy?
Tony’s a bigot. Anyone he doesn’t agree with is his enemy.
Bigotry is rampant throughout society.
People confuse bigotry with principles.
For whatever reason they believe something is bad and they go on a bigoted crusade.
Making a claim you can’t prove and denying one you can’t refute is bigotry.
I don’t think many of them realize their bigotry or that it’s worse than their good intentions.
You could call them morons.
Bigotry? Like anti Semitism?
I demonstrated that you’re a holocaust denier, like almost everyone else. Does that make you a Nazi, an anti Semite?
I mean unless you believe the Jewish leaders and media who claimed no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945 that there were so many holocausts of 6 million Jews…YOU ARE DENYING JEWISH CLAIMS OF HOLOCAUSTS OF 6 MILLION JEWS.
Why don’t you demonstrate that you’ve considered these facts by either agreement or refuting them.
I’m a Holocaust denier? Are you more insane than usual? I lost a whole branch of my family on my mother ‘s side to your Nazi masters.
You’re a fucking genocidal wanna be bigot.
Yes you are!
Having had demonstrated that your cherished narrative upon which you base your worldview is false, do you pick yourself up, beaten but ready to finally recognize reality? No.
No, you hang on to the lie, denying reality. Is it insanity?
It’s incredible but your satanic cult called Judaism is so invested in lying that you can’t accept reality. In the reality that demonstrates your cult is based on lying, cheating and stealing there is no future.
You claim of perpetual persecution is the direct natural evolutionary result of denying reality.
Persecution is all your cult has and it’s your own fault. You choose it over the reality of your insignificance. You’re pathetic.
The harm your lying causes is real enough. Your cult preys on the trust in reality, a fundamental requirement of civilization.
Were we uncivilized like you, you might pay with your lives, which is ironically the common theme of your false narratives.
Instead you twist your punishment into a narrative of false persecution. After all, lying is your harmful shtick.
Most definitely.
Super, can you describe your criteria for a moron so we can be sure that you’re not sleeping with the enemy, so to speak?
Climate change is very real. Your assessment of the relative causes is incorrect and entirely based on expanding government control. Also, you and your leftist friends ar the morons.
You didn't think it was real 5 years ago, did you?
I keep trying to tell people, it's not that you're evil, it's that you're slow.
Tony, I’ve always known that our climate is evolving. Unlike you, I don’t buy into this phony AGW offal that your kind uses as a phantom menace to scare people into Marxism. This is because I think for myself and have a vastly superior intellect.
If you weren’t so stupid you might actually understand how stupid you are.
Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?
Red Rocks, JesseAZ and Sevo seem to think so.
Cite? Or are you another liar like Sarc and Jeff.
I cite my claims of what people have said. Do you?
Don't need to cite anything, your daily opinions in the comment section are on full display.
It really started when the first city burned in 2020.
Indeed. Democrats have murdered dozens of Americans in their democrat riots and insurrection all over the country since George Floyd ‘s death. And for a year before that in Portland Oregon.
Also, I'm glad to see I'm living rent-free in your pinhead, faggot.
O/T but did anyone see Gerry Connolly say that we need more Liz Cheney's in America? Apparently, he doesn't think we need more Joe Manchin's though: "I think we have to fight voter suppression by passing two voting rights bills that are before the Senate right now, that have already passed the House, whatever it takes — if we have to get rid of the filibuster to do it."
In other words, "we need more people on our side and if we cannot get enough, we'll ignore the rules." #insurrection?
un-surrection.
"...It was a humiliating spectacle for the United States, indisputable evidence of Donald Trump's reckless self-absorption, and a fitting end to a ridiculous presidency..."
As this is clearly evidence that the article was written by a TDS-addled lefty pile of shit.
Asshole, name one president who did more for freedom, lower taxes and less regulation, or STFU.
Washington?
Jefferson?
Yeah, sh0uld have limited it to 20th century.
I'll counter then with Calvin Coolidge. Quoting from an article in The Libertarian Republic on the most libertarian presidents, it claims:
"He cut taxes substantially on at least three occasions and appointed laissez-faire actors to government agencies like the Federal Trade Commission and Interstate Commerce Commission. The federal debt was reduced by one-fourth as state and local governments grew substantially and surpassed the federal budget. Coolidge also vetoed farm subsidies, disdained federal intervention in flood control, spoke in favor of civil rights for blacks and Catholics and was wary of foreign entanglements."
Silent Cal may well have beat Trump, but that's looking a far bit south of what the TDS-addled asshole Sullum recognizes.
Trumps dick still taste good?
There's that lefty obsession with cock again.
An uneducated piece of trash like you need to graduate 5th grade. You are by far the dumbest person on the planet.
Keep masturbating to your signed picture of Don Sr sucking off Don Jr.
An idiotic pile of shit like you ought to apologize for existing, asshole
Keep masturbating to your signed picture of Don Sr sucking off Don Jr.
Damn, son, your personal fantasies are really none of our business.
Why do you lefties have such a fascination with cocks? When you're not fantasizing about sucking it, you're thinking of it every time you see a gun, a big truck, or an obelisk. Why not just get on Grindr if you're that hot for manmeat?
All of you right wing men have a fantasies of buttplugs? We all know you’ve sucked sick to get where you go. That’s why you don’t like gays. You’re scared that they will get to the top by doing the same thing right wingers have been doing all their lives. Sucking dick to get to the top.
LOL, the projection in this post could reach Pluto.
Sevo, one of the regulars you made cry has a new sock.
Yeah, daveca is also in the running.
daveca's not a lefty, he's just REALLY bad at comment threading.
And a bit angry.
I think it's a new shitbag progressive troll. It thinks libertarian = far right trump worshipper, thus homophobe. That's my guess as to why it's going on about trump and cock all the time. Lefties are nothing if not stupid and predictable.
I think he's just outed himself as a leftist, if there was any remaining doubt: Their most annoying characteristic is that irrational conviction that everything they believe is self evident, "indisputable".
I'll be curious to see how many years of Jan 6 anniversaries it will take before the media realizes that absolutely no one gives a shit, and it's pointless to even file a story.
I'm guessing about 2.
bidens vacccine sideshows crashed and J6 was a convenient distraction from his 30 % approval rating
I'll wait to see how the Supreme Court rules on Biden's OSHA vaccination mandates. Then I'll have a better idea whether violent civil reaction is more probable in the future. If the court finds the mandates constitutional then it is, IMHO, a given that the current administration will take excessive advantage of their broadened powers.
The court is full of geriatrics who hold some of the greatest lifetime power on earth. They may be theocratic libertarians, but they aren't about to permit diseased rubes to cough virus all over them.
Uh, 6 of the justices are under 70 years old. Four haven't even reached normal retirement age.
Progressives' 'conventional wisdom' is all like this, complete bullshit.
Amd it’s not like they can count, or are proficient in basic arithmetic.
Just to give some perspective, look up THE BONUS MARCH; back in the early 1930's, 30,000 or so people protested at the Capitol Bldg. The Army kicked them out; they had six tanks in addition to men. This so called "insurrection?" A tiny group; a number of curiosity seekers, no real plan, etc. "They had our democracy by the throat?"
That wasn't an attempt to overturn an election.
And what possible reason could there be to downplay the seriousness of Jan. 6? Because we aren't sure it was a bad idea?
"...A tiny group; a number of curiosity seekers, no real plan, etc. "They had our democracy by the throat?"..."
You just don't know how fragile our republic is. Why, they could have delayed the vote for just HOURS! /S
Biden wouldn't have remembered why he was there and gone home. No sarc
They weren’t sure Biden had brought enough diapers.
Always a matter of great concern and the republic might have collapsed if his handlers had to find Depends, STAT!
Pretty sure shitstain will be happy to craft an argument around that, right shitstain?
You just don't understand. They were mere minutes from enstating themselves as Congressmen and beginning to pass laws, and there would have nothing we could have done about it. The entire Republic could have been undone in an instant and we would have had to comply with the new order.
"The military keep us safe/ give us freedom.."
or some Communist bullshit like that.
"Despite media attention," Westwood et al. note, "political violence is rare..."
Almost as though stoking division was good for business and/or ideology.
no such thing as pomitical violence.
More Leftist reframing.
"It was a humiliating spectacle for the United States, indisputable evidence of Donald Trump's reckless self-absorption, and a fitting end to a ridiculous presidency."
Oh yes ... so glad we could get on with this glorious era of, er, more liberty with Biden. I can see why libertarians would rejoice.
I can see the TDS-addled asshole Sullum writing what we got here.
odd, I missed the " indisputable evidence."
It wasnt on NBC...
ps piss off sevo, were not discussing gay rights
As the village idiot where you live, you are incapable of 'discussing' anything.
Your adolescent inability to comprehend what you've read and your idiocy regarding many, many subjects has been noted.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Makes one wonder.... Why isn't literal treason... Obama sending the FBI and CIA after Trump and then directing people to leak a fake story so that they can overturn the election via impeachment - why isn't that "indisputable evidence of Barak Obama's reckless self absorption?".
I mean... He did in point of fact direct the FBI to spy on political opponents. And he did in fact direct at least 2 FBI agents to frame an incoming official for a crime (we have Sally Yates contemporaneous notes to that effect).
Why is he "the adult in the room?".
Biden was there as well. Rather than putting a stop to it, he chimed in and made suggestions on how they could further violate the law and the constitution.
How does that make him the grown up who restores trust?
Hell, he knew Flynn was set up and they were lying... He was in the room when they ordered the FBI to do it, after all. Yet he watched as an innocent man was bankrupted .. And he said nothing. What kind of sociopath does that? He watched that innocent man face decades in jail. And he sat silent, watching as they went after his son... Forcing him to accept a guilty plea to save his son.
Who does thst?
A better question.... Who knows all of that and still endorses this guy for president??? What kind of sociopath does that?
Makes one wonder.... Why isn't literal treason... Obama sending the FBI and CIA after Trump and then directing people to leak a fake story so that they can overturn the election via impeachment - why isn't that "indisputable evidence of Barak Obama's reckless self absorption?".
Maybe because that isn't literal treason, even if true?
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
"And I thought that you'd gotten it through your skull
What's figurative and what's literal
Oh but, just now, you said
You literally couldn't get out of bed
That really makes me want to literally
Smack a crowbar upside your stupid head"
-Weird Al, "Word Crimes"
It was absolutely literal treason, you child molesting piece of garbage
“And he did in fact direct at least 2 FBI agents to frame an incoming official for a crime (we have Sally Yates contemporaneous notes to that effect).”
Comey literally bragged about this on camera.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/17244088/piers-morgan-and-son-death-threats/
Trolls beware.
You are not anonymous.
This is idiotic.
The entire thing is a concoction of the propaganda machine. All of it.
Nobody supports killing innocent black citizens. Nobody supports burning cities. Nobody supports the actual BLM agenda. nobody supports Antifa. nobody supports white supremacy. Nobody is a white nationalist. Nobody supports overthrowing the government and installing a dictator.
(For extremely large values of nobody... But not infinitely large.)
You have to be a complete boob to think these pills are anything other than propaganda. I mean, only a knob can't see that.
Would you believe a poll that said "the majority of black men become rapists when they smoke pot"? Or how about "74% of Jews support using the blood of Christian children in religious rituals"?
No? Not buying those?
Yeah, those are real, historical libels actually published in the real press.... In living memory no less.
And yet you want to pretend that this time, it is different!!
Good lord, people can be obtuse.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1479177345164627973?t=UIszRF2RaA_czYzSr0o2Eg&s=19
On Jan 6 2021 the US retail gas price was $2.40
The dems have fucked up with Covid despite all their promises of “following the science”, so now they have to find something else to scare everyone about
This is fascist:
https://twitter.com/EricMMatheny/status/1479203108622327808?t=lm-6vI41zkphoeEgZNx_eQ&s=19
What’s the “missing context?” Did they not say these quotes word for word? [Link]
Leave the world
https://twitter.com/MemoryDaydream/status/1479267630137561089?t=nl8Sk7Zuh2yrM0J1U0Dj5g&s=19
Bill proposed by WA State Governor on J6 anniversary
Would make it illegal to spread "unfounded claims of voter fraud"
[Link]
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1479271629662392322?t=BmP67M4DmMrSsNHvtL9xKA&s=19
BREAKING: Tim Pool reportedly SWATTED, watch live [link]
https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1479279675868340224?t=scjmt5g7To6eIfSEj9DCGQ&s=19
Someone called Police and said they shot and killed two people and were going to kill more
Police were told not to enter without a warrant but said they didn't need one due to exigent circumstances.
This is a large house used as a production studio with many employees on site
https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/1479234127891214349?t=_JMSLgZ3A50gzrS15EXE_A&s=19
It turns out Tom Cotton predicted correctly -- Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the Boston bomber, did get a stimulus check. So we've adjusted the Pinocchio rating on this 2021 fact check. [Link]
No one will miss you
Are you upset that he is eviscerating your narrative or that what the leftist media published with was easily verifiable and still factually incorrect?
Leftists are beyond parody
https://twitter.com/HollyBriden/status/1479161717607206914?t=9LCjq_h4IiI0sKGgFQAsJA&s=19
On the left is my son on January 5th, 2021. On the right is him today. It’s a small difference but an important one - he literally hasn’t smiled for a year, since the day our country changed forever. #NeverForgetJanuary6th [link]
It's very well done though
It says "satire" in the bio.
That probably should have been obvious by the pictures, if only because I really could see a leftist using that kind of "that happened" story.
Yea, I've seen similar posts that weren't (intentional) parody. I enjoyed that one.
https://twitter.com/crimethinc/status/1479071449537261568?t=PuLV9lblaUtXvh7QseTukw&s=19
A full-scale uprising has broken out in #Kazakhstan in response to the rising cost of living. Now Russia has sent in troops.
In this interview, a Kazakh expatriate explores what drove people to revolt—and the implications for the region as a whole. [Link]
Totalitarianism
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1479309792199983108?t=cdvn6J79UUoRzVfLmf1klA&s=19
Hi @saribethrose! Why did you delete this?
[Link]
Hey, reason!!!
Why is it that Glenn freaking Greenwald is a better voice for liberty than your entire magazine combined??? How is that even remotely possible?!?!
A far-left expat living with his husband in Brazil has a better idea of what liberty looks like than the flagship libertarian publication?
Are you not embarrassed?? How are you not completely humiliated that Matt freaking Taibbi is a better voice for liberty? Good lord... At this rate you will be surpassed by Ben Sears.
^^^^^
I know the thread is dead, but this thousand times over.
"Why is it that Glenn freaking Greenwald is a better voice for liberty than your entire magazine combined??? How is that even remotely possible?!?!"
Welsh was the driver to open the office inside the beltway; pretty sure that explains things including my now $5.00 annual donation.
So.. Popular Podcast host Tim Pool got SWATed on air.
It is 4:17 am and thusfar, no mainstream publication has a story. Most rightwing blogs and news sources have at least a blurb. Bit not one news source recognized as such by google. And only one news source recognized by Bing... RT.
They are so concerned about political violence, freedom of the press and abuse of police authority..... That they can't be bothered to note when someone tries to trick police into shooting someone, presumably for political reasons.
No guns found, no real weapons, a couple of pen knifes.
No one charged with sedition
No one charged with insurrection
No one taken hostage
No organized plan, just complete chaos
Innocent people on the Mall arrested for just being there.
Most charges are for trespassing and document tampering.
It is called a riot.
Only fools deny reality.
We had months of political violence in the mid part of 2020, but we are seriously asking if 1/6/21 was the first shot in a civil war? The majority of what happened in the 8 months prior does not count as political violence to the extent that it is not even acknowledged in passing?
That is amazing, and not in a good way.
In the midst of thousands upon thousands of black civil rights protests, there was some violence, some of it caused by right-wing interlopers. But that's the normal course of things for America.
Only one group tried to violently overthrow the presidential election. Only one time in history. For the sake of the world's most obvious grifter. How embarrassing for you that you're making apologies for that treason.
Let's not make every day J6.
Post J6 article day after. Lmao.
"and a fitting end to a ridiculous presidency."
Getting ahead of yourself Sullum. Hope you're ready for 4 more years in 2024.
A right wing coup has been a favorite wet dream for liberals since at least the early 1960's. The movie 'Seven Days in May' is a good example.
In 2016 the left initiated their own coup.
We used to be able to say, “it’s a free country”, somehow knowing that would keep us on track even when people said things we didn’t want to hear. We can’t say that anymore.
We just watched the sitting president be prevented from addressing the nation and he and anyone else be censored, erased, banned and deplatformed for identifying real concerns about election irregularities.
The next civil war will be over our freedom, most obviously the first amendment, free speech.
If we are prevented from using our words to keep our country free, it’s going to get physical. We can’t do it alone. Talk about the need to remain free with your friends and neighbours. Join a militia with your friends recognizing that you’ll meet people with different life experiences and opinions but with a worthy common goal, freedom.
"Was the Capitol Riot Really the Opening Battle of a Civil War?"
No, it was an example of bad crowd control. You can see worse any time Manchester United plays.
What bugs me is the hypocrisy. People who spent the last four years screaming that the election was rigged, that Trump is illegitimate, and that we are on the verge of fascism now say that only a maniac would question the election results.
The capital has actually been attacked in the past. When gunmen shot 5 members of congress from the gallery, Carter commuted their sentences. When other leftists bombed the building, Clinton pardoned them or commuted their sentences.
All of these same people absolutely support storming or occupying government facilities and disrupting government business when the targets are republicans.
95% of January 6th was people walking through open doors, taking some selfies and gawking at the art, then wandering back out. The other 5%, who threw stuff, broke windows, and actually moved barricades need to be caught and punished, but deserve the same punishment a leftist typically gets for the same sort of offenses.
Another football analogy is how the democratic panic and histrionics over this seem a lot like when a football player gets accidentally touched by another player, and falls to the field, pretending to roll around in agony.
Thank you for the reassuring data, but it's worth remembering how few violent people are required to prevent normal functioning.
Consider the widespread threats to election officials that are still going on. It would only take a few thousand people out of 330 million to terrorize election officials into compliance or scare them into resigning, to be replaced by apparatchiks.
If Pence had done what Trump ordered him to then the coup would have succeeded. Eastman emailed him to tell him the mob was there because of Pence's disobedience. When the fate of the country hinged on as slender a reed as Mike Pence's backbone, it is too facile to dismiss 1/6 as a "tantrum".
Why would you even want that?
That would be a terrible outcome. It would be preferable to slaughter every leftist in this country to prevent that.
Well, this is coming from the guy who thinks that Milton Friedman was a socialist.
How could my statement be wrong? After all, according to you, pretty much everyone is a socialist, since the qualifications for NOT being a socialist are virtually impossible to achieve. Ergo, we Americans still have so much in common. Right?
Sorry, but replacing political appointees on government commissions is not exactly the same as "purging" ordinary Americans for being right-wing. Sorry, try again.
Good job with that lie, asshole.
Idiot
Friedman didn't understand business cycles and his warm over keynsian thinking on monetary policy was wrong. He got the cause of the depression wrong as well. Just never wanted to admit that central planners don't know what interest rates should be. In hindsight other than some superficial libertarian views he was horrible wrong. floating currencies didn't work did they?
So we don’t have to live with filthy scum like you?
So no, there isn't going to be a civil war, but there DOES need to be governmental, structural reforms.
How is what he said different from what you said?
The same reason the biggest people exodus occurs from states you support. Youre basically a locust living off the work of others.
You really think this is a game, don’t you?
Weird. You and aarc wanted to impeach Trump for firing politicial appointees.
The reforms that I envision do not include "dissolution of the Republic".
Liar. Everything the left has done for over a century has been to turn the republic into a democracy.
Yes, it is idiotic to think that Milton Friedman was a socialist.
jeff's not a leftist. Read what he writes, not what the trolls write about him.
Who cares about a bunch of aborigines?
The country that has used their military to lock down their population, and forces the invaded into camps. Yep, that’s Jeffy’s idea of ‘freedom’.
Stockpiles of machetes? You just need a high-capacity blade. Then you'll only have to carry one assault knife instead of a whole stockpile.
He has even admitted he likes team left more than team right, identifies with team left and generally agrees with team left. How is that not a leftist?
Lol. Supports CRT. Supports the killing of unarmed protestors on the opposite side of leftists. Wants government to provide charity if he feels individuals don't choose to donate enough. Supports vaccine mandates. Threatened government power if people didn't wear masks. Thinks parents have no say on what their kids are taught. Believes in government by a chosen elite.
He is more left than even you.
Jeff ultimately wants a one world government to force his wishes on others. He openly admitted he is a globalist.
He supported the socialists policy of UBI. It did itnunder the guise that welfare is inevitable, but he still supported it. It is a socialist policy.
More lies from the guy who wants to let illegal alien sexual predators into this country.
GG's crush on Tucker Carlson is entirely unseemly.
Is he even an American anymore?
It's interesting so many leftists keep insisting the Emperor has wonderful clothes even with Greenwald describing his cock.
These people are fools.
Damn well said Glenn! How many using the woke term "POC" did Cheney bomb into pieces? How many children droned into obliteration. All funded by a Congress who never declared war but kept the "good times a rolling" for the military industrial complex, goldman sachs, and the DC elites? Screw him, his daughter and that moron Jennifer "neocon" Rubin who is the "conservative" writers at WAPO like Max Boot because of their ethnicity and supporting any war that benefits a certain middle eastern state.
Another example of why GG gets $50 every year and Reason gets $0.
The Huffington Post's White House reporter S.V. Date said that it was wrong to compare 1/6 to 9/11, because the former — the three-hour riot at the Capitol — was “1,000 percent worse.”
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We will neverforget."Biden's agenda is popular. Russiagate isn't a thing, it's a weird obsession of a handful of what I can only assume are Russian useful idiots like GG and Taibbi. GG said Trump lost the election because of factors out of Trump's control, which is beyond absurd.
He's gone insane, and either it's because he watches FOX News (his favorite network to appear on) all day, or it's because he's on the payroll of the Kremlin.
GG has lost all credibility. I wish his conspiracy nut ramblings were true. I wish the Democrats had the intelligence and creativity to plant FBI and discredit the Republicans by causing 1/6. But that's stupid, and he's an insane asshat for peddling that crap. He thinks that nonsense merits more scrutiny than the insurrection itself. He's lost his damn mind.
Gotta be shitstain whose stupidity is legendary! Likely he's not lying in claiming HE saw that 3-hour protest as a danger to the republic! Trying to convince the rest of the world that the protest was a danger leaves the asshole exposed for the lying pile of shit he is.
Fuck off and die, shitstain; make your family proud and your dog happy.
I wish the Democrats had the intelligence and creativity to plant FBI and discredit the Republicans by causing 1/6. But that's stupid, and he's an insane asshat for peddling that crap.
Revealingly Greenwald does not assert Dems planted spies who caused the riot. As usual left wing extremists just invent whatever they wish were true.
Tony. Do you think the Whitmer kidnapping case is going well?
Greenwald’s exactly right here, and I don’t see you showing any different.
He implies that the FBI might have caused this and the attempted kidnap of Gov. Whitmer in order to justify increased government power, a la the War on Terra.
I was radicalized by the Bush regime too, but GG never stopped going off the deep end.
A lot of it is them refusing to admit they were duped for 5 years.
Bidens agenda is so popular his polling in surveys that are biased often by 3 points is under Trump lol.
why are you in a Reason site and not Salon, Slate, NY'er, or one of the crazy ass boshie sites that comes up on microsoft edge brings up? Seriously man you are in the wrong place...or maybe you just like a good argument..which I kind of respect.
“ Russiagate isn't a thing”
We knew that four years ago.
Who wrote that talking point? Good lord, that is stupid.
Biden doesn't even have an agenda... So you already sound like a nutter.
Nobody seriously thinks Biden is making the decisions. He has been around for decades. He is a known quantity. He has always been a center-right democrat who is pro-defense but defensive of the troops. Hell, he says the quiet part out loud... "They told me to say..". " I am not supposed to say..".
They even openly discuss tossing him overboard....
The dude didn't run on any of this stuff except being pro-illegal-immigration. He promised a centrist democrat administration. He promised working across the aisle. Not trillion dollar pork packages.
This is the AOC agenda. The BLM/CWP agenda.
Nobody supports any of it, outside of the press and partisan democrats in congress.
Swimmingly. One out of six is already in prison.
His poll numbers are down because he hasn't enacted all of his agenda fast enough.
Let me rephrase that..."Rubin who is the conservative writer at WAPO like Boot who got their job supporting killing hundreds of thousands of POC because of their ethnicity and supporting Israel. NYT and WAPO don't hire many Irish or Italian or Greek conservatives do they?
Been canceled everywhere else.
Progressives enforce a rather strict belief system.
Shitstain never gets a good argument; not required. He gets his face wiped in his lies, attempts some misdirection, comes back for more of the same a day later.
This is not a 'well' person this is some pathetic masochist you would never tolerate in meat-space.
He implies that the FBI might have caused this and the attempted kidnap of Gov. Whitmer in order to justify increased government power,
Wrong. He says they took advantage of this to increase their power and their (and the left generally) continued lying about it is part of this effort. He in no way says or implies the government initiated it.
This is your invention to try to discredit him. It's just amazing how left wingers lie even when the facts are right in front of everyone. They're so used to other leftists using their institutional control to reinforce any lie which benefits the left they are willing to lie even when everyone knows they are lying.
It's like they are incapable of recognizing they left campus and now have to accept reality is a real thing.
It's pretty well documented that the FBI had an oversized hand in developing the Whitmer plot. Buzzfeed broke that story. Are they a right wing conspiracy publication now too?
Even without the Whitmer plot, the FBI has a very long, sordid history of doing that sort of thing. The organization is rotten to the core. How many Muslim men got thrown in Gitmo because of the FBI's scummy investigative tactics?
Both Whitmer and Jan. 6 happened under the Trump administration, so I don't know what any of this has to do with "the left."
"...It's just amazing how left wingers lie even when the facts are right in front of everyone..."
Really isn't.
Tony, turd, the asshole Joe (and many others) will get called on their bullshit, with evidence, turn around an hour or a day later and repeat the same damn lie!
This is not a result of clever people trying to pass off lies, this is a collection of stupid people who, as Ken points out, do not care about being honest, nor do they care to pursue actual facts.
They are assholes spouting what ever lie they hope promotes their agenda, even if their face was wiped in it 20 minutes ago.
The asshole Nazi Misek keeps claiming no one ever dismantled his piles of shit 'evidence'. I have and so have others; he claims 'victory' and stalks off.
He's not alone among the other socialists.
Biden must think he is playing hearts with a “shoot the moon” strategy.
Pollster: do you like free stuff?
Voter: Sure!
Pollster: what if we have to raise taxes?
Voter: Fuck off
Tony: they said they loved free stuff!
His poll numbers are down because he embraces himself whenever he’s in public, he pooped his diapers in front of the pope, he’s clearly not aware of what his administration is doing, and all sane people know he sucks.
Your own party is undermining the legitimacy of the 2022 and 2024 elections because they already know they’re not going to like the results, just like 2016 was illegitimate cause Russia, 2004 was illegitimate because voting machines, and 2000 was illegitimate because we have a Supreme Court in the constitution.
If Trump were a democrat, Russiagate would be all you’d need to declare 2020 results invalid until the end of time.
This would make sense if only the Presidency were the sole source of power in the country, and if somehow we were frozen in time.
Does this pass as insightful around the drum circle? I bet it does. Cult recruiting is like that at first.
And then, after being caught flat footed, Tony tries to change the subject.
You are precious, Tony. You are like my neighbor's little dog who runs into the room when company is there, and yips and yaps until someone pets her- getting more and more excited until she finally pisses herself. Don't ever change. It is adorable.
You're talking about all the leftists in the FBI?
Ex-FBI lawyer admits to false statement during Russia probe
A former FBI lawyer pleaded guilty Wednesday to altering a document related to the secret surveillance of a former Trump campaign adviser during the Russia investigation.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-b9b3c7ef398d00d5dfee9170d66cefec
F.B.I. Agent Peter Strzok, Who Criticized Trump in Texts, Is Fired
Peter Strzok, the F.B.I. senior counterintelligence agent who disparaged President Trump in inflammatory text messages and helped oversee the Hillary Clinton email and Russia investigations, has been fired for violating bureau policies, Mr. Strzok’s lawyer said Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/politics/peter-strzok-fired-fbi.html
The Federal Bureau of Dirty Tricks
This month’s bombshell indictment of Igor Danchenko, the Russian national who is charged with lying to the F.B.I. and whose work turns out to have been the main source for Christopher Steele’s notorious dossier, is being treated as a major embarrassment for much of the news media — and, if the charges stick, that’s exactly what it is.
Put media criticism aside for a bit. What this indictment further exposes is that James Comey’s F.B.I. became a Bureau of Dirty Tricks, mitigated only by its own incompetence — like a mash-up of Inspector Javert and Inspector Clouseau.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/opinion/steele-dossier-fbi-trump.html?smid=tw-share
You want me to defend James Comey? The man responsible for Trump being president?
I’m just pointing out how disconnected from reality you are.
Do as you wish.
The man responsible for Clinton not having to split her time between campaigning and being tried for her security violations. Or, at least, for not forcing Lynch to do her own dirty work.
He was pretty pathetic, though: Enough of a toady to get her off the hook when told to, and not enough of a toady to refrain from making it clear that she was guilty as hell anyway. I guess he thought splitting the difference that way somehow preserved his integrity, when all it did was make him incompetent at being corrupt.
You're a regular bon vivant I'm sure.
The FBI has been sordidly involved in many a right-wing persecution program. The times they go after the domestic terrorists who are the actual threat to the country--not Muslims, and not communists--that's when I like them.
So... intentionally ignorant? Because it is falling apart.
No, that’s why they must BE stopped. That needs to become the daily conversation. Hand wringing gets nothing done.
It’s nothing compared to your crush on Tucker. We all know you’re desperate for him to fuck your asshole. You’re constantly raving about him.
Like Mr. Lunas?
I’ve got a machete with a pistol grip.
You are rather a detestable piece of shit.
Keep eating ass
Nobody should handle guns shitfaced. And sarc’s always shitfaced.
Definitely sensing a theme with Pod’s ranting this am.
My machete has the chainsaw attachment.
Name one.
So you’ve just admitted we’re right and you’re wrong.
Because you don't want educated libertarian commentary, you want a guy who flings poo at the people you hate while voting for left-wing policies you claim to despise.
"You'll own nothing, and be happy"
They're telling you their intentions, and we still have people here, and I'm talking about people not the leftists they send in, who are trying to act like the situation is relatively normal and not a phase shift to something much worse than we've ever known.
LOL
He decided that he's so old that he wants an actual legacy. Also, the parties have ideologically sorted, so he has no audience for so-called centrism. Go big or go home, that's what the Democratic base has been saying for decades.
I think any election in which the loser of the vote count gets power is illegitimate, but that's a personal preference.
Whatever stories you tell yourself are the stories you tell yourself.
It’s not like it’s a coincidence that democrats think the only legitimate elections are the only ones where they win.
It’s a made-up social narrative that they spin, even as they accuse people who doubt elections of being the worst enemies of everyone, in a laughably ridiculous self-serving hypocrisy that all non-crazy see through instantaneously.
That’s the problem with believing everything is any story you want to tell yourself: you can’t possibly know when you’re in a ridiculous authoritarian-worshiping cult.
I’m not confident this is the case, but still hopeful.
Remember when he advocated for known child rapists to have unrestricted entry into the US?
Jeffy also pretends his bullshit arguments have never been discredited. Even though they have been discredited literally a hundred times over. With Misek it’s the same.
It’s all subhuman trash like that will ever have. Shrill desperate lies, bleated out hysterically, over and over. Which is the centerpiece of the Democrat’s platform.
No one should be debating Tony. We should be locking him up as a traitor. Just like all the other Marxist true believers.
He’s also failed spectacularly at everything his administration has done. From the border to Afghanistan to the economy to China. Biden is a complete fucking failure.
I muted it. It’s just a repetitive idiot.
And now it’s time for your kind to go. Your best possible result is to leave now, and voluntarily. You really won’t like any of the alternatives.
My machete has the shoulder thing that goes up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNkIsP59pM
If Republicans ever managed to actually win the popular vote, I would begrudgingly accept their rule.