Barely Legal Strippers Now Illegal in Texas
Under S.B. 315, it is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail, to employ 18- to 20-year-olds at any sexually oriented business.

In May, the Lone Star State raised the minimum legal age for working in a sexually oriented business from 18 to 21. Texas sex-shop and strip-club workers responded by suing the state in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas. They argue that adults younger than 21 have a "constitutionally protected liberty interest in pursuing a chosen occupation" and that the "disconnect" between the law's objectives and its minimum employment age is "obvious."
Texas counters that it has "long used age restrictions on employment to reduce young people's exposure to perceived social ills."
Senate Bill 315 redefined 18- to 20-year-olds as children, making it a violation of the state's ban on "employment harmful to children" to employ or induce adults younger than 21 to work nude, topless, or in any "sexually oriented commercial activity." That crime is a second-degree felony, "regardless of whether the actor knows the age of the victim." It carries a two-year mandatory minimum sentence, a maximum sentence of 20 years, and a fine of up to $10,000.
Under S.B. 315, it is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to a year in jail, to employ 18- to 20-year-olds at any sexually oriented business, including adult toy shops and bookstores in nearly any capacity. Such employment could get a business declared a common nuisance, meaning the state can shut it down, issue fines, or even jail the owners.
Since the new law passed, adult businesses in Texas have laid off "droves" of 18- to 20-year-old workers, according to the Texas Entertainment Association (TEA), an organization that represents the interests of sex-oriented businesses and one of the plaintiffs challenging S.B. 315. Kevin Richardson, a TEA member who owns five adult cabarets, told the court he had to lay off more than 700 people due to the new law.
Evanny Salazar is one of the young adults who lost a job after S.B. 315 reclassified her as a child. Salazar "worked at two adult cabarets in San Antonio, Texas, where she earned about $1,000 a night" and did not witness any human trafficking, U.S. District Judge Robert Pitman noted in a July ruling. "Before she worked as an exotic dancer, Salazar was homeless and lived in her car," he wrote. "Her job at the adult cabarets allowed Salazar to obtain housing and cover her living expenses. Since losing her job as an exotic dancer, Salazar has become homeless again and works for Door Dash [sic], where she makes about $30 a night."
Nonetheless, Pitman declined to issue a preliminary injunction against S.B. 315. "Legislative history and testimony…are sufficient to support the conclusion that the State held a reasonable belief that S.B. 315 would serve to curb harmful secondary effects" of sexually oriented businesses, he said. "In contrast, Plaintiffs failed to produce any 'actual and convincing evidence' that S.B. 315 'will not have any positive effect on the identified harms.'"
Among the plaintiffs' jobs are exotic dancing, providing security at a strip club, and working the cash register at a sex shop. Pitman agreed that some of these activities are likely protected by the First Amendment. But he said "the Court does not find that Plaintiffs have met their burden of showing that S.B. 315 is not rationally related to the government's legitimate interest in curbing human trafficking."
"Our clients will continue contesting the validity of this law," says William X. King, an attorney representing the plaintiffs. "The case is far from over."
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I'm sure ENB will be no more mature or intelligent than before.
She does look a lot older.
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That's silly, and hopefully we'll get overturned soon. 18 year old should be treated as adults period. Not keep having this creeping extended childhood pushed on them.
18 year olds were granted the vote because 18 year old men were being drafted and sent to Vietnam. The reasoning was that if they could be sent to die, they should have the right to vote - even 18 year old women who were not and are not subject to the draft. Later, the Feds decided to raise the age for drinking to 21 nationally. Several states had lower legal drinking ages but were threatened with withholding of federal highway funds.
Either 18 year olds are adults capable of making reasoned decisions about voting, drinking, sex, smoking, working, buying guns, signing contracts, and all other adult rights or they are not.
Myself, I think they are not.
And more, some states want to lower the voting age even further. I know I've seen 16 suggested, I think I recall seeing someone demanding 14.
I definitely think that all those things should be firmly tied together. Adult, yes or no. If yes, you get to do everything. If no, none of it.
I can’t say that I was any less of an idiot at 21 than at 18, probably more of one because I thought of myself as officially an adult. It’s funny now how progs especially like to classify anyone under 25 as children because SCIENCE says the brain hasn’t finished developing until the late 20s, yet somehow 14-16 year olds are intelligent enough to vote and lecture world leaders about climate change.
How dare you!
They are kids. Adult should be 25. Look at it this way - the best years of your life are up til about 27 for most people. The longer you can remain a child the better.
Strip clubs only give girls drug money - as evidenced by mrs homeless stripper in the article.
Strip clubs pay with real money. Sometimes the dancers turn it into drug money. Big difference.
Except for the clubs that lay with ‘drug bucks’. Redeemable for narcotics, paraphernalia, and possibly even a back massage.
So what if they do?
If I was king I'd raise to voting age to 30.
If I were king, I'd raise the voting age to 999.
I would raise the voting age to self-supporting and paying net positive taxes.
That too.
Probably a good move for a king.
I’d limit the maximum age for being the President or in the Senate to 70.
The last thread that should exist on a libertarian forum is an "If I Were King..." thread.
I would never take the position, and if somebody forced me, I'd abdicate, clear out my castle, then have it demolished so that no one else could have the position.
You'd have to abdicate last, or you couldn't do the rest.
That too.
Problem is age doesn't matter, there's old people that behave like immature children and vice versa...
Well, you can't keep them preserved in amber for eternity. Eventually, they have to grow up, otherwise, you have a whole society that are wards of either parents or guardians or the State.
This was solely protectionist legislation. The toothless bearded hags and Karens want a)some of that moolah or b)to lecture their drooling pot-bellied pig husbands.
Gotta get rid of the competition
If a young woman barely out of high school cannot get a job grinding her ass into a sweaty 55-year-old man's crotch, she is literally living in The Handmaid's Tale.
#SexWorkIsEmpowering
Ugh, this makes me so angry the more I think about it.
As a left-libertarian feminist, there is only one government regulation of strip clubs I would support — every establishment with 10 or more dancers should have to feature at least one transwoman.
#DiversityAboveAll
Aside from violating the owners 1st amendment right to free association - you know, the one that gets trampled on the most by big-government assholes - I think you left off a few zeros.
I think every establishment with 10,000 or more dancers would be more accurately representative.
#ProportionalRepresentationAboveAll
How the hell does Kevin Richardson have 700 people to lay off between 18-20 at his 5 clubs? He must be the one running the Barrels of Barely Legally Bush Club. Every titty bar I've been to from Houston to Chicago had maybe 2-3 dozen dancers.
This guy wants us to believe he has 4-500 per club.
You aren’t allowing for all the human trafficking going on in the back room.
The law doesn't affect just dancers. It's any employee in any role. Waiter, security, cashier, whatever.
You clearly didn't read the whole article. He had to fire everyone at his clubs who was 18-20. Cashier who collects the cover charge at the door and isn't a stripper? Fired. Guy who sweeps up after the club closes? Fired. Ad nauseum.
I did read the article.
You have clearly not been to enough strip clubs.
Maybe he has big, long kick lines like The Rockettes or The Golddiggers.
The right of free association ended with the signing of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
What is interesting here is that in a God fearing state like Texas, 700 workers are laid off from stripping. I wonder if that could be put as a percentage of total strippers in Texas to know what part of this workforce is younger than 21 years of age.
What is also interesting is that with stripping, abortion, opposition to vaccine mandates, and marijuana legalization in SD we see the idea of government control is more acceptable to Republicans than they have let on. I think that both major parties (D & R) are into more government control than necessary and it is merely different areas were they want more government control.
Opposition to government mandates is an endorsement to government control?
Opposition to Republican mandates is an endorsement for Biden.
When the mandate is literally passed in direct opposition to Biden's mandate, and specifically because of the mandates overreach, yes.
It's not like Abbott or Texas has been trying to ban all vaccine mandates everywhere for decades and Biden's completely-sensible and liberty-loving suggestion suddenly got them over the line.
Dumbass.
Yes I know. When Republicans do mandates its freedom because Republicans. You've made that very clear.
Their hearts are pure. Unlike those awful progressives, who are “truly the world’s most evil people.”
People are to be judged not by what they do, but by who they vote for.
Goddamn, it’s just fucking sad watching you and Mike fluff each other with your retarded bullshit.
You telling me that there isn't a Republican spending bill that Ken wouldn't defend, especially if it was paid for with tax cuts?
Why don’t you two fags go fuck each other and leave the rest of us alone?
No telling businesses they can not mandate is government control. Abbott is no better than Biden.
Wrong.
My, what a persuasive argument.
Ds and Rs both want to over-regulate or ban stuff. A Venn diagram of what they want to control can even have an intersection.
Let the 18-year-olds do everything an old fart like me is allowed to. Ratcheting voting back to 21 would require a constitutional amendment, so that's basically undoable.
‘Both sides’…….. sure. We believe you.
Abbott didn’t drone strike murder an aid worker and innocent children as part of a botched abandonment during a situation that should have been Biden’s focus but was instead ignored.
We can agree this Texas law is wrong. But we will disagree on you conflating it to more than what it is.
Yup. Republican commenters here have even gotten on the left’s “corporations are evil and greedy, and fuck the little guy” bandwagon.
The leftists that they hate can't be the only ones whining about how workers are oppressed by the corporations. That wouldn't be fair.
Real free marketers hate crony capitalism. _Some_ Rs are against that, but nowhere near enough of them. "Anti-corporate" Ds are often for that.
A corporation deciding that its workers need to be vaccinated is not crony capitalism.
A corporation asking the government to pass a mandate is though.
Which has what to do with Republicans celebrating the mandate in Texas because it protects workers from evil employers that would force them to take poison?
Thought is already straightened you out on this subject the other day. Are you really this stupid that you need to be straightened out again already?
But the strip club can’t mandate masking or vaxing on them.
If she was making $1000 a night before, for how long, and why did she not save enough to avoid being homeless after getting fired?
It doesn't say how many nights she worked, its possible she only got to perform one night a week, if even that often.
The article says one owner had to lay off 700 people from 5 clubs, that's 140 people per club so clearly they wouldn't all be working every night
There is zero chance Mr Richardson's numbers are legit unless EVERY employee was between the ages of 18-20 and he owned the 5 biggest clubs in the nation.
It's not just the dancers that had to be laid off, but EVERY employee under 21. That includes servers, bouncers, and the people in the back room making burgers and pizzas or washing dishes. And it's not 140 people working at once. If the place is open for two shifts (afternoon to as far past midnight as the law allows) for 7 days a week, you need about 3 full-time people for every position, so 140 people would be about 40 - 50 working at any one time, more on weekend nights, fewer on week days. And it might be considerably fewer if a large part of that number were strippers who only needed to work a few hours a week.
But even if all the strippers, servers, and dishwashers were teenagers (and except possibly for dishwashers they wouldn't be - most attractive 19 year old women will look even better when they've grown up a little more), this still implies enough employees for a HUGE joint.
This bill stripped Evanny of her livelihood. She went from being topless to homeless.
It's just the tip of the iceberg.
Her tail can provide a couple of pointers to other young women in the same situation.
Can her tail take in a couple of pointers? DAP FTW!
In the immortal words of Charlie Sheen in Ferris Bueller's Day Off: "Drugs?"
It's a foolish law and deserves to be mocked.
But how do you go from making $1000 a night to living in your car?
I'm going to guess that "stripper" and "financial responsibility" are often unassociated concepts.
I'm going to guess that it's more that youth and financial responsibility are often unassociated comcepts.
I know when my business took off in my early 20s I blew a crapload of money before I learned to be more responsible.
I agree here, a fiscally responsible youth is a rarity.
I'm pretty sure most strippers don't work every single night, probably once a week, if that
She only had two marketable skills…which is sad because she is currently in her prime earning years. Those will eventually flop as well.
Well done .... a rare skill!
She must now juggle her options. Maybe ENB will keep us abreast with updates. If not, this story will become a distant mammary.
Juggling typically requires more than two objects, usually balls.
Jug.
True, but that's still only two, unless she's part of the bar scene in Star Wars.
What a boob.
Now, now, let's not start a tit-for-tat.
Shhh! Don't say "Well done." You'll bring out a certain carnivorous hemophile troll. 😉
You forget the human body has seven natural holes, so there is that.
Yes, Chumby. That is one of them. 😉
Two. Breasts. Flop when older.
True. That. I'm just pointing out all of her other option-giving wares, which, by the way also get floppy with age and use.
You know the old saying?: "Roast beef will make you queef."
Her planning for the future is sagging behind her current potential.
all that money is going to 'nursing school.'
Beat me to it. I was going to say the exact same thing, including the scare quotes.
There are no "scare quotes" involved with stripping...unless it's that bath tub scene from The Shining.
You don't actually make $1000 a night. The club gets a cut of your gross, and you might not work more than 1 or 2 nights a week.
So the club, like the stripper, takes something off the top?
Or skim the bottom.
How?
Cuz yer an ignorant hood rat.
In an unrelated story, the nationwide shortage of big rig truck drivers continues as companies are eager to train people as young as 18.
Federally prohibited at the moment. They can do intrastate, but not interstate. It's probably one of the biggest barriers to getting people into the industry for the long term. If people could go into a career like that right out of high school, it would probably keep a lot of them in the field. As it is, HS grads are mostly presented with the "military or college" choice.
And on 2/10 of them can pass the military physical.
At least they could be trained to move containers out of the ports to locations where the containers can then be transferred to other states.
The problem also stems from the idiot liberals in Sacramento who are responsible for 50% of semi tractors being removed from service. So there's that.
Young drivers first need to gain experience for OTR by driving shorter distances more frequently which would mean intrastate. Nothing wrong with that.
You would not want an 18 year old driving 80,000 lbs of semi across country with very little training. It's bad enough as it is.
It's definitely true that intrastate only drivers could help with moving containers, although I'm not sure if that would help much. The bottleneck seems to be getting the containers out of the ports at all because they're at capacity already. There could conceivably be a secondary staging area away from the ports, but the big problem there that I see is that there's nowhere to actually put such a thing. You'd have to go a fairly significant distance from San Diego, Los Angeles, Oakland, or Seattle to get to a place you could put a facility like that.
It would help the next time there was a crisis, but I'm not sure there's much that can be done to get us out of the current one. Possibly some better organization and going 24 hour at the ports.
I'm not sure it's significantly worse to let an 18 year old have the wheel of a 40 ton truck than the older folks going to these 3 week schools now. Possibly, I know I certainly was more inclined to stupid behavior at that age.
It is called "intermodal" transport and Texas has these lots/yards up and down I45 between the coast and Dallas. Trucks and trains carry some freight inland up to 250 miles before breaking into smaller distributed hauls.
Sure, intermodal because the same containers go on ships, trains, and trucks. But we're talking about clearing the backups at the West Coast ports. Well, and the Chicago railyard which also has major delays. I'm not quite sure where you're trying to go with that comment. I haven't heard about any problems at the Texas ports.
The point about intrastate versus interstate driving was in response to the idea of letting 18 year olds drive trucks. Currently, one must be 21 to drive a commercial motor vehicle in interstate commerce.
You floated the idea of "a secondary staging area away from the ports" which already exists.
Ah, no, sorry. I may have been unclear. I was trying to say that creating *additional* areas to do that with would be difficult for the west coast ports. The current problem seems to stem from the fact that there's so much stuff already there, that getting anything out is made more difficult. Especially considering that they keep trying to take more stuff off the ships and set it down in the port. I presume that any secondary staging area that already exists there is having the same problem.
Teamsters union don’t want competition from younger drivers who are willing to work for less pay.
The Teamsters is basically dead these days. Something like 95% of OTR drivers are non-union. I know exactly one driver who is a union member. Sure, that's anecdotal, but still.
Teamsters own the docks though.
That is why the San Francisco port was shut down over the weekend, despite proclamations to the contrary from Washington.
So no docking in San Francisco? Man, I bet there are some pissed off hunks over that way!
Longshoremans Union, I'd think? Or is that part of the Teamsters?
You don't need to be a member of the Teamsters to drive at the port. I've done it, and am not a member. Though I was making a delivery, so maybe that's different.
In San Francisco, they say: "Long? Sure, Man!"
They can do intrastate, but not interstate.
Sucks if you're an 18 year old semi-driver on Rhode Island.
Or Delaware.
Or really, any of those damned postage stamp sized states in the Northeast. Plus, they're all weird shapes, and the same road might wind in and out of several states even between two points in the same one.
Wait, the federal government can require workers be over 21 for a job with no obvious link between age and skills, but this state law might be discriminatory?
How's it unrelated? We're talking about big rigs here too. Also, "lot lizards" need love and money from truckers too, so it is all of a single piece.
Even in a year like 2021 that seems to be a see of bad news, sometimes there is something that warms even the coldest heart. It appears Ken White's DPRK Twitter account has been banned. Years of degrading and humiliating himself shilling for the big social media companies and the big media in general couldn't save Ken from being Twitter purged. Irony as they say is pretty ironic.
The cherry on top of this chocolate Sunday of schadenfreude is that even after being banned, White and the DPRK operators blame their followers for turning them in. The problem isn't Twitter being an awful company that breaks its terms of service and bans accounts arbitrarily. No, the problem is the readers who turned them in. If only Comrade Stalin knew of this injustice.
https://twitter.com/PresidentDawg/status/1450961048366878720
Titties and Beer/Frank Zappa
Wet T-Shirt Night, and Crew Slut /Zappa
"Catholic Girls" and and "Dancing Fool"/Zappa
ILBT - Joe Walsh
FJB - Emmet Dalton
"My Milkshake Brings All The Boys To The Yard"/Kelis.
We're getting closer and closer to saying people are not legally adults in any sense until they're 21.
You can still vote for your favorite tyrants and die in their wars at 18 though, so that's something.
Should just make it 19 for everything, avoid the "high schooler who can buy booze for his buddies" issue.
Dear Commenters
No, strippers do not work one night a week. And they do not earn "$1000 per night." The most attractive, most appealing, hardest working dancers, in a club that attracts men with money, can earn that kind of money on a busy night. That being true, they make dancers work Mondays and Tuesdays - and days as opposed to nights - to get on Friday and Saturday nights. And the money is also seasonal - after Christmas, it dries up for a while.
Don't ask how I know.
So the problem wasn't with the dancer - it was with the writer of this article. Whose Mommy (wife) probably wouldn't let him near a strip club.
What kind of a job do you think a woman can get when her only experience is getting naked? If she was homeless before getting that job, she obviously had issues we don't know about. She may have dropped out of high school. She may be bipolar - through no fault of her own. It wouldn't kill you to grant the assumption of compassion - it costs you nothing to be nice.
This is the Reason comments. Nobody here is "nice." Quite the opposite.
Everyone is nice here, you son of a bitch.
I take all the strippers I meet in the daylight out to lunch.
You don't get rich being a stripper. This much is true. That said, it is better than the alternatives or women wouldn't be doing it.
The other thing that no one ever seems to consider is that people have more than one job. Just because a woman is a stripper on the odd Friday night, doesn't mean she won't have a day job. I would say very few strippers make their entire living as strippers. Stripping is like many jobs in the bar and restaurant industry, often a second job instead of a career. So, if a stripper only has "I dance naked" on her resume, that is her choice.
Is stripping kind of a lousy job? Sure. But there are a lot of lousy jobs. Since when is a job being lousy grounds for banning it?
Strippers never have day jobs. Stripping money is good, and usually under the table. First, there is a type of woman who goes for this kind of gig, and that type isn't the 9 to 5 type. Second, if you are the kind of woman who goes for this kind of gig, there isn't going to be a day job available to you that pays you nearly as well as stripping does. Nutshell - a day job is pointless if you are a stripper.
You conflate snarky comments on a BrickBat post with reality.
One of the things I missed most after 4 years in the Navy was the constant low-level insults. "Yo momma" kind of stuff before its time. Everyone had good thick skins. You could learn something from that.
Hey, how are we going to achieve equity and sustainability and unity unless we are all hypersensitive and become suicidal at the mere mention of anything upsetting?
Earth, please stop triggering me. I am traumatized by the word "upsetting". Please alter your entire use of language to accommodate my feelings.
Hey...I mentioned something about mammary glands and beer by Frank Zappa and it was removed.
So I guess someone's feewings got hurt.
Nope. Still there. 9:02 AM
Which explains why you are one of the commenters here who just doesn’t get what was wrong with Trump’s “mean tweets”. Every time someone repeats the dismissive, right-wing “mean tweets” meme, as you did yesterday, it is a revelation about their own blindness to the role of civility.
You actually remember snark from the day before? And obsess about it the next day? Good grief man, get a grip, get a thick skin, get on with your life. These are Reason comments, not real life!
The “mean tweets” talking point isn’t snark, it’s pure stupidity.
No, it's an intelligent argument. You see, Reason didn't like Trump's tweets, and that means they all voted for Biden. Because they all voted for Biden then they wanted all of his policies to happen and then some. That means they have no grounds to complain, because this is what they wanted. All because of tweets. So anyone who says "mean tweets" is an exceptionally intelligent and nuanced person deserving nothing but admiration and praise.
Plus the endless supply of shrill and Trump articles Reason published daily. That’s ok though. I know better than to expect an honest argument or discussion from you and your pals, like Mikey, Buttplug, and SQRLSY.
Super cool of you to toss around insults and call others names on your thread about someone's supposed "blindness to the role of civility".
One might call it ironical.
But fuck Joe Biden, and fuck you and your brand of civility,
Don’t care what you think. I didn’t start the incivility here.
And fuck Tulpa!
And fuck Tulpa!
So civil.
Still not a thing.
Sure you did. You and your friends slither in here pushing your leftist agenda. You engage in sophistry, sea lioning, and utter dishonesty as you endlessly shitpost and hijack discussions.
So yeah, you started the incivility here.
By the way, I did not call "Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf" names.
I didn’t say anything yesterday, just let it pass. But then you just posted a comment about how you are nostalgic for rude interaction with others. Helps explain how you are one of the people who don’t get the problem with a President who works hard every day to drive political division and hatred among the American people.
none of that happened though so ...
President who works hard every day to drive political division and hatred among the American people.
But enough about SleepyJoe
We do get the problem with that kind of a president. That’s why we all hate Joe Biden. Along with leftists like you.
Fuck Joe Biden!
More cogently, he's completely oblivious to the idea that his obsessing over inconsequential snark is far more insidious and corrosive to civility.
What kind of a job do you think a woman can get when her only experience is getting naked?
You ask this in an ENB article???
ENB articles are referred to as brownies.
She/Her, Sir. It was Elizabeth Nolan Brown who wrote the article.
I am extremely nice, you fucking asshole.
The best looking ones work on Thursday nights. They have boyfriends and go out on Friday and Saturday themselves. Plus all the single guys go to the clubs on Fridays and Saturdays and act like jerks and don't have much cash (since they're single guys). Married men go on Thursdays and have more money and are more respectful. And if you're hot and cultivate a few repeat customers, you can make plenty on Thursdays, even with a smaller crowd.
Or so I've heard.
If ever there was an article that needed more pictures...
Where have you gone, Lobster Girl?
...the nation turns its horny eyes to you...
I actually thought of that line but decided against. 🙂
heck, even X-box girl.
Congratulations to ENB and hubby, and their new son, Dylan!
I thought naming your kid "Dylan" went out with Bush.
At least he's not Aiden/Jayden/Braden or worse, Noah.
Probably named him after Dylan Thomas, whoever that was.
"Rage, rage against the dying of the light!"
You ain't got no culture.
A Simple Desultory Phillipic, by Simon and Garfunkel.
Gag
Of course not. I got them "Talkin' John Birch Society Blues" and "Talkin' World War III Blues." It's hard to fit culture in a bomb shelter!
Umm, 18 isn't "barely legal". Its legal.
Apparently not in Texas anymore...
If they're naked, they're "barely legal."
Can we recognize that the premise of the law, that it is the role of government to protect adults from themselves?
Leaving aside the Puritanical and bullshit conclusion that sex work is somehow bad, if an adult wants to shake their ass for money why should government have a say?
Leaving aside the Puritanical and bullshit conclusion that sex work is somehow bad,
It's neither Puritanical nor bullshit. Smoking tobacco is bad, but shouldn't be banned. Being a rabid, but non-violent, racist is bad, but should not be banned. Drinking to excess is bad, but shouldn't be banned.
It's possible to think something is bad without being wrong or a Puritan. Moreover, being Puritanical or wrong about a concept doesn't make any controverting ideas right or sensible. The idea that women should advocate liberty or their individuality by becoming professional strippers isn't sensible.
The idea that sex work is somehow detrimental to society is both Puritanical and bullshit. There isn't a measurable increase in societal ills in places like Nevada and Amsterdam where prostitution is legal versus places like Alabama where it isn't. The very premise of the law is flawed.
I'm not even saying that it's a good or bad thing, I'm just pointing out that it is a one-two totalitarian punch of a flawed premise being used to restrict personal behavior that isn't hurting anyone else.
You miss the point. An 18 year old is not an adult, it is an arbitrary number that allows for some adult freedoms, notably not drinking though, nationwide, so already we acknowledge that 18 isn't really an adult.
Stripping is easy and good money. Requiring someone to be 21, the age where they can also legally consume alcohol, just gives them a couple more years to mature, and perhaps make better choices.
There are costs to the individual when contemplating using your body to make money, that isn't puritanical, its just a fact.
She clearly is making better choices in the interim now that she is banned from stripping.
There are costs to doing anything to make money. I was US director of marketing for an Italian company as they entered the US market. One year I was on the road 180 days. Imagine the stress that put on my relationship. But I made a shitload of money. And eventually it wasn't worth it any more, so I resigned. And every decision was mine. No government told me what was right or wrong for me.
There are pros and cons to any work. But paternalistic moralizing by strangers about which ones are "good" and which ones are "bad" is bad enough. Legislating it is just plain awful.
Then the 18 year olds should just go straight to shooting porn.
Sure, if they want. A successful porn star makes a crapton of money. No reason not to, if they choose it for themselves.
But the government definitely doesn't belong in the decision.
So you’re against government mandating porn shoots for 18 year olds?
Obviously.
The increase in societal ills in Nevada is mostly due to gambling.
Stripping isn't even "sex work". It's performance art.
Doesn't that just make the 21 year olds the ones that are "barely legal" now?
Yes it does. And they go from barely legal to MILF in like a year
And they go from barely legal to MILF in like a year
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but I think you're raising somebody else's kids.
One could then surmise that 18 year olds cannot legally sign or enter into a contract. Such things like credit cards, car rentals or renting an apartment would have to be signed by their parent(s).
An 18 year old would then revert to second class citizenry.
However, that may be a good thing for most 18 year olds as they do not have the emotional maturity nor the life experiences an older person would have.
I don't think there are laws against renting cars, just policies by companies. I know 18-year-olds can rent apartments, at least here in Delaware.
Credit cards may be a different thing, since credit card companies got in hot water several years ago for recruiting teens to apply for cards and then giving them unjustifiable credit limits to suck them into the high-interest debt trap. But I'm not sure if it is actually against the law.
You are correct. Car rental polices are based industry actuarial data. Not government regulations. As it should be.
Texas needs a peephole loophole.
power to the peephole
It's only a loophole if you stick your pee-pee in the hole.
Then Beulah Balbricker might be tugging on the other end. Yikes!
Tony is the resident expert on glory holes. He mans one in the evenings.
I suspect some state senator found out one of his relatives or maybe even one of his family members was involved in this occupation. Not that anything like this has ever happened.
However politicians can get wrapped up with scandals involving strippers:
In 1974, Congressman Wilbur Mills was involved with a stripper ,Annabelle Battistella aka Fanny Foxe/Tidal basin Bombshell which led to a number of very embarrassing incidents including her leaping from the Democrats congressman's limo into the Tidal Basin. It proved to be the undoing for this congressman.
Earl Long and Lolita Davidovich
In any other state people would just drive across the state lines to get their lap dances. But in Texas that could be a two to six hour drive! So gotta make do with aging MILFs instead of SweeTarts.
My favorite highway sign in the US is on I10 West. Crossing the Sabine river from Louisiana into Texas you are greeted with a notice that Beaumont is only 20 miles ahead and El Paso is just a short 850 miles up the road.
I usually only drive in and out of Texas at the Eastern border, I wonder if they have a sign like that coming East from New Mexico.
There's one at the West end of 40 in Barstow that gives the mileage to the other end of it in North Carolina.
My recollection is that Jewish law makes a child an adult at 13.
Could this law be in violation of the first amendment? "Establishing" Christianity/Puritanism as a state religion in opposition to Judaism?
(lawyers gotta eat)
Since ancient religious law is not constitutional law, I'm going to say no.
That ignores the fact that both ancient and contemporary beliefs are (supposed to be) protected by the Constitution.
No, the Constitution is supposed to protect Individual Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property, not ideas of any kind.
To be fair, it does seem to conflict with the Establishment Clause if the First Amendment. But I can't imagine such things haven't been adjudicated in almost 250 years.
Any ConLaw folks able to chime in on precedents for religious tenets like this, or Rastas using pot, or other religious practices that conflict with secular law?
Does "sex work" include legislative aide/staff work?
Because they sure as hell help the politicians fuck us over.
Fuck Joe Biden
For most of them, yes, apparently.
How exactly is this supposed to combat human trafficking?
It seems more like an attack on adult oriented businesses, their employees and customers.
Of course, my most recent interaction with a group of Texans was listening to them push back against a workplace vaccine requirement because no one can explain why "the injection sites become magnetic" and that of course requiring them is communism. So, rational thought isn't really high on their priority list.
It increases human trafficking by making a legitimate option illegal.
go take a bullet! but leave your shirt on.
I see the problem. Plaintiffs must prove the usurpation "will not have any positive effect on imaginary bugbears." Actual proof that the the "law" already has caused all sorts of harm is not speculation and therefore is irrelevant. Not to worry though. S.B. 316 riding its coattails will make it illegal for pretty young ladies, latinos and black people ages 18 to 20+364 days to register to vote in Texas. This is because Texas Democrats buying up their votes would morally be the same thing as human trafficking and needs to be crushed underfoot.
Fuck Joe Biden
Watching you morons struggle to hate Joe Biden is incredibly amusing. You just can't get a hook in, can you?
This story having nothing to do with Joe Biden, don't you worry you risk looking insane?
Apparently, there are a whole bunch of right-wingers who have nowhere else to go online, so they gather here each day to signal to each other with content-free comments. It's basically a bunch of frogs croaking at each other to let each other know they are still alive and hanging out in the pond.
Oh, yeah, and fuck Tulpa!
Watching you morons struggle to hate Tulpa is incredibly amusing. You just can’t get a hook in, can you?
LEAVE BIDEN ALONE!
Not at all what he said.
“Mr. Zemari Ahmadi and others who were killed were innocent victims who bore no blame and were not affiliated with ISIS-K or threats to U.S. forces.”
DoD statement admitting Biden’s botched drone strike that killed Ahmadi and several other innocent people including children.
Ahmadi had worked with Nutrition and Education International for years, providing care and lifesaving assistance for people facing high mortality rates in Afghanistan.
Biden should get an award for this. And be allowed an extra nap.
What does that have to do with strippers in Texas?
Ask Tony.
Trump killed civilians with drones at an unprecedented clip, a campaign promise he fulfilled. You just didn't hear about it because you consume right-wing hate media instead of news.
Way to chaff and redirect a war crime. Disgusting. Tell us about how the Allies bombed Dresden when discussing the Shoa.
Tony would be surprised to compare the 1986 Joe Biden with the 1930 - 1962 Harry Anslinger and find out they were one and the same ideological creature. Even Saint Shrillary promised, like Holy Father Obama, to keep sending men with guns to shoot, rob and cage hippies, latinos and brown people over plant leaves--until after The Don got the job. Now she and Tony splutter about former-communist conspiracies and how "we wuz robbed!"
Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden
I think you meant "Lets go Brandon"
I actually think this law will harm the fight against Human Trafficking. Anything that sends things under the tables or makes it harder for struggling women to find legitimate work pushes them towards the fringe and makes them more susceptible to being used.
Also, let's pick an age and go with it on the whole adult thing. My daughter that graduated from college at 20 was considered old enough to run a large federal grant program at her new job but not old enough to strip according to this law.
Yes, but to be fair federal grant money is not real money.
So, old enough to subsidize others to strip, but not to strip herself? My sympathies.
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The problem is no matter where you set the age, a person is a kid one day, and an adult the next.
I am going to open a strip club with the name:
Barely Legals.
But I will only have 18 to 20 year old strippers that may or may not be illegal immigrants.
I want the name of my club to reflect potentially more than one aspect of my cash paid strippers.
Wow, really? Why would you hire over 18, come on now.
Join the military at 18. Sign a contract at 18. Get drafted at 18.
But you're not old enough to drink or strip until you're 21.
And they want to lower the voting age to 16.
If they can't strip at 18, chances are that girls who are used to making a grand a night will pursue illegal employment that pays similarly.
I think that every hooker or stripper who's ever been paid by a politician should say so, and name the hypocrities.
-jcr
Or maybe not be able to be employed by a politician or government until age 21 since those are far seedier than dancing without clothing.
I work in a high school, believe me, an 18 year old is far from an adult. No one seems to see a problem with stopping 18 year olds from buying liquor because they make such sh*itty decisions at that age, so puh-lease give me a break y'all. It isn't about puritanism, it is just a way to stop a kid from making a potentially poor life altering decision at a vulnerable age. If a girl really wants to strip her ass is gonna be just as tight at 21.
If you think that there is an appreciable difference between 18 and 21 regarding wise decsion-making, you are kidding yourself.
So - what thirty then??
The truth is some kids make great decisions at 16, and some adults in their 40's still don't. We can't protect everyone from themselves forever, but we gotta draw the line somewhere...
For the record, I opposed raising the drinking age to 21 when Congress didit back in the Eighties and I still oppose it. Either the 10th Amendment means something or it doesn't. And either age 18 is adulthood or it isn't.
Also, raising the drinking age is precisely what created the college binge drinking craze that has spread throughout higher education ever since the Eighties. Far from encouraging good decision-making, raising the drinking age has made childhood increasingly perpetual.
Then don't send them to bar or try them as adults either.
"If a girl really wants to strip her ass is gonna be just as tight at 21." Don't count on that. This is also prime getting-pregnant age for those in the cohort who would strip.
IDK about you but I know plenty of adults some twice my age that always make terrible decisions, are completely immature and are just vulnerable in general. At the same time some young people can be incredibly mature and I mean their mind. There are so many avenues for a young woman to use her body to make money, I think stripping is prob the safest one. She could just go do porn or OnlyFans so telling a young adult they can't strip doesn't seem wise to me.
how does this stop/limit sex trafficking? These WOMEN were making LEGAL money and did so at THEIR CHOICE. Strippers have nothing to do with sex trafficking nor do legit businesses...criminals don't obey laws, why do libtards keep forgetting this? these kinds of laws ONLY hurt law abiding people. If this law stays in place then drinking/smoking and military service must not be allowed for anyone under 21 from here on out...no drafts or service allowed under 21. Oh and you can't sign legal documents either nor be tried as an adult for any crime. No double demoncrap standards
Because the libtards and the Bible thumpers can agree on this one, because it's "for their own good".
18 is the age you can be sent to war or be sentenced to death. But in case you want to do anything you enjoy, you aren't an adult until you are 21. Obviously this is insane.
Regardless of when a State defines a person an Adult, the State should be required to treat the person uniformly by that same age. So if Adult is defined as 21 year then the right to vote, drink should also be 21, but also the responsibilities of the person, so they should be charged as a minor, not have a responsibility to pay taxes or signup for the draft.
Personally, I don't have a dog in the fight and feel that individual States should be free to set the date differently. However I feel that 17 - 19 seems right to me.
If these 20 year old children break the law, they are treated as adults. Funny how that works.
I don't know but today's 18 year old is a 14 year old.
You have a point there for certain!
We have separated reality and it's consequences from our young people to the point that fail to be properly instructed.
"Life is such a great teacher - that if you don't learn the lesson, it will be repeated!"
Better to learn this early...
18 year olds can die in a war for us, but they can't strip for us. Makes no sense.
They've been complete sluts since about 12. Should be able to strip at about 15.
But 18 - 20 is when they are in their prime. After that it is all downhill. . .
tattoos, stretch marks, meth mouth, etc.
Dancing at a club is better than making money through alternatives like OnlyFans. Everything they do will be uploaded to porn sites by some pervert for anyone to discover. Your mom could have been a stripper back in the day and you'd never know, but if your mom was on OnlyFans it would just take one wrong click… Scared for life. Besides, pole dancing is good exercise and that's something our country is in dire need of.
But she could make far, far, far more money on OnlyFans than at a strip club. It's possible to make hundreds of thousands of dollars per month up to millions of dollars per month.
With that kind of money, it doesn't really matter whether she is revealed as a sex worker later, so long as she manages the money well, because the wealth itself commands even respect to cancel out the stigma of being sex workers.
But they can still do unpaid internships, right?
What is the legal definition of age relating to being an adult?
Is it 21? Apparently feather-brained people think no one should be able to have a beer until that age. It is all right to die for your country at 18, but lord forbid we let them drink a beer . . .
So it is all right to enlist at 17. It is all right to be drafted at 18. In some cases in rural areas it is all right to have children at 15. If the parents give consent. In some court cases a 17 year old convicted of an adult crime can be jailed with hardened criminals.
So a person cannot dance and take off their clothes until they are 21. But the opposite sex can be drafted, sent off to a combat zone and possibly killed at 18?
The problem I have with that is you are either considered an adult or you cannot draft anyone until they are 21 as an adult.
By the way, that draft law is unconstitutional based on equal opportunity. You cannot under current law draft anyone without taking away the sex clause of the draft law as it currently stands.
Otherwise it is also a tax forcing young people into a position where they are without rights. The vaccination schedule of the military alone is not voluntary. The wages are not compatible with the inflation of the times. And the four year voluntary contract has inadequate means of promotion sticking someone at poverty level for six months at a time as promotion boards in the military often only promote once every six months.
A wage currently of an E4 or an E5 is unlikely in four years. That would be what it would take to make it equal to a civilian wage of someone of similar skill levels.
Sticking someone with a rush to engagement gene altering vaccination is against international law we as a nation signed off on in 1945.
Taking one's clothes off in an entertainment industry is voluntary. People do it in other countries like in South America as an art form.
I do suggest a minimum of a covering of any sexual organs as a limit. But depending on where you are there are cultural differences dependent often on climate as to whether or not female breasts are considered taboo. Go to any beach in the south to see some ridiculous bathing costumes. And that is both male and female people exhibiting.
Until we stop all adult entertainment, these people are just doing what it takes to make a living. Government firing anyone in private industry is crossing a line.
Hate to be a party pooper of the right, but politicians need raise the minimum age of voting & selective service to 21, otherwise it is a violation of the equal protection clause like prohibiting alcohol or tobacco use from 18-20 really is. All adults are equal but some are more equal than others?
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Meanwhile you can get your legs blown off in some god forsaken hole fighting for corporate and political interests at the tender age of 18. (17 if you get parental permission!)
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