Loki
Even the most powerful cosmic demigod can be foiled by the even-more-powerful machinations of bureaucracy.

One lesson of Loki is that even the most powerful cosmic demigod can be foiled by the even-more-powerful machinations of bureaucracy. The series, a streaming-TV expansion of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), follows the interdimensional adventures of the title character, a cinematic villain so beloved that Marvel's overseers transformed him into a roguish hero.
It would be more precise to say the show follows the adventures of the title characters, since it exists in a world of infinite timelines and thus infinite Lokis. Those timelines—and, eventually, those Lokis—are the raison d'etre for the Time Variance Authority (TVA), which regulates and restricts the timelines, forcing all those diverging paths to converge on what the TVA believes to be the one, true plan. Wherever there is choice, variety, and oddball plenitude, the show seems to say, some suit-and-tie bureaucrats will spring up to manage it in the name of upholding a bland, nondivergent order.
So a version of Loki from the MCU joins up with a female version of himself named Sylvie to overthrow the time bureaucrats—but all doesn't go according to plan. Although they succeed in taking down the agency's mysterious leader, they end up unleashing something wilder, more chaotic, and potentially worse. A beheaded bureaucracy, it turns out, doesn't go away. It just finds a way to infinitely replicate itself.
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Unfortunately the same is true for the woke bureaucracy and its singular focus on regulating storytelling.
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As a young kid who read and collected comics during what they now call the Bronze Age of comics, I was thrilled as an adult when the MCU first brought some of the characters I loved to the big screen. Over time, I was more and more disappointed. The last Marvel movie I went to see, which everyone and their brother and aunt seemed to love, featured fat Thor, near useless Hulk, a dead Iron Man and dead Black Widow. It is the last MCU movie or TV show for me. I won’t do give the MCU or MTVU any more money or even time.
Hell, I won’t even read Marvel anymore unless it’s OLD stuff. For example, understand the latest X-Men arc is an X-Men dinner party that focuses on their fabulous fashions. No thanks.
I knew Disney buying Marvel and Stan Lee dying would kill Marvel. Sorry to see I was right.
An edit button would be a super power around here.
Mankind cannot be entrusted with such power. Only the squirrels have the needed wisdom.
Well, you ain't gonna love this one then...
The trickster god is laid low, repeatedly bested and humiliated by (usually) female antagonists, easily defeated with a single blow. At one point he is trapped in a time loop where an old lover kicks him in the nards... Over, and over, and over....
Rather than an evil would-be world conqueror, this is a bumbling oaf, devoid of any of the traits that made him a foil for Thor.
Loki was never a physical powerhouse and you can't have much of a story if your protagonist starts out on top and never slips or falls. I will say, the 5'8" 160 lb. fat black woman as 'the muscle' did bug me.
Along Inigo Montoya's line of thought, the longer the story went on, the more retarded it became. At the point where *Spoiler alert* lizard (not lizard-man, lizard) Loki makes an appearance, it was just abject nonsense. Why weren't there all sorts of animal variants at the TVA? Did the 160 lb. black woman handcuff the lizard or just carry it back to the TVA? If any given animal, even one with magical powers, can disrupt the sacred timeline, how stable could the timeline possibly be? Like they built a tempral China shop in order for a literal bull to come and smash it. Made the old Star Trek, where virtually all the aliens are humanoid, seem brilliant.
I wasn't big on the comics as a kid, but when the movies first started coming out I enjoyed them. But like you as the movies progressed they lost me.
Some old Marvel was great. Much of it was rubbish. It was Marvel that invented the concept of continuous rebooting of the franchises, and here you are complaining about a reboot. Sigh.
Sounds like the most libertarian comic ever.
The actual message is that the faceless, all powerful shadow government behind the bureaucracy is actually the only thing protecting you from complete chaos and certain doom. Overthrowing the secret bureaucracy leads to all manner of evil... Maybe even Somalia.
It may be the most unlibertarian show in history. It is 1984 told in a world where Big Brother turns out to be the good guy, the only heroic force standing between you and chaotic destruction.
"Authoritarian government claims allowing any additional freedom will result in anarchy. Film at 11"
"Authoritarian government claims allowing any additional freedom will result in anarchy. Film at
11... well, you see, time works a little differently here in the TVA."Yup.
Hiddleston and Wilson were good. Virtually everything else was between C/C- Syfy channel bullshit and complete garbage.
Except no one uses film anymore.
It should be "tape at 11", but they probably aren't using tape anymore either.
It's a bit more nuanced than that. The critical decision is meant to be a dilemma between full repressive authoritarian control or war and chaos, with the implication that either choice was going to be bad. To be fair, no matter where you stand on the libertarian-authoritarian spectrum, the immediate aftermath of flipping a switch from a full authoritarian regime to anarchy is never going to be pretty - See Libya.
Marvel ultimately went with war and chaos, because that's going to set up their next set of movies. Whether this ends up being "libertarian" or "unlibertarian" depends on what resolution ultimately emerges from the chaos.
What I find interesting about Loki is the idea of a one true timeline. We see this idea in a number of SF stories and series. The idea comes up again in the Umbrella Academy. In Dr. Who we have the idea of fixed points in time that cannot be changed.
Now bureaucracies have existed since people first start living together in communities. There is no suggestion of bureaucracies in nomadic groups but once we settled done with agriculture there was the need to define property rights, establish calendars, defense and infrastructure. As societies became more complex the size of the bureaucracies grew. We did not have a great need for road signs when horses were the main method of transportation, but all that changed with automobiles.
The idea of a time bureaucracies make sense if at some point it was possible to time travel. Because if you could time travel you could change history and the time line. It would then make sense that people would want a guarantee that does not happen, would enact laws to prevent timeline change and institute offices to enact and enforce regulations on time change. The bureaucracy is not really faceless it is a reflection of what people want.
The "one true timeline" concept does not make sense. If a multiverse is real, then a one true universe cannot exist. Instead, it's a propaganda piece by one universe and causality to claim itself as the true universe and causality.
It's all rather metaphysical, as none of it is true. But if it were then "one true timeline" would violate the very physics that provided for multiple timelines.
The implications of being able to go back and change history would be great. I am sure it would bring ethical questions of should you change the timeline. That would likely follow-up with laws regulating what you can do with the timeline. People, especially the wealthily and privileged would not like to have things change. If you are Mark Zuckerberg you don't want someone going back in time and inventing Facebook six months before you invent it.
The implications of being able to go back and change history would be great.
No they wouldn't. The history of the timeline you left would progress, otherwise unchanged, without you in it. Your travelling back (and changing things) would create an entirely new timeline with the two being oblivious to one another. The only way there's an implication for the original timeline is if there isn't a multiverse, but a single timeline. Our Mark Zuckerberg wouldn't know nor care if you went to another timeline and invented FB 6 mos. earlier than he would care about the timeline where *he* invented FB 6 mos. earlier. And that Mark Zuckerberg wouldn't care about ours any more than he would care about the other Universe where the Winklevoss Twins invented "Facebook" 6 mos. before that.
The implications of being able to go back and change history would be great.
People go back and forward and change history all the time.
But only they know it. And only THEIR changes.
The only 'people' who see it are the ones that exist outside of durational time. And it doesn't affect them.
Well yes, in Loki the "true timeline" idea is a bit of a propaganda piece, by the winner of a multiversal war who set about to prevent a new multiverse from forming and precipitating another war (one he may not win)
Generally though, the concept of a single "true" timeline, and a multiverse rarely coexist in the same setting. In "true timeline" scifi the protagonists usually take it upon themselves to prevent or undo changes made by an antagonist (Star Trek, Terminator, Back to the Future) and while parallel universes may exist they are usually the result of singular events, and not an infinitively branching tree of different choices
Another version of "true timeline" is the self correcting timeline, we see this in Doctor Who, where attempts to alter fixed points fail in a way where the timeline plays out pretty much the same way it had before. We also see this concept in Final Destination, albeit without the time travel
We did not have a great need for road signs when horses were the main method of transportation, but all that changed with automobiles.
Road signs date back to before the Middle Ages and riding down the left hand side of the road was standard practice for knights who carried a sword in their right hand and mounted their horse from the left. That is, until Napoleon, who was left-handed, decreed riding on the right to be the correct way in all the lands he conquered.
The reason for lack of signage and traffic rules was due to the relatively slow rate of travel and abundance of space. By its precepts, a pan-temporal multiverse negates the need for such regulation, unless jumping to a new timeline destroys the old one (in which case, it's not really a multiverse). The only purpose of such an agency, or even just a small band of crusaders, would be to similarly bring all of space-time under their dominion.
The stated justification on the show was that with a multi-verse free-for-all, the worst version of the worst dictator in all the parallel universes would end up ruling them all. If a good (but wimpy) version of the dictator took over, he would be deposed by someone more ruthless. The best "stable" solution was for a dictator who was "ruthless enough" to lock down the timeline to keep those who were more evil (or less strict about stamping out variants) from taking control.
The idea is older than that.
The theory is that people have free will within normal parameters.
Some key historical figures are protected by the Fates to keep the Timeline intact.
It's why George Washington survived a hail of bullets in the French and Indian War (after which the Indians knew he would have a great destiny.)
It's why Crazy Horse and Custer each had nearly a dozen horses shot out from under them in combat without sustaining any injury themselves, until they met at the Little Big Horn.
It's why you can't go back in time and kill Baby Hitler.
...but when will Loki become gay, bi, or trans?
He is all of the above in this series. Including an alligator.
Even the "original" Loki confesses to having had relationships with both princesses and princes.
Let me guess.
Loki will be the reason the X-Men and the Fantastic Fouyr visit the MCU.
Maybe. We'll never know - they didn't make that show.
Instead we got Hiddleson playing some nebbish loser who ends up losing out to his rule-63 alter. Grrrl-power! amirite!
This has been out for months and only now does Suderman review it? Sounds like somebody needs time travel.
In the other dimensions the review comes out on time.
Though I wonder why someone doesn't travel in time to stop some of the sillier Marvel movies from being made.
Hmm...maybe the time-travellers already killed off some of the silliest movies but missed a few.
At least they never remade Suicide Squad with an even dumber version. Oh, wait....
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