Austrian Politicians Say Vaccines Are the Key to Ending the Pandemic. They're Also Ordering the Vaccinated Back Into Lockdown.
The latest restrictions come less than a week after the country ordered its unvaccinated population into lockdown.

Austria has announced a nationwide lockdown, travel restrictions, and forthcoming populationwide vaccine mandate—the first in the European Union.
Austrian Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg has said these extreme measures are regrettable but necessary to both contain a record surge in reported COVID-19 cases and encourage the one-third of Austrians who are unvaccinated to get the jab.
"There are too many political forces in this country, that have campaigned against [vaccination]. The consequences of this are overfilled intensive care stations and enormous human suffering," said Schallenberg, reports English-language Austrian news site The Local. "This decision does not come easily to us. None of us enjoys bringing in measures that put limits on freedom."
Austria reported 15,000 new COVID-19 cases yesterday, a record that's well above last year's winter peak of 9,262 daily reported cases, according to the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering's dashboard. The country reported 55 COVID-19 deaths yesterday, which is about half the daily deaths reported during last year's winter peak.
This latest lockdown follows an order issued Monday that barred unvaccinated Austrians from public settings like restaurants, bars, and some retail stores. They were only allowed to leave the house for essential business like grocery shopping and medical appointments, or to go to work (provided they had a negative test result).
At the time, Schallenberg insisted that his aim was "very clearly to get the unvaccinated to get themselves vaccinated and not to lock down the vaccinated."
But according to The Local, local governments started to impose additional vaccine requirements and general lockdowns earlier this week, while the national politicians toyed with harsher countrywide measures.
Salzburg and Upper Austria are heading into another loxckdown next week.
Just waiting for the press conference to begin, it's delayed but we should hear from Salzburg's governor on details soon https://t.co/kFsTY63grn— Catherine Edwards (@CJREdwards) November 18, 2021
The country's latest lockdown will close bars, restaurants, most retail stores, and other public settings like the country's famed Christmas markets. Essential businesses like grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open, as will schools, although students will be required to wear masks, says The Local. Students are also encouraged to switch to home learning if they can.
Tourist travel to the country is also now prohibited.
The government is still working out the legal and practical details of its nationwide vaccine mandate, which it plans to impose in February. The country's health minister has said it would be enforced with administrative fines.
COVID-19 interventions that apply to the vaccinated are often criticized for disincentivizing people from getting vaccinated at all. Why go get a shot you're already reluctant to take if you're still going to have to wear a mask inside?
That criticism doesn't neatly apply to Austria given that the country is now simply requiring people to be vaccinated—no incentives needed!
Nevertheless, the mandate is already provoking a political backlash from the country's right-wing Freedom Party. It's been critical of the country's previous lockdowns and is planning to protest the new restrictions this weekend, reports Reuters.
Taken together, the lockdown and general vaccine mandate are about as authoritarian a pandemic response as you could get absent government officials literally sealing people inside their homes. It's also an approach that's hopelessly contradictory.
Austrian government officials continue to assert that the only way to arrest this wave, and future ones, is to get everyone vaccinated. They are nevertheless requiring that even the vaccinated shelter in their homes now.
The only possible justification for that would be to lower overall COVID-19 transmission by preventing vaccinated, but infectious, people from spreading the disease to their unprotected countrymen. That was seemingly already accomplished by the earlier (still extreme) lockdown targeting the unvaccinated.
The government's lockdown is an incredibly paternalistic response. Those who have decided not to get vaccinated are generally not making a wise decision, but it's largely only themselves and other voluntarily unvaccinated people they are putting at risk of severe illness or death. Locking down the whole country to protect them is like taking all the cars off the road to save people who refuse to wear a seatbelt.
Austria's general lockdown is scheduled to last for 10 days and could be extended for as long as 20 days, reports the Associated Press. The lockdown restrictions for the unvaccinated could be extended for longer if deemed necessary.
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Dear Jesus!
Vaccines cure it all; ALL must have vaccinated!
But even the vaccinated MUST OBEY Der UberBoogerBahnFuhrer, who says that... NEVER let a GREAT emergency go to waste, when growing (and growing and growing and GROWING) Government Almighty POWERS!!! ALL HAIL Government Almighty POWERS!!!
Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just get vaccinated and you can get back to normalz!
Just get vaccinated and you can get
back to normalz!boosters!Hopefully we'll be able to get at-home boosters. We'll all know the plight of diabetics as we inject ourselves daily to avoid the darkness of such a deadly disease.
Synthetics wear out quickly
And how much of those new cases are the direct result of testing, not hospital admissions; and how much more testing is there than a year ago?
One of these statistics is not like the other. Sure is convenient to have cherries to pick.
Their Covid dashboard indicates to me that they are worried about hospitals/ICU (not deaths). 900 acute care beds left and less than 100 ICU beds. But still - they actually do have 'room' in their ICU's if they choose to eliminate all non-ER surgery. But of course those folks are most likely vaxxed - and having the unvaxxed push everyone else out of hospital seems to be a really difficult thing for people to understand. And solve.
If only there was a way to get a little more capacity for people who are having a killer case of the flu, like Colin Powell had.
Like it or not - Colin Powell was tested positive for covid one week before and was only hospitalized for a couple days before he died. And that is very typical for the rare killer breakthroughs - old, tons of problems, ends quickly.
A younger unvaxxed person may be there for one month. If they survive that's great obviously. But still - is that equivalent to 10-15 other ICU patients who don't get treatment?
Nobody has been denied treatment.
This makes Jfree sad
They need to start denying treatment. Freedumb isn't free. They also need to start weeding the stupid out of schools, and the corrupt out of politics. No country should be held hostage by unvaccinated people. Who gives a fuck about the negative impacts, just get the shot. I've been informed on this forum that there are literally zero risks associated with vaccination.
Nobody has been denied treatment.
EVERY state that has either invoked crisis standards of care or has been at that point even if they didn't choose to invoke that - has had hospitals deny treatment to emergency patients. And yes thousands of people have died because of that. That is the major part of the excess deaths that occur when hospitals get full. Most of those people never make the news - some do get their story told but remain quite dead.
Are most of them fat too, JSlave?
Probably at least a third of them.
Reasoning coldly and perhaps unfairly strictly from statistical correlations we could guess more, given the ~30 point jump in anti-vax sentiment among Trump voters and associated 50% greater mortality plus the separate persistent correlation between obesity and R voting.
"Nobody has been denied treatment."
Of course hospitals in many regions have *said* they have been forced to ration care, impose crisis care standards etc. at different times. And have reported so-called "mortality" rates climb the busier hospitals are.
But your crucial point is that this is only true if you believe doctors and hospitals – the *last* people we should be trusting, for obvious reasons. People who have already been caught colluding to defraud with inflated statistics on covid cases and deaths all over the world.
Hospitals always work at capacity, pandemic or otherwise. They are businesses and empty beds cost money. When your hospitals are overfull you build more hospitals. When your hospitals are empty you consolidate. That's how it works. Capacity changes to meet demand. That's how free markets work.
Scared? YOU stay home. YOU wear a mask. YOU get the Government shot.
"And how much of those new cases are the direct result of testing"
looks like 10+x more testing today, at least per OWID.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-daily-tests-vs-daily-new-confirmed-cases-per-million?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-11-19..latest&country=~AUT
Just two weeks to flatten the curve, people.
"Austrian politicians...[are] ordering the vaccinated back into lockdown"
To be honest, Austrian politicians do have a reputation for locking up people they think are threatening the Deutsche Volk.
0kay, okay, I'll turn myself in for an egregious violation of Godwin's Law.
You know who else triggered Godwin's Law?
Kyle Rittenhouse?
But you failed to mention ordering the unvaxxed to wear gold stars
I object because you beat me to it.
In early 2020 I would read about some country, or some other part of our country, having covid restrictions and think, "Glad I don't live there." But then those restrictions came to my area. I'm glad I don't live in Austria, but perhaps soon I will be.
Yeesh. These pols just cannot bring themselves to remain focused. Four simple words - No hospitals for you!
Fucking sick monster
Go crank to your Joseph Gerbils fantasies elsewhere you sociopathic shit.
Good. Want societal goods? Be a part of society then. Otherwise fuck off to the woods and enjoy your freedom.
I have no problem getting "societal goods" as long as the delusional and the Tyrants get out of the way. Oh and the Chicken Shits.
Now do pre-gay rights. Now do pre-women's rights. Just sit down and listen to their betters then too?
Also, fuck off slaving progshit.
Risk = Choice.
In America
Among the unvaxxed: how many have had the disease and feel they are, rightly or wrongly, protected? What is the actual protection factor for them? I know the evolution of the virus changes things, but what is truly the infection rate for them? I don't really know, and the CDC has not been truly transparent on this. Me and my family caught the virus early on, and have since been vaccinated.
There are 90+ studies showing that natural immunity to covid is superior to the immunity conferred through the vaccines.
ADL, how about a link or two?
"Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article
"Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death..."
Also, natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
and natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination.
A 72 person study, all participants recruited from the same university. I wouldn't base policy off of this.
Here, have another small (but bigger than yours!) study (162 hospital workers from eastern France) with the opposite finding: "Antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were detected in virtually all hospital staff sampled from 13 days after the onset of COVID-19 symptoms."
Want a cite? Just look at footnote 5 from your study.
This is literally the opposite of reality you deluded fuckwit. Political scientism is poison.
I doubt the unvax are any more 'previously exposed' than the vax. They may believe they were but they may also believe in the Easter Bunny too.
At this point the unvax are overwhelmingly Republican and/or young. I can see no reason at all why those two demographics were particularly exposed to the virus in 2020. There are very clear reasons OTOH to see why they are unvax - the young believe they are invulnerable and the Republicans believe this is justtheflu.
No wonder you want them to be denied hospital services. Not your “team”.
Since they are all one voting block that the democrats want to beat, and this virus is so virulent, let nature thin the herd. Obviously it isn't working, so we have to keep doing something.
I don't give a shit about 'team'. The last time I voted for 'the winning team' (Prez level) was 1984. My vote didn't make a damn bit of difference then either. Amazingly your vote has never made a damn bit of difference either. But you somehow think you matter and that your team 'membership' matters. You're a fucking idiot.
What I despise is the perpetually stupid, and the chronic liars and frauds. If you're pissed because you think I'm attacking 'your team', then you are pretty much just admitting that you are stupid, a liar, and a fraud.
You must despise yourself then.
No, you are wholeheartedly deepthroating that big blue donkey dick of talking points. Definitely a team player there.
"If you vote, you have no right to complain." George Carlin.
Actually blacks lead the unvaxed percentage.
Please don't try to spin this into something political
> At this point the unvax are overwhelmingly Republican and/or young.
Austrian Republicans?
The reason those two demographics were particularly exposed to the virus is because they didn't engage in social distancing or masking either.
You know which other Austrian scowled for the cameras while busy ordering whole segments of society into lockdown?
Ludwig von Mises?
"...As of Friday, Spectrum had 300-plus inpatients with COVID in their Grand Rapids and satellite hospitals in Big Rapids, Ludington, Hastings, Reed City, Fremont, Greenville and Zeeland.
Among the data points:
85% of Spectrum’s COVID inpatients are unvaccinated.
94% of COVID patients in Spectrum’s intensive care units are unvaccinated.
All but one of the COVID patients on a ventilator as of Wednesday were unvaccinated.
Vaccinated patients are are averaging a day or two shorter hospital stay.
The average age of ICU vaccinated patients is about 75 compared to about 50 for unvaccinated patients in ICU.
Average age of vaccinated people who go on a vent is about 30 years older than ventilated patients who are unvaccinated..."
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/11/94-of-its-covid-patients-in-icu-are-unvaccinated-spectrum-health-says.html
How many of those you curse as "unvaccinated" had previously had covid. My guess: none.
You'd absolutely be wrong. Whether virus-induced or vaccine-induced, no 'immunity' has EVER been absolute. And there have been very few studies that can actually compare the two.
One such study was just published a couple weeks ago in MMWR. Correct or incorrect, it is actual research and evidence. Do you have actual evidence beyond a campaign stump speech for a governor or somesuch?
Wdym evidence, you ignore anything contrary to your panic porn narrative. Go hide alone.
The average BMI is...
Massage those numbers some more and make a sandcastle, Barbie Jack. Still not gonna get more members waving in for your panic porn circle jerk.
The writer leaves out critical information, in the original information releases from the Austrian government people are divided into the immune and the not immune, not the vacinated and the unvaccinated. That is an american false grouping.
Austria considers those who are immune from recovery to be in the immune group, along with those who took synthetic vaccines.
Seig Heil! Soon the little corporal with the brush mustache will be finished with the unvaxxed, sending them off to the work camps.....
Arbeit Macht Frei!
How soon before Austria annexes Poland and Hungary? Then of course there's the low countries. Plenty of unvaxxed there. Lots of rioting .....a threat to the security of the Motherland.
Hang a picture of der Fuhrer on the wall and goose step along the way.La,La ,La.
Won't it be fun. Reasserting Austria's global leadership one bomb at a time. Will need to burn the Reichstag a second time though.
I doubt these leaders will make the cover of Time magazine like the previous dictator had.
They can try though...grow a little mustache put on a uniform with a swastika and goose step around the city.
This doesn't sound shrill at all.
Austria, home of Hitler. What do you expect?
Aside from developed white fat Karen nations, people are realizing Covid is just another flu. Novel, and a bit more concerning for it, but less deadly than the Spanish Flu debut by far and already turning into merely a seasonal annoyance for those that encountered it.
Meanwhile "vaccine" efficacy estimates continue to plummet and we're told we need regular boosters to remain among the clean.
Money flavored bullshit.
"less deadly than the Spanish Flu debut by far"
I'm old enough to remember when the "just the flu" bar was Ioannidis' prediction of 10,000 US deaths total.
Now global excess death-derived estimates are over 10M but it's still "just the flu". Has to meet the real bar for non-flu you see, which is the (checks notes) 20-50M killed by the Spanish Flu, maybe the biggest killer since the Black Death. Seems like positively Stalinesque death math.
Go ahead, splutter more invective. It's making everything better.
They are acting as if vaccines do not work.
I wonder if there is a word for these kind of people...
"They are acting as if vaccines do not work."
That is perhaps what you prefer to hear.
"overfilled intensive care stations and enormous human suffering
... There are too many political forces in this country, that have campaigned against [vaccination]"
They are saying (clearly) that the vaccinated can be impacted as well as the unvaccinated if health care systems are overloaded. You can dispute the facts of that (understanding that covid contrarianism tends to be stronger with emotion-oriented vs fact-oriented discussion to date), but it is not "acting as if vaccines don't work".
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