A Big, Dumb Machine
The problem in Afghanistan wasn't mere incompetence. The problem was a broken system.

It is common to chalk up America's failures in Afghanistan to incompetence, ignorance, or stupidity. Yet The Afghanistan Papers, by The Washington Post's Craig Whitlock, shows an American government that, although it had no idea what it was doing when it came to building a democracy in Afghanistan, did an excellent job manipulating the public, avoiding any consequences for its failures, and protecting its bureaucratic and financial interests. The problem was a broken system, not a generalized incompetence.
In 2016, Whitlock received a tip that the special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction (SIGAR) had interviewed hundreds of participants in the war, including top American and Afghan officials, military leaders, and outside consultants. When the paper tried to get its hands on the results, SIGAR fought it every step of the way; it took a three-year legal battle to get the documents. The Post then published them on its website—along with some related items, such as memos from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld—and those formed the basis of this book.
Ultimate responsibility must start on top. No matter what he told himself, President George W. Bush acted as a man who simply didn't much care what happened to Afghanistan beyond how it influenced his political fortunes. One of Rumsfeld's memos notes that in October 2002, Bush was asked whether he'd like to meet with Gen. Dan McNeil. The president asked who that was, and Rumsfeld answered that he was the man leading the war in Afghanistan. Bush responded that he didn't need to see him. The president was presumably preoccupied with the Iraq war he would launch five months later. (That is, he was preoccupied with selling the war. He didn't really think much about what the U.S. would be doing in that country either.)
The bureaucracy beneath the president comes across as a big dumb machine that was unclear about what it ultimately wanted, and whose different limbs sometimes worked at cross purposes. Many parts of that machine were extremely aware of how hopeless the mission was. As Gen. McNeil said, "There was no campaign plan. It just wasn't there." The British general who headed NATO forces in the country from 2006 to 2007 similarly remarked that "there was no coherent long-term strategy." American military personnel would be sent to Afghanistan on more than one occasion over the two decades of conflict and, in Whitlock's words, "the war made less sense each time they went back."
To fight the Taliban, the U.S. empowered brutal warlords, who would often rape and terrorize the local populations. One of the most prominent of these, Abdul Rashid Dostum, was such a destructive force that one American diplomat offered to make him the executive producer of a movie just to get him out of the country. At the same time, the CIA was paying him $70,000 a month. Whitlock's account includes an endless number of similar stories, in which one part of the American government was doing things that completely negated the actions of others. Anand Gopal's No Good Men Among the Living documented this on the ground, showing how the same individual might be an ally to the CIA and an enemy to the military, and how ultimately this hurt the Afghan people more than anyone else.
As of 2006, Afghanistan had one successful industry: growing up to 90 percent of the world's opium. Under pressure from the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) and members of Congress, and over the objections of the military, the Bush administration decided to start destroying those crops. This only fueled the insurgency, even as opium production increased. When the U.S. tried paying farmers not to grow opium, more had an incentive to start planting the crop—and many of them still sold the harvest on the open market anyway after taking American money. According to one official, "urging Karzai to mount an effective counternarcotics campaign was like asking an American president to halt all U.S. economic activity west of the Mississippi."
The Bush administration was convinced that opium was funding the insurgents. Yet even if it was, that wasn't a good reason to destroy the most successful industry in a country where the U.S. was trying to bring economic stability and growth. Helmand province, an area that had been quiet through the first few years of the conflict, erupted in insurgency only when NATO brought the drug war to the region. Legalizing the opium trade, which the Taliban had stamped out, seems like it would have been the perfect way to win hearts and minds and build the Afghan economy. But of course such a possibility was never seriously considered in a system more concerned with rules, procedures, and vested interests than actually winning the war.
Even more absurdly, many of those profiting from the drug trade were the warlords that the U.S. was using to fight the Taliban. Fahim Khan, a Tajik commander who was appointed defense minister after the U.S. invasion, became angry when he heard American forces had destroyed a drug lab in northern Afghanistan, only to be relieved to find out that they had actually eliminated his competition. American officials had to balance their desire for ending the opium trade with their need to placate leaders who often were also drug kingpins.
They faced a similar dilemma when they tried to go after corruption. Corruption made the government more dysfunctional, but fighting it often meant going to war with the very men the U.S. needed to keep order and fight the Taliban.
Each part of the American war machine had its own mission, and was going to do what it did regardless of the facts on the ground. The DEA wanted to destroy opium, the human rights bureaucracy pushed women's rights, and the military wanted to keep the war going. Nobody was there to force these disparate parts to work towards a common goal in a way that made sense. Theoretically, the president should have done so, but the American system clearly rewards political competence more than it does the ability to build stable democracies on the other side of the world. Often extremely self-aware, American officials were not as stupid or incompetent as they were self-interested cogs in a system filled with misaligned incentives.
While this system has an almost unlimited capacity to excuse egregious corruption and incompetence, it comes down hard when its own interests are threatened. In May 2009, Gen. David McKiernan was fired as commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, a historically rare event for a leadership class that almost never faces real accountability. McKiernan's misstep was being too honest with the media—he had told them the war was stalemated. He was replaced by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who could be relied upon to issue optimistic predictions. The violence in Afghanistan got worse, and McChrystal is now a well-regarded author and corporate consultant.
The transition from Barack Obama to Donald Trump shows how flexible the Pentagon could be to keep the war going. When working for the former law professor, the generals used more rhetoric about human rights and became experts at manipulating statistics to show how they supposedly were making people's lives better. Under Trump, they realized that they could maintain his support for the war by talking of victory and killing bad guys. In both cases, the generals successfully resisted a president who was skeptical about their mission. The military seemed relatively indifferent to whether it was spending its time building girls' schools or undertaking a more expansive bombing campaign, as long as it could keep the war going. Joe Biden watched the generals box in Obama, and he came into the White House determined not to be similarly manipulated.
The waste that accompanied the surge in the early Obama presidency is staggering. Of the $2.3 billion that the U.S. spent on the Commander's Emergency Response Program, which allowed commanders to spend on infrastructure projects, an audit found that only $890 million could be accounted for. It is unclear what good even that money did. In the words of one Special Forces advisor, "we were building schools next to empty schools," even when it was clear that the locals didn't want them. Whitlock attributes such waste to carelessness and to the nature of the mission; he does not consider American corruption as a possible explanation of how $1.4 billion disappeared. All the while, as the CIA bought off warlords and parliamentarians, Americans lectured Afghans leaders that their corruption was undermining the government.
Afghanistan is not the only place where American leaders have done a better job protecting their own interests than solving social problems. The U.S. government has morphed into a machine with the power and resources to destroy, but with little accountability and few if any mechanisms to ensure that its actions serve a greater purpose. Let's keep that in mind as the war machine pivots toward treating China as its main justification for large budgets and foreign entanglements.
The Afghanistan Papers: A Secret History of the War, by Craig Whitlock, Simon & Schuster, 368 pages, $30
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The U.S. government has morphed into a machine with the power and resources to destroy, but with little accountability and few if any mechanisms to ensure that its actions serve a greater purpose.
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Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden and in retrospect Fuck George Bush. W and HW.
Go back to Reagan and Carter, if you like. Carter's incompetence in foreign policy, if that isn't redundant, which got our Ambassador snuffed, among other things, and Reagan deciding that enabling fundamentalist Sunni Islam in SW Asia wasn't enough; let's see if we can sprout it in Central Asia too. Nixon was a little busy at the time, and may not have been able to interfere with it if he wasn't, but the King getting deposed in August 1973 was maybe the start of the troubles there.
'Recently', anyway.
Not a thing in this article about either Pakistan or its ISI. In an article purporting to lay blame for the 20 year Afghanistan debacle. Which shouldn't still surprise me, as long as I've been reading American media, but still... Sigh.
I'm sure the Chinese will repeat our mistakes there, LOL.
It's a shallow analysis, but consider the source. WaPo has sociopolitical leaning that impacts how their 'journalists' view stories, and how stories are presented.
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Scope creep....that is what doomed Afganistan. Killing the people responsible for 9/11 and those who aligned with them was fine. Then we should have left, and said, "fuck you all and you better hope we don't have to come back again". And come home.
Once we changed the mission scope, we were screwed.
No more nation building missions.
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Considering the trillions spent on this, ostensibly to have Bin Laden killed, imagine the outcome if the US had placed a $100B bounty on Bin Laden’s head instead of all it did. I’m guessing someone would have cashed that in. No dead Americans on Afghani soil, no large numbers of dead Afghanis, no fake culture for 20 years requiring hundreds of thousands to be relocated around the west. One may complain, “But you’d leave the Taliban in power?” Biden allowed them to take the place back during his abandonment.
It's almost comical to look back at the first Bush/Gore debate, before 9/11 happened, and see how the two candidates specifically talked about the use of military force in "nation building."
https://youtu.be/HwQBeMUj_ps?t=2332
Don’t need to view, I recall Bush saying the military was not to be used for nation building. Who cares what Gore said, he was and is delusional.
Bring back the punitive expedition.
Be careful what you wish for... CONUS punitive expeditions may indeed become a thing again.
Yeah, one need only look at the labor wars of the late 19th-early 20th century to see that government and business don't have any issue with cooperating to put down what they deem to be insurrectionary elements against their interests.
The waste that accompanied the surge in the early Obama presidency is staggering. Of the $2.3 billion that the U.S. spent on the Commander's Emergency Response Program, which allowed commanders to spend on infrastructure projects, an audit found that only $890 million could be accounted for. It is unclear what good even that money did.
When you realize that the "waste" was the whole point of the war, the whys and the wherefores of Afghanistan become much clearer. We weren't there to win a war, we were there to make a shitload of people rich.
As usual, Jerryskids hits the nail right on the head, and through the fucking board.
Compare the per capita income of the counties surrounding D.C. in, say 1995, vs. now. We don't get Imperial Washington without these wars.
NYC and SF were the richest areas for decades. The enrichment of DC is the crime that no one brings up. ALL of the 2.3 BN went to line their pockets, even the ‘non-corrupt’ portion of the funding. De-fund the Federal Govt!!!
Most definitely this.
It isn't that everyone in government is a grifter. Indeed, too many in government are charismatic ideologues. They sell the country on a noble idea like ending terror or democracy in caves. But working for them, and nudging them on are the grifters. They see the opportunity when it arises and jump on in to spend our trillions.
"Yet The Afghanistan Papers, by The Washington Post's Craig Whitlock, shows an American government that, although it had no idea what it was doing when it came to building a democracy in Afghanistan, did an excellent job manipulating the public, avoiding any consequences for its failures, and protecting its bureaucratic and financial interests."
Mission Accomplished!
Really, since expecting a bloated, self-serving bureaucracy to do anything besides promote itself, and maybe some partisan goals du jour, is either retarded--or part of the current partisan in-crowd.
The US actions in Iraq have proved more successful. Bush is to be commended for negotiating a withdrawal, and Obama for seeing it through. Iraqis for their participation in the purple thumb elections. The US, Iraqi, Kurdish, Iranian, Hezbollah cooperation in cleaning up the ISIS mess in Mosul.
I was pleased that Biden actually ordered the withdrawal from Afghanistan. I was sure he'd be persuaded by his advisors to have another kick at the can, as were Obama and Trump. I learned only recently though from Woodward's book that Biden was a long time skeptic on Afghanistan and argued against Obama, Clinton and the military brass.
"...and Trump..."
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Trump has never, will never, do (or say) ANYTHING wrong! Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo, has SPOKEN! All Hail!
Fuck off, sarcasmic and take your spastic trollingsock with you.
That’s because he absolutely hasn’t done anything wrong, you fucking liberal puke. He is infallible and also the sexiest man on the planet. You’re just jealous of his pectoral muscles and the obvious size of his cock. Get over it!
Fuck off, sarcasmic and take your spastic trollingsock with you.
You learned what Woodward wanted you to read. Then senator Biden voted to invade Afghanistan. President Biden extended an agreed upon withdrawal deadline.
Biden has threatened China over Taiwan, Russia via Blinken via NATO via eastern Europe, none of which are American, and has threatened the US population. Maybe he should get a Nobel peace prize like his pal Obama.
" Then senator Biden voted to invade Afghanistan"
He was a voice of skepticism while vice president according to Woodward's book.
"President Biden extended an agreed upon withdrawal deadline."
President Biden withdrew the forces from Afghanistan, to my surprise.
according to Woodward's book
Which was exposed as horseshit over the last three months. Anyway, Biden's impassioned warmongering speeches for the Afghanistan invasion are still all over YouTube. So unless you think that they've all been deepfaked, it shows how garbage the claim he was a skeptic is.
Oh, and here's a little video of a Biden speech on Capitol Hill I'd be interested in seeing you dismiss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvAMERxqog
Biden was Vice President during the Obama administration. He was in on the discussions about Afghanistan along with Obama, Clinton and military leaders. According to Woodward's book he was critical of the US involvement in Afghanistan. It seems he had second thoughts, reversing his initial approval as Senator. It seems incredible, I know, hence my surprise at his actual withdrawal of troops after he became president. But Woodward's book filled in some of the gaps and gave my a more complete picture.
Critical ten years later when everyone was critical ten years later, including some of the Bushies, and having second thoughts when everyone was having second thoughts, is totally unremarkable. It just shows his ability to wrestle his way to the front of every parade.
And it still doesn't change the fact that he banged the war drums louder than anyone back in 2001-2002.
I think you missed my point. Biden was vice president under Obama and during discussions with Obama, Clinton, (Hillary Clinton was the hawkish secretary of state) and top military advisors, Biden was the voice of skepticism on matters Afghanistan while the others were in favor of staying the course. That's according to Woodward's latest book. I hadn't read the book until after the withdrawal, and until I did, I'd assumed that Biden would find a way to wiggle out of any agreement, persuaded by the military to stay put, as Obama and Trump had done.
Trump and the Taliban set the deadline that Biden weaseled out of.
Biden is president. Trump isn't. Biden ordered the withdrawal. Trump didn't. I was pleased and surprised that Biden withdrew the troops. I had thought that he would be persuaded, as were his predecessors, to keep them there. A few extra months in Afghanistan is regrettable but it's lost in a sea of regrets over the past 20 years of involvement.
To be fair, the Taliban pretty much ordered the Biden botched abandonment. Abrandonment might be the word. Biden had unilaterally violated the agreement between the US and the Taliban to leave. And innocent folks paid with their lives as a result of Biden choosing to ignore that agreement. It was disastrous because Biden wanted to spike the football on Sept. 11 for a press event. He wanted to mumble his way through a speech about how he and Bush invaded Afghanistan, he and Bush set up a (temporary puppet) democracy, he and Obama ruled over the place for eight years. And he wanted to speak more about how the Taliban wasn’t gonna take over. How there would be no Saigon moment in Afghanistan. But the Taliban began enforcing the agreement that had been made. Biden did manage to drone strike murder innocent children on the way out, just to let folks know that he is indeed the same Biden that supported going there in the first place. It was like Matt Millen was running things.
"the Taliban pretty much ordered the Biden botched abandonment"
That comes with the territory when you lose a war. The winner sets the terms. All things considered, the Taliban have been pretty generous with the US, at least. Had they chosen they could have made the withdrawal much more costly. The worst of it came not from the Taliban, but ISIS who were never party to any agreement and never involved in the negotiations, Back in the 19th century thousands of British lost their lives in the relatively short retreat from Kabul due to Afghan attacks.
Biden was kinda stuck between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea...
'1) Listen to intelligence, much of which said the Afghan government and troops were a house of cards, and would fall apart as NATO withdrew. Fly Afghan allies (individuals) out on there... And promptly be accused of not even TRYING to hold the line! Joe, you BASTARD! Self-fulfilling prophecy!!! By saying they would fail, you MADE them fail!
'2) Ignore intelligence, and try to hold the line... And fail! And NOT rescue as many of our allies as we could have (or pullout as much war material either). Which is what we did...
'3) Split the baby? Hold the Taliban to their word, of compromising with the NATO-supported Afghan government, at the peripheries? As we withdraw from peripheries? If they don't hold their words at peripheral cities and towns, only THEN start mass pull-outs in the capital? MIGHT have worked better, who knows? OR domestic arm-chair warriors and chicken hawks in the USA could have used THAT (resulting messes) to keep us mired in there!!!
Well the hell with it; YEAH!!! We are OUT!!!! Now STAY out of nation-building in shitholes!!!!
The withdrawal deadline was May. Biden unilaterally extended it so he could have a photo shoot happy moment on Sept 11, 2021 to stroke his ego. His botchery along the way included not communicating with allies, not extracting US citizens early, not developing an implementable plan to address the future of Afghani friendlies, abandoning Bagram literally in the middle of the night, allowing military hardware to fall into the hands of the Taliban, allowing thousands of high risk prisoners to go free in July and drone strike murdering an aid worker, innocent children and other people.
If you want to give Biden a handy, that is your choice. But it doesn’t change his awful record regarding Afghanistan.
"But it doesn’t change his awful record regarding Afghanistan."
Nothing you said changes the fact that it was Biden, to my pleasant surprise, that had the US troops withdrawn from Afghanistan. and no one else. I was surprised how smoothly it went, and expected much worse. When the British withdrew from one of their Afghan adventures, thousands were killed and only one man, an army doctor on whom Conan Doyle modeled Watson. I feared something similar would happen under Biden, which never happened.
Afghani is a unit of currency, by the way. If you want to refer to a person hailing from Afghanistan, the word 'Afghan' will do fine. The fact you still don't know this after some 20 years of war with the place and 1000s dying speaks volumes to the failure of the sorry debacle.
The guy from Kabul I worked with used it. Bother him. I once pressure washed his deck for a free cord of wood.
So your perspective is based on British fiction? Lol.
What isn’t funny is British reality. Such as Biden refusing to share plans with them (he didn’t have any) and giving them bad intel. It was so bad their parliament voted to censure him.
Biden helped get the US there. Biden helped keep the US there. Then Biden kept us there longer. When the Taliban said it was time to go, he botched the shit out of it. And some Americans are still there due to Biden. With there names given to the Taliban by Biden. A vote of no continence and a vote of no competence.
"The guy from Kabul I worked with used it."
He probably picked it up from ignorant Americans. Afghani is a currency.
"It was so bad their parliament voted to censure him. "
They should have censured him when he was a senator voting to invade Afghanistan. That's Biden's worst act. Forget about the night goggles, and delayed withdrawal etc.
"So your perspective is based on British fiction? Lol. "
British invasions of Afghanistan really took place according to history books. One particular fiasco left only one British survivor who served as the inspiration for Dr. John Watson, the side kick of Sherlock Holmes in the stories of Conan Doyle.
The Brits were there to support the US. This wasn’t WW2. They didn’t need to participate. And Biden kept folks helping him in the dark about Bagram, kept folks in the dark about the field intelligence he was ignoring so he could focus on his Sept. 11 press conference and chose not to coordinate with anyone once the Taliban had advanced around Kabul. To be fair to Biden, he was taking a vacation at Camp David when his failed plans were exposed to the world. He did manage to blame Trump, then the locals, then state it was four days ago and finally went with “Nobody knew.” With humility of course.
Not many believe that Sherlock Holmes ever did exist. More and more are coming to the unfortunate realization that Biden does.
If hurt British feelings and a missed 9/11 photo opp for Biden are the worst you can say about withdrawing from a lost and futile war of 20 years, it's clear the US came off lightly, partisan posturing notwithstanding.
I was surprised how smoothly it went, and expected much worse.
Smoothly leaving hundreds of Americans and Afghan allies, and billions in equipment behind is gross, even criminal incompetence.
Let’s go Brandon!!
Hundreds is better than thousands, and the equipment was junk.
Tens of Thousands of M 4 carbines with optics are hardly junk.
Along with thousands night vision goggles.
And tons of u s manufactured ammunition.
Not worth the time and effort it would take to ensure their safe return home. ie junk.
I was surprised how smoothly it went, and expected much worse.
Woof, talk about low expectations.
" Bush is to be commended for negotiating a withdrawal, and Obama for seeing it through."
Wait, what did Obama see through? Because as far as I know, we are still in Iraq.
If we are really going to commend assholes who start several wars (c.f. Bush, Obama) we should at least expect that, you know, they exit them.
Only one president in the past 30 years declined to entangle us in a new war. And, god help me, that is the Tangerine Dream, Trump himself.
There are dozens of things to hate trump for. But to praise Bush/Obama for their war record while giving no credit to trump? That is idiocy.
"Because as far as I know, we are still in Iraq."
Get used to it. Still in Canada, Germany, Japan, Korea, Norway, Kuwait and dozens of other places.
Bush's second term was better than his first. 9/11 completely discombobulated him.
The problem with the embarrassingly botched, deadly and war criminal withdrawal from Afghanistan can be summed up in two words:
Joe Biden
Night googles.
Night mask. He napped through a lot of it.
That's nine words.
Night mask is just two. Context was provided for you. The libertarians here didn’t need it though.
Demented moron.
The good thing about being a Trump supporter like me was that I could call Donald Trump a great peacemaker while he talked about getting out of Afghanistan, but then talk about what an appeasing nincompoop Biden was for actually doing it. God, when I think about how the Afghanistan withdrawal was handled and the way The Glorious One would have handled it— which would have been much, much better and probably involving a great golden Trump branded hotel— this fills me with a very righteous fury. Is it Fuck Joe Biden or is it Let’s Go Brandon. As a Trump supporter I have very
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He must be well into the Everclear by now.
He mixes it with Moxie to make it last longer.
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Can you Tell me exactly what it is as a liberal that bothers you so much about my poobah? Is it the grandmother I’d like to Fuck vibe of his Slovakistanian prostitute wife or the sterling examples of his brood that make you so obviously jealous? It’s so obvious that this is coming from a place of envy and want on your part instead of a genuine appraisal of the Glorious One’s policies or his demeanor— which have been amazing and wonderful, respectively.
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Trump's Big Lie and Hitler's: Is this how America's slide into totalitarianism begins?
Trump = Jesus...
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661
President Trump: 'I am the chosen one'
The only thing I agree with in your post is the last sentence. The obvious corollary is that Biden= Hitler. That’s axiomatic, I’m sure you agree.
When I think of historical examples of times where an oppressed people finally kicked an imperialist army out of the country I can’t find any examples of where the oppressed didn’t appropriately bloody the invading army. You know why? The invaders weren’t led by Donald Trump. Obvious.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/mypillow-guy-mike-lindell-punts-timeline-for-trump-retaking-power-as-august-conspiracy-theories-get-wackier
MyPillow Guy Punts Timeline for Trump Retaking Power as Conspiracy Theories Get Wackier
https://www.salon.com/2021/08/22/mike-lindell-still-in-trumps-good-graces-has-new-prediction-reinstatement-by-new-years/
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'Bush acted as a man who simply didn't much care what happened to Afghanistan beyond how it influenced his political fortunes.' So, like a career politician, bureaucrat, administrator? Whitlock acts much like a 'journalist' who seems to think he knows the mindset of people because it fits his narrative.
Bush acted as a man who simply
didn't much care what happened to Afghanistan beyond how it influenced his political fortunes.' took care of the Saudi Royal Family first and foremost. (Both of them)Saudi Royal Family first and foremost. (Both of them)
Hey everyone:
Here is my rankings of US Presidents:
1. Donald Trump
22. Grover Cleveland
46. Joe Biden
The rest I’ve forgotten or they were too boring to look up. How do you guys rank any other Predidents besides Joe Biden and Donald Trump. I think it goes without saying that my rank of Donald Trump and Joe Biden are correct.
Speaking of rankings, who'll be sarcasmic's best girl today? White Mike is always a favorite, but recently sarc's been flirting with Sara Lee's Buttplug.
Here's a list of the four lucky contestants and their sockpuppets:
Moderation4ever, Tony, Mike Laursen, White Knight, De Oppresso Libre, Sarah Palin's Buttplug, chemjeff critical individualist, killallredneck's, Queen Amalthea, Brandybuck, Lord of Strazele, JFree, Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland, raspberrydinners and AmericanSocia1ist.
Remember, we're not including SQRLSY One and DONALD TRUMP is my poobah because for sarc that's masturbation.
Yeah, the hard one for me is whether Donald Trump or Richard Nixon deserves the #1 slot more. I know it’s not a question for you, but I think you don’t give Nixon enough consideration.
Here's my ranking of your socks
-1. Sarcastrated
-2. Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump is my poontang
-3. SQRLSY eats shit.
Ultimate responsibility must start on top.
No. Ultimate responsibility starts with those who choose who will represent them as Prez and critter. We are the broken part of the constitutional republic. We are the ones who choose not to hold anyone accountable for anything. We are the ones who make stupid choices when we choose to vote purely on the basis of a party letter and then rationalize the stupidity by demonizing the other party letter. We are the ones who prefer a volunteer standing army so that someone else chooses to get involved and everyone else pretends that we can ignore everything and still pretend that whatever happens is great. Not our problem. Move along.
So we should push for a war crimes trial in Afghanistan for Biden’s drone strike that murdered innocent lives including children. This would make those contemplating future botchery (butchery?) think twice if they want to avoid capital punishment sentences.
We should ALSO push for war crimes trials for ALL of the voters who voted for War Criminals Parties "R" and "D", which committed these war crimes! Only "L" Party is innocent!!! Only "L" voters should escape the wraths of the trials-makers!!!
this all goes back to Truman and post cold war (and to some extent FDR's moronic view of the post war world). The CIA has had a long run of failures both in intelligence and actions. The org should be shut down. American military operations over 30 days should demand a declaration of war period. Interventionism should be stopped. When Bush said 911 was his generation's Pearl Harbor I knew he was going to start invading countries which is what the neocons wanted. His inferiority complex needed something to allow him to prove to himself his avoidance of Vietnam was absolved in his mind. The Federal Govt has become what the French army was before WWI..a series of cliques which hate each other but align for continued funding..that is all. If the US gets into a large conflict we will fail just like the French did in WWI
Some sense here. Our military IS like the French before WW1, except ours is focused on diversity, inclusion, and equity in addition to the perks of power.
You know who else did an excellent job manipulating the public, avoiding any consequences for failures, and protecting bureaucratic and financial interests when it came to governing occupied territories ?
Stalin?
One thing I have never understood about Dick Cheney type conservatives is why they decry social engineering in the domestic arena, but love it so much in foreign countries, where it makes much less sense than it does here in the U.S. You are basically setting up a socialist type bureaucracy in another country, with the thought of somehow improving it. Now the children are starving. When there is a real and immediate need, help is no where to be found.
The warboners here seem to like domestic restrictions on liberties as well.
Close all foreign military bases.
The problem with the war was not incompetence. The withdrawal was pure incompetence, Biden and his administrations incompetence.
Reason spinning for their homeboy Joe.
The problem was government?!? GTFOH!!